Cliff Maloney (16:24)

President Trump yesterday in my correspondence that the Secretary of Defense should be fired.

Charlie Kirk (16:30)

Immediately if he's not man enough to.

Cliff Maloney (16:32)

Own up to his mistakes and resign in disgrace.

Charlie Kirk (16:36)

That's strange. Hakeem, did you not call for the resignation of Mike Waltz? Why not? Because he's not a threat to you guys. Because he might be leaking to the Atlantic. We don't know. Maybe Mike Waltz is back channeling to all you guys. I don't know. But Pete Hegseth certainly isn't. Republicans got strong armed into approving the nomination of Pete Hegseth. They would love to undo that vote however they can, but they were too cowardly to do it in public because they knew in this audience you guys would not put up with it. These are cowards. The same people that did this Jewish insider piece this morning where they say, well, all seven of us disapprove of J.D. vance's approach in the private group chat. None of them are willing to go on the record, so now they're anonymously trying to go after J.D. vance, but not any one of them are going after Ratcliffe or Mike Waltz. What is going on here? We know exactly what's going on here. This is a fault line of a worldview in the Republican Party. That's all. This is what you are seeing is the bubbling up of something that's been below the surface for quite a while. And we hoped that it wouldn't have to come to this. But the neoconservatives are forcing the hand of the actual base of the Republican Party and it's a red line. It is a hard, bright red line that you're not going to get after Pete. And by the way, if we're going after anybody, then we deserve answers from Alex Wong and Michael Waltz. How did Jeffrey Goldberg end up in this group chat? You want an investigation? I don't think you're going to like that investigation. We see it all the time. When I visit college campuses, young adults demonize the concept of free markets and think government is the solution to every problem. How do we change this? By teaching our kids the foundational principles to counter what they are taught in public school. Parents want to teach their children about liberty, limited government and free markets, but often wonder, where do I start? That's where Tuttle twins can help. They empower parents by providing quality resources that break down these ideas in a way children can understand. Take their book. The Tuttle twins learn about the law in this story. The twins learn about their rights, that true laws protect people and that we should help others and that stealing is always wrong. Children can only change the world for the better if they learn these important principles. Now go to tuttletwins.com Charlie today and purchase their 14 book children's series for your family. They'll learn to think for themselves, to stand for Liberty. Go to tuttletwins.com Charlie today. Tuttletwins.com Charlie joining us now is great American patriot and friend of the program and someone who went very viral on election evening and he's wearing the obligatory 47 hat, Cliff Maloney. Now, we're going to go through some not great news here in this segment, but that's why I love that you're wearing the hat, Cliff. Even though it might not be great news, we still won the White House. Cliff, how you doing? Great to see you.

Cliff Maloney (19:37)

It's great to be here, Charlie. Love how fired up you were for that first half. Man. We've got a lot going on. Feel like every hour we've got something new. But we've got our country back, which is great.

Charlie Kirk (19:45)

Well, look, as you know, I have a special disdain for neoconservatives who pretend to be America first to their voters. If you want to go be a neoconservative, happy, go lucky, invade Iran, colonize Venezuela and go bomb Every country that you can't pronounce, at least tell your voters that's who you are. Don't go send mailers and say, I'm America first, by the way, let's go to war against Iran. It's repulsive, it's dishonest, it's deceitful. Cliff, tell us what happened last evening, I believe, or at least a couple days ago in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Cliff Maloney (20:18)

