A (3:21)

Do you think that's missing a lot in the younger generation right now? Being outdoors and all of it?

B (3:26)

I mean, kids today, they sit on a couch, it's. Everything's instant gratification. Everything's just so, you know, fast paced. I mean, you know, for me, the outdoors and that's why I try to get my kids into it as well as others. Right. If I can get a kid off a couch, away from a video game, into the woods, I mean, you learn patience, discipline, perseverance, responsibility. I mean, you know, you're playing with firearms. It's a real thing. Those lessons, like you don't learn them anymore in our society. It's probably why you see what you see from so much of our youth that doesn't get exposed to that kind of stuff. So I think it's sort of the ultimate lesson. And I think it's not just for, you know, those pastimes. It's that so much of it translates into the real world and how you conduct yourself in society. Eventually. Yeah.

A (4:11)

And I find that we're so addicted to our devices and.

B (4:15)

And I'm as guilty as anyone.

A (4:17)

Yeah, I mean, like, it's just non stop. But there's something that happens when you go off the grid that's a true release. Yeah, you go hiking in like the Yukon.

B (4:24)

Right. Which is. Well, yeah, I mean, my idea of a vacation is like Just you'll go backpack for fully removed. Drop me off in the Yukon with a rifle, you know, and I'll see you in 14 days. Backpack. No trails, no base camp, no you no guide. Yeah, I've some places you have to go with a guide and other places I've just gone with, you know, one or two friends. And you are literally, there's no, you know, there's no sort of out, right? There's no like, hey, we're going to go back and we can just stay in camp. Like you're carrying camp on your back. You know, every day, you know, 100 mile loops through, you know, legitimate wilderness and that's, that's my happy place. Like the idea of like a beach vacation is hell to me. Sitting on a beach, like relaxing and doing that, like I would, I would rather be at work.

A (5:03)

So Don, you've been in one of the most pressure filled environments over the last five years. Do you think being able to get outdoors and disconnect from all that has been one of the things that has kept this all together?

B (5:14)

Oh, 100%. Like I said, you know, especially today with sort of the ease of access and you know, your phone is a camera, it's a this, it's a video, you got email, you got your text message, you got 50 different social media apps, you're churning content, you're trying to figure out, you know, what's good and what you can work with. I mean for there like there's no cell service, you're 300 miles from the nearest road, you literally get dropped off on like a float plane on a river and you, it's the ultimate decompression. So for me it's just a great thing. I mean I'll carry a small satellite phone that has you know, one battery for like basically emergency calls. Like if it goes really wrong, maybe they can get you out.

A (5:50)

If you break a leg, maybe.

B (5:51)

Yeah, you know, something like that. But basically you're just incommunicado for two weeks. And that's when you see the social media blackouts. That's usually where I am. If I'm not posting, it's like that's where I'm at.

A (6:01)

Do you think that there's something I talked about with Jesse Waters? When you're in the wild, do you think it makes you naturally more conservative? You have to be self reliant, you can't blame other people for your problems. Do you find that to be.

B (6:12)

Yeah, I think 100%. I mean, I think if you look at you Know, so much of, you know, the guys that are doing that, you know, at a high level and a real level where it's not just, you know, you know, you see a lot of this in politics, right, where you know, guys show up to a hunt and they're big, second amendment guys and they're big, you know, brand new shotgun, never been fired, fingers on the trigger, terrible trigger discipline, like. And you're like, yeah, they're just faking it. But the guys that are really into it, the guys that are truly passionate about those kind of things, yeah, they definitely lean that way. And it is because my idea of a fun time is being totally self reliant.

A (6:45)

That's a uniquely American thing though. I mean there's other countries that have

B (6:48)

that, but I think so certainly in this country it is unique. I think the difference between sort of American hunting or the outdoorsmanship is, you know, in America it really sort of started off it's more of a blue collar game, whereas in Europe it's, it's for the elite.

A (7:06)

Super elite. Right.

B (7:07)

You know, it's very different. You know, when people, we must adapt the European model. It's like, well, you know, not everyone has that kind of money to go out and do that. That's why, you know, I've even bucked so many of the sort of, you know, conservative trends as it relates to, you know, public land issues and these kind of. Now so much of the political stuff, you know, and as it relates on it has been weaponized and utilized that way. But the guys that are doing it real, you know, they get it and they are, I'd say, vastly more conservative. Meaning the guys that are doing the

A (7:36)

ultimate stuff, doing the most difficult type stuff.

