THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83 — The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83: The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?

Release Date: May 10, 2025

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Introduction

In the episode titled "The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?", host Charlie Kirk delves into contentious cultural topics, including recent statements by former President Trump on consumerism and the rising trend of erecting statues representing black women. Joined by guests Buck Sexton, Blake Tyler, and Jack Posobiec, the discussion navigates through the implications of these societal shifts from a conservative perspective.

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Trump’s Comments on Consumerism and Doll Production

The episode kicks off with Jack Posobiec introducing clips of former President Trump addressing tariffs and consumerism, particularly focusing on the production and price of dolls.

• Trump Clip 343 [02:01]: Trump discusses the difficulties foreign factories face due to his tariffs, criticizing Biden for selling unnecessary goods to the U.S.
• Trump Clip 344 [02:39]: Trump emphasizes that young girls "don't need 37 dolls," suggesting a shift towards quality over quantity in consumer goods.

Discussion Highlights:

• Charlie Kirk [04:50]: "Would you rather have a quality made product... These things fall apart. They do not last the dirt."
• Blake Tyler [02:31]: Advocates for fewer, higher-quality toys, criticizing the durability and aesthetic of cheaply made dolls like Bratz and LOL dolls.
• Jack Posobiec [04:43]: Extends the conversation to broader consumerism issues, pointing out the left's hypocrisy by highlighting similar criticisms directed at gun ownership and car ownership.

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Critique of Black Womanism and New Statues

The conversation transitions to the emergence of statues depicting black women, critiqued by the hosts as emblematic of what they perceive as the progressive left's focus on race over merit.

• Jack Posobiec [11:45]: Describes the new statue "Grounded in the Stars" in Times Square as an example of poor artistic representation, likening it to offensive stereotypes if created by white supremacists.
• Blake Tyler [17:06]: Questions the intent behind such statues, arguing they do not celebrate meaningful historical figures but rather promote division.
• Charlie Kirk [19:37]: Introduces the concept of black women being central to the progressive movement, describing it as a "civil religion."

Notable Quotes:

• Jack Posobiec [15:10]: "They put it up and we called it Progress."
• Blake Tyler [16:43]: "This race division that should be totally rejected."

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The Role of Black Women in Progressive Politics

The hosts argue that black women are being elevated in a manner that serves as the ideological backbone of the left, rather than being recognized for their individual merits.

• Charlie Kirk [19:43]: "Black women are the clerics of the religion of American leftism."
• Blake Tyler [23:30]: Criticizes the Democratic Party for pandering to a small percentage of the population (black women) to influence elections, particularly targeting female voters in the 2026 elections.
• Angela [27:49]: Draws parallels between societal responses to heinous crimes and the prioritization of anti-racism over actual criminal behavior, highlighting what she sees as an inversion of values in American civil religion.

Insights:

• The hosts suggest that the focus on black women by the left is a strategic move to solidify support among a specific demographic, potentially alienating broader voter bases.
• They view the elevation of black women within progressive frameworks as a form of race-based identity politics that undermines meritocratic principles.

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Satirical and Critical Commentary on Media and Public Figures

The discussion incorporates satirical takes on media representations and public figures, emphasizing the hosts' disdain for what they perceive as performative activism.

• Charlie Kirk [34:38]: Rants about a PSA urging followers to support black women creators, mocking the notion as faddish and insincere.
• Angela [34:46]: Makes a humorous suggestion to create a Charlie Kirk statue on campuses to provoke reactions and create content.

Humorous Segments:

• Jack Posobiec [40:32]: Suggests installing a statue of a frowning black woman on the NBA court to curb three-point shots, blending cultural criticism with sports.

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Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the discussions, reinforcing their critiques of current cultural trends and the political strategies of the left.

• Charlie Kirk [41:07]: Concludes by reiterating the show's stance against "thought crimes," framing black womanism as a "counterfeit left-wing religion" in contrast to Christianity.

