THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 84 — South African Refugees? Best Movie Ever?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show – THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 84 — South African Refugees? Best Movie Ever?

Release Date: May 17, 2025

Hosts:

• Charlie Kirk – Founder of Turning Point USA and host.
• Jack Posobiec
• Blake
• Andrew
• Tyler

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1. South African Refugee Crisis and the "Kill the Boers" Sentiment

Overview: The episode delves into the alarming situation in South Africa, focusing on the targeted violence against white farmers, commonly referred to as "Boers." The hosts discuss the socio-political climate that has led to the rise of extremist sentiments and the resulting refugee crisis.

Key Discussions:

• Historical Context:

  • Blake provides a historical background, explaining that "Boer" means "farmer" in Afrikaans and refers to the descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa. He highlights the longstanding presence and success of white farmers in the region.

• Current Crisis:

  • Jack Posobiec reminisces about the viral moment two years prior when Charlie Kirk addressed the issue, leading to significant diplomatic tensions with South Africa.
  • The hosts express concern over the African National Congress (ANC), describing it as a Marxist-Leninist party that pushes for forcible land redistribution without compensation, drawing parallels to the failed land seizures in Zimbabwe under Robert Mugabe.

Notable Quotes:

• Charles Kirk [00:32]: "Not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country."
• Blake [05:17]: "South Africa is a highly unequal country. It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid."

2. Comparisons to U.S. Policies: CRT and Land Redistribution

Overview: The conversation transitions to comparing South Africa's policies with those in the United States, specifically Critical Race Theory (CRT) and Diversity & Inclusion (D&I) initiatives.

Key Discussions:

• CRT in South Africa:

  • Andrew elucidates that South Africa has ingrained policies similar to CRT within its constitution, affecting every government position and contributing to systemic inefficiencies like massive blackouts due to a lack of qualified personnel.

• Implications:

  • The hosts argue that such foundational policies make it challenging to enact meaningful change, unlike in the U.S., where CRT is a subject of political debate rather than a constitutional mandate.

Notable Quotes:

• Andrew [09:31]: "In South Africa, they have it literally written into their constitution. So that means it's like, it's like in their bill of rights."
• Blake [20:37]: "They don't want productivity. What they want is they just like want to kill and just like expropriate the people who have things."

3. The Zimbabwe Example: Lessons from History

Overview: Blake draws parallels between South Africa's current trajectory and Zimbabwe's historical experience with land appropriation and economic collapse.

Key Discussions:

• Rhodesia to Zimbabwe:

  • Charlie Kirk recounts the fall of Rhodesia, highlighting how the removal of a stable government led by Ian Smith resulted in severe economic and social turmoil under Mugabe's rule.

• Consequences of Land Seizure:

  • The hosts emphasize that forcibly taking land from successful farmers does not guarantee improved economic conditions, citing Zimbabwe's descent into starvation and international pariah status as cautionary tales.

Notable Quotes:

• Charlie Kirk [21:56]: "Rhodesia was the gem of Africa. It was the most beautiful country."
• Blake [25:22]: "They just like want to kill and just expropriate the people who have things."

4. Media Influence and Meme Power

Overview: The hosts explore the role of media and memes in shaping public perception and political narratives.

Key Discussions:

• Dan Brown and Symbolism:

  • Blake references Dan Brown's novels to illustrate how esoteric symbols and narratives can influence cultural perceptions and political agendas.

• Impact of Memes:

  • Andrew discusses the power of memes in spreading ideas, noting that powerful memes can overshadow factual discourse and drive public opinion.

Notable Quotes:

• Andrew [03:18]: "It shows the power of memes. The person with the most powerful memes that wins."
• Blake [03:07]: "Dan Brown's... a blast from the past."

5. Cultural Discussions: Movies and Actors

Overview: The conversation shifts to lighter topics, including opinions on various movies and actors, reflecting the hosts' diverse interests and cultural critiques.

Key Discussions:

• Philip Seymour Hoffman:

  • Charlie Kirk laments the loss of Philip Seymour Hoffman, praising his acting prowess and discussing the potential of using AI to recreate his performances.

• Movie Critiques:

  • The hosts debate the merits of popular films like Die Hard, The Godfather, Avatar, and Pulp Fiction, expressing strong preferences and criticisms.
  • Blake criticizes Quentin Tarantino's obsession with certain motifs, while Andrew defends some actors against widespread negative opinions.

Notable Quotes:

• Blake [32:00]: "I generally don't like mob movies because... I can't relate to that."
• Charlie Kirk [34:15]: "He has one of the greatest scenes ever in Hunger Games."

6. Revoking Pete Rose's Hall of Fame Ban

Overview: A brief, contentious segment discusses the recent decision to revoke Pete Rose's ban from the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Key Discussions:

• Blake's Stance:

  • Blake vehemently opposes the decision, citing Rose's admission of betting on baseball and his dishonesty during investigations.

• Concept of Morality vs. Performance:

  • The debate centers around whether an individual's off-field misconduct should impact their athletic legacy and recognition.

Notable Quotes:

• Blake [58:00]: "He took the ban to avoid any further investigation which could have been criminal in nature."
• Charlie Kirk [60:27]: "Not great people are still allowed to be in the Hall of Fame."

7. Conclusion and Closing Remarks

As the discussion winds down, Charlie Kirk wraps up the episode, urging listeners to engage further through the podcast’s platform and expressing gratitude for their participation.

Notable Quotes:

• Charlie Kirk [61:05]: "Thanks so much for listening, and God bless."

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Overall Insights: The episode presents a robust critique of South Africa's socio-political issues, drawing historical parallels and highlighting the dangers of extremist policies and media influence. While predominantly serious in tone, the hosts intersperse cultural discussions, providing a multifaceted perspective that underscores their unabashedly conservative and freedom-oriented viewpoint.

Listening Recommendations: For those interested in understanding the complexities of South Africa's current challenges and the broader implications of political ideologies on societal structures, this episode offers a comprehensive and thought-provoking discourse.

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Notable Timestamped Quotes:

• [05:17] Blake: "South Africa is a highly unequal country. It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid."
• [09:31] Blake: "South Africa is a highly unequal country. It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid."
• [20:37] Blake: "They don't want productivity. What they want is they just like want to kill and just like expropriate the people who have things."
• [58:00] Blake: "He took the ban to avoid any further investigation which could have been criminal in nature."
• [61:05] Charlie Kirk: "Thanks so much for listening, and God bless."

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, everybody. Happy thought Crime Saturday. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[Blake]

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[Andrew]

I want to thank Charlie.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. We've got another thought. Crime Thursday here for you. Jack Posoba here back in Washington, D.C. of course, last week I was there at the Vatican, so we got to see the giant St. Peter's Basilica behind me. Now I have this wonderful graphic of, I guess the other. Other ear of the. The dome of US Capitol, not quite as old as that one. Also not designed by Michelangelo, but a lot cooler because it's America. But we've got a really cool, really great set list lined up for today for the entire show. Great program. And also, Charlie Kirk will be here in just a few minutes. But guys, let's zoom out here real quick. Do we have. I believe we have Blake, Andrew, and T lined up.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hello. Hello, Jack.

[Tyler]

I thought you were gonna call it the Devil's Basilica behind you.

[Andrew]

The Devil's Basilica. Oh, man. Be mean. Because it was founded by a bunch of Freemasons.

[Tyler]

No, just because of who operates out of there.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that, though. That's another good reason we have Charlie coming soon, though. Charlie's.

[Andrew]

I've actually read the. The. There's a Dan Brown book that has all, like, the freemason symbols of Washington, D.C. and like, I think it's called. What's it called? Last symbol or lost symbol or something. And it's. It's. It's very similar to National Treasure 2. It's like literally almost the same plot, but it goes through it, it's just got a ton of, you know, good information about the craziness of D.C. blake. That's all true, right?