B (7:39)

Yeah, the most difficult. You know, again like my thing, you know, if I can do one thing, it's like sheep hunting. And literally you may see one animal in a 14 day period. You do a hundred mile loop with a 60 pound pack. It's not like you're hiking on a trail. It's not like walking through Yellowstone where you, you know, it's nice and delineated. Like you know, you're going, there's, there is no trail. You're just in pristine wilderness hundreds of miles away from, you know, the nearest town.

A (8:01)

So walk us through what she punting is how Hull works. It's just super curious about it.

B (8:06)

A lot of walking, a lot of, you know, glassing. So you're just observing. So it takes incredible amount of patience. You got to pick out the sort of one thing and I Mean, I could show you some of the pictures. This is vast wilderness. You know, there's no. It's not like you're driving in and you hop out and you go for an afternoon hike. I mean, that's great, too. I love doing that on the weekends, too, if I'm going elk hunting out west or deer hunting, you know, wherever it may be, you know. But on those kind of trips, I mean, you were literally just in open wilderness, no support system, no trails, no. Everything is just bushwhack.

A (8:37)

Do you think it's time for conservatives to start to really take back this issue of public lands, the environment? You talk to us a little bit. What would that look like?

B (8:44)

Well, I think the answer is yes. I mean, there's organizations out there that sort of talk about it a lot. But when you actually see what. They're literally just funded Democratic causes and they're not really conservationists. Right. The old kind of Theodore Roosevelt model of American wildlife, which is sort of hunting. The revenue generated from that preserves the fauna and the flora, whether it be our national park system, whether it be our public lands. Now it's sort of been weaponized to preservationists. They talk about these things, but they're not really pro Second Amendment. You know what I mean? If they could have a single shot that's sort of good enough for.

A (9:16)

What's the difference between those two?

B (9:17)

There's a lot of. I mean, again, I think they've actually just tried to weaponize an issue, hijacking something that would probably be a conservative thing. You know, great marketing names. It sounds like they're really 400 club or whatever. They would rather actually have no one go in those lands. No one partake in these things. So the issue gets really complex. And, you know, there's some people trying to do good, but, you know, like all things these days, it sort of devolves into weaponized politics, and it's a little bit scary.

A (9:46)

So part of this all, of course, involves the firearm issue. You come out very vocally against David Chipman. Is that his name?

B (9:52)

Yes. Well, listen, Joe Biden, like all things that Biden has promised, you know, he's not gonna be a radical, Charlie. He's a moderate. It's moderate Joe from Scranton.

A (10:01)

Right.

B (10:02)

He's not going to end American energy independence. Oh, day one. He's not going to be soft on Russia. Well, we'll give them a pipeline. We'll stop an arms package to Ukraine. You can't have a pipeline in America. You can't have those jobs, Charlie. You can't have the energy independence. You can't have the lower energy prices because of it. The reality is everything that Joe Biden has done has been extreme. Joe Biden, he doesn't care if you have an AR15 or AR14 as Joe calls it. He is totally good with that.

A (10:32)

AR45 or whatever.

B (10:33)

Yeah, he called it an AR14. That was interesting. It was an M14. But no AR14 that I'm aware of and if it existed, I would probably have one. But you see these things. And so now, like all things, he's not gonna be radical on the second Amendment yet. He's pointing like a Bloomberg type anti gun lobbyist that worked for the anti gun to lead the atf. The person who decides, you know, who gets what, who's running back, all of these things. You think that guy's gonna be fair to people who are just trying to exercise their Second Amendment rights? You think if you're, you know, into like the suppressed stuff, you think you're gonna speed up that process or make it impossible? I mean, this is a guy that's talked about bans on standard capacity magazines. This is a guy who said, well, you know, the Secret Service, who protects the President of the United States, whether that's my father or Joe Biden, well, they don't really need weapons. They don't really need, you know, he said, oh, yeah, on Chris Matthews show there's a clip, I think I put it up on social media. It's essentially what he said. Well, it's a little different. They haven't had to use it. So a guy that doesn't think that some of the highest trained law enforcement in the world doesn't need firearms, do you think he's gonna be fair and just to someone who wants to have a firearm to protect their family, who may be recreational with it. So that's where we do have to get involved again. The media on every issue, we've seen this time and time again, right? Whether it's the energy thing, they will sell to the American public that Joe Biden's gonna be a moderate because they know that's where the American public actually is. They won't tell you the truth. They'll cover it up. They'll push aside anything that would point in that direction. Right. Like Hunter Biden laptop. It's Russian disinformation. The laptop from hell was Russian disinformation. And everyone told you that. Of course I wasn't. I wouldn't have that same benefit of the doubt. I don't think if it was my laptop. That they would be trying to say that it's Russian disinformation or any other kind of disinformation. They would say it is the gospel and therefore will be weaponized against my political enemies. So, you know, this is not someone who's a moderate on the second amendment. This is someone who hopes to abolish the second amendment and he's gonna be put in charge of the agency that decides those issues.

