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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 75 — AI Singularity? National Security Gay-gency? Luigi the Loverboy
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Charlie Kirk
Hey, everybody. What is the fascination behind Luigi Maggione? We discuss on the Thought Crime panel. Also artificial intelligence. Positive, negative, scary. Is it a demon? And more. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. Get involved with TurningPoint USA@tpusa.com that is tpusa.com, so start a high school or college chapter today@tpusa.com email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk. com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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Jack
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country.
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Charlie Kirk
He's done an amazing job building one.
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Jack
Of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
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Blake
It's a good week.
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Charlie Kirk
That's a good trio, those three.
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Blake
Oh, for sure.
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Charlie Kirk
I don't think we should push the boundaries beyond that. So, nsg, what's going on here?
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Blake
Alrighty. So this is the latest big release from Chris Ruffo over at the Manhattan Institute. There's some sort of whistleblower within, in the nsa, one of our big intelligence agencies. They're the ones who handle signals intelligence. So they monitor the Internet, they intercept phone calls. They were supposed to do it abroad, but after 9, 11, you know, in the name of national security, they had to have authority in the US too. But anyway, so they have these. They have an intel agency kind of internal chat room that they get to use. And it's Supposed to only be for work reasons, but of course, in the age of dei, you can't have a thriving workplace unless. Unless you have your LGBT affinity room chat discussion area for employees. And so someone's just started leaking what they were saying in their affinity chat room, and Rufo has been releasing it. So let's look at some of these. We have some. It's really just far ranging. You have people talking the specifics about sex change surgeries they've ever undergone. They talk about polyamory and, like, what the definitions of it are. They celebrate when people they, like, they don't, like, die like Pat Robertson. They spike the football about it. And they talk about, like, being hermaphrodites and how it's a. It's a good thing to be. And they also talk about zapping their buttholes with lasers. That's one of the lines they do.
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Charlie Kirk
You're ruining. But we're supposed to read them.
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Blake
Okay, that's fair. That's fair.
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Charlie Kirk
Now. So help me understand. This is on government devices, government computers during work times. This is taxpayer funded. And so these are trannies that are, like, discussing their private sex changes on these chats. How do we. How did we learn about this?
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Tyler
The craziest part about the whole thing, Charlie, is that it's like they're enabled to, like, be pushed to the front of the line to talk about this. They've created an environment where it's like, this is where it's.
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Jack
It's.
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Tyler
It's cultivated.
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Blake
Yeah, it's like what they. I think he has a quote in the article where they basically said that, you know, being an affirming, like a DEI environment is not just mission critical, but like mission mandatory or something. They. They have a very bizarre quote along those lines. They. There's one. Let me see if I can find this one. Oh, wow. This is. This is a great one. An intersex birth would be a great opportunity to raise a kid as non binary and let them choose later or not choose at all. And none of these things mean that their gender wasn't a socially constructed identity. Intersex is where, of course, they have, you know, male and female features. So.
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Charlie Kirk
So, I mean, I guess. Can we all agree that trans people that are trans should not serve in the intel services?
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Blake
So that's where this is. That gets crazy. We'd be so. Or where it gets frightening, I should say, because this is the nsa. So these are people who are good with computers. They're kind of like hackers. Hacker types, basically, is who we're hiring here. And the comorbidity between people who are into that, like, being a top hacker more or less, and being transgender, is disturbingly high. So I'm inclined to agree with you.
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Tyler
But it totally makes sense.
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Charlie Kirk
The hacker trans world has a lot of overlap.
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Blake
Yes, tons. Especially at the top.
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Charlie Kirk
So you're exempt from this because you're, like, chronically online and definitely not trans. So. But, like, the chronically online tend to be, like, more autistic, more fringy, more, like, willing to be captured by social contagions. I think they have less antibodies against bad ideas. Is that fair to say?
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Blake
I think it's that, but I think it's not just bad ideas. It's. I think it's not really studied because it's one of those things where, you know, it was all supernatural and, you know, they were born that way, so we can't study it. Honestly, what I think is it's probably. If they're on the spectrum, as they say, they're probably. They probably have the one. That whole phenomenon where they describe dysphoria as being, like, uncomfortable in your own body. A ton of people on the spectrum are like that. You know, they're super. They're super sensitive. They have a sensory overload. Their clothes make them uncomfortable. They can't wear, like, jewelry. All of that makes them uncomfortable. Yeah. And so you can take that and say, oh, wow, that. That's body dysphoria. You're not comfortable in your body. And then I think they're probably also much more prone to that, like, the abstraction of their identity. So think about what you can do in modern video games. You can design your own character.
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Tyler
Oh, yeah.
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Blake
I think they're much more likely to basically imagine I can do that to myself. Like, I can actually. I'm really the character I made in this video game on the Internet, Jack.
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Jack
Well, before, you know, as a guy who was in the intel community before this, you know, I was there when the, you know, this was kind of, like, starting to seep in. But let's go through the story itself a little bit more, because this. It's crazy that this is actually. This wasn't like, some disclosure, by the way. This is, you know, Tulsa Gabbard just got in his dni. Radcliffe is over at CIA. But this is actually a source that leaked all of this to Chris Rufo, if I have that correctly.
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Charlie Kirk
I think so. I think that is right. And so I guess the question is, for some people in the audience, Jack, do you have any. I mean, you served in the intel services. And you're not trans and not gay. So Jack, help me understand how trained I made it. How tranny is our intel services? More interestingly, what percentage of people in the NSA are trans since it's very hacker focused, very computer.
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Jack
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
So I mean, it's not sarcastically. I mean, is it the tranniest of all of government agencies?
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Jack
No, it's actually correct. And so this, this also coincides with how a lot of. And, and Blake, I know you and I have chatted about this in the past about how like the LGBT community took over sort of the, the geek world. So when I was in NSA was known for like, this was your geeks. The guy at the NSA is like poor social skills, low soft skills. These are your people who would do actual larping, as in they would like do live at, hold live action role plays at the Fort Fort Meade in the cafeteria there, you know, or like on. On, you know, work events. You know, they're going to the D.C. area Renaissance Fair and they're holding live action role play, like big Lord of the Rings kind of stuff. And again, like, I'm dating myself because my experience was it's been almost a decade since I've been out, you know, give or take. But that's kind of was the bleeding edge of it when I was there is. So it was the. It was totally taken over by the geek squad. And that very same space has a lot of overlap as well with the LGBT community. This comes in through Tumblr. It comes in through TikTok now these days. And so you have this huge. And a lot of it, Charlie, exactly as you're laying out, by the way, comes from being super online. And so when I was getting out, I remember across the intel community it was this huge push for. They would call it allyship. You know, you have to be a, you know, an ally. You have to put up the flag, especially if it's pride month. You have to put up like your little ally sticker. And I would say, like, well, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm like a, like a traditional Catholic. Like, we don't really, like, you know, we have issues with that religiously. Like, that's comes into contact with, you know, comes into conflict with. With our belief system. So. So I'm, you know, I'm just not going to do that and, but I'm not going to like, sit there and and you know, try to convert people to Catholicism either. I'm just going to actually like do my job. And, and more and more, you saw the standup of these agencies and offices, which we now come to know as dei, and the LGBT offices that have now devolved even further and further into this. So I basically, Charlie, I guess I would have to say my basic thesis is that it seeps in through geek culture and how that was totally taken over by LGBT in the 2010s.