[Blake]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of, like, wacky symbols in it. They. They were into their, like, esoteric symbology stuff, man. Dan Brown, That's a blast from the past. Remember in the early 2000s, Jack, where, like, churches would need to have special events because Da Vinci Code was so popular, and we would need to have, like, priests and scholars come and be like, no, guys, Jesus didn't marry Mary Magdalene. This is a fictional book. The Priory of Scion is not real.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it's kind of like. It's kind of like when SNL did that Sarah Palin skit, like, I can see Russia from my house, and everybody actually thought she said it. It was just a. Just a line from an else.

[Tyler]

Everyone thought she said it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think they still do.

[Andrew]

But it shows you. What it taught me, though, was the power of memes, right? And so this idea that if you had a meme that was stronger than another meme, that just. That one meme getting out there into the world and being released into the wild would catch fire across, you know, across people from person to person, and then even to Catholics who, you know, are sitting there like, yes, we've always believed this for thousands of years, but, whoa, there's a Hollywood movie about it, and everybody's reading this book at the beach, and suddenly. So it's like, okay, so if this is the way the world works, then it's the person with the most powerful memes that wins.

[Tyler]

So before we start today, I have just a little bit of a hook. We have a collab that, starting tonight, Turning Point Action with Conviction Company, this wonderful hat that you can see here. Fantastic. All proceeds are going to Turning Point Action, which is really cool. But I actually like that they're a great hat company. Great hat. So it's Conviction Company.

[Jack Posobiec]

Where's my hat, Tyler?

[Tyler]

Well, got. We got you one.

[Jack Posobiec]

Did you really?

[Tyler]

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Tyler]

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[Jack Posobiec]

So nice. Thank you. And Charlie is joining us?

[Blake]

Yes. Yeah, he'll be here in of 20 minutes or so.

[Jack Posobiec]

In a. In the blink of an eye. But we're gonna start off.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we got to get in there, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think we're starting off with Kill the Boar.

[Andrew]

Well, it's about time. It's about time.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's a terrible thing to see.

[Andrew]

They're just. They're just. They're just running around farming up all those crops and living there for all those.

[Jack Posobiec]

By the way, you guys will remember this, like, when this story first hit. I remember it was, like, two years ago. A year ago. When this. When. When it, like, first went viral on least in America and social media.

[Blake]

I. I recall the first one pretty well because I helped start it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Did you?

[Blake]

So I was following this. Was that Tucker Carlson show at Fox, and we were following the news because every. What happens is every few years, they make a new push to seize whitey's land in South Africa and just seize it without compensation. And then there will always be some sort of excuse where they'll delay it or not quite do it, but because I think they know once they do it, like, the country will completely collapse, turn into a.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, there'll also be a pariahs.

[Blake]

Yeah. And so what happened was we ran a segment that they were about. I think it was that they were about to do it. And maybe Tucker mildly misspoke, or we mildly misworded it as it was already happening, or maybe we even did it accurately. But whatever it was, Trump watched that segment and then did a very angry tweet about it that night or the following morning. And then South Africa put out a statement disavowing this. And it was a minor diplomatic incident. And it's flared up five times.

[Jack Posobiec]

I remember when the moment happened. And, Jack, I don't know if you remember. I'm sure you do remember this because you're very with it online, but it was like, the outrageousness of it, like the cartoonishness of having a popular political party in any country, let alone one that's in the G20, and that's like hosting international competitions. And we all think of it as, like, part of the League of Nations kind of thing. Right. Not necessarily the old vestige of the 1920s or whatever. I just mean, like, they're part of the civilization.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. To have a political party in a country like that that says something as outrageous as kill a certain group of people. And then when you call them out on it. Welcome, Charlie. When you call them out on it, they're like, oh, it's just a slight slogan.

[Blake]

It's like a funny thing. We sing Historical song. It's just. They'll be like, it's a historical protest song.

[Jack Posobiec]

You can't get mad at us because we're black people that. That. That are singing jokingly about killing people.

[Blake]

It's so cartoonish, too, because, like, in comparison, like, as an example, Charlie, you've heard about this lately where, like, you said deutschland uber alles, which is like a line in the German national anthem, but they don't sing from, like, the 1800s. And, like, they're weird because the Germans are a mentally ill country. But, like. And it just means, like, Germany above all. And it means in the context, like, put Germany above, like, petty rivalries. It's like America first, Little Dutchy. Yeah, it's like America first. Not even more like America first. It's more like if you were saying USA ahead of California or something is really, like, what the meaning is in the song. And then, like, they freak out about that and you'll have, like, ponderous CNN pieces where it's like, you know, the. The dark National Socialist tone of saying that. And then you have this song where the lyrics are just, kill the boar. Shoot, shoot. And, like, you could watch them and they're, like, doing popping gun shots.

[Charlie Kirk]

Left is coming after me for jokingly saying, Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, that's funny. The guy did. Instantly said, well, not exactly, because in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Germany, no, they're like, oh, yeah.

[Blake]

I mean, and. Or there's like. I think, like 200 people got investigated or even arrested in Germany or fined or some sort of police action because it became trendy to. There was like a club song in France when they would play that song and then they would say Auslander, which means foreigners out. And, like, you would get in trouble.

[Charlie Kirk]

For saying that out.

[Blake]

And, like, some of them did, like, you know, Nazi salutes with it, but most did not. You could just get in trouble just for saying it, like, deranging. And then on the flip side, of course, we have in AF in South Africa, and it's just like, kill the boar. Shoot, shoot.

[Jack Posobiec]

And like, nothing you see here.

[Blake]

Kill the boar.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yamiche from msnbc. Yamichi. She doesn't have anything to say about that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sushi woman.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sushi woman from. Who looks like she is, but, like, deep fried. But the point is that she's, like, got nothing to say about that. And yet she was. What was her line? I'm appalled. I think we have the clip. She was appalled. Everybody's frankly appalled that we're letting in 50 white Afrikaners that literally are under Attack.

[Andrew]

Wait, wait, before, let's. I always try to do this before we get into a topic. And let's go to Blake. Blake, can you just give us in a couple sentence like let's say people are living under a rock. They have no idea what we're talking about. What is kill the Boer? The land appropriation and the South African refugee situation as it stands.

[Blake]

Okay, sure, sure, sure, sure. So the Boers are. It means farmer in Dutch, or at least in Afrikaan, I believe it's farmer in Dutch. The Dutch are the original European settlers in Southern Africa. The Dutch had a colony there in the 1600s. So there have been Dutch people there for about 400 years almost. And they have a long term presence there, especially in rural areas. They're very successful farmers, hence the name. And of course, they remain pretty successful and prosperous in South Africa today. This has become highly controversial. South Africa is a highly unequal country. It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid. And so a popular political position in South Africa. It's worth noting the African National Congress, that's Nelson Mandela's party, they are a Marxist Leninist party. They are basically a Communist party. And there are groups to the left of them, such as the Economic Freedom Fighters. And so a common demand in South African politics is that there should be forcible land redistribution, that they should seize land that is owned by white farmers in South Africa without pay, without paying for it, and forcibly redistribute it to the black majority in South Africa. Now, it's worth noting this has been done in other African countries. It's been done in neighboring Zimbabwe. The result was starvation. So this is not, you know, a novel idea. This is an idea that has been attempted and it has failed badly. Now, in addition to this, South Africa is a dangerous country. No one denies that. And it's dangerous wherever you go. But within the dangers there, there's a particular type of murder that happens. They call them like farm murders, where you'll have people who usually a lot of them are workers on farms or they live near them and you'll have intrusions on farms and they will just rob and often horribly murder the people on the farms. Now, yes, this is within the context of a lot of crime happening in South Africa, but it's. Yeah, there's very much a targeted element where like, you would not need to do this level of depraved violence against them, except that you do in fact want to. Do you want to like murder these white farmers who you've been whipped into A frenzy against. And so this is what happens in South Africa is people who are running these successful farms get targeted. And while they're getting targeted for these horrifying murders, you have members of the South African parliament of the government who talk about we should kill white farmers, we should massacre them. Or they'll greatly downplay it. So I want to do two things. First of all, we should play this clip because this guy is. What's the number on the. For every one of ours, five of them. Can you give me the number on that? I don't see it in the sheet.

