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Charlie Kirk
Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. Patrick bet David joins the show about President Trump, the future of the Democrats, and more super smart analysis from my friend PBD Patrick bet David. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast. Get involved with TurningPoint USA today@tpusa.com that is tpusa.com we also have Joshua Philippe around the Chinese Communist Party. Are they gonna move on Taiwan? What is the Latest with the CCP's infiltration of America? That and more. Email US as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. That is the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. And get involved today with Turning Point USA@tpusa.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
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Patrick Bet David
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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Joshua Philippe
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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Patrick Bet David
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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Joshua Philippe
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
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Unknown Speaker
I want to thank Charlie. He's an incred guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegoldinvestments.com that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com we're going to dive right into it with a legend and a great friend, someone who is one of the most important voices on the planet. And that is Patrick Bet David, my friend pbd. Pbd, great to see you. The audience loves hearing from you and I'm glad that we could have you to kick off the show today. How are you doing, my friend?
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Patrick Bet David
I'm doing great. How you doing?
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Charlie Kirk
Very good, thank you.
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Patrick Bet David
Congrats on the 13 years.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you.
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Patrick Bet David
That's a big deal.
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Charlie Kirk
I know. We are officially a teenager at Turning Point usa, which I guess means that we now can get gender reassignment surgery in California.
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Patrick Bet David
I know it's very important to you and in many states you can do that, but I'm very happy for you.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you. It's an amazing journey that we've been on and just to see how the Lord has blessed us and to see the impact that we've been able to make. Pbd, I want to get your take because you have a way of analyzing things and synthesizing them so crisply. What do you make of President Trump's first couple of months, the state of the country, the state of the Republican party and Trump 2.0.
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Patrick Bet David
So, you know, there's this notion, this quote that we've all read before on. When you're getting married or you're doing business with somebody, or when you're, you know, asking somebody invest into your company or raising money. You know, it's better to under promise and over deliver instead of over promise and under deliver. Every once in a while we get a leader that is willing to have the brass to put his name on the line where you make promises based on a vision that you have that you want to have it come through. Day one, we're going to have peace and I'm going to end the war in Russia and Ukraine. Didn't happen day one. Israel, Hamas, you know, hasn't happened yet. You know, Epstein, 9, 11, John F. Kennedy, all of these things. I think he put such a burden on himself of trying to come through and do everything for the American people that they voted for him after what happened. The greatest comeback ever in politics. We've never seen anything like this ever before. Never. Not in baseball, not in sports, not hockey, not in anything. This is, I believe, the greatest comeback we've ever seen. Everybody wrote him off. A lot of people wrote him off. So he came back and he said, I'm going to do something that we've never seen before. And everybody rallied behind him. You know how I feel about you? I call you the combination of you're a once in a generation type of a guy. I said on a show the other day that I think you're what if Rush Limbaugh and Billy Graham had a son, it would be you. Because what you're doing is insane in a time like this. And I say this behind your back all the time to everybody because I really believe in that with you. So when you do that, you put a lot of pressure on yourself. Now, this isn't like he said that. And he's taking three months off and he's just kind of celebrating going on talk shows, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, all these other shows. Like, you know, such a good point. Let me tell you. How does it feel that you did this? And what is he's not doing that he's getting to work right off the bat. Right. So, yes, there's going to be some challenges, some good, some bad and ugly. Let's go through some of the good, the good borders done. You know, wapo. Hey, what's going on? It's a very rare reason why fentanyl cases have dropped and all this. Safety, security, confidence. You know, kids, school, colleges getting their act together, DEI being gone by companies that you thought would never get rid of it, like ESG, you know, BlackRock dropping some of their ESG commitments that they had. BlackRock. BlackRock was seen as the company that would go do a bunch of. So there are so many of the common sense things that are back, which allows parents like myself and millions of others sit there, be confident about what their kids are going to be exposed to. But there's still a lot of issues that we got to address. Charlie, that is not there yet. And, and, and he's having to negotiate a lot of deals. When you're running a business and you're negotiating five real estate deals, that's a lot. And you know, he probably was able to handle it, but he's negotiating 150, 200 deals right now. And he's probably feeling it, that's my opinion. Now, of course, he's got a great team. They're working well together. They seem united. There's not been that much of a disruption. Yeah, a little bit of waltz, but not that much of a disruption. Where there's little even musk. Oh, my God, he's stepping down. They said it's only gonna be a hundred days. So the people that know, they're not really surprised by it, but it's not there yet. We still have some work to do.
