THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 77 — Can Islam and the West Co-Exist?

Summary

Summary of The Charlie Kirk Show – THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 77: Can Islam and the West Co-Exist?

Release Date: March 22, 2025

In episode 77 of “Thoughtcrime Thursday,” host Charlie Kirk tackles a highly charged and significant question: “Can Islam and the West Co-Exist?” Joined by co-hosts Blake, Tyler, and Jack, the discussion delves into the complexities of Islam's compatibility with Western values, societal structures, and cultural norms. The episode navigates through religious practices, historical contexts, cultural integration challenges, and the potential for reform within Islam.

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1. Introduction to Ramadan and Islamic Practices

The episode opens with Charlie Kirk introducing the topic of Islam’s compatibility with Western civilization. At [00:38], co-host Blake commends Charlie’s influence and the impact of Turning Point USA. The conversation quickly shifts to the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, with Charlie prompting Blake to explain its significance [01:52].

Notable Quote:

Blake [01:52]: "Ramadan was in, I want to say, July or June a decade ago. It’s worked its way all the way back to March... During Ramadan, if you’re a devout Muslim, you cannot eat and you cannot drink anything, even water, while the sun is up."

Blake elaborates on the challenges of fasting, especially in northern climates, highlighting the extreme lengths to which Muslims might go to observe Ramadan, including the case of Enes Kanter who struggled with fasting before basketball games [02:35].

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2. Comparisons Between Islamic and Christian Fasting Traditions

The discussion transitions to comparing Islamic fasting with Christian practices such as Lent. At [04:49], Charlie Kirk expresses a nuanced appreciation for religious fasting while distancing himself from Islam, acknowledging the discipline it fosters.

Notable Quote:

Charlie Kirk [04:49]: "I do kind of admire religious structures that forgo the flesh fasting practices. I do actually have a soft spot for... more people involving in the limitations of indulgences and generally good."

Jack introduces the similarity of Christian Lent to Islamic Ramadan, noting that some Orthodox Christian practices are even more rigorous [05:13]. Blake adds that traditional Catholic Lent involved abstaining from meat, reinforcing the importance of communal discipline [06:09].

Notable Quote:

Jack [05:13]: "The Orthodox bros... they go full vegan in Orthodox, and they do 47, so they don’t take Sundays off."

Charlie shares personal anecdotes about his Catholic upbringing, emphasizing the cultural significance of disciplined religious practices [06:51].

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3. Cultural and Social Integration

Blake raises a critical point about the growing Muslim population in Western societies, citing a recent statement by an Australian politician advocating for stricter free speech to protect multiculturalism [10:20].

Notable Quote:

Blake [10:20]: "The question is who actually ends up being the prisoner and who ends up being the warden."

The discussion critiques Australia's approach, suggesting it conflates multiculturalism with accommodating Islam. They debate whether Western multicultural policies genuinely support integration or inadvertently promote the preservation of distinct Islamic values at the expense of Western norms [11:02].

Notable Quote:

Blake [11:02]: "We don’t have the same freedom of speech laws that they have in the United States... because we want to hold together a multicultural community."

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4. Historical Analysis: The Rise and Decline of Islamic Civilizations

The hosts delve into the historical trajectory of Islamic societies, discussing the Islamic Golden Age and its subsequent decline. Blake highlights that during their golden age, Islamic societies were highly influential, yet today, many Muslim-majority countries face economic and political struggles [42:00].

Notable Quote:

Blake [42:00]: "The Middle East was an innovative country... Persia gave us chess, a lot of mathematics."

Charlie Kirk questions why contemporary Islamic countries, aside from wealthy nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, are often in dire conditions despite their historical prominence [50:13].

Notable Quote:

Charlie Kirk [50:13]: "Pakistan is not a great country."

Blake attributes modern issues to rigid adherence to religious doctrines and a lack of compatible modernization, contrasting with the adaptability seen in Western Christianity [51:34].

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5. Genetic and Societal Impacts of Marriage Practices

A provocative segment addresses the impact of consanguineous marriages in Islamic cultures, positing that marrying within the family line reduces genetic diversity and intelligence over generations [47:47].

Notable Quote:

Blake [47:47]: "Marrying first cousins... lowers your genetic pool, it lowers your IQ."

Blake suggests that such practices prevalent in certain Muslim communities lead to societal and intellectual stagnation, a point of intense debate among the hosts [50:12].

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6. Modern Migration and Demographic Shifts

The episode examines modern migration patterns, highlighting how historical events like the Cold War have fueled Muslim diaspora communities in the West [44:35]. Blake discusses how these migrations have led to cultural clashes and increased crime rates in host nations, exacerbating tensions between Muslim immigrants and native populations [46:00].

Notable Quote:

Blake [46:00]: "There were Somali gangs fighting Arab gangs... Native Swedes were just pretty much caught in the crossfire."

They explore demographic projections, noting significant Muslim population growth in European countries by 2050 and the potential cultural and societal impacts [37:15].

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7. The Compatibility Debate and Potential Reformation

Finally, the conversation turns to whether Islam can undergo reformation similar to Christianity’s Protestant Reformation [52:38]. Blake suggests that Islamic movements like Salafism represent a resistance to modernization, seeking to return to foundational texts without adapting to contemporary Western norms [53:26].

Notable Quote:

Blake [53:26]: "Salafism, that is the ideology of Wahhabism... we need to go back to the basics and practice true Islam."

Jack concludes by asserting that Islam is inherently incompatible with Western civilization due to foundational differences rooted in Christianity’s prominence in shaping Western moral and social structures [53:31].

Notable Quote:

Jack [53:31]: "The west has Christianity at its core... America is at its best when our moral core is Christian."

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Conclusion

Charlie Kirk wraps up the episode by reiterating the central question of Islam and the West’s compatibility, emphasizing the need for ongoing dialogue and critical examination of these complex issues. The hosts encourage listeners to reflect on the discussed themes and engage with the content critically.

Final Notable Quote:

Charlie Kirk [54:25]: "Keep on committing thought crimes. The west and Islam, are they compatible? Thanks guys."

