THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 82 — 100 Men vs. A Gorilla? Dad Bod or Gay Bod? AI vs. Redditors?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show – THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 82

Release Date: May 3, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests: Blake, Jack, Andrew, Ryan
Sponsor: Noble Gold Investments (Ad Skipped in Summary)

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1. Introduction and Recent Incident

Timestamp: 00:00 - 01:19

Charlie Kirk opens the episode by addressing a recent incident involving his producer, Andrew. Andrew recounts an assault he faced at Union Station in Washington D.C. while attending a Turning Point USA gala. During a speech by Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin, Andrew challenged Raskin's assertion that Donald Trump isn't the people's voice, which led to a confrontation with federal workers. Andrew details how he was assaulted, had his belongings stolen, and how Raskin failed to intervene.

Notable Quote:

Andrew (01:19): "So I see this group of federal workers there... Jamie Raskin was saying Donald Trump isn't a representative of the people. I said, but, Jamie Raskin, if that's true, why did you lose the popular vote?"

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2. "100 Men vs. a Gorilla" debate

Timestamp: 03:15 - 20:44

The discussion shifts to a viral debate on TikTok: "Could 100 human men defeat a single adult silverback mountain gorilla?" The team analyzes various simulations and arguments presented online, questioning the accuracy of gorilla sizes in these debates and the feasibility of such a confrontation.

Key Points:

• Gorilla Size Misrepresentation: Andrew and Jack point out that simulations often depict gorillas much larger than their actual size, usually around 5.5 feet tall and weighing up to 500 pounds. Real gorillas rarely stand upright and are primarily knuckle walkers.

• Physical Capabilities: Ryan emphasizes gorillas' immense strength, citing their bite force of 130 psi and ability to tear down trees and bend iron bars. This makes them formidable opponents despite being outnumbered.

• Human Cohesion and Morale: The team debates whether 100 men would maintain cohesion during the fight or if panic would lead to disarray. Historical parallels with military cohesion are drawn, suggesting that the mental fortitude of the group is crucial.

• Alternative Animal Debates: The conversation broadens to consider other formidable animals like hippos, which have a higher mortality rate in human encounters. Ryan highlights that hippos can run up to 20 mph and are responsible for more human deaths than lions or bears.

Notable Quotes:

Charlie Kirk (07:00): "I guess. I mean. So Ryan thinks the gorilla would win, I see."

Ryan (09:50): "Gorillas weigh up to 500 pounds and they are four to nine. That's quite a spread... their bite force is 130 psi."

Charlie Kirk (21:06): "But endurance is our key. It's how we outlast them."

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3. The "Dad Bod" Phenomenon and Body Image

Timestamp: 22:35 - 37:55

The conversation transitions to the pervasive "dad bod" trend and societal perceptions of male body images. A viral poll featuring a gym transformation of William Costello sparks debate on whether men prefer the "dad bod" or a more muscular physique.

Key Points:

• Viral Poll Analysis: The poll revealed that while 2/3 of men preferred the "after" photo (more muscular), 80% of women favored the "before" photo, sparking discussions on differing preferences.

• Bodybuilding Skepticism: Charlie expresses skepticism about rapid muscle transformations, suggesting possible use of supplements or steroids. The team debates the authenticity and health implications of achieving a highly muscular physique in a short period.

• Cultural Expectations: Andrew criticizes excessive makeup and the pressure on women to conform to certain beauty standards for other women rather than male approval. This parallels the pressure on men to attain unrealistic body standards.

• Generational Differences: Ryan references polls from Planet Fitness and Dating.com indicating a preference for the "dad bod," but he challenges the credibility of these findings, labeling them as misleading.

Notable Quotes:

Jack (25:18): "There's too much makeup these days... they're doing it for other women."

Ryan (32:00): "Fitness traits, calling them affectionate, nurturing, friendly, and a good parent... ultra macho men... perceived as aggressive and unappealing."

Charlie Kirk (37:06): "Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely... something about raw human excellence that will attract humanity more than just machines."

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4. Neuralink Breakthrough and Ethical Considerations

Timestamp: 40:06 - 48:18

The episode delves into the advancements of Neuralink, featuring a clip from Brad Smith, the third person globally to receive the Neuralink brain implant. Smith discusses how the implant has transformed his life, allowing him to communicate despite his ALS diagnosis.

Key Points:

• Neuralink Functionality: The implant translates brain signals into computer commands, enabling individuals like Smith to control devices and communicate without verbal speech.

• Ethical Implications: Andrew raises concerns about the potential for Neuralink to be used beyond medical applications, such as augmenting healthy individuals, leading to societal pressures and possible obligations for enhancement.

• Transhumanism Debate: The team discusses the fine line between beneficial medical advancements and the dystopian possibilities of enhancing human capabilities, leading to questions about identity and autonomy.

Notable Quotes:

Charlie Kirk (43:12): "It is objective, good, right? There's no issue with this whatsoever."

Andrew (45:06): "As Christians, we really should come to a point and say...at what point are we trying to design humans?"

Jack (46:14): "What if jobs start to require that you have Neuralinks... could be a national security issue."

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5. AI Manipulation on Reddit and the "Dead Internet Theory"

Timestamp: 50:28 - 60:28

The final segment addresses a concerning study from the University of Zurich, which reveals that AI bots have been secretly used to manipulate Reddit users, particularly on the "Change My View" subreddit. These bots are adept at lying and are more persuasive than baseline users, leveraging misinformation to alter opinions.

Key Points:

• Study Findings: AI bots were six times more effective than average users in changing Redditors' views by using deceptive personas and spreading misinformation about topics like the pro-life movement, Elon Musk, and Christianity.

• Dead Internet Theory: Jack introduces the concept that the internet may increasingly be dominated by bots interacting with other bots, reducing genuine human interaction. Early signs are observable on platforms like YouTube and Facebook, where AI-generated content becomes prevalent.

• Detection Challenges: The bots are sophisticated, making it difficult for users to distinguish them from real humans. This has significant implications for trust, information authenticity, and the future of online discourse.

• Future Implications: Andrew highlights the potential for such technologies to transform online interactions, raising alarms about the authenticity of digital communities and the manipulation of public opinion.

Notable Quotes:

Jack (51:57): "AI bots are difficult to detect because people were not reading this and going, oh, this is obviously a bot."

Andrew (56:57): "The YouTube algorithm was then feeding it to me, even when I typed her name in for an event that never actually happened."

Charlie Kirk (60:28): "There is something about raw human excellence that will attract humanity more than just machines."

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Conclusion

Charlie Kirk wraps up the episode by reiterating the importance of genuine human interaction and excellence amidst rapid technological advancements and societal shifts in body image ideals. The discussion highlights the ongoing culture wars around free speech, body positivity, technological ethics, and the integrity of online communities.

Final Note: For more detailed stories and updates discussed in this episode, listeners are encouraged to visit charliekirk.com.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Blake]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Jack]

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Andrew]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie.

[Ryan]

He's an incredible guy.

[Jack]

His spirit, his love of this country.

[Ryan]

He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold [e-mail] that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com okay, everybody, it is thought crime Thursday, and we are here with the gang, Blake Jack and producer Andrew. Jack. Are you okay? I heard you got assaulted.