Final Quote:

• Charlie Kirk [41:07]: "Black womanism is simply a counterfeit left-wing religion for real religions... we are the only real religion, which is Christianity."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show offers a fervent critique of current progressive trends, particularly focusing on consumerism influenced by political rhetoric and the cultural elevation of black women as central figures in the left's ideology. Through a blend of serious commentary and satirical elements, Kirk and his guests present a conservative viewpoint aimed at addressing what they perceive as divisive and superficial societal changes.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Happy thought Crime Saturday. We talk about black womanism, New statues that are being brought up. Are you going to have to live with less dolls and more? Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Buck Sexton]

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[Blake Tyler]

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Is it Thought Crime Friday for Jack now?

[Charlie Kirk]

It could be, who knows?

[Jack Posobiec]

We're gonna have a debate about dolls, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this is all in response to a thing that happened last week, and I thought it would be fruitful for discussion. So this was obviously with Trump's tariffs. People are talking, will prices go up on things, will manufacture and move back here. And they asked Trump about this, and he had some interesting comments. So we have two Trump clips that. That we're gonna play real quickly to set it up. So this was, I think, Trump in the Oval Office initially or somewhere. Let's play clip 343.

[Blake Tyler]

Look right now, and I told you before, they're having tremendous difficulty because their factories are not doing business. They made a trillion dollars with Biden. A trillion dollars, even a trillion one with Biden selling us stuff. Much of it was we don't need. You know, somebody said, oh, the shelves are going to be open. Well, maybe the children will have two dolls instead of $30, you know, and maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally, but.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then they asked him more about this, a Short time later, I think on Air Force One. And so he said some more. So let's do clip 3. 44.

[Blake Tyler]

All I'm saying is that you don't that a young lady and 10 year old girl, 9 year old girl, 15 year old girl doesn't need 37.

[Buck Sexton]

Do.

[Blake Tyler]

She could be very happy with 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. I would, I would. Let's not waste a lot of time. What else?

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. The audio quality was really poor.

[Jack Posobiec]

He was saying These girls, an 8 year old girl, 9 year girl, a 15 year old girl, they don't need 37 dolls, which is already pretty funny. Do 15 year old girls.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. But I could tell you that my daughter really likes dolls.

[Jack Posobiec]

Does she have 30 dolls?

[Charlie Kirk]

Not that many.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no comment.

[Charlie Kirk]

More than 10, less than 20. Would you agree, Tyler, that young girls, young daughters really like dolls? One one is not sufficient?

[Tyler]

No, I. My kids beds, they've got stuffed animals and dolls that like you can't like Legion. You have to like through them to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Get to them 100%.

[Jack Posobiec]

So when, when little girls play house, if they have that many dolls, do they still play house with like four people or are they having like giant soirees?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, we have like, we have Mormon house. Oooh, it's like 20 people around. It's like old Catholic house. Okay, she plays house.

[Jack Posobiec]

Alrighty. So I wanted us to talk about that because I thought it was interesting. This is a topic like Tucker Carlson will talk about a lot that it's like due to globalization, due to outsourcing, a kind of side effect people will attack is sort of the profusion of what people say is like Chinese slop or Chinese junk is, you know, often what they'll say that you can get, go to Walmart and you can get tons of stuff really cheap, but you are just piling up tons of stuff. And I think Trump is getting at that with that with his response, which is we're trying to move manufacturing back in America and yeah, like maybe you'll have a lot less stuff as a result because it will be more expensive. And I thought it'd be interesting for us to discuss because is that one, is that are we actually correct that that's what we want? And two, are people going to be on board with it? Maybe people are just gonna be really mad if they can't have $30.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think people are gonna be very mad about, I mean, look, I mean we're very blessed in our family. We can afford as many dolls as possible. Jon Stewart is very mad f you for telling the American people. Why doesn't he ever say you don't need $350, maybe you just need 10. He gets very, very mad about it. And so what I think Trump is making a bigger argument though is that would you, I mean, would you rather have a quality made product? I will say this though, in Trump's favor and I wish Andrew was on here and Tyler would agree. The Chinese dolls that just happened to appear in my home that I did not order, people give them to us or you know, we just order on Amazon. These things fall apart. I mean they do not last the dirt. I mean there is a, there is a remarkable difference. When we buy like a higher quality western made toy that's like from a place that actually cares. I mean the, the Dolph made in China might, might last like a week. I see Jack on his computer because Jack has sons. Jack has no idea what we're talking about. Those of us that have, I really don't, to tell you the truth. Just go.

[Angela]

Toys in general.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, sure. But dolls, I'm like.