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This structured summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and conclusions of the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven’t listened. The inclusion of notable quotes with timestamps offers readers a glimpse into the depth and intensity of the conversations held during the show.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody, thought Crime Thursday. All about one topic. One topic. It's about Islam. It's all about whether or not Islam is compatible with Western civilization. I think you'll really enjoy this conversation. Email me, as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. Open up your podcast application and type in Charlie Kirk Show. It's a great episode. It's thoughtful. If you have questions about Islam, we answer a lot of it. We dive into it. Text it to your friends, enjoy it and email me, as always, freedomarliekirk.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Blake]

I want you to know we are.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

Happy Ramadan.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, we don't honor that around here, and we never will. Blake, what is Ramadan?

[Blake]

Ramadan is the holy month in the Islamic calendar. You can't say a specific time. It is because they use a full lunar calendar in Islam, which is a bit shorter than the Gregorian calendar. So Ramadan was in, I want to say, July or June a decade ago. It's worked its way all the way back to March. I think it moves by like a couple weeks a year or so. And so it'll soon be in winter. Those will be very chill Ramadans, because during Ramadan, if you're a devout Muslim, you cannot eat and you cannot drink anything, even water, While the sun is up. While the sun is up. And I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

But that. So it gets harder. It's a harder Ramadan in March than it would be in November.

[Blake]

Yeah. In the northern hemisphere, of course, yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. But some. There's been cases. Remember when Enes Cantor, he and some other Muslim basketball players, they literally didn't eat all day, and then they had to, like, try to eat and drink stuff right before the basketball game.

[Blake]

Yep, exactly. It can get really crazy, obviously. It can get really extreme. If you're one of the, as we'll be discussing soon, one of the many Muslims who've moved to, like, for example, Sweden, high up there in the. Near the Arctic Circle, you can get to where your day, you know, when it was in summer, for example, you'll be having a Ramadan fast that's, you know, 18, 19, 20 hours long. If it goes full 24 hours, the Islamic law is you follow Mecca times.

[Tyler]

So does that mean that as it keeps moving towards winter, that we're going to see more Muslims move northern?

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah. Now. Yeah, now you'll have a Ramadan fast. You know, so Alaska is going to.

[Tyler]

Get, like, conquered by the Muslims, chill.

[Blake]

Out in, you know, Fairbanks, be like.

[Jack]

Yeah, this is easy enough for me. When. When we were at Guantanamo, so the detainees, you know, we had to obviously observe Ramadan when they were, you know, when they were being held. And so, yeah, that's closer to the equator rather than further away. But it was also like. Yeah, off of Mecca time, as you say, Blake. And then also it was that you couldn't, basically, you couldn't, you know, you had to sort of like, leave them alone completely. I can't get into too much. But you had to sort of leave them alone until after night and so. Or after, you know, after sunset. So basically my entire schedule flipped from, you know, diurnal to nocturnal. So basically it meant I was working night shift all during Ramadan because everything was completely off limits in the detaining camps during Ramadan.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so who was. Who was the prisoner at that then? Jack. And who was the. Who is the prisoner during that month? Right. You have to wonder, like, who's actually.

[Jack]

Interesting question that.

[Charlie Kirk]

The question is who actually ends up being the prisoner and who ends up being the warden? Yeah.

[Blake]

And, you know, a funny thing about Ramadan is it's. So it's fasting during the day, but if you've been around some of the restaurants, you may know they tend to feast at night. And so there have been studies indicating that even though it's a month of fasting, the average Muslim gains weight during Ramadan. I believe it, because they're pigging out every single night and they put on some Pounds.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm no fan of Islam, which is what we're going to talk about, but I do kind of admire religious structures that forgo the flesh fasting practices. I do actually have a soft spot for. I'm not saying I have a soft spot for Islam. I just. I just do think that more people involving in the limitations of indulgences and generally good.

[Blake]

It's respectful.

[Jack]

You know, Charlie, there's actually a Christian tradition that is very remarkably similar to what you're describing.

[Charlie Kirk]

What, you mean Lent? Well, Lent is very important and should be embraced, but it's not as extreme as not drinking water.

[Jack]

You know, the ortho bros, though, the ortho bros. In great land. It's pretty extreme. They go, like, full vegan in Orthodox, and they do 47, so they. They don't take Sundays off. And it's basically. I believe. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's all animal products. Completely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow. And Blake, what were you gonna say?

[Blake]

Similar thing, like, yeah, Orthodox. Great. Lent is no. No oils, no meat, no dairy. So you're basically down. You're almost. It's almost like a diet of, like, bread and vegetables is kind of what you're encouraged to. And I think sufficiently, you know, if you're. If you're going hard at it, I think you're supposed to abstain from sex as well, even if you're, like, married.

[Charlie Kirk]

Interesting.

[Blake]

So there's a lot of stuff that.

[Jack]

Blake, you're doing great Lent, then.

[Blake]

Yeah. And then similarly, like, Catholic Lent was more intense. Like, the traditional Catholic Lent was no meat, all of Lent. And they totally, like, gone softball on that, where it's only on Fridays. And that used to just be the norm any Friday all year long. And in theory, it was like. Well, you're supposed to. That's where you kind of got people saying they give up stuff for Lent. It was sort of, you can replace the no meat thing that's universal with a choose your own adventure approach to Lent. But I feel like that that's. That's a cop out. You actually want things that are expected of everyone because that's what encourages people to actually do them. And it used to be significant enough. That's where the filet of fish came from at McDonald's.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know if I ever told this on air. I can't remember, but my grandma was super Catholic. Every Friday, no matter what it was. Even beyond Lent was at no meat on Fridays. And that was built in. That's. I was raised in that kind of a culture. I was. No meat on Fridays. Yeah.

[Blake]

And there's a very rich Christian fasting tradition that like Wednesdays were. I think again, some orthodox still do this, but I think historically Wednesdays were sort of a semi fast day. You would have so many more. Lent or not Lent. Advent was also. Is also like a fasting period is intended to be. There's a very rich Christian tradition of fasts and abstentions throughout the year that were very small lds.