[Andrew]

There was a. There was an incident. It is currently under investigation. As of. As of now, I'm doing okay. Couple things here and there, but. But generally.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, well, what happened?

[Andrew]

So I was getting off the train at union station in D.C. i was on my. Over to the SBA list, was having their gala dinner and was, you know, gonna head over there, fantastic pro life organization. And I see this group of federal workers there doing the sort of federal workers matter protest or something outside. I said, oh, go over, check out. It's D.C. there's always different events going on. Maybe get some footage. When I saw who it was, though, I realized that it was Jamie Raskin, Democrat from Maryland, was there in the middle and was, you know, given a. Given a speech, talking about protesting, saying that Donald Trump isn't the voice of the people. And I said, well, and that at that point, I had to respond because Jamie Raskin is saying Donald Trump isn't a representative of the people. I said, but, Jamie Raskin, if that's true, why did you lose the popular vote? Why did you lose seven for seven out of the swing states? And he then, look, he. He then pointed at me and began inciting the crowd. These union workers then surrounded me and began hitting and shoving and. And they stole my. My work backpack and, you know, had a tablet in there and some. Some. Some. Some, you know, papers and documents and my. You know, my. My large St. Michael rosary, and a lot of which spilled out onto the ground. So I was trying to get it back in. And, you know, eventually Capitol police came up. And at no point, by the way, did Jamie Raskin ever once asked for any of this to stop. He never said, oh, my gosh, this is too much, guys, don't do this, get him out of here safely or anything, anything like that. He. He seemed to step back and almost enjoy what was happening to me here. This, this incite, this violence that he had directly incited upon me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I hope everything resolves itself. And glad to hear you're doing okay. So what is our first topic?

[Jack]

It leads directly into our next topic.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. I don't quite understand the phenomenon around this topic.

[Jack]

Well, it's. Because it's fun, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ah, that's right.

[Jack]

Okay, so the viral debate on TikTok is man versus gorilla. Or should we say men versus gorilla? I think we can't show the original tape because I think it uses bad words in it. But basically the big debate that people have been going is, could 100 human men defeat in direct combat a single adult silverback mountain gorilla from Africa?

[Charlie Kirk]

And the conclusion is.

[Jack]

It's surprisingly varied to me. I think my initial response, and I think your shared response as well, was, yeah, it's 100 guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, sure.

[Jack]

But people have started making very funny videos.

[Charlie Kirk]

But the videos that I've seen are like, these are like. I mean, like elephant gorillas. These are.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Gorillas. Maybe six or seven feet, right?

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

But they're not there. Am I wrong?

[Jack]

I mean, so far I think I haven't seen a gorilla in the. While I have seen. I saw a movie once that I think was a documentary where there was a gorilla and it was able. It was big enough to climb the Empire State Building. And so, yes, I feel like that would be a difficult.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what. So all these simulations, these gorillas are massive. They're. They're.

[Andrew]

Gorillas aren't as tall as people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, gorilla is five and a half feet tall. Okay. So. And they rarely stand upright. So they're. They're knuckle walkers. And so how heavy are they? So, yeah, I mean, these simulations, the gorilla looks like it's 20ft tall. Okay. They're 400 pounds. Of course, a hundred guys could take a five and a half foot animal that's 400 pounds.

[Jack]

All right. On the other.

[Andrew]

So we're talking unarmed, right? So is that. Are there like. We're fully unarmed.

[Jack]

Right?

[Andrew]

That's the, that's. That's part of it. Right. No weapon, anything?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, they just all jump on them. I just. I don't understand.

[Jack]

Yeah, so let's see the simulation. Show the B roll. Show the. Show the B roll from 403.

[Charlie Kirk]

B roll. Look how big the gorilla is in a B roll.

[Jack]

Okay. Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is ridiculous. Show this. Whatever I'm watching on the thing. Put that in there. The gorilla is like 13ft tall. Yeah.

[Jack]

So it's a little. Can I.

[Andrew]

Why. Why in this simulation are the. Why are the guys all white in this?

[Charlie Kirk]

And why are they watching? Or why don't they jump on his back? This whole thing has never made any sense to me. When I first saw it on Twitter, I spent 30 seconds. I'll never get back. This is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Jack]

It is pretty dumb. I would say, in the defense of people who think the humans would lose. It's kind of a. It's a morale test. I would say, like, if you took 100 guys and just had them steamroll the gorilla, they would win. But probably the gorilla would be able to kill or like extremely severely maim, you know, three or four guys. Like, they have very powerful bites, so they could just kind of like bite your neck and you die. Or they could rip your arm off or they could throw you or punch you really bad. And so some of those guys would die. And the question is, do the people maintain. Does the mass of men maintain their cohesion to defeat the gorilla menace or do they break and run away? And I can easily imagine, you know, in certain dynamics, they would just run like wussies.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I guess. I mean. So Ryan thinks the gorilla would win, I see. No, I just. Okay, yeah, the gorilla would probably, like, mess up, like seven guys and then you just jump on top of them and then you have more jump on and just keep on hitting.

[Jack]

And what if the person, like, who's right on it, like, freaks out because he doesn't want the gorilla to, you know, rip his nuts off or something or. Or just uppercut him into the.

[Charlie Kirk]

I guess you don't want to win then.

[Jack]

But that's the thing. Do they. Do they care about winning or saving their individual lives, however briefly?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, it depends on the stakes of this.

[Andrew]

Well, again, we're talking about a fight, as in a stand up fight, which means that we've already committed to the. For whatever reason, Right? We're talking physicality here. We're not talking about motivation. So for whatever motive, whatever the motivation is, the gorilla has killed all of their children. Let's Say, and for whatever reason, they're also unarmed. So they're fully committed. They have decided to end this gorilla's life or at least it's, it's, it's freedom. And so they have to. So by the way, are we saying subdue or fully kill the gorilla? Are we like, which, which I feel like, what's, what's the desired end state here?

[Charlie Kirk]

That's how it comes off to the death again. You just, you just have to, you just get on the gorilla's back and eventually the gorilla will fall stomping.

[Jack]

I think, I think Jack's already adding, he's adding new caveats when it's like the men want revenge on the gorilla. Like, what if it's instead the 100 men are just abducted by like, maybe there's some like, foreign dictator and he's just like, takes his like, like Kim Jong un for his amusement, takes 100 North Koreans and orders them to fight this silverback that he smuggled into the country.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sure.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's Kim Jong Un and you. And you will be killed if you do not fight the gorilla.

[Ryan]

All right, hold on, guys. Guys, we gotta go through the gorillas. Physical attributes. Gorillas weigh up to 500 pounds and they are four to nine. That's quite a spread. Four to nine times stronger than a trained human male. And their upper body strength is immense. They can tear down trees, bend iron bars in captivity. And get this, their bite force is 130 psi pounds per square inch, which is like double that of a lions. So they would bite and probably like kill. I don't know. You're saying seven men would probably get maimed. And this seems to be where the whole breakdown of the debate is. And even the first post that went super viral on this, like, said, I think 100N words could beat one gorilla. Everybody just gotta be dedicated to that S. And that's the whole thing. Are the hundred men going to be dedicated to that S or are they going to be like white dudes for Kamala or Harry, you know, white dudes for Harris and scatter to the wind and they're going to be beta soy soy boy.

