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Use me.
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Yeah, no, I've got some rice here down by my feet, which of course are also uncovered. And I'm going to be using those to raise them up to just eat my hands. And I want to make sure, by the way, I want to go further than Zoran Mamdani. I want to go. I want to go and actually eat the rice with my hands on the subway itself so that all the people around me get to feel and smell the festive aroma of my rice and my slop and my goo and my sauce and slime out there. I mean, look. Okay, so people know that I have for a long time. And I know that I've said this number of times on this show that. That I have a re. Like, I have. I have really weird, really, you know, angry responses when people don't. You know, people make, like, eating sounds.
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Oh, Jack, that's why I threw to you. Jack gets really upset.
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Yeah, yeah. I have, like, misophonia. Like, I had to, like, go off. I had to walk off the show a couple weeks ago. And. And yeah, something like. No, what's your thing, though? Is like something like this wouldn't necessarily trigger it. It's more like the sounds or, you know, if he was, like, stuffing his Mouth too full or something like that. To me, this is just gross. This is just like normal gross behavior. But I've always been critical of people, politicians. There was a dude palave or whatever up in Canada who was chewing an apple like really loudly while he was miked up. In that one interview a while ago, I couldn't stand that when there was another guy with the, you know, John Kasich just shoving, shoveling, you know, pizza into his mouth or Pete Buttigieg the way he was like he was eating, I guess he was eating like drumsticks or something. This one video and he was at the Iowa State Fair and he was like shoving the entire drumstick in his mouth and opening his mouth as wide as possible to eat it. And I can remember this stuff because it really literally bothers me that much. And so, yeah, when, when you look at something like this, it's just, it's just disgust. Don't eat on camera. Just don't do it. If you're in politics, you know, just word of the wise, don't ever do something like this. And trying to run in the United States of America. I mean, my gosh, you know, we, you know, we use utensils here. And by the way, like this guy grew up and I don't know, like all of his background, he grew up rich, right? He is like his mom's like this famous director. So he grew up rich. He went to all sorts of, you know, like, like a $60,000 a year
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school.
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So I mean, this is. Dad's an Ivy League professor. So yeah, this idea that like. Oh yeah, no, it's a joke. He's obviously just doing this to say like, oh, I'm one of you. And in fact, earlier on the show today on Human Events, we were talking about how this is just another example of a Leninist who just like in the original version of Leninism. What did Leninism target? It used people to sort of larping as the working class to claim that they were part of the proletariat. And what were they? They were over educated sons and daughters, mainly sons obviously of upper class rich people who didn't have really anything better to do with their lives. So they said, oh, we're going to be this vanguard of the proletariat and we're going to take over all of Russia's urban centers. This is literally, if you look at his electorate, what he's been doing. So it's sort of a tie between the new arrivals, first generation immigrants and the sort of urban elite Youth who are just sort of lackadaisical and don't have anything better to do with their lives. That's now his electoral core and it's the exact same electoral coalition that Vladimir, Vladimir Lenin used when communism was tried the first time around.
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So what is the most defensible part, Andrew, of his thing is the fact that he's a Muslim, the fact that he's a socialist, the fact that he eats rice with his hands, the fact that he's a phony. He's a foreigner. He wants to turn New York into the third world. Andrew.
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I mean, I actually want to hear Blake's take on this, but you did call on me. I think it's that he's a total con man. He changes his accents, he larps as a working, you know, man like one of the, one of the people. And I think he just heaps disdain on our culture. I think all of those things are equally offensive. Not to mention what Jack said really resonated with me that he can't find anything better to do with his life because he's a rich kid, son and a rich, rich mom and dad. So he's the son of a wealthy family, can't find anything better to do with his time. So he, he acts like he's a man of the people and he's really concerned about affordability and really he's just a race Marxist. And the fact that this is working on such a large swath of even the New York electorate I find highly offensive. And you know, I just think the. I will tell you, talking to people, some of my friends and family that are not as political or plugged in, they don't understand why the eating with the hands thing is so offensive. But it is by far one of the most offensive things I think to our team and our people that are really plugged in. What's that?
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Who said that? It's not that they don't understand it,
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just some of my friends and family that are not as like, they're like, okay, so he eats like a, like a foreigner. I'm like, exactly, he eats like a foreigner.
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Little funny. Just cuz like we also eat with our bare hands all the time.
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Not food that is designated for it though. Rice is like the most disgusting thing to be. Like slurping it into your.
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Yeah, it's, it's like you're in New
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York rice with like curry and, and
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you're, you're in New York. There's no lack of utensils. That's the whole point.