A (12:38)

Yes.

B (12:38)

So, you know, that's where we have to step in. We have to a call out the nonsense, we have to bring those facts forwards, and then we have to get active in actually calling our senators. Right. I mean, you have two senators in Arizona, a very pro second amendment state that are both Democrats. Now. One is clearly a radical on the issue.

A (12:55)

And Mark Kelly. Yep.

B (12:57)

Yeah, Mark Kelly's clearly an issue, a radical on the issue, but like, his constituency has to vote for him again very soon. Very soon. And he's gonna vote for a radical. And again, I don't mean someone who's just moderate, but someone who worked for the radical anti gun law for years, was in charge of. The Waco thing's a whole nother mess. It is a mess this guy feels. I mean, there's something wrong with him. It's not, you know, there's a screw loose.

A (13:20)

Yes.

B (13:21)

But you know, again, if you're a radical leftist, it doesn't matter. They're not. They would never question whether he deserves to be there. They're like, perfect. He will further our cause, therefore, it's great. We will pretend he's a moderate. He will not touch any of those things. He will be wonderful.

A (13:34)

No, I'm laughing. It's like, it's like wanting to run the British Navy. It's like. What was your life experience? Well, I oversaw the Titanic.

B (13:38)

Oh, perfect. Yeah. That's wonderful. You should be captain of all our ships. How about take over the fleet?

A (13:43)

That's exactly right.

B (13:43)

You know, but you. So you have Arizona. You have, you know, a senator in New Hampshire that's, you know, said that she was going to vote for Chipman. I mean, that's, you know, live free or die. Except for.

A (13:52)

Yeah, and she's up.

B (13:53)

And she's up.

A (13:54)

Sununu looks like a very formidable candidate up there.

B (13:56)

So that could be. So, you know, if you're living in New Hampshire, and again, that's a state that's, you know, one of the most pro two way states in the country. Well, one of your senators is going to vote to confirm this clown.

A (14:05)

Yeah. And Arizona has two Sinema and Kelly.

B (14:08)

And Kelly, you know, I think cinema is at least reasonable. Kelly's not going to be on the issue, but he should be made aware

A (14:12)

of Gabby Giffords who's like this whole anti gun, gun confiscation.

B (14:16)

Of course.

A (14:16)

And there's two others.

B (14:17)

Well then you have Joe Manchin, which

A (14:18)

is probably priority number one in West Virginia.

B (14:21)

I'd say the second man's really strong. Like when I go up and give a stump speech in West Virginia, I just talk about 2A because it's, you know, it is a number one issue for his constituency. And then you have John Tester in Montana.

A (14:32)

Yes.

B (14:33)

You know, another state that's pretty Pro2A, you know, and again, when it comes to certainly with Tester and with Manchin, I'm for, I'm a hunter, I'm for the Second Amendment. Well, you either are or you aren't. But you can't say that you're for the Second Amendment while simultaneously voting to confirm this clown.

A (14:48)

Yes.

B (14:49)

Like you can't do that. You got to pick one or the other. So again, if they want to put someone in that's reasonable to the atf, that's the prerogative. That's what happens in elections. Right. The elections have consequences. But if you're going to try to sell to the American people that this guy is not a radical when he's out there saying the things that he said when he's worked for the people he's worked for. And we're going to pretend you can't have sort of, let's call them red state Democrat senators that are gonna pretend that this is not an issue, that it's not a problem for their constituency. And so again, we can't do what we've done historically, we just sit silently. Let's see, maybe they'll do the right thing. Call them, call each and every one of them, ask them where they're going to be on the issue, highlight it for them. Because to me it's one of the biggest confirmation issues that are out there. Because it's not just high capacity magazines, even standard capacity magazines, which is what he said he'd want to go after your AR15, the other nonsense. It's literally everything, your ability to defend yourself, the basic fundamental aspect of the second amendment that is at stake with this guy. And you know, we can sit back and turn the other cheek like we've done for the last 50 years and it's gotten us nothing, or we can actually get engaged and involved and The

A (16:03)

ATF has an extraordinary amount of power.

