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Thank you for listening to this Podcast 1 production now available on Apple Podcasts, Podcast 1, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. It's been a very interesting couple weeks, to say the least. A couple days ago in Phoenix, Arizona, we hosted the President of the United States for a very big rally. We were very pleased for that. Thank you. The media might not have told you about it, but we had 3,300 students from all across the American Southwest come to Phoenix. And it was actually pretty incredible because that was 3,300 more people than would have showed up to a Joe Biden rally. So I think he had like four people show up to the last, socially distanced, whatever that was. But it was incredible to see because in the middle, it was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. And we've done some pretty interesting things at Turning Point these last couple years. But in the midst of what we're going on, go through in a country, going through the country right now, there was huge backlash from the city council. The mayor was trying to shut it down. Insurance companies were trying to drop us from offering insurance and all that. But we still posted it. And the media was, well, is anyone going to show up? Is anyone going to rally and all that stuff? And boy, did we prove a lot of people wrong. It was really something and I think we helped play a role in turn the media narrative. Turning Point, no pun intended. Right. But I do want to talk about a couple things today. I mean, I am a, I'm a Bible believing Christian, so it is awesome to be here. I speak at churches wherever I'm invited. And I spoke at Pastor Rob McCoy's church, Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks in California. He's a total superstar. He was the only pastor in the entire Southern California region to stay open on Easter and got threatened with arrest and all that. He's like, we're not closing. He's like, just come on in, come arrest me. And it was pretty awesome to see and of course, came after him than they would have anyone actually burning down American cities. Just kind of goes to show the priorities of our current law enforcement structure. It's incredible when you have pastors that are being arrested, pastors that are being targeted. Marijuana shops remained open all throughout California, by the way. Liquor stores remained open. And you have what happened in this last week. NASCAR driver says he found a noose in his garage. And you have 15 FBI agents go there within like a moment's notice, right, to go invest. 15. Think about how many people that is. I mean, that's incredible. Again, that's 15 more people than what showed up to a Joe Biden rally. And 15 people like that, and they find out that it wasn't really a noose, it was a garage door opener. We can't even arrest the people that are taking down our statues and burning down our country. So if you are like me, you feel like you're losing your country. And if you feel that way, then you're correct. And I want to kind of walk you through what is happening culturally in our country. I'm not even going to get too much into the politics. I know I already shared a couple fun jokes and stuff. But what's happening politically in our country right now is just an after effect. There's something much deeper. It is spiritual, it is cultural of what's happening. And to be perfectly honest with you, organizations that call themselves churches are very involved in what's happening right now in America. And it's very disappointing to see how some of the biggest churches across the country, within a moment's notice, put their entire congregation and the people that are entrusted towards what I believe to be one of the most disingenuous, divisive, destructive political movements in American history of what we're seeing right now. And so first we had the virus and the lockdowns, which played a huge toll on every single American. Almost no one was unaffected. Unless you own Clorox, because they did great. I mean, besides them, you know, Clorox or hand sanitizer companies had the greatest year ever. Or if you make masks, and if you do, you're probably Chinese made. But besides that, it's just, you know, it's just a tough time. I get it. And so we had the virus and the lockdowns, and we as Christians generally just obeyed the rules. We said, okay, we're not gonna, you know, civilly disobey. We're gonna do things right. We're go to Zoom. We're gonna do all that. And there's a very interesting calculation that happened here because as they locked up Christians, we weren't getting ecclesia what it says in the Bible, which means gathering of believers. And the Bible tells us very specifically, do not forsake the fellowship of believers. And why I love the whole Zoom Skype thing. If you are in, you know, if you are in the category of potentially, you know, getting harmed by the positive technological innovation, I think that the way the church just totally said we're not, you know, we're going to just forsake that for months, I think that was generally, you know, a mistake. And so then people are not getting their moral connection every week. And then something happens that didn't divide. That was what was so perplexing is that you had a Minnesota police officer do something that no one supported. Even police officers said that was an improper way to go about it. And instantaneously the media says we're divided over this. And I was like, who's divided? What are you talking about? Like, we all agree that this is not good, shouldn't have happened. But they said, oh yeah, this is really going to stoke racial tensions. It's like, well, first of all, how do we even. This is a bad police officer against this citizen. You guys are actually imposing racial tensions on this situation. Like this is more about abuse of power and much less against white people and black people. And the hyper racialization of it was very, very concerning how they did it. And then in the last couple weeks, you saw complete and total silence from most people in the conservative Republican circles. I was told I had to shut up and stop talking because I was a Christian white male. So I've been louder than ever at great expense to all of our well being. But it's whatever. That's why I do what I do, right? And I just made a very, I believe, Western argument, pro Christian argument that we're all made in the image of God. Do not characterize people on immutable characteristics. Don't judge someone because they're black or because they're white. Judge people based on their character and their worldview and what they do. And so this is an argument original sin. So it's like very simple. Are human beings flawed or not flawed by nature? That's what's happening. Because the left, they say, well, all these bad things are happening because of bad police. Hold on a second. Bad things are going to happen even if you remove the police at all. Just look at Chad's right. So you remove the police, you remove all business, you remove Private property, and someone gets killed within like six days, tragically, more rapes than ever before. Sexual assault, all these horrible things. Like, hold on a second. I'd like to get rid of all these things. Things are going to be harmonious and wonderful and terrific. Of course not. We know that's the silliest thing that you could possibly believe because we have a book that tells us that. And we also have observational evidence to show that in human behavior that human beings are flawed by nature. In fact, we believe in some form, and not a Calvinist, but some form of the depravity of sin, like depravity of man. Like we're so irredeemable that we need Christ to be able to save us. Right. And that's all Christians will believe, some form of that. And so. But the left doesn't believe that. The left believes in a Rossouian idea. And if you don't know who Rousseau is, I encourage you to check it out because he wasn't the first one to articulate this, but he was probably the most popular where he said, no, no, no. Human beings are actually perfect. This is what they teach our kids, by the way, in our schools. Just so you know, human beings are not flawed by nature. The human beings are corrupted by all the forces that we created around them. That if we actually just put them in the state of nature, that we would just be wonderful and harmonious and terrific and. Yeah, exactly. It's worthy of mockery. But we have an entire political party that's advancing this ridiculous idea now. And then you have churches that are agreeing and signing up to this. You know, it's really interesting and I think this is a worthy goal. But I saw a car parked out right in front of Citibro just about an hour ago, and I think it's a worthy goal. What this person had painted on their car, they said, end racism. I'm totally on board for that. What they're really saying is to end sin. That's really what they're saying. Right. And so those other Christians know that, like, that's not going to happen. So it'd be more probably a better way to word it is like, let's try to lessen it. Let's try to create better people. Let's try to bring people to Christ, which is the ultimate truth. But the idea that we can eradicate evil in the world, that us human beings that are evil, to eradicate evil, that's making you God is really what it is. This is a quasi messianic complex. That people get in the world right now. And so what you see, what you've seen this happen now is that the lack of believers and there's some great ones that are out there, but there's just not enough. And the lack of people standing for truth right now. And I do want to talk about truth because it's such an important point that we as Christians don't always dive deeper into what that actually means because we say it and we just kind of move on. And I want to talk about that is if you don't confront a bad idea immediately, it becomes like really popular really quickly. So if you don't say this is a lie, for example, when they say America is a racist country, our elected officials should have linked arms. They said, we are the most decent, benevolent, generous, charitable, open minded country in the history of the world. We're the most unracist country in the history of the world. And that's the truth. No other country has brought in so many people from different backgrounds or different languages and been able to operate generally cohesively and harmoniously as the United States of America. It's never happened before. And here's the greatest argument to prove that. If we were such an indecent, racist country, why did 2 million people voluntarily from Africa since the 1970s come to America legal African immigrants? Why have more people come here legally from Africa than came from the slave trade? Well, it's because we're actually a generally decent country. Now, of course, there's bitter, spiteful people that harbor the sin of racism, of which it is a sin. It is. And it's a repugnant sin. However, that is not the only sin that exists in the world. If we convinced ourselves that's the only sin. How about the sin of you think you're God? Like that's actually one of the original sins that you're not supposed to cross when all of a sudden you think you can design society to get rid of everything. I think that took one commandment in the uploaded moral app that Moses was given from God. Right. And what's so incredible is that the hyper fixation on this in our country has now brought us into a more racist society where now you can't walk the streets in New York and you're just in New York without people coming up to you and potentially challenging you because you're a white person. Say take a knee because you're white and apologize for things that happened before you. It's happening right now in our country where now we have black only dormitories on hundreds of campuses across the country, resegregating our kids where we're not judging people on the content of their character or their worldview, we're not judging them on their skin color type of racialization. It's multi thousand year digression. And then you have people say, well don't you understand? You have white privilege. And this really bothers me because I've had an opportunity to travel across this state and across many states that have predominant white populations. And when I go and I see the opioid clinics and I see the communities that have been suffering because of jobs that were eliminated because of the war on coal or the war on manufacturing, and I say to myself, did they use that white privilege card? And if so, when. I mean, human suffering happens to every single community inevitably. And this idea that just because of the color of your skin, you have more privilege in America, first of all, it's statistically untrue. Second of all, it's unbelievably divisive. It's just ridiculously divisive. Because then all of a sudden you're going to start categorizing people and it's anti biblical. I mean, Jesus tells us, Paul tells us in Galatians 3:28, neither slave nor Jew, you're all free under Christ. And basically the idea of the west, what we have all participated in growing up in, and now it's all been put in jeopardy. Just so you understand, we're entering a country that is so tribalistic. We're going back to like the four hundreds and it's that bad. It's happening in our university system and in our public school system where now it's like, no, no, no, I understand that this whole idea of you as an individual, what's your skin color? And then based on that skin color, you have to either apologize, you have to repent, or you have to atone for that. And that is not an overgeneralization. It's happening on university campuses and high school campuses all across the country. And so. And then this is where the church has to come in. Because the church has to recognize that first of all, they're coming for you now and they're coming for you next. The left has total contempt for the American church. In fact, one of the leading Black Lives Matter activists by the name of Shaun King says that we should take down statues of Jesus Christ if the melanin skin was not perfectly correlated with that of someone from Judea and Samaria, Right? So he's like, just take down all the statues of what he calls White Jesus. That's a completely stupid term, White Jesus, because you go all across the world. You can go to Peru, you can go to Colombia, you go to China. Any Christian community actually makes the image of Christ look more like the population they're communicating to. It's just, you go to Africa, for example, they have black Jesus. Okay? So this is. But put that aside. He's like, oh, we got to take down pictures of Christ. So it's already happening. And so. But the church generally has been either complicit or complacent, one of those two categories. This church is an exception. So God bless you for having me here because you deserve a lot of credit. You really do. Because I've experienced in the last couple weeks a megachurch pastor. I have to tell this story. It's outrageous. I'm not gonna say his name, but it's. You guys can figure it out yourself. So this megachurch pastor comes up to me a year ago and he says, I'm a huge fan of yours. I love what you do. All these sorts of things. I say, thank you so much. Introduces himself as a pastor, second largest pastor in the entire country. Huge congregation, right? Massive. 