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Hey, everybody. Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, January 6th is looming. We go through the precedent, we go through the history and what Vice President Mike Pence can do. Also, we go through this bizarre prayer that happened on the floor of the House of the Representatives. Ah, men and ah, woman. And finally, should you vote in the Georgia runoff? Quick answer. Yes. If you like what you hear and you want to get behind what we're doing, you say, charlie, I love your show. I listen to it every day when I drive to work or when I walk the dogs or whatever you do. And you want to get behind what we're doing and help our production team expand and really help get behind us. Go to charliekirk.com support Become a Supporter of the Charlie Kirk show right now@charliekirk.com support and this episode is brought to you by our friends at Express vpn. If you want to protect against big government, Big Brother and big tech, go to expressvpn.com Charlie, get that VPN on right now. I have it on my phone and it really protects your devices beautifully. Expressvpn.com Charlie, email us your questions freedomarliekirk.com January 6th is looming. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
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Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. What a week we have in store here. And as we start this new year, we are going to be right here going into the wee hours of the evening for the Georgia runoff on the January 6th fight and so much more this week is going to determine the future of our republic. It's that simple. So breaking over the weekend, there is some surprise news. Over the weekend, 12 United States senators, in addition to Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri, have come out and said they are going to object to the Electoral College votes. Now what does that mean? As we have walked through in great detail on our podcast, I encourage all of you to take out your phones and type in the Charlie Kirk show podcast. And if you really want to dive deep into the history, into the background, into the constitutional foundation of what we're talking about, Here we have done hours of podcasts going into this, but on January 6th, it all comes together. January 6th is the most important, the final date, the constitutional date. A lot of these other dates are kind of suggestions. They're statutory. This is constitutional. So on January six, the results of the Electoral College will literally and physically be brought in big boxes to Congress. The President of the Senate, who is the Vice President of the United States, Mike Pence, will oversee the counting. The Constitution clearly states that the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Congress, count the votes. Now, congressional statute allows objections to be made. If a member of the House and the member of the Senate both object in writing to a certain state's electoral results, they will break into their own separate chambers, listen to arguments for no more than two hours. Now, whether it's two hours per objection or not remains to be seen. We're not sure. There's differing opinions, but it's really up to Mike Pence. They will vote on the objection and they'll come back and present their findings to the President of the Senate, Mike Pence. Now, there are 435 members of the House of Representatives and there are a hundred senators. Obviously the list is growing of senators that are objecting. This is the first time that we are seeing a group this large object to presidential results from the Electoral College. Now, let's read off the good guys, because I think we give a lot of tough love to Republicans at times and we're going to do that later in the show. Just ask me about Raffensperger and we'll get into that. But when Republicans show courage, when they show spine, the good guys deserve to be recognized. These are senators that have pledged to support an objection on January 6th. Steve Danes, a friend of mine, we helped him a lot at Turning Point Action. Ted Cruz, another friend of mine, a good American, Josh Hawley. He's got a great future ahead of him. James Inhofe from Oklahoma, a good man. Ron Johnson, another good man. Been a guest on the Charlie Kirk show podcast. John Kennedy from Louisiana, he's always fun. Roger Marshall from Kansas, newly minted Senator James Lankford from Oklahoma, Pleasantly surprised to see him, I have to say. Cynthia Lummis from Wyoming, another friend of mine, a new senator. She used to be a congresswoman. Good for her. Marsha Blackburn. Mike Braun, who we have given, I think, a good amount of criticism towards this. Last year he complimented the terrorist organization BLM Incorporated. But now he's doing the right thing on this. Good for you, Mike Braun. Thank you for taking a stand for our country and Tommy Tuberville. That's the list. So that's 12 now, courage deserves to be recognized. So that's what we're doing. In addition, the rumor mill is telling us that over 180 members of the House of Representatives will object. Now, if you have six states that are in question, Nevada, Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Six