[Tyler]

I, I will actually go out of my way to buy a, buy a more expensive toy that I think the kids will like instead of, because I hate. I actually, it drives me crazy like for birthdays and stuff like that when people will gift like just like the cheap, whatever, all the time. Or like, or like our girls will go hang out with grandma and grandpa and they'll go, they'll get something every time they go out somewhere and it's something cheap. It's probably from China. And they fought like you just said, they fall apart, their hair pulls out. They look, they look just a little bit off. They're not nice, they're not special. Right. And they like replace them literally every other day. And so Trump's point is kind of right, where it's like we don't, you don't need 500 Chinese dolls. You need, you know, maybe five. Yeah, you know, people are hung up on the numbers but like, like half fewer, nicer toys instead of the junk that they're sending over and you know, they're just shoving in our kids faces and have you seen some of these like Bratz dolls and like these other things I think we've talked about before on the show, like these things are like wretched looking things. They actually are scary. Like I like the other day, like my little girl had one of those stupid Bratz dolls or I can't remember what's the other one called, but I, like, I picked it up, I was like, oh, my. Like, what is. What is wrong with that thing? I think is scary. Have you seen these things?

[Charlie Kirk]

I totally Not a fan. Hideous.

[Tyler]

Oh, LOL dolls. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. LOL dolls are heinous. They are. They should be criminalized. We shouldn't have. You know, I'm going to go further than Trump. Forget. Forget two dolls. You should have zero LOL dolls. Those things are. Those things are heinous. Hideous.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will say, though, that outside of dolls, and I don't actually, my son's not old enough yet to be in this phase. Stuffed animals are a huge part of human development. Jack, do young boys like stuffed animals as well? My son's only a year, so he's not quite there yet. So. Jack, are stuffed animals big for young boys, too? I think Jax is frozen. Okay, Jack, look at these things.

[Tyler]

Look at the LOL dolls that Angela was talking about. These things are heinous.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tyler]

This is what Trump's talking about. No more of those. We should deport these things. We need to deport LOL dolls.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. I am worried the overall mentality could backfire because I do think people tend to own too much stuff. But I do think that's just. I don't really blame China for it. I think that's just a values thing. Like, people amass too much stuff. And, yeah, people pile up a lot of stuff. And I think people, like. It's especially interesting to see this go because I think there's been on the right a lot of negative reaction when the left has said similar things. I mean, if you want one, we've heard before you've heard people on the left say, like, who needs to own that many guns?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, correct.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they'll say that. Or you could easily say, like, you could imagine them saying, like, nobody actually needs to own two cars.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct.

[Jack Posobiec]

I can think of a lot of reasons someone to want to own two cars and so on. Like, in the end, the entire idea of modernity is overall, it is. It is good to make more stuff. It is good to be more productive. It is good to have more energy.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is better to have excess than deficit.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, like, and there can be a problem of excess, but, like, you know, we have obesity now, but I think we could agree it would be bad if, you know, Trump was going around saying, just like, look, maybe you'll only have 1400 calories a day. You might. You might have to slim down a little bit. Like, that would be bad.

[Charlie Kirk]

We would be starving but would not, would not be good. So how do you think the politics this plays out, Tyler?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I mean, I think this is going to be the attack that's going to, we're going to see over and over with Trump is just like everything that they can possibly find that's going to upset, you know, especially moms. I think they're, I think the, the entire vector here when I was looking at this was everything that they're going to do is they're just going to try to go deeper on female turnout in the 2026 election and, and beyond that, quite frankly, because we're seeing, they're seeing the trends. They know what's up. We won because the things that upset men got more men to turn out and we won because of that. And the influence that men have in the, in those households, they're going to try to go on the white female with a college degree what upsets them the most. And ding, ding, ding, it's take toys away from my children. Because we know millennials will give their children anything because they felt like they were withheld from the baby boomers that were their parents. So this is the problem that we're going to have over and over. We got to figure out the talking points against it and I think come out hard against them, be like, no, that's not true. Here's what is going to happen because of Trump policy X, Y and Z and be ready to combat this. But this female vector is a real problem for us heading in 2026.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Dolls to statues.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I have to be Honest with you guys. Blake was sending this stuff this morning and this is a very real good list, is a good learning lesson. I thought it was AI because look, first of all, I'm distracted. I'm watching CBS conclave coverage. Very mesmerized by it, by the way. They're talking about raw dogging. They're actually talking about election integrity. CBS did an entire segment on what they eat in the conclave, which by the way is pasta with just butter and a little bit of parmesan cheese. And that's all they feed them. No variety and no ravioli. Because they say that they could have little messages put in the ravioli. I'm not gonna do a whole segment on that. And then Blake is sending us these pictures of these like overweight black women statues. And I'm like, okay, this is obviously AI slop. This is some boomer thing to get boomers mad. But turns out I was wrong. I got fooled by reality. Blake, what's going on here?