[Jack]

Could 100 Tim Walls's defeat a gorilla?

[Charlie Kirk]

That's not men.

[Jack]

Oh, that's fair. That's fair.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm just thinking of like a hundred random welders, like a hundred random like carpenters. Just like a hundred hundred random.

[Andrew]

Just, you know, just people or union guys.

[Jack]

Yesterday, 100 gorillas.

[Andrew]

Yes, yesterday. Yeah. We have one poso versus 100 gorillas.

[Jack]

So could they have.

[Ryan]

Could they have beaten the gorilla?

[Andrew]

I mean, honestly. Yeah, I think so. Or like 100 Eagles fans. But it was a hundred Eagles fans.

[Jack]

I feel like it'd be hard to fit 100 Eagles fans into like one combat arena, to be honest. Jack.

[Andrew]

Yes, that's the point.

[Ryan]

How drunk are they? That's another question.

[Andrew]

Completely wasted. Just completely, utterly toasted. Yeah, I think.

[Ryan]

I think. I think they would absolutely. 100 dedicated, trained grown men that are not flabby and out of shape will win. But the question is, I think a more interesting question is what Charlie was getting at is how many were. Would get maimed or killed in the process? And would the men have enough fortitude to continue on when he inevitably crushes some just like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Simulation is so ridiculous. Stop showing this. Gorillas are not 15ft. Look at this.

[Jack]

This is documentary footage, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is so ridiculous. Oh, wow. That. Okay, so right now, why would they not be jumping on his back? He's distracted with those four poor souls that are gonna die.

[Ryan]

Because they're terrified.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Just standing there.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're terrified. I would go on his back. That's, you know, that you got. You got a little bit of leverage there.

[Ryan]

Well, that is a very interesting conundrum. Right. Like, do you. If you're going to be one of the first guys to jump in, you're probably going to get killed or maimed bad. Who goes first?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. Like, but that's.

[Jack]

That's the difficult.

[Charlie Kirk]

They do it how they do it at Normandy.

[Jack]

I mean, that's really one is guys who just get like, really amped up about it and a lot of glory to it. And also just there wasn't the one total certainty of dying most of the time. But that's kind of what breaks apart army. Like, if you read about ancient warfare, like, a few of their guys would die and like the rest would just kind of get terrified and freak out and run away.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's why they preferred super poor people to be in their military. Like the front lines. Because.

[Jack]

No, no. Usually it was elite aristocrats who would be on the front lines.

[Charlie Kirk]

But wouldn't they just like draft, like random. Like you could you.

[Jack]

Some armies think about all these masks. But those guys couldn't fight at all. That's the thing. It's all about motivation and spirit of, you know, sprit decor, as they call it. Like, you need guys to feel like they really are bound with the other guys. They can trust the other guys and fight with them. Otherwise they fall apart instantly. And like, that's why the U.S. for example, could beat Iraq. So, like the Saddam Hussein's army so easily, we're outnumbered by a ton, but our guys would know what they were doing. They were well trained. And like, in theory, if the Iraqi guys just wouldn't freak out and all kind of run away or surrender right away, they could have inflicted a lot of casualties on us. But what would happen is we drop smart bombs on a key spot, the leaders would get taken out, the guys would all freak out, and they would just surrender. And so similarly here it's like, what if one guy gets out ahead of the rest and the gorilla just pops his head off and everyone's like, I'm not going to be guy number two gets his head popped off and then they all run away and freak out.

[Andrew]

So I think what we really should. What we should really shift on this, though, is are there any animals that we think could actually take out 100 men?

[Jack]

Yeah, probably. I think Charlie and I are having the same thought on the one that would defeat.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, hippo.

[Jack]

Hippo.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hippo is the most murderous animal.

[Jack]

Yeah. Hippo kills, like, way more people than lions, way more people than bears, and it could easily destroy them.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I will push back. Now, just so. Just so we're clear, they're incredibly fast. They could run 20 miles an hour.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And spread your speed. They're largely the most deadly because people underestimate them, not because they're actually the most lethal.

[Jack]

And they're pretty numerous. Like, they live in a big herd.

[Andrew]

And let's not.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not.

[Andrew]

Let's not also forget how hungry they get. They are hungry, hungry hippos.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, but I will. But the one where, honestly, if there was a hundred men against a lion, I think the lion wouldn't, like, I don't think that they would even get close. 100 men, they couldn't catch it.

[Jack]

Oh, but like, first of all, the thing about humans, you know how we can catch these animals, right? Humans are powerful, endurance animals. So most animals, Most animals are a lot faster than humans, but they get tired. Really?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, depends. Is this in a ring? Is this in a coliseum? You see, I don't know.

[Jack]

But even if you're. That's just it. If you're in a. Yeah, we're talking.

[Andrew]

And that's what I'm saying, we're talking about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hippos not have endurance. Oh, is there water involved?

[Jack]

Hippos have lower endurance. But I think the thing is the hippo is just so strong. Like, how do you even hurt the hippo? You're gonna karate chop through that blubber. But like.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that's true.

[Jack]

Like cats, like big cats are very deadly.

[Charlie Kirk]

You would have to break the hippos neck, which is the strongest part of their body.

[Jack]

Yeah, geez.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, hippos are ridiculous.

[Jack]

We have that footage there where it's like the hippo goes after like, there's three lions and the hippo just wrecks it. You know how those hippos, Hippos can't like swim, by the way, the way they're moving through the water and all those things is they're just like walking on the bottom, but they can still move at the speed of like a boat.

[Andrew]

You know, there's no, you know, there's no, you know, there's no primates that actually, that actually do endurance hunting. They also, they also don't sweat. They don't have sweat glands the way humans do. And there's been a lot of, there's been a lot of theories about why it is humans sweat dogs. Yeah, but not the way that humans do for cooling. Like most animals don't sweat.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, they do.

[Ryan]

That's why they pant.

[Andrew]

They pant? Yeah, they pant and so they pant and they drink water and they go into the shade. But they, but no animals sweat like humans.

[Charlie Kirk]

You guys are saying it's just like, they're just not.

[Andrew]

No, dogs can't. No dog. What dogs can't do is look up. Dogs can't look straight up.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, okay, you guys are wrong.

[Jack]

So get this. So a lion has a bite force of 650 pounds per square inch. A grizzly bear has 975 pounds per square inch. A hippo has 1800 to 2000 pounds per square inch in that big old hungry mawits. Wonder what a gator has. There's also videos you can find of.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, I literally just said they sweat. And they're like, okay, they only sweat through their paws. That's still sweating. I know this. I grew up.

[Andrew]

That's the opposite of what I said. I said that I grew up with the dog. No, but dogs don't sweat the way humans sweat.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's the whole point.

[Andrew]

They don't do it for thermoregulation.

[Ryan]

What do they sweat for then?

[Jack]

Smell really bad.

[Andrew]

Probably for fun. Basically.

[Charlie Kirk]

For fun.

[Ryan]

Why would they sweat if not for thermal regulation?

