Wiles's Wild Interview + The Millennial “Lost Generation”

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — "Wiles's Wild Interview + The Millennial 'Lost Generation'"

Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode is hosted primarily by Andrew Colvett (standing in for Charlie Kirk) and Blake Neff, featuring a range of guest experts including political analyst Mark Halperin and others. The discussion tackles the fallout from a controversial interview with Trump campaign manager Susie Wiles, the struggles of "lost" millennial men, the impacts of woke cultural shifts, and the ongoing debate around marijuana legalization. The show blends cultural commentary with hard-hitting statistics, personal anecdotes, and political analysis — all delivered in the show's signature, unapologetically conservative style.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. The "Lost Generation" of Millennials

[03:17 - 10:21, 11:42 - 11:47, 20:20 - 25:28]

• Compact Magazine Article "The Lost Generation":
  The co-hosts discuss the viral article by Jacob Savage highlighting a cohort of white millennial men (roughly 30-45 years old) facing sterner obstacles than previous generations due to a combination of the 2008 recession and "systematic exclusion" from creative and academic professions.

  • "If you are a millennial... a young white millennial male, you've basically gone through... a modern day quasi Jim Crow in industry after industry." (Unidentified Co-host, [03:17])
  • Noted that “boomers and Gen Xers” maintained their positions while diversity hires happened mostly at the entry level, squeezing out younger white men.
  • Statistical declines cited: White men from 48% of low-level TV writers (2011) to 11.9% (2024); Atlantic staff from 53% male, 89% white (2013) to 36% male, 66% white (2024).

• Psychological and Societal Impact:
  Not only did this exclusion affect careers, but ripple effects are seen on marriage, homeownership, and mental health:

  • "Why are TV shows so bad? Maybe because they didn't hire good writers to do it." (Unidentified Co-host, [08:35])
  • The "lost generation" faces delayed or missed family formation, housing, and career progress.
  • Listeners wrote in to share personal experiences, e.g., Anthony: “I am a millennial and we're often called a lost generation. Millennials got lost and pushed aside, got screwed.” [10:08]

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2. Marijuana Legalization and Its Societal Effects

[11:47 - 25:28, Key clips at 18:42, 19:31, 20:49]

• Changing Legal Landscape & Trump's Position:
  The episode covers rumor and political calculus behind Trump considering reclassifying marijuana from Schedule I (most restricted) to Schedule III.

  • "The president could... say, 'Hey, you know what? Democrats have talked the talk, but I'm actually going to walk the walk when it comes to legalizing marijuana.'" (Political Analyst, [15:33])

  • Hosts maintain a strong anti-legalization stance, especially as it pertains to youth:

    • "If we want to defeat the Chinese, is more drug use better or worse? If we want to go to Mars, if we want to build great things, if we want to start new companies, if more employees are using weed, does that make us stronger or weaker?" (Charlie Kirk, [19:31])

• Harms of Marijuana Use:
  Charlie and co-hosts repeatedly cite research and anecdotes regarding the damaging effects of modern marijuana, particularly on developing brains:

  • "In legalized states, the perception of marijuana's harm among teenagers fell by over 20% in 10 years... making early initiation more likely." (Charlie Kirk, [18:42])

  • "Heavy weed users are 60% more likely to miss work, 75% more likely to show poor job performance..." (Charlie Kirk, [19:31])

  • “Heavy marijuana use is linked to five times higher risk of psychosis in young adults.” (Charlie Kirk, [20:49])

  • Anecdotes and Listeners' Emails:

    • Missy wrote in: "I have watched and I have seen it ruin people's lives. My brother... suffered mental health problems... He is violent, paranoid, has continual police contact..." (Listener Email, [21:58])

  • Medical Exceptions and Counterpoints:

    • Listener Raven noted, “I'm a 65 year old grandma with MS... Now I use weed. And prohibition does not work... Why do you want to take away our weed?” [23:57]
    • The hosts acknowledge possible medicinal value for elderly patients, but reiterate concern for youth access and the social normalization of drug use.

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3. Susie Wiles Interview Controversy

[26:47 - 35:28]

• Overview:
  Recent interview with Trump campaign manager Susie Wiles generated media controversy after candid remarks regarding J.D. Vance (calling him a “conspiracy theorist”) and Elon Musk (“odd duck,” ketamine user).