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Charlie Kirk
So let's go a step further. I think that there is a, an interesting connection with how many trans people become helicopter pilots. Have you noticed this?
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Blake
This is a very real thing.
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Charlie Kirk
And I think that I've done some thinking about it. I think it's because there's some sort of like exoskeleton that is around you when you're in, when you're a helicopter.
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Blake
Pilot, do they become helicopter pilots or do helicopter pilots become trans?
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Charlie Kirk
No, but there is something philosophical and ideological where let's say you're a man who thinks you're a woman, and you then can assume kind of complete control of something that is not yourself and like the, almost like it attaches to your being. Is that making any sense?
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Blake
It is a little bit. It's definitely.
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Charlie Kirk
It is a real power. Am I making this up?
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Blake
Pilots do it, obviously. Some, like ultra masculine athletes do it. And yeah, you get these like, you know, these kind of adventurer types, like, I'm gonna go fly a helicopter, I'm gonna fly small planes, I'm gonna. Sometimes you have very hard driving businessmen come out and say, like, actually I knew I was a woman on the inside the whole time. Couldn't you tell when I was, you know, doing my hard charging business career and all these other masculine interests. Another thing that's interesting that overlaps with the NSA hacker thing. It's not widely known, but so many major online spaces, you get sort of these like transgender shock troops move to take them over. So, for example, Reddit, the most soy website in the world, moderators on Reddit, there's a ton of transgender, there's like a cabal of transgender people who are the moderators of a ton of major subreddits. And so they could, for example, after Elon Musk did the, you know, my heart goes out to you thing, they, they organize this extremely systematic. Get Twitter banned, get Twitter links, X links, I should say X links banned from Reddit on all these things. Totally coordinated. They did the true, Totally fake.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, this was. The trannies were the ones that helped organize Delete Uber. Do you remember Delete Uber early on in the Trump administration. Do you guys remember this. It was huge. Where, like, because of all of the immigration protests, it was all driven by like 10 trans activists on Reddit. They were really good at it. Like, really good at it.
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Blake
Another big one, Wikipedia. Wikipedia is much worse now than it was 15 years ago. And a lot of it is there are super users on Wikipedia who their entire life is just obsessively trying to police whatever articles they've taken over. Very disproportionately. Transgender on that one. It's a real thing. And what is especially concerning when we talk about should this be allowed at the NSA, independent of what they're posting here, a very real trend, a trend that we have to be honest about is the thing that is very creepy with a lot of transgender people is it eventually entirely takes over their personality and they are incredibly hostile towards anyone who's impinging on this identity of theirs. It's like the term you'll run into is tranisseries. Like they are shock troops for this ideology in terms of how obsessed they are. And it gets more and more and more extreme. And so I think I would not be surprised if we're going to see more like transgender shooters in the future. People really whipped up and radicalized by this.
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Jack
We just. Blake, we. We literally just had a transgender serial killer cult where, which involved, by the way, a number, a number of hackers where they just got arrested, I think in like Western Maryland, out where Tim Pool, I guess he used to do a show out of there. And of course, they don't cover it that way. The Zizians. And this was a huge group that was conducting transgender fueled, slash vegan fueled violence and murder across the country for years. And yet this is something that, like, the true crime community is never going to talk about. It's something the mainstream media is not going to talk about. They'll say stuff like, oh, they were. I think I caught the USA Today headline when it was out. I took a picture of it. It said there was an odd twist. There was an odd twist when they. When they captured the members of the cult. An odd twist that they were all vegan transgender radicals. Just. Just an odd twist though the mainstream media. But. So if you actually study this, it does go back to, you know, it's like Norman Bates, right? It's something that. It's. It's something that Hitchcock would talk about where, you know, there. There clearly is a key issue fundamentally, which of course, dysphoria is a mental issue. It clearly is a mental issue. And it was in the DSM until very recently that can generate these types of feelings. And so that's one of the reasons why there was that. There was that trans individual that was arrested at the Capitol who came in with Molotov cocktails and a loaded 9 millimeter and was going to kill Scott Bessant during his confirmation hearings, but originally wanted to target Pete Hegseth. Why? Because Pete Hegseth was pushing and I think at this point has signed now the trans ban in the military. And so they view that as Blake exactly are saying this, this direct attack on their identity. And so when you listen to their, their chat rooms or you listen to their, their writings and you see this in some of these trans killers in their suicide notes, they'll say we had to do this because the world was after us. We had to respond. Violence was the only answer because they really do view it as an, as a direct ph on their identity.
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Tyler
Well, here's what's crazy to think about. And we were talking before the show a little bit about how the intelligence community recruits and, and most of it's, I mean we've seen this like in big organizations at Turning Point, for example, there's certain personality types that fit into certain jobs. And you have to wonder, I mean, not wonder. It's pretty obvious that the opening of the gay agenda within government and just the lgbtq, you know, especially with the trans community, this is kind of, you have to assume it's pushed people who are mentally ill trans into these jobs, these very important jobs. And how crazy is it? I mean you just brought up like the, the masters of Reddit and Wikipedia, who are the people who oversee everything. I mean these are basically the same types that are overseeing all the confidential information, all the, the gatekeeping that happens within the intelligence communities. And now they're basically. Those are the only, those are the only jobs they can fulfill.
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Blake
More than a decade ago, Snowden said they had all these cases of, they called it like love it, where NSA employees were abusing their powers to basically spy on people they were interested in.
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Tyler
Oh yeah.
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Blake
Now imagine how insanely abusive you could get if you're a, you know, politically radicalized person of that proclivity.
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Tyler
Opening the door to these, these personality types though, is basically shoving them into these very important jobs which that, I mean you gotta, you gotta address that.
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Blake
Sensitive like espionage related positions to people who as their core identity are powerfully.
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Tyler
Delusional and they have no other opportunity. They have to go into these jobs because they can't be front facing civilian jobs. They can't be military esque jobs within the intelligence agencies. They have to go into these dark rooms behind the scenes where nobody sees them like the personality type that Charlie's describing. So it's basically this entire channel and by gay ifying the entire government more has made basically open the door to the entire trans community taking over maybe the most important, most critical, most sensitive element of intelligence.
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Charlie Kirk
I don't know that. I mean, I don't want to overly generalize, but I'd say that narcissistic personality and trans overlaps.
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Tyler
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
And would you say that's true narcissism and trans.
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Blake
Oh for sure, for sure. Oh yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
And in politics there's a lot of. It's all narcissism.
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Tyler
Oh yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
And so therefore you see a lot of that represented. But can we all agree on thought crime that people that are afflicted by the trans ideology have no place in the military or the intel services? That's, Would that, would that stand up in an executive order? The intel services. 1.
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Blake
Intel services. It would probably be tough given the.
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Charlie Kirk
Military has stood up.
