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Charlie Kirk
Hey, everybody. Tan the Charlie Kirk Show. The speaker of the House fight is here. We walk through it piece by piece and explain it all. What is happening on the floor of the House of Representatives. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk. com, get involved with TurningPoint USA@tpusa.com Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.
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Matt Gaetz
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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Charlie Kirk
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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Jack Posobiec
I want you to know we are.
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Kurt Schlichter
Lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
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Charlie Kirk
I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy.
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Matt Gaetz
His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.
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Charlie Kirk
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives. And we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegoldinvestments.com that is noblegoldinvestments.com it's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com Honored to be with you guys. We have right there, a picture in picture look of the new Congress. It is the opening day of the 119th Congress. The American people spoke. And despite all of the prognosticators and experts, Republicans are going to control all three chambers of government. The House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Well, it'll be two branches. Yeah, I guess three chambers is fair. It is. Well, two chambers, all three levers of power, you could say. There's a lot of questions, though. And today, as we are doing this broadcast, it's gonna be happening live. We have a very serious speaker of the House situation. Mike Johnson's tenuous speakership might collapse. Today, the new Congress is assembling, and that means Congress must select a Speaker. Republicans have the narrowest majority in living memory, and that's making things very complicated. Two years ago, Kevin McCarthy needed 15 rounds of votes. You remember that? That was only two years ago. Fifteen rounds of votes to become speaker. And he lasted less than 10 months. But McCarthy went into the House vote with 222 Republicans. He could lose more than one and still become Speaker. Mike Johnson is going to this House vote with only 219 Republicans, that means Mike Johnson can only lose exactly one Republican vote. That means if he loses two, there's no majority. Thomas Massie has said he's not voting for Johnson no matter what. So that's one vote that Johnson can lose. He needs everybody else. It's very, very little margin for Mike Johnson. Now, it's possible we could be in for a day of theatrics. There are Republicans who may vote against Johnson on the first ballot to show their independence, but then back him by the end of the day. Of course, every speaker vote takes about an hour, so these stunts could waste quite a bit of our time. But that is Congress for you. A lot of people are saying that there is. If there's no speaker, it could prevent Trump from becoming president because the House can't conduct business and so it can't certify the election results. In my opinion, I think this is actually very much mistaken. The Constitution clearly describes how the presidential results are certified, and it does not require the speaker of the House because the Constitution says what to do directly. We went through this, by the way, with the last Kevin McCarthy carousel of votes. With the Kevin McCarthy carousel. Remember, you can pass pieces of legislation without a Speaker. You can do emergency pieces of legislation without a Speaker. You can do anything without a Speaker. A Speaker is not technically necessary. A Speaker is not prescribed. As far as the Constitution of the House of Representatives, new members can be sworn in by anybody. A Speaker House does not need to do that. This is all just tradition and House rules. So. But I guess for tradition's sake, you need a speaker. Trump, for his part, has loudly come out in favor of Mike Johnson, posting on Truth Social, saying that, quote, a win for Mike today will be a big win for the Republican Party. That, if nothing else, may be enough to salvage Johnson. Because far more than ever, this is Trump's Republican Party. And any Republican seen as sabotaging his agenda will be primaried very quickly. So look, the circumstance in front of us as the new House meets right now, the 119th Congress, is will Mike Johnson stay as speaker of the House? And the answer is likely yes. By the way, I want to hear from you, freedom@charlie kirk.com. do you want Mike Johnson to stay? Do you want Republicans to stay behind him? The reason this is even a discussion was the way this ridiculous December spending bill was negotiated. The reason that this is even being discussed, the reason that this is even in contention is the way that all went down. Remember, Speaker Mike Johnson quietly and secretly negotiated a deal behind the scenes to create a multi thousand page bill. I think it was like 1500 pages to be specific, with Hakeem Jeffries and with Chuck Schumer and create this behemoth, call it a continuing resolution when it really wasn't. That included funding Ukrainian biolabs, that included the worst funding for the Democrat NGOs, censorship organizations, all to try to cut a deal for a continuing resolution. House members were not led into this negotiation. They were not allowed in on this conversation. They were not in the room at all. House members were not involved in any of this or made part of the process. And it thou has turned them pretty angry. It has fired them up and for very, very good reason. Many of these House members that we had on our program, such as Byron Donalds and many others, they've said we were not even involved in this process. And look, the final deal was better than it was thanks to you, the grassroots standing up. The final continuing resolution was better. But we still did not win the way we should have. A CR should have just been one page. We should have got a debt ceiling and we got zero spending cuts. All because why members of Congress wanted to get home for Christmas. Members of Congress wanted to get home for a Christmas vacation. Nurses, airline pilots, ER doctors, police officers, firefighters, they all have to work on Christmas. But members of Congress did not. And so look on this program we're not going to like lead the battalion and say we must remove Speaker Johnson. But I will say passively, we just won a mandate election in November. This should be a no question Speaker's race. But the reason it isn't is worthy of emphasis and reflection is that they've been trying to play