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Yeah, no, like to me, what's most appalling about it, it's not so much that it's gross in and of itself, it's that it is fake. And, and more than just it being fake, like, Mamdani is not. He's not fake in like a basic con man way. That would almost be a little endearing. He's fake in like a creepy psychopath way. And a thing about like psychopaths, like real, legit, manipulative, lacking in emotion, lacking in empathy. Psychopaths who are extremely common in radical left wing politics, they're often rated by observers as really authentic. So you'll hear all these takes like, oh, Mamdani, he's so authentic because he represents the. This like he's bringing this like, pro worker platform. And like, I look at Mamdani and all I think is like, this guy is an obvious scheming psychopath who he, like, you could slightly change the inputs and this guy would decide a completely different political platform is how he could get to power. But he happens to have grown up in this world where radical far left politics is the way to do it, and he will adjust accordingly. So I'm almost not even as worried as some people that if he won't, he would necessarily do all of his agenda. Because so much of his agenda, I suspect, is the means of ascent. And like, once he's in power, he would be focused on like entrenching his power and like, taking out perceived enemies. Like, the problem would not so much be that we have a communist. So you mean like we have a
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little psycho communist movement?
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Yeah.
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The problem would be having a psychopath in power, not having a communist in power. Like, that's how he comes off to me. Everything so stage managed. The fake accents, the fake third world ism.
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This has always been.
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This is it.
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What you're talking about is my contention though is that that is actually how communism works in reality, in practice. Right. It's that the, the and I saw that like Fox News had this capitalism versus socialism and here are the things that he's claiming for. They always claim those things, oh, we're going to free stuff for everyone. It's going to be great. But that's not actually what they want. What they want is all of the things, Blake, that you are saying. So my, the thesis and this was the whole like, like book that I wrote last year about this was that the communists don't actually believe in communism. They just want to jump ahead to the subjugating their enemies and rewarding their friends part.
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Yeah.
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And like you just, that's why you'd end up with these like crappy state run grocery stores. Is it just be like it would be a way to.
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Yeah.
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Like entrench the authority and like the patronage that routes through him. He would be able to control who got the contract. He would be hurting rival nodes of power. Same thing with the rent freeze. That's like a way to again enhance his power, reduce everyone else's power and it doesn't require the city to actually be nice in any way. One of the most toxic things about urban politics in particular actually is there's often a lot of reason to make the city worse.
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Why?
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Because you drive out the people who oppose you and there are going to be a die hard base that likes you matter. It's super dark. But like that's. For example, I think the original person this was coined for was a longtime mayor of Boston who kind of drove all. He was like his base was Irish. This is when you know, there was like a lot of Irish that was kind of like the core working class base in Boston. And he would like always win with Irish voters. And he kind of just turned out a lot of the upper middle class that opposed him, but the Irish base would elect him. And he just got to the point where he could never lose. A more recent example, Detroit. So Detroit was like 50, 50 in the late 60s and they elected Coleman Young and Coleman Young was a horrible mayor of Detroit, but he was so horrible that he drove all the anti Coleman Young people out of Detroit.
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Auburn Hills.
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Yeah. And he just became this like emperor of Detroit. And you know, even, even if your city's a dump, being the mayor of the city, that's a dump is.
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Well, we have to remember though, I mean, and Blake might have a different opinion here. He said something in the chat, so I want you to defend it. But New York was really bad in the 70s and 80s week. And you're like, well, even though it gets bad, it's not as bad as other cities. But New York does have a history of being a complete rat hole.
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Yes.
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Like, like when Donald Trump first came onto the scene in like 1970s, it was legitimate, like prostitutes on almost every corner. It was a litter filled city. The famous one was really bad.
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The infamous one is if you watch Taxi Driver. Taxi Driver. Like they're going to these like nudie theaters that are showing like dirty moose. Those were in Times Square. You just had.
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Yeah, they're in Times Square.
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Strip teasers in Times Square. You could get mugged just walking out of one of those places.
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So let's just, let's just first take two. Let's just do two lessons here. Number one, it's a lesson that things in America can get better. That they actually. Just because you're in a cycle of decline doesn't mean it has to. But number two, it goes that New York can also go back to that, but you're a little bit less convinced. But I look at London, I'm like, nope, a good city can be destroyed.
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So London has definitely gone downhill. But it's never Gone downhill nearly as bad as New York did. Like New York.
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No, no, I agree.
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They were doing, you know, bur we
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have not gone back to where New York was.
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Not just to give the scale of it. I think in its absolute worst year, which I think was 1991, one of the sort of late 80s, early 90s span, New York, I think, broke 2,000 murders in a year.
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2,000 murders.
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Incomprehensible. I mean, Chicago at its worst, which. Smaller city, of course, but Chicago at its worst, I think hit 500. Yeah, maybe like 800 during one of the peak Floyd years. And then. So imagine more than double that.
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But do you think that it's realistic that New York could get like, how Boston was or Detroit, where they just run people out and it starts to become a gutter?