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Blake
Military it stood up because I think the President basically has special commander in chief. He could do whatever he wants, more or less.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Blake
But intel services, they're technically civilian and you just run into.
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Charlie Kirk
Are they technically civilian though?
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Tyler
I don't know, part military, part Civilian, like, it's majority.
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Blake
I feel like it's enough. My guess is it would just.
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Jack
There's overlap.
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Charlie Kirk
Everyone's talking, Jack. So. So explain to me how if you are intercepting communications that might have to do with the Ayatollah Khamenei, that is civilian. Explain that to me, because it just.
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Jack
Has to do with the way that it's scheduled. So you could be civilian. However, the NSA is. Is directly on. Is directly a service component that works with dod. So you've got. I'll put it this way. You've got a mix of civilian and DoD that are working together. So, like, for example, I was Navy Intelligence as a civilian, but I was also working with people who are in the Navy in. In uniform. So you've got. And the NSA is, of course, under the Department of Defense, but it's got civilians who work there as well. So it's. It's. Yeah, it's a little bit of both. You've got your civilian, like, GS employees, but you've also got military. You've got military authorities because they're a duty agency, as well as uniform military soldiers that are, you know, like, conducting the actual cryptological work of, as you say, intercepting, you know, the ayatollahs or, you know, the Russians or the Chinese or whoever it is.
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Charlie Kirk
So the. That makes sense. I got it. But let's kind of take a step back or a step to the side here, Blake. Should there be other restrictions for trans people of working in our government in period?
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Blake
I mean, it's our.
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Charlie Kirk
And is that constitutional?
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Blake
It gets tougher. I mean, I don't think we want to say, like, just because a person is, you know, delusional or nuts, they're not allowed to have any kind of job.
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Jack
But.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I mean, let's play this out, though. I mean, hold on. If someone is bipolar schizophrenic and starts, like, screaming in their workplace, you could make an argument that person should not serve at the Department Interior.
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Blake
You could. But what if they're just, you know, I guess if they're just a perv.
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Charlie Kirk
Basically, like, I'm asking a question. Should trans people be allowed to serve in the federal government?
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Tyler
I'm a hard. No. And it's just the simple, like, the explanation that we've. We've all been talking about. Just like, we have to diagnose this as mental illness, and that's what it is. And you have to live by just a very black and white. If you're mentally ill, you shouldn't serve the People. And it's the same thing. This is just. This is where I'm at. And this. Look, there's a place where people can decide this, and that's by electing them. That's the beauty of the republic.
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Charlie Kirk
Like Delaware.
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Jack
Yeah.
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Tyler
If you're mentally ill enough, you have a community of mentally ill people that want to elect someone to represent you that's mentally ill. Great. Be my guest. That's your way to serve. But you shouldn't be able to simply be able to have somebody that's not mentally ill fall for this trap that we just saw for the last four years where you basically put at the highest level mentally ill people. And then basically you have the. Again, the patients running the insane asylum. And that's where we were at the last four years. This is why we're in such a bad spot. So it's got to be a hard yes or no, in my opinion.
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Charlie Kirk
All right, I think we have. Jack, do you. Would you like to increase the temperature of thought? Crime here or bring it down? You have a choice here. Fork in the road.
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Tyler
Increase, increase, increase.
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Jack
I mean, gender dysphoria again. Gender dysphoria is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
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Charlie Kirk
Not anymore. Not anymore.
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Tyler
Before the insurance companies.
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Charlie Kirk
DSM 4 it is, but not DSM 5. Sorry to.
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Jack
You know, I think gender dysphoria is still in four. I think it was gender disorder in four.
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Charlie Kirk
Let me ask.
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Blake
I think they have gender dysphoria. And then the cure, of course, is that you get.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I think they got rid of the term altogether. Let me say. I'm asking my perplexity. No, you're right, it is there. But what is. What did I read in some book? Keep going, Jack. I'm not trying to. Oh, yeah. So it changed from the SM4. It changed the term as a disorder to just gender dysphoria. So let me just be clear.
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Jack
Yes, it was gender disorder.
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Charlie Kirk
Gender identity disorder. It is no longer a disorder. So they consider it a thing. But there's nothing wrong with you. Does that make sense?
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Jack
So I guess for the insurance. Yeah. So for the insurance you have to be in the DSM as something, so to say, obviously, but there's nothing wrong with this.
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Charlie Kirk
But you need insurance.
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Jack
But politically speaking, right.
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Charlie Kirk
They.
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Jack
You know, for political purposes, they've. They've to say nothing's wrong. But again, you're still in the Manual of Mental Disorders. So if you're in the Manual of Mental Disorders, should you be. Are you the type of person that should be given access to this level of information. Are you the type of person that should be allowed a Yankee white, and you can go around the president or have access to the PDB and all of these different things? And this is a serious question that should actually be asked again, given their own inclinations about the things that they've said regarding their disorder with identity. It's. It's right there. And so this is something, by the way, which used to come up on the SF86. It used to be something that would be asked on the polygraph, all of which was taken away from the intelligence services, all of which was taken away from the military. But it used to be a very obvious question. Look, at the end of the day, these services are not made for gender experimentation and social experimentation. The. The purpose of the IC is to protect people and give indications and warnings of when our country is about to be under attack or US Interests are about to be under attack, or somewhat something. They're. Which of the. These are the same. This is the same intelligence community that. That we are told had no idea that Thomas Matthew Crooks was about to climb on a roof and take pot shots of President Trump and kill Corey Compatori. The same intelligence community that got so many things wrong over the years. And so, no, we. We shouldn't have to cater to every social interest or mental disorder that's out there when it comes to the intelligence community or when it comes to military. And it's really as simple as all that.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, let's go to Luigi.
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Blake
All right. Okay. I want to read one last quote from them just because it was so amazing. This is one of the ones from the NSA chat. Hi. It. It's user here. That's their pronouns. They're an it. While I understand we can make some people uncomfortable, keep in mind that the dehumanizing aspect, either A doesn't apply or B is a positive effect when we're requesting it. Smile. Emote. Yeah. Totally sane person. Okay.
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Jack
Yeah.
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Blake
Ban them. Kick him out. All right, there we go. Now we're on to Luigi. All right, so this is an amazing story that just happened. So obviously we've got Luigi. Let me bring it up here. So Luigi the shooter guy is still Luigi Mangione, who is in prison to remind everyone he assassinated the United Healthcare CEO. Shot him in the back.
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Charlie Kirk
Terrible.
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Jack
Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.
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Blake
Allegedly. Allegedly.
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Jack
Even though it's on camera.
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Blake
And so apparently this is reported in the Mirror, So it's a tabloid, but it's probably true. It's just too trashy for normal Publications to do it. Apparently Luigi Mangioni has had to ask fans to limit the number of photos that are sent to him by fans in prison to five apiece because police are complaining that they have to review all the photos he's receiving from fans. He's also receiving many tens of thousands of dollars, actually I think over $100,000 in donations to his legal defense fund. Someone sent him $30,000 recently on his, whatever crowdfunding site is. And there's, there's a lot of fandom for Luigi. I think we very much have to consider, we have to very much consider the idea that you could get a hung jury from like a deranged leftist who's just in favor of what he did.