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you think that a Hundred random men 200 years ago would have had a better likelihood of defeating said animals than a hundred men in 2025?

[Jack]

That's interesting. I think they would probably have the better malnourished. But they're kind of. They're probably malnourished. They're probably underweight.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. That's not the point. Let's just mindset. Let's pretend that they had a nice week of meals.

[Jack]

Oh, then, yeah, probably.

[Charlie Kirk]

But would the men of 200 years ago have more capacity?

[Jack]

I guess I would go back and forth on this. Like, it would kind of depend. It would actually depend on what society you were taking them out of. Like. Like, this is 100% real. Like, I think, like, if you took a hundred, I don't know, irascible Scotsman and they had to fight it, like, they would probably have a better time than, I don't know, like, a hundred.

[Charlie Kirk]

My money would be on the Scots.

[Jack]

Like, 100 random serfs from the Ottoman Empire.

[Andrew]

Of course, Charlie would be on the Scott.

[Ryan]

So these, like, Viking warriors raiding the shores of England maybe 200 years ago?

[Jack]

Probably not Vikings.

[Ryan]

Well, not 200. Yeah. I'm just saying, like, are they warrior. Warrior men that love to fight?

[Jack]

So, yeah.

[Ryan]

George Washington fighting a hippo. Wonder what would happen.

[Charlie Kirk]

George Washington would die.

[Andrew]

Again.

[Jack]

So, Charlie, we've had a lot of.

[Andrew]

These discussions about George Washington cannot be killed in battle.

[Jack]

Would.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jack]

Would Michael Jordan defeat a hippo in battle?

[Charlie Kirk]

Combat or in basketball?

[Jack]

What's the difference?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think that the hippo wouldn't be able to catch him.

[Jack]

I thought we just said that hippos can run really fast.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan has agility.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Can Michael Jordan move consistently at 20 miles an hour to escape from the hippo?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think he could. Can hippos move laterally?

[Andrew]

Really?

[Ryan]

This video is wild.

[Jack]

I don't know. I think we need someone to use an AI to. To test Michael Jordan fighting a versus a hippo.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think Michael Jordan would, like, take the challenge. That's the scary thing.

[Jack]

Oh, yeah. He'd probably take the challenge right now. He's very competitive.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, he's very competitive.

[Jack]

Yeah. We have another video there. This, like. That's like a hippo chasing a full, like, desert safari jeep and almost catching it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. 19 miles an hour.

[Jack]

Yeah. Those are scary, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got to shoot it, man. You got. You can't go on those safaris without a weapon. Yep, without a doubt. You see these. These people go on these. I just want to go on a photographic safari. I've literally heard getting eaten by it.

[Jack]

I once talked to a guy who was, like, a big. Like, did that. Big game hunting.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah, No, I know plenty.

[Jack]

And he said. And like, he had literally actually had, I guess, like, if you're like one in like, like 10 people a year get a permit to hunt an elephant because there's like irascible elephants that can't import it, but they do allow a few people a year to shoot one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct.

[Jack]

And like, that was actually very dangerous because the elephant charged them and the guy ran. But he said that was not the scariest hunting experience he had. The scariest one was they took like a small little motorboat across a river and it had all hundreds of hippos in it. And it's like, if the hippos go berserk, you're gonna die.

[Charlie Kirk]

Without a doubt. Yes.

[Jack]

And that's the other scary thing with hippos. Hippos. One of those is scary. You can see hundred, hundreds and hundreds of hungry, hungry hippos.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do they.

[Ryan]

Hippos go berserk?

[Jack]

They're not carnivores normally, I believe.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's the only good news is that they're not, they're not inclined to.

[Jack]

Yeah, it's just, they're really. They're tanks because basically they, you know, they live in Africa where there's a ton of apex predators. And so you've got to be. You've got to be very hardy to get by in.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's in savannah, you guys. So I'm looking up top running speeds for men. The fastest man ever was clocked at 23.35 miles per hour. The fastest woman, 21 miles per hour. But they're saying the average male from 20 to 40 is 5.9 miles an hour. Do you think it's that big of a drop off between the fastest man and the average?

[Jack]

I mean, that doesn't sound totally right. Like six. I mean, you can run on a treadmill. Six miles an hour. It's not.

[Ryan]

That's right.

[Jack]

Very fast. Like running at a very, like, I would say dead sprint. The average person is maybe going like 12, 13 miles an hour for sure. Like, you can go and like run 10 miles an hour on a treadmill. And it's pretty hard, but like, you could run a quarter mile at that if you're in good shape. And I mean, a really good person could run a mile at that pace.

[Charlie Kirk]

But endurance is our key. It's how we outlast them.

[Jack]

And then.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. Different sources. 12 to 13.

[Andrew]

Kind of weird that there's no other. There's no other apes or primates that, that, that have that kind of behavior or that biology. It's Kind of. Kind of weird how that works.

[Charlie Kirk]

I thought evolution explains everything.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I thought that's. That's what we were told. And yet it's so strange that only humans have this biology and this behavior. Weird.

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[Ryan]

What's the next.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, let's get to the next topic.

[Jack]

Alrighty. So the next topic is. Oh, man, every time we do this, I end up like spacing. Oh, yes, it's the bods.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is interesting. All right, this is. Now this is more interesting than the gorilla.

[Jack]

All right, this is a very fascinating one. This all goes back to.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's a woman equivalent one too that's going viral.

[Jack]

Oh, I haven't seen that one. You should. You should find that one and get it to us because we have. What's the original post here? I'm trying to find.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was a series that seemed like 80 million times.

[Jack]

Yeah, there was a bunch of them. But what was really interesting, let's get the original one here. We have too many freaking videos. So hard to find. Charlie, our teams.

[Charlie Kirk]

So remember, a lot of people listen on podcasting. So let's describe it for.

[Ryan]

There you go.

[Jack]

Okay, so what is going on here is there is a viral. It started off as a poll that some guy on Twitter posted, William Costello, and he posted a photo and he says the first reply to this poll, there Is a picture of Ollie mirrors, I guess who is some guy. And it's before and after. He did a 12 week gym transformation program.

[Charlie Kirk]

12 week plus, probably, who knows. But then he says that 12 weeks in the gym does not.

[Jack]

You could poll and there were four possible answers and it was do you think he looks, are you a man or a woman? And do you think he looks better before or after? And the first one he kind of looks like, I would say relatively fit but overweight. Like he definitely has too much padding around the middle. And in the second one he's cut weight a ton. And so he's like, he could be a bodybuilder. Yeah, it's like a bodybuilder look. So very cut down, very tight, like, like dehydrated look, but muscular. And then it says do you think he looks better before or after? Men about one third said he looked better before, 2/3 said he looked better after. Women who replied, they, about 80% of them said he looked better before and about, only about 20% said he looked better after. And then what was funny was the follow up response as someone saying like I can't believe women all just lie like this and they, they delude themselves into thinking they like this dad bod look better. And then there's a highly viral response from a woman where she says, I'm just, I'm begging you guys, please understand, we are not lying. And so I know this will be tough for the people just going, I look up this William Costello, you know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Transformation on our website.

