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I don't know if you have already picked up on this, but this, this church is a little bit wound up.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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And you're having church in person, which
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is exactly what you should be doing. Yeah, like Kathy said, we've done this for 26 weeks. So May 31, we opened up our doors as a church. It was a little scary, but every week we kind of get used to it. And now we're at three services and having you here. And our governor has really tried to say, don't have church. He's trying to tell us, don't have church. Don't sing, don't chance, don't do wood instruments or anything like that. We don't usually do that. But I mean, so, you know, here we are in this environment and a lot of churches haven't opened their doors. You know, we have it right in front of our church right there. We say, hashtag, open the doors. Why aren't churches opening the doors?
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It's something that's been. First of all, you deserve credit for opening your doors and staying open because not enough churches have done that. That's number one. Number two, it's really been something that's really been frustrating for me, you know, as a believer, as an evangelical Christian, but also in the political space. I've seen this in the last seven months. A lot of pastors get involved in politics incorrectly and really clumsily, some of them pandering to BLM Incorporated, Critical Race Theory and others that have said we must obey everything that the government tells us no matter what. And they hide behind what I think is a very sloppy and lazy reading of Romans 13. And we can get into that. But what's been really telling is how these churches have grown very comfortable doing the YouTube livestream church format where they pre tape their sermon on Tuesday or Thursday. They see all the tithes and offerings come in. They don't have to deal with everyone after service. And no, that's what they say. They'll be like, yeah, it's actually been really nice the last six months. And that's not what the church is supposed to be. The church is actually supposed to be culturally disagreeable by nature. The church is supposed to be kind of a thorn in the side of secular humanism. Like the church is supposed to be
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a,
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a light in the darkness by definition. And so you asked, why are so many churches not doing this? I kind of divide it into a couple different buckets at this point. Now in November, the grace side of my conversation has basically evaporated. I mean, be very honest with you, okay. Like I'm just going to. I'm confiding in you publicly. Right. So when I was giving this speech back in June Or July at Jack Hibbs church or Rob McCoy's church. I was like, well, maybe they don't really understand the significance of this in August. I was like, we're still waiting for them to understand the. Okay, it's November.
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Okay.
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So I'm just gonna be very honest. You know, the Grace side is a little bit underweighted. I am now demanding an answer from these pastors. Demanding an answer.
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That's right.
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That's where I'm at.
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That's great. So they took Easter from us.
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That's right.
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They took Easter from us. And I think we all were saying, hey, we're team players. We're going to flatten the curve. When did the curb not be flattened? I mean, we've been in this thing now for nine months. And now they're taking Thanksgiving, and Christmas is coming up. Of course New Year's is coming. So, you know, at some point in time, the church has got to say, hey, we're going to storm the gates of hell.
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Well, amen. And then also, let's look at what other things are allowed. I mean, a judge in San Diego just judged that strip clubs are allowed to reopen, but churches are not. Cannabis dispensaries have remained open. Abortion factories have remained open. And this state, by the way, that has aborted more babies than the entire population of Canada since Roe versus Wade. They say it's all about health. Like, that's a very bizarre argument to make when you allow Planned Parenthood to stay open. And yet, if you're BLM Incorporated, doing a peaceful protest to go riot and destroy and loot and burn the streets of your cities, then that's perfectly acceptable. If you want to go celebrate the victory of the Los Angeles Lakers winning the NBA Finals, then you're allowed to go in the streets. Thousands, you know, social distancing, no masks. And I said this throughout the last couple months, and I think this is now, you know, complete. You can't argue against this, is that this is the greatest attack on religious liberty in American history. The church has always been their goal. They're just finding new and creative ways to go after it. And so, again, if we were all here, if we just decided to move this gathering to French Laundry and invite our governor.
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Right? Yeah, we'd be okay. There you go. Yes. So, I mean, we have a lot of pastors. I mean, I get phone calls. It's kind of like the Nicodemus thing. Hey, they call me during the week. Can you tell me a good lawyer that I can talk to if I Open up the doors. Or, you know, can you give me a way that nobody will know that I'm opening the doors and having church? I have these conversations. I know that they're watching right now. So can you just tell them by looking at the camera that it's okay to open up the doors and have church?
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Not only that, I'll just. I just ask it. I'll ask it differently. Why are you a pastor? I mean, that's a really. I mean. And again, I'm being a little bit more blunt because again, we're in November. Okay.
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Yes.