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Charlie Kirk
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Jack
Yeah, Charlie. So the reason that the far left lionizes Luigi Mangioni, by the way, they keep saying, you know, they keep saying, oh, he's the innocent. Luigi's innocent. I said, well, if he's innocent, why do you love him so much? If he didn't do anything or if he didn't do anything, why do you love him so much? It's. This was the thesis of my New York Times bestseller last year on Humans, how the Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them. And we described the far left and communists as people who would support and love a character like Luigi Magione. We specifically said that these are the types of individuals who, who they would support because we said they're. They're. Look, the communists will tell you all day long they support justice, inequality. And the cultural Marxist, of course, will talk about identity and diversity and race and gender and all these things we were just talking about in the last segment. But in reality, that's not true. That's not what actually drives them. The unhuman, right, the communist. It's an intense hatred of beauty, success, those who thrive. Anyone who they view as prosperous, viewing them as oppressors that need to be torn down, they believe in this oppressor class versus oppressed class. And here's the key, by the way, Charlie, here's the key way to, I think, make anyone see the difference between what Mangioni did and. And how it's not actually about, oh, health care companies or anything. Which, by the way, you know, the left, of course, were the same people who told us that we were supposed to love health care and health care is great. These are during COVID 19, that we're supposed to listen to the health care and trust the exper. But suddenly, oh, no, go and kill them. At the same time, you're like, wait a minute, this is complete doublespeak. But to the. To the leftist, to the communist, it's not. And Charlie, I'll explain why. Has nothing to do with his direct position. Even though he was wealthy, he was certainly wealthy, but actually ironically, or perhaps not ironically, the individual Luigi Mangione, his family was actually more wealthy than his victim, his alleged victim here, the CEO. But what is he really, Charlie? He's a successful white heterosexual male and in cultural Marxism. So all forms of Marxism have a specific enemy they have a specific devil, to use Eric Hoffer's phrase. So all mass movements don't. Not all mass movements require a God, but all mass movements require a devil. Their mass movement, the mass movement devil right now is white, male, heterosexual, Christian. You add all of these things together and that is what they cheer the killing of, especially if you're successful. Now let me ask you this question, Charlie. If that health care, if this was really about health care, do you think they'd be just as cavalier? You saw, you mentioned turning up the temperature. Do you think they'd be just as cavalier about cheering on Luigi Maggione? If the healthcare CEO, hypothetically, I'm not talking about any people, anyone in real life, but if he had been, oh, I don't know, a black male CEO in a committed same sex marriage, then of course they wouldn't be cheering him on. They wouldn't be excited, they wouldn't be happy about this. They're doing so because he took out one of their individual targets that they view as part of the enemy class in society and have taken all of that insipid rage and deceptiveness and destructiveness and obsession with power and nihilism and turned it against you, the white male overclass. And this guy went further than anyone else has been willing to go thus far.
- [33:11]
Tyler
Well, can I add this to the scariest part about this whole thing? We've talked about this at length before on I was well said Jack on this show and to like piggyback on, on Jack's entire, you know, this is his entire mantra is talking about this and educating on this is when you get the communists together and normalize it. And we've talked about if the communists in the country and the BLM folks and everyone else became nationalistic. That's a very scary moment.
- [33:44]
Charlie Kirk
We've said this on this program.
- [33:45]
Tyler
If they get smart, and that's on.
- [33:48]
Charlie Kirk
Immigration, crime and trans. Those are the three things.
- [33:50]
Tyler
And that's the scary part about this thing is it normalizes the normalizing of the hatred for this executive, which I've seen a ton of stuff from very normal people posting. And like, again, I don't know if you guys have seen it with friends and wives and things like that, but my wife has seen people really aggrandizing this guy. And it's scary because it's the normalizing of this very communist behavior that Jack just so eloquently went through.
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Blake
I'm looking at his defense fund right Now. It is $618,000 as of this moment, just Some of the quotes. These are people within the last hour. Maybe the next health care CEO that gets whacked, it will be done by someone more professional who knows what they're doing and won't advertise it. Keep up the good work. From New Zealand. The shooter is a hero who assassinated a terrorist leader. Let's see. Mangioni for president. Oh, there's just a free my homie. More free my homies.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So let's take a step back. Blake, I think this is important. When I talk to boomers about this, they're kind of really disconnected from it. Not to criticize them. Can you please educate how much of a cultural icon he has become?
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Blake
Oh, enormous.
- [35:06]
Charlie Kirk
Explain it, because I talked to all the people. What do you mean? He's criminal, he's terrible, Nobody likes him. No. Talk about how there's real viral subterranean momentum.
- [35:13]
Blake
This. Okay, so, yeah, first of all, the reason they don't see it, a ton of it is on Tik Tok, on Instagram, it's on platforms. They're not on it. Frankly, it's weird to say it helps a lot that his. His name is Luigi Mangione. And so if people are familiar with Super Mario, Mario's brother is Luigi.
- [35:29]
Charlie Kirk
Important component.
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Blake
It made it very easy to, you know, you can go on the AI platforms and you can make AI images where it's like Luigi assassinating a healthcare CEO or you make the CEO guy. We have one right there. Just. You have Luigi assassinating Bowser in a business suit. And so it's really easy to. It was very easy to kind of turn it into a visible. I hate to say the word, but fun thing. You're taking this children's video game that's very colorful. You know, you've got those Luigi hats. You can buy those online anywhere.
- [36:01]
Tyler
He also comes off not psycho too, right?
- [36:03]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, Well, I mean, I. Again, I say this as with a staunch, unblemished record of heterosexuality. He seems to be a good looking guy.
- [36:10]
Blake
It seems so.
- [36:11]
Tyler
He's good looking. So you got the Jodi Arias situation.
- [36:14]
Charlie Kirk
Can we get the Seinfeld clip of the unblemished record of heterosexuality? I mean, I look at Luigi and I say, okay, he. Do you agree, Blake, by the way, if you're afraid to talk about this, then just.
- [36:25]
Blake
No, I'm. I'm just. I feel like you guys are always protesting your heterosexuality and then you're like, well, Lord of the Rings felt really gay when I watched it. Every movie I watch feels really gay when I Watch it.
- [36:36]
Tyler
We cannot spit out like.
- [36:38]
Charlie Kirk
Do you want to go back to the like Reddit topic or do we want to kind of stay?
- [36:43]
Blake
Look, I'm just, I'm just saying we.
- [36:46]
Tyler
The thing that, that really is bizarre to me about the normalization of this guy is. And this is what's scary. And I think this again, piggybacks on what everything that Jack is saying is that the more figures like this, that make this proletarian type behavior normal is going to not help in the broader context of how the direction the country needs to go. So the thing that I think freaks me the most out again about communists is if they become everyday type people. It's the same thing that the left says about like how they view right wing, you know, anarchists, you know, that want to demolish government, the more normal it's become. And our side has done a better job at having more normal figures in general. Obviously not crazy people killing people on the street. But that's communism. That's what communism is, is crazy people killing people on the street. And the normalization of that, I mean, that literally is 1917 Russian Revolution.