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Charlie Kirk
I think you make a super smart point that I've not heard anyone articulate the way that you just said it, which is that President Trump could have kind of created his own slow motion honeymoon period. He could have just kind of taken it easy, enjoyed kind of being in the White House. And honestly, that is the caricature the left always likes to paint of Donald Trump, that he's lazy and he doesn't work very hard. And he's gonna be on his second term. He's just gonna kind of golf all the time. It's the opposite. He has decided consciously to work harder than ever and to work with a rapidity and a velocity that we've never seen before. You mentioned President Trump's team and I wanna ask you, pbd, I think you're uniquely positioned to Comment on this, because you are very, very supportive of Elon Musk, of what he did, of purchasing Twitter and all he did to help save Western civilization. What do you make of the dynamic currently between President Trump and Elon Musk?
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Patrick Bet David
I was concerned of that in last October when I said, you're gonna see them calling Elon President Musk and they're gonna call him the puppet master, and all this stuff with Time magazine. And then, you know, two months later, that's exactly what happened. But you have to also realize that, you know, one of the fastest way to call a division between two people that work very well together is who's in their ear. So imagine if you. Let's. Let's think devil's advocate here. If you wanted to find a way to pin Musk and Trump against each other, what would you do? You'd get a bunch of people to get in Musk's ear to say, look, I don't know if he appreciates you enough. You know, if laws were different, you would really be able to get the entire job done because you could have been the president. They should change the laws because you should be the president. You would do a better job. You would do this. You don't think there's people like that in Musk's here? I have to believe there is. You know, now, depending on where Musk's at, Musk's so. So, well, battle tested more than probably two people above him that are battle tested. Maybe one person that's been battle tested more than him, and that's the President, where he knows those games. He knows manipulation and gamification. But, you know, Musk thinks very highly of himself as well. He's a very ambitious man. He's a very confident man. I do think he played a very important role, his commitment to what he did in Pennsylvania and willing to put the money behind it and getting to work and knowing the fact that was going to affect his companies that he owns a bunch of equity in and his network was going to take a hit and, you know, Tesla, what happened to his cars and all this stuff, it was a very, very big risk he took. He may go down in the history books as the entrepreneur, the wealthiest man ever. That took the biggest risk politically. If you go back and look at Billy Graham, when he first became very public supporter of Richard Nixon, he talks about it in many of his books, that it was a challenging thing, and he became a little bit more hesitant about getting behind presidents because of what happened between him and Nixon. That that's very well documented where people can read about. But I thought this was necessary. I love the fact that the President is staying America first. I love the fact that, you know, Elon is actually going to be out as an advisor and kind of give feedback because we need that little bit of the friction and the noise. I kind of like that. I love the fact that he's saying the big, beautiful bill. It can't be big and beautiful because we need a little bit of contradiction and a little bit of debate for people kind of see what is Speaker Johnson saying? What are these folks saying? You know? You know, we saved $170 billion in DOGE. You said a trillion, $2 trillion, but it's only 170 billion. But then we want to come out with a big, beautiful bill. You know, we thought Republicans were about, you know, smaller government. It looks like it's really the left and the right that all want a big government. I want that debate. So as a voter, I want that debate. As a voter who's sitting on a board, the voter is the chairman of the board. Right? The chairman of the board, who's a voter is sitting there seeing these debates taking place and he's saying, okay, good point. I wonder, what do you think about it, Elon? Da da da da. What do you think about it, Mr. Lutnick? What do you think about it, Mr. Besant? What do you think about it? And then we were able to sit there and say, what does Charlie think about it? What does the market think about it? What do these guys think about it?
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Charlie Kirk
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Unknown Speaker
He said the most beautiful things about me and he hasn't said bad about me personally. But I'm sure that'll be next. But I'm, I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot.
