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Hey, everybody. A new report came out from President Trump's pollsters that's very interesting. It really did a diagnostic look at the 2020 race. And I know that, like you, I'm skeptical of all exit polls, but I think there's a lot of information here that could be very useful. I dive into that and what it means for our country, politics and the future of the Republican Party. If you want to support this program, go to charliekirk.com support we have a team of researchers, editors, people that work all day and all night to make sure this program can be delivered to you every day on the Charlie Kirk show podcast. So Support us@charliekirk.com Support if you can, email us your questions, as always, freedomarliekirk.com make sure you subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show. Can you get one other friend to subscribe today? It would really help us out. And if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA to do something about the decay of our country, it's tpusa.com t tpusa.com Very important episode. Lots of data. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

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We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are gonna fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Okay, so I was going through politico.com last evening, and I tend not to like exit polling and autopsy reports. Back after Mitt Romney lost a very winnable election to Barack Obama In 2012, the RNC came out with a very expensive autopsy report. It was thorough and it was just full of garbage. Quite honestly, it basically concluded that Mitt Romney would have beat Barack Obama if he would have just been more like Barack Obama. Basically, that was the autopsy. President Trump, when he ran in 2015, ignored all of that, and he had a lot more wisdom than following that autopsy report. However, my attention on this story, I think, is warranted. So this particular set of exit polls and data was done by President Trump's own pollster. So this is not done by some left, lean, firm or some sort of media agency. This is done by Fabrizio Lee. Okay. And I think this is also in conjunction with McLaughlin, who does all the President's polling. And so before I get into this, this talks about the. The 2020 election. This does not factor in any of the shenanigans or the nonsense that we've been covering on this program. It doesn't cover. It doesn't factor in the signature verification issues, voter registration issues, all of that. And so I'm not gonna talk about that. But a really good point that one of our team members made is if you do not have your fundamentals down, if you are not exceeding and in certain categories, then it opens the door on the margins for this other stuff to happen. So I just want to say from the outset, I'm not invalidating that conversation. I'm not dismissing those concerns. But there's a lot here in this report by the President's own pollster, President Trump's own pollster, that I think is very instructive that we can learn from. So first, let's just talk about the size of this. This was an exit poll that was done, but with 35,000 participants in the key battleground states. That's pretty extraordinary. And it was done not just the day after the election, but in the days to follow. They were not in a rush. They really wanted to find the data and correlate it. And to be honest, some of the findings correlate with some of the results that we saw in the election, plus or minus with some of the other things on the margins that probably tipped what would have been a close race into Biden's category. What I found to be most interesting, though, is that if you just go county by county, especially in states like Florida and Texas, this exit polling data is probably correct. Let me give you an example by Fabrizio Lee. They did this poll in these states, and so, for example, Trump did better in the Rio Grande Valley with Hispanic voters and better in Miami Dade county with Cuban voters than any other Republican in the last 20 or 30 years. He did better with Hispanics. We knew that just based on raw vote totals, not exit polling. That was something that we celebrated and should be celebrated. Maria Elvira Salazar became a congresswoman, large in part because of the success from the Hispanic community. So on this exit poll, it shows that Donald Trump did 10 points better with Hispanics in 2020 than he did in 2016. That's consistent. So just take that one number that is consistent from exit polling to actual data. So that goes to show that maybe they're onto something here. The most instructive number, though. And I believe this because our team was warning about this and we were told that I don't know if there's any data behind that, and the results showed it, is that there was a double digit erosion with white men. According to this exit poll, and there's a margin here, Donald Trump did 12 points worse with white men in 2020 than he did in 2016. That might be half right, but it's generally correct. I can say this from anecdotal and data inference. And in some states, like in Florida, let's take Pinellas county for example, which is typically, it's a Republican ish county. Joe Biden won that county in Florida. And Florida's a state that we all trust the results from. So what's the number one takeaway from this exit poll when it comes to this particular page that I'm focusing on? Let's talk about the positives. The positives is that Donald Trump has changed the Republican Party to embrace Hispanic voters in a way that the pro amnesty open border Chamber of Commerce group never could have imagined. Donald Trump did 10 points better with Hispanic voters. It's extraordinary. That's reason to take a pause