60,000, 70,000 people. And he's like, I want to come pay you to speak. Oh, my goodness. That's amazing. Thank you. Text messages. We become friends, right? Texting, all these sorts of things. So then he starts liking my Instagram post. Now, mind you, I never asked him to like my Instagram posts. Like, it's completely voluntary, right? It's out there for the world to engage with. I never asked him to like my tweets, okay? And so then it gets found out by some non church member in his local community that he's liking my tweets and my social media posts. How dare he, right? Like, that is. That's an unspeakable thing, right? And so instead of saying no, actually what Charlie's saying is true, right? That idea of truth that makes the Christian faith different than any other religion in the world because it's our. It's our unrelenting commitment to truth. He then goes on stage and says, oh, I'm so sorry, I had no idea. Throws me completely under the bus. Never mentions that I'm like the most listened to Christian podcaster, you know, in the country, or, you know, social media out there. It's like, forget all that stuff, right? To me, he just throws me under the bus, whatever. So what's incredible is that he apologizes for something I Need not to apologize for, right? How about you stand up for why you did it? Because you. It would be one thing, right, if I called him out as a friend of mine and he was like, oh, I'm not comfortable with that. Like, no, you liked my products. You went out of your way to like my stuff. And so then what ended up happening is national news story. You guys might have saw the story, and it was a total, total thing. But then, incredibly, is all the local city governments now then say, oh, since you apologize, you admitted fault, we don't want anything to do with you, right? So all these poor people that were receiving aid from this mega church, they said, we don't want your help anymore. That's what happens if you bow to the mount, right? That's what happens when you surrender to the swarm. All of a sudden you admit fault and all this stuff happens. Anyway, that was an incredibly disappointing thing that happened, and it can be repeated. And there have been some amazing pastors. Jack Hibbs, Rob McCoy, I work with Liberty University. Jerry Falwell Jr. Who's one of the few just awesome, strong Christians that gets it right now. But really what's happening right now is Gideon's Army. And if you guys know the story of Gideon's army, where huge battle, conflict is pending, God continues to winnow away the troops, and eventually it brings up the troops to the river and says, those people that got on their knees, you know, they got to go home. And the people that drink like this, they can eventually was 300 versus like 35,000 people, right? And the three. The delivery was the victory was delivered to the 300 people. And it wasn't because. Necessarily because of what they did. Instead, the story was not because you guys should go to a river before you're going to fight. That would be the wrong application of the story. The lesson is that it was God who delivered that victory, right? And I think that's what's happening right now. It's a refiner's fire when we're actually starting to see who's actually fighting for truth and who's not. So let's talk about truth, because that's a very important thing. Other religions claim that the most important figure in their religion said true things, right? So all of us would agree that Isaiah and Moses said true things, but what made Christ different is that he was the actual embodiment of truth, that everything about him was true. It wasn't just like, he said a couple things that were like, yeah, I'll put that on a bumper Sticker cool. It was that the idea of Alpha and Omega in Greek terms was that everything that human beings ever needed to hear. He said that his life experience, that his character arc, if you will, from an archetypical standpoint, was so complete. And so we as Christians know the story. We, those of us that have dedicated our life to Christ, know it, what it means to be reborn. But let's talk about it even more in deeper terms, because we don't always communicate. This is that. That those in Philippians right before one of the most famous verses ever, Philippians 4:13, I think it's Philippians 4:8. Paul says, I could have. Could be off by a verse or two. Paul says, advocate for whatsoever is true. If you go back to the original Greek, it literally means all things that are true. So it's not to say that there's a greater truth than Christ. That's not what I'm saying, because that's the ultimate truth. And what does that mean then? You're totally irredeemable. You need redemption. You're not going to get it on your own. It's not what you do. It's just accepting this gift. That's what we as Christians believe. However, if we have truth as we have to cross, that means that we actually care about something. That is a commitment to truth. There are other things that can be true, not equally as true, such as America being a benevolent, generous, accepting country. What Paul's really saying is we should have tolerance. We should have no tolerance for lies anywhere. Is what he's saying, is that we shouldn't be okay just walking around having people say, yeah, you know, we're a really bigoted, awful country. Like, that should bother anyone who's in the truth business. And most people are Christians, right? And it's like, we shouldn't be tolerating anyone that says, well, yeah, you know, I'm the world's best basketball player ever, and it's obvious that they're not. That should bother us. Be like, okay, that's not true, right? And so it should equally bother us when people then don't fight for the truth. So the truth can be very instructive right now. This is a very important thing to connect, though, is that you can know the truth. Important, right? But then what do you do with that? Okay, can save you, can give you eternal life and give you salvation. However, the next piece, though, is I think what's missing a lot right now is because if you just know the truth and if you use Jesus parable, if you have light and you just keep it underneath. You know, I believe the parable says underneath either a bowl or something of that I could be incorrect. But essentially, don't allow the light to spread. What good is that? Light, essentially, is the idea. It's the idea of we're calling you to be bold, right? We're calling you to go out. In fact, Christianity compels us. We are to go make disciples of all nations, right? Like we should go forth and advocate for truth in every single realm and arena. And so people say, well, Charlie, I don't think Christians should be involved in politics. I hear this all the time. I hear this from pastors. I hear this. They say, oh, it's messy. I say, well, first of all, you want to talk about what's messy? Let's go around to a couple churches, okay? Anything human beings touch will be messy. You want to see corruption, you want to see self interest. Everything human beings are involved in that will happen. And some churches are better than others. But don't try to go on a pedestal and say that the church has been immune to that kind of behavior. That's number one. But what does the Bible tell us to do? The Bible gives us very specific instructions of how to act and what to do in every single realm of life. What to eat, how to act, how to marry, how to communicate, to tell the truth, to not lie, all these things. And you're trying to tell me that somehow that the one segment of society that touches every other segment we're just supposed to not involve ourselves in. So here's how I break it down. It's a very simple decision making matrix. Number one, the most important thing you could do in your life is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Most important thing, you know, the second most important thing is make sure you can do the first thing. And so we as Christians should absolutely say, I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Then we got to ask ourselves a question. Are we still going to be able to do that in 10 years? Is the world a better place because the United States of America is the Kingdom of God spread or not spread because of the United States of America? It's not even close. I'll tell you an example. There's 100 million people in South Korea right now. It is on fire for the Lord like you wouldn't believe. Christian revolution. Why does South Korea exist? Because United States of America. After World War II, when we were war weary, we stepped up and sent troops to a war that we would never benefit. Land from no wealth, from this whole idea that we're colonial is just one of the most pernicious lies that has ever pervaded the United States school system, ever. In fact, we have fought more wars for nothing in return except the land of bury our dead than any other nation in the history of the world. We just ask for the land to bury our dead and say, thank you, enjoy your life. So we pushed back the Korean and Chinese Communists with Russian, Soviet support. They had the entire Korean peninsula. We pushed them back. South Korea exists now. Tens of millions of Christians committed their life to Christ on the Korean Peninsula. Basically, next to none are doing that in North Korea because of totalitarian communism. So thanks to the United States of America, more people know Jesus, know eternal life. And I go example by example by the way, of where the church is on fire in places like India, the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, where we have no investment. It's not a state, it's not anything. It's just like, hey, we stepped up. We sent our sons and daughters to go fight for something that was righteous and pure and true. And it's not always a perfect calculation. America's gotten involved in plenty of muddied international conflicts. But the question on the moving average is, is the world a better place because of the United States of America? The answer is, of course it is. We don't teach any of this to our kids, by the way. That's very important because everything that is taught to our kids, and I'm generalizing, there's plenty of good schools and good teachers. But trust me, if anyone knows how we communicate to kids, the person who's visited more college campuses than any conservative in the last five years. I've visited well over 150. Turning Point USA is on 2000 high school and college campuses across the country. We're on pace for a thousand chapters. I know what's being taught. Like, I get it, and it's really bad. Everything is through a negative lens. Everything. Everything is trying to get students to become committed activists to destroy the country that they're within. And it's rooted in this very specific division. Not specific. That's not the word. It's a very simple division. Are you grateful or ungrateful that you live in America now? All throughout Paul's teaching, he talks about how thankful he is. That gratitude is a huge element of Paul's letters to the early church. He basically says, be thankful, my friends, for the persecution. This idea that because you're born in Christ, because what you've been given you have that joy. That gratitude is almost the fruit that makes everything else sweet. In fact, I think if you don't have gratitude, you're going to be a very unhappy person. I actually think that if you want to be content, it's because you're thankful. If you're not very content, it's because you're not thankful. Same could be said for a country, though. Do you think the people that are marching on the streets right now, do you think that they're thankful? You think? Do you burn down that which you are thankful for? Do you riot for that which you are really you are thankful for? You protect, right? Think about about it. You protect your family, you protect your grandkids, you protect your church. Think about the thing where you would take up arms to protect whatever that thing is, is something you're thankful for, right? And think of the thing that you wouldn't. But then you're not. I mean, you might be somewhat thankful for, but you might. That's exactly what's happening. So what we do is we teach ingratitude to kids. No. We're an awful country. We're racist, bigoted, homophobic, backwards. Founding fathers were slave owners. This whole thing's a failed colonialist experiment. And yet what we do not see right now is, by the way, this could have been the greatest moment for conservatives and Republicans in American history. And currently we are squandering it because I'm speaking louder than ever. And we've benefited from it. At Turning Point, our platform is bigger than ever. Our podcasts are unbelievable because there's so few people that are actually telling the truth about our country. And so you have this incredibly dangerous project by the New York Times funded. It's called the 1619 Project. You ever heard of it? They're teaching it in schools all across the country. Jillian stated into public instruction for the state. Did I get that right? I think I did, yeah. Sorry. In charge of what your kids learn. Okay, we talked about this. She's doing a great job, by the way. Wyoming's gonna be better off because of the work she's doing. The 1619 project's funded by the New York Times. It's in hundreds, if not thousands of school districts across the country. So the idea of the 1619 project is that it's completely postmodernist, it's anti American, and the founder is a complete work of. She's a piece of work, okay? You see her, she calls white people total barbarians. She says white people have done more damage to the country, to the world. I Mean, she's incredibly racist, right? But that's who's teaching her kids. And so she comes up and she makes this ridiculous argument and it's so foolish, yet it's new that only someone who has a doctorate from like Brown can believe in something like this, right? So these elites are like, oh, yeah, that's really fashionable. I like that. Let's teach our kids. It's is that we weren't founded in 1776. This is her entire idea, right? We were actually founded in 1619 when the first slaves arrived to America. And you read what she believes, why she believes it. It's very flawed historically and otherwise. Well, first of all, she fails to recognize that most of the slaves were brought to America through English colonialism, Right? America was literally, metaphorically and psychologically founded as a response against the kind of English tyrannical rule. And just a very interesting point that she mentions in none of the curriculum. Many of you guys might, you know, might not have known this. The first state to abolish slavery was a year after the Declaration of independence, Vermont in 1777. So before we even became an official country, we were already abolishing slavery. And so then you have Senator Tim Kaine, who's an absolute fool. He goes on the United States Senate floor and he says, America invented slavery. This is a pathological lie. There were slaves that predated Christ. The idea of slavery. Every single civilization has had the idea of slavery. It's actually because of Christianity that slavery was abolished. The idea of the liberation of the individual, the sovereignty of the individual, that you're made the image of God. Yet we teach our students that it was our country that perfected it. No, within 70 years, we fought an armed conflict to get rid of it. No other country can boast that there are slaves right now in the Middle east under Islamic theocratic fundamental dictatorships. We don't teach our kids that the world's largest religion, the thing that they, the truth that they value most, is not Christ, but Muhammad was a slave owner himself. That would be a nice little piece of contribution of information, right? That. Now, it depends how you calculate it. Some people say Christianity is the world's largest religion. Some people say Islam, whatever. Let's say that Islam's one of the, if not the largest, I think that's fair to say, to be most specific, that it's perfectly their most important person in their faith, who they called the Prophet, was a slave owner. Like, that would be a nice contribution of information, right? And so here's to kind of Summarize it all is that we do have the truth. And so if you look at John 1, it's very important because John 1, amazing. If you look at it just from a literature standpoint, it was written unlike any of the other gospels of the books of the Bible. It was. It was different in the way that it portrayed Christ and not different in a bad way. I encourage all new believers to read John as their first book just because it's so. It's written in a very narrative form that brings you through. But it starts with this idea, and it's one of. It's the only gospel that goes out of its way to describe Christ as Logos, which literally means ultimate truth, right? That this is what is good and right and true in the world. And so it's that commitment to truth is why Christianity has always been on the right side of scientific, medical, societal and civilization advancements, right? It's because when you create a society that's around the discovery of truth and you create a whole culture around that, then you're going to do awesome and amazing things. You're going to eradicate polio, you're going to. You're going to have amazing inventions. But the opposite of that, what has the atheist secular worldview ever done for the betterment of humanity? Well, let's look to the 20th century, right? We have plenty of examples of this, and we don't teach our kids any of this stuff in the last hundred years. We have an entire book literally, of what happens when you judge people just based on skin color. What happens when you promise utopia? Utopia literally means nowhere in the root word of the word. What happens when you think that one human being around limitless promises can deliver you heaven on Earth? It's very interesting because we cannot create heaven on earth. In fact, nothing even close to it. But we can get really close to creating hell on Earth. It's a very important thing to remember. We can get close to creating our own form of hell on Earth. Just look at The Soviet Union. 