  • "She called J.D. Vance a conspiracy theorist... called [Elon Musk] an odd duck." (Andrew Colvett, [27:34])

• Inside Baseball on White House Leaks:

  • Mark Halperin posits the controversy was likely a misunderstanding about what was "on the record".
    • "My guess... she thought that stuff was off the record... Some of it, as you said, it's not super... controversial and some of it's emphatically true." (Mark Halperin, [28:02])
  • Wiles is generally seen as a stabilizing, restraining force for Trump.
    • “She’s one of the few people... who really has the confidence to tell the president when she thinks he's off base. And... I think he values that.” (Mark Halperin, [34:33])

• Public Reactions:
  Wiles received support from insiders, with little likelihood of her losing her role, despite typical norms.

  • "A normal White House official who said these things would be fired. But instead you're seeing rallying around Susie..." (Blake Neff, [28:02])
  • “I don't believe [she’ll be out]. Based on everything I know people are very pleased with her...” (Blake Neff, [34:33])

• J.D. Vance’s Response:
  Vance responded jokingly to the "conspiracy theorist" label:

  • “Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true...” (J.D. Vance, [33:23])

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4. Brown University Shooting (Late Segment)

[35:28 - 37:52]

• The hosts discuss uncertain details regarding a shooting at Brown University, involving Ella Cook—a prominent campus Republican.
  • “In the absence of clarity, it's notable that on a very liberal campus, you had a very visible conservative.” (Blake Neff, [35:48])
  • The co-hosts note the media double standard and a “bumbling” investigation.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Millennial Exclusion:
  • “It's bad for them. It's totally derailed their lives. Because if you were subject of this discrimination for the past five years, 10 years that ruins your career.” (Unidentified Co-host, [08:35])
• On Marijuana Legalization:
  • “If more employees are using weed, does that make us stronger or weaker?” (Charlie Kirk, [19:31])
• On America’s Addictive Culture:
  • "Please don't overthrow the government, play video games, get high, vape, and gamble all your money away that you don't have because you don't have a job. Sounds like a good recipe for success." (Andrew Colvett, [20:36])
• On Generational Drift:
  • “All the young men just being excluded from every career. And our fix is, okay, well, you can now have legal weed and legal gambling and legal every other addiction ever and just stay doped up.” (Unidentified Co-host, [20:20])
• On the Wiles Controversy:
  • “My guess... she thought that stuff was off the record... Some of it... it's not super... controversial and some of it's emphatically true.” (Mark Halperin, [28:02])
• J.D. Vance, in Response:
  • “Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.” (J.D. Vance, [33:23])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Millennial “Lost Generation” & Cultural Shifts: [03:17 – 10:21]
• Marijuana Legalization Debate: [11:47 – 25:28]
• Charlie Kirk on Marijuana Harm (Statistics): [18:42, [19:31], [20:49]
• Audience Emails on Marijuana: [21:58], [23:57]
• Susie Wiles Interview Fallout (with Mark Halperin): [26:47 – 35:28]
• J.D. Vance Responds: [33:23]
• Brown University Shooting: [35:28 – 37:52]

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Tone & Language

The episode blends data-driven commentary with a combative, culture-war edge. The hosts use language reflecting concern, frustration, and at times, playful sarcasm, consistent with the show’s unapologetically conservative outlook.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show dives deep into the intersection of generational opportunity, cultural transformation, substance policy, and insider political intrigue—delivering provocative analysis and strong viewpoints for conservative listeners navigating an era of rapid change and perceived decline in American meritocracy and values.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake Neff]

Here we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett in today, joined by Blake Neff in the other seat. We got lots to get to today. We're going to be joined by Mark Halperin in the second half of this hour. Help us make sense of some of the Susie Wiles news.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Yeah, that just came out of nowhere.

[Andrew Colvett]

Out of nowhere.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

But this was just sort of. There it is.

[Andrew Colvett]

Dropped it and surprised everybody this morning. Lots of interesting quotes. I think it's safe to say so. There's lots of speculation about what this means. Is she on her way out? Did they think this was a book interview? Lots of fascinating stuff. Obviously this is Amfest week, so America Fest is coming to Phoenix. The 18th, 19th, 20th and 21st, right at the Phoenix Convention Center. All the biggest names, all the biggest speakers. It's going to be a wild couple days. I was hoping I was going to get lot of sleep last night, Blake, and for some reason, like, I Woke up at 4 and I tried to go back to sleep.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Whoops.