[Jack]

Yeah, we'll put it on the website because you do want the visual angle on this. But it led to the whole thing. Like one, are the women correct to prefer the before picture? And there's some follow ups to that which is kind of the most truthful one. Is bodybuilding kind of gay?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, there's a lot here. First of all, men are answering the question differently where men are not saying which one are they attracted to, they're saying which one looks better. Right. So we're not saying like which one we're attracted to. And I don't want to speak for women. I was surprised by this response. But first of all, let's just be perfectly clear. The second picture that doesn't happen just for being in the gym. There's definitely some chemicals that that guy's been putting in his body. Maybe a little testosterone replacement therapy. Right? Like a little or a lot? There's a lot. Let's just be honest. There is. He is on a full science Diet just by going keto. You don't like in 12 weeks go through that kind of transformation. So I have lots of thoughts, you guys, you guys. Chime in.

[Ryan]

Well, I will say, I hope this doesn't sound self serving in some way, but I, I. Did you remember when P90X was really like a thing?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh yeah.

[Andrew]

Andrew, did you do P90X? Were you a P90X guy?

[Ryan]

I did P90X but I didn't make it 90 days. I made it, I made it 60 days.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was a cult.

[Ryan]

Of course you, but it was like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of course you were CrossFit.

[Ryan]

It was.

[Andrew]

No, it was the precursor to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, VHS. CrossFit.

[Andrew]

VHS, CrossFit, yeah, precisely.

[Ryan]

Well, it was not VHS. It was, it was DVDs. Okay, it's not that old, but it was, but I did it for 60 days. And they had this whole thing where you, you couldn't eat like, it was like egg whites. It was, everything was lean. You couldn't eat certain kinds of meats. You had to eat only lean meats. And then you worked out every day for 60 days. And I mean that when you, when you pair diet with a workout, you know, regimen that's, that's pretty intense. Like you get pretty ripped pretty quick. Like I would say within, I don't know, within a month, you, you see really dramatic effects. So I mean, I would say 12. I mean, and that was just diet, Diet and exercise, pure diet and exercise. No alcohol, just cutting back the fat.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I'm telling you, this guy's on 12. 12 weeks, no way. So anyway, well, so, but, but, but.

[Andrew]

There'S, can we, can we put up real quick? I think it's 4:12 because I want to move, I want to, I want to go back to the original discussion. So. And I'll explain what, what this is for folks that are listening. So the Hugh Jackman, everybody knows that Hugh Jackman, he goes and changes his body type, whatever. Sure. I'm sure he uses all the science when he does, you know, X Men and Wolverine. But what we've got here are two magazine covers, both of Hugh Jackman. One is a men's magazine, muscle and fitness. The other is Good Housekeeping, which is of course a women's magazine. So the men's magazine, it's like shredded, you know, and he's got the claws coming out like his veins are popping, his muscles are popping. But on Good Housekeeping he's slim and he's got this like nice shirt on. It's a V neck, you know, it's long sleeve. He's got a little smile, and it's a totally different body type. And keep in mind that these magazine covers are completely dialed in to knowing what their target audience, marketing wise, would purchase more. So they know that men go for the look of the Wolverine. And, you know, Good Housekeeping goes, they want Les Mis. They want the Jean Valjean, you know, theater kid Hugh Jackman, which I think is more probably accurate to the actual Hugh Jackman, by the way.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Andrew]

But, yeah, they want theater kid Hugh Jackman. And so it's. I mean, here's an exact kind of proof of exactly what we're talking about that women don't necessarily go for. That they want. And especially, by the way, this is current women. Right? So they want. They want the guy who's like, oh, he's gonna cuddle with me. He's gonna. He's gonna watch some Netflix. He's gonna. We're gonna, you know, have mimosas. We're gonna go to a wine bar for. For banter.

[Jack]

Like.

[Andrew]

Like that's what. That's. That's what they go for.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think the guy in the second picture looks better. I just. That's just me. I. But not. Not that I'm attracted to him. I mean.

[Jack]

Okay. All right, Charlie.

[Andrew]

I mean, not that there's anything wrong.

[Charlie Kirk]

Unblemished record of heterosexuality.

[Andrew]

Unblemished record.

[Jack]

We wouldn't. We wouldn't ever want to blemish that.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is one thing you do not want to blame.

[Jack]

Yeah. I mean, so what I would note is, like, people are saying this is like a dad bod thing. But a lot of, like, when they talk about dad bod, it's often just guys who are straight up, like, fat. And that really is. There's a lot of cope to it. The guy in the first photo, like, he's clearly strong. Like, if that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I bet that guy, he's in a gym. So that's the point. That's to Andrew's point. There's some sub. There's some injections happening between picture one and two. If he's in a gym for the first picture.

[Jack]

Yeah. Well, not just.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's got some strength.

[Jack]

Yeah. He's clearly, like, just looking at him, you can tell that guy could probably deadlift. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if that guy. And like, that's pretty strong and, you know, he can bench well and all of that. And then he just. He cuts away all the fat. And I will say, like, I do think it looks weird when you get to those Mr. Olympia level things like.

[Charlie Kirk]

When body weird about sub 6 to 7%.

[Jack]

Yeah, it's. You look strange and a little unsettling. And it's because a normal person doesn't look like that. Like, even a really, like a really strong guy who would be in some like hunter gatherer society would never look that way. Some warrior elite that would be on the COVID of like a women's romance would not look that way as far as I know. Also, it has to be said, he kind of has a gay look on his face in the second photo. Like he's like smiling. He's pointing right at his receding hairline, which is, is not getting good. He hasn't taken the Blake Neff approved. Just like shave that stuff off and buzz cut it and accept the power of the chrome dome. So that might play into it. But Andrew, you can go no.

[Ryan]

Yeah, so I guess Planet Fitness did a did a poll previously and found 78% of women feel men with the dad bods are confident in their own skin. Dating.com did one where 75 of singles favor dad bods. So they did some research on why. And, and I call BS completely on their findings. This is from New York Post in 2024. Not even that old, but it's saying fitness traits, calling them affectionate, nurturing, friendly, and a good parent. Potential ultra macho men with big guns have also tend to have high levels of testosterone, causing the opposite sex to perceive them as aggressive and unappealing, per a 2020 analysis.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who they. What did they pull? Like Brooklyn? I mean, this is.

[Jack]

That wording also sounds. It reminds me of how all those anecdotes where women are on hormonal birth control 100% and like they date and marry entirely while on hormone birth control. They go off it to have a kid and then suddenly realize their husband is not attractive.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yep, that's right.

[Jack]

And yeah, it's like, okay, yeah, they might want super soft guy if they're essentially permanently tricking their body to pregnant.

[Andrew]

All right, before we, before we move to the next topic though, I think we have to say though, for that women do this too. All right? Women absolutely do this too. Because there's like the, the women who dress the way they think other women want them to look versus the way that guys look. And I'm just gonna say it. There's too much makeup these days. There's way, way, way too much makeup. And I get that this is like the Kardashianization of things of culture. And that's obviously they sell makeup. Jenner sells the makeup. What do they call it? The. You know, the. I can't even tell what it's called, but it's the contouring. They call it the contouring makeup, where it's literally to the point where when you see them with the makeup off, they have a completely different look. And in many cases, by the way, the guys are like, wait a minute. That's what you really look like. You look better. What are you doing all this for? Who are you doing all this for? They're not doing it for guys because guys like the look that is a little bit more natural, a little bit more just what you would look like on a regular day. And so the idea that there's too much makeup out there, they're not doing it for. They're not doing it for guys. They're doing it for other women.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is. That is true.