states and two hours per objection for both houses. Could be upwards of 24 hours of debate. It's about to be a circus. And guess what? We're gonna be here for all of it on the Charlie Kirk show live stream. Every debate, every objection. We are gonna be covering it live. We are at Turning Point Action helping with the big event in Washington. One of the reasons we're not going is because I want to kind of quarterback and see and analyze and communicate to all of you exactly what is going to be happening on January 6th. And so these objections are promising, but they're not enough. Where is John Barrasso? Where is Roy Blunt? John Boozman? I was going to say where is Cory Booker? Because I'm reading the entire roster. I think it's fair to say Cory Booker is not going to object to this. Where is Richard Burr? Probably insider trading. Shelley Moore. Capito. Probably asking for our support so she can get reelected. Mitch McConnell. Nowhere to be found. Jerry Moran from Kansas. Nowhere to be found. Lisa Murkowski. Might as well be a Democrat. Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham goes out and asks for all of our support and all of our backing. Nowhere to be found. Chuck Grassley. I think Chuck's gonna come around. I think he's gonna surprise us. I have a soft spot for Chuck Grassley. Bill Haggerty has supported. Good for him. There's so many bad US Senators. I'm reading this list. It's so depressing for the future of our republic. John Hovin from North Dakota. Mia. Cindy Hyde Smith. Really glad she asked for all the President's support in her runoff in Mississippi. Nowhere to be found. Isn't it funny how all these establishment senators, they want the MAGA support, they need the Trump support, but he needs them to object to polluted and poisoned election results. Mia. Remember that, everybody. Bill Cassidy. Mia. Susan Collins wouldn't expect anything from her. John Cornyn. Really glad that we all stepped up and helped him. Tom Cotton. I'm going to get to in a second because he has a thoughtful dissent that I completely disagree with. Kevin Kramer. Really glad we helped him out. Mike Crapo. I met him over the summer. I hope he does the right thing here. I think he might. Joni Ernst yeah. Really glad we all rallied for Joanie in Iowa. That's gonna be really helpful. Deb Fisher Waste of time. Marco Rubio. I think Marco might come around. I actually think Marco might come around. I'm gonna hold out for that. Ben Sasse Forget it. Rick Scott Tim I'm gonna keep going through the roster because I think it's important we go name by name of every US Senator that has courage or for whatever reason doesn't want to fight right now. Rob Portman, not supporting the objection to the Electoral College. I am going to tell you my least favorite argument as soon as I get through this whole list because every person needs to be named. By the way, I just we got an email here@freedomarliekirk.com youm guys can email us anytime. I'll try to look at them during the break. Some of Charlie, you're not naming the Democrats. Why I would be repeating myself by just naming Democrats to not object. We know it's complete uniform that they're not. They're not even going to entertain this. Senator Risch from Idaho, nowhere to be found. Senator Mitt Romney. Ha. That's a surprise. Senator Mike Rounds from South Dakota. Senator Rand Paul, a good friend of mine, has yet to object and I am putting an asterisk by his name because both Tom Cotton and Rand Paul have, I think, thoughtful reasons. I disagree with them on this. Rand Paul actually hasn't said whether or not he'll do it. I understand where Senator Paul's thinking is here. And Senator Paul has had our country, our constitution and our president's back. And so Senator Paul is not on my list of criticism. He's been phenomenally courageous. Richard Shelby, though, nowhere to be found. Mia Dan Sullivan. We went and helped him out in Alaska. John Thune, Mia Thom Tillis. Do you think all those Trump voters would have come out of the hills and come out of the rivers and come out of the valleys? Would they know that Thom Tillis would not have the president's back when it matters to Pat Toomey resigning soon. Tommy Tuberville is objecting. Good for him. Roger Wicker, nowhere to be found. And then Todd Young from Indiana. M I A so there are 12 senators. We anticipate about 180 House members, including Congressman Kevin McCarthy, who is leading the charge and is in favor of the objection. Kevin McCarthy is a friend of mine and I have to say thank you, Kevin, for doing that. He deserves credit for that. And I can say that Congressman Kevin McCarthy signaling that support is a sea change difference from Paul Ryan. And John Boehner deserves credit for that. Now, my least favorite argument when I go through this list and I've talked, I've spoke to some senators and I'm going to get into Ben Sasse, Tom Cotton, and with it Senator Rand Paul's argument. And Rand Paul's argument is a little bit different, but Sasse and Cotton and Tom Cotton's a friend of mine. So I have to preface by saying that I'm gonna. And he's been phenomenal on the blm, phenomenal on the statues, he's been phenomenal on all of it. But I want