[Charlie Kirk]

You guys do fasting what, once a month?

[Tyler]

Mormons are weak. We only do once a month.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it's a 24 hour fast.

[Tyler]

24 hours?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's big.

[Tyler]

It's supposed to be 24 hours.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it's 12 fasts a year.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Blake]

Is it just food or is it water too?

[Tyler]

It's supposed to be everything. No drinking, no, the.

[Charlie Kirk]

No water is tough for me. That's the toughest.

[Tyler]

For 24 hours though.

[Blake]

You can make no jello.

[Tyler]

But they would always like, people would always like hawk the, like the water fountain at church because it's always on Sunday and like, like, oh, bad Mormon drinking the water fountain.

[Blake]

You know, I feel like they could just turn it off or something. Just like deactivate the water.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know the no water thing is. That's tough. That's. I drink an extraordinary amount of liquid, as you could tell. Like, I mean, I, I have like 3 gallons of fluid a day and no water.

[Tyler]

I've been drinking a lot lately.

[Blake]

It's good for you.

[Charlie Kirk]

It gets all the toxins out. It's great.

[Tyler]

So much happier.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake is some sort of camel.

[Jack]

Charlie, are you still doing caffeine?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[Tyler]

No caffeine since I started drinking more water and obviously with this, but since the election, lost a lot of weight.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

All respect aside, though, we've been having this discussion offline a lot lately because we've been seeing, you know, obviously there's more Muslims in the west than there ever were when we were growing up, certainly more than a century ago. And the trends indicate that will continue. And we now kind of. So we have the open debate is, is Islam compatible with conservatism and is Islam compatible with Western civilization as we understand it? And we especially are talking about this because a politician in Australia recently described Australia's approach to freedom this way. Let's play clip 296.

[Unnamed Politician]

There's been some that have been agitating in the Parliament to nullify the laws, to remove them off the statute books. Think about what kind of toxic message that would send to the New South Wales community. And I think the advocates for those changes need to explain what do they want people to have the right to say? What kind of racist abuse do they want to see or be able to lawfully see on the streets of Sydney? I recognise, and I've fully said from the beginning, that we don't have the same freedom of speech laws that they have in the United States. States. And the reason for that is that we want to hold together a multicultural community and have people live in peace, free from the kind of vilification and hatred that we do see around the world.

[Charlie Kirk]

Woo. That is. I mean, so what he's saying is we have to further chisel free speech laws so that Muslims aren't offended.

[Blake]

So multicultural. But that's who's. They've been having those arrive in Australia. Far more than they were in the past. Yeah. Much larger numbers because they have immigration from India, immigration from Africa. And it's very funny how he's like, we do this because we're multicultural, unlike the United States of America.

[Charlie Kirk]

As if we're not multicultural.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

They also have the huge Indonesian influence.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Which are all Muslims.

[Blake]

Yes, they're all Muslims, overwhelmingly so. And so we have that. We of course have that in Britain. We have European countries considering blasphemy laws. And part of this is, you know, Islamic. They do have a tradition of taking their blasphemy more seriously, which you could say is admirable, but it's also, okay, guys, like, we have a history of freedom of speech. We have a history of freedom of religion. And unfortunately for all of you, freedom of religion includes the right to say that the Prophet Muhammad was not an admirable guy. It's the freedom to say Islam is bad. And we have societies that are passing laws against this. And I think we're going to be having more discussion of this because what you especially see now is there's almost a. There's a take in certain factions of conservatism in the US that, like, I'm sure you know, Jack could describe this too, that Islam is based. Basically. I remember a few years ago, there was that meme Islam is right about women, which was done to short circuit liberal brains because they can't criticize Islam. But you're also basically saying that Islam being anti women is a good. So it was. It was trolling the left. But you'll just also hear people on the right say, you know, unironically, oh, you know, Islam is more socially conservative. They have more marriages. They're better in these ways. And I think we're going to see people say we should align with them more overtly. Or you might even see some people are just going to join Islam. They'll say, I want to join a.

[Charlie Kirk]

Religion that's not in the black community.

[Blake]

Yeah, that. I want a religion that's not cucked.

[Charlie Kirk]

A religion that's not gay. I'm not going to see. I don't think a lot of white people are going to enjoy this long.

[Tyler]

I don't know. That. That ad.

[Charlie Kirk]

I said a lot, not some.

[Tyler]

That ad that Charlie tweeted out the Was pretty gay. It was a pretty gay ad.

[Blake]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so let's play that out.

[Blake]

All right, let's play. 293. Hey.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hello, boy. Asalam alaikum, sister.

[Tyler]

What are you doing here?

[Charlie Kirk]

What does it look like I'm doing? I'm studying the art of patience.

[Blake]

You can't eat for another four hours.

[Charlie Kirk]

All Ramadan, the month of Pat. Okay, well, first of all, there's bacon on that burger.

[Blake]

Yeah, it looks like a bacon burger.

[Tyler]

No, first of all, I'm concerned.

[Jack]

He looks like bacon.

[Blake]

This is like beef bacon. I don't know.

[Tyler]

No, this just came up and was.

[Jack]

Obviously an actor, by the way.

[Tyler]

No, no, I'm upset because for some reason, I'm getting served these ads on Instagram.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's in your.

[Tyler]

I don't know. My algorithm on my for you page. On.

[Charlie Kirk]

Think about it. It's like, probably like hyper. What have you been looking up hyper masculine content with fast food and women.

[Tyler]

I don't look at fast food.

[Blake]

Ramadan, Abu Bakr, Tyler, you have to.

[Jack]

Go on a Mormon Lent for this. For Tyler.

[Charlie Kirk]

I want to know the algo recipe that got Tyler caught in a Canadian Ramadan.

[Tyler]

I don't. It's certain Canadian Ramen.

[Jack]

Wait, so we've got Canadian Ramadan versus Mormon Lent here?

[Tyler]

No. I was so offended because it was just Canadian. I didn't care about the rest of it. I'm like, I don't want to get served Canadian ads. Like, this is.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's much deeper than that. It's much deeper.