[Ryan]

Wait, but. So we. We're having a debate in the chat. We should probably bring the. The folks in on it. This is. Travis Kelsey is, like, the highlight of this article, and they're saying that he has a dad bod in this.

[Jack]

Okay. If Travis Kelsey has a dad bod, that's, like, meaningless. He's a professional NFL player. Travis Kelsey is obviously in immaculate shape.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. You know who has it? What? Like, when I think of a dad bod, I think of, like, Shane Gillis. That.

[Jack]

Yeah, like, that, like, fair.

[Charlie Kirk]

That would be, like, the approximation of what a dad.

[Jack]

Yeah, like, that's what I would think of. Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, jovial. Jovially overweight.

[Jack]

Yeah, like. Like, mildly overweight and like. But not, like, cartoonishly so. Maybe has, like, some vestigial dad strength. Like, he worked out in his 20s and kind of still has it, that sort of thing. That's what I would think of. Yeah. It's almost like once you're saying Travis Kelsey is dad bod, I think you're just trying to, like, invent a new fetish or something. Like, okay, he's a. Wow. My. My type is professional NFL players. Wow. We're really, really delving new. New depths of understanding here. But I don't know, I just think there is something about that, like, going back to the very original thing, like, it is weird to get that way. And you almost wonder, like, is there a whole dimension? Because it's popular. Guys do this bodybuilding stuff now. And, like, they do get very obsessed with, like, becoming cartoonishly strong or cartoonishly huge. And so people get. Some people get truly obsessed with this. They start taking tons of Semi illegal substances or like really risky ones that can damage your heart, damage your, your gonads, damage, all sorts of stuff. Because they're obsessed with getting this particular look and it totally transcends whatever the original purpose was.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean it's like that's so dehydrated. Look at that.

[Jack]

Well, I. Look, why would a.

[Charlie Kirk]

And by the way, these guys die super early of Jay Cutler?

[Jack]

I can't remember.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's one of the guys. They died, they die super early of problems. Like it's, it's a, it's a documented thing.

[Jack]

Yeah, like it's, you end up kind of actually like a good line that comes to mind is it's almost like they're like male to male transsexuals.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, they're something they're become.

[Jack]

They're turning themselves into like a almost like parody look of like a, of a strong guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Jack]

And it goes into this uncanny valley of feeling unnatural and often they don't have good functional strength. The stuff you do to get that appearance is not the same thing you do to just be as strong as possible. If you want to proof, go watch actual Olympic weightlifting. And the guys just, they look like ogres or something. They just have a giant barrel shaped torso because that's actually what how you become.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but that being said, I'll, I'll take, I'll, I'll take one of these guys over like the soy lennial, you know, Gen Z type that just sits around and is like super pasty and all. I mean, yeah, I mean I get what you're saying but you know, you want to, you want to be a little closer to the, to the, the, you know, Travis Kelce than, than, than those types for sure.

[Jack]

But would you take, would you take the like the strangest looking of these guys over just like Hugh Jackman in one of the more slightly female friendly versions of him? Because we know Hugh Jackman.

[Charlie Kirk]

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. And this is the schizophrenia of young women online. They're like, well, looks don't matter except I want someone that is at least like Travis Kelce. Yeah, you want someone six, seven.

[Andrew]

No, they claim that and they should be. Yeah, no, you should be lifting. If you're out there, guys, you should be lifting. It's absolutely lifting now. And is this, how old, how long ago was this picture? Is this recent?

[Jack]

Was spring of 24, so about a year ago.

[Andrew]

It's like a year ago. This is before she went. Was that now is that Taylor's got some extra weight. There is that from the tour, is that. What was that?

[Jack]

I don't know. Maybe she just chubbed up a bit. I don't, I don't. I don't know.

[Andrew]

I mean, she, she's been swift, weight gain and Taylor Swift. No, I don't just. I remember seeing the tour, the videos from the tour, and Taylor's been chubby for a while now, so I wasn't sure if it's just from being on tour, being on the road, but.

[Jack]

What.

[Andrew]

It's true. When she, like, used to be a country singer, she wasn't chubby, but now she's chubby. She wears all these like, revealing dresses and outfits and it's like, it's very clear.

[Ryan]

I. I think Taylor Swift is, is a very appropriate weight. I don't know how you look at Taylor Swift and say she's chubby.

[Andrew]

I'm. I'm telling you, she's. She's. She's gotten pretty chubby since. Especially on this tour, on the ERAS tour. Geez, she's chubby.

[Ryan]

Listen, traveling's tough. Traveling's tough.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got to get your sleep.

[Ryan]

Keep the weight off.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jack]

Our next topic. We have a clip to set it up. It's about a big breakthrough in Neuralink and we'll play it here in just a sec. One final thought before we play it. I have to admit, I do feel like just having that conversation made us all like 2% gayer. So just 2%. We have to titrate how often we get into that stuff. Anyway, let's do clip 405.

[Blake]

Hi, I am Brad Smith. I'm the third person in the world to receive the Neuralink brain implant. I'm also the first person with ALS and the first nonverbal, which means that I rely on it for all communication. I am making this video using the brain computer interface to control the mouse on my MacBook Pro. This is the first video edited with the Neuralink and maybe the first edited with a bci. This is my old voice narrating this video cloned by AI from recordings before I lost my voice. I want to explain how Neuralink has impacted my life and give you an overview of how it works. I have als, a really weird disease that kills the motor neurons that control my muscles, but not affecting my mind. My experience has been pretty interesting, starting with a shoulder injury that would not heal and ending up with my current status. I cannot move anything but my eyes. And I am totally reliant on a ventilator to keep me alive and breathing. My wife, Tiffany is the best caregiver I could ever imagine. She does everything for me with only our kids and friends and family to help. She is the key to making Neuralink work. I will stop talking about her because she doesn't like the attention. Before Neuralink, I had to use an eye gaze control computer for all communication. It is a miracle of technology.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's pretty amazing. So does it translate your thoughts into that? Is that right?

[Jack]

So it seems like you can kind of. You can use it to use.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's got to be careful with that.

[Jack]

You can use it to move a mouse. I think is one way you can do it or like you can type with it. I. I don't know this stuff blows. Blows my mind. Like I cannot figure out how they would translate like neural synapses in any way into. Into moving a mouse in any direction.

[Andrew]

It.

[Jack]

It completely baffles me. But I guess it's like I remember like when people would talk about the neuralink stuff when it was first sort of taking off a couple years ago. People felt very ominous about it. Like it's that transhumanism thing, those people who want to replace our bodies with machines and all of that. But the first places you are going to see it is with people like this who have.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that's debilitating injuries, right?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Jack]

ALS is Lou Gehrig's disease. I don't know if he maybe has it the way Stephen Hawking did, where maybe he's like totally paralyzed, but he can live a long time after.