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Charlie Kirk
Pbd, what is your take on what you just heard from President Trump? And that kind of back and forth with Elon saying he's very disappointed.
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Patrick Bet David
I'm not surprised that I'm seeing that. And I think that's going to continue. I think that's going to continue for the next three, three and a half years. Look, here's think about it from the lens of Elon. Think about it from the lens of President Trump. Okay, let's process both. One is running businesses and in his eyes sacrificed every one of his businesses to help the President win. In his eyes, I'm convinced he believes that the President doesn't win without Elon. And I think a lot of people probably would agree with that. This is looking at it from the lens of, of Elon. Musk thinks very highly of himself. He knows he's the modern day Iron man, you know, the guy who runs multi, multi, multi billion dollar companies. There's a lot of, it's already hard enough to run a million dollar company. A billion dollar company. And I imagine you're running 5,6 multi billion dollar companies. Not easy to do. He's one of a kind and he's one of one. It's probably going to go in the history books as one of one. I don't even know if it's going to compare to Carnegie's and all these other guys. This guy built something very special on the other side. Let's go to the President. This guy lost all the incredible life that he had, personal life that he had partying with. Everybody hip hop loved him. Hollywood loved him. Joy Behar loved him. Oprah loved him. You know, everybody loved this guy. Everybody wanted to have dinner with him. Everybody wanted to be around him. Everybody wanted to have Trump around. I'm not saying he didn't have enemies, but it was that name. So imagine you go from having that incredible life where you're going to, you're going to live your life forever. Restaurants, food, everybody you go have dinner with. Then all of a Sudden, you want to go out there and become a president. Why do you want to do that? And the moment he walks down the escalator and boom, everybody bashes him, and then he goes and they attack him. The second term, when you know, Biden, 2020, what happened there? Everybody's like, oh, my God, all this stuff. And then you come back, you almost die. They try to take you out multiple times. You dodge it, fight, fight, fight. You stand up and you get through that, and you become a president. You win seven battleground states, and pretty much every county flips more Republican. Every state flips more Republican. I'm sorry. That is called doing the impossible. And if today we're sitting here having this conversation, Charlie, if Kamala would have become president, if Biden is president today, he would have stepped down. Kamala would have been a president. But either way, Kamala would ended up being a president. If that's the case today, DEI continues. ESG continues. Climate change continues.
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Charlie Kirk
Borders wide open.
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Patrick Bet David
The woke stuff continues. Border stays open. Crime is up. It is a very, very scary place for America. So I just, you know, in every situation, when we sit there and I had one time a husband and wife that were competing, that were both very competitive in business, and they were building an agency for themselves. And the wife said, I want us to compete because I want to show that I can also sell more than my husband. I said, listen, in every family, there's got to be a one number one. And you can never undermine the one number one. You can have disagreements, but there's got to be one number one. In this case, President Trump is the alpha amongst Alphas. And that needs to be clear to everybody. There is not a bigger alpha than Trump. And as long as we know that in this setting, and that includes Elon Musk, that he knows that we can have disagreements on issues, but if that that goes away and we become competitive and all this other stuff, we forget the sacrifices that President Trump made. I think we're gonna have a lot of problems the next three and a half years.
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Charlie Kirk
So let's talk about the state of the Democrat Party. You have a way of seeing things before they happen. Pbd. And you talk to a lot of different people. Your show is not necessarily just a political show. You have a lot of different voices and a lot of different perspectives. Where is the Democrat Party going from here? Are we gonna see an adjustment from them on the trans issue on the border? They're trying to reach out to young men. What is the state of the Democrat Party?