[Jack Posobiec]

Alright, so the specific story that went on today is that there is a new statue that has gone up in Times Square. They found a way to make Time Square even tackier than before. And so they have put up a 12 foot tall bronze statue. It is called Grounded in the Stars. Let's see the actual line from the people who put it up. The Times Square Arts Group says. Installed at ground level on a wide low base, the work invites engagement with the hundreds of thousands of people who traverse the plazas each day. The woman in Grounded in the Stars cuts a stark contrast to the pedestaled permanent monuments, both white, both men, which bookend Duffy Square while embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur. Now, first of all, it is true there are statues of white guys in Duffy Square. I believe Duffy himself is a priest who fought and who was in not fought, but like was a chaplain in World War I and was a quite heroic figure. And that is why they decided to build a statue to them. Generally you build statues to public heroes that you want to honor or remember, but we skipped just past that and we just kind of made a statue of a glowering angry woman at the dmv. And what's funny about it is, as you said, it feels a. There's a lot of these out there. Like they've, they put a lot of these statues up and they're like very often of this specific format of like an angry person just kind of glaring at you. There's one in Rotterdam in the Netherlands that's just again, kind of like a. This Black woman with a stolen expression on her face. There's one in Southern Britain where it's like a woman on her phone there. There's a couple of people just on their phones and some of them are just actually really crazy looking. There's one that's like a giant. It's like the sphinx that you'd see in each.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it. Where is this one?

[Jack Posobiec]

Where that one was put up in Rockefeller Center.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And there's that sphinx. It's the Sphinx, except that. So actually could go back. It's the sphinx except it kind of has a stereotypical like mammy look. Like that old kind of slave caricature that they would have. And they put it on a sphinx like Color Purple. And if you see the whole thing, it also has very sexualized features. Like it has this like big booty in the back. And this is like a piece of art that they said was empowering for black people. When I look at that. And I would think you. If like a white supremacist had created this statue, it would be totally.

[Charlie Kirk]

If David Duke was in charge. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like this is a super. Like this is an outrageously offensive statue that like cashes in on all of these gross stereotypes and caricatures. Except no, we put it up and we called it Progress. And there was a similar one that they showed up there and it's like the statue of Zeus at Olympia, it's called Oracle. They put this up in the Rockefeller Center, I believe temporarily. I don't think it's there anymore.

[Charlie Kirk]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it's like a Greek statue except it has this gigantic kind of African statue style head on top of it. And it's the same deal. Like that's a valid art form. But they deliberately do do it in ways that make you raise one eyebrow or the other eyebrow or both eyebrows. And a very funny response. I think it was Matt. Walt. Did Matt Walsh tweet this?

[Charlie Kirk]

Matt's been great.

[Jack Posobiec]

He said they put these up because like the left can't have any actual heroes because everything above 2000 before 2005 is suspect. I mean we ripped down Abraham Lincoln statues because he was racist apparently. In fact, when you were in. We were in Boston the other time and there was that. There was an empty pedestal near where we were staying and it was. Because that's where the Lincoln emancipation statue was. And they took it down and you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can see Lincoln is racist. It looks right.

[Jack Posobiec]

It looks like it's a frickin grave as a result. Because there's no statue on top of it. So they don't have any heroes. No one's. Okay. So you just have to put up statues of kind of angry people glaring at you, because that is. That is liberal art.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's talk more about. Yeah, go ahead, Tyler, your thoughts. And then I want to go a little deeper because there is. There is something important.

