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Charlie Kirk
My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.
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Blake
Use me.
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Charlie Kirk
Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold. But the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers.
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Andrew Colvett
All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is Thursday, December 11th. Blake, how you doing? Doing lovely, Doing lovely. Love to hear that. We are honored on this program to have a guest right out the gate who is a great American and a massive patriot and a good friend of the shows. And that is, of course, Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck, can you hear us? Are we connected?
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Glenn Beck
I can. How are you?
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Andrew Colvett
Wonderful. Good to see you.
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Glenn Beck
Blake, hello.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah. We're so honored to have you. Glenn, you, of course, interviewed Erica this morning as she is promoting Charlie's final book on behalf of her husband. This is when the book was written, about a month. It was finished about a month before Charlie was taken from us. And she is doing this admirable, brave thing of going out and talking to people like you about that book. What was your conversation like? Tell us about it, Glenn.
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Glenn Beck
I just love her. You know, I didn't want to get into what she was talking about yesterday. And, you know, we've talked about this before privately. I think what's happening to everybody at TP USA is just evil. I mean, it really is evil. It's. It's. I think it's emotional disturbance. It's mental health and evil all mixed up, and I've never seen anything like it. And what you guys have been accused of and what she's been accused of is just so. I didn't want to talk to her about that. I think I asked her one question, and I don't even remember what it was, but her answer was so strong and so clear. But I really thought, because today on my show, the whole show was really about finding the humanity again because we're losing our humanity towards one another. How can you possibly, how can you possibly treat Erica and you guys the way you've been treated? We're three months. I couldn't believe that when my producer said yesterday was the three month anniversary. Like, three month anniversary from what? From Charlie. And I'm like, three months. It's only been three months. It seems like a year has passed. And then I started thinking about all of the things that have been said about you guys, of how we've gone from this amazing God movement to where we're at in three months just screams it's got to be evil. That is pushing all of this. But anyway, we had a great conversation about Charlie, very human, you know, how he was trying to not blow out his adrenal glands. She didn't, she didn't know this. That's what happened to me when I was at Fox. I had two staffs at, a daytime staff and a nighttime staff because you just, you have to work all the time, all the time. And I slept for three hours a night. And you know, with as many performances and everything else you're doing all day long, your adrenal glands just up, down, up, down, up, down. And she was saying the same thing was happening with him. And she said, if, you know, we needed the Sabbath. And he knew that. And it's funny because that's exactly what happened with my wife. My wife was the one who was like, Sabbath day, keep the Sabbath day holy. And it's hard. And I asked her about it and she said, you know, we did kind of struggle with it a bit. She said if we couldn't make the Sabbath, he would divide that time up throughout the week. She is like. And it was just so human because it was, it was, you know, we're not perfect. We are human, but we believe in it. And so we're not going to become legalistic about it. We're going to do what we can to, to obey God. And I just, I just thought it was great.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, listen, you've, you've been amazing, Glenn. And yeah, I mean, the, on the one hand, it's like, you know, we're going to be addressing some of this on Monday on the 15th. I'm looking forward to it, trust me. And we've been trying our best to stay on mission on, you know, stay focused. We've got a lot of just basic things that we got to get done on a daily basis around here. And we've been trying our best, but it's. It's gone to a point. And I was. I was really grateful that Erica said what she said yesterday, and we'll be addressing it. But I would say this. Some of it is just so laughably insane that. What are you gonna say? You want to dignify some of this stuff with an answer? Some of it comes from, I would say, probably a love for Charlie, good faith, and people want answers. I totally can respect that. But when it blurs into insinuations, innuendos, accusations, I think that's when it goes too far. And I think, you know, there will be a time and a place, and I believe all will be revealed in time. All will be revealed.
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Glenn Beck
We were talking. I asked her, I said, are you concerned about a jury pool? You know, we're a year away. How do you get a jury that has not been tainted by all of this stuff? I mean, you may not see justice in this country and not, you know, the first time I recognized how African Americans felt, because, you know, as a white person, you're like, oh, well, you know, all of that's in the past. And we kind of solved that and Martin Luther King died, but we all kind of get it now and blah, blah, blah. You know, just stupid white people think. And when O.J. simpson, when that happened, I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is a wholly different animal here.