games with every major issue against the will of the American people and against the will of the Republican Party for quite some time. Spending cuts, secure border, defunding the FBI and said we have more money going to the FBI, we got nothing on the border. Remember when we were told by House leadership we must give money to we're not going to fund the government until we have a secure border. And that was all just a bunch of rubbish, was a bunch of balderdash, bunch of nonsense, bunch of horse pucky. And so then of course the counter argument is okay then who? We don't have a good answer to that. That's why I'm kind of in a passive position here. But no Ukraine. We were told that there should be no money sent to Ukraine without border security. Yet we spent hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine thanks to this. Congress has Mike Johnson and the House leadership earned, emphasis on the word earned your trust and your vote. Is this the best that we can do? And I see the argument. The President wants him and the President should get what he wants. President Trump wants Mike Johnson. President Trump should get Mike Johnson. He's gone all in. He's going to bat for him. Trump wants Johnson. Trump deserves a honeymoon. I totally respect that. There is an anonymous letter right now circulating around Congress of last few days all regarding very valid criticism that we share. A group of conservatives and potential opposition votes against Speaker Johnson are circulating a document laying out a scorecard that lists out multiple failures of this last Congress. While the author remains unnamed, it hits the talking points being shared by Johnson's critics. How Republicans have repeatedly added to the nation's debt, passed aid to Ukraine without the support of the majority. The GOP majority reauthorized fisa. In particular, they took issue with how the last government spending bill was handled ahead of Christmas. Is this the best we can do? I suppose that's. That is I guess the threshold we're at. President Trump wants Mike Johnson. That is what we are going to get. However, I'm not convinced that he's going to pass on the first vote. Can we continue to have that picture in picture, please? I think the roll call is going to start soon and if it's not Mike Johnson and then who? And some people say we'll give him a hundred day honeymoon. Well, we're not giving Mike Johnson a honeymoon. The person who has earned what he wants and what he demands is President Trump. If President Trump wants Mike Johnson, he earned a mandate to get the speaker of the House that he wants, period. Charlie Kirk here. For many of us, the new year brings new joys and new financial challenges. My friends Andrew and Todd from Sierra Pacific Mortgage are to help you get organized for the new year with a free financial checkup. I think the world of these guys, they helped me with a very complex loan recently. So listen carefully, find out exactly where you stand with your real estate, finance, college debt, yearly property taxes and all those expenses you racked up over the holidays. Andrew and Todd, who are amazing people, are your friends in the mortgage business, the experts you can trust. And when you get your free financial checkup, you'll be working with Andrew and Todd and their team directly because they handle everything themselves. 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It's very well publicized and I try to give people second and third and fourth chances. I'm not gonna like say, hey, we need to oppose him. I get it, you gotta vote for him. You gotta vote for him. The thing that bothered me the most was the FISA vote, the border deception. This last CR was very demoralizing. It was very demoralizing. Not because, I mean, look, you know that they're gonna do their thing in D.C. where they spend a bunch of money and don't spending cuts. But it's at that he was not involving President Trump in the negotiation process of this monstrosity bill. The incoming president and all of a sudden Here it is 1,500 pages and we have Ukrainian bio labs and censorship industrial complex and just nonsense and rubbish all throughout this bill that was just thrown at us at the last second. We said, oh, we have to read this thing. President Trump wants him and President Trump has earned to have the speaker of the House of his choice. By the way, nobody else wants this job. It is thankless, it's not easy. And I, it's not an excuse by the way to lie. I just want to be very clear when people say, well, you know, it's a really hard job and all this, but telling the truth takes zero talent. Telling the truth is not something that requires a PhD in physics. Telling the truth is elemental to a free society. And you in the audience are fired up right now because when you are told there is no choice, you say, wait a second, what kind of prisoner of another binary that does not exist do I have to be? How many times are you told, well, you have to vote for this trashy bill because there's no time. Well, there's no time because you waited to the last minute. So there's no choice and there's no time. There's no option. So therefore, we must go with what's in front of us. And this is what creates widespread distrust, widespread rebellion against our institutions, cynicism. And it's very difficult for me to say, you know what, actually you should trust all these institutions. Actually, you should think very highly of Congress. Very, very difficult. So I get it, I get the fury, I get the rage. In fact, this CR that turned into an omnibus, I can't defend that. And then we're going to have that pass and there'll be no consequences. Yes, because. Yes, because President Trump's in a very difficult position. I'm not going to say I even agree or disagree. I told the team I'm very indifferent about this entire thing. I don't have strong opinions either way in the sense where I totally sympathize and understand that removal is based on the track record, like what it do for us. However, removal is probably not very wise at all. And let's say, let's say President Trump said, I want Mike Johnson gone. Let's play this out. Let's say, let's say President Trump said, I want Mike Johnson gone. That will infuriate every single moderate that he needs with a two seat majority, a two seat majority to pass his premier legislation. So Lawler and Jason Smith and all of them would then get infuriated at President Trump and not vote for any other piece of legislation that President Trump wants. Don Bacon, they would all say, president Trump go pound sand. We're not going to vote for your border stuff. We're not going to vote for your tax stuff. We're not going to vote for any of it. And then you don't even have a replacement. So there is no choice. There is no replacement. So President Trump's in a very, very difficult position here. So I can understand why he has made the decision that he's made. And it's very annoying for everybody in this audience. And to be perfectly honest, it's irritating and it makes us very angry because we worked so hard and we won this election triumph. And then we look at Congress and we say we could do a lot better. That's not just a Mike Johnson thing, it's a legislative results thing. By the way, I have become a premier expert on this program in every single excuse. Oh, it's too close to an election, so we can't do spending cuts. Oh, it's Christmas, so I need a vacation. We don't have any other option for Speaker. It's too late on a deadline and the debt ceiling and the whole country is going to go into default. We know all the excuses and the base. You the backbone, the spine of the Republican Party, the vanguard of the nation. You're not buying those excuses much anymore. So I want to hear from you. Freedomarliekirk.com President Trump gets what President Trump wants. He wants Mike Johnson and I bet he's going to get him. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here. Making America Great Again starts with Making America healthy again. I lost 40 pounds with the PhD weight loss and nutrition program and two years later I haven't gained a pound back. I started the PhD weight loss and nutrition program because I needed to be healthy to keep up with my crazy schedule. Most people start a weight loss program to get healthier. So why is Big Pharma spending millions to convince you to use their weight loss injections that do just the opposite? Do your homework. Weight loss injections have harmful side effects and lifelong dependency. Take a natural approach that isn't connected to Big Pharma's bottom line. PhD changes the way you think about food. You'll learn to quiet cravings and finally release the unhealthy belly fat. PhD weight loss is leading the charge to make America healthy again. Text word healthy to 717-767- or visit myphdweightloss.com that's the word healthy to 717-767, it's worked for me. It'll work for you. 717-767-text the word healthy Joining us now is Matt Gaetz, host of the Matt GAETZ show on OANN 1America's News Network. Great American. Matt, welcome to the program. Matt, congratulations on your new show. And also Matt, tell me what is going to happen in this speaker fight.
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Matt Gaetz
My suspicion is that Mike Johnson will be elected speaker, that it will likely be today and I would anticipate either the first or the second vote. That's because for my friends who are concerned about Mike Johnson's inability to deliver single subject bills, his inability to put downward pressure on any spending to open up the process where you can read the sufficient time to analyze their impact in advance, Mike hasn't done those things. But to vote against him now does not create an ecosystem to change that dynamic. That will have to be done after President Trump's certification and after President Trump is in office. And I knew when we put a little pressure ON speaker designate McCarthy to give us some concessions, concessions that put key conservatives on committees where the product at the End of the day, we hoped would be more reflective of where our voters are. That was because Joe Biden was president and there was no real eagerness on the part of the Republican base to get to the Joe Biden agenda. Whereas now there's great hope and opportunity that a lot of Americans see in the Trump agenda. So Mike Johnson will be speaker. I've suggested to my colleagues that the best way to make Mike Johnson the best version of himself is not to put him through the ringer today, but instead to start talking about the policy concessions fiscal conservatives need in the upcoming budget bill. And you'll hear it called reconciliation, which it always seemed like a weird word to me, reconciliation, because that's like when you're getting back together. But the reality is this bill often creates a lot more tension than reconciliation. But there'll be demands for border policy in there, tax policy. There'll be a desire to reduce spending, and a lot of the agencies that have had mission creep, like the Department of Education and the epa. And our hope is that you get a speaker willing and competent to execute on that agenda. But let me tell you something, Charlie, if this had been a close one, I would have been there. I have a certificate of election that I think still would have worked today. But I spoke to Mike Johnson last night, and he exhibited great confidence that after President Trump spoke with a number of our colleagues and excited them around a unifying agenda that today would be largely ceremonial.
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Charlie Kirk
So, yeah, you could have actually showed up and voted today, if I'm not mistaken. Is that what you're saying? Is that right, Matt?
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Matt Gaetz
Yeah, vote was needed. I would have been there. I had a flight booked and everything. But the speaker gave me a ring and said he felt as though that people's concerns had been heard, that they were being addressed, and that they would have a unified Republican team coming out of the day.
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Charlie Kirk
So, Matt, let me speak on behalf of the audience. We have about 3,000 emails that have come in in the last 30 minutes and it's 99% against Speaker Johnson. They can't stand him. They call him a gutless wonder. They say he's a liar, he's deceived us, he has misled us. What is your message to the grassroots that are incredibly disappointed with Speaker Johnson?
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Matt Gaetz
Well, I'm disappointed as well. When we voted for Speaker Johnson, he was for single subject bills, he was against the war in Ukraine, and he wanted to curtail federal powers of surveillance beyond the constraints of the Constitution. And he reversed his view on all those things and then constructed this terrible spending bill. The hope is that courage is contagious, that if you believe Mike Johnson is a gutless wonder, that once President Trump is dictating the agenda, Johnson will be merely a vessel for that agenda. He has shown he is not going to be a change agent for the House of Representatives. Now, where I will disagree with your monologue earlier when you said, well, nobody else wants the job, that's not true. Tom Emmer, the current whip, wants the job. Jim Jordan wants the job. You know they're going to vote for Mike Johnson today as a show of unity, but nothing. I mean, those two guys ran for speaker in 2024. That's typically an itch that doesn't go away with one scratch.
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Charlie Kirk
So what. What can be done through this process to try to ensure the next six months are better for President Trump? So let's say he does end up getting the speakership. Is there any concessions from rules changes or packages? Because, Matt, a lot of those concessions that you were able to deliver after the vacation of Kevin McCarthy were actually never followed through upon.