- [37:49]
Blake
Forget even just Russia, every single communist.
- [37:51]
Tyler
Revolution, you know, the biggest, greatest, most successful version of it in Russia, you could argue, is that's where that is the binding element. And that's what's so scary about this situation is this almost has the elements, is if he was more of a political figure and more well known, where would we be right now? I mean, that's a scary thought.
- [38:16]
Blake
So here's a possible thought. So let's say Luigi Mangione goes on trial and he 100% doesn't contest he did it. Their overt defenses. I did it. It was a good thing. Jury nullification. And the jury nullifies it and they vote that way.
- [38:32]
Charlie Kirk
Free man.
- [38:32]
Blake
And he's a free man. What if, what if Trump said okay and he drone strikes him?
- [38:37]
Charlie Kirk
Well, no, Trump should then find federal charges against him. I mean, there's got to be some interstate law that he broke, conspiracy to commit murder. At that moment, you gotta bring the DOJ and take him out of New York. I'm not kidding. I think you have a put him.
- [38:49]
Blake
On trial in like.
- [38:50]
Charlie Kirk
No, I'm not, I'm not making Alabama or something. I'm not making a joke. I'm saying, I guarantee you there's some sort I. In fact, this is an important thing. I might message Pam Bondi about it also because I'm saying it public or privately. The Fed should quietly be building a case just in Case of. Okay, is there interest. Was he sending text messages because he fled across state lines. Right. All this stuff, you can get them for more. I don't wanna say ticky tech, but less. One second, Jack. Less like. Okay. Not just the murder itself, which I think does also violate, by the way, federal law. You're not allowed to murder.
- [39:23]
Blake
There's a federal terrorism charge now.
- [39:24]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And by the way, the local prosecutor should have some humility if he feels as if it's going to drop the charges. Meaning you could basically do a motion to dismiss before the jury meets and then you could free file. Does that make. Right. As soon as the jury comes and says not guilty, it's double jeopardy. You literally can. But yeah, I mean, I think that there is a. There is a place now. Now understand though, if one hung juror. That doesn't mean that he's acquitted though.
- [39:51]
Tyler
No.
- [39:51]
Blake
Then they could.
- [39:52]
Charlie Kirk
So they could. So he's going to spend the rest of his life in some sort of. This is too graphic. I think we're not at a place now where we're going to allow this guy back on the streets.
- [40:00]
Tyler
But unless you have like a. Like a Munich type situation. Go on. And you turn him into a political figure, I mean this is literally Munich.
- [40:10]
Blake
You mean with Hitler?
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Tyler
Yeah.
- [40:12]
Charlie Kirk
All right, so. So just so we're clear, this is me with Luigi Maggione, playcup153.
- [40:18]
Blake
Can I say one thing to you?
- [40:19]
Charlie Kirk
And I say this with an unblemished.
- [40:21]
Jack
Record of staunch heterosexuality.
- [40:23]
Blake
Absolutely.
- [40:25]
Jack
It's fabulous.
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Tyler
You can't say fabulous now.
- [40:31]
Jack
So good.
- [40:32]
Tyler
Yeah, that was okay. George could still get away with Ty.
- [40:35]
Jack
What I was going to say, and I think Tyler was kind of get out too. Is like. Like you. You lock him up without dealing with any of the underlying pieces of it. That you just make him a martyr.
- [40:44]
Charlie Kirk
Right.
- [40:44]
Jack
You just. You just make him a political prisoner. And that's. That's not going to actually do anything to change the public perception of him. And in fact, it's going to gall. I mean, you look at some of the horrific people that Joe Biden pardoned on the way out and they've done the exact same thing with them. These, these. The. The guy who murdered those FBI agents or some of the horrific killers that you see get getting rehabilitated in again. I'll go back to the true crime community because they're just so awful and disgusting and leftist and they'll find just, you know, Julius Jones, Rodney Reed, you. These, you know, horrific, unrepentant murderers. And try to say, or that who was the guy, the guy in Baltimore, the one with the New York Times podcast, etc. And, and they're just, they'll just say, oh gosh, it was a case of mistaken identity, it was racism, whatever, so we got to let them out. And in some of those cases, they do actually get out. Charlie, like you're saying, the bigger, I think, issue though here is this stuff is normalized because we live in a society where a Gini coefficient is getting really bad. And the Gini coefficient is, it literally means just the, the disparity between the haves and the have nots. So this is where Trump comes in and says, look, you know, we can, we can actually work to make the middle class better. We can make the life better for the working class and stop screwing them over and not making the rich get so fabulously wealthy. And so Trump, hopefully, if he's successful, if his project of populist nationalism is successful and people really do change their ways, I mean, like the Republican Party actually moves to a populist nationalist model and stops trying to flood us with like cheap migrant labor into, into the heartland of the country, then maybe we can get to a place where as living standards go up, support for insane nut job communists like, like Mangione goes down. The problem is if, say, you know, we hadn't gotten on that, gotten on that path of having Trump involved and actually getting to a populist, nationalist, moderate approach to dealing with these issues, then yes, there would be a huge appetite for real, full on communism in this country. And you definitely see that expressed with the support for Luigi Maggione. That's what it really is. They want to see more people shot in the streets. They want to see probably all four of us on this podcast shot in the streets. And they would have our children taken away and given off to whatever couple wanted to adopt them. And they would cheer, they would absolutely cheer to watch it happen. And how do we know this? Well, just go look at their chat rooms.
- [43:13]
Charlie Kirk
Of course, we get death threats all the time. That's who these people are. So. Yeah. So does this teach us anything about our politics that we should be concerned about?
- [43:23]
Tyler
Well, I'll just interject this. I think the mistake is to look at him like a Ted Bundy or a Jodi Arias and just look at him for good looks. Oh, he's wooing the women. I think that's actually a piece to what we're talking about. It's really important for people to be really well educated on this is that there is a much deeper, bigger problem politically here that Jack again led into this entire thing with is that this is a way bigger issue. This is not just a simple dismiss the murderer type thing.
- [43:56]
Charlie Kirk
Can I'm gonna mention something Blake's not gonna like. FBI launched investigation into James Comey. Oh, are you okay with that one? Because of, because of an off the books Honeypot operation targeting 2016 Trump campaign. That's big.
- [44:13]
Blake
That's interesting. If that's honey pot operate, I'd love this.
- [44:16]
Charlie Kirk
All ties in with Dan Bongino going in. So new leadership at the FBI is starting an investigation into the origins of the agency's plan a decade ago to infiltrate Trump's campaign using two female undercover honeypot agents.
- [44:31]
Blake
That is crazy. If true. Holy.
- [44:33]
Charlie Kirk
The off the book this is reported as fact. One second, Jack. The off the books investigation launched in 2015 by James Comey was revealed by an agency whistleblower in a protected disclosure the House Judiciary Committee last year and was first reported exclusively by Washington Times. So this apparently has been out there.
- [44:52]
Tyler
Wow.