to dive into his argument because I just don't agree with it. I think it's wrong. So. But I put Cotton and Rand Paul in a different category. Here's why. It's not like they're afraid of a fight. They have fought on every single front. I just think they have a philosophical difference here. Ben Sasse on the other side. We'll get into that. But the argument that I can't stand that is privately being circulated amongst many members of Congress is, well, this is going to fail. If you judge the likelihood of success as to whether or not you fight, then you are not actually fighting. You are wagering, you are waging and hedging your involvement based on the probability of success. Fighting and contesting for truth should happen irrespective of whether or not you think the odds are in your favor, especially when the stakes are this high. So a week ago, just to give you an idea, a week ago we had zero publicly announced senators. I think maybe Hawley was a week ago. I think it was five or six days ago. The point is this. Ten days ago on Christmas, there were zero publicly declared senators that were supporting an objection. The Electoral college results. My friend Congressman Madison Cawthorn, the youngest elected member ever to the US House of Representatives, who is now officially a congressman as of yesterday, announced that he was going to object at our Turning Point USA Student Action Summit. He was ridiculed, lamblasted, attacked, slandered. That he actually led the charge in a variety of different ways on this. And Congressman Madison Cawthorn deserves a lot of credit for that. Same with my friend Congressman Matt Gaetz. They objected early. And now you can see how this has grown. But 12 senators is not going to be enough. It's not. And we're going to dive into the three possible outcomes of what can happen on January 6th and what power Pence has. Look, it's not often you get a gift for yourself. But I need to tell you about something that you gotta buy. 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We're going to tell it to you straight constitutionally and we're going to go right into this through with historical context in a way that many other programs are kind of tap dancing around. What's happening. Let me begin by saying these three outcomes have separate consequences and arguments behind them. I don't love the place that we're in right now. Let me make this very clear. I do not believe that our founding fathers wanted at it as a default mechanism, a parliamentarian body to decide US presidential elections with regularity. For example, in Britain, the way that they appoint leaders is through a parliament. It'd be no different than choosing a Speaker of the House. So Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House again for another term yesterday. Barely. That's how they want presidential elections to work. That's how Boris Johnson is put into power. That's how a lot of Europe works. The founders never designed a system like that. They wanted a state based system and as a firewall against election misfires, they wanted a process to be able to remedy election fraud issues, irregularities and elections becoming overly political in the tabulation of votes. So let me say this again. I don't love where we are, but that is completely irrelevant to where we are. How many times in life are you in a place or a position that you say, well I don't really want to be in this position. Tough. We're here, so let's deal with it. Only a couple times in American history have elections gone to Congress for final certification. That's not the best way to word it. They've gone for. They always go for final certification, but they go in contention for certification. That's a better way to word it. The election of 1800, where Thomas Jefferson himself was running for the presidency. He was the Vice President of the United States and Georgia of all states was hotly contested. He decided as the President of the Senate, the Vice President of the United States, to put the Georgia votes in. In his category. He was running up against John Jay and other kind of founding fathers. This was the big leagues of American politics. These were guys that literally started the country. Want to talk about some egos? I mean, they started the country. Thomas Jefferson put it in his category. He ended up becoming the third President of the United States on Mount Rushmore and well known as the father of the Declaration, University of Virginia, and many of the foundational ideas of our country. In 1876, we are in a Reconstruction phase. The country was divided. Post Civil War. President Hayes was running up against Samuel Tilden, a Democrat. The Electoral College results was I believe, 245 to 244. It was just one that separated the results. They go to Congress, they couldn't get a decision. The House and the Senate could not agree on certification. The Senate was Republican, the House was Democrat. And a great bargain and compromise ensued which resulted in President Hayes, a Republican, becoming President. But Reconstruction stopping in the South. In 1960, Vice President Richard Nixon was running against JFK, John Fitzgerald Kennedy for the presidency. Hawaii had widespread