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It's harder. You don't like. New York is more diverse. There's more, like, levers you have to work with. There's boroughs, there's bur. There's the boroughs. There's like a lot of entrenched groups that are really centered on New York. I think it would be hard. Like, just as an example, you have, you know, several hundred thousand, like, Orthodox Jews. I don't think they're going to get, like, turfed out terribly easily. A lot of their culture is, like, based there. So that's like a political bedrock. There's always people predicting that, like, the financial institutions will leave New York. And it's like they're just like, unkillable.
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It feels some are going to Miami. That's.
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Some are, some are. Or even just Jersey. But, like, the New York Stock Exchange is in New York and there's clearly a lot of, like, cultural power to that. You can definitely make New York worse. He can definitely drive a lot of people out of New York. He can definitely make it worse on the margins. You would have to make it really, really, really bad to get back into that death spiral of the 70s and 80s, where it was just unlivably terrible in huge parts of the.
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Of the city.
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Another part of it is like, New York's gotten very diverse, but, like, it's gotten diverse with groups that aren't necessarily, like, going to destroy the city. Like, you have a lot of. So here's Asian immigration.
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Here's a good trivia question. Of all New York City voters, what borough has the most voters?
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The most voters? I think Brooklyn has the most people.
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Queens. Queens would be my guess. Off the top of my head, my
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guess would be probably Brooklyn, because most people and Queens, I think I would have said Manhattan.
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Guess I would have said Manhattan. But. So Brooklyn has 3, 30%. It's the most populous borough by far, followed by Queens. Very immigrant, very diverse. Manhattan is 19%, the Bronx is 15% and then Staten island is 6%, which Staten Island's like the MAGA.
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I'm actually, I would have not been surprised if Queens was somehow even behind Manhattan just because there's so many immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised if the non citizen percentage was higher. But yeah, no, it's like it's the outer boroughs that decide these. I think Manhattan like looms so large in the cultural consciousness that it dominates and people just sort of assume that's New York, but most of New York is just this vast sprawl of the Long island boroughs in the Bronx and that will decide the way things go.
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So Andrew, how does this then impact politics nationally? We had Mark Halpern on the podcast and he said that Democrats are worried that he's going to become the poster child of, of all Democrat politics across the country.
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Yeah, I think that, you know, I think that we don't know first of all, but I would say that I sort of agree with some of the things Blake has said that is this is now out in the open. He is the test case of whether or not a far left socialist or communist can just be out with his public opinion seizing the means of production, which is straight out of the Marx playbook. You are going full anti whitey, right? You're going, we're going to tax wider neighborhoods, globalize the intifada, all of these things he's just now out and out and proud with. But you also made this point with Mark, that this has been going on really since Occupy Wall street movement. But then Bernie Sanders won. Bernie Sanders won the 2016 primary, Democrat primary. You have to understand the modern Democrat party is a socialist party, if not largely a communist party. So that's what we're up against. There is institutional backing for these things. And if he proves that he can win by being out and proud with this stuff, then guess what? All the Democrats, the establishment Democrats that have said these things may be behind closed doors are now going to start saying this in public. So this, these people really believe this. I think that you also made a really interesting point about how our nation is. The inequality gap between the really, really rich and the really, really poor is growing and that creates an opening for the Mamdanis of the world. And I think that's a. You cannot overlook that and you cannot overlook the fact that, that these ideas while tried and, and tested and have been proven failures throughout history, that a whole new generation of Americans are not going to simply embrace them because either they want to see everything burned down or they believe the lies that it's never really been tried before and that Mom Downey's. He's just a really good guy. So he's going to, he's going to be the one that finally gets this right. To be honest, I think we're in a really dangerous place. And just because we had an election win in 2024, this can all slip away very quickly and we could see New York as the precursor of things to now. Yeah, he's going to, he's going to present a foil and we have to win. We have to win that argument in the public square. But it's going to be a real challenge. I think I'm going into this wide eyed. I don't think he's just some clown that's going to be easy to do.
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He's got real talent. And I agree with Blake. I think there's something psychopathic about him.
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But Blake. I'm sorry, Jack. Let's go a level deeper, Jack. Here's my advice, both privately and publicly. To the Trump political team, to anyone that wants to run For President in 2028, here is my advice and I tell them this. I say the following. I say if we do not start to rebuild the American middle class and build an economy of owners, you are going to get hundreds of Mamdanis across the country. Inequality, price of living. Economics is actually what is driving this lunatic. Look, I'm happy to talk about the fact he's Muslim. People are afraid to talk, but I'm happy to talk to Third worlder. But he does have an emphasis and a focus on economics. I want you to answer that question. And then, Angelo, while we're doing this, can you get the coat, the cut of Mamdani saying he wouldn't visit a foreign country? Because I want to talk about that second. But first, Blake, Jack, I want you to focus on what does it mean if we do not, if we do not have a middle class economy again, what would that mean for our national politics?