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Patrick Bet David
So here's the problem in life. Whenever you watch somebody, a person can be a better smack talker, A person can be louder, better at marketing, whatever may be. But if you don't know what your values and principles are, your core values and principles, you're not really going to get people that are deep rooted in who you are as an individual. So I used to make content about business for many years. People loved it, but it was more like, hey man, you really helped my business grow. You really helped my business grow. You really helped my business grow. Until I started really talking about important issues, politics, family, marriage, Iran, taxes. Then they're like, hey, I'm now committed into the way you see on solving issues, right? The Democratic Party right now is they don't know what they stand for. They spent $20 million on this taco campaign and trying to talk about, you know, President Trump to get under his skin. You think you're going to get under that guy's skin? You think that guy, you're going to be able to agitate him like Eric Swalwell and you know, eating the taco and going on Charlemagne de God thinking like he's going to go agitate him. What I want to know is your values and principles. Yesterday we had Stephen A. Smith on the podcast and he wants to run for president. Let's say he does in 2027, 2028. On many of the lists, he's in the top five, top 10 list that he'll run. I said, stephen A. Tell me your top five values, that if you were run for president, what would your top five values be? He said, number one, it would be economy. I said, great. Number two would be border. I said, great. Number three, the four things he said and he says number five, I don't know what number five was, but number five would be a more left leaning policies. I said, great. I said, let's go on ChatGPT. I went on ChatGPT and I said, what are the top five most important issues to Democrats today? And we go through the five. I said, are you for that first one? He says, no. 2, no. 3, no. 4, no. I said, you're not a Democrat, you're a conservative and you don't even know it. He says, well, I don't know what's going to happen. I said, no, no. When you go out there and you're on stage, you say shutting the border, they're going to shut you down because they don't want to close border. When you get on stage and you talk about economy and you don't have a bunch of entitlement programs that you want to pay free money out to people. They're not going to vote for you. If you get up on stage and say, hey, we got to stand up on our own two feet and take care of our families, and you get up on stage and we got to get rid of Vulcan families and schools, you're not going to get their support. They don't know what they stand for. And when you don't know what you stand for, you can spend billions of dollars on marketing. You're not going to win people over. There's got to be a message that cuts through people and say, you know what? I like what they have to say. They don't have any values right now. And unfortunately, until they find themselves, they're going to be in this state that they're in for a long time.
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Charlie Kirk
They're gonna try all sorts of different people to run. Keep an eye on Steve Kerr. I think that is a dark horse that they're gonna try to draft. He's, you know, they're gonna try to reach out to young men. He's super left wing. I'm telling you. Just keep an eye on that. He's very, very liberal. And so just I was trying to think, who. Who are they gonna try to draft? And, you know, he kind of has some Midwest roots. He went to school at University of Arizona. They're trying to run Rahm Emanuel. I don't want to be too focused on 2028, because I want to stay in the present about a minute and a half remaining. Pbd, what is your greatest concern right now for the Trump administration, the Trump White House that you think needs to be addressed? What is what. What is your biggest worry about this current administration?
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Patrick Bet David
Who gets credit for what? If they, if they fight over who gets credit, it's going to be. It's going to be catastrophic. Because I interviewed the former chief disguise officer of the CIA, Jonah Mendez, about 10 years ago, and I said, what's the great quality of a CIA? Is it being charming? Is it being charismatic? Is it being a great seducer? Is it being great at doing needs analysis, getting questions? What is the most important quality of a CIA agent? He says all of those things. Plus, when you know you have intel that can prevent the next war, you don't need the recognition for it. You don't need to go out there and tell the world about it. I just hope the Trump administration and the leaders in there, they're all individually ambitious. I am sure Deep down inside, Rubio is thinking about 2028. I am sure JD's already thinking about those kinds of things. They give me vibes of good values. I am sure Lutnick has his own value. I am sure hex said. But if we can forget about the credit and we just go vision collectively together 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now, history books are going to write about this team in ways we've never seen before, never seen before. And they can do something very special. Where America goes on a run. Roaring 20s. I believe 2026 is going to be the greatest year we've had in our lifetime. President Trump turns 80 on 14 June, 250 year anniversary on 4 July World cup is coming here. They can go on a run, but as long as they stay united and don't worry about credit.
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Charlie Kirk
It is amazing what people can do if they don't care who gets the credit. And that is one of the most important things pbd. Thank you so much everyone. Check out the PBD podcast when I'm back in Florida. I can't wait to rejoin your wonderful show. Thank you so much my friend.
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Patrick Bet David
Take care, buddy.