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Andrew Colvett
You just mean, like, the media circus around it. Is that what you're.
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Glenn Beck
No, I mean, the fact that the jury. The jury could look at that evidence and say, nope, not guilty. And they. I think all of them, if not the majority of them, came back afterwards and said, yeah, that wasn't. That was in the moment. You know, we were. We were wrong about that. And how that. That innocent verdict came out showed me that it's really hard to get people to do. To stay neutral if they. If they come into it with a certain mindset. It's really hard. Have you ever been on a jury? I've been on a jury before with a person that was a rapist stalker, and. Oh, my gosh. Have you ever been on a jury that was a serious jury?
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Andrew Colvett
No.
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Glenn Beck
Like that? No. No. It is so incredible because you try so hard not to bring your own feelings into it. You try really hard not to think of it as television. You know, like, well, as we solved in 30 minutes, you. You are dealing with 12, you know, or 11 other people, and. And you can't. You can't really get some of the questions that you really want answered answered. I mean, I don't. I can't tell you how many times we brought the judge in and went, well, wait a minute, we don't understand this. And he's like, I can't help you. It is what it is. And it's so hard. You add on top of that a year of, you know, it's really the Jews and Erica Kirk that did it. You're going to have. You have one person in that jury room that is coming in with that mindset. It's going to be impossible to convict. It's going to be.
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Andrew Colvett
Well, and I mean, here, here's what I will say. So we've got actually a procedural hearing today with Tyler Robinson in Utah. It's mostly gonna be about, you know, the conduct of the media and what they can show, what they can't. The news is that he's gonna be there in person. And I have to. But there's not gonna be. Substantively, it's gonna be. This is not a probable cause hearing. This is not an evidentiary hearing. But the, you know, the good news is, I mean, I just encourage people read the charging document. Read the charging document right there at the beginning. And this thing, I mean, they have so much evidence, so much evidence that you've got to have at least some faith that, you know, that people are going to come back to their senses a little bit. Hey, everybody, this is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show. Berna is proud to continue supporting Charlie Kirk's mission and the important work of Turning Point usa. Because empowering Americans defend their freedoms begins with protecting themselves, their families and their communities. The Byrna less lethal launcher looks like a firearm, but it isn't one. It fires powerful chemical irritant and kinetic projectiles that can stop a threat in its tracks, giving you the time and space you need to get to safety. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words.
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Glenn Beck
Andrew, here's the thing that doesn't make sense to me. I'm not hearing any of this stuff about Butler, Pennsylvania. I'm not hearing any of this. I'm not hearing that the Jews tried to kill him, that, you know, Trump's own staff tried to kill him. You know, we heard some that, you know, was the Secret Service in on it? Was the FBI? What, what did they know? When did they know it? How come there's this cover up, et cetera, et cetera. But not, not the kind of stuff, not that Melania was in on it. And, and it just seems relentless, like it won't stop. I mean, I was, I was with you for the fundraiser on Saturday and, you know, you guys didn't ask me to come. I came out of my own support of your organization or whatever. And, and I'm, I'm sitting there and I post something on Instagram. My gosh. The response from the people on my Instagram was, you must have sold out. Well, you're getting money from Israel. You're doing. And I'm like, what is happening? It's.
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Andrew Colvett
It.