[Blake]

Was it like a Tim Hortons ad or something? Gosh.

[Charlie Kirk]

So.

[Blake]

But too many Canadian you did bring up. Since you did bring up. You don't think we'll see people in the west convert to it a lot?

[Charlie Kirk]

A lot of whites for sure.

[Blake]

But let's play. This is out of the UK.

[Jack]

Charlie, did you say Allah?

[Blake]

Let's play clip 291.

[PC Paul]

Hi, I'm PC Paul. I've been a police officer here for 16 years. And in January, I reverted to Islam. I started studying the Quran and I started to look into Islam. And it's just such a wonderful, wonderful, peaceful religion. In a period of five months, I've read the Quran twice. I've not missed a prayer. Young people that come to me and they say, Paul. Because I can say to them, are you praying? Because I know I'm praying all the prayers. And it's nice because they'll come and say, actually, now we're praying. So Alhamdulillah. If we work, it works together. Like, I can rub off on them and then they will inspire me and they'll rub off on me.

[Tyler]

Can't even understand.

[PC Paul]

People have asked me, why did you choose Islam? And my answer is, I didn't. I didn't choose Islam. Allah chose me.

[Blake]

Allah chose me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so is that like a BBC propaganda film?

[Blake]

I think it was an Islamic community center. It's a few years old. I just remembered it when we were going to do this topic.

[Tyler]

But this is propaganda now. I've actually seen something really frightening recently. There was. There are a bunch of influence again. Instagram also. It's like that nice on your algo. I'll go through and say there's influencers who are. Who are saying positive things about the Quran.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, no, that's been happening.

[Blake]

Oh, boy.

[Tyler]

I know, but that I've seen that like uptick recently.

[Charlie Kirk]

So like white influencers, but so the bigger they can. Islam can spread through importation or conversion. Those are the two big ways. And the west has primarily been taken over by importation. Agree. Right, Blake?

[Blake]

Yeah, it's very heavily driven by immigration.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whites are far more likely to fall victim to secularism than Islam.

[Blake]

On balance. Yes. Yeah, for sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

Vast majority balance. I don't care about this weird lunatic they can't understand. But if that starts to change, I will happily adjust that statement. What Blake said though, is very important. And Jack, I want you to respond to this for young. Islam speaks to young men that are very displeased with a hyper feminized culture and they're very upset with how feminine the American church has become and how female centric it has become, which is so emotion and compassion and no more about reason and people's sensitivities. How, Jack, do you respond to somebody in good faith that says, jack, why shouldn't we either convert or be open to Islam or be friendly with Islam? There's no abortions in Islamic countries. There's no transgenderism in Islamic countries. There would be no drag queen story hour in Islamic countries. How would you respond to that, Jack?

[Jack]

Well, I mean, there's, there's a few examples that I can point to. But you know, obviously it's, it's, it's just this is that Christianity has been central to the history and to the story and the development of Western civilization really since the days of the Roman Empire, since when Jesus literally came almost immediately began having an impact in his area. Then of course, it spread throughout. Blake and I did a whole series on this around Christmas time. So the idea that we can just take a foreign, you know, a foreign religion and import it into the west, it would completely change who we are, completely change our system of law, completely change our institutions. It would completely change everything that makes us us. And it would do so in the name of, oh, well, they're a little bit more masculine than us. And I would actually put that at the fault of the current heads of the church in the United States, certainly the church in the West. Charlie, you and I have talked about this for years at this point. But you know, when you, when you look at it, there's a reason that actually my, my friend Joshua Lysek, we did the, we did the books together. My co author, he has a phrase for it. He says there, there's this brand of Christianity out there that's like Jesus is my boyfriend and it's kind of, it's very feminine coded, like, oh, I'm in love with Jesus, he's my boyfriend. And you hear this in like a lot of music. You hear it in a lot of sermons and homilies as well, where it's, it's just very female coded, very emotional. It's all touchy feely. And you never hear anything about condemnation of sin. You never hear anything about, say about the word hell.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

Yeah, I was thinking, as you said, about God the Father, the God of rules, also like the God of Judgment. A thing you're not going to see that you'd see in medieval Christianity all the time is images of the Last Judgment or images of just judgment in general. Even that, that can even come, I think, through Christmas. So have you ever seen the Basilica of the immaculate conception in D.C. and it's got that right behind the.

[Charlie Kirk]

I now try to go every time.

[Blake]

I go in and see if you guys can bring up the interior.

[Charlie Kirk]

The closest thing, I think, to a European style.

[Jack]

My brother just got. My brother just got in a little bit of trouble there because he was leading a protest against the newly installed archbishop with the on Bannon.

[Tyler]

I saw.

[Blake]

I haven't followed that story, but I'm thinking of when you look behind the altar, if you guys can even zoom into that a little bit, it's. I think, I think that's Jesus. Even though it kind of looks God the Father, but he kind of, he looks very stern and menacing. Yeah, this is. And that's an element of God that there is, that God is merciful and God is forgiving, but God is also the ultimate judge. I once had a friend of mine in college who said, like, when I see that, like, I want to like fall on my face and confess my sins because I face judgment. And that's definitely an aspect. We have a very touchy feely, like, emotionally resonant Christianity, you know, like Jesus as your life coach. And that appeals to a lot of people, but I don't know that it gives the level of strict order.

[Charlie Kirk]

I completely agree. And it's, by the way, it's feminine is what it is. It's because it's a young woman that doesn't want to be offended. She's like, oh, you can't tell me anything wrong. You know, so Jesus is my buddy. Like, actually God is there to judge you and God is there to tell you that you did wrong. And they're like, oh, that drives people away from the church. Well, actually it didn't for 2,000 years. What you're doing is driving people away from the church. This whole modern, sloppy, watered down, it's driving people to Islam.

[Blake]

Is what it's like. The truth is, I think the great hack of Christianity is it is able to have all of those elements. So it does have the forgiveness, loving God.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's the beauty of the Trinity.