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Matt Gaetz
Right. Here's what I learned, Charlie. The only concessions that are durable are personnel concessions. When someone says, I promise this bill will get a vote, I promise we'll get a vote on term limits. I promise that we'll have spending cuts. With the right accounting tricks and the right political excuses, people can always weasel themselves out of those commitments. The commitments we got from McCarthy that are durable to this day, putting strong conservatives on the Rules Committee, putting people like Andrew Clyde on the Appropriations Committee. And when those folks first get on, they don't have the seniority or at times the juice to drive the agenda of those committees. That's why Lauren Boebert came on my program on One America News last night and said if Johnson would agree to make Chip Roy the head of the Rules Committee, a lot of those fiscal hawks would fly in formation behind him in supporting Johnson. I don't know if that deal was made. Johnson was indicating that he wasn't interested in any quid pro quo on personnel. But if I were the holdouts, I would be holding out for getting the people who are not financially compromised by the lobby corps or special interests into some of the key budget positions. That's how it goes best for Trump.
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Charlie Kirk
So let's dive into the legislative calendar. It seems as if the consensus in D.C. is one big reconciliation bill. What is a reconciliation bill? You've mentioned this previously before. Educate our audience on how this process works so that we can avoid 60 votes in the US Senate.
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Matt Gaetz
Right well, that's the essence of it. On everything from immigration policy to a Mother's Day resolution, you typically need 60 votes into the Senate to proceed onto anything of substance. And here there is a unique kind of breakthrough on the Senate filibuster that only requires 50 votes, plus the vice president if it is budget policy. So there will be an analysis done of everyone's ambitious goals and ideas for this piece of legislation that already folks are working on this month to see what is true budgetary policy versus what is a policy that is not spending, but otherwise in nature, and then that will be excluded from what is negotiated. Now our friends the border hawks will say, darn it, we want every bit of amnesty reform in this bill. And that will be challenging. And then you'll have some of the fiscal hawks saying, well, we won't vote for it unless we get the trillions of dollars cut that Elon Musk has talked about with Doge. And my suspicion is that the big spenders still occupy a sufficient majority in both the House and the Senate once you peel away party labels, and that they will resist that greatly. So I think that President Trump has got the debt limit to deal with. That could be a function of the reconciliation bill. It's gonna be everybody trying to get their priority in this one thing. And ultimately, this is so bizarre, but the Senate parliamentarian is the person empowered to determine whether or not a specific feature of legislation fits inside or outside of reconciliation. How's that for in the weeds for you, Charlie?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And so let's dive deeper into that. The Senate parliamentarian, when do they weigh in? Potentially, they could weigh in once the bill's already passed the House. Is that correct?
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Matt Gaetz
They could, yes. And that's when they have to officially determine whether or not provisions qualify. But here's what will happen. Lobbyists and special interests will go and work the Senate parliamentarian's office to try to get a specific idea or proposal either deemed included or excluded. And so before you even get a ruling from the Senate parliamentarian, you'll have committee chairs and other people who are just vessels of special interests show up to representatives and say, oh, well, we'd love to include this amnesty reform, but we've heard the Senate parliamentarian isn't going to allow it under what's called the Byrd rule. That's the rule that empowers the Senate parliamentarian to make this calculus. And then when things fall out of the bill as a consequence of the Byrd rule, they are inaptly described as the Byrd droppings of the Reconciliation.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So, but this is not constitutional. This is just a Senate rule. Right. And so this one person who I don't know if she's good or bad, her name is Elizabeth McDonough, she's been there since 2012, is one of the most powerful people in America, is that correct?
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Matt Gaetz
That's right. That's how the senators behave. But it is sort of to your exact point. It is a prison of their own construction. Right. If I were Senate Majority leader, if Rick Scott were Senate Majority Leader, he would just say, no, no, no, no. This is what we deem appropriate. We're in the majority. The majority deems that for the reconciliation to pass, this is what's in, this is what's out. Presumably JD V could do that as the constitutional presiding officer of the Senate. He could just go and by function of the Constitution, seize that power from the Senate parliamentarian. To do that, we would then have to awaken all of the senators with smelling salts after they've clutched their pearls and passed out aghast with the violation of norms. But we're either all prisoners of the Senate parliamentarian or there has to be some exercise of the power of the majority to get our accomplishments into this first critical piece of legislation.
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Charlie Kirk
Matt, you have a new show. Tell us about it. How is life? You are going to be Attorney General. Then life takes different detours. Tell us how things are going in Matt Gaetz world.
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Matt Gaetz
No, I'm excited. I've got the Matt Gaetz show on One America News. And the same day my show premiered, One America News was added to Sling and was also added to the Dish Network. So we're in 10 million more homes than we were the day before I started. And I'm really excited about the growth of the network and the opportunity to have the discussions that I used to have with lawmakers on the floor and in committee for the entire country to see. So folks can get the OAN Live app as well. Or follow me on xatgaetz and we'll make sure to include you in the conversation.
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Charlie Kirk
Matt, thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Really appreciate it.
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Matt Gaetz
Thanks, Charlie.