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I've been given this speech in California since May. And when I first started, it was like, come on in. The water is safe. And now it's, we're in November. Okay. This is a case stomach, which we are measuring how many cases that we have. We know who is most vulnerable. And if you are in that category, you are not. We're not forcing you to come to church. Okay? This is not that you get jury duty if you don't go to church. Okay. You can. You can watch on the live stream. You could do that, and that's fine. But for the 99.5% of the remaining population that has a higher likelihood of dying from an accidental firework discharge than then you should allow them to come to church.
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That's right. There you go.
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And that's true, by the way.
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Hashtag, open the doors. Open the doors.
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And I'll also say, look, this is a real testing moment, right? And I think that God is testing the church because there's been a lot of fiery sermons and a lot of, you know, really, you know, compelling narratives that a lot of these churches have been telling the last couple years. I'll give you one an example. For example, there's a mega church out of New York that all of you will know. I won't say the name. They get. They had this whole series around, like, finding your inner Daniel, Right? Like, we will go seize and we will go forward, and you will have the courage. It's great. It was a great. It was a great lesson, a great sermon. And you could find it on YouTube. And the church is completely closed. Completely closed. And I say, did you miss the part in. I think it's Daniel 6 when Daniel was told by the king to stop practicing the, you know, rabbinical traditions of prayer. Not. And it says clearly in the text, he heard the order. He knew the order. He then intentionally disobeyed the order by opening his window towards the city and being like, you're Going to. Now look at me pray, and I will now suffer the consequences. Where's your inner Daniel?
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That's right. You know, I think we ought to open the windows and get a little louder so they know that we're here. So let's pivot and talk about COVID because Covid was the event that opened the door, so to speak, that the government stepped inside the church. So Covid's here, and it's real. We don't diminish that. Covid is not real. There's a flu out there that is highly contagious, but the government used that to step inside the church. People have tremendous fear of. I mean, I can't even. I stopped watching the news after election night, but I can even just feel it in the spirit. There's. People have tremendous fears. People are losing their minds. They're not going to get together on Thanksgiving because of this thing called Covid. And then our governor here in the state of California. You're from Arizona, so I have to say our governor, hopefully, I don't, you
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know, wish Arizona is becoming a suburb of California.
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Yeah, well, yes. And our governor is. I think he's lost his mind. I. I think there's things that he's telling people to do. So. And can you just break it down to us what Covid is? And in this moment, without all the political, you know, rhetoric around it. But how should a believer process Covid?
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Yeah, and I'll. I'll actually build off of one thing that you said. I might see it a little bit differently when it comes to Newsom, and you might find it interesting. But I'll start with look. This is a. This is a virus that was probably manufactured in a laboratory in the Wuhan Virology Institute. It was either intentionally or unintentionally released, but assuredly was covered up by the Chinese Communist government. It's incredibly contagious, not very lethal per other RNA sequencing that it could have been. And it's almost. It's very suspicious. If you were trying to create a virus that you could live with, meaning, like, you could sleep well at night infecting the entire world, it would be this, Right? It would go after old people, not young people, people with preexisting conditions. And they probably released it on their entire public. This is the Chinese, and this is well documented. And they let it spread across the planet. And so it has devastated world economies and devastated kind of a lot of function. And 150 million people are now going to reenter into poverty because of our reaction to the virus. This is a very important thing. There's two different ways to look. There's, we kind of put these interchangeably. We blame the business shutdowns on the virus. That's actually not true. It's our reaction to the virus that this is happening. And so our reaction has been fear driven, not data based, not scientifically driven. It is incredibly contagious. If you are over the age of 70 and you have pre existing underlying health conditions and you don't have a strong respiratory system, then you are absolutely at risk. And this virus can be more vicious than anything we've seen at the contagious levels in recent memory. However, if you're 10 years old through 30 years old, there are numerous other activities that we do every single day that are far more dangerous. Driving, for example, is far more dangerous for a young high school kid to drive to high school than actually getting the Chinese coronavirus. And so. But I think that what's been really disappointing is how we have now allowed state run actors such as Newsom