and say, wait a second, Donald Trump, who argued for restricting immigration, for building a border wall, did better with the community that we're told that we have to go offer amnesty and then they'll go vote for you. That is a glaring takeaway. However, according to this data, the Hispanic improvement was not enough to cancel out losses among white voters. If Donald Trump would have just done a little bit better with white voters, maybe the nonsense would not have been enough in some of these states, we would never know. But that's the first takeaway that I think is very, very interesting. The second takeaway is when you go by age and education. According to this exit poll and according to these data, this data by Trump's own pollster, Donald Trump did six points worse with people that were white and did not have a college educated degree. He did one point better with people between the ages of 30 to 44. I think the riots and the unrest probably had something to do with that and also the nonsense happening in education. But Donald Trump's most significant vote erosion was with senior voters, according to this data. And take it for whatever it's worth, it shows that Trump did eight points better, eight points worse, I'm sorry, with seniors. That is consistent with some of the other polling that we've seen, that the number one issue for all voters, the number one issue was the Chinese coronavirus. Wasn't even close. Shows right here Coronavirus 42% of voters in states that Donald Trump did not win or Joe Biden was certified as the winner for said that the coronavirus was the number one priority. Now there's actually a lot of good news in this, in the polling here and actually goes to show how insignificant the AOC agenda is to regular voters in these states, how unpopular it is. It says here that climate change was the most important issue for only 3% of voters 3% that racism was the most important issue for 7% of voters. Donald Trump wanted to run an election on the economy. The Chinese coronavirus prevented that. And so there is some correlation. Which voters do you think cared most about the Chinese coronavirus? Of course it's the voters that according to this own data defected from Donald Trump. White college educated voters that were 65 and older where Trump did 8 points worse with interestingly enough, in the states that Trump held he actually did worse with white college educated voters than he did in the states he flipped. But in the states he held, he was able to make up for it based on this data, or at least within the margin of error with Hispanic voters. 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I know that a lot of people are very dismissive of exit polls, but I think that it's kind of instructive. And I haven't found anything that is wildly inconsistent with data that we trust. Data from Florida, data from Texas, data from Ohio. Just taking those couple states and they're saying, what can we learn? What do we do right? What do we do wrong with how we are actually messaging our ideas and communicating them? And so I want to get to one of the I know this is super interesting. So according to the exit polling data, and this would lend itself to an argument of the kind of say we need to look more into the shenanigans and the nonsense and the tomfoolery of who won. The voters that did not vote in 2016, according to the, according to President Trump's pollster, it shows that Joe Biden won them by 14 points in the states he flipped, where he only won them by eight points in the states he held. And so take that for whatever it's worth. But there were, there was a group of people that came out to vote simply and solely to oppose Donald Trump. However, there were mail in ballots being sent all over the place. Voter turnout was sent to proportions we've never seen before. Therefore, it quickly became a first time voter Trump referendum, which is exactly what the Democrats wanted to do. Another very interesting piece of data was the impact of late deciders. We have said on this program that President Trump did not have his best debate performance on the first debate. The second one I think he won hands down. However, in the new era of vote by mail and mail in voting, there were over 50 million people that had voted before the second debate. And a lot of people looked at the first debate and were trying to give Trump a chance. Well, it shows here that in the last month in the states that Joe Biden flipped, according to President Trump's pollster, it shows that Joe Biden won late deciders by five points in the states that Donald Trump won by three points. And it says that President Trump needed late deciders to break in his direction. The states that were flipped, but that did not materialize. So you add some of this up. All of a sudden when you don't have strong signature verification, you don't have voter registration check records, all of a sudden, what otherwise would have been a six or seven point race became a 10 or 12,000 point race. And all of that stuff comes into one where if you're not blowing the opposition out by 5, 6, 700,000 votes and you're within these margins, you don't do good enough on focusing on some of these issues and all that. And that's to say it's not President Trump's fault. I think that there were some people around him that were giving bad advice. I also think that according to this data, if I could find it here, there's 20 pages here by Fabrizio Lee, it shows that the entire election should have been run on a referendum of Kamala Harris. Now, I will say our podcast was one of the few podcasts that was publicly urging and insisting on running an entire election against Kamala Harris. The data shows that if it would have been a referendum on Kamala and not on Joe