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Charlie Kirk
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Visit relieffactor.com or call 1-800-for- relief. That is 1-800-for relief. Again, relief factor is amazing. The daily supplement that fights pain naturally. Get out of pain@ relieffactor.com that is relieffactor.com the house is beginning to vote. Can we have the picture in? Picture up, please. As we continue to talk about this, here's what I will say about Congress. There are some rock stars in Congress and hopefully even more coming. Anna Paulina Luna is a rock star. There are rock stars across the board. Brandon Gill, who is a very promising new rock star. However, I'll be honest, most members of Congress are incredibly unimpressive. You would not hire them to be a dog catcher. And this is the greatest thing they've ever done and they ever will do. By the way, they've never run a hot dog stand, nor could they. They're incredibly ambitious. They're cunning and very interested in vanity. Now again, I want to make sure it's very clear. There are some rock star members of Congress like Darrell Issa. I don't agree with him on everything. Very impressive, very smart man, built a business. Very, very smart person. There's plenty of them. However, there are far more than the impressive is the unimpressive. They are just there to be important, to feel as if they've done something. And for them, this is the student council equivalent. For the rest of their life they get paid a nice wage. Which by the way, remember that other continuing resolution bill that got shot down, had a pay raise for Congress, adding insult to injury. By the way, I will give a member. You know what I think the bill should be? I think someone should introduce this bill. I think it's a great bill. If we balance the budget, every member of Congress gets a $1 million bonus. I think it would be a great, great use of $535 million. I think that if we have, if every member of Congress, if they balance the budget, everyone gets a million bucks, say 2 million bucks make it a billion dollars. Breaking news, by the way. Representative Tim Burchette has said he expects multiple rounds of voting. But I thought it was just gonna be one round. That's what some of our sources were saying. Turns out they were wrong. Multiple rounds of voting. That's why we are here on the Charlie Kirk show to monitor all, manage it, to see what's happening in real time. By the way, you shouldn't be surprised at multiple rounds of voting. People are angry and they should be angry. People are fired up. And you got these elevated student council dog catchers out there. Some of them, some are wonderful people, some are very impressive, that have bankrupted the country, indicating that there's another no vote. Look, this is all gonna get sorted out. Mike Johnson's gonna become Speaker. It might take two rounds, three rounds, four rounds, five rounds. They want to try to create a PR spectacle around it. Fine, Good. In some ways, it's warranted to have the spectacle, because what has Congress delivered for us? In some ways, you got to send a message to the American people. You got to shock the system a little bit. I get it. Johnson's going to be speaker. Kind of a little bit of a reminder that he's on a little bit of a dangerous terrain right now. But you can't extend this beyond Sunday. You don't want certification to get in the way. Totally understand it. That's fair argument. It's fine. Look, the emails are receiving freedom@charliekirk.com are 99% against Speaker Johnson. Just overwhelming. That's probably an unsustainable political equation. When you have 99% of the base of your party that does not want the speaker to continue, it's not good at all. It is a formula that is a recipe for disaster. We said the same thing during the McCarthy fight. What is the alternative? What is the plan? And eventually the dam broke. Now, the difference, though, is that we have President Trump and we have the White House. President Trump is going to get one big legislative shot. Take your shot. And I think it's going to be a big, beautiful bill. It's going to be border, it's going to be taxes, it's going to be everything. So I get it. If I was President Trump, almost have no choice but to get behind Mike Johnson. Almost no choice. You can't tick off the moderates. You got to try to bring people together. I get it. Governing is hard. It's very hard. I do not envy those that have to govern. However, I will not continue to make excuses and I will not continue to dodge and weave when people don't tell the truth. That is a category difference. You tell the truth. It takes no talent to tell the truth. Email us freedom charliekirk.com Voting is underway for who shall become speaker of the House of Representatives. 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Just a gut feeling that he might vote for Donald Trump for Speaker. We'll see. The anger of the base is real. What has Congress delivered for us? And it's always an excuse, Well, I gotta go to Christmas vacation. It's too close to an election. We don't have enough seats. Well, actually, you have a House majority. There is no trust. Between the American grassroots and Congress. There is no trust. Trust is earned. It is not given. You don't just get trust for existing, you earn it. You get in the arena, you work hard, you produce results. Massive chasm of a disconnect between what the American people want and what Congress has been doing. I want to play this piece of tape here of JD Vance and Kamala Harris. I don't know if we've loaded it up or not yet. Pretty remarkable. Let's play cut 50. It's one of my new favorite pieces of tape here. Kamala Harris swearing in the new senate majority with JD Vance. Play cut 50.
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Kamala Harris
Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which you are about to enter, so help you God?
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Charlie Kirk
I just love JD Vance. Smiling and grinning as it's occurring. JD Vance is now the senior senator from Ohio. The senior senator. Feels good to say, Senior Senator. J.D. vance. And so therefore, J.D. vance will resign his post, creating a vacancy. The Governor of Ohio will replace him, making Bernie Moreno the senior senator from Ohio. Timing is very important with this. Very, very important. Sherrod Brown is gone. We defeated you. Casey from Pennsylvania is gone. We defeated you. There should be other retirements there soon. The fact that Ruben Gallego is a senator, that drives me nuts, guys. A rat. Jackie Rosen, awful. Tammy Baldwin, awful. However, we won some really, really good ones. Some really good ones. Joining us now is Kurt Schlichter. Kurt, the House of Representatives melodrama is continuing. How should we think about all this?