[Andrew Colvett]

Didn't happen. So that's not a good sign for Amfest week. Amfest week. You need to have all your energy, all your sleep, your hydration. Well nourished, all the.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Maybe, maybe you could pull a Charlie and have one of those like mid midday IVs he got into. That man was a high performance engine.

[Andrew Colvett]

He was a Ferrari of a human being. So there's that. And then we're going to have Yael Eckstein to reflect on the Hanukkah massacre in Bondi Beach, Australia, which is still a tragedy we need to make sense of. And then we're going to have Kurt Schlichter, we're going to have a gun discussion. We're also going to talk about should we nuke the filibuster. Mark Gwynne Mullen made some big news yesterday by just basically coming out in favor of it.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

A gun discussion and a nuke discussion. Lots of weapons.

[Andrew Colvett]

Lots of weapons. And yeah, and there's also this compact article. We've got to find some time for it. Oh, yes, went viral yesterday. Compact magazine. It's called the lost generation 184. If you want to throw it up, it'll be a little tease. I don't think we're ready to get into it just yet, but 184. So it's the. They call it the lost generation. It's all about how there's basically been a whole group of millennials that are turning about 40 right now.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

If you are a millennial, if you are a young white millennial male, you've basically gone through. Just say it. A modern day quasi Jim Crow in industry after industry where you were systematically excluded. And they all got screwed.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, they got screwed.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Those are some of the people. Those are. I mean, I guess Gen Z is who Charlie cared about the most. But so many of the people who were saying are disastrous, who haven't married, haven't settled down, they're these people who just spent their entire 25 to 40 range. They got hit by the Great Recession and then just, let's just say it, systematic discrimination in American life.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess we're getting into it.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

I guess we are.

[Andrew Colvett]

We are getting into it. I mean, we are gonna bring Halpern on for the Suzy Wiles.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Yeah, we'll talk about wiles with him.

[Andrew Colvett]

But, but I mean, listen, it's. If you're turning, I would say probably between, if you're between the ages, like 35 and 45, this probably could have affected you. Right. And if you're 30, 45. 30 to 45, you know, and we rage against the marriage rates, we rage against the low fertility rates. We let. We rage against the fact that home ownership has the average meaning new home buyer is at like 40 years old. We talk about all these ills, but what is really driving down the average, it's these commissars of wokeness that came in right around.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

That's actually not who the article blames. It's not the commissars of wokeness necessarily.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, well, this is the interesting thing. So just so you guys, I think it's connected so you can look this all up again.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

It's the lost generation. It's a very long article on compact magazine. This was a huge number of personalities on X. We're discussing this. It's gonna be one of the most read articles of the year. On the right, Jacob Savage, by Jacob Savage, who is a writer based in Los Angeles and he tells his own story. He was trying to become a TV or film writer in Los Angeles, which that's long been a job a ton of young white guys get. Did you go there trying to be a writer?

[Andrew Colvett]

I was trying to be a writer. You have no idea how like internalized all of this was.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Exactly, exactly. So that's a job A ton of, I mean, you know, artsy young men, they want to be, A lot of them want to be journalists, some of them want to be film writers, some of them want to go into academia. And it's really focused on those art, you know, what industries.

[Andrew Colvett]

What's interesting though, as somebody lived this a little bit, it wasn't really artsy young men. It's really analytical, sharp minded. That's the people that are driven to go into the writing and producing fields. They're, they're. If they were in a different city, they would have been engineers. I'm not kidding. It's like the same, it's the same profile. These are like hyper analytical.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

So it's focusing on especially those slightly more creative fields or academia. It's a creative field, journalism, arts, creativity. And how around 2014 you start getting the woke bubble, which is, you know, you need more diversity in all things. You need to have more women, women of color, people of color. It's the line they had. It reminds us of things that were viral a decade ago that people have forgotten. Like there was a thing called Oscars. So white. It was a hashtag. We said hashtag campaigns.