[Charlie Kirk]

We show Andrew's shot first. It's the greatest shot ever.

[Jack Posobiec]

I wasn't gonna bring it up out of respect for you, Charlie, but I.

[Charlie Kirk]

Was just gonna say the fact that, yeah, he's a Huskies fan. Oregon in the background.

[Blake]

Oh, that's great.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is the greatest thought.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm hearing out of our. You know, they. The. The South Africans say kill the boar and us Huskies say something the ducks. That line rhymes with ducks. And I'm just going to say it.

[Tyler]

I would cry if I had a U of A logo behind me the entire.

[Jack Posobiec]

I didn't know we were actually, I was like, tyler, that's your usual seat. I'll sit over here.

[Blake]

I saw the SH A setup.

[Charlie Kirk]

National runner up last two years ago.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

So now I want to. So the guy in this year. This is incredible. I want to. Charlie, first, the guy I'm about to show you a clip from. I want you to attempt to read his name, because you know how bad.

[Charlie Kirk]

I am at this.

[Blake]

I know. That's why I sent it to you. Try to. Try to pronounce that. It is M N G X I T minxama.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this is like a funny, ongoing joke that we have here. The Charlie Kirk Show World. Charlie. Charlie. In accents or like, everybody thinks he's just making fun of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, but that's literally the best he can do. It's.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think my personal favorite phonetics are.

[Blake]

My personal favorite is that with Bolsonaro, Javier Bolsonaro of Brazil. It's just Bolsonaro, but, like, it's Latin American, so you gotta go. He has the compulsion.

[Charlie Kirk]

When I met him and I interviewed him, the team was like, it's Bosniaro. And he's like, bosniaro, not Bosunaro. Bolsonaro.

[Andrew]

They can't do it.

[Jack Posobiec]

But you can lean into your angle and just go with it.

[Blake]

But anyway, so this Ninick, he has a name like he's a freaking Superman villain. But anyway, this is a guy who's in the South African parliament right now. He is in. He is an elected office holder. Let's play clip418.

[Jack Posobiec]

Each one person that is being killed by the taxi industry will get five white people.

[Andrew]

Five.

[Jack Posobiec]

One black person who killed. Who killed five white people. Who killed one of us will kill five of you will kill the children, we'll kill the women. We'll kill anything.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I think. You think he wants five white people, right?

[Blake]

So he says, for everyone they kill of us will kill five white people.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's like an elect.

[Blake]

Their children will kill their women. And I don't know if it was in the clip, but he also says we'll even kill their pets.

[Jack Posobiec]

But this. This feels like a perfect example of, like, Michael Anton celebration Parallax. Because, like, if you listen to the media, they're like, it's not happening.

[Charlie Kirk]

But it's good.

[Blake]

But it's good that it is like, this is it. So, for example, the statement from the African National Congress Party, they put this out the other day.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is like a real thing.

[Blake]

We tweeted this. And so they have this whole thing disavowed the falsehood of Afrikaner refugees. And they included this line. So they have a thing where, like, we commemorate our constitution. Affirms equality, dignity and non racialism as the bedrock of national life. Then they say what the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety but impunity from transformation. They flee not from persecution, but from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege. We go on like this. My favorite part though is at the end. For media inquiries, please reach out to Mangaliso Stalin. Konza.

[Jack Posobiec]

That same guy that was.

[Blake]

No, no different guy. But they just have someone who's going by Stalin. Stalin's his nickname. Oh yeah, great.

[Andrew]

Well, so, so what's really crazy about what you're saying is, and I pulled this up last year, I'll have to pull it up again. It's. I know it's on my Twitter somewhere. But so what we call this, this whole bit about, you're saying about the past transgressions and the historical disparities, etc. So usually that type of language when we hear in the United States we would refer to that as CRT or critical Race theory. So these are typically policies and DI is a similar related policy at corporations. And you see these in schools and the military and many different large organizations and institutions throughout the United States. Here's what's crazy. In South Africa, they have it literally written into their constitution. So that means it's like, it's like in their bill of rights. So if you wanted to get rid of CRT in South Africa as it stands right now for every, every single position at every job at every government institution, this has been something that's led to, by the way, massive blackouts, what they call load shedding. So these huge blackouts throughout the country because they can't literally, they can't keep their power grid going because they can't hire qualified people because they always have to go through this CRT filter for every single position that they do. The whole thing's falling apart. And you can't just get a new president elected and turn it off. You'd actually have to change the, their foundational constitution from the 90s, which by the way was something that Bill Clinton supposedly and his administration helped Nelson Mandela on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can we play this Yamichi clip? Because I think it's, I think it's telling. 255 this is where she says it's appalling because there's just lots of crime and everybody's getting hurt. It's not just white South Africans.

[Charlie Kirk]

255 so the Trump administration, they're saying.

[Blake]

That essentially these white South Africans assimilate better. And they're also not as much of a security risk.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's really causing a lot of people.

[Blake]

To be appalled, frankly.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I also should tell people that.

[Charlie Kirk]

This violence that they're talking about that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are dealing with these Afrikaners.

[Blake]

I've been hearing from people that say.

[Jack Posobiec]

There is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race.

[Blake]

Katie, like really, it's what, it's what you said on Twitter the other day, like, deep down, what a lot of these people want is they actually want it to boil over and they kill a ton of people so they can come in and say this is what happens because they were racist. They deserve to have this happen to them. Like they really, really deep down want that to happen. And it's kind of like with, you know, with like the Floyd riots where sometimes like people, some people really wanted that to blow up and they would go burn down some middle class suburb and then they could see, like, see that's what happened. Because you did.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, you're totally right. This relates to like BLM writing where people were just like, like the liberal media was bending over backwards, twisting themselves into pretzels to try and justify the looting as like a form of reparations. Or this is what happens. What was AOC saying? That the, you know, riots are the language of a. Oh, that.

[Blake]

I mean, they would all quote MLK because he said something of that nature.

[Jack Posobiec]

Something of that. Well, I forget what the quote is, but it's like riots are the language of the unheard of the unheard, yes. Or something. And I think that's kind of the way that liberal progressives are looking at the South Africa. They look at the fact that they own 70% of the land and they think that that's not fair. Even though, I mean, there is a very clear case to be made that if you just took all that land and gave it to black South Africans, that you would see the productivity like fall off a cliff. And would they be able to even marshal the resources to be productive again? Is a large question mark. I mean, there is.

[Blake]

That's really besides the point because they don't want productivity. What they want is they just like want to kill and just like expropriate the people who have things.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I totally agree.

[Blake]

None of this can be understood without understanding that the core of it is driven by resentment and hatred of people who are productive, who are successful, who are innovative. That is what I mean. That's fundamentally what undergirds any Marxist Leninist movement.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I do think that they think in Their back of their minds, like, if we could just seize this land and give it to the black South Africans, everything would be better because our people would then share with all the wealth. The thing that. I get that it's beside the point, it's a secondary point. But, like, I'm challenging that assumption being like, if you stole all that land, there is not a single guarantee that it would be productive moving forward. I don't know the example of Zimbabwe, like how it's gone after, but it doesn't seem like it's gone very well. After they drove all the white farmers out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. What happened? Rhodesia was the gem of Africa. It was the most beautiful country. It's actually where Lion King was inspired. The Tree of Life is actually inspired from Rhodesia. And yeah, they got rid of the nice government and the Mugabe, who was actually funded by the Soviets, took over and went after the white man. In fact, one of our board members, Mike Miller, had his ranch taken away from him. He was an American jeweler who bought a ranch in Rhodesia and he was in America. He got a call and they're like the communists, basically. The blacks say that they control all your land now.

[Tyler]

You should.