to now use this really as an opportunity to now make America in their image. And here's the one thing is you say Newsom has lost his mind. I think that's true. If you're trying to impart, you know, if you're trying to impart wisdom and rationality and reason upon his decisions, he has a different way of looking at this. He sees this alongside Andrew Cuomo and J.B. pritzker and Lori Lightfoot and Mayor Eric Garcetti. They actually see this as a once in a generation opening to now accomplish pre existing policy goals. Right. And they've said this, I mean, we have endless amounts of tape from Justin Trudeau to the ruling class of Britain to Boris Johnson where they say now we can finally tackle, you know, systemic racism and we can go after international climate change and we can now eradicate, you know, private property. It's all part of this thing called the Great Reset which is part of the Davos meeting that's coming up this February where the whole idea is now that we have crippled the backbone of middle class workers in the west, we can addict them to government programs, we can fill them with whatever sort of vaccinations that we want, we can pander the pharmaceutical lobbies. And so here's a really important thing that we have to recognize and realize. It is absolutely a real virus. The way we've handled it has been so incredibly, almost immature and improper and fear driven and has destroyed people's lives. I mean, our reaction has destroyed people's lives. And we don't talk about that enough where we've lost more young people to suicide than actually to the virus in this state. Right. That we have, there will be small businesses that will Never reopen. Over 270,000 small businesses will never reopen in our country. People's savings are deteriorating. And so the question is, if in January, you were wondering, what's it going to take to make people more likely to go get government assistance? They've accomplished that goal in 11 months. Now, whether I'm not, I'm not saying that they plan the virus to come, the American Democrat Party, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is they saw this and they have these preexisting policy goals that they've been talking about for some time. And through the fear and through the surrender that people have because they have no more capital left to spend, I mean, people are basically saying, please come and give me another check from the government. I have nothing left. And part of it is not their fault. I mean, part of it is we've destroyed a lot of people's capacity to make a living. Whether it be waiters or waitresses, small business owners, the whole muscular class in this country has been completely just destroyed. And this is another thing that the reaction to our virus has done is it's only made rich people richer and it's only made people that have capital have an easier time to be able to deploy it. And so we kind of have these two economic classes that have been created in this country. And Victor Davis Hanson talked about this, and I've really kind of. I've, you know, built this out even further, which is you have the Zoom and Skype class and the muscular class. And so if you are watching or listening to this and you don't have to leave your home to make a living every single day, then you shouldn't be the ones actually making the decisions for the rest of the country, because you're actually in the small minority. If you have the luxury of being able to have everything delivered to your front door. If you are able to be in the intelligence economy where you just have to open up your laptop at 9am and you get to do a bunch of Zoom calls or. Well, there's 100 million people that don't have that opportunity. And they're called truck drivers, they do the grocery store work, and they're police officer and firefighters. And so what's happened is that you have the Zoom and Skype class that actually has the most Overreaction to the virus because they can. And that's a really, really important point. We don't talk about they can afford this, they can go through another nine months of lockdowns. The truck driver that all of a sudden has his routes decreased, or the person who stocks your shelves, or the person that is a carpenter or a plumber that all of a sudden isn't allowed into homes, they can't go through another round of this. And that part is intentional. And Newsom and Garcetti, they want more people to be on government assistance and they want to make America in their image. And so you have a very real virus with an awful reaction to it, suffering that was created by their reaction to it. And then a set of policy goals that are now going to be try to be pushed because people are in such a state of suffering. And here's the sad reality to it is this could all be handled the exact opposite. Where we fully reopened our country and we gave one speech where we gave a speech that says we in America handle things differently than you do in Europe. In Europe, you bow to the civil servants and the bureaucrats and the politicians. You ask no questions. The American system, we have an American trinity in this country, which is E pluribus unum, Liberty and in God we trust. The most operative of what I'm talking about is liberty, which is you can do really foolish things in this country, but you have to take responsibility for your life. This virus is real. You know how it operates. You know how it works. Now go live your life and take responsibility for your life. It's really not that hard.
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That's good, that's good, that's good.
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So real quick, Charlie, where do you think this is ending up with the virus? I mean, because the vaccine's gonna be the cure, right?