[Blake]

But we must moderate it. You know, as. As we sometimes say, it's not that things that are effeminate are. Or feminine are bad, of course, or the things that are masculine are always good. It is that you need things in the balance. And Christianity has historically had that balance and it's like out of alignment now. And I think we'll see, like, if. Yeah, as long as that void is there. Like if the perception is that Islam is the. Is the macho religion that is demanding of you, you know, who's to say we couldn't see all those guys who are in trend day Aragua or whatever, who currently they join weird bastardized versions.

[Charlie Kirk]

They are prime for Islam.

[Blake]

Yeah, they're like the cult of, you know, the saint death and all of that.

[Charlie Kirk]

My prediction is that Islam will find its way through Latino and black men in our hemisphere. It will not. Young white Christian men, not, I don't think are primed for it, but young Latino men that go into gangs, they are prime for Islam. The whole. Everyone's against you. You just want to be strong, join Islam. Talk, Blake, about how Islam has found itself in this very patriarchal way in the past.

[Blake]

Yeah. So obviously a lot of guys end up joining in prison, for example. And you could even say, like, in there, it might be an improvement. Like it's better to follow like the rules of praying, of like, yeah, pray five times a day, of fasting that over, you know, like total moral anarchy. But obviously we prefer Christianity overall. And there's a lot about Islam that, you know. Well, as we saw in that clip, you know, it's like a very peaceful religion. Well, well, no, because in Islam, in contrast to Christianity, Islam rigidly defines a lot more of what you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to live your life for life. There's a lot more explicit rules. Christianity, it's almost like both a strength and a weakness. The Bible doesn't really get into the details of, for example, what does a majority Christian country look like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct.

[Blake]

We have vibes, we have instructions from Paul to individual communities of believers because, you know, our scriptures stopped at the point where we were still an underground church of a few thousand people. And we've reached a point where there are countries that have been Christian for over almost 2000 years. And now our problem is that you Know, we have the decaying of that. We don't have a lot to go off of there. But Islam is different. Islam was a war leader. Muhammad, he unites these tribes in Arabia and you from the beginning have an Islamic society, an Islamic group that from top to bottom is Muslim. And very shortly after his death we start getting pretty strict rules on what Muslims are supposed to do. I think we've talked about before. Have you, Are you familiar with hadiths?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, the hadith are like writings of teachings.

[Blake]

They're, they're saying, I mean, I think it means sayings and it's a set of, they're extremely long, they're about as long as the Talmud. I think of things that the Prophet Muhammad said or did or how he reacted non verbally to other people doing things. So you'll have a hadith that is like so and so did this. And Muhammad smiled and laughed when he did this, thus showing it was not bad. And within this you have certainly a ton of generic stuff. You know, this is how you, this is how you pray properly. This is how you cleanse yourself properly. Some of them are kind of funny just because this is humorous. The hadiths, you have to be ritually cleansed to pray. And someone says if I fart, is that, does that make me unclean? And the Prophet Muhammad said if you don't smell it and you don't hear it, it's okay. If you, if you smell it or hear it, then you gotta, you gotta purify yourself. But if it's silent and non deadly, you're okay. 100% real. But there's also serious ones.

[Tyler]

There's no way that's real.

[Blake]

That is 100% real. I have it bookmarked on my computer. I'll look it up if you want me to. Of course I keep bookmarks of funny hadiths in my computer, but of Islamic flagship laws, you are full page. Literally. Look at me. I'm gonna show it to you just to prove that I'm not making it up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Islamic flagship funny history.

[Blake]

I have funny hadiths and I've got.

[Tyler]

Maybe you need more subscriptions and less.

[Blake]

Do you see it there? Do you see it? Yeah, read it. All right. Okay. You're calling my bluff. All right, so this is from the ablutions section of the Sunnah Al Bukhari, my unc Narrated Abad bin Tamim, my uncle asked Allah's messenger, peace be upon him, about a person who imagined to have passed wind during the prayer. Allah's Apostle replied, he should not leave his prayers unless he hears sound or smells something.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this is all that hummus that they were starting to eat. That hummus really starts to get the GI tract.

[Blake]

Exactly.

[Tyler]

I can't believe you don't have Netflix and you have this. This is a weird. This is a weird personalist subscription.

[Blake]

But more seriously, the. The Hadiths also have guidelines, for example, on how you wage war as a Muslim. So we have hadiths that say the most honorable thing you can do as a Muslim is to engage in jihad for Allah. And even though I remember after 9, 11, they would say, well, jihad, you can have a jihad in your heart against, like, the sins within you. But if you read them and there's hundreds of these, it is very clear they mean actually going to war for Islam. There's. There's examples where, like, a woman says, like, I would love to be a warrior, like, to go on jihad. And he says, like, because your faith was so great, you will get to do this. And it actually describes she. She sails to a foreign land and she just drops dead when she gets there. And that's a great thing because if you die while on jihad, that's like a auto paradise thing in the Hadith. So it's not that she had to fight. It's not that she had to die fighting, but that she just died while on the jihad journey. And they even get into. They have guidelines for how you distribute war captives, which includes, like, slaves, sex slaves. Like, this is all described in the hadiths in a very literal way. And so, like I like to point out to people is you'll sometimes hear Islam needs a reformation to make it more compatible with the West. But as you would know, like the Protestant Reformation, the belief is they're taking Christianity back to its roots before stuff was layered over it from paganism and so on. And if you do that with Islam, you're going back to what the Hadiths say. You're going back to what is written down in our early scriptures. And they have all of this in it. And so to reform Islam in any other way, like, you actually. You actually have to say we needed to just do the sort of, you know, gay liberal thing that Christianity has done where they just decide to ignore all of their scriptures.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jack]

Well, if it was a Republican running.

[Charlie Kirk]

As a Muslim running as a result. Yeah. Sorry, other way around.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're not running a Muslim running as a Republican. Yeah.

[Jack]

As a practicing Muslim. So the way that, you know, it's similar to, you know, I guess the way you would say, like JFK ran as a Catholic.

[Blake]

Right.