60 million people dead. Famines, poverty, suffering, killing, extermination squads. I go into a school at Brown University and I ask them who Alexander Solzhenitsyn is. They have no idea what I'm talking about. These must be the brightest kids across our country. Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who wrote the Gulag Archipelago, one of the. I mean, if you guys want to see how dark human beings can get, just read a chapter of that book. Read a book that's called KGB's Most Wanted by a friend of Mine, Joseph Bardorenko, who was a pastor who was arrested at age 26 in the Soviet Union and imprisoned for two decades because he dared talk about the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg. Thrown into the worst aspects of society. This would be highly instructive for the next generation to know, right? Because history, if you want to know the road ahead, ask those coming back. It's not as if these people that are on tv, you have Alexandria, Ocasio, Cortez and all these fools, right? They act as if they're the first people that have ever thought of these ideas. Oh, everyone before us has gotten it wrong. I mean, all we have to do is take from these people and give to this people, and we have all this sort of incredible amount of justice. And you start to see the little dictator in them start to get up, right? I mean, you give them a standing army, they can take over a small Central American country with that message. And because those ideas have. And what. America was always resistant to these ideas, though, because of the church. You have to understand that the only reason we didn't go into communism and socialism in the 70s and 80s, and by the way, the Soviet, we. We have this ridiculous belief that we were the only ones sending spies into Russia, that they weren't sending spies back. Think about that, though. Like, we have this belief, like, oh, yeah, all these people were trying to infiltrate the kgb and we had all these sleeper cells in Moscow and St. Petersburg. You ever think they were trying to do that to us too? Like, of course they were and they did. And in fact, in Yuri Besmanov, who I highly encourage you guys to check out the declassified files, he was in charge of the American file and the KGB that killed him a couple years later, sudden heart attack in Canada. But all the videos are on YouTube where he says, oh, we infiltrated universities, we infiltrated Hollywood, we infiltrated the political system. And so. And what always made it different, the one thing they couldn't quite get their way into was this. But they're here now. So this. That's why I am more convicted. Now, I'll speak at any church that will have me to warn about what's happening. Because this country was founded by the churches. This country was perfected by the churches, or I shouldn't say perfected, but it was improved by the churches, because dare I ever say that we achieve perfection? That would not be true. But the Civil War and the idea of the Emancipation Proclamation was the churches that were driving that change. The abolitionist movement was A Christian movement. And yet now what we have today is the last population that could save us from absolute and total dissent into barbaric tribalism is the American church. And so people, Christians. And there's two pockets, in my opinion, of what happens, actually 3. There's one pocket of Christians that know this is right, but they're so decent, they're so wonderful. Christ filled people. They just feel like this is so combat. Like it's combat. And I get it. It's like, I can't do this. Like, it's just. It's too loud, it's too messy. Can I just go on a mission trip? And I get that. I get it. And if that is you, I have a way that I can suggest how to involve. The second group of people is what I call the excuse of eschatology, where people are like, oh, the world's gonna end in like five days. None of this matters. Christ is coming back. I'm just gonna make sure I got all my points and my Christian scoreboard filled right? And I'm gonna make sure all my friends are bullied. Governments, this, that, who cares? We're all doomed in the long run. I don't. I don't have that kind of eschatology, okay? That is not my belief. I think that's actually against what Christ tells us to. The third category, though, which is very important, is people that have been misled in seminaries, people that have been hypnotized into believing that Christ was actually a socialist, believing that America is actually a force for bad and for evil in the world, not for good. They're the ones that actually are the most clear and present dangers. I think that the people that have those kind of eschatological beliefs, I think they can be brought over into the category of standing for what is right and what is pure, what is true. I do. Because they do believe. They believe in the Bible. The people that are like, I don't know how to do it. That's okay. So there's three types of people in this fight right now. There's the people that are doing nothing or helping the opposition. There's the fighters and the people that help the fighters. So understand, in a war type analogy or a metaphor, you don't have to be the first person on the front lines or the ones flying the planes. Be someone that helps in the supply line. Right? World War II is not just one of the people that stormed the beach. Thank God for those people. Right? It was the mostly female force that worked 24 hour shifts in the factories to make sure we had the physical infrastructure, be able to fight two wars in two different theaters at the same time. And I think that's the kind of broad perspective we have to take because people say, well, Charlie, I could never do what you do. And I said, that's fine. And I don't recommend it, by the way. It's not. I happen to, we happen to be built for it. I happen to be built for it. But you know, having death threat stops, having personal security all the time. See, Wyoming, I don't need as much personal security because I figure the moving average is someone somewhere is armed that likes my worldview, that they might stand up for me. But I saw Hercules over here and I was like, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna have my back. But all kidding aside is that there has to be a very clear clarion call to action for that. And so here's the optimistic part, right? Is that we don't have the tech companies, we do not have the political elite. Our politicians have sold us all out, by the way, most of them. God bless Donald Trump for what he's done for our country, what he has to fight for every single day. And I'm blessed and honored to call him a friend. And that's another thing people, Christians say, well, I don't like his tone. I don't like this and I don't like that. Okay? I say, you're a Bible believing Christian. They say, yes. I say, well then I need you to go get a pair of scissors and remove a part of your Bible. What are you talking about? Say get rid of the story of Samson. Just get it out, right? Because if you look at, in Hebrews, Samson is talking about in the hall of faith. If I go into a Sunday school class full of 7 and 8 year olds, I can't tell the story of Samson without like watering it down. God came to Samson when he was in the prostitute's bed, who was floundering around the entire town and city. God called Samson to go take a jaw, a donkey and go kill a thousand Philistines. It's pretty aggressive stuff, right? I mean, that's not exactly pg, but God called Samson for a very specific purpose because the people of Israel were not standing ready to stand and fight. And we see this theme repeat itself all throughout the Bible. King David. There's parts of the King David story we're kind of like, yeah, we don't have to tell our kids about that. We all know about it. But I mean, he basically had Someone murdered so that he could go commit adultery. Like, that's a double whammy against the Ten Commandments and put a bow on that one. But he was still a guy after God's own heart, right? And so what you see with Donald Trump is someone who has done more for the evangelical cause, more for the kingdom in America, fought harder. And I kind of look at him as a bodyguard. A bodyguard for America and a bodyguard for truth. Like, do you want your bodyguard to, like, always be the most polished guy? No, he's a guy that's gonna take the arrows and the bullets for you. A guy that's gonna punch the other side of the face for you when it's needed. Right. A guy that's gonna allow you to be safe. A guy that's gonna be the bulwark and the titan, that's gonna be like, stand behind me. I got this. Now, do you want someone who's nice and very particular, please stop doing this? Right. Can you please stop burning the church? That would be really nice. Or someone that. Like what he said the other day, if you burn a church, it's 20 years in prison. We're going to find you, we're going to arrest you, we're going to put you in prison. That's not happening on my watch as president. Do you want someone who asks nicely to plan parenthood? Can you please stop the million abortions a year? It's probably not the best thing. Or someone like Donald Trump, who, by the way, I understand completely, some of you guys. Well, Charlie, he's twice divorced and three times married. He's on the COVID of the Playboy magazine. Fine. Let the first among us without sin throw the first stone. But would you rather have someone who's so polite and all this, but never spoke at the March for Life, like George W. Bush? Never even because you didn't want to offend someone. But Donald Trump, first president ever speak for March for Life to stand on the side of the unborn, who actually has cut Planned Parenthood funding, where we have Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on The Supreme Court, 200 circuit court judges who assigned executive orders for religious liberty that has allowed churches to operate without the threat of audit or subpoena or being closed by the federal government. That happened under Barack Obama. So what I'm saying is that we as Christians, in my opinion, have to understand that knowing truth is critical. In fact, it's most important. But fighting for truth is not more important. But I actually think it cheapens the truth if you don't Fight for it. I think I actually question whether you believe in it or not, because we all have ultimate victory, right? And so that should actually surrender us to kind of go even further in this earthly domain. If we know where we are going, if we have faith in that final destination, that should say, you know what? I know I'm going to heaven. I know why I believe what I believe. It's time that we start to contest for this right now. And so what I see is really interesting, and here's my incredibly optimistic point, is that I believe in the Galatians 3 model, where I am a. I'm a principled constitutional conservative who's a Christian. Christianity is more important than those things. But when I go to a college campus, I'll weave in and out themes of Christianity. I'll never apologize for it, and I'll debate atheists all the time. But my primary message is about the ideas of a civil society and governance, the Constitution and all that stuff. We brought more people to Christ talking about organized political thinking. And then people say, well, Charlie, where's the root of all that? I'm glad you asked. We get our three branches of government derived out of Isaiah. We get the idea of moral governance out of judges. We get the idea of laws from the Ten Commandments. We get the idea of private property from Abraham, who literally bought the plots of land in Hebron to be able to bury, which is now the hall of Patriarchs. These ideas didn't just, like, arise out of someone in the 1600s. They were fought for and perfected. Actually, there was a law giver, not just laws that arrived miraculously, that you have rights, but you know that someone gave you those natural rights. And so what? We get these messages like you wouldn't believe. Charlie, you've brought me back to going to church. Charlie, you've brought me to Christ. These are people that the church was not giving them what they needed. You know what it was? They were sure. They were saying, yes, I believe in Christ. They lifted their hands for conversion, but there was no discipleship. See, the Bible tells us to create disciples of all nations, not converts of all nations. Now, you can't create disciples without converts. Understand that? But what happens, you have these young kids that are 21 years old that give their life to Christ. And then all of a sudden they say something that is even remotely organized in political thinking, saying, maybe we shouldn't have statues be pulled down and their friends call them names and they kicked out of sororities and they're kicked off of social Media and they go to their pastors and the pastors say, well, you know, we don't really get involved in politics around here. And they leave the church. And that's happening more than you can imagine. This idea that you can separate the church from the contested culture, that sort of surgical precision I don't think exists. And so that's what I think is so exciting about the optimistic part of it. And to kind of close the point, we'll do some questions, if that's okay, is give the left the tech companies, give them the politicians, give them, you know, all these ridiculous amount of infrastructure. They have trillions of dollars. They have all the world governments. I'll let them have all that. If we can have the truth. If you have the truth, you can diffuse all of that. I have turned people that are in their mid-60s away from the lies of leftism and secular and humanism with one sentence of truth. One sentence of truth can diffuse a lifetime of lies. That's it. And that kind of commitment to that should fire up everyone to fight harder and to spread our message more than ever before. So let's do some questions, if that's okay. Thanks for having me, guys. So, Anyone?