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No, it won't. And where is it ending up? They will not stop unless we stop them. What do I mean is that this will be a decades long problem that they then try to improperly solve. Then they have to try to solve those problems. It's very much. And again, I don't want to get too philosophical here, but it's under this thing called the Hegelian dialectic where you have a problem, but then you create an even bigger problem, but your solution is half as bad as the problem, and you swoop in as the savior of the problem that you actually created. And this is what they did with healthcare, it's what they've done with housing, it's what they've. Where they blame the crisis that they actually create. And they say now we must socialize all healthcare in our country. Right? And so where is this headed? Anyone who tells you that they know where it's headed is just guessing. And I don't like guessing. I don't like doing that. Instead, I could tell you what needs to be done. What needs to be done is the most intentional, courageous and brave sequence of civil disobedience since the Civil Rights Act. But here's the thing about civil disobedience where people get a little bit frightened. And you're an amazing example of this. And Henry David Thoreau wrote about this, who was like the original author of civil disobedience in our country. And Martin Luther King derived a lot of inspiration from him, which is you must be willing to accept the punishment. And this is something where you said that you're, you said, you're gonna have to put handcuffs on me. That's what you said on Pentecost, right. If I'm not mistaken. And that's the thing that all of a sudden we kind of like, well, you know, I was into it until I have to actually. No, no, no, no. You must have to complete the arc or else the leaders will not take what you're saying seriously. And it's a very Important point is that you must be willing to get arrested, face jail time, face a judge, and then all of a sudden the weight of what you're fighting will then all of a sudden be challenged. And they're not going to be able to arrest 80 million of us. They won't.
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They can't do it.
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And let me be not talking about being reckless or being, doing anything that would, you know, intentionally try and put someone in a compromising situation. What I am saying though is that if a public health official shows up here, you're gonna say like, you're gonna have to arrest every single one of our congregants because we're gonna keep having church. Like it's that simple, right?
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That's right.
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And the same for the small business people. And we just saw this in New York City. It was actually one of the most optimistic articles I read this morning where 80 businesses in New York City area, they told Andrew Cuomo, you're going to have to arrest all of us.
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That's good.
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All of us. And all of a sudden these politicians who really don't want that conflict, it's a very interesting thing. They're actually conflict averse. They are. They don't want the optics. They don't want the story of having to arrest pastors and arrest small business people. They actually have been able to do what they've been able to do the last nine months. And this is the, this is the tough truth, because we let them. Yeah, we did. And we were far again. There was this part where we were like all in it together. And these experts who've been wrong about everything, we're like, 2 million people are going to die. And these models, like, if that's true, like, okay, then our reaction should have been a little bit different. But then all of a sudden we started to realize the science and the therapeutics and who it's impacting. And around like day 15 of stopping the spread, we were like, well, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Why all of a sudden we're you intentionally destroying our entire civil society over something that impacts a very small subset of the population who actually does not represent a lot of the wealth creating engine of the country. Right. So instead our entire posture should have been a World War II mindset where we protect the nursing homes and protect the vulnerable, but we release and empower students to actually live their life. But we do the opposite. We put infected people in the nursing homes and we shut down our schools.
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Yeah, it's called crazy.
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And it's Almost as if they wanted that crisis to continue on. And so where is it going is this is if good people continue to do nothing, then this is going to go a direction that we're not going to like. I'm going to tell you right now, we are flirting with seven simultaneous crises that are about to occur, whether it be the debt crisis, a capital crisis, human population crisis, a cultural crisis, generational crisis. I have nothing but bad news to share about all that stuff. I could go on for the next hour. A tech crisis, all this sort of stuff, and a disinformation crisis. The only solution to all that is you just open the doors and you allow hundreds of millions of people to re enter into their life. And this is the one. And if I could say one other thing, which actually I was wrong about, and it was really interesting, is that I was going around to churches like this all throughout September and October and you guys were probably agreed with me. Oh, as soon as, after the election, this thing's gonna go away and they're gonna open up the country. Remember we said that what's been so incredibly. And I should have saw this and I didn't is that they don't value freedom. Newsom and the Democrats, they did the opposite. Now that the election is over, they're like, now we can really do what we want to do.
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Right? Yeah.
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Think about how chilling that is now that they don't have an accountability measure, now that they don't have to pay a price of the ballot box. Whitmer and all these people are now intensifying the lockdowns. Remember we were saying the opposite. All of us were like, just wait till the election. We're going to open everything up. Everything's going to be amazing. Like, this thing will go away. Wow. It's the up. Why is that? And that only confirms my suspicion that the fear surrounding this and the lockdowns and the suffering is part of an agenda driven political philosophy where they want to make this country in their image.
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Amen. So I think some people probably like to hear about this other thing that happened in November called an election. Yeah, yeah, so. Or a fraudulent election.
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That's correct.
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There you go. Something like that. So I mean, none of this is. There's been no certification or anything like that. So what if there is a Biden Harris administration? What does America look like?
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Yeah, that's a really important point. Can I talk a little bit about the election fraud part of it? Yeah. Is that okay?