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So, Charlie, here's what's going on in the populist movement and why populism is on the rise. Populism is on the rise. Go back to the very, very, very initial start of the Tea Party, which you can say is the rise of the populist right. And then Occupy Wall street was the rise of the populist left. So you got 2011, 2012, right around the same timeframe. But all of which was happening in the wake of what it was happening in the wake of or not even prior. Excuse me, the Tea party was 22,009, 2010. And so it was the bailouts, right, the bailout, the massive bank bailouts of the global financial crisis. And then Rick Santilli gets up on, on CNBC and says they are, they are screwing you over. Everyone who's a homeowner, they're screwing you over and they're going to sell out your, or they're going to help out your big banks. Those guys are going to get these massive bailouts from government and George W. Bush in a clip, by the way, that has been almost completely scrubbed from the Internet. I was able to track it down a couple of months ago. But a clip that's almost completely scrubbed says we're going to use socialism to save capitalism. Use socialism to save.
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Yes.
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Everything from that point on has led to this massive infusion of, through what you call it quantitative easing, whatever this huge money printing that's happened has created massive wealth disparities in the United States. Now, you can call me whatever you want kind of names oh, you're a conservative. You're not supposed to be talking about wealth inequality. Well, it's true, okay? It's just true. So people can see that those at the top are getting massively wealthy and are exorbitantly just taking off and skyrocketing off into the solar system, literally. In the case of Jeff Bezos at one point, remember Jeff Bezos during the, during the COVID lockdowns, during the pandemic, was flying around, conducting an orbit of the planet while everyone else was locked down on, you know, on Earth. This was like the plot of a bad sci fi movie with Matt Damon. And it generated a lot of ill will towards what we call the billionaires and millionaires, or the capitalist class, whatever you want to call it, okay? And so the way that the populist right wants to address this problem through President Trump, through populist nationalism, through America first, is to say, hey, we, we don't disparage success, but what we want is for all, all tides, all boats to rise with that rising tide. We want to increase the floor. We want to raise the floor, the level of that up for lower class, working class and then middle class. So, and allow people, by the way, access to that middle class lifestyle that they've been trying to do. And particularly you see this with young voters, what the populist left wants to do is they want to take this situation. And by the way, these numbers are growing. They're growing across, across the country. And there's a lot of. This is what generates, by the way, the intergenerational conflict that you see between zoomers and baby boomers right now, which is massive and absolutely real. And if anyone who doesn't believe this, so, I mean, you're just, you're just not paying attention. Charlie, you see this, I'm sure a ton on campus, but what the populist left wants is Luigi Maggione. They want Luigi Maggione to come in and just start taking out. Just start taking out the. Sorry, that was something on my, on my end now that was, I think AOC actually just popped up on the, on the screen there. She's so angry. So the populist left, they want Luigi Maggione. They want people to start tearing them apart and they want to tear down everything that these CEOs and, and billionaires and wealthy have. And so you're really left with two viable political options. One viable option is the path of maga, the path of populist right, to say we can do this and we can settle these issues in a way that's, you know, to use the phrase equitable for all, or you can go the populist left route and the populist left route. It's amazing because you've got Zora Mandami and Luigi Maggione. This takes place in the same city, right? So Luigi Maggione just committed a street execution of a CEO on the streets of New York City, the same city where Zora Mamdani, who is preaching the very same, you know, rhetoric that Luigi did, you know, comes in and says, well, we can do this by, you know, by election and we could do this by law. But the pressures don't go away. What you've really got are kind of the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks, one who wants to do it in a, in an electoral way, one who wants to do it in a absolute tear down and kill the rich sort of way. But either way, Charlie, for anyone who wants to run in 2028, they absolutely have to understand that these pressures are real. They're not going any. They're not going away. And when you look at the working class in the swing states that we need, particularly the Rust Belt, so western Pennsylvania, then up into Michigan and Wisconsin, states that even though Romney and Paul Ryan were from these states, they could never win them because they had no idea how to actually talk to the working class of those states. And if you don't do that, you are going to lose. And if you start putting things and distractions and side quests ahead of the main quest, getting rid of the illegals and helping the economy here at home, then guess what? They are going to go in for whatever snake oil the sociopaths of the communist Marxists are going to offer.
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Okay, I want to play this piece of tape here. I think people are probably giving this too much credit, but it is a showing of Mamdani wanting to prioritize New York. Now, people, they viewed this as an anti Israel sentiment, which of course, Mamdani hates. You know, you know Israel and probably hates Jews and globalize. The infantada, all that stuff. That's intifada. But I think it is important because I'm gonna use this clip as a way to explain Gen Z politics in a way that is flummoxing a lot of our older audience. And then I'll throw it to Blake. Play cut 396.
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Mr. Mamdani, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel as mayor? I've said in a UJA questionnaire that I believe that you need not travel to Israel to stand up for Jewish New Yorkers. And that is what I will be doing as the mayor. I'll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers, and I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform. Because ultimately, we need to focus on delivering on their concerns. Just yes or no.