[Jack]

He ran as a, for president as a Catholic. That, not, not in terms of the religion, in terms of the grammar that, that the way that you would look at it as to say, look, okay, these are the things we believe, these are the things that we want, these are the things that we're pushing for. And you know, you've got to leave it up to that. You certainly have to leave it up to that district. Here, here's the way I look at it, right? This, because this really centers around the idea of integration and assimilation when it comes to, when it comes to migrants. Because like Islam is not a Western religion. Islam did not originate here. Naturally. There's no history in Western civilization of it other than the invasions, the Turks, the Ottomans coming through the Balkan history with this Spain, et cetera, et cetera. That's the history. Barbary pirates. You need to talk about the Houthis right now. And in relation to the Barbary Pirates, that's been the history of, of the connection. So my question would be is, is can this be done? Can be done compatibly with what that clip the Australian premier was talking about earlier there? These are, this is our system. This is our culture. You are coming here, you're bringing your own values and your own culture with you. So are you doing so in a way that actually complies with the standards and mores of our majority culture or are you going to turn around like you see on happen on campus all the time? Are you going to turn around and say that our majority culture has to bend and has to accommodate and is mandated to have to twist ourselves in pretzels and turn, turn ourselves inside out to accommodate your minority imported culture?

[Charlie Kirk]

So I mean, I asked for reasons because I endorsed a friend of mine who's actually my family physician, Dr. Zudi Jasser, who's Muslim. However, he actually speaks out more against Islam than almost any Christian will. I mean, he will use the hadith against Islam and he's like, we have to. His argument and we're gonna have him on the show soon is we need to actively ignore like some of the more insane Muhammadan teachings and we need a reformation. And so however, he's an extraordinary minority. Like he had a self admission minority. So I think you're right, Jack. I think it depends. And I got some hate. Oh, Charlie, how dare you, as Tyler knows, endorse Zudi. I was like, well, you know, I'm not going to apologize.

[Tyler]

It wasn't that bad.

[Charlie Kirk]

It wasn't that bad. But I guess let's just talk more broadly. Either anyone can take this the should we think. Let's say if there is someone that's not like Zudi, let's say it's someone who is very religious, someone who's in a mom.

[Tyler]

I can't think of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Just, just someone comes in and they say, hey, you know, we're, we're doing this mass movement and we want to, you know, continue forward against all this stuff and we might agree with them on issues. At what point do we draw the line of collaboration with Islamic fundamentalists?

[Tyler]

It's kind of happening a little bit in Michigan right now, right? It is because you had so many that felt so detached because the left went so far into all these issues that they felt completely sidelined in Michigan. And that's why many voted. You had a majority is what we're reading in exit polling supporting President Trump. So it's a great question to ask.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because I don't know the answer.

[Tyler]

Because in Minnesota and Michigan this is a real community based issue of saying, hey, how do you engage, you know, the orthodox Muslim community in some kind of way here?

[Charlie Kirk]

So Blake, I want your thoughts. I mean, I'm torn. I mean during the election I remember there were Hundreds of young Muslim men that would come up asking for selfies, loving everything. They hated my Israel stance, but they loved the whole vibe of what we were doing. It's hard to kind of see them individually being the problem. I look at things more broadly. I think that when you import a macro ideology, you get a macro erosion of the culture, and that is irrefutable.

[Blake]

Yeah, I think maybe a helpful way to think of it is when we think of how we're often in agreement with conservatives in other pretty different countries. Like, I mean, I'm almost thinking like, conservatives in, like, Japan, conservatives in India, conservatives in Russia, like, you know, people who share our values in entirely different places, that we can be aligned with them. But that wouldn't necessarily mean, like, oh, we should merge our countries together or something. And so with, you know, devout Muslims in the U.S. i think what we can say is if we agree on particular issues, we should collaborate. But big picture, we don't want America to become a Muslim country, whereas they would probably regard that as a great thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let me ask you. Let me interrupt you. Is it a stated goal of Islam to take over other countries?

[Blake]

It's certainly a stated goal to spread Islam. And they have a much. They have a richer tradition of both. I mean, just outright conquest in the name of religion. And also, you can get documents like, the Muslim Brotherhood has put out texts that basically say, you know, our demographic tidal wave is a way for us to expand our influence in the West. And, you know, a notable thing that's worth knowing is there are prophecies in Islam that are expressly related to them one day conquering the West. So this isn't just a general, you know, let's spread our religion because we love it. It's that the Prophet Muhammad had, like, sort of prophecies that are recorded that one day Islam will conquer Rome, it will conquer the Roman Empire. And so for them, like, if you're a devout Muslim, there's a real sense of, you know, one day we will, you know, have the crescent over, over the city of Rome because we'll defeat the Christians. And again, that's just. It's a difficult thing for us to engage with because we don't favor that outcome. But there are a lot of these guys. Let's put up that chart with the numbers of what percentage of different European countries are going to be Muslim by 2050. Migration rates go. Yeah, like, if we look at that, I think it's like, Sweden's at 30%.

[Charlie Kirk]

There are 30% now.

[Blake]

No, in the future, this is 2050 in, like a high migration scenario when.

[Tyler]

Ramadan is during the winter.

[Charlie Kirk]

There you go.

[Blake]

Exactly. And then you can see it's like 15% in Italy. If Italy is 15% Muslim, that will mean the city of Rome itself will probably be 40% Muslim or something like that, because they're going to cluster in the big cities.

[Tyler]

And we were just talking about Toronto the other day. Toronto is like a quarter Chinese and like 20 is like 15 to 20% Muslim.

[Blake]

Yeah. And I wouldn't be surprised if there are 10 times as many practicing Muslims as there are practicing Christians in the city of London.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, without a doubt. Well. And so the obvious way of looking at this is that a Christian nation becomes a secular nation, then that must import new people to sustain their materialism. So then they import Islam and then it becomes an Islamic nation. It goes in sequences.

[Blake]

Yeah. And it's interesting because we haven't. We haven't yet seen a country that goes over that tipping point of it was a Christian country and becomes a Muslim.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's so speculative?

[Tyler]

The UK is getting there, but France is close.