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Would you like to hear about that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. We would like to hear about this.
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No, I just wanted to make. And I've been one of the most outspoken people on this topic, probably in kind of to a great personal cost, quite honestly, because there's very few topics that you're like that really get the sensors as agitated as this topic. And, you know, I worked very hard to get the President reelected. I know convincingly what happened on election night, which was a red wave.
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You were at the White House.
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Yeah, I was at the White House, and I traveled the country. I gave 100 speeches in 60 days. All across. I saw it was happening. And I know what happened in the election where we did really well. I mean, it was a red wave in all but four cities. We won 28 of 28 competitive House seats. As of this morning, Mike Garcia is up 50 votes, and we'll see if they're able to find more votes to defeat him. But we know we flipped Michelle Steele and Young Kim in Orange County. We know that we have Elvira that won in Miami, Burgess Owens in Utah. The people that are trusted the most in the expert class said that Pelosi would get 244 House seats. She'll settle probably around 222 to 223. So it wasn't that the experts were a little wrong. They were catastrophically incorrect. We won every. We won every Senate seat except two. We won Montana convincingly, Iowa convincingly, Kentucky convincingly, and South Carolina convincingly. President Trump won the Rio Grande Valley, which a Republican has not won since 1906.
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Wow.
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President Trump got the highest vote share of black and Hispanic voters of any Republican running for office since 1960. Republicans flipped three state legislators, one governor's mansion, and didn't lose any state legislators. Structurally, across the country, President Trump did better in Chicago, did better in Beverly Hills. He won the Beverly Hills precinct. He did better in la, better in Boston. And everywhere we could look, President Trump overperformed his 2016 numbers, except in four cities. And so here's where all of a sudden, I started to call timeout. There's something not right here. And so I come from Chicago, the suburbs of Chicago, where voter fraud is part of our tradition, where my grandmother was a lifelong Republican, passed away in the mid-1990s. She's been voting Democrat ever since. Right. I mean, that's part of our political history. It's just what you do. Right. And this is what really frustrates me about this whole conversation around voter fraud, is that people say there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud. And so if all of us just decided to go to every restaurant and laundromat in this local area. We wouldn't see any evidence of money laundering until you start to investigate it. It's kind of one of those things that you don't see it until you start to actually launch serious investigations into it. For example, five or six years ago people said there's no evidence of widespread child sex trafficking. It turns out there is. Turns out as soon as you start to get federal agents dedicated to finding that there are children that are being trafficked for evil purposes, it starts to uncover itself. And so when you have this is, this is what it always. It's such an unbelievably dumb argument that the media makes. So let me get this right. You have 160 million people participating in an exercise to assume control of a $4 trillion government for four years that can control the entire political climate of the globe. And people cheat in traffic, they treat in casinos, they cheat on taxes, they cheat everywhere except when it comes to voting to take and assume control of a $4 trillion government for four years to assume the entire geopolitical climate of the planet. That's the one thing where people all of a sudden say, I'm gonna now find the highest moral order imaginable.
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Yeah.
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I mean we are a country that, where 10% of our citizenry will go in the correct correction system in one way or the other. We have, there's plenty of examples of people that commit crimes. Okay. With that being said, there's also organized crime. Right? There's organized crime. And every single money laundering is a multi trillion dollar industry in this country that is hard to find. We've gotten better about it, but it doesn't appear like it exists unless you look into it. Okay, so Atlanta, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Detroit, all of which stop counting their votes on election night. Just no explanation whatsoever. And when I started to get very angry and when I started to really look into this seriously is when all of a sudden the networks weren't calling Florida and Ohio for Trump as they were coming in. I said there's something very wrong here. I said he's going to win Florida by three points. We knew that, we knew that by nine o'.