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Do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?
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I believe Israel has the right to exist. Not as a Jewish state, as a state with equal rights.
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He won't say it has a right
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to exist as a Jewish state.
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Be very.
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And his answer was no, he won't visit Israel. I said that's what he was trying to say. No, no, no. Unlike you, I answered very directly. I want to be very clear. I believe every state should be a state of equal rights.
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Okay, thank you. Okay, so this is important in the chat. Genius answer. Brilliant. So is it Stupid question to ask. You're the mayor of New York City. You're not going to be dealing with foreign affairs. But there are a lot of Jews and Muslim in your city. Let me tell you why this resonated with a lot of gen zers. And then, Blake, I want you to explain the clip more than comment on it, which is there is this trend with younger voters saying, our country's falling apart, we can't afford basic necessities, houses are out of reach. Stop with the foreign pandering, whatever country it might be. And look I'm pro Israel, obviously. I'm explaining, therefore, why don't we have someone that is obsessed with us, obsessed with what's local, what's immediate, not what is abstract and foreign. Blake.
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Exactly. And I think you see some awareness of this. A few months ago, we had that viral clip with Ilhan Omar where she was saying in Somali, like, I am, you know, the lawmaker for Somalis. I will look out for Somali interests. And then, like, that clip, it was so insane. It was like he. He could have scripted that. It was so perfect for him, where he has this circular squad of people, like, needling him and bullying him. Like, why won't you, like, take this opinion on a foreign country, whether you agree with that take on the foreign country or not? Why is a guy running for mayor being browbeaten about whether he will endorse the particular status of a foreign state thousands of miles away? And it was so easy for so many million. Well, I don't want to say this. Thousands of New Yorkers to look at that and be like, holy cow, everyone else running in this race is obsessed with these, like, identity issues revolving around a foreign state, a foreign conflict. And it was so easy for him to come out and say, actually, I will put New York first. Novel idea. I will not go on foreign trips. I will be focused on actual things relevant to New Yorkers. It was just incredibly easy political layup for this guy.
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So, Andrew, can you help explain this to our audience, which is that some older folks say they would have thought Mamdani gave a terrible answer. Oh, my goodness. He'd said he would not visit a foreign country or visit Israel, when in reality, younger people loved it. Not necessarily because they hate Israel, but there's some vibe or aura to that which is like, no, I care about New York City. Can you help explain that? For those that might not quite capture what is animating the under 30 crowd?
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Yeah, I mean, the generational divide, Charlie, is so extreme. And it's very, very hard to explain this to, like, boomers or older, older folks. No disrespect, it's just the generational sea change, I think, is more dramatic than. Than any of my over 50 friends understand or realize. If you are under a certain age, especially under 30, but even if you're under 40, 45, you're sick of the. You're sick of feeling like America has to be drawn into foreign conflicts because of Israel, that our alignment with Israel, from a foreign policy standpoint, there's a belief that it's caused more harm than good. And a lot of people are sympathetic to Israel even in that sub 40 category. They just don't want to feel so attached to the hip. And they don't like when politicians signal that they're marching in lockstep with whatever Bibi Netanyahu says. And that is honestly. This is a movement, Charlie. That was that. In some ways, Trump helped start and ignite and change the way that we look at our foreign politics versus our domestic politics and people. I think there is a broad realization on the left and the right that
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we have real problems here in the,
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C
in the United States, and we gotta deal with those. And we have to stop getting distracted by foreign wars, foreign involvements, engagements and distractions. And that doesn't mean those things aren't important. I think Trump has showed us a way that there is a third way, right? You don't have to get trapped ideologically or on the debate stage into these false binaries. And that you can say, listen, I just love America more and I want to focus on this. And to the extent that we can solve foreign entanglements quickly, easily or violently, those have to be quick. That's the, that's the key. And I just want to reiterate, Charlie, like, if there is a divide that I have seen that is more stark than anything is the generational divide on Israel.
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A
Jack, do you want to comment on that?