Yeah. So Pennsylvania, we had two special elections. The first was a state House special out in the Pittsburgh area. This is a Democrat seat, 75, 25, no way to win that seat. And so obviously the Democrats kept that, which kept the majority in the House. But the major shocker, Charlie, was there was a special Senate election. This is Senate District 36. This is Lancaster, Pennsylvania. This is a district that Trump won by 15 percentage points. It's actually R +23. When you look at Democrat to Republican registrations, Republicans are up by 23%. If you look on the screen here, you can see this was a shock result. Democrats ran up the score. You see there the mail in voting, 8,000 mail in votes, the Republicans 3,000. And we ended up losing the race by about 500 votes. And Charlie, the most frustrating thing for me is we offered to run our phase program and we were told by the consultant class, hey, don't worry, it's a waste of money. We've got it. We're going to get the mail ballots in. And now we're finding out they didn't chase one mail in ballot with no paid ballot chasers. There was no program whatsoever. And so it's just frustrating for us to lose a seat like this in a time where we're supposed to be mobilizing in the off year. I thought that 2024 was going to be the time when groups like Turning Point, groups like Citizens alliance, we went out and proved to folks, listen, all you have to do is take these Trump supporters and make them Trump voters. That's a great line of yours. That's true. But the consultant class has yet to figure it out. Charlie, I'll take the blame for this. You know, I believe them, that it was going to be a cakewalk, that it was going to be some sort of just easy win. And because we rested on our laurels, the Democrats have now shifted a Senate seat and we cannot let that happen again. So I'm committing on your show that no more will I listen to the consultant class and these corrupt folks in Harrisburg. We're just gonna go do our program and we cannot listen to these people who don't understand the power of chasing ballots.

Charlie Kirk (22:23)

So I just. I'm gonna ask a provocative question. Do they really care that much about winning, or is it more just about the graft and making money? And if they happen to win, then it's a nice little bonus.

Cliff Maloney (22:36)

Well, look, I actually think it's a little worse than that. I think we were pushed out because, you know, people want to be able to take full credit. The nice thing about 2024 is we all work together, right? We all say, look, we don't care who gets credit. We just want to win. And so we took the different tactics, we took the different assignments for certain states and certain ways that we were going to reach voters, and we all just owned it. And so what I find is, yeah, Charlie, I'm looking at the reports here. These folks are lining their pockets. They're not understanding how to communicate with voters. And it's every single excuse that we hear from the Ronna McDaniel types from the previous GOP leaders. It's candidate quality. It's too extreme of a message. They're too maga. They're too America First. This is all the Monday morning quarterback you're hearing now because the consultants just don't get it. So, yes, they're lining their pockets, but I also think they just don't understand we're not the party of Karl Rove anymore. The rules don't allow us to just spend millions on TV ads and then wonder why we didn't win. It's an election month. It is not an election week. It is not election day in Pennsylvania, and it's time we actually adapt. I think the silver lining here, Charlie, is that these consultants have been so embarrassed that even the most, you know, I would call them establishment type voters are like, how in the world did you lose a Trump +15 seat? Maybe this chasing of ballots is what we should focus on. So I'm hoping this is the wake up call for all of the patriots across PA to say we cannot miss an election. We have to chase ballots in every election in Pennsylvania.

Charlie Kirk (24:11)

So. So, Cliff, here's the good news. The good news is that we know it can work in a general election. You did it. We helped a little bit, but you were the pioneer. You were the vanguard, especially to get Dave McCormick to be a U.S. senator. We have a special election problem right now. Randy Fine is in a big fight right now in the Florida 6th congressional district. There's a new story breaking today that Elise Stefanik might not end up resigning to Become UN Ambassador because it might put the margins a little bit. Now, I think that if Josh Parker became the nominee, it wouldn't be a problem. But that's a separate issue for another time. What do we need to do to change the mindset of our base, our funders, that these special elections matter?

Cliff Maloney (25:00)

Yeah, well, I'm with you. I think if it gets to be pretty close, you know, we like Elise, but I think the, the power of having the majority is extremely important. So I would double down on that. But I think, Charlie, it's what we preach for the last year and a half, which is, look in a lot of these areas, look at Randy Fines district, you know, look at Jimmy Petronas in this district, Florida 1. They have the voters. Okay. We're not talking about swing districts where, hey, you know, maybe we have to work on registration or maybe we have to do persuasion or maybe we have to message correctly. No, we just have to do the ground game to turn out our voters. So, yes. Do they need to run traditional advertising? Sure. But I think the shift in mindset, the shift in the culture within Republican strategic circles has to be taking the model from 2024 and making it permanent infrastructure.

Charlie Kirk (25:49)

Right.