[Andrew Colvett]

Before they got Chris Rock to Elon.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Bought X, he got rid of the hashtags.

[Andrew Colvett]

They got Chris Rock to host the Oscars and Oscars.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

So white was just everyone nominated for the acting. The major acting categories was white that year, okay? And so suddenly there was just this demand. You need to have diversity. And what it points out again and again is the boomers and Gen Xers. There's all these older, older white men who actually are already established in fields and they just froze it in amber. And so what it became was they would just have everyone beneath them would be used to hit those diversity metrics. So it's not, oh, we're going to increase diversity by making 15% of the established people leave and replace them. It's, we're going to just categorically eliminate young white men from the pipeline for all of these jobs. And that's exactly, it turns out, exactly what it looks like. All of these people who are wanted to go into these fields, they just could not get jobs in them at all. And you really think what sort of impact that has to be on one's psychology, which I know people who have gone through that.

[Andrew Colvett]

I can absolutely say, very certainly I experienced just this. I experienced just this when I was living in la where just it was common just to say, oh, well, too bad you're a white guy. Like, you know, it would, this would be a lot easier if you, if you had something we could throw out there, like, are you gay? I'm not even kidding.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

They say that, they mentioned being gay. They always will have some.

[Andrew Colvett]

Or they'll be something.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

They'll have like some American Indian ancestry. They pull the Liz Warren.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I was, I was literally like, no, I'm a white heterosexual Christian.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

And they're like, sorry, good luck.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

And then the numbers in here, it's worth reading just for all of the numbers in 2011, 14 years ago, white men were 48% of low level TV writers. In 2024, 13 years later, they were 11.9%.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's dramatic. In, let's see, the Atlantic's editorial staff went from 53% white and 80 or 53% male and 89% white in 2013 to 36 male and 66% white in.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

2024, tenure track faculty at Harvard, 39% white men in the humanities to 18%. And when that means is if you're dropping that much and you're not cutting off the people who are in early, it's that it's a total cutoff at the bottom.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

And so you just took a group, white men. There's still about 25% of young American adults, a little bit more even 25, 30%. And let's be frank, they're a pretty talented 30%. They're more likely to complete college, more likely to develop a lot of skills than some other groups that have been favored in America the last decade. And yet they're just treated as practical untouchables in a huge number of fields. And it's bad for them. It's totally derailed their lives. Because if you were subject of this discrimination for the past five years, 10 years that ruins your career. That's the period where you need to get off the ground and you're just stuck in entry level stuff. And on top of that, it fried American meritocracy. Why are TV shows so bad? Maybe because they didn't hire good writers to do it. Why is academia so rotten? Because they hired only people who filled a racial checkbox instead of the best scholars. Over and over they do that. And I'm sure our viewers, our listeners, they may have lived this themselves. Or if you're a parent, you may have seen your son struggle through this because he couldn't get a foot in the door anywhere and it wasn't really his fault.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, and not to mention, we talk about student loans, pushing off family formation or whatever, right? Buying a home. Well, if you can't even get into the job market, if you can't start the career to get up to the rungs of power to earn more money, then that's why marriage rates are gonna collapse. That's why fertility rates are gonna collapse. I'm sorry, but white men still make up a huge portion of the country.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

The line they're using, lost generation. Anthony, one of our listeners emails, he says, I am a millennial and we're often called a lost generation. Millennials got lost and pushed aside, got screwed.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Compact magazine. Anti white stuff. I mean, there was this and the lost generation.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

I think that's actually the way we link it with this weed story.

[Andrew Colvett]

Because that's a good point.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Charlie would talk about this. There's this real sense of, compared to a lot of drugs, marijuana, whether you support legalizing it or not, there's this big. Charlie would talk about this. It's a drug that sort of dulls the ambitions, dulls the mind. There is, for a good reason, a strong association between being a really heavy marijuana user and just being kind of a loser.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. I mean, I'll never forget when I was going back to my LA days, I remember I met this one guy, believe it or not, he was a worship leader.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, wow.

[Andrew Colvett]

And he was an avid marijuana user, but he was like, if I don't use it, I will get massively depressed. And he acknowledged he had an addiction, he had a problem. I just thought, why would you ever want to be stuck on something that has so much mastery over you? And. Anyways, but couple things that we need to sort of establish here. If you find yourself of a certain generation and you still think weed's fine, it's not the worst thing. Modern weed is not at all what the hippie era weed is.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

It's stronger stuff.