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B
I mean, it's just true. It's something where, you know, it's generational, that's for sure. It also comes down, I think, to a variety of factors, people getting their media from different places. So if you're someone who watches, you know, on that specific, on specifically the Israel question, if you're someone who watches tv, you're looking at images of, you know, politicians and you're hearing people give speeches. You're going on TikTok. You're seeing, up until the ceasefire, of course, you're just seeing images of this parade of horribles out of Gaza. And it's just over and over and over, you see it on X as well. And it's something that kind of galvanizes you. And then you hear, wait a minute, you know, my tax dollars are involved in this. I'm not, I'm not making an argument here. I'm just sort of explaining the way that Gen Z, when I, when I talk to Gen Zers, how they seem to respond to it, they say, wait a minute, why are my tax dollars going to fund some, some war in a place that I've never visited against a group of People that doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever versus and I can't afford basic food and I can't afford rent, and I can't afford to be able to own a home or if I can't, you know, get married and have kids and do all of these things. And that's something that cuts across party lines. That's something that affects people very deeply because these are pocketbook issues, these are wallet issues. And so people want to know why it is that the United States of America or politicians, Right. They sort of just look at it as politicians. Oh, well, they don't care because they just want to do everything to serve the baby boomers, and the baby boomers want to watch whatever is a better TV show on cable news. Meanwhile, it's. It feels to me, and again, like I'm not a zoomer. But I've. When I, When I talk to zoomers about this, they say, I just don't feel like I'm hurt. I feel like I'm told to shut up. I feel like I'm told that, oh, I either need to pull myself up by my bootstraps or I get labeled anti Semitic or I get labeled, you know, some. Some bigoted, zealoted, you know, zealoted, anti whatever, you know, kind of name. And it's like, no, it's just I see some. I see my government working on behalf of. Of people all around. It's not just Israel, but it's all around the world, all the USAID and stuff that was going on. And a lot of these same forces, you know, a lot of these same pressures are the same things that President Trump and his direct popularity came from was by saying that we will be able to present an opinion and present a solution to all of these problems by saying we're going to put America first, which means putting Americans first. And this was even in the wake of the, you know, tens of millions in pallets of cash to Iran or, you know, giving billions to Afghanistan for a government that was just going to collapse and hand it over to the Taliban again and again and again. The trillions of dollars spent in the Middle east, that's what led to the rise of President Trump in the first place. And my own worry, though, is that if these same issues aren't dealt with, then you're going to get people like a Mamdani or a Luigi Maggione or others that are going to come up and use them to go in a very different direction.
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A
Let's move to the 4am topic.
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D
Yes. All right. So this is very fun. Let's get right into it because we have the hard stop. So the 4am Club, this got attention last, I think last week from the free press. It's been going a while. Basically. Let's just. We just have to play it. Play 376 left wing version of Q.
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Anon is here and they believe that Kamala Harris really won the election. This group is called the 4am Club.
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H
Basically on November6, thousands of people were
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woken up around 4am and those people
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H
were called to anchor in the higher
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B
timeline where Kamala was the winner.
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H
The call call was sent out and we received it.
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It was founded by this woman who goes by Gia Prism on TikTok.
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I am a psychic medium. I'm a healer.
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She sort of gives downloads as she calls them, from spirit.
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H
This contest wasn't right. We will yet get a different result in the end. I was shown him falling from something to do with blood on the brain. Okay, I'm seeing lower level leaders will be removed before the top ones.
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F
It bears a striking resemblance to QAnon, except everything has been feminized. Instead of searching through Reddit boards and 8chan to find what they're looking for, they go deep within themselves, trusting their feminine intuition, their gut, the divine goddess. The 4am Clubbers, I don't think are going to be scaling the capitol anytime soon. But I do think they represent the next chapter in the story of political conspiracies. It shows that The American population feels both completely out of control and lied to.
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A
Well, first of all, that was great reporting. That was Barry Weiss, sister. It was really well done.
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D
Amazing.
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A
Yeah, it's Bari Weiss's sister. What's her name? Susie Weiss. So credit to her. That was a really well put together summary. And honestly, kind of based being like the feminine intuition. Like, it was really good. So credit to her. I hope to have her on the show. Blake, I'll start with you because you were just losing it in the midst of this.
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D
It's just. It really is. So I obviously, you know, I've always been a fan of some. Reading some of that strange stuff you love. Real Raw News. That, like, weird, you know, military tribunal stuff, which is still going, by the way. They're. They're loving the alligator thing. All of the. All of the deep skaters are going to Alligator Alcatraz. They'll be executed there.
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B
Sure.
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D
Sure enough on Real Raw News, all that strange stuff. But yeah, like this how it's the perfect mirror image where it incorporates all the, like, left wing ways. So, like, it's a vibe. If anything, it's almost. It's a lot like that Mandela effect that. Have you heard about this?
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A
Oh, Mandela's inch. That's really interesting. So you don't like it?
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D
Well, I think it's sort of silly because some people really believe in it when.
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A
Well, hold on. But there is something. Do you not misremember things from your childhood?
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D
People do.
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A
Why is it that other people also misremember what you misremember?
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D
Because it's an easy thing to misremember. Like.
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B
No, the Fruit of the Loom one is. I'm totally.
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A
I think there's.
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B
The Loom one is the one. I'm militant on this.
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D
The Fruit of the Loom one is just because there's like a different company that had a cornucopia in it and people think of that.
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A
No, there's 100 a corner Kobe, by the way, and then it was the Berenstein Bear.
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D
Like, that's another example where they all think it's Berenstein Bears because Steen with the ein is way more common. There's a ton of Steens out there.
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A
I'm not even saying there's. Saying it's worth talking. There's something going on. Yeah, there's something to this. I don't know what it is.