[Charlie Kirk]

And they should just. They killed everyone.

[Blake]

So the head of. Not everyone. So one of the cool things. So the head of Rhodesia when it was still white, minority role, was Ian Smith was his name. He was this World War II hero. He's a very fascinating figure. And then he settles in Rhodesia after the war and eventually becomes the head of the government there. And one of the more interesting things is like, once he did step down as president, people said he should leave. And he was like, I am never going to leave. And. And he just settled in Harare, which is the capital. I think it had. I think it used to be Stanley or some other name, but he settles in Harare. And they're like, dude, they're gonna kill you. And he's like, no, they won't. They're not gonna do it. And they never did. And he just, he lived there the rest of his life. And what's really incredible is if you look at videos of modern day Zimbabwe, any news stories about it on YouTube and stuff, you'll find comments and they'll just say like, I am a black Zimbabwean and getting rid of Ian Smith is the biggest me mistake we ever made. And it was like a huge disaster. And it's very interesting. He's a fascinating figure.

[Andrew]

Rhodesia edits are like really taking off on TikTok right now. They're. They're Only they're number two behind Charlie Kirk campus clips. But is that right?

[Charlie Kirk]

What do you mean edits? Tell me.

[Andrew]

So, Rhodesia? No, it's, it's like what Blake is talking about. So it's. I was joking. It's like the zoomers found out about Rhodesia. So they'll find footage of what, what Harare in different parts of Rhodesia looked like during that time and they'll put edits to. It usually starts off with, if you remember that movie Blood diamond with like Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Connelly. And they're at this bar and he goes. And she goes, oh, well that's something, you know, that's easy for you to say as a white South African. And he goes, white South African? I'm a Rhodesian. And she goes, I thought we said Zimbabwe now. And he looks at her, he just goes, do we? And then it cuts to like the music comes in and everybody's like. And it's just showing how nice Rhodesia was when it was, you know, when it was not under communist control. But they're really, really all over TikTok right now.

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[Blake]

There's definitely like a few people for whom this is like a kind of aspirational thing in a sort of gross way. I don't think we should deny that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sure.

[Blake]

What we also shouldn't deny is like, they're like. To the extent that South Africa remains functional, a lot of it is because of these Afrikaners who have English and Africana's who have like built up the country and have like worked very hard to sustain it. And this sort of like Marxist ideology that views any form of like success or any wealth disparity as the greatest crime ever. They will blow the country to smithereens.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, one of the only other functional South Africa, south sub Saharan African nations is Kenya, which is also in the English system. So it's like you look at the way that we do laws and the way that we, we, we have customs and form of government. I mean the English exports across the world succeeded at the highest clip, I would say ever. And what they're doing is trying to dismantle that vestige as well as, you know, the drive out of the way.

[Blake]

The most successful African countries are often the ones that were the most determined to kind of sustain their European legacy. Like West Africa is not a great place in general. But for about 20 years after independence, probably the most successful one was Ivory coast, which is so French that they go around making everyone call them Cote d' Ivoire instead of Ivory coast and.

[Andrew]

I would say Cote d' Ivoire.

[Blake]

Yeah, something, whatever. But also there's no elephants there. The Ivory coast name is basically a lie.

[Andrew]

But anyway, it's because they killed them all for the ivory.

[Blake]

Blank. Well, ivory is pretty cool, so it's understandable.

[Charlie Kirk]

There isn't. There's still an ivory embargo in the West.

[Blake]

Well, I mean they're trying to make them go extinct, man. It's not good.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have a whole thought crime on that, which is when it was legal to hunt elephants, there were more elephants. When the poachers now do it, there's less elephants. Anyway, it's basic economics. Hunters want more.

[Blake]

If you want the truth, a lot of it was post independence, a lot of the order broke down. And so I'm sure that's true. You had a lot more. Like they would actually police against poaching.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no, that's what I'm saying. But because there was a incentive to do that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, there was an incentive to keep it on the up and up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

To make it order.

[Blake]

Well, there's still incentives, but now what it is is African countries are kind of. They lack state capacity. So it's like stopping crime if you're in, you know. Well, for example, if you're in a South African city, like they have police. The police are just not super effective. What is cool, you may like this though is in, I think in Kenya, maybe some others. But because poachers are so bad and like so aggressive in some African states, I think Kenya. But I just want to preface that I might be wrong. The anti poaching police have the right to just shoot to kill if they find poaching.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct. Yep. And the most effective anti poaching groups though are the mercenaries. And I mean it's. Poaching is a very serious. Yeah, serious thing in Africa. It's. Anyway, sorry, we're gonna have.

[Blake]

Rhinos are gonna go extinct. Because our next topic, we'll get to the Chinese. They just. If there's an animal and it's beautiful and rare and like you'd want to make an animal cracker out of it, the Chinese want to eat it because they think it's an aphrodisiac.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's a major problem or a cure for cancer.

[Blake]

Mostly aphrodisiacs. No one?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I thought the whole.

[Andrew]

It's typically aphrodisiac. No, it's, it's true. No, when I, when I was in China, I would see it everywhere and you would find people just absolutely swore by it. It's. And it's not, it's not like a, you know, in some like secret shop where you've got to go for like the curio shop. Like, like it's the 1920s Chinatown or something. It's just like, it's just like all over the place in like regular pharmacies and stuff.

[Blake]

But yeah. So now obviously we have. They're letting in some of the Afrikaners into the US which I'm thrilled about. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should take 600,000 of them and.

[Charlie Kirk]

Put them in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Georgia and Pennsylvania.

[Tyler]

We have actually a lot here in Arizona.

[Charlie Kirk]

We have a lot of South Africans.

[Tyler]

Tons of South Africans.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. I wonder what their voting rates would be.

[Charlie Kirk]

We have a South African on one of our boards.

[Jack Posobiec]

I wonder if we. But you think there'd be like 80, 20, 90, 10.

[Charlie Kirk]

So some of them are 95.

[Tyler]

Seriously, they're all conservative.

[Blake]

I don't want to over assume things because some of like, some of them are, you know, very devoutly religious in that old Dutch reform sort of way. But the truth is like they are kind of also a lot of march liberal in the way like white Europeans are.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know. The South Africans I've met at the experiences they have what they disdain. They come here hating race, politics, everything. That's like one of the things they hate.

[Tyler]

And it's beyond that too. It's just. It's the entire cultural of it being anti Marxist is they are every single one that I've met here in Arizona. Again, we have a lot. We have a lot of oddly conservative South Africans and they're all vocal.

[Charlie Kirk]

One of the best ear, nose and throat doctors in Scottsdale was a guy by the name is still alive Dr. Head and Neck Surgery Dr. Gordon Chait. South African great guy. Anyway, so I just happen to know a lot of South Africans.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well when I was growing up there was already a lot of South Africans at my school.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're super decent people.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well they were good. It was good family, very productive, smart. K. We have to be careful.

[Blake]

So we have to watch out for is thinking on it more. I think the liberal South African Europeans are the English. This is one of the most underrated weird rivalries in the world. English South Africans and Boer Dutch South Africans do not like each other.

[Jack Posobiec]

Blood diamond was Rhodesia.

[Blake]

Probably. I didn't see that movie.

[Andrew]

Oh no. It had ties to Rhodesia.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Okay. Well there's a Rhodesian clip from Blood diamond that we could play if you guys are interested.

[Andrew]

Oh, you should totally play it.

[Jack Posobiec]

439. Let's go play it.

[Andrew]

I'm from Rhodesia. We say Zimbabwe, don't we?

[Charlie Kirk]

Do we?

[Tyler]

Piss off.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I get it. I. I thought it was just a movie clip, but it's the tick tock edits that Jack's talking about.

[Charlie Kirk]

We say.

[Jack Posobiec]

We say Zimbabwe, don't we? Do we?

[Andrew]

Do we?

[Tyler]

Do we South African.