[Tyler]

I was going to say that was my favorite part, was like, her hands are on her hips and she's, like, looking down on everyone. You know that. That's the. The. The interesting pic. She's like in a T shirt, hands on her hips. This is not like, you know, you would think that if. If it was we were celebrating black culture, you would have statues erected. I mean, this is not cheap.

[Charlie Kirk]

We.

[Tyler]

I mean, we've looked into some of this before, Charlie. Like on Turning Point's campus. Yeah, casting a bronze statue of that size is, like. Is a. Is a pretty expensive endeavor today. You know, with Biden inflate, post Biden inflation, everything else. This is not. Why wouldn't you pick somebody with any kind of historical significance to celebrate? Like, it could be anybody. Like, somebody that is meaningful. You know, they actually went, like, kind of the cheapest route. And I just don't. I don't get it. I don't. I don't think there's anyone that has any kind of common sense that looks at this and goes, wow, that's beautiful, or, wow, I'm really proud of that, or that makes me celebrate my culture even. This is like a. It's a crazy, you know, almost bigoted thing that they're doing to try to incite this. This race division that, you know, should. Should be totally rejected.

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[Jack Posobiec]

It is a very specific thing and.

[Charlie Kirk]

I want to dive into because that. Because the statues are one thing, but I think we must really. And by the way, this is not like just us saying this on our show. The base of the Democrat party has said this, that we must lift up black women, that black women must be at the forefront. That basically, in progressive folklore or storytelling, black women are portrayed as like the truth tellers and the caretakers of democracy. Yeah, Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Black women. If they're not black trans women. Because I think Elizabeth Warren said they were the bedrock of our democracy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct.

[Tyler]

But that's right. Stacey Abrams was like. That was like the face of. Of. Of all of that. That's what they really leaned into that for that reason during that time.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it is the inversion of what they consider to be white supremacy. So what is the group that is at the opposite of a white Anglo Saxon Protestant man, which we are. Well, not Protestant, but you're Catholic, but whatever is black women. And so the elevation of black womanism is this. Exactly. And I sent a clip in the. In the chat that I want them to load up here. And not only that, but black women on the left expect to be worshiped as much as they are worshiped. And that's what's so important, is not that just that they get worshipped on the left? And black womanism is the faith of the radical left, that basically black women are the clerics of the religion of American leftism. Let's play cut358 of she Wants to be the Pope of American leftism. Play cut 358.

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[Jack Posobiec]

There's a. I'm looking now because I just thought there is a. There's a podcast called literally that's just called Listen to Black Women.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, no, no, no. It's a real thing on the left. This is not just us being, you know, politically provocative. Yeah, this is a very real thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like it really is kind of like, it's like, you know, they're the core of the like black women lead where America follows like it really is. And it, it is focused specifically on, on women especially too. It's not even like black people generally black men. It is this black women thing. If it's not specifically black trans women, you will sometimes hear that specific subset. I don't, I don't know how they got that one. That was like a very peak 2019, 2020 episode. I. Was it Elizabeth Warren who said that it was like. They said that they were like the bedrock of our democracy. I know Warren said she was going to read the names of every black trans woman murdered in America in the Rose Garden every year if she became president. That would have been quite, quite the ceremony, I suppose.

[Charlie Kirk]

But so from a. And I want to get Tyler in on this, but politically, Tyler, what are they thinking? Black women are 6% of the American population. Ish. 6 to 7%. Why the pandering to 7% of the population?

[Tyler]

Well, I think, I mean, you hit the nail on the head. This is just the antithesis of the white man. So whatever the left, the left wants to construct everything in complete opposition to whatever they hate or they want to target and whatever. So you just, you hit it. You have white men who are. And I wouldn't be surprised if they go older because it's a young white man now they hate. So old black women are the complete opposite. And that's how they have to run all of their political identity through. And they've done this now to us for a significant amount of time. And I think this is the first time we're seeing people push back and go, no, no, no, no. I am soaked over this. The race baiting, the pushing, whatever. I like people not because of the color of their skin, but because of who they are. And this entire concept. And we saw this a few years ago during, I mean, the BLM riots and everything else. It was like, you can't shop at white stores anymore. You have to shop at black, black, small businesses. Remember where they were pushing all this? And on Netflix, it was. It was, you know, all of the. The movies that were by. Produced by black lesbian directors. And this is. This is the stuff again. This stuff just doesn't work. And the more that I think they keep pushing this, the further that it repels normal people who are just like, this is so 2020. This is so 2019. We're not doing this anymore.