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Charlie Kirk
All right, listen, I've said it before and I'll say it again. America is waking up. President Trump is back and in just a few short months we are seeing incredible momentum. The border is being locked down, deportations are finally happening, DEI and wokeness crashing and burning. The military stronger than it has been in years. But here's the deal. He can't do it alone. If Congress doesn't codify the MAGA agenda, the the will of the people, we risk losing it all. That's why I'm asking every patriot listening join AMAC right now@amac us Kirk. AMAC is the conservative alternative to AARP. And it's not just for seniors. Anyone can join for as low as $12 a year and be part of a growing national movement. You'll get AMAC's awesome magazine, access to discounts on travel insurance and more. But most importantly, you'll build a future rooted in faith, family and freedom. This is an all hands on deck moment. If you love this country, if you support President Trump, if you believe in America first join AMAC today. Go to AMAC US Kirk, and let's take this country back. Joshua Phillips is with us. Joshua does amazing work for the Epoch Times. Joshua, thank you for taking the time here. I know there's a lot you want to talk about, in particular about the Chinese Communist Party and officials and their relationship with Harvard and the infiltration of our country. Please explain to our audience some of the work that you're doing, and we'll go from there.
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Joshua Philippe
Yeah. Well, Charlie, awesome seeing you, and thanks for having me on. Good seeing you again.
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Charlie Kirk
Yes.
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Joshua Philippe
Yeah. So on the point, I think a lot of people saw this story that Trump was talking about banning most of the student visas for Chinese students. And, I mean, I know what a lot of people might be thinking. Isn't that a bit extreme? They're not all bad people and so on. I can tell you I have a lot of Chinese colleagues and friends who came here as students, people very much against the ccp, but across the board, they'll tell you something. If you come here as a student, the Chinese Communist Party, they will send somebody to meet with you before you go, and they will tell you to remember the motherland. They all understand this takes place. The Chinese Communist Party regards students as spies. I did a recent big expose on one of the big networks as part of this. And I guess if, you know, if there's anybody wondering if you want to really root out the real heart of Chinese espionage at American universities, the real heart is an organization called the Chinese Student and scholar associations, the CSSAs, right alongside the Confucius Institutes and the Little red schools. The CSSAs are openly funded by the Chinese Communist Party, openly operated by the Chinese Communist Party, and openly active at most American universities, most of them. And I'm talking Harvard, I'm talking like, you know, the majority of the. The top colleges in the United States. And these are. These are effectively student unions or Chinese student groups that don't. That don't just include the students, includes faculty. It includes even just people within the Chinese community who are part of what you call the Tong system, the Chinese Communist Party system to subvert the United States. And I'll lay out a couple things they do on one side of it. These are the eyes and ears of the Chinese Communist Party at American universities. And so if you're a normal Chinese student, this is the group that will harass you. This is the group that will monitor you. This is the group where if you are a normal Chinese student and you just happen to believe in democracy and you go to a, you know, support democracy in Hong Kong event, this is the group that will provide your name and your identity for. To the Chinese agents. So you will be punished if you join a human rights event, maybe against, you know, slave labor in China or against organ harvesting of religious believers. This is the Chinese student group that will report you to the authorities. And I should note also, when I know Charlie, you do a lot of work going to American universities. You've probably dealt with some Chinese protester students. A lot of those protesters are from this group. And the big thing is they're organized by the Chinese consulates openly. In fact, if you saw my recent episode on Crossroads, I did a big expose. They even have on their own websites, they will state they're funded by them, they will state that they're operated by them, and they will state they're tied into the entire network of subversion. But I would add one more thing to this for American national security. When we talk about Chinese researchers and stuff at our universities, oftentimes we think about brain drainage. We think about, okay, taxpayer money is being used to finance weapons development or medical, medical research at universities. That's one of the big arguments with Harvard right now, for example. What is not often talked about is aside from them coming here, researching things and then taking our state funded research and bringing it back to China, the biggest threat that these things represent, these student organizations, is that if they are connected to the ccp, which they are again, even openly on their own websites. In fact, the CSSAs are openly operated through the Chinese embassy, their, their educational programs, the Chinese embassy. It means that the CCP can grow them. So, for example, you have a Chinese student, maybe they're studying law, they might go in future, in the future and work maybe in the Justice Department. If you have a Chinese student who's studying maybe national security, and they're an American, maybe they become an American citizen or marry an American citizen, they can later on get a job in the FBI, they can get a job in the intelligence community, they can enroll in the US Military. And even if you're not an American citizen in the United States, there is a pathway to citizenship if you join the military. And I know from people who work in some of the organizations that review these individuals, they're having massive lines of Chinese nationals trying to enlist in the US Military. This means this is a way for them to implant spies within our system. It doesn't matter if it's government or top level business or finance or anything else. This is a way for them to get into our institutions and then use our institutions against us and in their favor.