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Glenn Beck
The only way I can describe, I've never, I've done this for our, for 49 years now. And I've seen a lot of stuff. In 49 years of broadcast, I've never seen anything a, like Charlie Kirk's funeral. I prayed for that for 20 years, a revival. I prayed, I stood in that room and I felt the spirit of God. And God came in and when people started talking about politics, he withdrew. They started talking about God again. He came back in. It was, it was like unreal. I've never felt anything like it before. A miracle, a Moses size miracle. The same thing with darkness here. I've never seen anything like it. What's happening is players are being put on the field. You're. You are sifting, right? You're being sifted. And where are you coming out? Are you going to be on God's side? Are you going to be on evil? And. And I don't think people realize that. Maybe they do, but I'm not sure. These are very important times.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah. No, I actually really agree. I think when you see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, like you saw at the memorial, when you saw the vigils all across the country, when you saw people getting saved and baptized, when you saw church pews fill up, especially with young people, and it was Catholic churches, it was Protestant churches, it was evangelical churches, it was across the board, Orthodox churches. You saw it everywhere. But when you see a move of God like that, it does make some sense that the forces of darkness would rise up to counter it. And I think the greater the move of God, the greater the forces of darkness that will rise up to counter it.
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Glenn Beck
Real quick, I remember I grew up in Seattle. I moved to Arizona, and I saw dark shadows for the first time. And people thought I was stoned, I think, because I just stood out there and I looked at the shadow of my hand on this, because I grew up with clouds all the time. And I realized the. The brighter the light, the sharper the shadows. And that's what you're seeing right now.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, I think that's really well said, Glenn. We could talk about this all day, but we won't because there is news to cover, including. You have been making some waves as well. It's not just us. You've been making some yourself with this George Washington AI. This is quite the project that you've endeavored. And I was texting back and forth with your producer, Ricky, and she was sending me. She was laughing about. She called it the Haterade, which is pretty funny. And I will say, when we lost Charlie, and we've talked about it on the show before, we got all these people inquiring from AI companies, and we're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not gonna make an AI chart. But that's not what you're doing here. But I think people get funny when they see people that are not alive brought back to life. But you had a. Your goal created, let's not say brought back to life. That's right. When they are animated with AI. There you go. So tell us what this project is and what you were endeavoring to do. And you're sitting down, having a conversation with an AI George Washington.
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Glenn Beck
Okay, so this is really important. This AI is proprietary. It is completely gated off from the rest of the Internet and everything else. And it only has original documents in it. So it has the Federalist Papers, it has the Constitution, it has their writings, it has the sermons that they listen to about the. The freedoms of America. Anything that they said at the time influenced them. That's part of this. And it does not know me. It doesn't know George Soros. It can't tell you anything about the United nations or Donald Trump or anything. It is only from their documents, and it's all firewalled off, and it is perfect. There's no hallucination because it is required to memorize all of the material. Regular AI with Chachi Beatty does not do that. So this is a proprietary private bank, if you will. And, you know, it kills me because people are saying, my gosh, he sounds just like Glenn Beck. No, I just sound a little like the Founding Fathers, because I know their words. But what happens is, I did an experiment on it, and what you're seeing there, the picture, if you're. If you happen to be watching it, if you're listening on radio, it's me sitting down at my interview desk with George Washington. He's in a T shirt, because I don't think anybody is interested in. Nobody's going to connect to a guy in a powdered wig in a. In a colonial suit. And he starts in at the beginning. And I said, we put a bunch of stuff in so he could look at the problems that we were facing. And I said, where did we go wrong? Or if it was you, where would you and the founder start to fix all of this?
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Andrew Colvett
Well, we have our clip. Yeah.
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Glenn Beck
Oh, you do?
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah. I don't mean to cut you off, Glenn, but we have a clip, I think, of what you're. What you're talking about here. It's 49 seconds, so it's a little bit on the longer side, but it's really interesting. Go ahead and play. 264.
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AI George Washington
My countrymen, the danger, the greatest danger to our republic lies not in foreign arms or political faction, but in.
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Glenn Beck
May I just interrupt you for a second? Could you just dumb it down just a little bit?
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Andrew Colvett
Okay.
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Glenn Beck
Speak in today's language.
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AI George Washington
Okay, Okay, I get it. Let me speak to Americans. If I'm honest, America's biggest problem isn't political or economic. It. It's all moral. You've drifted from the virtues that make liberty possible in the first place. Freedom to be free. You have to have Discipline. You have to have faith. You have to have character. And if you don't have any of those things, laws, laws can't stop anything. And they mean little government turns either weak or oppressive.