[Charlie Kirk]

How good of an actor he is.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's. He's like Tom. Tom Cruise. You can make fun of these people but they're really good to watch.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like bad famous actors like Kevin Costner who's an objectively awful actor. Like very bad. And then you like. You like Kevin Costner.

[Blake]

I don't have strong feelings about him. You just really hated Draft Day.

[Charlie Kirk]

You will never see Kevin Costner the same through the same lens when you acknowledge he's a terrible actor.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, he was really bad. Like Water World.

[Tyler]

I feel like Gen X.

[Andrew]

I've always defended water.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't have.

[Blake]

I don't have strong.

[Jack Posobiec]

You like Water World, Jack?

[Andrew]

I love. I love Waterworld.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, that's.

[Blake]

People just love terrible.

[Andrew]

I think it's so.

[Tyler]

The drink.

[Andrew]

It's so good.

[Blake]

Star Wars Episode 3 just got re released and I had to endure people protecting, pretending that movie is good.

[Andrew]

Yeah, don't get me started on that. But no, I like. I liked Waterworld, obviously. Everyone. We've covered Yellowstone, then the hick livery of that a million times. I thought the postman was good. Remember the Tom Petty scene?

[Jack Posobiec]

No.

[Andrew]

When he walks up like, hey, man, I know you. You used to be someone. He's like, not anymore, man. I'm just. I'm just anybody else now. So good.

[Tyler]

I feel like every Gen X male defends Field of Dreams.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will say that, like, costume used to be made fun of for how bad of an actor he was. Like jfk, he was a terrible actor in that movie.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's just.

[Tyler]

Oh, I never watched that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I guess, like older Kevin, more.

[Andrew]

Like regal and more JFK is not a good movie.

[Charlie Kirk]

But another bad actor is Ben Affleck. He's a terrible.

[Tyler]

Yes, 100%.

[Andrew]

Except. Except. Except in. In Accountant, where he literally plays someone who has a mental disorder. And I guess the new Pearl Harbor.

[Tyler]

I always bring up, no, the new.

[Andrew]

Accountant's out, but I haven't seen it yet. But no, the only one I like Ben Affleck in is the Accountant, where he literally plays someone who is supposed to be like a wooden mute. So as he's like, neurodivergent with personality issues and it's like, oh, yeah, he could play that just fine.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, my gosh.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Internet believes that Gwyneth Paltrow is the worst actress ever. I don't think that's right. I don't.

[Andrew]

How come. How come Gwyneth Paltrow never threw Harvey Weinstein under the bus?

[Charlie Kirk]

They. Then they say that Keanu Reeves is a bad actor. I think he's a good actor.

[Jack Posobiec]

Keanu Reeves is like.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's based and smart.

[Jack Posobiec]

The bat. He's a bad actor that has, like, survived. And so therefore he's become, like, kind of likable for his. It's become a shtick. It's become like a staple of our childhood. So it's like, okay, now he was.

[Blake]

In like, the Matrix, which is the.

[Andrew]

No, the worst one. The. The absolute worst one. And I will. I will absolutely. I will go to bat for the die in this hill is Jennifer Lawrence. Jennifer Lawrence not act. She is horrible. She had all of her, like, all of her casting dried up after Harvey Weinstein got arrested. And nobody even said anything about it because everybody knew what was going on there. She's objectively just a bad, bad actress.

[Tyler]

Yeah, she drives me crazy.

[Jack Posobiec]

What was that? What was the one she Got really famous for the Hunger Games.

[Tyler]

Hunger Games? Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

You.

[Andrew]

You.

[Jack Posobiec]

You've sometimes used.

[Charlie Kirk]

I like it. No, it's good stuff.

[Andrew]

About Hunger Games. Not Jennifer Lawrence.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, she's. By the way, the reason you. Let's just be honest. Why Hunger Games is good. Has Philip Seymour Hoffman.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Philip Seymour Hoffman is great.

[Charlie Kirk]

One of the greats. You want to talk about acting? Anything with Philip Seymour Hoffman. Blake is uninterested.

[Blake]

Well, I've been watching all of the Mission Impossible movies because, like, the final one is coming out soon.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's so good at that character.

[Blake]

He's pretty good in Mission Impossible.

[Charlie Kirk]

There is that archetype of, like, the kind of, like, crafty. There's something happening.

[Andrew]

But Charlie.

[Tyler]

Well, they're talking about bringing back Philip Seymour Hoffman and using AI. Using AI.

[Blake]

Okay. No, I've got to stand against this. No. I don't know. Actors are bad news.

[Andrew]

Wait, but Charlie, Charlie, how. How bad is it that we didn't. That we are not going to get in this lifetime. Philip Seymour Hoffman playing Steve Bannon.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I mean, come on. That's worth AI. Okay, one.

[Blake]

I always. I might do that now.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can't unsee that. Look at this. You got to put the picture.

[Andrew]

You got to put the picture up.

[Jack Posobiec]

Put it up. Yeah. Sorry.

[Andrew]

It's. It's. It's Steve. Like, it's literally Steve.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, come on. And he would do a marvelous job.

[Andrew]

Such a good job.

[Jack Posobiec]

He needs to. That. That Baby Bannon thing, it would be like him doing that monologue.

[Andrew]

I made that. I made that this morning. I made it. I made a baby Stephen Miller last night to just test it out. And then I made Baby Bannon this morning, and it did, like, a million views.

[Charlie Kirk]

Should we do first try.

[Jack Posobiec]

Should we do Baby Bannon?

[Charlie Kirk]

What platform do you use to make that? Which AI Generator.

[Andrew]

So it's. You have to use a bunch together. So you have to generate a still image of the baby version of someone first. Then you. Then you get the audio. So you want the actual audio?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's too much work.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, Jack, wait. Let me just play it. 441.

[Andrew]

And then you animate it.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is Baby Bannon.

[Andrew]

Cause the facts are on our side. Joe Biden never got 15 million votes. More votes than Barack Obama. Impossible. We didn't pick up net 12 house.

[Charlie Kirk]

Seats when we lost the presidential.

[Andrew]

We didn't win 19 of the 20 bellwethers.

[Charlie Kirk]

And lose the presidency.

[Andrew]

Impossible. So I made a pen into a crayon. I used this software called Hydra that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lets you animate on this Jack.

[Andrew]

Honestly, that one took like, 20 minutes. It wasn't hard at all.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Philip Siebert. This 442, if you throw that image up, that's a pretty like ban. Like, that is banning.

[Andrew]

Again, you have to control the memes.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, come on.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's Steve Bannon.

[Andrew]

When you control the meme.

[Charlie Kirk]

He died was a drug.

[Blake]

I think it was an oxy over.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, he was so young.

[Andrew]

He was. It was opioids. Yeah, I think it was an opioid thing. It was a Franklin special.

[Blake]

I think he was like the first job Franklin.

[Andrew]

Good job, Frank.

[Jack Posobiec]

Straight heroin.

[Andrew]

Great, great job, Frank.

[Charlie Kirk]

He has one of the greatest scenes ever in Hunger Games when it's just like when he's talking about, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, my gosh, he was in Moneyball. I forgot.

[Charlie Kirk]

He was really good in Moneyball.

[Jack Posobiec]

So good money, punch drunk love, Boogie Night.

[Charlie Kirk]

One of the greatest actors ever.

[Blake]

Yeah, ever. Huge loss.

[Jack Posobiec]

Almost famous Charlie. Talented Mr. Ripley.

[Andrew]

He's the CIA guy in Charlie before the devil knows. A great idea, Charlie. It's gonna be a great idea.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, is it me, or has there not been, like, a cultural transformational movie in, like, five years? Like, everyone gravitates towards it. Everyone talks about it.

[Blake]

Years.

[Charlie Kirk]

10 years.

[Andrew]

The Paul Thomas Anderson movie.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, like Avatar Was the closest I could think of.

[Blake]

And yet Avatars, like, had no cultural, like, sticking relevance, sticking point.