Biden, this election very well might have been different. Again, this is a 35,000 person sample, according from Fabrizio Lee. It shows that Kamala Harris had a net unfavorable rating in every single state that Joe Biden won. That was a battleground state. Let me repeat that, that Kamala Harris was 10 points unpopular versus Donald Trump. Out of the four people running for office, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, the most unpopular person was Kamala Harris. I didn't see one advertisement directed towards Kamala Harris. I didn't see one rally that was all about the incoming Harris administration. This was something we warned about. This is something that we talked about because we actually talk to real voters and real people. We don't just sit behind a computer screen all day. And that goes to show that in some of these states, people went into the ballot box and voted for Kamala Harris while not liking Kamala Harris. That is a failure of a communication strategy in a campaign that did not frame it properly. So what does this mean for the future of the Republican Party? What does this mean for the fights that we have right now, such as amnesty and all of these ideas that are being presented? Let's face it, taking trips to the post office is probably not how you want to spend your time. That's why I recommend mailing and shipping online@stamps.com. stamps.com allows you to mail and ship anytime, anywhere, right from your computer. 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And again, with my promo code, Kirk, you get a special offer that includes a four week trial plus free postage and a digital scale. No long term commitments or contracts, just go to stamps.com it's super easy to use. Click on the microphone at the top of the page and click in Kirk. That's stamps.com, promo code, Kirk. Stamps.com never go to the post office again. We have a couple of people emailing us freedomarliekirk.com they say, Charlie, why are you talking about exit polls? None of this stuff is right, okay? This is President Trump's own pollster, this is his firm that he paid for and that they released. They didn't embargo it, they didn't burn it. They released it publicly. That's number one. Number two, that there is not one piece of data that I've seen here that is inconsistent with results of states that we trust. So let's just take Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin out of the equation. Does anyone here want to be as bold to say that you think the Florida election results were compromised? No, you wouldn't say that, would you? Of course not. You'd say, oh, no, I believe Florida. Well, if you believe Florida, then you believe this, because I've been talking about Florida data here. A lot of this is about data of states that Trump won and he still did worse with certain groups. And yes, some of this data is really sobering. Some of this Data is not, might not what you want to hear. And I'm not delegitimizing the conversations that we on this program have had about voter integrity for the last four months. However, if we act as if we were perfect in our persuasion with every single group, with every single part of the population, we're fooling ourselves. There's always room for improvement. There's also room for celebration. Such as we did phenomenally well with Hispanic voters. Really well. Why? Well, right now, Dick Durbin and Lindsey Graham are entertaining an amnesty bill. That's right. Senator Lindsey Graham, who calls himself a Republican from South Carolina. I praise Lindsey when he does good things and I don't praise him when he does bad things. This amnesty stuff, I am just, I'm going to make a prediction. Lindsey Graham will come out with Chris Murphy and they will want to invade Burma by the end of the week. I'm half kidding. But Senator Lindsey Graham is very hawkish. He always wants to use military force to try to effectuate neoconservative nation building anyway. One of the big takeaways, though, is President Trump had the strictest immigration policies of a president of any person running for office. Probably since. Boy, jeez. Probably since Eisenhower. Right. Even Reagan didn't run on strict immigration. Reagan granted amnesty in 86. Then he signed into law mass amnesty, and Reagan even called it the worst mistake he made of his presidency. So President Trump had the strictest immigration policies of any president, not just candidate, of restricting entry into the United States to protect the American worker, uphold legal entry into the United States if and when it benefits our fellow countrymen the most. So since probably Eisenhower or even before that, we'll have to probably go backwards and try to go back in time and see who had the strictest immigration policies. Definitely not jfk. Actually, jfk. No, that's not right. Now, JFK was very much open borders, nation of immigrants, all that nonsense. LBJ was definitely open borders. Richard Nixon. I don't know very much about Richard Nixon's immigration policy. Jared Ford, No, Jimmy Carter was definitely open borders. Reagan granted amnesty. H.W. bush was Mr. Amnesty. In fact, the massive increase in visa distribution was pioneered by H.W. bush. Clinton was very much pro amnesty. W. Bush was pro amnesty. Obama was pro amnesty. And then you have Trump who actually says, we got some serious problems with our immigration policy. Serious problems. That if you want to come here with skills and with capital and to benefit our country, then there's a process to do that. However, we are not going to keep our current immigration policy of Unlimited refugee resettlement, open borders on the southern border to allow illegal entry into America. And what the amazing takeaway though. And again, if you just wanna ignore all this data, that's