election fraud. JFK was called the winner on election night. The electors were sent to go support Nixon. But Nixon, because of public pressure and because of a mass media campaign, decided in his own words to put country above party. And unilaterally as the President of the Senate, took the results and did not put them in his category, but put them in JFK's category. Now that was not a breaking point for the election. Other states that were heavily Catholic, such as New Jersey and Illinois, were the real reason why JFK won in 1960. And he won because of voter fraud, specifically in Chicago. So there are three potential outcomes. Number one, the objections in Congress in the next 48 hours. Gain enough steam in the United States Senate that 50 objections can be found and there's a gridlock and a kind of political paralysis that sets in. And no winner is able to be certified via Congress. This would trigger an 1876 scenario. This would trigger a Hayes vs. Tilden tug of war. What then would happen is constitutionally, it would go to the House of Representatives. The House of Representatives. Each state gets one vote. If every state voted in their partisan makeup, there are three more states that are majority Republican than Democrat and Trump would serve a second term. That is if we can find 50 United States senators to object to the results of at least three of the six contested states. We've gone through the whole list. There are 12 that have the courage and the clarity to. To speak out. You need 50. We're short 38. I'm going to tell you something that is true, but sad. It is incredibly unlikely, and I will say almost impossible, that 50 United States senators will object to at least three states on January 6th. I wish that was not the case. But unlike other channels and programs that are in the business of getting your hopes up so that you can keep on revisiting them, I'm not going to lie to you, it is unlikely that the United States Senate is going to have 50 votes to object. However, that doesn't mean it's over. So the first scenario is that the objections work. Unlikely. The second scenario, which is controversial but constitutional, is Mike Pence, Vice President of the United States. A friend of mine, the Honorable Mike Pence, listens to the objections, grants two hours per objection, which if that is technically true, again, there's a lot of debate there. If there are 180 House objections and two hours per objection, that's 360 hours of objections. But Biden would never get sworn in. I don't think that's gonna be the case. I think they're gonna be granted two hours per state objection, and we're gonna be covering all of this live, as it happens. So our YouTube channel, our radio show, our podcast is the place to be. Other networks are not going to cover it. We will in real time. And we are actually going to name the names. We are going to go roll call on the US Senate and tell you who votes, who objects, who abstains, and who runs to the hills. We're going to do that. But let's say that you have the objections and they fail. This is the third outcome. I'll tell you the second outcome in just a second here. And they fail. Despite what the media and certain weak, intellectually compromised constitutional scholars are telling you, Mike Pence does not have to accept the results of polluted and poisoned electors. He does not. Richard Nixon showed this in 1960, the Electoral Count act of 1887 said that the Congress approved the Electoral Count act after an epic battle from the disputed election of 1876, President Hayes versus Samuel Tilden. But the Electoral Count act, alongside the 12th Amendment, sets the grounds ground rules for how Congress operates during the joint session of Congress to certify the winner of the Electoral College. Probably unconstitutional. And that's why Louie Gohmert sued. But our courts are completely compromised. Our courts want nothing to do with this. So the final outcome can be this. Believe it or not, there is a almost guaranteed way that Donald Trump serves four more years. It's this simple. Mike Pence listens to the objections, he listens to the claims and the complaints, and he says, based on the power and the authority granted to me as President of the United States Senate and my oath to the Constitution of the United States, I refuse to certify at this very moment the election results of Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Therefore, no person, no candidate has reached the 270 majority threshold. And the United States House of Representatives shall decide this election. Gavel out. That's it. He doesn't have to grant the electors to Trump. I actually wouldn't support that. I think that would be a power leap. All Pence has to do is reject electors from states that are compromised. Some people say that's not constitutional. Then try it. Make them sue and get the Supreme Court into action. Because we have precedent that a vice president can reject state electors. Mike Pence has the power. And so he's going to be given two envelopes for Arizona. Two envelopes. Mike Pence at that moment. Because the objections are probably going to fail. I'm just going to be honest with you guys. I'm going to tell