- [44:52]
Charlie Kirk
And the intel community in the intel honey pot commonly refers to an undercover operative, usually a woman who feigns sexual romantic interest to obtain information from a target. Jack.
- [45:02]
Jack
So what this is about, this is actually good. This is very, very good that this is happening because the communists will not stop until they are stopped. So we talked about how we've got these gay race communists in our intel communities. Seem to remember a certain senator from Wisconsin telling us that communists were taking over the CIA. But I digress. And now we've got, we know of course that we've got communists all throughout the DOJ and the prior iteration of the FBI. And the issue with fighting communism is one thing that we learned throughout all of this is that the only way to actually stop communism is to stop the communists themselves. You're not gonna, you're not gonna win, you know, you're not gonna go up to some ardent Luigi Maggione supporter and say, stop supporting him. Come on, man. It doesn't work that way. What you have to do is you have to, have to find the individuals and you have the people who have actually broken the law to. In furtherance of their radical ideology. So we're obviously seeing that here. We saw that throughout 2016, 2017. Anyone who was around for the Trump 45 administration certainly saw that. You find them and it's not going to, it's not going to end until you reach parity with the understanding that we're not going to use this insane Lawfare anymore. The only way you get rid of that is through mutually assured destruction. It's called the Code of Hammurabi. And the reason it works is because that, that's what creates the essentials for allowing civilization to prosper. The communist is against civilization. The communist wants to use the tools of civilization to destroy you, to destroy their enemies, to destroy everything else. But of course, what ends up happening, civilization is disrupted and dissolved in the same process. Because that's what they've done. They've. They've destroyed the very tapestry and the infrastructure that allows civilization to be possible. These basic ideas of laws that are just laws that are actually provide a limited, a limit to what you respond with. And so the only way to reinsure that is you've gotta. You gotta fight fire with fire. And that's exactly what they're doing here. I completely applaud this and I back at 100%.
- [47:16]
Charlie Kirk
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Blake
All right, so the starting point of this is just that Elon Musk tweeted a few days ago just one of his one liners that like the AI singular, I think, is it. The AI singularity is near. Is that what he tweeted? It was, yeah. So we are on the event horizon of the singularity. That's the Tipping point of a black hole where, like, you can't get out of it, basically. And so for those who aren't, who've missed it, the Singularity is the idea that we could improve AI to the point where an AI is smarter than a human and the AI is therefore capable of improving itself.
- [48:55]
Charlie Kirk
We were still about 10 years out from that. Right.
- [48:57]
Blake
It was one of those things we're perpetually ten years out from for. For decades on end since it was coined. And then I think with the chat GPT thing taking off a couple years ago, it feels suddenly much more relevant that we could be close to that. We've seen the AI models have gotten a lot better in the last two years. They've gotten a lot better in the last six months. There are allegedly abilities that we can see that are behind the scenes and are not public yet that are getting better and better and better. The question is, is, does it, Would it ever reach the point where, as it was, if they are able to improve themselves without our input, the idea is you could just take. Turn on the AI and it's able to go run away, improve itself, make more eyes, make better eyes. And then in theory, within, kill us all. A matter of not even just kill us all. It could be there are people who think it's, this is paradise. We have the AI and it solves all of our problems. That you could set it off and in a month that comes back and it says, I've advanced physics and chemistry and biology by a thousand years each, and I figured out how to make unlimited food and unlimited energy and we can sail to the stars and you're all immortal now. And that, that's in theory what the good singularity could be. The bad singularity is it becomes a runaway intelligence and it decides to turn all of us into paper clips.
- [50:08]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So I think the first concern is that the amount of physical energy that it takes to do that, I don't think the infrastructure has been built yet. Like, that's an actual problem. It is like the data servers alone. Microsoft, and this is interesting, while the people are saying we might be on the event horizon, Microsoft just canceled a ton of leases for their AI servers. Did you see that story?
- [50:27]
Blake
I did not.
- [50:27]
Charlie Kirk
They just said like, oh, sorry, we're not advancing this. Yeah, it's really interesting. So everyone's bullish on AI. Microsoft, 3 trillion. Yeah. And they're like, sorry, we got to slow this down a little bit. It's, we're, it's. We can't quite keep up with it the amount of physical energy it takes to power AI, we have that capacity, that infrastructure is not built. So it's like my, it's like a million times more energy intense than mining bitcoin.
- [50:53]
Blake
Yeah, exactly. It is very interesting because each it, you know, they have to train these basically and the training is you're just feeding it essentially every image, every sentence, every piece of music ever created to find all the patterns and every time they upgrade it. So we started with you know, GPT1, GPT2 and of course all the spin offs kind of every time they upgrade the quality. Apparently the amount of energy they have to put into training is, is like an order of magnitude.
- [51:17]
Charlie Kirk
No, that's right. And we don't yet have the infrastructure to do that. And we now have insane demand for AI. So what we're about to see is an AI traffic jam the likes of which that are really, is going to tick people off.
- [51:31]
Blake
But the flip side of this is also crazy, which is have you heard about Deep sea?
- [51:35]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, the Chinese thing.
- [51:36]
Blake
So the Chinese thing. But what's crazy with the deep sea?
- [51:38]
Charlie Kirk
I know more about AI than I do about what's called.
- [51:40]
Blake
What's crazy with Deep Seq is that the Chinese according to themselves, people have wondered if it's true. But the people who made Deep Seq climb claim they trained this AI which is not quite as good, but almost as good as the top end models we have. And they reportedly did it much cheaper and much faster.
- [51:56]
Charlie Kirk
I know, but they're communists. They're probably lying even if it's half.
- [51:59]
Blake
But there's a lot of cope about China.
- [52:01]
Tyler
Have you seen this video of the AI talking to each other?
- [52:04]
Jack
But I did see, so I did actually see, Blake. I did actually see. There was some, there was some reporting that it looked like it. They had used, they had trained deep seek from OpenAI. So like they had already used an iteration of OpenAI that existed, I guess ChatGPT or one of the GPTs that's out there and that had used it just like building on what was already out there, which would certainly go along with how China operates. So I don't think that China would be precluded from creating something like this, by the way. And Charlie, to your point about the massive energy expenditures, I mean China loves their mega projects. There's nothing that China loves more than megaprojects.
- [52:42]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, so the. I, I'm not believing that singularity is going to be hit anytime soon. And here's why. You know the singularity paradox that you actually Never know if it hits singularity.
- [52:56]
Blake
Like with an actual singularity or the tech one.
- [52:58]
Charlie Kirk
No, because the AI right now could tell you that it's self, aware, but it's actually not self aware. It's just parroting something that it read on the Internet, knowing that that's what you say when it's singular.
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Jack
It's like the Turing Test.
- [53:06]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, exactly. So you actually don't know if it's ever. So you actually will never know if singularity is actually ever reached?
- [53:12]
Blake
Well, the singularity just describes how fast it can improve.
- [53:14]
Charlie Kirk
No, technically, singularity means that it is self aware, that it knows it is a machine and you are not that.
- [53:20]
Blake
Sentience. That's sentience, I think.
- [53:22]
Charlie Kirk
No, I think that's singularity, isn't it, Jack?