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D
So this is. This 4am club fits in so perfectly with.
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G
They're.
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D
They basically have this, like, this feeling. And it can't just Be. Oh, I had a feeling.
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A
Mandela effects are feeling. We have evidence that we all agree, like, that's different.
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D
We don't have evidence.
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A
No. Meaning we all. We all have a memory of something that's different than, like, I woke up and I think Kamala's president, but keep going. It's totally.
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D
You know, I feel like actually what we should do, we should play the follow up clip where they really get into this, because I just love it. It's. They think we're merging with, like, a new timeline. Like, we're in the wrong timeline, and we've got to return to one.
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C
Blake, can we throw up the 400 fruit of the Loom, the cornucopia? Because this one just blew my mind. So they say that it's always been the left one, but everybody seems to remember the cornucopia copia. I. I completely remember the cornucopia. I think it's a marketing ploy to make them relevant again. That's what I think it is.
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D
Admittedly, I don't even know cornucopia, but I didn't.
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A
I remember the cornucopia. I could tell you there was a cornucopia that. No, I'm telling you right now, the cornucopia is legit. We're being lied to.
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D
Apparently the old logo had brown leaves in it, and that's what people kind of thought. It was a cornucopia.
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C
That one.
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This one trips.
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B
No, it's not like, I thought it was a cornucopia. It was that cornucopia. Like, that's it right there.
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C
Pretty sure you can, like, find old clothes with it with. With the cornucopia on it.
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A
A hundred percent.
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C
Yeah. See, look at.
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B
Look. My mom has actually been going through, like, some of our old home videos. I wonder, like, from when I was a kid, I wonder if. And like, you know, dick digitizing him and stuff. So I want to see if maybe we can, like, maybe we can test this and see if there's, you know, like, a logo or something. Because I remember having one when I was in, like, grade. You know, maybe kindergarten, preschool or something. But I feel like it's. I feel like that's where I remember the word cornucopia. Right. You learn, I guess around. Thanks.
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C
How we all learned it. Yeah. Like, what is that?
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B
Hey, what is that? Oh, that's a cornucopia. What's a cornucopia? And then you just say it.
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D
I feel we should play the. The other clip of this just because it really does get into how like loopy they are. So this is Gia Prism. She's like the face of the 4am Club. Really getting into it. Has to be seen to believe. Let's play 386 we were woken up
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H
in the night eerily around 4am I've read every single one of those comments and here I'm going to tell you what it all means. The short of it is we were called to anchor in the same timeline. So many people are saying I'm on the wrong timeline. No, here's the truth. The higher timeline where the divine feminine anchors in does include a supposed election of the male candidate. I'm not going to say his name because his corruption needs to be revealed and it needs to be so massive, so undeniable and so chaotic that people who have been fooled by him can finally wake up and come out of the spell. So here's the overview of what people were experiencing. Some of us were woken up with a feeling of dread. Some of us were physically vomiting, purging. Others were just in fear and panic. And then on the other side of things, you had people who were woken up from dreams where they saw her winning, where they heard her winning, where they saw certain states flip and go blue, where they saw a map of the United States. So many of us were tuned into the timeline that Kamala Harris is the winner. And there's another subset of people who were actually feeling the energies and who were repeating mantras.
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C
Energies.
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D
There's actually. So it is so much like a combination of, of like QAnon and the Mandela effect. Because the Mandela effect, part of the theory is that it was like that in the past and we had the timeline shift. A lot of them fixate on 9 11. Like after 911 the timeline shifted because it was such a dramatic event.
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A
Oh, is that right?
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D
Yes, that's a common part of it. And then of course the, the QAnon version is, you know, the trust the plan thing. Like all that's the secret military tribunals are happening. But like we're not ready. It had to like people had to be ready to accept what was going on. They wouldn't believe it if they just did it. So you have to, you know, wait. And it's like that where we had to let this happen because people wouldn't accept how corrupt Trump was unless. Unless he was allowed to win. And we got a temporary delving into that corrupt timeline reality.
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B
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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C
I love how they, they say the higher timeline is the feminine divine timeline divine feminine. And I know Jack really agrees with this. So that the feminine is the higher.
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B
No, I totally believe the 4am Club. I believe the 4am club. I 100% agree with everything they're saying. I'm Summit, so I'm a Christian, so I believe in the supernatural. I believe in obviously different timelines and different dimensions. In that sense, you know, a higher, higher Plane, lower plane that they're talking about, because as a Christian, we're called to believe these things because that's what the Bible is about. And so when, when, when they talk about it, though, it's just they've got their order mixed up because that's a lower timeline that they're talking about where Kamala Harris is able to become president and unleashes these demonic energies of communism across the world. As it turns out, the true timeline is the timeline that reverted into place. And so we were on a trajectory where perhaps we were in this false timeline created, you know, you could say at some point in 2020 or whatever, but now we're back into base reality. So they were heading, trying to put us in this false reality where again, and so many people could look around and see evidence of the false reality all around you. Lies were treated as truth. Up was treated as down. Men were called women. Women were called men. This is all emblematic of a false reality that they were trying to impose upon true reality. So we reverted back. That's what they're upset about. And what they felt regarding these, you know, regarding these timeline shifts was actually the shift back to the true reality, which is base reality. And as we all know, base reality is based.