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I'm not afraid of you.
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No, you're not.
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Hi.
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Hi. My name is Marlena. It's really nice to have you here and we're very grateful that you came. First of all, I'm done. I'm done with all of it. All of it. And I'm tired of not being able to fight. And I need to know what I'm supposed to do next. I've been homeschooling my kids for 24 years. With a historical background, with a biblical background. I fight for everything around me. My husband will tell you the very same thing. He doesn't shut me up and he makes sure that people hear. But the thing is, is nobody is hearing anymore. And I'm tired. I'm tired of a younger generation who is constantly belitt the older generation and telling us that we have nothing to say. I'm tired of my parents generation sitting around and saying, yeah, we're too old. We have nothing to do with any of this. I'm tired and I'm just sick of all of it. What are we supposed to do next? Because every time I ask, I either don't get a response or I get, well, you know, it's just the way. The new normal. It's the new normal.
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I'm done. So. Have you run for school board?
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I have not. Because I'm Busy homeschooling my children.
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That's fine. I understand. So I, I, I, I feel you and I hear you. I get this question a lot. What am I supposed to do? Yes, I've done it all. And I said, well, first of all, I applaud and appreciate it, and I love, I love the energy, and I wish we had a million people like you.
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Ask her what her pastor thinks.
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Huh? Ask her what her pastor thinks. What does her past. Okay, so let me talk a little bit abstractly first, and I'll talk more concretely if that's okay. So abstractly is that everyone should be sacrificing and surrendering something right now and being willing to lose everything in the pursuit of truth. That's hard, right? And so everyone has their, like, guardrails. For me, it's like, yeah, they'll take everything that I've worked for, all my advertisements, my podcast, Turning Point usa, our buildings, and all of it. At this point, it's like, I've already kind of come to the conclusion that if they take it all away and I'm still advocating for what's right in the world, I win, they lose. That's basically it. That doesn't mean to be reckless about it. Right? That's. That'd be silly. But you should also, you should also understand that there's. This is not going to come without a price. In fact, we're guaranteed persecution in the Bible. That's number one. Let's talk more specifically. Christians have got to get organized and run for school board. Does anyone know every school board member here in local Gillette? Probably not. Yeah, Christians usually don't. No offense. School unions do. They know all of them and they're involved. They finance, they run them. Why? The church doesn't have regular meetings to run for. A school board drafts candidates and knocks on doors. I don't get it. And that's happened all across the country. It's not just here. It's in Thousand Oaks, California. It's in Bangor and Maine. It's in Charlotte, North Carolina. And by the way, I think it's second Timothy something. It says, pray for your leaders. Know them by name. That they might have the hearts, might be First Timothy. I might be confusing it. However, those are our leaders. Every Sunday service, we should be lifting up our school board members by name and saying, we pray for these people to make informed, moral decisions for our local community. And the school boards are a huge thing. Number two, more specifically, spend more on cultural and political engagement every single year than you spend on Coffee. And by the way, the average American will spend about $10 a day on coffee. And you might not, and that's good. But that's an average American, right? So if being caffeinated is more important than having a country, that's fine, that's your priority. But it's amazing how people. And I'm not just being financially, that's part of it. Right. But it's like it's one of those things. And I feel your fatigue. Right, because you feel as if, my goodness, I'm doing all this stuff. However, what you're already doing is what I always tell people to do, because this is what makes the left and the right different, is that we actually believe the greatest prism to be able to create a better world starts with you. They believe the great prism to create a better world starts with destroying everything else around you. And these are the people that are total schleps. Their rooms are a mess, they're up till 3 o', clock, you know, doing drugs and drinking. And they're incredibly disorganized. And they're the ones telling me, I gotta get our life together. Like, wait a second, come to me. When you've shaved, showered in the last month, you know, can speak a coherent sentence and can pass a drug test, and then let's have a conversation about what it means to create a better world. And that's the entire thing is we have not laid into the next generation about if you want to be an activist for a great world, be the most productive, moral, responsible person you can be before you start telling us that the rest of the world is unjust. Right? Make sure your room is perfectly tidy, make sure you dress nicely, you conduct yourself, never tell a lie. Like the things that are basic, as Jordan Peterson would say, rules for life. If you're not following those things, don't go pick up a sign and take on the rest of the world. So I want to commend you, though, because you're already doing those things. And so my encouragement to you, though, is don't get disheartened if you're already doing the correct things that other people should be doing, because that's already going to be. It's kind of, in some ways it's the categorical imperative, which is not a Christian ethic, but it's very applicable, which is if you think that you can get away with doing something and you don't think the rest of the world will not do that something, then you're not actually acting morally. And so Kant, who is really screwed up and a very tough read. He would argue that you should not lie because if other. If you should not lie because then it would give permission for other people to lie. Like, you should act as if other people should act. It's the same Christian ethic as do unto others as you want to do unto yourself. Right. And I interpret that as, like, if you're not in your individual life, not contesting for these things, you're not. It's not a spectator sport. Right. It's not like you show up to an auditorium and be like, you go Trump. Like, yeah. And then you just kind of go home and like, no, it's everyone involved at all moments, from education to finance to politics to governance to church to religion to shopping to all. Everything you do should be around that prison of the pursuit of truth. I hope that's helpful. Next question, Hercules. Okay. This goes back to speaking of Sampson, by the way. My goodness.
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So this goes back to you talking about likes on social media. Yeah, this is going on right now. It's actually a lot of the reason I came here. Our mayor blackmailed the city councilman off of. Well into resignation because he liked a social media post of mine, and
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he
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resigned because she said that she would come out and publicly humiliate him. So he resigns and everybody wanted answers on why he resigned. So in an effort to justify her actions, she posted all the information that she said she wouldn't post. In doing this, she kept my name on every post and she put my name all over all the government social media pages and then every newspaper. So I wasn't very happy. And I went to the next city council meeting, which is two days later, and told her what I thought. And this. This little feud goes back even like, back to when I was a kid because her daughter hated my brother. Whatever. So anyway, I tell her what I think, and two days later, the video's got. We put a video on Facebook and two days later it's got 17. And now the entire community is turned against the local government and it's a huge mess. I've contacted everybody and nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole.
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Yeah, I don't know what you posted, so I have to ask, but I
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could read it to you.
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Well, we could sidebar afterwards. So I have to do my due diligence because that's absolutely. Yeah.
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It was essentially asking how I could aid the safety of police officers in case there was a BLM protest that got violent. I used the word mongoloids in it and apparently That's a deal breaker.
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So, yeah, I probably wouldn't support that.
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You know, you can say that I'm not very nice, I guess, but to them have the mayor label me as this racist, sexist bigot. So now I get to wear all the titles that the local government put on.
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I'm happy to chat with you after, but thank you, my friend. So, and I, I can only imagine how awful it is to go through something. I mean, I do know because I see it every single day.
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So
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I'll actually piggyback off that. But asking questions that will, maybe you can answer when you're dealing with a local government that has council members and a mayor that, that tell the community that they're God fearing and you know, answer to the authority of the Lord and you are in a current situation where you feel like they're not standing up for what's right and you turn to your community and you're getting, you know, great response, but you're not really getting any response from your pastors and from your church members. Where does that change start? And I mean, I've talked to my own pastor about this and you know, he always defaults back to Romans 13. Yeah, Jesus, Hope, love and you know, turn the other cheek. Love your enemy. And that's why, you know, I hear most of the time we get excuses from the church of why they will get involved in something that's a little messy and standing up for what's right. But I have this holy conviction inside of me to deliver the message of truth, but do it in a way that's not hateful. So first of all, great question. A lot of pastors will say that and then they'll also hide behind, I think it's Romans 13 which says basically God appoints all levels of authority and all that. So that's a really interesting point, but we have to take it into the American context and connect it to what Paul was saying in Romans 13. So when Paul was talking about the sovereignty of, or the authority of kings, but who's the sovereign in America? It's not the leaders, we are. So it's very interesting that actually we the people, as the chartering documents, completely different than Thessalonica or the Middle east or any of the parts or Rome that was like, that was just a hereditary body. The leaders are just temporary in our system. We're actually the sovereign. So the leaders actually have to answer to us. So Romans 13 is actually more for the leaders than it is for the citizenry. And so it's Completely different. And a very simple reading of Romans 13 says, well, then we Christians should never get involved with challenging any levels of authority. Hold on is who's the authority that we are? They shouldn't ever get in the way of challenging us, the people that put them there. See how it's completely different. And so because as it says in the chartering documents of the United States Constitution, never does any leader have a sovereign right to authority. No leader has impenetrability be removed. Right. And so pastors with good intent use that piece of scripture, but it's a misapplication there. And so the other thing is this, which is how do you contest for these things? And so here's a really interesting thing is that I think one of the misapplications of one of the. Because they say, well, love other people how you want to be loved, right? Well, I know for me personally, if I was doing something unbiblical, I'd want to be removed from office. So this idea that love other people the way you want to be treated or treat other people, you want to be treated. I'm paraphrasing Matthew 5, right? But that's the essence of it. Somehow you must always be easy and soft on people. I don't necessarily find that to be true. In fact, first and foremost, if you use the Logos, the commitment to truth, you should never have an elected official you are anything but true towards. And if they're stepping out of line, imagine you and what would you want out of your people? You'd want to be told the truth from your citizens, right? And so this idea that, well, treat other people, you want to be treated. Okay, I think it's fair to say that you don't want to physically retaliate against them. I wouldn't want to be treated that way. I wouldn't want to be treated unfairly. So don't do that. But if that person stepping out of line, wouldn't you want to be called out for that? Of course you would. And so I think that's a very important thought exercise because we take that verse and we assume that means automatic and total softness with every person we interact with. I know for me personally, I prefer very firm delivered truths over passively delivered lies. I don't want to be treated that way. Do you guys want to be treated that way when people lie to you? Is that a good way to be treated when people just give you a pass for impropriety? Of course not. So I think that's a very interesting. Typically, most churches don't go that deep, unfortunately. In fact, I think it's a miss. I think it's a misreading of the scripture there. So next question. I'm happy to stay past 3:30, so
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this is not a question.
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Okay.
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My name is Susie Curtin. I want to say thank you for coming to Gillette.
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Thank you.
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I'm ecstatic that you're here. Supposed to be coming tonight. I don't know if I'm gonna make it so I popped in a little bit late. But I want to say thank you. I love what you're doing. You and Candace and Ben and all.
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Thank you.
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And I last but not least, I absolutely love, love, love my president and I stick up for him every opportunity. And just like you were quoting about Samson and I have a son that's 43 and you know, he's not a Trump lover and we have some pretty good debates. But you know, what can I say? I do support him and, and I love what you're doing. So thank you.
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Thank you. Appreciate it very much. Thank you. Other questions? Comments?
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Hi, my name is.
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What we doing?
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My name is Kale. I love listening to your podcast.
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Thank you.
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Your videos and all that. You know, I'm a also Bible believing Christian, pretty conservative. I just so I also like engaging with my like either atheist or very liberal Christian friends, you know, in talks and whatnot. And I was just wondering what you thought of. Like. Okay, like recently I've seen, okay, so this whole white privilege thing and I think you and I have obviously the same thoughts on that. But my question is I've seen some pretty good like points and I just want to know what your thought was. Like so for example, I've seen some of my friends post about so that I think it was like that swimmer from Stanford.
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Yeah.
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You know, he only went to jail for like three months or something. And then there's all these other stories of black people or whatever that are.
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Let's start with that one. So, so let's talk about it together. Let's work through this. Right. So it's Brock Turner, Stanford. Right. They use this as an example of white privilege. Why do you think he got off early?
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I think it's because it's all about money and his parents are probably really rich.