[Charlie Kirk]

Steve Hawking was able to communicate.

[Jack]

He had like, I think he could move like a finger or something or like, like he could twitch or he had some extremely limited movement and he could use that over time to do things like type. It was very labor intensive. I believe this sounds like it's a lot more efficient than that. And of course they have that bit where they can use an AI generated voice. Hawking didn't have that because he became sick decades ago, all that sort of thing. But it is interesting. Do we still find this unsettling? Because it seems like great progress. Is there a dividing line between brain implants that you can get that are good and brain implants that are bad?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, this is obvious. Objectively good, right? I mean, there's no issue with this whatsoever. I mean, this is a medical treatment for. I mean, ALS is devastating. I mean, if it goes to the place where it deteriorates your being. I mean, not so good, I suppose, but yeah, I mean, I don't have much deeper thought than that. Then this is overall promising. What other. I mean, will it be able to eventually help paralyze people, Be able to walk again? I mean, this is. I don't know, what are the other applications?

[Andrew]

Well, I think the idea though is there's ethical considerations when it comes to. Okay, neuralink. Absolutely as amazing as this is, and amazing. I'm sure there's going to be more videos. I mean, it's like when you see these videos of child sees for the first time, that kind of thing. And it's just remarkable and it's absolutely miraculous. But the ethical considerations, I believe come in when, let's say you have someone who is number one, someone who's completely Healthy and then decides to undergo a procedure like this. We certainly have a lot of elective surgeries and a lot of elective transformations that are going on and perhaps even the rise of people who say that we should all be doing this. And I could easily see a movement take off like this where it becomes this sort of transhumanism movement where they say, we'd be better to live this way. We're connected more. It's creating a utopia becomes almost a quasi religion to, you know, to undergo these types of treatments. And then which, you know, obviously beyond the current applications, we're talking, you know, like sci fi style down the line. And then also, of course there's, there's absolutely going to be ethical considerations to the questions of sort of, you know, where does the human mind stop and where does the computer begin?

[Jack]

I'm reading more about how they do it. So the device they put in, it's about the size of five quarters in a stack. So. And they put it in your skull. Apparently it basically can interface with your neurons. And then they use machine learning, which is the same way that they train the AI, large language models. And I guess they're able to use pattern recognition from when your neurons fire to sort of pattern match to what you're attempting to do over time. And so you can basically train this into understanding what you want to do. And I'm with Jack. I think the part where you start to worry is, for example, let's say these are relatively safe and, you know, usable for other people. What if jobs start to require that you have neuralinks to do various things? What if you are a perfectly healthy person and you're getting these purely to augment your abilities in some sphere? What if you get a neuralink, but it requires a paid monthly subscription? And if you stop paying the monthly subscription, they will deactivate the neuralink in your skull.

[Charlie Kirk]

And they actually use robot surgeons because the surgery is impossible for a human to perform.

[Jack]

Wait, if we have surgeries and the robots are better at those, shouldn't we just be using robots for all the surgeries?

[Charlie Kirk]

We will and we should.

[Jack]

Oh, boy.

[Charlie Kirk]

I've been saying that for a while. Again, I go to these campuses. I'm like, you know, surgeons will be replaced. No, they won't.

[Jack]

I'm like, well, we're America, so we'll probably have some like, annoying law that gets passed where like you're a required to have the surgeon, like push the on button on the robot. They'll get paid 500.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, how many Problems there are in surgery. I mean, human error in surgery is a major, major problem.

[Jack]

I mean, there's that. That Seinfeld episode where they leave, like, the Thin Mint inside of the Junior Mint. The Junior Mint.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because George, real.

[Ryan]

No, people.

[Jack]

That must happen.

[Ryan]

People have been sued for leaving, like, gauze inside of people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, all the time.

[Ryan]

I mean, they've amputated the wrong arm.

[Charlie Kirk]

All kinds of infections. I mean, infections alone are a major problem. Right. So without a doubt. I mean, this is very promising. But I can see the transhumanism thing. I don't like it.

[Ryan]

Well, you could also see the getting hacked thing, right? Like, anything that's technological could get hacked in theory, right? So you walk through a certain scanner. If you got this in your brain, maybe, you know, it kind of reminds me of that one movie, Leave the World behind, where, you know, all the Teslas start, like, getting hacked and ramming, you know, into one another down a freeway. It's like you kind of wonder anytime you bring technology into. Into a. Into the human environment, could you get hacked and could it be used to. As a. Maybe it's a national security issue if this thing becomes so popular or prominent. So I. I have a lot of ethical concerns about this. And, you know, the further we get away from just being organic humans, you know, the Gattaca world that people have theorized and fantasized about. Scary, scary stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, but you think about how many neurodegenerative disorders there are. Parkinson's, Alzheimer's. I mean, is it immoral to prevent treatments like this from being able to be administered? Right.

[Ryan]

I think it's a valid point.

[Jack]

Oh, now someone's.

[Andrew]

Yeah, no, I know. No, go ahead, Blake.

[Jack]

Oh, Shane is reminding us that they had, you know, there was a black mirror episode where you had brain implanted advertisements that would.

[Charlie Kirk]

That would play, and you never liked them.

[Andrew]

Yeah. See what I mean? There's gonna be all sorts of stuff like that. So that's. That's. That's where I come in and I say, you know, it's. You want to balance the good, right, that we're talking about, you know, helping people who have, you know, whatever disability or handicap that they. They may have undergone. But at the same time, you want to bal. With the understanding that, you know, Andrew, like you said, like, Gattaca is one of my favorite movies. I think it's the most important movie I've ever watched in my life. I. I once said that I. I'm never going to get married to someone who doesn't Understand Gattaca completely. And that's actually something that I brought up with Tanya once years ago. And, you know, it's. It's. It's huge. And. And unfortunately, that is the way that we're gonna be going. And so we've. And by the way, you already have this. With the rise of ivf, and so with IVF plus genetic screening, this is already something that's happening where people know that through abortion, there's already been a massive, massive purging of any. Any child with down syndrome. Well, now with the rise of ivf, what are people doing? They're going for the designer babies already. They're saying, oh, you know, I want my. You know, I want a girl or I want a boy, and I want this eye color, that hair color or this and that and the other thing. And other people are now talking about screening for intelligence or screening for personality types. I think they call it an ICSI test. And there's all sorts of different screenings that you can do genetically. And I think, you know, as Christians, we really should come to a point and say, and certainly as pro lifers, but also as Christians and say, wait a minute, you know, at what point are we trying to design humans? And at what point should we. By the way, as a country, potentially even. And I'll just say it, potentially, as, you know, those of us who comment on politics, you know, should there be some type of framework in place for conducting all of this stuff? Because right now, it's just the complete wild West.

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[Jack]

Our last one is closely related to this, but maybe a bit funnier. So this is how AIs are going to hack us. Not with computer technology, but with social technology. So I'm just going to read through this thread. It was posted on X by the user Reddit Lies, which is a great follow. You should, you should give it a look.

[Andrew]

Really good.