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Glenn Beck
So what, what you'd cut out there was at the beginning, I said, can you dumb it down? And he said, well, I have, I have 29 points that are directly correlated with our documents. And, and I said, I know, I know. Just dumb it down. What this, what this will do will give you all of the original documents where he's pulling it from. You'll see it in their own handwriting and then you can say dumb it down. I don't understand that language. I'm trying to share this with an 8 year old and it will revamp it so it's understood at an eight year old level. This is a new tool to teach, but it has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with just their original words. And to watch how the media has come out and called this extremist, et cetera, et cetera. If you listen to what he said, when did personal responsibility, when did self control, when did rely on yourself and don't look for a savior in a public office? When did all of these things become right wing, controversial? Everything he said was absolute common sense. True. And you know, you can find him in the 29 bullet points and the documents that he pulled them from.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, well, I think it's, I think it's fascinating, Glenn. I really do. It's called, in the, it's called Torch. Is that the company. How do people.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, Torch. You can just go to glenn beck.com. it launches on January 5th, and it's a new project of mine. It'll be an app that you can get. And George AI has a long way to go on it, but it's, it's a completely different.
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Andrew Colvett
Well done. Well done, Glenn. It's. I think it's fascinating. I'm gonna check it out. God bless you, Glenn Beck. We'll see you soon.
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Glenn Beck
God bless. You.
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Blake
Tyler Robinson, he is in court today. He's had digital hearings before. This is an actual in person one in court. We'll be honest. It's not a very big one in the grand scheme of things. Other than that it's an early one. This is not about. It's not the trial itself. It's not about evidence related to the trial. It's not jury selection, any of those things. It is a pre trial hearing to review case status. The most important thing about it, they're discussing whether to have cameras in the courtroom. We, of course, strongly support having cameras in the courtroom. Erica has endorsed having cameras in the courtroom. Robinson's lawyers have argued there should not be, that it would. They literally have a line in here. They've warned it would create a content tornado around the case. It is high profile and they say this would damage the jury pool. That's their argument. The notable thing about it, he will be allowed to appear in street clothes rather than a prison uniform. He is going to be restrained.
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Andrew Colvett
Shackled.
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Blake
Shackled. But it has to be sort of light shackles. And they're not allowed, the press is not allowed to photograph him where those are visible. So he'll be restrained, but you're not allowed to see him be restrained.
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Andrew Colvett
And so apparently the rationale for this is, you know, in the United States you are innocent until proven guilty. Right. The. It is the burden of proof lies on the state to make their case. And so there. But there's also Some, like legal 3D chess going on here. Right. Because the defense, if he comes out in an orange jumpsuit and he's shackled and he sort of presents as guilty. Right. Visually, then the defense on appeal could argue the. Any conviction would have to be then thrown out because he was. It was. He buys the jury.
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Blake
There's endless layers. You can have endless appeals on everything. And the strategy that goes into that. Yeah. Do you want, do you want him to look different because that will bias the jury one way, bias them the other way. The restraints, they can make any number of motions on this.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah. And the. And apparently the rationale for having him restrained is that if you look at the charging documents, which, again, I recommend everybody just Google it. Tyler Robinson charging documents, they come right up and there is a point at which his parents call Tyler Robinson and say, that looks like you. The footage that we see, that looks like you. Did you do it? Or whatever. He confesses to them and then he says something about Charlie having too much hate and you can't negotiate the hate out or whatever at that point. And then he apparently tells his parents that he's going to take his own life.