[Andrew]

But Avatar was awful. Wait, wait.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's subconsciously convinced people to be environmentalists.

[Blake]

No, that was like environmentalism. No, but people were environmentalist in the 90s. The 2000.

[Andrew]

No, FernGully already existed.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was. It had all these like, indigenous people.

[Jack Posobiec]

Adaptation, adoption of climate change. Didn't come.

[Charlie Kirk]

Isn't there another one coming out though?

[Jack Posobiec]

It was like it was a virus, virulent subculture. But it was like he had that.

[Blake]

Terrible the Day after tomorrow movie in 2004. And like the plot was just like Fern Gully plus Pocahontas. Like Avatar was blue Pocahontas, any of that stuff. That was all just James Cameron, like absurd fandom. Made a ton of money. We got all those terrible 3D movies afterwards. But the cultural staying power of it was minimal. Although I do remember there was this extremely bizarre rail.

[Tyler]

It was the. It was the highest grossing film ever.

[Blake]

That's the thing though.

[Andrew]

Like, no, no, because it was a roller coaster.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was about.

[Andrew]

Titanic went to Avatar. People went to Avatar because it was like a roller coaster. It was like the first big 3D movie. Yeah, it was. It was like those. It's like those movies. And James Cameron spent a lot of time, by the way, in. In the interim between Titanic and that making those. Like, he would make those, like movies that you watch at the observatory kind of things where you're like. Or like, oh, wow, I'm at the planetarium, but now I'm underwater. Look at me, look at this. Like, like that. That's all it was. It was just a series of like scenescapes that looked cool in 3D. And that's why I did so much business. I was in China when it came out at one point. And I mean, it was. There'd be theaters in downtown Shanghai where it was the only thing playing on every screen in a 24 screen theater. And the Chinese loved it because they'd never seen anything like that before. But it wasn't because of like the, you know, the plot or anything like that. Like, they could care less. Like, they just thought it was like a cool experience.

[Blake]

And then we got Avatar to the Way of Water that already came out. It already made over $2 billion and it was equally irrelevant.

[Andrew]

Like.

[Blake]

Or not irrelevant, but had no staying power. And what. That's.

[Andrew]

I want to watch. I want to watch the Master again. It's the Scientology movie. I really want to. It's so good.

[Jack Posobiec]

So apparently Adjusted for inflation, Gone with the Wind is still.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Gone with the Wind still number one.

[Andrew]

Yeah. When you adjust for inflation, it's like Gone with the Wind and Star Wars.

[Charlie Kirk]

These Avengers movies, dude, I have no idea. I think Marvel slop is one of. I just. I. Oh, no.

[Blake]

People love their Marvel slop.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can watch it once they've been game. Like, what is going on here?

[Andrew]

Like, they've been going down.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, they have.

[Blake]

All right, we need. Okay. Adjusted for inflation. Now, this can all be pretty, like, misleading because, like, back in the day, lot of these movies didn't have, like, total global releases.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think the Godfather still one of the greatest movies of all time.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I could watch.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will. I will die on that hill.

[Andrew]

Any Godfather one is better than Godfather.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct. But you know Godfather. Well, let me think about that. Three is the worst, in my opinion. I think three is the weak.

[Blake]

Everyone but three.

[Andrew]

It's a weak is. But it's still a good movie.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I like because it's provocative. Okay. I've never talked about Godfather in this show.

[Blake]

Worst part about Godfather 3 is that Sofia Coppola is in it. And the best part of Godfather 3 is that she gets shot at the end of the Godfather 3.

[Andrew]

She's not that bad. People. People hate on her, but she's not that bad.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let me think about this. The reason I like Godfather 2, I think they successfully talked about the backstory, and they did a really good job of flashbacking.

[Blake]

That's my problem with it.

[Charlie Kirk]

You don't like it.

[Blake]

Well, we get this in a lot of movies now where people will be like, this movie was good because it explained how a thing happened and it built. Who cares?

[Tyler]

Godfather 2 is the same.

[Andrew]

Exactly. Correct.

[Tyler]

Back to the Future, too.

[Charlie Kirk]

But that wasn't the only part of the movie. It was.

[Andrew]

But that was the point of Back to the Future, too, because it changes this, I think.

[Blake]

God. I think the stuff with Corleone is good. I think the stuff with Michael is good, but they aren't really that strongly related to each other. Like, I'm sure some film father. I mean, yeah. But I'm sure some film nerd can say, like, oh, these things play together, but really, for the most part, they don't. And there's no, like, you could tell the entire story that was in Godfather Part 2 from, like, Michael's perspective without needing the veto stuff. And really.

[Andrew]

Correct.

[Blake]

The only part where the overlap matters is at the end where there's the flashback, and it's like, right after he's killed his brother. That's what his brother is the only one who sticks up for him when he joins the military. Like that's a great scene. That's what makes any of the Prelude stuff.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but that makes the whole movie.

[Blake]

Yeah, but none of like, none of you know the original. Like there's no dude open with a knife has anything.

[Andrew]

You're just getting more information that you already knew that doesn't actually add to the dramatic tension of the events that are ongoing. Whereas in the first movie it is a wholly self contained film within one timeline, as opposed to needing these like bridges to go into. Into the past that don't end up going aware. Also, you get rid of Robert De Niro and I think that's something we can all agree on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, De Niro isn't Godfather 2, right?

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, he's. He plays.

[Andrew]

Not saying is you cut? No, that's. I'm saying if you cut the flashbacks out, you would get rid of Robert De Niro.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you want.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm sorry, Hot take. He's actually a good actor.

[Blake]

Do you want my really controversial movie take?

[Andrew]

No, I know, but he deserves to be.

[Blake]

I don't like Goodfellas. I actively.

[Charlie Kirk]

I agree. I think it's overrated. Yeah, like I'm not a huge fan.

[Andrew]

Producer Foz is like banging on.

[Charlie Kirk]

You want to know the. The one with Jack Nicklaus is better than Goodfellas. What's that one called? The one we talked about it? Well, the Boston.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Blake]

The Departed.

[Andrew]

Much better than the Departed is so good. I love the Departed.

[Blake]

So first of all, this is. Is me being super like midwestern German. I generally don't like mob movies.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's a good actor. I'm sorry, I hate how good of actor.

[Blake]

I generally don't like mob movies because I personally watch them and I just want the police to kick in the door and like gun everyone down for the sake of law and order. So I can't relate to that really.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you don't like the Sopranos?

[Blake]

I've never seen the Sopranos.

[Charlie Kirk]

Breaking Bad.

[Blake]

Never seen Breaking Bad.

[Charlie Kirk]

See, this is. We got to see. They don't.

[Blake]

They don't fully appeal to me.

[Charlie Kirk]

See all these? That's so interesting.

[Blake]

So. So that like the Departed. So you know what's interesting with the Departed? You might want to go watch this. It's a remake of a Hong Kong movie. And the Hong Kong movies.

[Andrew]

Internal Affairs.

[Blake]

Infernal Affairs, I believe.

[Andrew]

Oh, it's Infernal. Yeah.

[Blake]

I haven't seen it, but my understanding is a big issue with it is in the Infernal affairs, the Matt Damon equivalent character is more sympathetic than he is in the Departed. So he survives, I believe the end of Infernal Affairs. But it's like, okay, I think it's something like the, you know, the Leonardo DiCaprio guy dies, but the Matt Damon equivalent, like, goes straight as a cop. I'm going off memory here. It's been a long time. But then when they made it in America, Matt Damon guy was so despicable that no one would tolerate him surviving that movie. So they clearly just ran out of. They were like, how are we going to resolve this? Kill everyone. And they just killed everybody.

[Tyler]

The amount of information you retain is unbelievable.

[Charlie Kirk]

Infernal Affairs.

[Blake]

Infernal.