fine. I won't because I think the data's super instructive from Trump's own pollster is that Trump's own pollster is that when you're actually stricter on immigration, you win the communities that other people say you're not going to win. One of the big surprises though here that I will say, and it is an improvement, and I will say this, that if I'm the Democrats, this is actually rather deflating. If I can find this page here from Trump's pollster, again, it's like a 55 page report. I encourage everyone to check it out. Here it is that despite four years of Trump being called a racist, despite four years of BLM Incorporated and every single possible accusation from Omarosa to others, Donald Trump, according to these exit polls, did 1 point better with black voters. That's a reason to celebrate. It might not sound like much, but if Republicans. And by the way, it's one point better, but on a percentage basis, it's actually really good. If you are increasing your level support in black and Hispanic communities in any way, shape or form as a Republican, that is worthy of praise. So it shows that Trump did better. In fact, it shows that Trump did better with black voters than George W. Bush, than H.W. bush, and he did better with black and Hispanic voters, more so than any Republican running for president since 1960. Pretty incredible. Where the erosion is though, was with white men. In particular white men over the age of 65. Their number one issue was the Chinese coronavirus and the handling of that. Donald Trump in the states that he held. I'm just talking about the states he held, okay? I'm talking about states where you don't have any kind of concern about the legitimacy or the integrity. I'm not even talking about Georgia, I'm not talking about Arizona, I'm not talking about Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania. I'm talking about Texas. I'm talking about Ohio, I'm talking about Iowa, I'm talking about Florida. States that we have not had a discussion about any sort of sworn affidavits or anything around that. States that you trust and I trust. It shows that President Trump did three points worse with white women. There is one lesson here. Some of this data goes to show how much people hated Hillary Clinton, to be perfectly honest. Secondly, the Chinese coronavirus did not help. Now, I'm gonna Be very honest. I am very. If you're in favor of wearing masks, please do it. Wear two, wear three. Wear however many Dr. Fauci tells you to wear. I am. I love Liberty. I'm not gonna tell you not to wear one. You can wear one. I'm indifferent. I am as Dennis Prager says, so I'm gonna just quote him so I don't get in trouble. I am mask agnostic. There are certain studies that show they work There are certain studies that show they don't work at all. Whatever the Danish study says, there is no correlation at all whatsoever. And there's no cor. And Heather McDonald says in the City Journal, there's no correlation between the two. However, the data here, according to Trump's own pollster, which, again, it just kind of stuns me, Shows that 75% of voters in both states that Trump won opposed a public mask mandate and that 58% of the people that favored a mask mandate voted for Joe Biden because the mask mandate. What this shows in the states that even Trump won is that the issue of masks became a wedge issue. I'm gonna tell you guys, when I predict things correctly, like the Kamala Harris thing, I'm gonna tell you when I'm just stunned. This just stuns me. Not exactly. Let me tell you why. In Florida, I'll use a better example. Texas. Let's use Texas. Texas. You can open carry. Is that right? You can open carry, Connor, Sort of. You could buy a firearm rather easily. So you can buy a firearm rather easily only if you wear a mask. So just for me, just the inherent kind of contradictions here of we're cool with Second Amendment, but we're not. So I thought that there would be a little bit more of a, we might want you to wear a mask at certain places, but we're not going to mandate it from the federal government. That ends. According to Trump's own pollster, that ended up being a significant wedge issue in these states. The other thing, according to Trump's pollster, in the states Trump won, the states Trump's. Trump won shows that 81%, 81% of voters and the states that Trump won, Texas, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, 81% believed that the virus was, quote, not at all under control. These are the states that Trump won. In the states that Trump won, 18% of voters felt that the virus was not under control at all. Pretty stunning. Here are some of the other key takeaways from the states that Trump won, according to Trump's own pollsters. Again, I'M just ignoring Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona. You guys can come to your own conclusions on that. However, I do think this data is instructive, at least on the margins. In the states that Trump won, Dr. Anthony Fauci had a 3 to 1 positive job approval rating. These are the states that Trump won. The Chinese coronavirus was the top issue in both state groups. And President Trump's job approval was very mixed. It was mixed where a lot of people thought he was doing good on the economy and foreign policy, but not very good on the Chinese coronavirus. Why President Trump did not do a peace tour in every state, bragging about how he started no new wars and negotiated peace. Do you know that in the two debates that President Trump had and the one debate that Vice President Pence had, they did not mention once that peace was negotiated between Israel, uae, Bahrain, Sudan and the Middle East. Not once was that mentioned. The polling shows that peace is popular. Who would have thought that peace is popular now? Joe Biden's