[Blake]

And France is scarily close, but it still isn't fully there. The closest would be probably Lebanon, where.

[Charlie Kirk]

It seems, of course, that's like a Muslim country.

[Blake]

Lebanon was. When it was created, Lebanon was majority Christian.

[Tyler]

It was baton.

[Blake]

But that's not.

[Tyler]

For.

[Charlie Kirk]

My wife is like 1 4th.

[Blake]

Yeah, exactly. And they ended up here, so.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct.

[Blake]

So that's not so much immigration. That's a lot of the Christians left because they tended to be wealthier. So they emigrated to be the Paris.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of the Middle East. It's a gorgeous city.

[Blake]

And now it's the Paris of the Middle east because it's a giant slum.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's awful. Yeah. So that go. That begs a broader question. Now, let's. I wanted the whole episode on this because the other stuff is there's nothing else going on. Why is it that Islamic countries are so crummy now? They might say, but Dubai, but Qatar. So you got. You got to reconcile that.

[Blake]

Okay, so is there one that's nice that didn't happen to be built on a giant pile of money that they had to pay other people to dig up for them?

[Tyler]

Yeah. And real.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, again, I'm not a defender of Islam, but I want. I want us to. I want us to go through this because this is an important thought exercise. So Turkey is not great, but it's not third world. It's probably second world world. Right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lebanon used to be, but they were Christian. Okay. But the majority of Islamic countries are rather poor, very, very tribal. Right. And Libya, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq.

[Blake]

And I want to flag something which is. I think it would have a better explanation if they were basically always that way. But a lot of places that are not great in our Muslim countries now were once, like, the apex of civilization. Like, Persian Empire ran. The Middle east was an innovative country. Like, there's stuff that, like, they were hugely culturally influential. Like, if you were to say, what are the three great civilizations in maybe 0 A.D. you'd probably say, like, the Romans, the Persians and the Chinese in terms of their ability to influence the world. Like, there's Persian stuff everywhere. Persia gave us chess. Persia gave us, like, a lot of mathematics. There's. They had actually, like, a lot of. A decent number of inventions came out of Iran.

[Charlie Kirk]

You've been to Iran?

[Tyler]

I've been at the border.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which one?

[Tyler]

The Armenian? Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. You went to Armenia, Been a Yerevan.

[Tyler]

It's beautiful. I went to. To the Ararat region, oldest Christian country. I had to see Mount Ararat. The oldest church, Christian church in the world is at the base of Male Ararat.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that was like 200 AD, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is the ark in Armenia?

[Tyler]

No, it's in Turkey. But the Ararat region is right on the border of Turkey. And I took a taxi out. It was like the most dangerous thing I've ever done. It was like the dumbest thing. I got into Yerevan and took a taxi out to my Arab.

[Blake]

And that's a similar thing worth flagging. Like, Turkey is the Turks. But if you, you know, if you take a DNA test, they're basically Greeks. They're descended from the people who've been there a long time. I say Greek, and they were really probably the people who were just always in that area. The Greek Muslims became. Yeah, so they were. When it was a Greek empire, when it was the. The Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, as they call it, that was a place produced a ton of scholarship, produced a ton of innovation. It was probably actually the most, technically the most literate and advanced part of Europe, and Turkey is not. And this is actually a thing that they've asked themselves. And like, we invented the printing press in, I want to say, like, 1500. It took, I think, almost 200 years for the printing press to really take off in the Islamic world. And it's a question that certainly has driven them berserk, like Salafism.

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[Tyler]

So I have a question on a question. Jack might have some thoughts on this too. If it wasn't for the Cold War, would, you know, the Muslim diaspora be as great as it is, especially across Western Europe, because that.

[Blake]

So. Right.

[Jack]

So you're talking about this idea that, you know, that, I mean, there was a lot of carving up of, you know, not, by the way, not just the Middle east, but also Africa during the Cold War, this huge fight for, you know, which side is going to come in, see at the Communists running, running amok all over the globe, trying to use the. Loot, the treasury of the Soviet Union, well, loot the treasury of the Russian Empire to go and expand the revolution and so prop up all these communist groups. How does the west respond? The west responds by trying to prop up their own groups. And what does this do? This creates this, this diaspora. So of course, you see, you know, elements of this, like the revolution in Tehran in 1979. See so many Persians flood, you know, flee because of that, the overthrow of the Shah, you know, what, 20 some years prior, et cetera, et cetera. All you could go down the list of all the things that have happened between, between Israel and Egypt and the various wars from 1948 on that all involved the Arab world and all involved this massive instability. You know, I'll look at it this way. I think that. I think that a lot of the influx of migrants in General has more to do with the legacy of World War II than anything else because it just created this, this idea particularly. So I went to Sweden and Malmo, which is one of these areas with no. No go zones, I guess in like 2017, and went right into the no go zones. There were shootings going on. There were gang war. There were actually gang war on between the migrant gangs that were coming in in the current era. So in like 2015 on versus the migrants that had been there since the 70s. And so you had like Somali gangs fighting Arab gangs basically, and the local actual native Swedes were just pretty much caught in the crossfire. This also led to massive expanse in, in rape numbers, which is something that of course we've seen across, you know, Sweden, Germany, Ireland. Now Conor McGregor talking about it, I guess he's running for president. He even says, talking about this issue and what they're turning Ireland into. So I, I think that, I think that it's an aspect of decolonization as much as anything else. I think it's an aspect of the legacy of World War II. You know, you could say if the Cold War hadn't happened, I, I think that a lot of things would have changed if, if communism wouldn't have happened, put it that way.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's.

[Jack]

It's very, very hard to say that, you know, what, what could have been otherwise, though.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what, what Blake is getting at though is what about Islam makes these once great peoples? They obviously genetically have the brain power to succeed. And Persians are not dumb. Right? Genetically. What is it about Islam in practice that turns once great places into hellholes?

[Blake]

So, and this is the thing that you can debate because there was like an Islamic golden age, as they'll say, where like, it seemed Islam was.

[Charlie Kirk]

They mention that all the time.