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Blake
Yeah. So they're doing this. The charges against him are capital charges. They can carry the death penalty. Prosecutors have said they're planning to seek it. And so we have a history of people who are facing severe charges. They can attempt to escape using violence, they can attempt to harm themselves. And so that. That's the purpose of restraint.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah. The point is, so he's indicated, at least at some level, thoughts of suicide. And what I was told was that even a pen could be used as a potential weapon. So that's why they want to keep him shackled, even if it's light shackled, out of camera view, you know, assuming he puts his hands underneath the table or something so you can't see it. But so today is going to be all about media access. And there is going to be a portion of the proceeding that is not public. And apparently that's going to be about security issues, obviously. That makes sense. High profile case. They want to make sure that the venue secure and safe. And they probably don't want to share that information with the public about ingress egress. You know, how they're going to be approaching the security of the actual venue in which the trial is heard. So I was told, don't expect it to be super substantive. You know, street clothes, lightly shackled. He will not speak. He will acknowledge his presence. But that's probably all we're gonna hear from Tyler Robinson. So can you acknowledge that you are the person that we have in this courtroom? He'll say yes, essentially, pretty much, that'll be it.
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Blake
Reading through the details on this, you realize just how exceptional this case actually is. Cause it is one of the things that's pointed out. This is the first high profile criminal case that has occurred in the artificial intelligence era. So I'm reading one of the reports here. Attorney Kathy Nestor, one of his Attorneys, I believe she's pointed out there are already digitally altered versions of Robinson's, you know, his court photos, like the photos that we've actually seen of him in custody. So people have created versions where he has an outburst or where he begins crying. So they've, you know, used AI to create video where there isn't one. And we've had that. Of course, with the shooting itself. It's going to be. You can somewhat sympathize with them pointing out that this is going to be a totally unprecedented thing. And you have to appreciate that we are. This is what the reality is going to be going forward for every criminal case, for every criminal case imaginable, you're going to have people, AI, AI altering videos or creating them from whole cloth. That's a real thing. If they don't allow cameras in the courtroom, we. We may well have people saying this is an undercover video that was taken at the trial and it's entirely generated with AI this is getting way beyond the case, but I'm really shuddering for the future.
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Andrew Colvett
Oh, yeah. I mean, listen. I mean, Glenn alluded to it. The craziness that we've had to endure is next level. I mean, obviously you're sort of realizing that this is the high profile nature of this, of what happened, Charlie's fame. You know, we knew it was going to be huge, but I don't think anybody knew that it was going to take as many turns as it already has. To Glenn's point, it's three months in and yeah, we have this first procedural like court hearing today. It's not going to be much, but even this, who knows how it's going to be spun?
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Blake
Who knows how it'll be spun? It really. It does. Another thing we should have. Prosecutor from Utah. We're gonna talk about this just because I do think we've. We've talked about the theories that are spinning around. I do think a lot of that is produced by. There's a lot of psychic energy around this, as it were. People think about this case a lot. It affected a lot.
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Andrew Colvett
You don't mean that in. In sort of a not literal.
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Blake
Not literal mind powers.
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Andrew Colvett
You just mean there's a pent up.
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Blake
There's pent up passion for it. And this could get released. If people were able to see a trial unfolding.
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Andrew Colvett
Yes.
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Blake
While they're all thinking about this, that they could say, okay, here is the defendant, Here is the evidence, here is the jury selection. Here is the trial, here is the verdict. And if it happened in a timely Way which our constitution guarantees the right to a speedy trial. And if you look historically, high profile criminal cases have happened quickly within the past hundred years where they're able to put people on trial in a reasonable length of time. But now it's this combination of everything in the court system has slowed down, but everything in the media ecosystem has sped up.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah.
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Blake
So in the day of nightly news and no online, the O.J. simpson trial could go on for a year and people wouldn't totally lose their minds. But imagine if the O.J. simpson trial was happening today, but there was this year long delay after this giant spectacular car chase and then actually having a serious trial go on.
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Andrew Colvett
And imagine, imagine if there was AI and. Yeah, and AI, imagine if there was. I mean, all the elements of this really do amount to an explosive media circus. The media tornado thing totally is legitimate. But to Erica's point, which she said with Jesse Waters, everything that we've done has been hyper scrutinized and hyper analyzed. Every smile, every comment, everything so analyzed. And we deserve to see this trial play out before the media. We get to see the. I want to see the evidence, you know, presented in a factual, straightforward way. I want, I want almost the American people to be educated in the civics of it.