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[Jack Posobiec]

It's a few things. I mean, one is they are the most bedrock part of the left's coalition. I mean, you can see that chart.

[Charlie Kirk]

Most loyal.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, they are. You can see that chart. They are the ones who are going. But it's sometimes 98%. It is. It is like, there's an element of like. So there's the fact that they are the 98% liberal ones. But yeah, beyond that, as you say it is that it's like. It's the polar opposite of, you know, all the things that we're tearing down in America, which is, you know, like white men. So you go to the opposite of that. You know, maybe. Maybe Jack has some thoughts on what drives it, too. Because what I think of is how the fact That I think they're the 1 group in America you can just overtly say, like, oh, we're doing a diversity hire on this one. Like, Biden came out and said, I'm going to pick a black woman to the Supreme Court. I'm not going to pick the most qualified person. He could have said, I'm going to pick a woman. I'm going to pick someone who's not a white male. But he didn't do that. He said, specifically black woman. Everyone else, 94% of America need not apply, period. Just not allowed to compete. And it was kind of like that with his veep. He didn't overtly promise, but it was sort of widely assumed he had to pick a black woman. And as his vice president in 2020, that that was the under the table deal he made, you know, with. To win the South Carolina endorsement. But yeah, I think we have Jack back, so maybe he could comment on what's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Jack. What is the philosophical basis of black womanism?

[Angela]

Yeah, thanks, guys. I was going for a little bit, just want to let you know, they did offer me the papacy, but I said, no, guys, I got a thought crime show to do. So, you know, maybe, maybe next time. No. So, Charlie, what's going on here is there is a civil religion, a civic religion, if you will, that's been promulgated in the United states since the 1960s. And it's, it's been in the countercultural revolution, the countercultural moment where, as you were saying before, the wasp is considered the most hated figure in America. And therefore the inversion of that must be the greatest. And there's something that I mentioned this to on Tucker once, that it's, it's always just absolutely fascinated me that Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer, cannibal, you know, heinous, horrific things that he did, he confesses his crimes to the police, chopped up his victims, ate them in some cases, kept their body parts in others, yet in, later on in an interview, so he would give these interviews from, from prison and, and things like that. He, he emphasized that even though the vast majority of his victims were, were young men of color, that he was not a racist. And it was emphatic for him to, to make sure that he knew and that everybody knew that he was not a racist. He may have killed them, he may have chopped up their body parts, he may have eaten some of their body parts. But please, please don't let anyone believe that he's a despicable racist. And I honestly just think that it says more about what we place value on as a society where we would actually consider all those crimes to be lesser than to committing the crime of doing a racism or being accused of doing a racism. And this, of course, is our civic religion in the United States. We and the west writ large are the only places in the world that think this way, that we invert everything and we make everything all the time about race, rather than base things off of merit or just simply base the judgments of somebody's actions, like, I don't know, murder and cannibalism. But since the 1960s, this has been our civil religion.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, let's go a couple pieces of tape. Let's start with360 WNBA player Paige Bookers getting an award saying, the following play cut360 with the light that I have now, as a white woman who leads a black led sp and celebrated here, I want to show a light on black women. They don't get the media coverage that they deserve. All they do is get media coverage. Let me rephrase what she's saying. Let me just really quick. She's like, as a white woman who's currently being held hostage by all my black teammates getting this award, I'd like to say thank you to my captors. I'm blinking twice. She's literally being held hostage getting this award. That's what that is.

[Jack Posobiec]

And like, when you read the article, it's not even just like, oh, that they might be socially isolated. You'll see these things. Like, wasn't it Caitlin Clark was like practically getting assaulted on the court 100%. All this very.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, they did that. They made an example out of Caitlin Clark for that reason. She doesn't want to get the crap beat out of her. And women can't stand that as much as men. When men get the crap beat out of them, they rally together. They get stronger. Women do not like being socially isolated. Being that is the worst thing for a female is to be socially isolated.

[Jack Posobiec]

If we want to have a thought crime, we could be like, are women built for team sports?