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I don't know. So let me, let's do this thought exercise. Do you think if LeBron James son was accused of that he'd have similar types of attorneys?
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Probably. I think it's a money issue.
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Right. Maybe it's a wealth privilege, not A skin color privilege.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so, like, that's. That's a really important one, right? Because they say Brock Turner, that's an example of white privilege. Hold on a second. Is it disgusting? He got off early, but let's look deeper. He had a platoon of attorneys that cost $3,000 an hour each that were filing motions and cross examinations that have known the judge for 30 years. Did he get that because he was white? Do you think that a kid from rural West Virginia whose family is a broken family and his dad might be addicted to opioids and they're earning $32,000 a year and the coal mine just got shut down? You think he can afford the same attorneys as Brock Turner? Or do you think LeBron James, who's worth $600 million and to sign another $100 million contract. You think a LeBron James kids got in trouble? You think that they'd have good representation. Oprah Winfrey's, you know, kids, if she had any, you know, or loved ones would be treated the same way. Do you think that Denzel Washington's kids would be treated that way? I'll call him Powell Condoleezza. And so they use that example commonly. And it has nothing to do with the kid's skin color. In fact, that's a racist reading into that story. Okay, what's the next one? Let's work through this. It's.
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So it kind of goes along the same lines.
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They
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oppose, like, okay, so Tamir Rice was a young kid that was, you know, fatally shot. They bring up a lot of cases where the black person was obviously innocent or whatever. And then they'll say, but look at the Aurora movie theater shooter, that Dylann roof or whatever, and the shot of the black church and all these white, you know, and I'm not saying I'm like, on the liberal side or anything. I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate a little bit to hear your point.
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Yeah.
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So I was just wondering they'll. What you thought, because they'll say, oh, all these white people shoot masses of people, but then they just get calmly arrested. And I just want to know what you're.
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I don't think that. I don't try not to say shooters names, but I don't think that the Columbine shooters and the Charleston shooters were calmly arrested. I think they were quickly killed in the instant of them doing it. And so. But then also it begs the question, why were they doing that? They weren't doing it by racial motivation. They were doing it because of Sick and twisted misinterpretation of first of all an undiagnosed mental health illness coupled with what I think an over push of psychiatric drugs and a third element of total complete social isolation and all that combined. So here's, here's the interesting thing though is that what they're trying to say though is oh, these people treat them differently than other people. If that was the case, if that was really the case then, and we just completely treated, you know, black deaths as tragedies as they are, then my goodness, last week in Chicago would be one of the greatest moral outrages in the history of our country. The 120 people shot, 40 people killed, and 2 kids under the age of 6 that were killed under the age of 10, 2 infants and toddlers. And so it also begs the question, so let's just look at statistics. Where are, who in America are actually committing the most amount of homicides? Despite being 14% of the population black individual, 6% being males, 58% of all homicides are committed by black men in America. Now the main reason is not because they're black. That's not what I'm saying. It's because 77% of black males are raised by the father in the home. So it's really two parent privilege. And here's a really interesting way to break it apart. Do you know what a lot of those school shooters had in common? They did not grow in a two parent household. In fact, they grew up alone. It's interesting. There's a direct correlation between the indulgence into violence and not having a father in the home. And I actually attribute a lot of this to the hyper feminization of America which has, which has created a culture where men completely abdicate authority, they withdraw from ever having to raise the child, the government comes in and women metaphorically marry the government instead of marrying a man. And so here's the way that you can debunk all this. Is that a white child who's raised by just a single mother, by the way, single mothers are heroes. I'm not diminishing them at all. I'm just talking about data and statistics and the ideal, especially the biblical ideal, or a black child raised by a mother and father, the black child is statistically far more likely to succeed in every single metric you can gather than a single mother individual raising a white child. So it's actually true parent privilege that we have in America that we should be talking about. When you all of a sudden break it apart racial lines and you go to Parent privilege, it goes absolutely upside down. Now certain cultures have a lot different disparities with, let's just say marriage rates than others. And there's a lot of different reasons for that. But was one of the point you wanted to make, was there one other one you wanted to digest?
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No, that was just kind of, that was pretty much.
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But let's like I'll summarize this. And so white privilege, the idea of white privilege and categorizing people on the melanin in their skin is the opposite of the Christian ethic. It's the opposite where we're all made in the image of God. You all have an independent journey that you must make, a salvation that you must have with Christ. Right? That your mother can't save you from your sin, that your grandfather can't save you from your sin. These are all Christian ideas, mind you, thousands of years ago, this was not believed. In fact, it was believed in Aztec or Incan or Egyptian culture. That your bloodline would dictate your future. That you would be banished for generations if you did something bad. That your kids and your grandkids and five generations later will have almost karmic blood guilt. It was the Christian idea and ethic that liberated you from all of that. It was like, no, no, no, it doesn't matter what your father did or good or bad. Like if your father's a good guy, he won't get you to heaven. Your father's a bad guy. That doesn't mean you have to go to hell. And so we built an entire civilization around this idea called America, that you could do whatever you want. It doesn't matter if your father's the worst person or the best person. What are you going to do? What decisions are you going to make, that your what preceded you is not your destiny. And you only have that because of the Bible, that great leap forward that we all take for granted. There was no guarantee that that was going to happen. You know why? Let's look at other countries that didn't happen. Go to India. In India, where you are born basically determines your future. And as Christianity spreads, you're actually starting to see that kind of disrupt. But in the Hindu culture, religiously, the caste system dictates the future. About 1.2 billion people, you are born in a certain caste. It's the way your fathers were. God put you in that way. Or what they believe is a Hindu gods, a polytheistic belief. You can't break out of it. Christianity rejects that. And that's actually why you see the most Christian conversions in India happening in what I believe they call the untouchables, which is the lowest class in India because they're like, what you're trying to tell me I can be something more than just what I've been for the last 10 generations. It's a message of hope and of optimism and faith and forgiveness. Everything the left is talking about is opposite of that. And so just kind of close the point on white privilege I highlighted, highly encourage every single person to reject it completely because I want to be a country that judges people on character and worldview, not skin color. Our descent back into thousands of year old tribalism is so incredibly regressive and also very dangerous for a society.
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I just had two quick more. First one is have you seen. It's a movie on Netflix. I have to finish it today.
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13th. No, I haven't. I've heard about it, but no, I haven't. I just wondered.
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Then my other question was. Slipped my mind.
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That's okay, I can close the point. We'll go to another question while we're handing off to atheism, because you mentioned atheism. You know, I have a lot of fun with atheists and by the way, atheism is the fastest growing religion in America. It's not Christianity. So more people are giving their lives to nothingness than to Christ. And it's because atheists are far more committed, they're more persuasive evangelists than we Christians are. I've been on more college campuses than you can imagine. The Christian groups kind of hide in their own little corner and they're afraid of the backlash and the controversy. The atheist groups scream from the rooftop, come with me and believe that nothing is nothing and we're all nothing together. And so I always have fun with them because I go up to them, I say, first of all, so why do you care? Like, I'm always very confused because why do you actually try to make converts? Because you guys got like 41 years and seven days left and we're all just dust particles. Go live it up, right? Like go indulge in your hedonistic worldview because for you it's just a maximization of your earthly happiness, right? So their commitment to making other people believe in nothingness is very perplexing to me. The second thing that really bothers them and just great talking point is without God there would be no atheists. Perfect opening shot, right? To try to tell them that without God you wouldn't have the ability to believe in nothing. And then Also, to go deeper is the most important question an atheist can answer. And I have some very viral videos around this that have gone millions and millions of views which just ask them the very simple question, do you hope you're wrong? Because a good truth seeking atheist should say, yes, I hope I'm wrong. If an atheist says no, I hope I'm right. That means they believe in something that's awful over something that might be true. And therefore most young people believe in atheism because it makes you into your own God. It's very appealing for a person that wants to drink what they want to drink, have whatever indulgence they want, anytime, at any place. The most important thing in the world that turns you into almost a deification of the individual, especially when you're 19 years old. It's very tempting. The reason why we're seeing all this happen in the culture, in the country is the church has not been bold enough to spread the gospel. In fact, we should be putting atheism on trial in our country. And young Christians are completely ill equipped in apologetics. They have no idea of the ontological arguments of for God, the idea of metaphysical arguments for God. And then guess what they go to, they go to campuses and they either don't believe in God at all or they end up becoming, you know, just kind of passive Christians and they deviate away from the church. So yeah, sure. And all this will be put on YouTube as well. So we'll happy to put all this up there.
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I think you just answered my question. I really appreciate that you do go to college campuses. I just had a conversation with a young woman who goes to a liberal arts college and engaged in one of the recent protests. And I think what my response was to her was that I don't. My belief system is such that I do not believe or change warrants or is justified by violence and destruction of property. And man, did she come back with this list of things that was like from a brochure or a professor or something. And my question would be how? You already just said it, I think. But how do you counteract that type of belief system that's being taught to our young people? Because it's been going on for years.
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Yeah, well, so first of all, the people that are advocating for violence, it's very interesting. In destruction, I always say destroy your house first, then go destroy somebody else's like that in order to be, in order to be morally and logically consistent. Once you burn your own house down, then fine, go burn someone else's Down. Okay? I mean, seriously. And by the way, I think this whole like, stay at home movement, it should apply especially to the arsonists because then they go destroy their, all their own homes. But then they use these ridiculous misapplications of history. They say, well, the best kind of change always comes with violent retaliation. So first of all, if you're talking about the Boston Tea Party, that was an act of war against the British Commonwealth. So if what you're doing right now, if you're admitting you're an act of war, I'll have the FBI visit you tomorrow and you're going to get arrested. Okay? So you can't have it both ways. You can't say this is a protest or it's an act of war. Right? Because if you are saying it's an act of war, you're going to end up with the full fury and wrath of the Department of Justice. Like, that's the first thing. The second thing is that's just not true. Look, Henry David Thoreau wrote the book Civil Disobedience and it is the best way to effectuate change is actually through civilly disobeying, taking the punishment, letters from Birmingham, jail, what Gandhi did. They don't want that. They're all cowards. They want to not go to jail, bailed out of that room with no responsibility. If you're an actual protester, if they really believed what they were doing, they'd be willing to serve whatever sentence was giving to them and then make a point out of it without ever retaliating against it. But that's not them. Instead, they want to be civil arsonists and burn down our entire, you know, country. It's what they're, they're on pace for. And then what's so amazing to me is that you have these political elites that don't even mention it, by the way, like, oh, it's whatever. It's kind of been a one off thing. You think that, you think that they're gonna stop like, you think they're gonna stop, like, think of this logically. You think they're gonna stop at the statue of George Washington, which by the way has been taken down in Portland and not going back up. You think they're gonna stop at the statute of Abraham Lincoln, which is going down in Boston and not going back up. And that should bother, like that, that alone should bother you. But now they're going after statues of Christ, they're going after burning down churches and people are like, well, we just got to get it out of their system. And their steam. First of all, anyone who believes in that doesn't understand how mobs work, doesn't understand how children work. And that's actually a really important point, is that if you actually look at what this is, it is the infantilization of America. It is a return back to hum. Something is better about being a child than being an adult. And the Romantics got this all wrong in the 1800s. And there's some stuff that they got right, but it's almost like, yes, the innocent of being able to destroy and flow through the world. You think I'm kidding? This is what they. If you send your kid to college, this is what they're going to learn. Just read Rousseau. He said, we can learn so much from children. They're perfect from birth. And we need to get our country. We need to get our civilizations back to that. No, seriously, this is what. And by the way, what I love about this whole thing is, oh, yeah, children are good from birth. Like, why do you have to teach them goodness? I mean, they're so good. Why do you have. This is the greatest way for young parents that believe this nonsense that are marching the Black Lives Matter stuff. And I've communicated with some of them. They say, well, my, you know, children are great, you know, from birth and blah, blah, blah. And I say, okay, well, you're a young parent. I say, you ever have a kid manipulate the mother and the father against each other? They say, oh, yeah, you teach them that? No. Where the heck did they get it from? Like, I mean, right? So that's a very simple example, right. Where they turn the mom against the dad. It's almost like manipulation is built into us as human beings. Sin is built into us as human beings. That's why I need redemption. Next question. Oh, okay.