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And I said there has been a stand down order to make this thing into an all week affair. And you guys saw that on election night, right? Like we saw that he was doing well in Florida. They did not want the sequence of momentum where it be Florida and Ohio. And all of a sudden we were then putting pressure on the urban cities to count their votes instead, as if the public pressure was let off and they waited till midnight to call these states that were already completely and totally, you know, in the president's favor. People come to me all the time. They say, charlie, how do I write a good resume? What do I put? What catches the eye? Because we at Turning Point usa, Turning Point Action, and the Charlie Kirk show, we hire a combined hundreds of people a year. I know what it takes to make a good resume pop. And now there's a company that actually does it for you. It's called TopResume. TopResume is the world's number one authority on resume writing. Professional writers with specific expertise in resume writing. Recruiters and hiring managers lean on tech solutions to scan resumes for top picks. Top resume writers know the keywords to use to get your resume seen. When was the last time you wrote a resume? Do you know what it takes to get notice when applying for jobs in today's competitive market? I've seen what they do. You guys want a job? Then use TopResume. No excuses. Find out how your resume stacks up. Go to topresume.com kirk to get a free resume review. It's as simple as uploading your resume to their site. And you'll get a free evaluation and expert advice on how to make it stronger. TopResume.com is also giving my listeners 15% off their professional resume writing services. So go to TopResume.com Kirk today for your comprehensive resume review and 15% off resume writing services. If you want to work with a pro, that's topresume.com Kirk topresume.com/kirk. And so let's just use one example that is no one in the media can explain. In Pennsylvania, 90 plus year olds saw a 1,774% increase in voter registration in the last six months in the midst of a pandemic.
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Yeah, yeah.
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90 plus year olds. Now this is a practice at the New York Times is called granny farming. And the New York Times calls it this. It's not my term where you intercept ballots that come in from nursing homes. Now a majority of those people that registered to vote were in addresses that had other people registered at very address. So these are nursing homes where you have hundreds or thousands of people that are at that specific population where you have people that take advantage of that. Okay, so that's a practice that I call ballot laundering. Now this is something that now we have whistleblowers in Wisconsin. She just came up in Milwaukee and she said Very clearly that all 20 of her developmentally disabled patients, all 20 were forced to vote for Joe Biden. Just came out the other day. Mainstream news outlet, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, most of the mainstream press is not covering this. In Nevada, the Nevada Native Project posted on their Facebook that they will exchange ballots for cash. You know, it's on their Facebook page. So here's really what I think. And the vote tabulation, the vote counting, the voter registration, the absentee ballot. And what's so stunning is how we're not even allowed to have a conversation about this. And so here's a really important question to ask. And I could go into all this, I mean, again, I could do a two hour speech on all the voter fraud that's been uncovered in all of this. But here's what I'll say to this, here's the bigger point. And then we could talk about Biden and Harris, because it could be that the bad guys win this. It could be, we don't know yet. And I could tell you a path for the President still. It's not over. But here's the really interesting thing to think about. Why do we have this kind of uncomfortable couple month period between an election and inauguration? Why do we have that? Why don't we have the European system where we just put in the leader immediately for this reason? Exactly. Go read the Federalist Papers. The founding Fathers wanted a multi month period to make sure the election was done correctly. That's why. And the media has conveniently ignored that, right?
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Yeah.
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And so in the European system, when a party wins an election on Downing street, they'll replace the prime minister the next hour. You just resign the government's transfer. It's that simple. Why do we have this multi month lame duck period? It's because when you have something as important as electing a president, the certification state by state time is actually built in from the founders for us to find this out. And the media and the political class, they intentionally don't want us to ask these questions, Right? So they intentionally don't want us to ask the question of why is it that Milwaukee said they took the night off and then all of a sudden they dropped 300,000 ballots for Biden at 3:42 in the morning after all the poll watchers went home. Like, why is that like, shut up, racist. I'm like, I'm actually just asking a question. Like, okay, like, that's all I'm doing. I just ask a sequence of questions, okay. And they're like, you don't love your country I'm like, okay, again, I would like to know why is it there was a sudden surge of 90 plus year olds that registered to vote in the midst of a pandemic of a 1,774% increase in Pennsylvania? Who is registering the vote? Who is helping them? Who filled out their ballots? Does it all correlate to them? And as soon as you stop being allowed to answer or ask these questions, then the totalitarians will have won. And I'm telling you whether. And the President can still come out of this. The chances are undetermined. Right. If the Supreme Court comes in and says these ballots were not allowed to be overseen, this system is corrupted. And we're still going to try to find out if there is something that the Dominion voting systems and hammer and scorecard and all these different sorts of things. And there might be truth to it, there might not be. But again, we all know what we saw nationwide. And here's the best argument. When you win 20 out of 28 competitive House seats, when you flip three state legislatures, when you are able to win up and down in California in ways that we never thought possible, when President Trump does better with blacks and Hispanics, and yet in the four cities that matter, it is the only urban variation from that. That is more than enough reason to call timeout.
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Yeah.
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And that's the main basis for our inquiry.
