Episode Overview

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This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, titled "Why Megyn Kelly Stayed Quiet," dives deep into recent divisions within the conservative movement—especially surrounding debates about Israel, free speech, and loyalty tests. Megyn Kelly joins Charlie’s team to discuss her role as an attempted peacemaker behind the scenes, her decision to stay publicly silent during recent controversies, and the fallout she experienced from peers and the media. The conversation also tackles smear tactics, generational shifts, the moral debate over marijuana, and the danger of ideological purity.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Megyn Kelly’s Silence and Attempted Peacemaking

• Context:
  Megyn Kelly addresses why she refrained from public comment amidst growing conservative infighting, specifically involving Turning Point USA, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, and Bari Weiss.
• Role as Mediator:
  • Kelly reveals active behind-the-scenes efforts to broker peace:

    "We’ve all been talking for months, and then it graduated to... Erica called me and it was her, it was her idea to meet with Candace... and she said, will you please be a part of that with me? Like, will you go with me? And of course I said, yes, I'll go." (02:20 - 04:26)

  • She expresses relief she hadn’t attacked Candace Owens publicly, which enabled her to mediate credibly.

    "I was very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace Owens because I was in a position where I would have been acceptable to her." (04:26)

• Outcome of the Mediation:
  • The anticipated livestream fell through due to security concerns, but Erica and Candace held a private meeting in Nashville. Kelly describes initial impressions as positive, but wonders about future stability:

    "Now, will that hold what's more fragile, the Gaza peace, fire or this situation?... My only goal all along has been to try not to take sides." (05:24 - 06:36)

2. Public Smears and Friendships under Fire

• Personal Attacks:
  Kelly discusses the emotional impact of being maligned by longtime friends and former collaborators:

  "It's annoying to me to be attacked by people who don't know what they're talking about... to see people who I consider like long term friends go out and publicly call me a coward." (02:20)

  • She calls out Bari Weiss and Ben Shapiro for criticizing her in public forums without any personal outreach:

    "Who wouldn't call me? These guys, they actually know me. I'm in both of their cell phones. They have my number." (11:17)

• Notable Quote:

  "Only cowards take to the national stage or X to attack their friends without so much as a phone call to discuss it." — Megyn Kelly (09:46)

3. Israel Debate & Fracturing of the Conservative Movement

• Polarization Around Israel:
  Panelists reflect on how lines are being drawn in the conservative movement—often testing allies’ loyalty to Israel and pushing people toward extremes:

  "It's... deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a foreign country. I do think there is a contingent within the pro-Israeli group that is Israel First. They really are. They're proving it every day." — Megyn Kelly (13:30)

  • Kelly laments purity tests and the “moral blackmail” being deployed, likening it to the left’s BLM movement:

    "It's not enough that you're not a critic. ...But then he also wants to condemn and excommunicate people who aren't critics of the critics. ...Who will be standing when Ben is done with us?" (07:42)

• Smears and Media Narratives:
  • The group explores how accusations (e.g., antisemitism) become weaponized against dissenters, how media latches onto misleading narratives, and the challenge of correcting public perception.

    "That's the anatomy of a smear. ...You could write a similar article that. The making of an anti Semite. That would start with these bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm." — Megyn Kelly (22:24 - 23:34)

• Generational Shifts:
  • Blake notes increased questioning about Israel among young conservatives, predicting a rise in overt antisemitism on the right.

    "I was telling him, charlie, this is going to be coming. There's going to be a huge wave of more overt antisemitism on the right among young people." (25:22)

4. Advice on Navigating Friend Group Divides

[Audience Q&A | 27:31 - 29:13]

• Advice for Young Women:
  • Kelly counsels empathy and inquisitiveness, even across divides:

    "If you can give them a couple of points, you're going to advance the conversation, they're going to like you more, they're going to trust you more, and you can make inroads with them better, as opposed to just being like, well, I disagree." (28:35)

5. Debating Israel & Media Bias

[Audience Q&A | 29:22 - 31:44]

• Engaging the Other Side:
  • Kelly urges studying both sides’ arguments, staying cautious about propaganda, and trusting balanced sources like RealClearPolitics:

    "The best way to argue your side is to prepare the other sides first. ...Honestly, you have to be very careful about the media on Israel because there are manipulations both ways. It's a very heavy propaganda game here." (30:33)

6. Under-discussed Cultural Problems: Marijuana’s Impact

[Audience Q&A | 31:44 - 34:59]

• Panelists highlight rising marijuana use—its potent modern forms, links to mental illness, and its underrecognized role in mass violence.