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Charlie Kirk
So I mean, let me just ask a question here. They're treating us as if we're an enemy. They're infiltrating, they're spying. Is that how China would, the Chinese Communist Party would internally describe their relationship with America because externally they're all like, oh, you know, we're not interventionist. I mean they're just so, they're pathological liars. How does China internally view their relationship with the United States of America?
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Joshua Philippe
The exact slogan, word for word from the Chinese Communist Party that has been in place from the very beginning, up until now with Xi Jinping is we live, you die. We live, you die. They believe the Chinese Communist Party cannot coexist on the same planet as the United States. They view the United States as the largest thing standing in front of the ccp, in front of their goal of trying to effectively take over the world. And what would that look like? It means the China model. In their eyes, there's two competing global systems. There's the Pax Americana and American values. The idea of, you know, it is liberal democracy, meaning human rights. The idea that people are endowed by God as having God given rights. And that people, then the government is instituted as a system to protect God given rights. You know that that's the American idea, free market capitalism, meaning it's not controlled by a governing party. Of course, the Chinese Communist Party's ideology is communism, as we all know. And of course, while some people argue that they are engaged in the capitalistic system, the system they use is what's called state capitalism. What's state capitalism? It just means the state controls the system of capitalism. What is that? That's socialism. In fact, going back even to the Russian Bolshevik Revolution, one of the first articles written by Vladimir Lenin was called how can we advance to communism if we fear the stage of socialism? And he described socialism as the state capitalist monopoly, meaning the state seizes control of the businesses. That's what the CCP practices. And unfortunately a lot of people have come to believe that somehow they're a free market economy. They're not. Any medium to large sized business in China is deeply controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. And if you refuse, you're going to get thrown in the Gulag. And that's the way it works there. They regard America as an existential threat. The greatest enemy of the Chinese Communist Party that has been in place going back to Mao Zedong. It did not change even under Deng Xiaoping when they did the reforms and opening up. When Deng Xiaoping was questioned on this by his advisors, his exact words were something along the lines of orange cat, black cat, what does it matter as long as it can catch mice? Meaning open market, closed market. What does it matter as long as the goal is to undermine and destroy the United States and Xi Jinping has just revived all of this, in fact, even throwing off some of the facade that was maintained of the quote, unquote, peaceful rise of China. They regard us as an enemy. And in their eyes, all of this is war, war by other means to undermine the United States.
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Charlie Kirk
And so there's a lot to discuss here. How then should the United States retaliate? Because I don't think anyone wants a kinetic war with the Chinese Communist Party. But how, if we are on a war footing, how should the United States then respond?
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Joshua Philippe
Well, I think we need to recognize that war is not always. War is not always kinetic. In fact, in the eyes and the public statements of the Chinese Communist Party, they are at war with us. We are already at war with them. It's just a war. We don't realize we're fighting for them. Of course, we can look at many things. We can look. One big example people use is what two Chinese colonels referred to as unrestricted warfare. That's business warfare, meaning you're fighting for the actual businesses. Economic theft, where the Chinese military is stealing intellectual property and then feeding it to Chinese businesses, registering patents, even slightly altering things. They steal from us and then undercutting us on the global market. That's warfare for them. And case in point, the Chinese military is engaged in that. The hackers are Chinese military hackers. There's economic warfare, which is fighting over gdp when they do hostile takeovers of entire industries in other countries. For example, buying up the dairy industry in New Zealand, buying up the, you know, the iron and minerals industries in Australia, doing debt traps through the Belt and Road initiative. They call that economic warfare, the. The monopolizing of natural resources. There's manufacturing warfare. What did Mao Zedong say is one of the main goals of communism? Seize the means of production. Who controls the means of production? That's your factories. China. We gave it to him. There's drug warfare. An operation actually started under Mao Zedong, using the spy networks through Cuba to establish cocaine smuggling, which has now evolved into them providing precursor chemicals for methamphetamine includes, for example, fentanyl in their open writings. This is warfare. And they are killing more Americans every single year than we lost in the entire Vietnam War. They're killing more people than we lose in a kinetic warfare using drug warfare. If I were to go over the whole list, they list publicly over 70 strategies of unconventional warfare, even ideology. They have adopted into their actual military code what's called the three warfares, psychological warfare, media warfare, and legal warfare.