probably going to get us in some sort of skirmish in Burma. And if you can find Burma on a map, I'll send you a signed copy of the MAGA doctrine. I'm half kidding. But to summarize all of this, and we'll get into this in another segment, is that when you oppose amnesty and you have strict immigration, you win Hispanics and blacks. And that perception is reality, that President Trump's response to the Chinese coronavirus was awesome. His communication, though, people perceived as if it was out of control, if he would have just played a role on TV like Andrew Cuomo. In fact, I can make the argument Trump was too honest. We are just finishing Trump's pollster's own report that was just made public. And I think it's very instructive. We're only talking about states that I don't think anyone listening to this would find objections with. We're not talking about Arizona or Georgia or Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin. We're talking about Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, Ohio. And just interestingly, how President Trump did so much better with Hispanics and blacks and a little bit worse with white blue collar voters. And part of it, and I want to make this very clear, part of it is I think a campaign strategy could have been different, a communication strategy could have been different. But also we were up against massive social media fraud. We were up against social media tech censorship. We were up against the inability to talk about Hunter Biden and his laptop. We were up against a social media cartel. That said, if you talk about this, you're gonna lose your accounts. We were up against an activist media that conveniently, every single day, talked about how Donald Trump was responsible for the Chinese coronavirus death. So two can play this game. Did you know Today there are 611 children that have been separated from their parents at the border still? Did you know that since Joe Biden got sworn into office, thousands of people have died from the Chinese coronavirus? Is he worthy of blame for that? Of course not. It's a virus. That's what happens. We as conservatives are not quick to all of a sudden say, well, now he's to blame for all of it. Instead, we can blame him for probing and proposing and eventually backpedaling on wanting to vaccinate terrorists ahead of American citizens. That would be something worthy of attacking or criticizing, I should say. And so we were up against massive headwinds in the 2020 election where Joe Biden received almost zero negative press coverage, where there was a multi institutional agreement between all places of power that were supposed to be objective, that they were gonna put their objectivity aside temporarily and suspend it to go get a win for the decent guys. Because we have to unify the country, which is their opposite. Their belief is we have to have the absence of opposition. So every sort of societal referee that we were supposed to have that was supposed to call balls and strikes or umpire as societal umpire, they took a break. Every single one of them. From how we conducted elections to social media, to the activist media, to journalists, to academia, to the fact checkers, to the means of communication. All of them, because of their misimpression and misinterpretation of Donald Trump and the threat that he posed to their own power, they decided we are not going to be umpires anymore. We are going to put on a jersey and we're going to play for the other team. Now, the significance of that is we were playing from an altered and edited terrain during the entire campaign. We tried to get information out. It was immediately distorted. You put one piece of information into the system, it came out as disinformation. President Trump's supporters are assaulted outside of the White House by BLM Incorporated in Antifa after the Republican National Convention. The no coverage of that whatsoever. Zero. President Trump gets a vaccine. No coverage of that whatsoever. President Trump gets the Chinese coronavirus. Liberal activists wish him dead and they get away with it. So we were dealing with a different paradigm where all the other conventional rules of even running a campaign in 2016 were temporarily suspended. However, I'm afraid that temporary suspension might be permanent. I'M afraid that we are never going to get back to the time where the umpire is going to get back to calling balls and strikes, where the next time we run an election, all of a sudden the fact checkers are still going to be in the pathological left wing category, that the institution of influence will still be in the pathological left wing category. And so now we have to look at all this data and all this misinterpretation of reality and adjust change the way we do elections. You have to put pressure on Georgia and Arizona today to change the way we do elections. Voter id, vote verification, paper ballots, reduce mail in ballots wherever we can, strict signature verification standards, do what we did in Florida, all across the country. And secondly, we have to learn from this, at least from a public policy perspective, and say we are not going to embrace amnesty that will make us lose vote votes with the Hispanic community. That was the Simpson Mazzoli act that Ronald Reagan signed in the 1980s. So there's a lot of takeaways here, but the biggest of all of them, and my personal opinion, is that President Trump broadened the reach of the Republican Party. Now it's up to us to say, are we going to fix the way we do elections and continuing that expansion, or are we going to retreat back to the failures that plagued us for decades before? Thanks so much for listening, everybody. As always, email your questions to us. 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