B (16:05)

Oh, incredible. I mean, they will dictate, you know, so many over these rules and laws. You know, the background check stuff gets done through the FBI and you've seen that's gone woke too, so who knows what happens there. But you know, if you're into any of these things as it relates to the nuance, you've seen it, right? They try to bring up the pistol brace issue. Well, the ATF made a rule to say that this is what it is. And then millions of Americans abide by that rule. And they say, oh, huh. Well, we have a bunch of people that don't know anything about anything. We made a rule, we decided to do it. Millions of people spend millions of their hard earned dollars to do this and to comply with the rules. Now we're gonna change the rules. Yes, we're gonna change that. And if you don't comply, you're in big trouble. And I have a feeling that will be enforced upon us. Just like the rules are only enforced one way. You know, they wanna go door to door with vaccines. Well, will guns be next? I imagine so, maybe even more so than vaccines. And it's a scary situation when you watch sort of, you know, the rapid devolvement of what's going on, the rapid rise of sort of the tyrannical state in this country. I mean, we're not much different than all of these regimes that for years we would have said, that's terrible that you're doing that in Cuba or Venezuela. I'm like, have you looked in Washington yet?

A (17:18)

That's right. Well, I laugh at these Republicans. They say, you know, we need Internet freedom in Cuba. Internet freedom in America would be great.

B (17:24)

I'd love it. You know, I'd love to be able to say what I think without being censored. It's almost like, no, but Charlie, it's a, it's a, it's a private company, they can do what they want, but the White House will dictate to them who is and is not in violation of information, who is or is not spreading misinformation. But I'd ask, you know, Jen Psaki, I'd love. Peter Doocy is the only one actually asking real questions in the White House. The rest are sitting there like the lemmings they are. Oh, oh, oh, wonderful. Oh, oh, oh. You're gonna decide. Well, Jen Psaki herself tweeted the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation. Is she gonna be thrown off those platforms for spreading that? How About Adam full of Schiff. He spent six years, five years, whatever it is, talking about Russia collusion. And he's seen the evidence, but unless he has it, maybe he has to produce it, but he has not yet produced it. So he's been spreading disinformation. What about CNN or msdnc? They spread disinformation about that. They spread disinformation and misinformation about myself. Right. Donald Jr. He committed treason. He then perjured himself. Yeah. Minor thing. Punishable by death. Right. He's working for. He's an agent of Russia now. Hunter Biden. Millions from Russian oligarchs tied to human trafficking rings, prostitution rings in Eastern Europe. No problem. Billion from China. Investment. No problem. Those guys have the best return on investment on their money that they put into Hunter Biden than anyone could ever possibly imagine. But that's not, that's misinformation. Even if it's right there in front of your face, we don't get the same benefit of the doubt. Charlie.

A (18:56)

Don, thanks for sitting down again. And how can. So contact our senators about David Chipman.

B (19:01)

Contact about, you know, if you believe in the Second Amendment, you believe in those basic rights, contact all of your senators anyway. But obviously the ones you're gonna have to focus on are gonna be Arizona, you know, John Tester, Manchin up in New Hampshire. Cause those are the ones that at least you're in a heavily pro2a states with Democrat senators that are gonna be inclined to just go along, make it known, get aggressive on that issue. And again, I think we gotta get aggressive on every issue. Donald Trump going out by himself and sort of leading the charge with everyone else, just sort of watching in the distance.

A (19:32)

Spectator sport no more.

B (19:33)

That doesn't work. They can't cancel 150 million Americans. And if you look at sort of the American populace as they are now realizing they've been lied to, that, you know, the information out there about whether it's the Bidens or anyone else about what the left's trying to do has been suppressed. I imagine it's probably a lot more than 50% because there are going to be people that are going to be inherently liberal that are still going to believe in freedom of speech totally. That are still going to believe in basic rights. And those things are disappearing very quickly.

A (20:01)

I agree. Don, thanks so much for joining us, man.

B (20:03)

Thank you, man.

A (20:06)

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B (20:19)

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