[Andrew]

No, he's right. I've seen. I've seen the Hong Kong version with the. You know, it's like, one. It was one of the movies I would watch when I was doing, like, language learning, even though I don't speak Cantonese. But you can still do it with the Mandarin subtitles. They're similar. And it. You're right. Like, the Matt Damon character is like. He's just not a douchebag. He is like, he is in the. In the Departed version. The Departed version, you want him to get shot. And then in this, it's like, oh, he's actually kind of cool. Like, he's actually. He. He's. He's like. It's more like he's seen as, like, an upstanding, you know, honorable police officer who's put into a bad situation, if that makes sense.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now, are we Pulp Fiction fans?

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

I love Pulp's favorite movie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it really Trump's favorite movie?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Really? It's not like Phantom of the Opera or something?

[Andrew]

No, that's.

[Charlie Kirk]

I never knew that was Trump's favorite movie, but. Well, there is a fan of the.

[Blake]

Opera movie, but, yeah, the Phantom of the Opera movie. This is gonna annoy you again, because I remember it. So the original Phantom of the Opera, the musical takes place in the 1890s.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And the movie version, they changed the year to 1870 for no reason. And that was the one year they should not have picked, because in 1870, Paris is surrounded by the Prussian army, and they're all starving, and they're eating the animals in the city zoo. It would be like if you made a movie that was, like, set in 19, like, 55 Germany, and you just moved it to 1945 for no reason, and there was no mention of World War II at all. And everything was just normal.

[Tyler]

I don't find that annoying. For the record, I think it's really intriguing that you have all this information.

[Andrew]

Well, but, but, but at the same time, it's the real issue with that isn't. Isn't the dating of it. It was that. And by the way, Emily Rossum is fantastic in that. It was that Gerard Butler can't sing for all the fun that he is and the great characters that he's played in like 300 and everything else. Like, I'm sorry but like, I don't want like King Leonidas should not be singing love songs, you know, to Christine Daae. Like, it just. It really didn't work. It really didn't work.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that was a good side. That was good.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was good. Yeah. Thanks for taking us down. Movie. Movie.

[Andrew]

And. And then the dude from the conjuring plays raul.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jack Posobiec]

If Pulp Fiction is Trump's favorite movie, Rapid fire, what is your favorite movie? Tyler, go.

[Tyler]

I'm a big. I'm a big. We were just talking about this interstellar.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, interesting.

[Blake]

Really?

[Jack Posobiec]

I have a friend that's in there.

[Tyler]

Oh, that's like. That's like such a generic thing.

[Andrew]

You know what? I'm out.

[Blake]

I can't do this.

[Tyler]

Matthew McConaughey.

[Charlie Kirk]

I get those two confused all the time.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

What about you, Blake?

[Blake]

Gun to head. I usually. I'M not like number one favorites, but I usually will say like, Die Hard is my favorite action movie. My favorite like comedy movie.

[Jack Posobiec]

The original though.

[Blake]

I usually say, yeah, Die Hards are great. I usually say, thank you for smoking.

[Charlie Kirk]

Die Hard two Socks.

[Blake]

Thank you for smoking is really good.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you've Never Die Hard 3, which one is that?

[Jack Posobiec]

That's the one in New York.

[Blake]

The bombs in New York.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And wait.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you for saying that's David Sacks movie.

[Blake]

Oh yeah, he was involved in.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was Elon. Elon Musk.

[Blake]

Thank you for smoking Die Hard 3 is. Is really funny because Die Hard has the best TV edits. So like in, in Die Hard. Well, In Die Hard 3, remember, the villain makes him like where the.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't remember it. I gotta see.

[Blake]

He has the sign that says I hate n words. Oh, I don't like in the town. And then on TV they edit it with digitally to say I hate everyone. And it makes it really funny because then this crowd is surrounding him and like threatening to like, you know, kill him or beat the crap out of him. It's like they're really militant about him saying he'd hates everyone.

[Charlie Kirk]

The first Die Hard is one of the greatest.

[Blake]

And then the first one when he says, you know, yippee ki yay. You know, mother, they, they change it to yippee ki yay.

[Andrew]

Mr. Falcon, wait, I have a thought crime on this. I have a thought crime on this. My thought crime on this is that I like Lethal Weapon and the Lethal Weapon series better than Die Hard.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Andrew]

I've always liked it better.

[Jack Posobiec]

Rene Russo or Rene Full Circle.

[Blake]

That were the bad guys in Lethal Weapon 2. I don't remember the South African.

[Tyler]

South Africans.

[Blake]

Diplomatic immunity.

[Andrew]

But then they were the bad guys in. Who are the real bad guys based on. In Die Hard 1.

[Blake]

Die Hard 1, it was a bunch of irritating Germans.

[Andrew]

Who are they based? Red Army. Right. But they're based on the Red army faction who are an actual left wing like KGB front group in that operate in West Germany.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's such a. An op on the. The modern American mind of who we villainize because of these movies. Right? Like it is plausible that we hate South Africans or a certain cohort state hate South Africans simply because of the movie depictions and things like that. I mean we really have to be on guard for that, right? I mean we. I grew up hating Germans when I was like 12 years old because of all the World War II movies.

[Blake]

If you want to really.

[Tyler]

What was your guys's favorite movie though.

[Andrew]

Same.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, oh, Godfather or Lord of the Rings.

[Tyler]

Oh, no, we'll go down that Godfather.

[Blake]

Gay.

[Tyler]

No, Godfather's the least gay.

[Blake]

It's a movie filled with Italians being emotional.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, you're just being ridiculous with Italians being emotional. Dude, this is the thing. Italian. I get away with way more effeminate stuff and still be straight as an arrow.

[Charlie Kirk]

People are going to. I like the Dark. I think it's a great.

[Tyler]

Oh, the Dark Knight's class. Actually, I could watch the Dark Knight.

[Jack Posobiec]

I agree with you. It's really hard for me to pin one down. I would. I was gonna go with the Godfather 2. I like it better than one, but I love one. And then I was gonna go with Back. This is, this is gonna get me in trouble. Back to the future.

[Tyler]

2.

[Jack Posobiec]

2. I love going to the future.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Blake]

Back to the future.

[Jack Posobiec]

I love like the hoverboard stuff and but like that's just like watchability.

[Tyler]

He goes to the future and then goes back in time. It's like it's got everything.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm gonna have another really terrible take. He goes, going to hate me for this. But goodwill hunting. I still love that movie. I know, I know.

[Charlie Kirk]

What is wrong with you?

[Tyler]

Oh, I, I the same movie. My second top movie is Fury. I love Fury.

[Blake]

What is wrong with Fury?

[Andrew]

Oh, Fury's great Fury is fantastic.

[Blake]

Speaking of villains and who we're allowed to have as villains, it's not.

[Jack Posobiec]

Pre Ben Affle JLo and all that Ben.

[Blake]

Affleck movies that also go into who we can have as villains. Did you ever see the Sum of All Fears?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I hate them.

[Blake]

So the Sum of All Fears. The book by Tom Clancy. The villains who get a nuclear bomb and they like use it to blow up the Denver Broncos. I think.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The state.

[Blake]

The villains in that are Islamic terrorists. And when they made the movie in 2002, they were like, we can't attack the religion of peace. That's not okay. So they got rid of the Islamic terrorists and they made them Neo Nazis.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then. Well, then, and then, then he was also on Bill Maher being like, you can't say that about Muslims, Ben. One good Ben Affleck movie that doesn't get enough appreciation. The town. He went back to Boston for the town's alright. It's legitimately a good film.

[Blake]

Sorry.

[Andrew]

It's a solid film.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know who's one of those underrated actors I was looking? Russell Crowe.

[Tyler]

Russell Crow. Russell Crowe.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you like Fat Rock, by the way? I wanted to say, I wanted to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Say they don't make movies like that anymore. The new Gladiator Russell Crowe.

[Blake]

So Ridley Scott. I'm sure the original Gladiator is good. Aliens good. Napoleon.

[Tyler]

Wait, wait. Beautiful.