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Harley. Hi, I'm Heidi Gross. Thanks for being here. I watch on Fox News all the time.
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Thank you.
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C
I probably have more of a comment than a question. I'm just wondering what. What your thoughts are about the Republican Party. They have been just, like, nowhere in the midst of all of this craziness the last two weeks. And it scares me to death because of everything that's going on in our country right now. And I feel like the blm, which, when I hear that, I always think Bureau of Land Management.
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So that tells you that's. Even though you're in the west, that's because I'm in the West.
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So it scares me so much to think of what the power that they seem to have right now. And of course they're in bed with the Democratic Party, and I'm wondering who is going to speak out. And I just feel like President Trump is the only one that is trying to do anything. And I'm just frustrated with where is the rest of the Republican Party on all of this.
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Yeah, I mean, look, one of the great things that's happening right now is it's bringing the worms to the surface. Right. And I'm a huge supporter of the president. I'm a constitutional conservative, so I'm obviously ideologically more inclined to support Republicans. But I've been saying for years that the Republican Party is absolutely the problem. And I mean, and people, ah, you don't know about that. And by the way, it's not like they can't fight. They fought during Kavanaugh, and God bless them for fighting during Kavanaugh. And by the way, that only exposed that they could do it. So we know it's in their fiber somewhere. Like what they did in Kavanaugh when Lindsey Graham started to get angry and Susan Collins was great. Like, where is that? Like, why are you guys not drawing the lines? By the way, the country's more important than a Supreme Court justice. Right. And so, look, I'm not going to say any names, but I have to be careful the way I say this. But just ask yourselves a question, like, why is the most conservative state with your lawmakers? Like, where are they? That's just a fair question. Right? I mean, our country is burning. Our kids are getting. I cannot communicate to you the cultural crisis that we're in. I mean, I just hosted an event with 3,300 kids. And I mean, they know what's coming. The kids get it. Actually, the students do, because they're interacting on social media. They see the people losing their jobs. They see the sports announcers losing their jobs because they say all lives matter. They're seeing the information flow that even the older generation isn't seeing as much. And if you want to see, like, the sense of urgency, go to the young people in this room even. And I'll tell you, like, this is not coming back. And like, I talked to some of these senators. I was saying names like, oh, no, this is gonna be okay. It's, you know, we're fighting. I'm like, like, okay, I hope you guys. I hope you guys are okay with the stance that you've taken. I'm not gonna say any names and all that. You guys can figure it out yourself. But yeah, I mean, look, we have Trump. We have a couple other people that are terrific. We have Tom Cotton, we have Matt Gaetz, but it's few and far between. Oh, my gosh. In fact, some of them think that this is gonna help them politically. Like, some of them are like, yeah, this is a good thing. Don't you see the poll numbers? And I'm like, yeah, they're actually not good. So, yeah, but look, I hope, I hope this is a wake up call for all you guys that do not put your trust in politicians. Oh, my gosh, that is a huge mistake. You guys are gonna be very, very underwhelmed by that. Put your trust in irrefutable, timeless truths and principles and advocate for them. And if certain parties can help, always. The Democrat Party is not even worth a conversation. Right. But yes, the answer is. I mean, does anyone else feel like the Republican Party's missed the mark the last couple weeks? I think that's a pretty fair estimation. And we're fighting out here alone. I mean, it was really interesting. We hosted the president this big event. We had four speakers on stage. And if you watch the video, I encourage you. These are 18 and 19 year olds that are like, so unbelievably. I'm gonna use a word you guys don't know. Based, like, they were so, like, they come up on stage, right? And the media couldn't believe it. And I saw that there were senators in the room and they were like, what? They're like, we're losing our country. Our generation's gonna burn it down to the ground if the party doesn't help. And there were two senators out in the room. I was like, you hear that? They're like, yeah, I don't really see it that way. I'm like, yeah, things must be great in the kingdom of Washington, dc. Can you bring some back of that wherever you are here? Because we're in the middle of a culture war and you guys are totally disconnected. So, yeah, put your. I mean, Trump's all. We got to be honest. Like, Trump versus the world. It really is. And could you imagine a country where they take down statues of Washington and Lincoln and the Republican Party is basically like issuing press releases? That's basically what they're doing. They're like, oh, yeah, that's a man. That's not in my DNA, right? So, I mean, people say, well, what are you supposed to do? How about this? You take down one statue, we're gonna put up two others. How about that? We are going to have a concerted campaign. If you get near a statue, we are gonna film your face. And submit it to local authorities and make sure you're arrested. We are going to sit outside of the homes of the people that finance and fund these things. Like, this is not in our DNA, right? Like we as conservatives, we're so decent. Like, I don't like it. It's like, well, okay, well then we're gonna lose our country. So it's that simple. And it's the younger generation that's the one that's like, you guys don't know what's, how bad it is. I can't say. I have it right here. One race, the human race, gets you expelled from the University of California system saying that, that there's only one race, the human race, that's considered racist. Showing up, flying an American flag in University of California Irvine gets you kicked off campus to hate. It's a simple hate speech. So yeah, I wish I could give you good news, but on that, but here's the good news, that there's a new generation. This last week, a friend of mine, 24 years old, paraplegic, super conservative guy, won a surprise primaries. The youngest member of Congress since the 1830s in western North Carolina. Madison Cawthorn, he's a friend of mine and he gets it. I'll tell you, this guy, this guy ran on regulated the tech companies, he ran on all the good stuff. And yeah, look, so people said, what's your hope? What's all this? First of all, we have optimism, we have truth, we have optimism. All this. But I think we need to really be honest that this was a huge missed opportunity. What bothers me the most is like, what a great time to teach Americans about America, right? Like, I sat down with senators last week, I won't say any names. And I walked them through this stuff. I'm like, why have you not mentioned that first state of ball slavery in 1777? Why do you not manage that? We were founded as an anti slavery party. All this sort of stuff like, well, I think it could come across as racist. I might lose my reelection. I'm like, that's the whole. Like you're afraid of being called mean names. And the most important thing for you is losing reelection. So next question. My man. Hey, all right, cool. So I have two kind of play off each other. But like you said a minute ago, ma', am, I was talking to a gal that were chatting with my own person, another part of the state. And she was saying that I asked her, you know, what are you going to do? Like depending the rioters and everything. And I said, well, what are we going to do if they come to your house? What if they burn your business in your home? And she said, as you know, I think, I mean, anybody could change and believe that as Christian. Pray for change for anybody. If my second question plays off that. But the. And you know, that's why I was talking to her. She said. She said, I have an obligation as a white person to let my house be burnt down for racial justice. I didn't even talk with someone like that. That's where prayer comes in, honestly. That's where, like, supernatural delivery is. And I do believe in that. Yeah, the Holy Spirit, go to work. Yeah. I mean, that's foolish. Beyond foolish. And here's the other thing. Is that what's so sick? And this is why I'm just so upset, because since when is like every white person that's ever existed in this country the problem? Like, I get it, that there's plenty of people in the south that did unspeakable sins. And. But let's be very clear. I'm gonna say this right now. Anyone who owns slaves today in America or even knows anyone that owns slaves that's okay with this should go to jail. Anyone. Okay, let's start there. How about anyone that knew anyone that owned slaves in America? No. Okay. The point being is this, is that we're so far generationally disconnected from this. But let's be even more specific. And people come up to me and they just from my own family history, right? My great uncle, seven generations removed, fought for the union cause in the North. Plenty of ancestors in America have that same connection. So it. There shouldn't be an apology. There should be like, oh, wow, like, thanks for fighting for what was good. Right. But by the way, here's the interesting thing. I'm not a good or bad person because of that, though. That's a very important point. I'm proud of it. But now I have to make my own life, regardless if someone seven generations before me was like, an awesome person or not an awesome person. You see, I'm saying, like, that's actually completely irrelevant to my life story, except for the fact that they are trying to judge me on blood guilt. Right. The second thing is this racial justice. So somehow there's an idea that destruction brings about good things, but always has made America different, is that we're a frontier nation, that when you build something new, that is something that is good. And so yet now we have this whole French Revolution mentality. It's very Robespierrean. Like, now is the Time to burn down the sins of a generation of past. Like, you got a lot of burning to do, man, because this country is actually pretty freaking awesome. Built by the people before you. And I mean this in the most unracial way imaginable, but we should be proud of what was built before us. Like, very proud of what was built before us. In fact, we should protect it. And this whole thing that we should be apologetic of people like there were 150 years. Like, no, like our ancestors sacrificed so much. Like, you know how hard it was to go west in the 1800s. You guys probably heard stories to homestead. That's not something that should be taken lightly. And again, you have to make your own life as a basis of that. But for someone to say something like that, I don't wish that their home to be burned, but if it was to be burned, their foolishness would probably warrant something like that. Again, I don't wish it upon that. So give another follow up on that. Yeah, it's sort of, I don't know, tangentially related, but you talked about like infiltration of churches and Marxist stuff came into churches and talking about people who changed. There's a woman, I don't know if you're Bella Dawes, but she was a, she was a woman. She was a communist organizer and she became a Catholic through Alice von Hilderend and Dietrich von Hildebrand. But anyway, she, after she converted, she, she said explicitly that, that she had, they were questioning, like, how can this stuff be happening in the church? It's so unchristian. What's going on in the church is very Marxist. And she kind of like would get silent. And then she said, well, when I was a communist, we like, we brought, we infiltrated the churches. We found young men, mostly atheists, often homosexuals, to infiltrate thousands of them, mostly South American seminaries, Southern Trail seminaries. And that's what led to a lot of the crisis in the Catholic Church. And Catholic Church is our biggest target. And then the liberal mainline budgets, in terms of softer targets, they fell way quicker and way easier. But the Catholic Church is the biggest target. We can see that today in the Catholic Church. And I think, I mean, just recently look, and I see a lot of it, a lot of churches in this country. And so I wonder what would be like your advice to. Especially the. Until very recently, to stop that. Well, so first of all, it starts with all of you. Remember, if you want to change the world, change everything you're doing in your own life. You know, live out the truth Never tell a lie. So let's. Instead of, let's blaming the institution, let's talk about what everyone in this room can do. The fact that this church has hosted me, this church is worthy of your support. I hope there's other churches like this in the area, but I put my full name behind. It's a big deal, really is. Because I know this is a little bit different of an area than most in the country. It's probably more conservative than not. But people say, well, Charlie, I'm really trying to change my pastor. And he worked their day. I'm like, well, where's the line? Right? Like, Black Lives Matter on their website says they want to destroy the Western prescribed nuclear family. It's on their website. They want to legalize sex work. They want to double the amount of abortions. They want to abolish police and abolish prisons. That's what your pastor is wearing to church. Probably inconsistent with like 7 out of 10 to 10 commandments in life. All of Matthew 5. Right, right. what point do you think that it's probably not good to be doing that? And the problem with the left is, I've got to give them credit, is their messaging is phenomenal because they picked a name of a movement that is in itself the name is true. Of course. Black Lives Matter. All lives matter. I mean, so they choose that. So therefore any disagreement would take a very. A much more sophisticated argument. Right. It'd be like the sort of the organization, let's talk about what they're going. But most unfortunately, the way conversation happens is it's like, oh, that's it. That's a statement. That's the summary of all of it. And that's too bad because. And they're phenomenal at being able to message in that way. And so the final point I'll say about churches in general is that you look at the money trail. You look at the Gospel Coalition, you look at George Soros, they're pumping in tens of millions of dollars funding Christians every single year. Christian pastors, funding churches, funding groups that are working to teach the gospel incorrectly. And so I highly encourage all of you guys to follow the money because a lot of Christian Inc. Out there is funded heavily by the left wing, some socialist, atheist, secular forces. And as I said before, this entity, the church was always the reason why we did not go the way of other socialist revolutions. Right. It was the church, because it was a weekly, if not bi weekly, if not daily gathering of moral believers that had a commitment to what was true. Therefore