[Andrew Colvett]

Stronger. Way more potent, Way more potent. So let's do it this way. Actually, I'm gonna give Trump some credit here. This is Trump on fentanyl and he is 1000% spot on plate cut 165.

[Donald Trump]

Today I'm taking one more step to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly fentanyl flooding into our country with this historic executive order I will sign today. We're formally classified fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, which is what it is. No bomb does what this is doing. 200 to 300,000 people die every year that we know of. So we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction weapon.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

I mean, listen, that's a funny classification.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a funny classification, but candidly, and we used to talk about this with Charlie all the time. The drug epidemic kills more people than Ukraine, or it kills more Americans than basically anything else.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Well, I'm just thinking about how that classification. I have to imagine that means if you're transporting fentanyl Ingredients, they could just throw you in prison for life or bomb your boat or attempting to make weapons of mass destruction is a super duper federal terrorism charge.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. But here's the other side of the drug news today, which is interesting. We have so much drug news. CNN says that President Trump is considering. Well, changing the classification of weed, I think is the right way to say it. Some are saying legalize marijuana. I'm not sure exactly.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

He said, he said himself he's considering. He was asked in the Oval Office recently. Yeah, he says we're considering it. And it would be a reclassification from Schedule 1, I believe, to Schedule 3. Schedule 1 is sort of the most restricted, most controlled drugs. The other stuff on it, there's stuff like heroin, meth. Those are Schedule 1 drugs. Schedule 3, in comparison is ketamine, steroids, testosterone.

[Andrew Colvett]

Funny you would say ketamine.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

It's on the list. In the hills. In the hills.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll get to that with the Susie Wild story.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

But Charlie thought a lot about this, and it was one of the controversial things he said at least once, multiple times. I think that this is one of his positions that got him the most pushback on campus. Very much more than his abortion views, which is he just, he opposed legalizing weed. A lot of young people, yeah, really like it, but I think I do. At the same time, I think the tide is shifting a bit. I think we probably reached peak marijuana enthusiasm.

[Andrew Colvett]

We had that win in Florida. That was good. Let's, let's play the clip here. 182. His is from CNN.

[Political Analyst/Commentator]

The president could use, in fact, against his Democratic opposition and say, hey, you know what? Democrats have talked the talk, but I'm actually going to walk the walk when it comes to legalizing marijuana.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, so what are the prediction markets saying about the chances then here? Yeah.

[Political Analyst/Commentator]

Okay, so what's the chance that this actually happens? I think there's a pretty gosh darn good chance it's going to happen, at least according to the prediction markets. So the chance that the US Reschedules marijuana before the end of Trump's term. Look at this. 88%.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

You know, it's funny because you see 72% of young people approve of it, and maybe they do, but I just, I hope it changes because we. You can smell it here in Phoenix. You can smell it a ton if you're in D.C. it's really disgusting. It's a big driver of making public places feel dirtier. It's a much more rank smell than even cigarette smoke was in the past. I think Charlie had very good reason to dislike it. So I'm hopeful they don't reclassify it.

[Andrew Colvett]

We have a clip from Charlie that I wish we could have got to. But listen, I think the prediction markets are probably right. Trump's seeing a political opportunity. But listen, sometimes we disagree with the President. I remember Charlie was actually asked by our next guest, Mark Halpern, what do you disagree with on the president? And he said, weed. Yeah, weed's a big one. Listen, we still disagree. I think it's a loser drug. I get it. Why people try and bend their rationale to make it something less than that. I'm telling you, modern weed, especially when you take it young, could really cause mental illness.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

It's a drug.