- [53:24]
Blake
Singularity is the point of just logarithmic improvement, I believe, is what that usually means.
- [53:29]
Charlie Kirk
I think I'm right, aren't I, Ryan? I think I'm. I. Did I just correct Check.
- [53:34]
Blake
Blake, I don't think Ryan says no.
- [53:36]
Charlie Kirk
Blake, you're actually wrong for once.
- [53:39]
Blake
Hold on, hold on.
- [53:40]
Charlie Kirk
Charlie, just.
- [53:40]
Blake
Charlie, Charlie. This is why we read the first line of technological singularity here.
- [53:46]
Tyler
Timeout. This is why.
- [53:47]
Charlie Kirk
Hypothetical point in which the technological growth goes uncontrollably reversible, resulting in unforeseeable consequence. But I need to read this whole thing.
- [53:55]
Jack
Well, it's.
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Blake
It's.
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Charlie Kirk
It's.
- [53:56]
Tyler
I come saying, is probably the more.
- [53:59]
Blake
Like the more common way of. Sorry, I'm not. I'm not going to concede.
- [54:02]
Jack
I think the official phrase is like, when it surpasses us.
- [54:06]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, so. So let me just.
- [54:08]
Jack
But it's. You're. You're basically saying the same thing.
- [54:11]
Charlie Kirk
Let me. Let me ask you a provocative question. And I could do AI all day long because I think it's the most interesting thing happening. I think everything else is a distraction. I think AI is the most important thing happening on the planet right now. Like, more important than everything. And I actually think it can be really exciting and also terrifying if singularity is reached. Jack, does. Is it a species?
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Jack
You know what's funny is. So I. I rewatched the Matrix last weekend, and I guess I forgot how much of the build up in that movie is. It's all based around AI. It's all based around, you know, AI becomes self aware and then they eventually become a breakaway species from us. And then they launch a war with us humans. And then humans black out the sky because the AIs are all solar powered. And that's what creates this huge dystopia which then causes the robots to want to make, you know, make humans into their batteries and that's what they create the matrix for. They, you know, kind of, kind of hand waving a few things. There's probably other power sources out there than, than human beings, but still, the, the idea that your AI can eventually, or. Oh, you know, actually, Charlie, the craziest video that I saw this weekend for everybody was. And I'm sure this was probably, you know, an ad, but has anyone seen that, that video of the AI agents talking to each other?
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Tyler
Yeah, I was just talking about it, that that was the thing that went viral this week that everybody was looking at and like.
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Charlie Kirk
So viral.
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Tyler
Yeah, which I.
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Jack
It's probably not. I mean, it's probably a little bit you know, set up. So the idea of an AI agent is sort of like, you know, hey, we got to book travel or we've got to book a. You know, Charlie's Turning Point's got a, you know, a series of campus stops and, you know, Charlie Kirk's coming in. We need this much crew, we need this much time, we need permits, etc. So you would get an AI agent that would go in and, you know, do all that busy work for you, make the phone calls and go through all the logistics work of it. Or, you know, when, when Amfest is going on and everyone's got to deal with all that, you would get an AI agent. So, you know, Turning Point actions, event staff would get an AI agent to do all those phone calls. And one that can speak. Well, in this video, an AI agent, it's. It's planning a wedding in the video, which I'm sure is an ad, but it realizes that the person that they're speaking to over the phone is in fact an AI agent for the wedding venue and which is a hotel in this case. And so they say, oh, do you want to switch to gibber speak? And gibber speak is this like. Basically it sounds like a dial up modem for, for anyone who remembers what that sound is. And, and it's. It's just. You just hear these two computers going back and forth and like. And yeah, I mean, I don't know how you describe that other than this, this is another species that we are creating right now.
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Charlie Kirk
So the question then is also, what's so interesting is that it's a species just on a server that technically exists at the will of us. If you take a hammer, you could destroy the species.
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Blake
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
Does the species get rights?
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Blake
I mean, or what? If they can create more, you know, they can create more instance of themselves.
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Charlie Kirk
How do they physically expand beyond a server? That's where it starts to get interesting. You know, technically they're literally just housed on a server.
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Blake
Mm.
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Charlie Kirk
That is the most technical way that.
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Blake
You could be illegal to ever like decommission a server.
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Charlie Kirk
Because no, I mean look, I think we're. And by the way, they could multiply itself through robots and robots are coming very quickly.
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Tyler
Yeah.
- [57:35]
Blake
Yes.
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Charlie Kirk
It way more so than. By the way, the. I have a whole conspiracy theory. The media is underplaying the advancement of robots.
- [57:41]
Tyler
Totally.
- [57:42]
Charlie Kirk
And like it's way. If you talk to the smart tech investors, they're like, they're fully functional, they're ready to go. The rollout is coming, mass unemployment is around the corner.
- [57:51]
Blake
It is like why would you not run like a McDonald's with that?
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Charlie Kirk
How is that not like the number one? I mean again we're talking like systemic racism or doge. All that sounds interesting we have there is this barreling train that's about to change everything. Like change the species as we know it.
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Tyler
Yeah, it's automated vehicles, robot.
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Charlie Kirk
I will say in the short term I'm, I'm, I am more bullish on AI because I think it actually can make human beings better. What we already do. I, my fear is that that's gonna be a short lived window is that it's gonna be like a 5 to 10 year.
- [58:22]
Blake
We need to consider it a priority.
- [58:24]
Charlie Kirk
To figure this out.
- [58:26]
Blake
To figure it out and to make sure that like the benefits are widely distributed as opposed to like the possibility is just the guy who owns the robot owns everything.
- [58:35]
Charlie Kirk
These are moral questions and that's why it comes back to why we're conservatives, not libertarians, everything. That's why I think it's the most interesting thing that's facing humanity is it all comes back to well, we need a neutral public space. There is no neutral public space or AI. There is. You need to make truth claims. Do human beings matter? Does life matter? Who gets the stuff? Why do they get that stuff? AI is going to force us into the most important moral conversation since Christ.
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Blake
And it's right. I really believe and it really to take a step back for a moment, think about what this shows you about politics. If you went back 10 year 2016, Trump is running for president and you told them, yeah, in 10 years, by far the biggest political issue is going to be how we handle like AI and robots. Because they're going to replace absolutely everyone. And that's Going to be way more important than like the border, for example. And it would. It would feel wild.
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Tyler
The border won't even matter.
- [59:22]
Blake
Yeah, it'll be like. It'll render the border irrelevant because. Because it'll just be. The machines are replacing everyone. And it shows how quick, like an issue can feel obsolete or come out of nowhere to be the biggest.
- [59:31]
Tyler
The machines will build the wall and like terrorism.
- [59:33]
Blake
No one will ever be talking about Islamic like terrorism as a big issue.
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Jack
So what's going to happen then in this country? We were just talking about the communism thing. What's going to happen when we've got all these imported cheap foreign laborers from the H2B and H1B and all the rest of these programs and now they can't get jobs because we've got robots doing all that.