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Charlie Kirk
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Joshua Philippe
It's very possible. So there's a lot happening right now. Epoch Times of course, we have a lot of contacts in China. You know, we're able to make phone calls into China. You know, we're blacklisted in China. But that also means that anytime somebody wants to defect or get information out, we tend to be the go to place for it. I can tell you that our own sources in China say there's a power struggle taking place within the Chinese military. And it looks so far like Xi Jinping is losing the power struggle of the Chinese military. As of now, it does appear that Xi Jinping does not fully control the Chinese military. What does that mean for Taiwan? Well, it means one of two things. Either Xi Jinping does not have the control or power to launch a war right now, or it means he might do it drastically with the intent of maybe keeping his military busy as a way to consolidate power and try to win back control of the military. It is possible he might start a war to kill off the individuals he does not want in the military. And so in terms of national interest, in terms of internal infighting within the CCP itself, it might happen. What would that mean for us? Is the United States? Well, Japan would very quickly move to defend Taiwan. They would. And because we have a defense agreement with Japan and Japan has defense agreements with the Philippines and Australia and India, this would very quickly escalate into a much larger war. We would probably get pulled into it. What would a CCP war look like against Taiwan? So the northern, basically the northern strait, the entire strait there and including even to the, you know, the west. The whole strait is, is like shallow water. They can't really field submarines. Everything will be visible. You would have large scale rocket attacks from the Chinese Communist Party bombarding Taiwan and you would have a boat incursion. Taiwan would defend against that. Imagine saving Private Ryan times a thousand where machine gun nests are replaced with rockets and they're bombing boats far out into the sea. The United States is putting in place what it calls the Hellscape strategy, which is various drones. It's air, aerial drones, surface of the water drones, like boats and undersea drones. And we would also be bombarding the Chinese invasion. I don't know what Japan would do, but they'd very likely be involved in that as well. But what the CCP might try to do in the short term is effectively isolate Taiwan, surround it with their ships, launch kind of a castle siege, very likely try to sever their Internet cables, cut them off, starve them out, and then from there, slowly move to an actual invasion. Would the CCP do it? They might. They really might. But right now, I think that's what's most concerning about them, is everything is up in the air. They're in a very delicate state, but they're also in a very dangerous state because of that.
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Charlie Kirk
In closing here, Joshua, what do we need to do? Very quick, just rapid fire. To continue to have supremacy over the Chinese Communist Party? One, two, three, four things that you want to see President Trump do Very.
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Joshua Philippe
Quick, Joshua, The United States needs to recognize we are already at war with the Chinese Communist Party, but it's a war through other means. Number two, we need to understand they've been subverting our government for decades. There's what's called transnational repression. They have placed agents within our government. Those need to be rooted out. Absolutely. Number three, understand that they use the open systems of the United States against us. The actual slogan for it is strangle you with your own systems. They infiltrate and try to take advantage of open systems. And number four, recognize that even if we don't regard them as an enemy, they regard us as an enemy. That does not mean the Chinese people. The Chinese people are great. The Chinese Communist Party is the greatest enemy even of the Chinese people. And I think the United States hopefully realizes this, that they believe they can't coexist with us.
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Charlie Kirk
Joshua, thank you so much for your time. We'll have you on again soon. And check out Crossroads. You're doing a great job. Thank you.
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Joshua Philippe
Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
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