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D
What if we were in the false timeline, but Shinzo Abe was fighting in the spiritual realm because we know him and Trump were friends. And so we were headed towards the bad timeline. But then Shinzo Abe saved Trump's Life in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13th. Yeah, you've seen this, right, Charlie? Like the idea that that's why he turned his head. So I heard the whisper of an old friend. Maybe that. Maybe that's what saved us from time.
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B
That is canon.
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D
What I love about it's a funny meme in and of itself, but what's genuinely heartwarming is Japanese people are aware of this and, like, find it extremely, extremely heartwarming that Americans came up with this idea and like, they, they make all these, like, affectionate, like Shinzo Abe, Donald Trump best friend forever images that you can find on the job.
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A
Guardian angel. Yeah, he is the guardian angel.
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B
You watch the. I'll watch the skies. I'll watch the streets.
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A
I miss the Abe, Trump. Like, look right there. See, there's Shinzo looking over Trump on July 13th.
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D
Danorudo San. Danorudo san.
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E
Get out.
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B
There's. There's whole things about this. No, Donald, you must turn. This is not your time. And then it's like Shinzo Abe, the one longer one. It's like, he's got a katana blade and he like hits the bullet out of midair.
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C
Yeah. 406. Oh, there it is, there it is.
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B
And it's, you know, Donald, why did you, why did you, why did you suddenly turn your head? And he said, you know, for a moment I thought I heard the voice, the sound of the voice of an old friend.
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A
Isn't that so good?
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D
This, See, this is, this is so good. Our spiritual energy stuff is so much better.
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A
But it's also, there's a joke, comical side to it.
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D
Yeah. And the left is just like, I woke up and I was, I was vomiting because nothing, you know, live women apparently need a reason to, you know, puke into the toilet all the time. And like that. It had to be because the timelines were on. We're just like, no, obviously Shinzo Abe came in to save his best friend. That's like a way cooler thing than like the divine feminine energy. It's like, sorry, sorry, sorry, liberal ladies. The right is better at coming up with funny, spiritual.
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C
Woo, woo.
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A
I love it. Final, final thoughts here, Andrew, 4am Club. And you can throw a Mandela effect in there if you want.
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C
Well, I actually have a final thought. I mean, I wanted to play this video because I thought it was great. I don't know if we have time, but you know, there really is two pass before the American population. Mom, Mamdani, Luigi. This, you know, this terrifying kind of vigilanteism, coercion, far, far left wing revolution, or you get kind of this national populism, conservative populism of Trump, the MAGA movement. You have two routes in front of you. One wants to burn it all down and destroy everything and destroy wealth and seize it all. And the other is going to take some tough medicine. But we're going to get to the other side and it's going to actually reset. If we want to talk about timelines, it's going to reset the American timeline and put it back on solid footing. I really believe that. And so hopefully our people have enough virtue and common sense and wisdom and understanding of history to choose the right path. And I think New York's going to be a really interesting test case, but a scary one. Hopefully we make it out the other side.
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A
Last thought, Jack.
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B
No, I completely agree. And unfortunately, even with all of the good that we've done, all of the good that, a little bit that, you know, that we've done, but the massive amount that President Trump and his movement have done, getting on visionary leaders like JD Vance and so many others. These are huge problems. They are problems that still remain. And in pockets of the country like New York, they are incontrovertible that it is going on, and these pressures are leading to these outcomes. So President Trump faces before him a very serious threat. And of course, it's New York City, right? Think about this. So I mentioned Luigi Maggione and I mentioned Zora Mamdani, but one thing that we haven't pointed out here is that New York City is the same exact city that produced Donald Trump himself. And so the fact that, you know, it really is New York, our greatest city, that's leading to all of these changes that affects the entire nation, then perhaps we should actually fight for it, and we should actually fight for the great things that we've created as an American civilization. And I think if there's anything that you want to say on going into the Fourth of July, it's that.
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A
Have a great Independence Day, everybody. We have to dash. Blake, final thoughts, 10 seconds.
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D
No, no, I'm just.
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B
Blake at 4:00am
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Next time you wake up at 4:00am, remember, you might get a vision that Kamala is president. Reject it and live in reality.
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D
You have to reject it, or we might get consumed by that reality and
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A
get sucked into the vortex.
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D
You have to win the spiritual war.
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A
It's barren bears forever. Don't believe the lies. And the cornucopia is real.
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B
We are being lied.
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A
Mandela effect next. Stop crying.
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G
See you soon.
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D
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