it to you straight. The objections will probably fail. I've gone through this list. You're trying to tell me Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Mitt Romney and Ben Sasse and Pat Toomey are gonna step up. No, that's already it. You're done. You're at 48 before you even start. Okay. Wish that wasn't the case, but I did go through the courageous Republicans that are trying to start building momentum. Okay, so let's say we're at 48. Mike Pence, because he has plenary power, has a choice, do I take the Trump electors or do I take the Biden electors? Let's say for Arizona, he's gonna be getting pressure to just put the Trump category or the Biden category. I think he should put him aside and say none. Those states electors are too much in question. I am not one to say Trump or Biden, no electors. He has the absolute and complete constitutional authority to do that. There will be other scholars that come out and say the opposite. Then ask very clearly, how did Richard Nixon do that in 1960 and why was that never challenged in the United States Supreme Court? And if it's unconstitutional, then fine, sue. And again, that will not make Trump president. What I am recommending right now will not necessarily make Trump president. That will bring it to the House of Representatives to decide the election, which is where the founders wanted it to be. The Senate's involvement in this has always been statutory. It's been suspect at best. They wanted the House to be able to decide. So once it goes to the House, each state gets one vote. There are competing forces and opinions that are saying Mike Pence does not have that power. Plenty of scholars and judges, former and current, have said, remains to be seen. Then do it and make them sue and get the court into action. For those of you that are listening in Georgia right now, you have a moral obligation to reelect Senator Loeffler and Senator David Perdue. Anyone who tells you to boycott the Georgia runoffs is doing the handiwork of Chuck Schumer and the arsonist Democrats. Nothing like sticking it to the establishment Republicans like electing Democrats. Let me tell you something that is so clearly morally, this is a law. It never is a good thing to elect a Democrat. That's is never the moral thing to elect a Democrat. Is it always a good thing to elect establishment Republicans? Questionable. But when you have binary choices, some people say, well, I don't like binary choices. You haven't lived a complex enough life to understand that sometimes life is black and white. It's that simple. Do I fire this person or not? Do I hire this person or not? Do I sign this loan document or not? Stop living in some sort of multi dimensional underwater chess game that my boycott is gonna send a message. You're an idiot. It is never a moral thing to elect a Democrat, especially like Warnock and that teenager that's running for office named osseff. There's a lot more I have to say about that. But please just elect LaFleur and David Perdue so I never have to talk about this again. This week is massive. This week will decide whether or not a January 20th inauguration will include or be for Joe Biden or for Donald Trump. All of this kind of rests on objections that are now mounting in unprecedented Fashion and form, from Senator Ted Cruz to Tommy Tuberville. I have the full list here of all the good guys. Plenty of not so good guys. Let me tell you what, Steve Daines, friend of mine, he's great. Ted Cruz. Tom Cotton is not. I want to get to that later on. Tom Cotton is not objecting. Bill Haggerty, Josh Hawley, Cynthia Lummis, James Lankford, Roger Marshall, who is a total surprise. James Inhofe. Really pleasantly pleased to see that. Truly. Ron Johnson, John Kennedy, Mike Braun and Marsha Blackburn. I might be missing one. If I am, I apologize. 180 House members and growing plan to object led by Kevin McCarthy. And so once you object, it goes into the different chambers and we talked about the three different outcomes. Number one, the objections work. Number two, Mike Pence refuses to count the polluted ballots. Number three, the objections fail. Pence counts the failed ballots and Biden becomes president. So result number one, Trump will win. The objections are likely going to fail. It is very unlikely that 50 United States senators are going to object on January 6th. That might be an uncomfortable thing to talk about, but it is true. Cruz, Johnson, Hawley, Lankford, Daines, Kennedy, Blackburn, Braun, Lummis, Marshall, Haggerty, Tuberville. Good for all of you. Thank you. I should also say so, Mike Pence, according to people I have talked to and certain sources that I know, is under the impression constitutionally that he does not have the power to not count the votes. The Constitution says very clearly the President of the Senate and the presence of Congress shall count the votes from the Electoral College. However, what it actually means to count votes and to count ballots is open for interpretation. 1960, Richard Nixon basically did as he chose in defiance to certain certification of the states. Let's go to Mark Levin. Mark Levin. Cut 18 of how Mark Levin argues that this is an unconstitutional election. Cut 19.