- [59:52]
Charlie Kirk
Listen, we're going towards a mass social welfare state. And the only way that they're going to be able to spin it is that there's gonna be a robot tax where every robot that is working is going to be like 50,000 bucks a year to the government that you're going to have to pay. That will go to A ubit. That idea has been floated. That's where we're heading. It's coming very quickly. And there will be a short window where companies are going to be able to use robots to maximize profits. There'll be huge worker strikes. Congress will meet. There'll be like 50,000 tax per robot as a user tax. So it's like, hey, if you replace a human being, you have to pay for a human being. Basically. Basically, it's gonna be a one for one.
- [60:21]
Tyler
Well, those big monopolies will take. Take total control of everything in that small window, of course.
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Charlie Kirk
And so I'm saying, like, these are insane questions that we're facing. But at the other side, there's incredibly bullish interpretations too. The sector that I'm most excited about, not on the MRNA vaccine thing, but just the number one problem with medicine and healthcare is data. No one knows what you have, your background. Why is it, does someone else in Singapore also have your condition? What helped for them? What's their full history? Read your genome, read your, you know, read all your sorts of different, you know, diet, you know, your blood work. No human being can possibly do it. It's not possible. There's millions of data inputs that come to our. Do you have a predisposition to cancer? Are you developing a heart problem? AI the most exciting advancement of all of it is how it could reduce unjust suffering. Imagine if we, without a doubt, the most.
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Blake
Imagine if Trump came in and is like, we're going to do. Spend $10 billion to figure out how to use AI to make like, Medicare and Medicaid more efficient.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Blake
So we're just saying for things like.
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Charlie Kirk
We'Re going to find out if you have a predisposition to cancer by age 35, which the technology there is there.
- [61:29]
Blake
I mean, we already run the VA hospitals. Just be like, we're going to do totally AI and vi, you know, VA hospitals to figure out how to treat people and like, reduce the number of staff.
- [61:38]
Charlie Kirk
The. The scary ramifications.
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Jack
Charlie.
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Charlie Kirk
Okay, Jack. Yes.
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Jack
And I was going to say what. What about. We know there's certain percentage of people who have adverse. Adverse effects to marijuana. Like, we know there's a certain amount of people who. Who take it and do get what they, you know, they used refer to this as reefer madness. Some people get it, some people don't. So what if you. What if you're running your genome through that and you find out, oh, look, I. I am like 90 risk of getting this.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, exactly. And I mean, it is this here, here's. And I'll. We'll close with this because I know Tyler's got to run and I gotta run. There is a temptation to think we're gonna enter into a Star Trek world where no one owns anything and there's no currency. I think it's gonna be a lot clumsier than that. I think that if we don't have good leadership and statesmen of the Churchillian type, this will get us into war the likes of which we've never seen. There will be revolution in the streets. It'll make the Russian revolution look like child's play. If 5,000 people own everything and robots are running the world, there will be a workers revolt that no one can control. So these are the mo. I just want everyone to. You can mark this down February 2025. This is going to. This will redefine everything. Everything.
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Blake
AI makes tyranny easier. So we have to worry.
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Tyler
Totally. And that's the other thing that's. You want to go into, like, the deep dark conversations on this. On the. Online is thinking about how voting is impacted, how people are elected because of. It's like the disgusting scary part of this world is that this is the reason why everyone is so. You know, Lindellian about the machines is like AI's impact on how Internet impacts mass voting is very scary. It's very scary stuff.
- [63:22]
Charlie Kirk
Again, that's actually where I'm really excited, though, is that it's the human being, it's us that are gonna have to solve these questions. People like, oh, you know, this is really eventful. If you think that Trump 2024 was eventful, wait for 2032, when we have to answer the highest stakes questions. And these are not easy questions. It's like, what is the role of the state? What does liberty mean? If you have a robot that does everything, what do you do all day long? Is this going to make people happy or more miserable, more suicidal, or more flourishing? Why even have kids? Like, these are really important questions. What is God? Why are we here? I mean, of cosmological significance. I'm excited for it because I think we're way better equipped as conservatives and as Christians to engage in this than like a secular materialist. What is their answer?
- [64:05]
Blake
Oh, neutral puppets.
- [64:07]
Charlie Kirk
Because I'm Sam Harris, like, shut up. You're not equipped.
- [64:09]
Blake
You read the ones who are just like, I don't even bother saving for retirement because I'm so convinced, like the AI apocalypse is coming that no, I'm.
- [64:14]
Charlie Kirk
Just going to die again.
- [64:16]
Tyler
All the aliens are supposed to protect us from that.
- [64:19]
Charlie Kirk
I inherently reject doomerism. I'm more interested that it's going to it. I think that we are being, as a movement prepared for this window of time where, you know, we complain, you know, oh, the boomers. This like Gen Z millennials. When we get towards peak political maturity in 10, 15 or 20 years, all of this experience is going to have a crescendo where we're going to be answering and deciding and governing. It will be like the Magna Carta for human beings. I know that might sound like, no, I'm not. I know that might sound like a hyperbole, but like 500 years from now, they're going to look back and be like, wow, in 2040, that original Declaration of Rights of here's what AI does and here's what it doesn't do. Here's. And then, then we chart the path for the next thousand years. That's how important this is. It's bigger than like solving wars in the border. All that stuff's important. This is the stuff that will determine whether or not we exist as a species.
- [65:16]
Tyler
But the only government that can do is America. The American people are the only ones I think predisposed to answer those questions.
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Charlie Kirk
And man, you want to talk about. And again, I could talk about the.
- [65:25]
Tyler
Rest of world's a disaster.
- [65:26]
Charlie Kirk
I've done so much thing about this. There will Be such a revealing moment of someone that's nakedly bought by corporations that will make a short term deal.
- [65:34]
Tyler
Yeah.
- [65:34]
Charlie Kirk
Where they're like. And they'll just do it for money or a payoff. Where these corporations are like, I can displace 99% of my workforce. Like that's going to expose our politics in a way that will make people revolt. So anything else you want to add.
- [65:48]
Blake
To that I'm still right about Singularity? No, actually, no, I'm definitely.
- [65:52]
Charlie Kirk
I read it right here. The singularity involves emergence of artificial general intelligence AGI, which means it has human level cognitive abilities followed by artificial super intelligence which would exceed human abilities that would allow it to have sentience and self awareness.
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Blake
Yes, but. And then it's the super intelligence where it improves faster. That's why it's a singularity that it improves so fast, like it instantly changes everything. If you just have a person who's equal to a human or you know, slightly below a human, like Tyler here or something like, then you would. It's not a, it's not a singularity then. It's just like a thing that happened. It's when you can create someone smarter than a human who can then make it itself even smarter because it's smarter than us. That's what makes it the singularity.
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Charlie Kirk
I think everything's preparing us for this. I think it's the purpose of why we are here. I'm not. I think this is the most. You guys can laugh. The same way that like DeSoto and Columbus, you know, discovered the new World. There is a new world waiting for us and we need to figure out why. We're like, what is our purpose and it's, we cannot allow it to sneak up on us. The Magna Carta for humanity. Remember it, write it down. Until then, keep committing thought crime. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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Blake
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