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Blake
And because it is so easy for these AI generated things to happen, and because there is so many, there are so many alternative outlets for just generating wild stuff, that content tornado exists regardless of it is actually in that case genuinely important to have the real thing out there existing. And will people try to manipulate it? Yes, inevitably. But it does have to exist because if you have no real thing to compete against it, oh, 1,000%, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a calamity.
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Andrew Colvett
Well, and I want to compare what we're doing today in the Tyler Robinson trial versus, like what's going on with Mangione. So Mangioni is doing.
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Blake
This is also taking forever.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, this is also taking forever. You know, he's having a probable cause hearing in New York City. And that's actually where you start to hear stuff. New information. Right. So Mangione is, they're presenting new body cam footage. The defense is saying that some of that evidence was seized illegally, that they didn't have a warrant. So you're starting to see actually the chess moves by the defense and by the prosecution in that case, because they're at a, a further juncture at that trial. Right. So we're not there yet, but when we get to an evidentiary hearing, a probable cause hearing, which is a step in the process that says, is there enough evidence to take this to a full trial? Right. I think in Mangioni's case, of course, it's gonna go to a full trial. In Tyler Robinson's case, of course it's gonna go to a full trial. But that's technically what that step is for. And that's when you'll find out, is there enough evidence to proceed? Obviously there is. So don't expect that today. But I think I could share your frustration, Blake, in a massive way, especially being on this end of it where you are a victim of this circumstance, this terrible tragedy where our friend was murdered in cold blood. And there's this vacuum of time, right, where people want answers to certain questions. You can only get those answers in a trial, and yet we have to wait here. We're probably looking at March, April for this. Right. And it's. It's like, you know, if you're on this end of it, they can drag that out. Yeah. And they could. Yeah, they could find ways to drag that out. And then you're probably looking into 2027 for an actual trial. That's what we're staring down right now. I know. And, you know, again, if you. If you read the charging documents, I mean, they've. They've got this kid. So that the case is so watertight. Again, there's fair questions to ask around it. There really are. And I'm trying to be as gracious and generous as I can to that. I have questions. We've chased down every lead we can possibly imagine that you can imagine. I mean, people send us stuff all the time, and we're always sending those along to the authorities. But, man, this case is very strong, very watertight.
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Andrew Colvett
All right, so I mean before we move on, is there anything you want to say about this or.
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Blake
I think, I mean for now, I think we've said it. There should be cameras.
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Andrew Colvett
It's at noon mountain time. So it's going to be right at the end.
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Blake
Right at the end of our show.
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Andrew Colvett
Of our show. And then we'll tune over.
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Blake
We'll probably, we'll probably hit it on Thought Crime tonight if anything.
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Andrew Colvett
Yep.
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Blake
Noteworthy happens. Sure, we'll want to do that. So we just got an email from Alison who asks if there's an update on the redistricting fight in Indiana. Well, which I want to react to that because there is.
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Andrew Colvett
Yes.
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Blake
They're voting today.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, that's a huge one.
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Blake
We need 26 votes from the Republican senators of Indiana. We have 22 confirmed yes votes. I will be frank. I am pessimistic about them passing it. But then we move into stage two which is primary. You have to primary them and we're.
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Andrew Colvett
Gonna be involved in that in a big way. So this is the redistricting fight which would result in a nine zero states. You'd have nine conservative districts, zero liberal or Democrat districts. And what you need to get that done is you need 26 votes in the Senate. We have 22 confirmed yeses. We are pessimistic that we are going to get the four additional votes that we need. Now I think what is total number? We have like 40 Republicans.
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Blake
We have 4039 Republicans and a non caucusing Republican which I don't even want to find out what the heck that means.
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Andrew Colvett
Yes.
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Blake
And we only need 2439 Republicans, 10 Democrats. You have 40, 40 Republicans, 10 Democrats. You have an 80% Republican legislature. And, and they can't get a bear majority to get two extra Republicans in the U.S. house.