[Blake]

Yeah, they mention it all the time. But what's funny is when they were in their golden age, it was some Arab Muslim rulers on top of societies that were not really Muslim yet. So Egypt was, I think, over 50% Christian probably. They're not sure until when, but maybe until like the 1200s or so. Same with larger. I mean, the Middle east in general was maybe 25, 30% Christian until World War I. And one factor that seems actually really interesting is in like the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages, Christianity, we don't know exactly why this was, but they got really gung ho that there's one sin God hates more than any other, and it's consanguineous marriage. You can't marry your cousins anymore. And so. And we have Evidence of this. Like a ruler, you know, a pagan king would convert to Christianity and he'd write a letter to the bishop or the Pope and say, okay, I'm a Christian now, what am I supposed to do? And we have some of the responses that they wrote back and it was always kind of three things. And they would say, observe the Sabbath. You'd like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love that.

[Blake]

They're observe the Lenten fast. Observe the fast.

[Charlie Kirk]

Love that.

[Blake]

And don't marry your cousin. You can't break any of the marriage rules. And so the marriage rules were obviously definitely no like marrying your nieces, your brother, sister. Don't marry your God children. That's equal level of incest. And then the big one is don't marry your first cousins. And sometimes they'd get stricter, your second cousin, your third cousin. And they're just, they're insanely gung ho about this. They, they never stop talking about it. They enforce it really hard. And a big theory is that this actually caused sort of the, it broke the sort of clannish systems of kinship that exist in most pre modern societies. You have a clan, you marry other people in your, in your clan. And this one just lowers your IQ because you kind of, you have a buildup of genetic dead weight. And it also makes it so you look to other people within your clan. You don't sort of have a group based more general altruism, for lack of a better term. And some people hypothesize that this basically helped launch western civilization on its big upward trajectory. And if you look at the worst parts of the Muslim world, which are some of the ones that we for whatever reason are the most gung ho to bring in, like Pakistanis who moved to Britain, other Pakistanis will tell you they're coming from the worst part of Pakistan.

[Charlie Kirk]

And Pakistan is not a great country.

[Blake]

Pakistan is not a great country. And they're coming from, I can't remember the name of it, but it's like one of the worst parts where they have not karach an over 90 rate of them. For example, marrying first cousins. And nice if you're from a society that where 90 of people marry their.

[Charlie Kirk]

First cousins, it actually lowers the genetic pool.

[Blake]

It lowers your genetic pool, it lowers your iq. And it, it, it just, it makes you backwards. It's weird to say, but not marrying your cousins is like a technological breakthrough on par with like the printing press or the steam engine. It's, it's the, it's the technological breakthrough of marry random people. You're not Related to.

[Charlie Kirk]

And isn't that also one of the reasons why our settlers to America were so strict about keeping family records?

[Blake]

That's a big driver.

[Charlie Kirk]

There was like this whole, like that the family records must be really kept so that when you meet a mate, we can both look and make sure. Yeah, yeah, because you, that was like a thing.

[Blake]

You can't break the marriage rules, man. And what's funny is this gets obscured because who we remember best are, you know, nobles. And nobles would get exemptions from this because, you know, noble marriages were so important. So you look at the, you know, the King of England and yeah, he has to, he marries his cousin for some complicated reason. But like you needed the Pope to sign off on that and the Pope was not signing off on that for, you know, random dirt farmer in the middle of France.

[Charlie Kirk]

And there are what, 40 Muslim majority countries?

[Blake]

45, 45, 50 or so.

[Charlie Kirk]

So the richest are obviously Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE and Bahrain, Bahrain, Brunei and then Iran. But Iran is actually a story of a once wealthy great power that's been made super compromised because of Islam.

[Blake]

Yeah. And I mean it was a much nicer country under the Shah who was nominally Muslim, but like very westernizing. And you have a common trend of this where you'll have some of the most successful leaders in Muslim countries, they'll say they're Muslim, they'll observe some external forms, but they're clearly they desire to modernize in a western direction and that's what the Shah would do. And it's not super easy to say how badly, like what's Iran's natural potential? Because to some extent we obviously sanction them a lot. But yeah, they clearly were at the absolute apex and they fall into being at best like a middle income country under, you know, many centuries of this faith they adopted.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I guess the last question is an important one. Is Islam capable of a reformation?

[Blake]

What I would say is I think they already had it. So the west, so for them, for example, like the age of colonialism, you know, they were dominant for a long time. The Ottoman Empire was a Muslim empire and they conquer half of Europe, they look like they make conquer Rome and suddenly it's 1850 and they're getting their butts kicked. The Europeans have all this technology they don't understand and they're whooping on them and they're getting colonized. And so what you get is Salafism. So Salafism, that is the ideology of Wahhabism, that's the ideology of Al Qaeda, it's the ideology of isis, Saudi funded. It's very much make Islam great again. Where they say we built up all this medieval stuff on top of Islam. We got away from the words of the Prophet. We need to go back to the basics and practice true Islam. I would say that spiritually is what a reformation would be.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack, final thoughts. Islam, the west, is it compatible?

[Jack]

Honestly, I don't think it's compatible. I think the west has Christianity at its core. The west has always been majority Christian since we've had the rise of Christianity and since the advent of Western civilization as we know it today. They are indelibly linked and America has always been a Christian majority nation and continues to be a Christian majority nation. And America is at its best when our moral core is Christian.

[Tyler]

Tyler, I'm still thinking about that white kid in Canada who's eating bacon.

[Charlie Kirk]

And while you're getting that ad served.

[Tyler]

To you and why I'm getting that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ad served, that's what started this thing.

[Blake]

Is that the Islamic reformation that they'll start eating really.

[Tyler]

It did really incidentally start this whole thing. And if you're getting these ads too, you should immediately delete Instagram. I think. I think that's what you should do. Just knock it off. Take a full Ramadan to think about it.

[Charlie Kirk]

We want to hear from you. What do you guys think? Freedomarliekirk.com Till next week, keep on committing thought crimes. The west and Islam, are they compatible? Thanks guys, Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Blake]

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