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Kurt Schlichter
Well, I'd like to think about. Is there a plan? I mean, look, I was no big fan of McCarthy. I'm no big fan of Mike Johnson. What's the plan, though, Charlie? What are we going to do if we don't have Mike Johnson? And I'm not. I don't foreclose the possibility there's a better speaker out there. Although a lot of people seem to misunderstand what a speaker does. They want the guy who's most ideologically copacetic. And that's not what he does. He's really a conductor, a traffic director, a guy who puts together coalitions and raises money. As long as he's not undermining you, he's probably okay ideologically. But again, what's the plan? Andy Biggs, you know, what's the plan? Massey, Chip. Roy who I like. What's the plan, Chip? What's the plan, I'd like to know? Because if you don't have a plan, you're going to fail.
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Charlie Kirk
And I agree. I think, I think, Kurt, if you were to ask them privately, they would say the plan is performative, which I think is silly. However, is there a place in politics for like we're at least going to put up the motions of some sort of a fight or is that just completely silly and should be dismissed?
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Kurt Schlichter
Well, look, we have been putting up a fight. We beat back that 1500 page atrocity and you know, did a continuing resolution, which is bad, but it was nowhere near as bad as what, what we beat down. So we are making progress. Look, you, we're going to take two steps forward and one step back. And I think we need to stop as a movement expecting perfection all the time. On the other hand, we also cannot never expect perfection. You were, yeah, you, you were very eloquent when you were saying, oh well, we can't do it, it's too close the election, it's Christmas vacation, my dog's at the veterinarians. We can't get this passed. We don't have to accept that. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that we need to understand that we've got a three to four vote majority. That's going to be tight. It's going to give individual congressmen the chance to be showboats. And human nature says that out of about 222 congressmen, you're going to have a few who want to get that spotlight. And the way they get that spotlight is by saying no. So it's, we're in a tough position. I think we'd be in a, we'd be in a much better position if we had more congressmen. And I think if we had Kevin McCarthy, as much as I have problems with Kevin McCarthy and I, I certainly do, I think we would have had, I think we'd have won more seats because he's a very savvy operator, even if he does make me want to pound my head into the wall sometimes. So we are where we are. We got to make the best of it. And that means acting as adults and trying to achieve 90% of what we want rather than zero percent.
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Charlie Kirk
Here is, here is the update right now is that as we're here live, four Republicans, Biggs, Cloud, Gosar and Harris have not responded to the speaker vote. And of course Carson as Democrat as well, they then get to go at the end and kind of do some Melodrama I would not be surprised if this goes to a second and third ballot. Kurt, let's assume that Johnson does survive. Are there any. Should there at least be a forcing function of more concessions and more agreements to try to make sure we don't get another continuing resolution? What compromises could legitimately be offered?
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Kurt Schlichter
Well, look, I would love to get right back to regular order, but that's going to take more than. Look, I think that's going to take more than four or five people forcing it. I think you need a commitment on the BA on the part of the entire Republican caucus. And unfortunately we don't have that. I mean, look, I've got. Today, I'm vaguely annoyed with the guys who aren't jumping on board. But let's understand the root of the problem is a lot of these appropriator Republicans, Republicans who are hardcore conservatives right up to election day. Then they come back to Washington and it's off to steak dinners and hanging with the lobbyists. We need an ideological commitment to putting the America first agenda that the American people voted for with Donald Trump and overwhelmingly in the Senate into effect in the House. And it's, you know, I think we saw some beneficial stuff happening over in the Senate where we got focused on people who were trying to be glory hogs. I mean, Joni Ernst, before she brought the spotlight on herself with this whole Hamlet act over Pete Hegset, did you know she was a giant squish who supported the Lankford immigration abomination and the corn and gun control thing? I didn't know that. I just thought she was a relatively inoffensive backbencher. And then she threw the spotlight on herself. We all saw it and boy, she beat a hasty retreat. I think we need to do that to some congressmen.
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Charlie Kirk
Really quick, Kurt, plug your books here. We got a break coming up here. Really quick, plug your stuff.
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Kurt Schlichter
Check out the Attack. It's my newest novel. It's about terrorism in America. And I gotta say, my sales are huge after the last two days because this book, which I did in conjunction with a lot of people who are deeply in the know, talks about the internal threat that we have here. And it's a huge.