  "Today's pot is not the pot that we grew up with back in the 80s. ...One of the things we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up over and over." — Megyn Kelly (31:44 - 33:15)

  • Kelly and panelists connect drug use to broader cultural decline and loss of personal agency:

    "When you use hard drugs, or maybe just a lot of THC... it's a highway to hell, that it opens you up to dark forces because you lose control of the things that God gave you to control your mind and your heart and to keep bad things out." — Andrew (34:38)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Megyn Kelly on Smeared Friendships:

  "It's annoying to me to be attacked by people who don't know what they're talking about... to see people who I consider like long term friends go out and publicly call me a coward." (02:20)

• On Refusing Moral Blackmail:

  “He just hated moral blackmail. If you want to make the argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that. But that argument of, you should feel strong armed into not associating with him. He just despised that.” — Blake, referencing Charlie Kirk (07:34)

• On Israel Fracturing the Movement:

  "The pro Israel advocates, like, the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who are tearing the movement apart." — Megyn Kelly (14:40)

• On the ‘Anatomy of a Smear’:

  "That's the anatomy of a smear. ...The making of an anti Semite. That would start with these bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm. This is no way to get people over to your side. It is BLM, and they really need to listen to me because I have an unblemished record on support for Israel." — Megyn Kelly (22:24 - 23:34)

• Advice for Peacemakers:

  “Inquisitive without judgment, I think is the way to handle it. Love yeah, yeah, love, thank you.” — Megyn Kelly (29:13)

• On Marijuana’s Dangers:

  "Marijuana is already posing a serious problem. ...It's a highway to hell, that it opens you up to dark forces because you lose control of the things that God gave you to control your mind and your heart and to keep bad things out." — Megyn Kelly & Andrew (33:15 - 34:38)

Key Timestamps

• [01:10] – Megyn Kelly joins to discuss the affordability crisis and her recent silence.
• [02:20 – 06:58] – Kelly discusses mediating the Erica-Candace conflict and explains her behind-the-scenes efforts.
• [09:44 – 11:17] – Kelly on betrayal by Ben Shapiro and Bari Weiss.
• [13:29 – 14:40] – Kelly on the Israel debate dividing conservatives.
• [16:15 – 18:50] – Israel loyalty demands, antisemitism smears, and purity tests dissected; both Kelly and Kirk reflect on their history as ardent Israel supporters.
• [22:24 – 23:34] – The “anatomy of a smear” and how false antisemitism charges were laundered through mainstream media.
• [25:15 – 26:13] – Blake explains the growing skepticism toward Israel among young conservatives.
• [27:31 – 29:13] – Audience Q1: Megyn Kelly’s advice to young women on handling group conflict.
• [29:22 – 31:44] – Audience Q2: On civil conversations about Israel and checking biases.
• [31:44 – 34:59] – Audience Q3: Marijuana’s evolving cultural and psychological dangers.

Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is candid and intense, heavily focused on loyalty, trust, and navigating public life as a high-profile conservative. Panelists are unapologetic, sometimes blunt, and the exchanges often have an undertone of shared frustration. There is also warmth and humor—especially in moments of mutual support or self-deprecation.

Summary for Non-listeners

This episode is essential listening for anyone seeking to understand the current fractures among American conservatives, particularly around Israel, the weaponization of accusations (like antisemitism or cowardice), and the deeper toll these conflicts have on personal relationships. Much of the episode’s value lies in Megyn Kelly’s raw openness—her honesty about how she’s been treated, her attempts to broker peace, and her ongoing struggle to chart a principled path through ideological and friendship minefields.

The conversation also scrutinizes the media’s role in creating (and recycling) damaging narratives, the unique pressures facing young conservatives, and an often-overlooked moral issue: the normalization and dangers of high-potency marijuana.