when something that was untrue came into the world, they would say, let's, let's work this out as a congregation. Right? Like, is it a good idea to follow someone like Lenin? Probably not. Right. And so the church was always kind of that foundation. Our country was founded on churches. Our revolution against the Britons was organized in the pews of churches. And then one of these other pernicious lies. How many of you have heard of separation of church and state? Right? You've heard of this. It's not in the Constitution anyway. It doesn't exist. It was a singular letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention. And it's even misinterpreted in the context of what he said. Thomas Jefferson had local churches performing ceremonies and musical performances in the building of the Supreme Court. The early founders were all Bible believing Christians and people say, well, they were deists. Okay, well you could be a Christian and also have started as a deist. There were different variations of Christians. But let's start with George Washington. He was a devout Bible carrying Anglican Christian. Abraham Lincoln read the Bible every single night before he went to bed. And he said it was the most instructive piece of literature that inspired him to eradicate slavery. Thaddeus Stevens, the absolute abolitionist in the 1860s and 70s, used the Bible as the main reason why he believed in the eradication, the abolition of slavery. And so it, the church and America have been so intertwined throughout. And then what happened in the 1960s and 70s? You had a hyper humanist secularization movement that came in where we got ripped prayer in schools, we legalized abortion and young kids said they wanted the sexual revolution. And you kind of can see where that led us. You know, 50% divorce rates, 55% fatherlessness rates in certain communities, 77% in the black community. And we're more miserable than ever before. Right. So you actually think to yourself, my goodness, has that made America more equitable and fair? And of course not. I mean, because why? Because we deviated from the Bible. Right. It's not that hard to figure out. And I always say if you choose to sin, you choose to suffer. Right. Like the rules aren't there to make sure you have an awful life. It's not like God told you not to lie because he hated you. And that's a very important thing to communicate to young audiences. I speak at youth groups and we always, not always, but most churches teach them in such a legalistic lens like you're going to burn eternally if you don't do These things. And that may or may not be true. And you. I don't think that's necessarily theologically true. However, what's a better way? Say, like, you understand if you violate these, you're going to be a miserable person. Like, if you follow the Ten Commandments, you're actually going to have more fulfillment, you're going to be more content, you're going to have more peace with yourself. And if you follow the teachings of Christ, you don't tell lies. It's actually a very helpful tool to live a good life. Right. If you honor your mother and father, if you. If you honor the true father. And I think we've gotten away from that in a lot of different ways, where we have allowed the culture to pose us as, if you follow these things, you're going to have an awful life. And again, that shouldn't be the only communication tool we have, because obviously there's a more important purpose to what we're doing. But I think that's also highly instructive and very important. So happy to answer other questions if you guys have them. So, yeah, there's one up here I can go to, like, 4 or 4. 15. So we'll post this whole thing on YouTube, which millions of people will be blessed by this, by the way. So my podcast is doing well. Praise God. Yeah. Well, hello. Thank you very much. We really do appreciate having you here. I never thought I'd see the likes of you in small towns, being in the middle of nowhere. My name is Joel Marquis, and I want to give you a little bit of hope. There are some of us, like myself, running for commissioner. Well, I hope you win. I don't know you, but I hope you well. I am a conservative Christian, and I really do appreciate your viewpoints on things. I'd say for the most part, I haven't heard you say a single thing I disagree with. But as somebody that is running for office, what would be your advice for reaching our audiences out there, for convincing them that this really is a war for our minds, for our culture, for our hearts? So I'm going to start fighting it. Now. I have a contrarian view on this, which I actually, I think that when you run for office, you should care more about saying things that are true than winning. And that's a very contrarian view that not everyone holds. I actually think that if you're only in the pursuit of electoral victory, that's the only thing you care about, which, of course, is why you're doing it. I'm not invalidating that. Then I think that it just defeats the process. And actually the ironic thing is if you really pursue truth and you really say things that are correct and factual and statistical based and rooted in logic, you're actually going to win. That's the funny thing. That's why Trump won. He's the first person that actually told us the truth for the first time in 40 years, right? We've been getting ripped off. D.C. is a swamp. They're all screwing us up. China's eating our lunch. People are like, this guy's actually telling us a brutal truth for the first time. You think about it, Trump in 2015, 2016, he wasn't actually trying to convince us that things were going well. And that's what was so interesting, is that you had these other politicians that were just all scripted. He's like, we've been ripped off. You guys sick of losing. Elect me, we actually might win again. I was like, wow, that's. I've never heard someone say that. There was. He was in a debate, he did something we were not used to. He was asked a question and he answered the question. Seriously. It was like, oh my gosh. No. It's like, usually this guy's like, according to my three 33 point plan that's been poll tested in all these states, I believe that we should have corporate tax cuts and all that. I'm so exhausted with that stuff. Are you guys. I'm just like so dumb with hearing about that. It's all the Democrats fault. And I just like, enough. And I think Trump right now is in some ways recalibrating. He's going to be terrific. He's going to come on a really good upward trajectory. And remember, all stories need arcs and troughs and valleys and the story is not yet written. Everyone says, oh, Trump has done like, yeah, sure, not so fast, my friends, we'll see. But I think what Trump also did so amazingly in 16 what you can do is he also captured the imagination of the American people, is that for the first time he actually made very big and bold promises that were tangible to us, that almost pushed our boundaries of what was possible. And he almost raised the tone level in the country where he's like, yeah, I'm going to bring back jobs from China. No one would ever say something like that, right? Instead they'd be like, we're going to attempt our best to bring manufacturing. You guys are going to win so much, you're going to be sick of it. What? Like, are you kidding me? Like, and he just said it over And I was sick of winning. Right. We're gonna build a wall. What? You could do that. Right. And by the way, he's done a lot of the things, almost everything he said he's gonna do, he's did. I think he's got to get back to that. I think he's got to get back to capturing our imagination again, because I actually think, as the country is such in this crisis moment and a very. A turn towards the positive and towards almost like we're going to go to Mars, we're going to do the Space Force. We're going to go. We've never gone before, I think is actually going to be more resonant than ever before against Biden, who's just there. So that's kind of my advice to you is just be. Obviously be very disciplined, but come from the outset that, like, I'm prepared to lose. And that sounds really weird, but like, once you surrender that truly, then you'll be on it. You'll be on a true pursuit of saying what is right and true. And then more technical things is outwork every one of your candidates. If do more events, do more fundraisers, do all that sort of stuff, knock on more doors, and you'll be richly rewarded for that. And so that's. I know it's kind of somewhat contrary, but. But I think that true victory is actually telling the truth, not just getting more votes than the other person.
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So.
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Yes, hello, sorry, my name is Jason Griffiths. I just want to say thank you so much for being here. People like you, Ben Carson, Candace Owens, keep me going because I'm like, okay, I'm not crazy. These are actually rational thoughts. So I stayed up all night. My wife can tell you I was all giddy when I saw you on the billboard. I was like, charlie, are you serious? Are you serious? I freaked out. And so thank you very much. Very kind of you touched on most things. But I did want to ask. There's two things I wasn't too sure of and I wanted to make sure. Most things I search out for the truth. One is, is BLM a Marxist movement? And number two, is George Soros really funding things? Yeah. So Bureau of Land Management is absolutely a Marxist, by the way, the west should be giving their land back. I think Trump should run on that. I think we win through every single election.
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You're in Wyoming. You can say that.
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Huh?
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You're in Wyoming, you can say that. We all feel the same, right?
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I've got accident on. I say it all the time. I think Trump should Run on it. I think Steve Daines would win because of it. I think he could win Nevada, and I think he'd win Arizona because the federal government land grabs. And they're buying more, by the way. They're buying more. It's like, unbelievable. We don't even have states rights out here. It's mostly just federal lands that are protected by the federal government. And I think it's a huge issue. So. I'm kidding. Yes. So BLM is a Marxist movement. It's also a postmodernist movement. It's rooted in ideas that were perfected in the French Revolution and other communist revolutions, which is to pit people against each other on the most tribal lines. And they found in America that they could do that in skin color. And that's a very. And so that's. They're. They're trying to. They're trying to make us. They're trying to destroy the American idea of e pluribus unum, which is on all of our currency, which is Latin for out of many, one there. Instead of trying to divide and conquer. And look, the Marxists, they went through many. And for those that don't know, when I say Marxists, it's Karl Marx or the Communist Party manifesto, mid-1800s literature. He was inspired heavily by Rosso and Hegel, who wrote the Hegelian Dialectic. One of the most disastrous destructive thinkers ever, who actually could. The only person who could be pinned for both the tragedies of the Soviet Union and of the Nazis. Interesting enough. However, the interesting thing is this, is that the 1960s, they went through kind of a rebranding, and we're now experiencing the rebranding of the Marxists. So the Marxist struggle was always like, okay, it's the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, right? It's like the working class versus the rich people. But they realized because of markets and because of hard working people, specifically Americans, that kind of message was not resonating as much. It was like, okay, yeah, sure, Marxism. So instead they tried something different. They went through a complete and total philosophical rebranding. And you could blame a guy by the name of Jacques Derrida because of this. And he was the guy that has influenced your children more than any other thinker. French. All bad ideas come from France. They're experts at making sure we learn foolishness. And that they were. Where do they want to spread their foolishness? They came to America, so he came to Yale, and it spread like wildfire. And it's this idea called postmodernism. Here's how postmodernism works. First, the first belief of postmodernism is there is no such thing as absolute truth. There's no such thing as truth. You have nothing but your own truth. So everyone has a different truth. Now, what they said was not at the output of their first observation was not necessarily incorrect, but the second deviation was incorrect. So it came from this idea of frame theory, right? So, like, you look at this water bottle, and there might be a billion different things. This could be. This could be a water bottle. It could be a weapon. It could be a toy. Okay? So that's more semantics, though, than anything else, right? There's really only one true usage of this, which is to deliver water to me, right? And so. But what they were trying to first and foremost do is invalidate the Bible, right? They're trying to invalidate the teachings of Christ and all the great works of Western literature where they're like, well, no, the true story of Christ is not. Is not that it was someone that was trying to save the world. The true story is that Christ should have fought back or something like that, right? So all of a sudden, what? No, that's not. That's not the story at all. So you kind of see, all of a sudden they're trying to invalidate everything that we built our society around. What they were really doing is they were liberating young people to believe things that were their own truth. And this idea of like, well, you're the most important thing in the world, so you must believe whatever you want to believe. And so what they did is they went to this rebranding and said, okay, instead of the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, it'll be oppressor versus oppressed. That's like their new paradigm, right? So it'll be the people that are oppressed versus the oppressor. And the oppressed people are black and people of color and white people are the oppressors. That's where they came up with the idea of white privilege and white fragility. It's nothing more than a tactic. They don't actually believe this, okay? Some do, some don't. The architects of the chaos don't. And so now that now we're living this out, right? So they actually believe that they can fundamentally destroy the society. Now, I'm sure a lot of you are saying this right now, but what do they want? Like, what is their goal? Right? How many people are probably thinking like, oh, my goodness, what is their. Well, first of all, don't assume they have one that's the first and fourth. Some people just like to watch the world burn. That's a very important thing. Quote from one of my favorite movies, and it's unbelievably true. Some people love. They get. They get a sense of meaning in the arson around them. They miss their calling as pyrotechnics. Okay? And they. I'm kidding, of course. But they're societal and civilizational arsonists. And because they have so much resentment, they have so much self hatred and self loathing, and they're missing the true truth of surrendering themselves to a higher power. Their only sense of meaning is to make sure other people suffer around them. It's that old thing we say all the time, Misery loves