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, I mean, Caitlin Clark honestly isn't. I'm not saying she's like, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Someone phenomenal athlete, someone hard follows your star in the NFL. And it's like a melee and like 27 players get suspended and there's all these fines. Like, do NBA players. Do WNBA players get in fights if someone gets gets mugged on the court?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, but Caitlin Clark's a great example, which is that. So she's a great athlete. Objectively. One of the Best basketball players of a generation for women. And she then gets bullied by her teammates and by other opponents. And then she bends the knee to black worship. And she does. She was like basically like, I'm so racist. I need to learn my privilege look. So she basically allowed the this to master her. And you look at. I mean, would Larry Bird take that? No, I mean, I don't think so. Would Pistol Pete. I'm just thinking of like white players that would luca maybe, maybe not. It's not a criticism of women. Women just tend to be more agreeable and they tend to be more sensitive to group social dynamics. We had one of the clerics of the democrat religion visit us in San Francisco. Playcut361 I love you.

[Unknown]

And you know what I think? I think you really want a big black your.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you seem pleasant. Are you married?

[Unknown]

Was your mom married?

[Charlie Kirk]

Are you?

[Unknown]

Because I got a call from the doctor. She missed her abortion.

[Charlie Kirk]

You seem so sweet, Charlie.

[Unknown]

You seem so stiff and white. Do you have a stick up your.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is there something wrong with being white, Charlie?

[Unknown]

Is there something wrong with a stick in your Is what I'm asking. I love you, Charlie. You're the best comedian. You're the best comedian on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you want a hat?

[Unknown]

You're the best one.

[Charlie Kirk]

She wants a hat. Can you wear it? That is one of the high priestesses of the American left. Go to why refi.com that is whyrefi.com why refi does not care what your credit score is when the one year payment comes up with student loans, boy, why refi can be there for you? Why refi can save you thousands of dollars by refinancing, even lowering your total cost. You can finally take control of your student loan situation with a plan that works for your monthly budget. Call 888yrefi34 or log on to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com may not be available in all 50 states. Go to yrefi.com that IS yrefy.com Do you have a co borrower? Why Refi can get them released from the loan. So go to yrefi.com Many clients aren't able to make the minimum monthly payments on their private student loans when they first contact yrefi. So go to yrefi.com that is yre f y.com check it out. You can finally take control of your student loan situation with a plan that works for your monthly budget. So go to it right [e-mail] that is y r e f y.com here's Michelle Obama saying black women don't complain enough. Right. Because when I think of Nevermind play.

[Michelle Obama]

Cut362 as black women are pained because it's almost like nobody ever gave us permission to do that.

[Unknown]

And does anyone care?

[Michelle Obama]

Yeah, there's more.

[Unknown]

They care.

[Charlie Kirk]

If we knew. I think we would care.

[Buck Sexton]

If we knew.

[Michelle Obama]

If we knew or, you know. Yeah. And we have to ask ourselves, the men in our lives is, you know, why wait to be asked? You know, it seems like what we go through is pretty obvious. I mean, maybe we're not complaining, but we're actually living life out loud. You know.

[Charlie Kirk]

She almost said asked correctly. She got so close. She was so close and then she went axed. She was so close. You could tell that she was right.

[Tyler]

She corrected herself.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, let me just have a couple thoughts and then we'll throw it into the gang here. Number one, she does not seem like a formidable political candidate ever. I mean, just that whole clip. Yeah, well, black women need permission to camp. Complain. Number two, what's happening to her brother? Like, what is this whole thing where he's kind of just like becoming a woman? It's very strange. And number three, do you ever know that it is black men that are reluctant to camp to complain?

[Jack Posobiec]

Reluctant to complain. You see, I do feel like you do hear that one a lot where it's just like they've been told to be quiet for too long. And like, who, who is telling them to be quiet? We're not even telling them to be quiet. We're just sort of commenting about what she said and there. And the strange looking statues. And even with the statues, like if you want to put up a statue to Rosa Parks, go ahead. It's that it's like you're putting up a statue to literally nothing. You're putting up a statue to someone glaring at you. I would find it rather strange if we just had like a white guy statue and he's like staring ominously at you. We'd probably say it looks like Big Brother. Like, would you want a big bronze of that guy just like eyeballing you on Times Square? We'd be like, wow, I guess we live in a dictatorship now.