[Andrew Colvett]

You could argue schizophrenia.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Legalize it if you're after 30 or something. Cause it really cooks a developing brain.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes, it does. And so do not take it lightly. We're also gonna have a debate on weed. I'm gonna be moderating it at amfest. So, Alex Berenson and the editor in chief of Reason. I believe.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Now, let's talk about the youth side of it. This is a very important thing because you might say, but, Charlie, if we legalize it, it's all just going to be parents that have to just parent Their kids. Who are you to say that if an adult wants to just be able to get high, they should not be able to get high? That sounds good. That is an oversimplification of the society we are living in. Firstly, in legalized states, the perception of marijuana's harm among teenagers fell by over 20% in 10 years from the Monitoring the Future survey, making early initiation more likely. How about traffic deaths? After Colorado legalized marijuana related traffic fatalities rose 151% between 2013 and 2020.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Let's do 194 as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

Heavy weed users are 60% more likely to miss work, 75% more likely to show poor job performance, according to the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. So let me put pause. If we want to defeat the Chinese, is more drug use better or worse? If we want to go to Mars, if we want to build great things, if we want to start new companies, if more employees are using weed, does that make us stronger or weaker?

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm with Charlie on all this.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

I am, I am. It's. He really was. He was upgrading his message on that more and more.

[Andrew Colvett]

You got to understand there, it's like our whole society, the structures that keep it up, the institutions, the morals, the values, as you keep whittling away at these things, even if it's on the edges, eventually that gets to the core. And we're seeing that across all of our culture.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Think about what we talked about at the start with that article. All the young men just being excluded from every career. And our fix is, okay, well, you can now have legal weed and legal gambling and legal every other addiction ever and just stay doped up. Don't care that much.

[Andrew Colvett]

Please don't overthrow the government, play video games, get high, vape, and gamble all your money away that you don't have because you don't have a job. Sounds like a good recipe for success.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

192.

[Andrew Colvett]

192. Play it.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, the studies are incredible. Heavy marijuana use is linked to five times higher risk of psychosis in young adults. From The Lancet Psychiatry 2019 Colorado ER visits for cannabis induced psychosis tripled right after legalization. And by the way, there's another study, in addition to the one that Blake sent me, of a average drop of 8 IQ points by the Dundeenin study in PNAS 2012.

[Andrew Colvett]

See, I miss that. You're just feeding Charlie's studies throughout the.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Blake, get me stuff on weed. Yeah, get him stuff on weed and he just start rattling it off on air.

[Andrew Colvett]

Exactly. I mean, I just completely agree now, so let's just be very clear about what is actually, you know, so what's happening here? President Trump is considering a Medicare pilot program that would provide some seniors access to CDC, CBD. Okay. And reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule 3 would ease tax burdens, banking limits, research barriers, and it could attract institutional pharmaceutical investors. What's wrong with that, Blake? Why? I mean, wouldn't it be good to, you know, by the way, CBD is different than thc. Okay, could we just. Yeah, well, so, yeah, we did.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

How about we do a few emails here?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, let's do a few. What are people thinking about?

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Missy says Andrew and Blake, I am so anti weed. I have watched and I have seen it ruin people's lives. My brother is an avid user who's been using it since elementary school. He suffered mental health problems. He self medicates with it. It has not served him well. He is violent, paranoid, has continual police contact as an older man. He has had kids, married the woman after several years, and he lives with them anywhere he is able, which is, they say, campgrounds and motels. He's lost the kids, they've been removed. But the liberal city they live in subsidizes their lifestyle. There's stories like that. They're appalling. Thank you. That's an amazing email. I mean, horrible subject.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, that is. That's horrible. By the way, I used to have this pastor that would say, you know, if it wasn't for the Lord, that he'd be divorced, childless, and, you know, drunk on his couch at home or something. I mean, and you've. You do hear these stories where these vices really do grab 100% of somebody's life and they take them down these really destructive paths. And there's 100% guarantee to not do that if you just don't even try the drugs in the first place. You know what I mean? If you don't go down those routes in the first place. So why as a society should we be making it easier for young people to use it? And Charlie even quoted that one study that it was like the perception of the harms of marijuana dropped. Most legalized.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Most people, their first thing they think too, on whether something is right or wrong is it's not the Bible. It's not really moral reasoning. It's just, what's the law say?

[Andrew Colvett]

Is it illegal?