[Blake]

Gladiator 2 are two of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life. If you ever want, Charlie, if we need to fill time, you can give me a camera and a microphone, and I could go for an hour straight uninterrupted on how bad Napoleon was. That was a terrible.

[Tyler]

We did that before.

[Andrew]

Now, here's the question.

[Blake]

We didn't go along enough. I could have.

[Andrew]

We're going back to go back to Russell Crowe, though, because, you know, we got to say, like, it's. It's just weird, though, when I see, like, the current, like, big, big, fat Russell Crowe as opposed to, like, the Gladiator Russell Crowe. Because that's, like, in my head, that's always who he'll be. But I guess he's on that, like, Taylor Swift tour diet or something because he's. He's just all chubbed up now, and he's in those.

[Tyler]

He got fat during a beautiful line, which is, like, right next.

[Charlie Kirk]

Russell Crowe's gained a ton of weight.

[Jack Posobiec]

The Shawshank Redemption.

[Andrew]

I forgot that video of him driving. Driving at the Little Scooter in. In the. The Pope's Exorcist. It's like the funniest thing. There's, like, that became this meme for a while because it's just like. It's big, fat Russell Crowe driving a tiny little Vespa around Vatican City in, you know, in a priest cassock.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, it's another area. Reservoir Dogs. Great movie.

[Jack Posobiec]

Fight Club.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Movie.

[Charlie Kirk]

You guys like Reservoir Dogs?

[Andrew]

Love Reservoir Dogs.

[Blake]

I don't. So I. I'm sure it's fine. I haven't seen it. I overall. I overall don't like Quentin Tarantino.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why?

[Blake]

I feel like whenever I'm watching a Quentin Tarantino movie, I can't help escaping the feeling this is a movie made by a really weird person.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sick puppy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, Kill Bill is. Is objectively.

[Blake]

He's, like, obsessed with feet. And it's like.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, he's got, like, a toe fetish.

[Blake]

This is a real toe fetish. He has, like, talk forever in a way that I don't find interesting.

[Tyler]

I just.

[Charlie Kirk]

I like Kill Bill.

[Tyler]

I just. I just remembered the Russell Crowe. Roger Ailes. Did you watch the loudest voice?

[Andrew]

No.

[Tyler]

No one's watched this. You gotta watch it.

[Jack Posobiec]

He interviewed him or something?

[Tyler]

No, he played Roger Ailes. It's it's not a, it's not a great depiction of Fox and all that stuff. So it's not like, oh, man.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you guys remember the first time you saw Memento? Do you remember that?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah.

[Blake]

Even if I had, I don't want to ruin it. I've forgotten it because you don't remember things.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't want to ruin it. But like, you should watch Moment to have.

[Blake]

I.

[Andrew]

Speaking of, speaking of Quentin Tarantino, you know that new movie Sinners that's out right now is a total ripoff of Dust till Dawn.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's.

[Andrew]

It's the, the vampire one that he did in with. With George Clooney, by the way, who has been in the news this week for Joe Biden. Apparently that it's. It's the new movie Sinners. Michael B. Jordan is kind of like a South Africa version of that because it's literally just a movie about. Instead of like two guys trying to fight against vampires in a bar, it's two black guys killing white vampires in a. Also in a bar.

[Jack Posobiec]

I missed that last part.

[Blake]

But also in a bar.

[Andrew]

He said also in a bar.

[Jack Posobiec]

We do actually have topics that we were prepared for. Should we move on?

[Charlie Kirk]

We have meetings like Stacked. So let's go five more minutes. Do a quick super. Pick your best one. I literally have three more meetings. So.

[Jack Posobiec]

So welcome to the.

[Blake]

They brought. They made Pete Rose eligible for the hall of Fame. Did you hear about this?

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's go do this again.

[Andrew]

Charlie.

[Blake]

Do they. They announced that the ban. Manfred, the commissioner of baseball announced that they are revoking the ban on.

[Charlie Kirk]

You are obsessed with Pete Rose.

[Andrew]

Yeah. An American hero.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake.

[Blake]

Brothers, if you want. Do you want to. Do you want to do that?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Andrew]

Menendez brothers should have never bet against the team.

[Charlie Kirk]

Team most hits in MLB history. Bet against 17 all 17 time all. All star at five different positions. The guy three time world champion.

[Tyler]

The guy that banned him died.

[Charlie Kirk]

Two Gold Gloves, Silver Slugger, World Series MVP.

[Blake]

I mean, okay, so there was another.

[Jack Posobiec]

Guy, like it was.

[Blake]

There was another guy that Rob Manfred revoked the ban on. I'm trying to remember the name, but he was, he was involved in corrupting the morals of a 14 year old girl. Would you at least oppose putting that guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. I don't know who that is.

[Blake]

Pete Rose. Okay, well, Rose also did that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can you prove it?

[Blake]

Well, he admitted it in court, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I mean, depends, I think.

[Jack Posobiec]

What?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you know, was he like criminally convicted for being a pedophile?

[Blake]

He was sued for it later and Admitted that they had a relationship.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was the seventies. It was just.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not gonna.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, I'm kidding. Like, I don't know. I don't know that part of it. That's a lesser known part of the discussion, candidly.

[Tyler]

Well, that came up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Was that based on it? Was his prohibition based on that?

[Blake]

No, that just came out later. In addition to all the gambling he did, he just doesn't seem to have been a very good guy, unfortunately. And he totally bet on, basically.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not great people are still allowed to be in the hall of Fame.

[Blake]

Not great people who. Keep in mind. Keep in mind for me, the key thing about Pete Rose when he says he didn't bet on. Against his own team is that he lied at every step of the process. He said, I don't bet. And then he said, I bet, but not on baseball. And then he said, I bet on baseball, but not, you know, on. With my. In games my own team was involved in. And we finally got up to the point of I bet on my own team, but never against my own team. And that is when he accepted a ban to stop any further investigation. And that's key to me. He took the ban to avoid any further investigation which could have been criminal in nature. So he took this ban to stay out of prison. And then he suddenly tries to have it both ways by coming back 15 years later and saying, now, I'm going to admit I bet, but not. Not on my own team. Just. I'm gonna admit. Betting or not. Not against my own team. I'll admit I bet, including on my own team, but please don't do all the. You know. Now, please let me stop the investigator. He always was just. He would lie on everything. And then when he thought there was some advantage to admitting some part of it, he would finally cop to it. I just think so. I just think he has no credibility for that sort of thing. And then he also just.

[Andrew]

But that's not what the hall of Fame is about. The hall of Fame's about the people.

[Blake]

Steroid guys.

[Tyler]

Look, look, Blake, There's a point of their performance. Babe Ruth was, like, really objectively a bad dude. Like, he, like.

[Blake]

Yeah, no.

[Tyler]

Yeah, baby.

[Blake]

What did he do?

[Tyler]

Have you not researched anything about Babe?

[Blake]

What did he do?

[Tyler]

The guy, like, lived in whorehouses and, like. And just drank and drank himself to the ball club. No, no, no.

[Blake]

He drank.

[Tyler]

He would be.

[Andrew]

He would be.

[Tyler]

He would be literally on the floor. They would pick him up. He'd go up and swing and hit the ball. He was. It was he still great?

[Blake]

More impressive as a baseball player?

[Tyler]

Yeah but everything you're saying he's like, he's just a bad dude. Babe Ruth was like I don't think.

[Blake]

Having alcohol is comparable. No, he lived in if he was.

[Andrew]

A raging alcoholic he lived routinely mistreated.

[Tyler]

In literal the slums with, with like I'm telling you, like whorehouses. Like this is what he did and what you're saying is just because he's a bad guy he shouldn't, we should still celebrate Babe Ruth as the baseball, baseball player that he was.

[Charlie Kirk]

We gotta go. Sorry guys. Email us freedom charlie kirk.com thanks for committing thought crimes with us. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us. As always, freedom charliekirk.com thanks so much for listening, listening and God bless.

[Blake]

For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.

[Jack Posobiec]

Com.