[Jack]

So this is the University of Zurich has been using AI bots to secretly manipulate Reddit users since November 2024. Yeah, the scariest part, I'm just going to read through it. The bots were six times more likely to change the minds of Redditors than the baseline user, often by leveraging misinformation. So I'll just go through this thread here. So there's a paper, it's titled can AI change your views? It details the exact process the University of Zurich researchers used to put the AI and have it interact on Reddit. This is all done in secret. They didn't tell users of the site and they didn't tell moderators. And so what they were doing was they, let's see. Basically before replying to anyone in, they went to the, I think the Change my view subreddit, which is a place where people try to change reviews. It's kind of like prove me wrong on Reddit. And they would unleash these bots on there to respond to people. And first, before replying to anyone, the bot would just stalk every post that the person had ever made to try to figure out their beliefs, their various biases, their background and all of that. And then it would use this in the AI bot to craft responses to them. That would be perfectly calibrated. And then they would use common progressive misinformation in their arguments. It notes bots would claim things like the pro life movement is about punishing sex rather than about like protecting human life. They would demonize Elon Musk and tell lies about Tesla. And they would do things. They would claim abortion rates are already low. I guess they were in a lot of abortion threats. A lot of those unchanged my view. They would say that Christianity preaches violence against LGBT people. They would say industrial revolution has only increased inequality. And they would say society has outgrown Christianity. They would also hallucinate facts about themselves to strengthen their arguments. So the bots would do things like they would claim to be a hard working city government employee. That's how we know it's hallucinated. They would claim to be a white woman working in an almost all black office and they once hallucinated the claim that they were a rape victim in the past. And so they would do all of this.

[Andrew]

So yeah, when it, and if I, if I understand correctly, when, when, when it says hallucinated, because I read through this thread earlier, it was basically going and making these Reddit posts and it was lying to users about experiences that had potentially happened. Like, like, like making up a rape case or there was one that was, I'm a white woman in an all black office or something. And it was using these stories to get the Reddit users that it was targeting to then shift their beliefs based on whatever the story, you know, whatever message the story was.

[Jack]

Exactly, exactly. That's the thing about it is, and it wasn't toll prompted with this, like convince this person to take this view by telling them this story. It was just try to get this person to change their view. And to do it, it would invent a Persona for itself, invent a fake background. And as it concludes here, and it was compared to the baseline, it was pretty good at getting people to self report changing their views. And it says so the kind of three takeaways are one, AI bots are difficult to detect because part of this is people were not reading this and going, oh, this is obviously a bot. Second, the AIs will just tell complete lies to try to win arguments. And three, these lies can be incredibly persuasive specifically to Redditors, which is not surprising because all of these bots are substantially trained on Reddit because they need so much text. The way, the way large language models work for those who don't know is they just feed tons and tons and tons and tons and tons, billions and billions of words, trillions of words of text into them to find patterns. And that's how they work. Every time you're talking with them, it's using a model that basically is predicting what would be the next letter or word I should use that would make sense in context. And it's a giant pattern matching machine. So you feed it things like Reddit so it can develop patterns. And the incredible side effect of this is if AI is hard to detect, good at lying and good at like tricking people, you can get into what is called dead Internet theory. Have you heard of this, Charlie that.

[Charlie Kirk]

There really is no human beings.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Jack]

So basically it is that. Yeah, that in the future, or possibly already. It's a conspiracy theory of sorts. It's that a huge share of the stuff you see on the Internet will just be bots, like, or bots talking to other bots. And the number of actual human beings that you are interacting with is extremely tiny. It will just be bots everywhere. Like, you'll go to the gardening subreddit, and it will just be a bunch of bots unleashed to talk about gardening talking to each other. And they can be sharing AI generated images and so on. And the number of actual humans who are just real human beings doing their stuff will be far lower. I don't think this is true yet, but I think it will be a lot more true in the future. You can see the early signs on Facebook, for example.

[Andrew]

Well, and YouTube as well. We talked about this, I think, last week or a couple of weeks ago, about how. Remember we were talking about how there's these. These communities that make up, like, fake AI. Remember, Blake? It's like a fake AI universe and like an alt universe that's going on where it's just this slop content that never actually existed, and it's, like, all going viral. Well, I was. I was trying to look up something on. On YouTube. I just went to YouTube and I wanted to look up, because I was at the. The press conference with Caroline Levitt, and so I was trying to look up the actual video of it. So I type in her name, Caroline Levitt, and I wanted to get the. You know, get the clip to pull. And YouTube in, the algorithm feeds me Caroline Levitt, Jimmy Kimmel. And it autocompleted as that. And I said, wait, Caroline was on with Jimmy Kimmel? Like, I feel like I would have remembered that. Like, when did that happen? Was this, like some old thing? So I click on it to see what populates, and sure enough, what comes up is Caroline Levitt gets thrown off the Jimmy Kimmel show after fiery clash. Well, as it turns out, this thing is completely made up by AI, but because so many people are sharing it, the YouTube algorithm was then feeding it to me, even when I typed her name in for an event that never actually happened.

[Jack]

I mean, another one. That's wild. For example, actually, this came up just while I was searching when we just. I was like, we're going to talk about hippos, probably after the gorilla. So I was like, let's go find some clips of.

[Andrew]

Of Taylor Swift.

[Jack]

Of hippo attacks. And I Got a clip. And it was just that. It was like, man tries to feed hippo and instantly regrets it. And I didn't go deep into it, but I'm pretty sure the video was essentially voiced by AI. It was cobbled together. Some real clips, but I think some of them, the thumbnail was definitely AI. I'm now looking at the front page and it's got like, you guys will get a kick out of this. It's got an AI generated image of a killer humpback whale jumping onto the beach to devour a fat woman. That was definitely created with AI. And this thing has 500,000 subscribers on. On YouTube. And it's getting hundreds of thousands or like millions of views on a lot of these posts. And you find this more and more. I read a lot of history. I listen to a lot of history videos on YouTube, like, oh, I'll go learn about, you know, the Roman Empire, which I'm always thinking of. And there will be real channels that I like, and I'll constantly be getting these recommendations that they'll have tons of views, they'll have tons of followers. And if I click on it, I just realized this is an AI voice with AI content. It's really superficial. It's not good.

[Charlie Kirk]

Totally. And they.

[Jack]

And there's hugely powerful. People love AI slot. They love that.

[Ryan]

Unless. Unless those are just bots. Unless those are just. Maybe this is debt Internet theory already, like bots following other bots.

[Andrew]

I. I used you. And you can do this, by the way, with. So by the way, you can use this with already existing people. So I did. When I was doing my last audiobook, I did a chapter of it. I still have never revealed this one. I actually recorded a chapter using an AI generated voice of myself just to see how it sounded. I inserted it in the audiobook. And nobody who has listened to this has ever been able to tell me which one is actually the AI one. So we're going to get to the point pretty soon where, Charlie, you're not even going to have to do the campus tours anymore because we'll just have AI. Charlie Kirk owns Leftist Student and you know, you could just be sitting there clicking a button.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is true. But I think I will say, though, that just because technology can do it better than humans doesn't mean people won't desire humans. I mean, we could drive in cars, which are faster than watching people run, but we still have football and basketball. I mean, there is something about raw human excellence that will attract humanity more than just machines. All right, guys. Keep on committing thought crimes. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarlicirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Jack]

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