[Angela]

But wait a minute, wait a minute. Just had a great idea for Charlie for when you do these campus things. You should, but like the night before the, the event is supposed to take place, just get like a giant bronze Charlie Kirk statue and have people put it up somewhere on campus and then just have like, don't Go there. Don't go there. Right, but have. Make it like, you know, it doesn't be bronze. We have some cheaper whatever. But. But don't go there. Just film what happens to the statue. Like have a drone, like getting footage of it and just watch the insanity. I guarantee you it would drive people completely nuts. And hey, just free content.

[Tyler]

We should make it bronze. No, no, it should be bronze and make it indestructible. And then watch how long.

[Angela]

What about like hard. They try. Oh, yeah, that's good. So it can actually hurt them.

[Charlie Kirk]

It here is. And then we'll close with this. We have. We've. We're a little over time. This is how a man, Larry Bird, stood up to bullying back in the NBA versus WNBA players play cut 364.

[Buck Sexton]

Larry Bird and Bill Laimbeer have both been ejected from the game. Now there's Bird throwing the ball at Laimbeer and Rodman coming over. See sting and a 24 second clock goes down and Bird and Lambert go at it. I don't remember Larry Bernard Bird getting as angry as I saw him there. Bird would stand for getting pulled down on a layup, but not on a play like that with the clock running down. And he really got taken down very hard. And of course, Bird is very upset at Laimbeer and has been for a long time now Rodman goes after Bird after Bird threw the ball. This thing's out of control.

[Jack Posobiec]

How many. How many times. You know, you're big on Michael Jordan being, you know, the greatest of all time. How many times did he beat Larry.

[Charlie Kirk]

Bird in the playoffs as a coach or player?

[Jack Posobiec]

Was Michael Jordan a coach?

[Charlie Kirk]

Larry Bird was of the Pacers.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, but was he. Did he coach against Jordan?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, did he? I didn't know that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Multiple times.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, but how about. How about as a player, though?

[Charlie Kirk]

Not very well. It's. When Jordan was still young, he was developing. He was a young gun.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jordan. Jordan was. He got better when Rodman left the Pistons. Rodman was a crazy.

[Jack Posobiec]

He got better or like he became able to defeat the Pistons?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, because it improved his game significantly. The Pistons were like his nemesis.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Three years in a row, right? I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. No, it was this amazing story. And Jordan was 15 pounds lighter. I think he was like one. Let me think.

[Tyler]

He was tiny.

[Charlie Kirk]

180.

[Angela]

He was tiny.

[Charlie Kirk]

And he put on like 15 pounds of muscle. Because the Pistons were just throwing him around. Right? Just throwing him around. They went and got Rodman. He put on 15 pounds of muscle and they finally overcame Isaiah Thomas of the Piston.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it was. They only had Rodman for the second three. Pete. Right. The first one they didn't have.

[Charlie Kirk]

They did not. No, the first three.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was just Scotty Pippen.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's correct. Only Scotty was there for all six.

[Jack Posobiec]

What if. Charlie, just hear me out on this idea. The NBA people have said the NBA is getting stale because it's all just dunks or three point shots or layups and there's no like middle game. What if we put a statue of a frowning black woman at the three point line and it like moved back and forth along the three point line making it more difficult to take three point shots?

[Charlie Kirk]

This is. This is where we're heading. I could not tell you a single thing that's happening in the NBA playoffs right now. Could you?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, because there's no statue of a black woman.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's the court that that is.

[Jack Posobiec]

That would fix it.

[Charlie Kirk]

If complaining was a currency, they'd all be billionaires. Final thoughts, guys.

[Angela]

I want a giant bronze statue of Charlie Kirk because I could just think of so many funny things to do with that man. Then again, I am here and I remind myself I am sitting in front of St. Peter's Basilica and I'm very excited to go to mass there tomorrow morning.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow. Great for you. All right, till next time, guys. Keep committing thought crimes. Black womanism is simply a counterfeit left wing religion for real religions as Jack is in the only real religion, which is Christianity and he is in Rome. So we'll pray for Jack's safety and wisdom there. God bless you guys. Keep on committing thought crimes. To talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening everyone. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.

[Jack Posobiec]

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