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Charlie Kirk
Kurt, we'll be right back. So far there are four people that have at least moved their votes to the end. So it's going to be very melodramatic. We have our eyes on this as it is occurring. We are going, actually six people. I want to go right to the end when they are called. Mike Johnson can only Lose two people. He's already lost Thomas Massie, who voted for Tom Emmer. So if one more person, Biggs, Cloud, Clyde, Gosar, Harris, end up saying no, now they got to be a little bit careful. They got to be a little bit careful because they don't have as much flex in the joints that they did last time with McCarthy. So Hakeem Jeffries could become speaker. So they just gotta be a little bit careful. Dosar has sat out of calling his name, so has Andy Harris. So you could have potentially, Speaker Jeffries, however, you could do a motion to vacate, which they would do, and then they could reconvene if they realized their math was all wrong because they still outnumber him. So. So there are two other votes that are now outstanding of people that have not decided to back Mike Johnson. This should be a no brainer, everybody. And no, I'm not saying it in a lecturing way. We just won an election triumph. Shouldn't it be easy to elect a speaker? No. It's because Congress has not been listening to the mandate the American people has been giving them. This is a byproduct of all of their behavior. And so when will it get better? That's a great question. At the same time, it's very difficult to see how President Trump could have navigated this differently. The only play that President Trump could have possibly made here is having an outsider become speaker of the House. The only play could have been a very Stones the size of Saturn play. The only other play could have been finding someone that everybody likes. For example, the play could have been, hey, instead of running the epa, Lee Zeldin comes in as civilian speaker. That would be very interesting. The civilian speaker, Lee Zelda. That's the only other play because nobody in this entire wretched, cancer filled, tumor infested institution is going to fix it. And so people say, well, what's the plan? What's the plan? The plan could have been Lee Zeldin for Speaker. Everybody loves Lee. I love Lee. The moderates love Lee. He's from New York, he's a Trump loyalist. He's going on to run the epa, which is a great job for him. He's going to do a phenomenal job. But that's an interesting one. Definitely would have been something. But again, that's the only other play. So it's gonna be Mike Johnson, and that's what President Trump wants. And you gotta go within the body. Now, whether or not it's gonna be on the first ballot, the second ballot, I don't know if it's gonna happen on this ballot. I think they're gonna make him kind of go through the Kevin McCarthy treatment a couple times, make him sweat a little bit, go on camera, come back. This could be a very, very late night. Remember, this went on for days last time. This was a multiple day spectacle last time. So where are we at on the vote totals? I can't see that. It's a little grainy. There are five people, six people that they're gonna come back to at the end. So once that happens, guys, let me know so we can pivot back and listen to it. It's 163 to 161 right now as they are marching their way through the roll call. These roll calls typically take about 45 minutes to an hour, if I remember correctly. Remember, we became experts in this last year. They went through 15 rounds, went through 15 rounds of this. So now it's 167 to 161. By the way, some people are saying, but Charlie. No, no, no, come on. President Trump doesn't get to pick his speaker. There would not be a House majority without President Trump. How did Chip Roy vote, by the way? The camera is on him. I can't hear it. Can we turn the volume on so I can hear what's going on here? He must have remained silent. So that's another one. There's going to be a very, let's just say, high profile reveal at the end of all this. Roy, standing in the middle of the aisle next to Keith Self, declines to vote on the first calling of his name. Okay. Congress has not earned the trust of the grassroots, the American people. It's been betrayal out of betrayal. We have a $36 trillion data, wide open border. They're sending money to Ukraine. The American people are getting poorer and poorer, and this is all a byproduct of that. But there would not be a red House of Representatives, there would not be a Republican House of Representatives if it was not for President Trump. He, he pulled that majority across the finish line. All right, we have Jack Posobic with us as we are waiting for the final call. Jack, what is your analysis of what is happening right now on the US House Representatives floor?
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Jack Posobiec
One here is that, you know, we're seeing the same type of pressures that came out with the McCarthy fight, which turned into the initial sort of consensus pick of Johnson. Johnson was, you know, I don't think on anyone's short list prior to any of that. A lot of people, you know, thought that McCarthy would just sort of stay as speaker to begin with. That being said, I think it's very clear that at this point, Johnson has not done what he's needed to do to win over the entire caucus. That's why you're seeing these defections as we are right now. And he's really only there because of Trump's endorsement. And so without Trump's endorsement, essentially, he could be removed at any moment because he just doesn't have the staying power on his own, the way that you would have seen with potentially some of these speakers in the past that were more, you know, that it just had more time and leadership. And so, you know, there's. There's an interesting argument to be made that actually perhaps Johnson is better for Trump to be there or for Trump to have him there, because he's on that tight of a leash. And so we're watching to see how this shakes out, because of course, we know that if we get defect, I don't think that we're going to see like a Democrat speaker or anything like that, but certainly there are some interesting parliamentary tricks to watch out for.
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Charlie Kirk
So Mike Johnson is. Who is Mike Johnson talking? Let's go full screen so I can see what's going on here, please, guys. Trying to see who Mike Johnson is talking to right now. I don't think it's a staffer. You know who? I think that's Dusty Johnson from South Dakota. Blake, is that your. Is that one of your people? I'm 90% sure. The kind of boyish look, glasses. I think that's Dusty Johnson. Rusty Dusty. That right. No one's responding in the chat. So, Jack, what does the grassroots and the conservative base are very much against Mike Johnson. What is your message to them?