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Absolutely. I know to your disappointment, we're going to have to wrap this up because we got some other. Oh, I know. You're the only people that matter.
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Every service will be different.
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Yeah.
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Because hopefully we'll build out bigger issues and stuff. So
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we use the word socialism a lot.
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Yeah.
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And so could you unpack? Is America becoming a socialistic country and can you do it within a couple minutes?
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Yes. Well, geez. So it's a really. It's actually a super, super good question. So there are socialists in this country. There are. And many of them assume power and control over our government. But what is looming and what is coming next is actually a lot creepier than socialism. And it's a lot, it's a lot more camouflaged. And we don't do a good enough job explaining this. And this is what Biden and Harris would do. If they assume the mantle of government, which is a lot. What you would have is a, is a corporate takeover of your government. And it wouldn't be socialist immediately. It wouldn't, it would be much more fascist, if not cronyist, where you would have a small, select few companies that would be protected and given A platform that they would almost become the rulers of a feudal system in America, so they wouldn't immediately abolish all private property. What we are entering right now in America is almost the post capitalist period. And it's this very turbulent economic climate that we're about to enter, where you're going to have multi trillion dollar companies that will work in tandem with the government. So whether it be the tech companies or the Wall street banks or the Fortune 100 companies, all of a sudden you're going to see a corporate takeover of America. Right? And so. And that's just as bad as socialism. Let me be very clear. The fact that we are not allowed to criticize Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and how they are given preferential treatment to a certain political party and philosophy should bother us just as much as Bernie Sanders saying he's going to take over the entire government. And so I'll close with this. I know we have to. Sorry. And we'll build this out further, which is that we as conservatives and Christians should be apprehensive and skeptical of centralized power in government and in corporate America both. And we as conservatives don't challenge corporate interests enough. And I get it, because we used to think they were on our side, and they used to be. But now the corporations have realized that if they betray the tenets of capitalism and they bribe the proper politicians and they hire the correct lobbyists, then they can get their incumbency protected. Where we will live in this dystopian nightmare where middle class workers and small businesses have no possibility whatsoever of succeeding and the hyper corporatization of America will ensue. Where, yeah, we'll still have some form of choices, but the choice is do you want an Amazon box delivered to your door or do you want, you know, do you want to tell Alexa or Google to have you? That's not a country I want to live in, right? Where all of a sudden we have a group of people that have nothing but contempt for our value system, that almost you have no choice but to buy your products from five different companies. And that's only going to be made more possible by their fusion with the federal government. And so socialism is not what's coming next. It's a cronyist capitalistic model that actually I think will confuse people more than anything else. And it's the opposite of what is healthy for our republic.
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That's good. So I want to ask one more question and so we can wrap it up with this. From a biblical worldview that we have, we believe that God Jesus declared it that he's going to build his church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. So we feel like commissioned here to storm the gates of hell. Can you speak? Just give us some hope?
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Yes.
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I mean we've looked at some big issues that are in front of us and a lot of craziness is happening in our culture. And can you give us hope of what the church can do to make a difference?
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Absolutely, yes. And so here's the, here's the hope is that if Christians and the church really embodied their proper role in civil government, which you guys are doing here, amazingly, none of these issues we would be talking about if Biden and Harris become president, it will be because of Christians that elected him. Yeah, it's that simple. I looked at the numbers. It was a 3 to 4% undervote amongst Bible believing regular church attending evangelical Christians that undervoted towards Trump, towards Biden in Georgia and Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. So why is that all of a sudden a hope filled message? So Jesus Christ at Caesarea Philippi said on this rock build my church. Now we say church, but let's go back to actually the coinier Greek which was a term called ecclesia. William Tyndale saw that word. What is an ecclesia? Now an ecclesia was actually a physical gathering of Greek citizens that were coming together for the betterment of their polis or their body politic, their local area. Why did Jesus use that term and not synagogue or temple? Some theologians would argue, and I completely agree with this, he used that term because Jesus wanted comprehensive, not compartmentalized Christianity. He wanted Christianity in all places. So here's the hope everybody, is that there are zero institutions people trust anymore. They don't trust the news they look at. They don't trust the college they send their kids to. They don't trust the corporations they buy their products from. They don't trust the people on television. They don't trust the tech companies. It is a barren wasteland of institutional trust. What an awesome opportunity for the church to rise up and show people what ultimate truth is.
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Yeah, that's the message of hope.
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Absolutely.