Cliff Maloney (25:49)

I mean, that's what we're doing in PA. We're doing 500,000 doors every year. And I think the folks in Florida and the folks in New York, if it does come up for an election, we have to understand, if you have the voters and you said this, you're the first person I heard ever say this. Take Trump supporters and make them Trump voters. Meaning we have the people, we have the energy, but we need to double down on the ground game the same way the Democrats do. And by the way, this race in PA, Josh Shapiro had 105 full time people on the ground. He gets it. They might be in disarray nationally, they might not have a leader, but politics is business to them and they take it seriously. We as Republicans have to start understanding and taking it serious that we are going to double down, work the doors, chase the ballots and exploit the rules legally the way the Democrats do.

Charlie Kirk (26:41)

It's a major mentality issue. And also comment on Wisconsin. Right now we have this Wisconsin Supreme Court seat. We're working our tail off. We're driving turnout in the wild counties. The problem is that the Democrats, they have more full time bodies. If it wasn't for turning point action, it would be a little bit of a nightmare on the ground there. We're doing everything we can to squeeze out, but every day, let me Tell you, we are knocking on doors in Wisconsin and the team's doing a great job. Tyler and Brett, they're working their tail off at Turning Point Action. But every day we're knocking on doors and someone will say, what election are you talking about? We just elected Trump. What do you mean this is a problem, Cliff? We have to change the entire philosophy of a Republican based voter when it comes to these special and one off elections.

Cliff Maloney (27:30)

Yeah. And I think the message, you know, at the door, I'm sure, you know, you guys are getting the same feedback that we get in PA is we have to figure out a way to tie this to something that is if you want to continue the Trump agenda. And Charlie, the best part is, I mean, look at the approval ratings, right? If we can tie these candidates to Trump, that's a huge net positive. Despite what the Rove and the Romney type folks are going to tell you. People want the message. They want maga, they want America first. They want the golden age. And I think you're right, it's an institutional, it's a cultural shift. But I think the nice thing is we still have Trump to at least to try to attach onto. And obviously he's not on the ballot, which makes it difficult. But with Elon in the White House doing what he's doing with Trump continuing hour by hour to create massive reform to save this republic. That's the challenge for us, is how do we connect whatever election it is, if it's Brad for Supreme Court in Wisconsin, if it's these specials in Florida connecting that our candidate must win. It is vital that you vote because it's going to continue these Trump reforms that are saving the country. It's not an easy task. Right. It's a challenge because people aren't as motivated without Trump on the ballot. But I think that's our excuse, that's our hurdle to have to get over. And I think we're doing the legwork to hopefully deliver some strong results.

Charlie Kirk (28:47)

What is on the docket of other races that we should be aware of beyond Wisconsin in this year? And look, everybody, we're going to be in a midterm cycle by Christmas. By Christmas. We are in a midterm election. We're just months away from being well within a midterm cycle. Cliff, tell us.

Cliff Maloney (29:04)

Yeah, well, I think you've got, you know, big races, obviously New Hampshire in terms of the Senate seat, I think is going to be huge at the state that we play in. Hoping you guys go out there and help us out. We've Got some big talks there with Tyler. But look, let me come back to PA which is my bread and butter because we do have some crucial races. If we're talking 2026, we've got three congressional swing districts. We won all three of those in 2024. We don't win those. We don't have the majority right now. So they're going to be three defenses now that we're going to have to win. We're going to have to do the typical Chase program. But Charlie, let's, let's just look at 2025, right? Obviously, Wisconsin and these Florida races are going to be huge. Greatly appreciate what you guys are doing in Wisconsin. It wasn't for you guys, we'd have no shot to win that race. 2025 in Pennsylvania, there's something very interesting. The people that control the elections in terms of the election day decisions, these are called judge of elections in Pennsylvania. We are actually trying to go out and elect 1,000 of those. And that's why we're doubling down this PHA's program. And here's why it's important. If you want JD Vance in 2028, if you want fair elections in 2026, the people who get elected for judge of elections in Pennsylvania, the largest swing state in 2025, they control the election day decisions for 2026 through 2029. And so my push to you and what we're doing is we want to make sure that we have this entire grassroots army to get to make those decisions. And Charlie, you reported on all the crazy, wacky stuff. It comes out a lot of these counties with just the possible thing. But yeah, really, really focused on general elections.

Charlie Kirk (30:40)

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Cliff Maloney (36:04)

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