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Jack Posobiec
Look, my message to the base is this is if you don't have the votes, if we don't have the votes to put in another speaker to get someone else up there, then you've got to look towards a deal. And the deal is this. What do you want? Right? Look at it from that perspective. You're in negotiation room now. You are at the table. What does Bannon always tell us? Not in the room. Not in the deal. Well, guess what? You're in the room now. And so you've got these holdouts out there. So the question is, what do we want? Is it wall funding? Is it something, by the way, on H1B, which has been a hot button issue for quite some time now, obviously the administration, when President Trump is inaugurated here in September, 17 days, will have the ability to rule on H1B as pertains to some of these, some of these rules at DHS that control various levels of salary. But perhaps legislate, you know, a legislative fix could be something on the table too, and secure those commit commitments. So you look at these holdouts potentially as the proxies of the voice of the base and say, what do you want? What deal do you want them to carry forward to you? And then you can also be going, taking to Twitter. I would say take the phones. I have no idea if they're answering the phones today, though, to be honest. Really, just get your voices out there and then contact these various holdouts and say, these are the things that we would be looking for. These are the things that are important to us. And you've got a lot of power right now within the base because, look, we know that President Trump is coming in. We know we've got the Senate. They're already seated now. We've got this situation with the speakership. If he wants this thing, he's got to pass through the base. And the other part of it is too is you must maintain and secure your power. Don't just sit back. We're not doing the thing anymore like, you know, the Trey Gowdy era, where we just sit back and, oh, they've got it taken care of and he's going to go and, you know, take care of it for us. No, no, you need to be interactive.
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Charlie Kirk
Speaker Johnson or Mr. Johnson? Right now, Mr. Johnson is two votes short. So they could call a recess and call it a day. They could go right back into another round of voting. Let's go full screen here so I can continue to narrate. Mike Johnson is doing a beeline. So Mike Johnson, right now, here's what he's doing. He's going to go find his staff. Staff is not allowed on the House floor during all these votes. So Mike Johnson is going straight to his staff and boom, he exits the special chamber. He's gonna go meet with his staff. He's gonna go into the Speaker's balcony and have a little bit of a pow wow, a little bit of a meeting to try to work on the two defectors. That's Marjorie Taylor Greene next to Thomas Massie. Thomas Massie, who I know a lot of people try to attack him. I say two defectors because Massie's not going to move. I like Thomas Massie. I've always liked Thomas Massie, and nothing can change my mind on that. I'm sorry, he's an Independent, free thinker who loves liberty. He just recently lost his wife, by the way, by the way, he looks great with a goatee. I gotta be honest, he looks really good. So I say that by the way, with an unblemished record of heterosexuality. But he looks great. Jack. Jack, am I right? Jack sent something in the, in the chat too. So Jack, welcome to the program again. Jack, what is your analysis here of how things are going to proceed?
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Jack Posobiec
Well, I just have to comment because I saw, I saw Thomas Massey on I guess Matt Gates is inaugural program last night and he dropped the glasses, he's got the goatee, he's tanned. I think he's looks maxing. I think, I think this is the, I was like Thomas Massey. That's not Thomas Massey. And I look at him and say, wait a minute, that is Tom. He got his haircut there. He looks great. He clearly looks maxing, you know, New Year, new you. So I guess he's, I guess he's going down that road and, and God bless him for doing so. We should all, we should all be focused on, on making sure that we're all healthy and getting there on in the new year. But one of the big pieces that I think looking here now is that it's, it's very clear. So I mean you look at this, Johnson only has a one vote majority over, over Jefferies. I mean this shows you. But one of the biggest pieces that we need to be focused on, big picture here for the Trump administration coming in is that the majority is so slim. It is so absolutely slim. So when it comes to these big tickets items that the administration wants to push forward, that whoever, and I do think that Johnson will end up getting it. I do, I hope that there are some great concessions for the base. I think there's a great package that's put together. But looking forward, there's going to be some big fights and there's only going to be a few folks that it takes to hold up so many of these things. And I really think that's going to be something, the stuff that you're seeing today. Basically folks, when it comes to the question of Johnson, it's going to be this way for every single big fight over the next two years.
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Charlie Kirk
Jack, in closing here, let's say we get Speaker Johnson. It seems that that is the way this is going. It is an inevitability. He's within two votes. Think he'll clean up. Mr. I don't know anything about the self guy or Norman. What does this mean for President Trump and his agenda. And what can we learn from prior mistakes of Congress?
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Jack Posobiec
Look, it shows you that Mike Johnson, in the time that he's been speaker, the short time, the brief time, he needs to do more for the base. He needs to do more to show the base and show everyone that he's on board with the president's agenda. And what he really should be doing is becoming a champion for the president's agenda there in the House. President Trump gave him this job, and it's his job in turn to reflect and fortify and deliver on the mandate that was given to President Trump and the Republicans writ large in Congress in the past election. One of the things that I'm gonna say up front, by the way, that I'd love for Mike Johnson to do, whether it's today, whether it's tomorrow, that he retains the speakership and sit down with Mayor Bowser and I, we need to see a real security plan for this inauguration. I'm talking National Guard, I'm talking everything. We need to see it and we need to see it fast.
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Charlie Kirk
And you and I are both gonna be there. So this is playtime is over. I think you're exactly right. They're gonna go to another ballot here. I would bet very good money that Mike Johnson will be speaker of the House by tonight. Email us freedomarliekirk.com your opinions on the whole Mike Johnson saga. Seems as if we have no choice of what President Trump wants. And so that is the directional energy where it's at right now. Jack, thank you so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us. As always, freedomarliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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Matt Gaetz
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