company, right? We say that all the time. And that's actually what you're seeing now as it spreads and this resentful revolution. And so then now you're seeing it play out. You're seeing an entire generation that has grown up with none of the struggles that the civil that the generations before had them, right? Young people today have it better than any other generation in American history. They're generally provided for food wise, medically, housing. There's of course, exceptions to all this. But 99.8% of Americans, young people generally able to get the food they need to survive, they have the medicine they need to be able to get to their teens. Right? Like we don't have infant mortality rates that are concerning. You guys don't get what I'm saying. So because of that, all of a sudden, they take that for granted. They're not taught the sacrifices before them that were made. And it creates an incredibly resentful generation. And so what they teach young people in particular, and you guys have probably experienced this is where real meaning comes from. Responsibility, right? Responsibility to God, responsibility to Christ, responsibility, your family, responsibility to your job. We've taught young people that just doing whatever you want, want gives you meaning. Now that's an awful way to live. Okay? That's where you get this, right? So you get really unhappy people by the time they're 23 years old because they've tried every substance under the sun. They've done everything you could possibly indulge in, and they're wondering why they're still miserable, right? And so then they want to burn the world down and it creates perfect little, little activist revolutionaries. Final thing about George Soros that you asked. Yeah, he's heavily involved in all this. We have a huge, there's huge projects and research projects have been Done that there's multi billion dollar funding streams that are going to destroy our country from within. From the Iranians, from the Middle east, from the Chinese, that we're helping fund a lot of this disarray and chaos. And isn't it convenient that right after a virus that kills over 100,000 people and locks down our country and causes 30 million people out of work and anywhere between 30 to 40,000 people committed suicide, we don't know the number yet because they haven't come in. The lockdowns were not without price. We have to understand that. It wasn't like you could just turn a switch off and all of a sudden the virus disappears and then hubris it takes to think that we can stop a virus as human beings. I just, I just like really like we can control this thing. It's like everyone playing God. It's unbelievably dangerous. And we saw the results of that. But also, but the person, the reason all that happened is because China lied. And I think China is an incredibly dangerous, malevolent, sinister, atheistic regime that we must take more seriously. But many of them have purchased our political leaders and you know, the leaders in our political elite, as soon as we're starting to get serious about hold them accountable, all of a sudden we have like a racial revolution in our country, right? And there is a lot of evidence that's coming up that the Chinese Communist Party has been funding these revolutionary groups. And if you look at the videos online, you see that the activists are walking down the streets and all of a sudden they pull down a couple things and there's a nicely delivered bricks for them to be able to destroy. You saw these videos. Incredible. If you haven't seen these videos, it's unbelievable. It's like perfectly placed all throughout the inner cities of exactly what was needed. And so yeah, look, there's, what we have is a true insurrection right now. It really is. Now what's interesting though and why I think that they're going to hit a plateau at some point and it's not to say they're not going to win because I don't think they will, is that they're the first, they're the first inter civilizational insurrection that is against the country they're trying to take over. It's very strange. So for example, like the Russian revolution, they were very pro Russian, right? They were like, we are the true Russians are not the Tsars. We have the flag represent us the Cuban revolution, Fidel the same way, Chinese the same way. These people are Saying we hate the country now. Give us power. Like, wait a second. What? It's never happened before. We're trying to. The people try to take over the country, say they hate the country. Usually they'll at least be a little bit more deceitful and a little bit more deceptive before they try to take over the country. Like, you're burning the flag and now you want to represent the flag. Like, this is where we're at now. But I mean, what's happened is amazing. And we've fallen. Somebody said this is. We've fallen hypnotized by the trappings of Western luxury. Right. Is that we have things so good that we just filed complacent where you have leaders like Ilhan Omar and Alexandria Kaiser Cortez and Ayanna Pressley that are bitter anti Americans and anti Western individuals that just get blended into mainstream American politics as if they should be taken seriously. And no, I mean, they want a very, very, very fundamentally revolutionized America, and it's not anywhere close to what is true or good. And so, yeah, I think that that summarizes that question rather well. So at least completely. Any other questions you guys have? Did I run the gauntlet? So, a couple things in closing, if you guys want to hear more. I have a completely different speech prepared for my Republican speech, so I don't know if you guys are hearing that, but I'm doing something at the local gop. I enjoy this more because this has to be more philosophical and more religious politics stuff is. It doesn't bore me, but it's like, okay, great. You know, I think what's going on is so much deeper than just like right versus left. And that's not saying it's not important. Like, I'm involved in it every day. It just kind of. It's not as critical. I think that's probably the best way to word it. So if you guys want to check out that speech, it's. It's in a couple hours, I think, at the Camp Lex, if you guys want to come by to that. So I have a couple asks out of you guys. Number one, I barely touched into the cartel of the colleges, which is the most disastrous, insidious force and our most. One of the most. That is create the next generation of activists where we have a generation of young people borrowing money they don't have to study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist, to go learn from people that hate our country so they too can become bitter revolutionaries within a country that has given them so much. And so I highly encourage you a couple things. Be very careful and prayerful before you send a kid off to college. Ask that kid why are you going to college? Not where are you going to college. Four year college is not needed to succeed in our country. All you need to have is good character and outwork the person next to you and you'll be able to succeed in our country. This idea that you need a certificate that you need to go to college to be able to succeed in certain trades and professions, it's nice, it's a nice little add on. It's an accreditation more than an education. Very, very important to make that clear. I never went to college and I try to be a testament and give people the confidence that you to do that you need to go to college to hopefully be able to succeed in this country. That also kind of goes to extrapolate that for parents, for parents out there that are just pushing your kids to college. This state is less than other states. I have to give the state credit. You guys have a really heavy emphasis on the trades, on the local. So I'm going to give this Wyoming credit for that. You guys have done a great job. But this part of the speech is more focused on people listening in the future. Because a lot of the reason why kids go to college is not because of them. It's because the parents to need. They could never imagine their kid not going to college. They don't want to be able to look at their parents in the eye and say yeah, my, you know, their neighbors in the eyes and say yeah, my kid didn't go to college and I'm okay with that. It's like an unspeakable sentence in some communities across America. So what you have is a cartel of colleges that are charging money that more money than ever before that's not worth the price that they're paying. And the kids are going 60, 70, 80, $100,000 in debt with very little skills to show for it. I make an argument that an 18 year old in high school is far more mature than a senior in high school. In fact, college actually infantilizes children. It allows you to indulge into the worst aspects of human society with very little parental guidance or supervision, very little expectations given out of high college. Because there's kids that rise above it. Of course there are. But generally they're allowed almost complete and total utility to believe nonsense and to act in nonsensical, foolish ways. So people say what can I do about it? Highly encourage Gap years. I really. I think a gap year for young men in particular is a very important good thing to do. I also say there's nothing wrong with community colleges. I think we need more welders and plumbers, electricians, H Vac, people that know how to code and do things that are applicable and far less people that know, you know, I don't know, 16th century Lesbian poetry or something, whatever they teach in the schools nowadays. Some sort of backwards stuff. And so that's one thing. Another thing is I don't imagine a single audience has a lot of people like this, but please do not give money to your alma mater unless you went to Hillsdale or Liberty University. The colleges don't need their money. They're overfunded. They're sitting on huge diamonds. They've overextended themselves. Let them go through some form of reckoning process. Have them have to lay off staff. Have them have to actually go through some sort of thinning process. It'll be very healthy for them. Okay. They're going to go on huge capital drives. They're going to ask you for money. Please support the school. Say, you know what? I think it's about time you guys start to downsize bit. Go more virtual, get rid of the brick and mortar. Every part of society, including Turning Point usa, has had gone through rough times these last couple months. Colleges should not be immune to that. They shouldn't get a bailout. They shouldn't. I know University of Wyoming's really close to a lot of people, but I'll tell you, we hosted Dennis Prager there last year, year and a half ago, one of the most venomous receptions that we've ever. Turning Point USA later. It was unbelievably awful. I would have thought we were at Brown University. It was unbelievably bad. So I encourage you guys to know, think critically about how we fund higher education, how we interact with it. And so you want to say one thing before I close up?
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Yeah. Are you familiar with Summit?
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Yeah. Are they the Apologetics out of Colorado?
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Yes, out of Colorado Springs.
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Yeah. They're terrific.
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We actually sponsor our seniors that, that are getting ready to go to college. We, we help scholarships. So good to go there. And a lot of people, people don't know about it. And it is, I think, probably one of the best worldview and apologetics preparation courses that there is.
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I totally agree. And I didn't know about it until a couple months ago, and I kind of gave them a hard time, like, you guys should have been calling Me a long time ago. You know what I mean? Like, I'm contesting for this stuff every day. Like, I. I found them by accident on YouTube and I was so blown away. William Lane Craig, we talked about talks there and Rabbi Zachariah used to do stuff there. And young people would be so blessed by those teachings. And so I'm highly supportive of that. So do you have another thing?
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I was just saying that every senior that we have sent to that has either gone into the ministry or is doing a productive work outside of the church in either teaching or different things. I mean, it literally has a. An impact on their life if they've got a good foundational teaching for the church that can be built on and it gives them the tools to. They understand what's coming at them. So they're not shocked.
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Yes.
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I don't think the church does a good enough job at teaching them what they're going to go into.
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That's right.
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When they get to college.
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Right. And so I completely agree. And I mean, you give me a high school Christian that doesn't know their stuff. I plain devil's advocate can make them doubt their whole faith in 10 minutes or less. I would never do something like that. I just know how they do it so well. Right. And so I think that. And I wasn't even equipped with Christian apologetics until I fell backwards in a Lee Strobel. Right. Until I. And that was the church. Your church does a great job based on what you just said. But generally the church does not do a problem. I think a really good job of equipping Christians in that sense. So that's my message on college. So just please pray on that and think about that then. Also, I'm a huge advocate. I tweet all the time. We have to double the American homeschooling population in the next five years. It's one of our last saving graces. We have to get more serious about homeschooling. Help homeschoolers assist them. It's expensive, it's hard, it's time consuming. I get. It's one of the last saving graces. We're one of the only countries in the world that has a massive homeschooling population. Truly, it's incredible. Most countries are just like flummoxed by the idea that parents would become teachers. Like, why wouldn't the state do such a thing like that? And so I'm a huge advocate of homeschooling. If we can double homeschooling population in five years, I think it'll be one of the saving graces in our country. I really do against what they're trying to do through government run schools. So I know this state has actually one of the highest per capita homeschooling rates in the entire country. And that's why I think you guys are so believing in truth in this state. You guys do a lot of good stuff there and then demand more out of your elected officials. Guys, please. They can't take you for granted. They gotta be fighters. This is the most conservative state in the country, right? Statistically, it just is. Every election shows it, every registration shows it. You guys should have firebrands in Congress. You guys should be blowing the roof off the place, right? And so I encourage you guys to insist that amongst your people. So it's been a great blessing to be here. This is a great church. I don't know if this is your church or not, but. But it's worthy of your support because it's true. Every church needs to be involved in the public square right now. So God bless you guys, it's been great. So thank you.