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Andrew Colvett
Right.
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Blake
And when we, you know, you might have thought this was a bad fight to start but it's sort of like, it's sort of like saying oh, I just don't agree with the way like what our battle plan is in this war. So I'm just gonna go pout and sit at home or something. No, the battle has been joined. Democrats have redone their map in California. They're redoing their map. I think in Maryland. They did it. They're looking for maps they can redo. Yeah, they're planning to do it in Virginia. The battle is joined. You have to join the fight or switch flipping parties or just quit, leave and let yourself be replaced by someone who will fight. As Charlie would say, lead, follow, or get out of the way.
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Andrew Colvett
Get out of the way. And here we made some news on Friday. I think we were the COVID of front page of Politico. But it, we are getting involved in the Indiana fight on the Turning Point action side. So we are going to bring our organizational muscle over to Indiana. There is going to be a lot of PACs, C4s, grassroots, local grassroots in Indiana. We had Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press join us earlier this week. And he said the grassroots in Indiana, he's a local there, Is fired up and they're upset with their elected president. Representatives in that state, I think they have every right to be. And I'll reiterate this point because a lot of attention goes to swing states in our election cycles. Okay. Because those obviously determine who's going to be the president. You got to win the swing states to become the president's very high profile. We take our eye off the ball when it comes to these red, predictably red strongholds like Indiana. Indiana is very conservative. It's very Republican. President Trump won in 2024 by 20 plus points in the state of Indiana. It's a very red state. But what happens is the incumbent political class gets so entrenched in these states that over the years, especially when you have a convulsive moment like President Trump coming onto the scene, the incumbent political class ceases to line up with where the base voters are at. So you have these moments where the base wants redistricting. And as you said, the fight has been joined. You either get to join the fight or you get to stay and be an enemy in that fight.
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Blake
At this point, you are just straight up voting. Do you want more Republicans in Congress or fewer?
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, it's a really powerful vote. And there's take your pick.
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Blake
And if your answer is, I want fewer Republicans, why are you a Republican?
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Andrew Colvett
And there will be congressional level spending deployed in the state of Indiana. So if you get on board and you vote to redistrict, you will be marked as safe. If you vote against it, you will be marked for a primary. And that is the essential bargain that is being offered to the senators in the great state of Indiana.
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Blake
We don't like doing this. No, it's more fun to run against Democrats. It's more fun to spend against Democrats. But frankly, sometimes you have to make sure that if your bluff is called, that you can meet it.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah, well. And I mean, it's not even a question. We're gonna be all out. We've already begun hiring process. We've already been deploying our staff in there, meeting with the local grassroots. Everybody's fired up, everybody's ready to go. And I mean, it will probably take a process. Just so you think of the time frame here, it will probably take all the way through 2028 to get this done, to get a state legislature in place in Indiana, to get it all the way across the finish line. But listen, you're four votes shy. Let's see how close we get. Maybe, just maybe, enough senators are going to hear the call of their voters in the great state of Indiana that they will change their vote, get to that 26 vote threshold, and we'll get the job done. We don't need all this, all this outside attention, all the drama, all the drama. There's so much drama going on in this country right now. I would love to stay focused on the mission. Would love to stay focused on the mission. You know, it occurs to me, Blake, how hard we worked over the years to stay mission focused.
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Blake
Gotta. Gotta stay mission focus. And then you, you kind of, you have this rude awakening where you go into this state where you're not. You are admittedly not necessarily super engaged with their locals. We're super engaged with state level Arizona politics. You go to Nebraska, you go to Indiana, and they have their grievances going back years. They have their arrangements going back years. And you just come in and you just have to roll your eyes. This is what you guys are focused on. This is what you think matters the most right now.
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Andrew Colvett
Yeah.
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Blake
That Trump, because you are gravely mistaken.
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Andrew Colvett
The R word in a Truth social.
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Blake
Used it for a reason.
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Andrew Colvett
It was not uncalled for in that particular Truth Social post.
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Blake
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