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Is it illegal? And that doesn't mean everything we think is wrong should be banned, but it should at least guide our intuitions on that sort of thing. Things that are massively harmful to society. It might be a good idea to sharply restrict or ban them.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, and this is where we have to do our job. I mean, we're not, listen, we're, we're not. There is a, there is a sort of live and let live, I would say, aspect to American life, to the American ethos.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

You know, we have a counterpoint. Raven says, I'm a 65 year old grandma with Ms. I was prescribed medication that almost killed me. Now I use weed. And prohibition does not work. My mom uses weed gummies to sleep instead of prescription medication. Maha has us afraid of everything, including Tylenol. Why do you want to take away our weed?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that's a counterpoint there. I mean, I'm open minded to medical for elderly people, you know, glaucoma, you know, all of these, these uses. I'm open minded to it. I'm just saying what, when you, when you go on these legalization kicks, the people that are gonna get most impacted are young people.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

It'd be funny if you didn't just say you have to be over 50 or something. And America's so not used to having laws like that. We're used to just, you know, becoming an adult and everything's available. But I could, I think it'd be an interesting thing to consider because I do think the harms are so much greater for young people. If you're a retiree and you want to get B, you're not derailing society in the process, are you though?

[Andrew Colvett]

Honestly? Here's my thing. It's like people make this argument. Well, it's not affecting anybody else. I reject that premise completely because once you start removing the stigma from things, once you start legalizing things in a general sense, as you saw from the study, young people start going, oh, it's not bad, I'm gonna do it too.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

China used to be was the world's most powerful country and they went through their century of humiliations. You know what drove it? Drug addiction.

[Andrew Colvett]

Opium.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

They all got hooked on opium and they started to recover when they, well, they killed all the opium dealers.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, that's. I don't think we're ready for that. Although Trump probably would like to kill all the drug dealers. So maybe he studies history.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Maybe, maybe.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, without further ado, host of Next up with Mark Halperin is of course, Mark Halperin. Welcome back, Mark. Good to see you. I know you had some train debacle going on, so I'm glad you're here. You know, it's good to see you. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, you think I would know not to get on the express when I need the local. But yeah, whatever. Anyway, glad to be with you guys.

[Andrew Colvett]

Good. Glad to have you. You look warm.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

I'm glad I'm in Phoenix right now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I was gonna say it looks. Looks chilly.

[Blake Neff]

It's a little cold.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, well, listen, so Mark, everybody's talking about it. I've gotten blown up by like five or six reporters this morning about what do you make of the Susie thing? What do you know? And I was like, no comment. I don't know. We're gonna save that for the show. Mark, what do we make of this? She called J.D. vance a conspiracy theorist.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Talked about musk taking drugs.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ketamine user, which I don't think is actually. That's not secret. Called him an odd duck.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

He's admitted he's taken it. Him continuing to take it is more.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think we all sort of knew he kept taking it. But I mean, you know, it's just Musk is. Musk is an odd duck. What do we make of this? A lot of people say that this is. That she was. This is her exit plan. I'm hearing other people say they thought it was for a book interview that was gonna come out after the admin. What's the truth?

[Blake Neff]

Well, first of all, a normal White House official who said these things would be fired. But instead you're seeing rallying around Susie. You can go on X and see plenty of people, senators and White House officials saying, you know, we love Susie, echoing her line that this was all immediate hit job and the vice president was asked about it. He was pretty supportive too. My guess, and I don't, I don't know this, but my guess, just from knowing the two people involved, the guy who was writing it down and the White House chief of staff is my guess is she thought that stuff was off the record. That would be my guess and she didn't intend to say it. Now, some of it, as you guys just said, it's not super, like controversial and some of it's emphatically true, but it's a little bit off key for her to be saying it. She's not someone who seeks the limelight. She's not someone. It's the opposite. She puts a premium on people getting along. So like I said, if I had to guess, I guess that she didn't think this stuff was for publication. It was a misunderstanding between her and Chris Whipple.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. So let's put up 171. This is her tweet. She says the article published earlier, early this morning is a disingenuous, framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House staff and cabinet in history. Significant context was disregarded and much of what I and others said about the team and the president was left out of the story. So the part that doesn't square with a lot of people, though, Mark is. And she goes on to praise the Trump administration. The part that I can't square here is that there's this picture of all of them posing. You know, Caroline Levitt is there, right? There's the picture. So obviously they, this was, you know, they weren't done under. This interview, was not done under duress or something. So why the picture does that, what does that tell you?

[Blake Neff]

Do you know who I feel sorry for now? I feel sorry for people only listening to this as a podcast because, man, that's an awesome picture.

[Andrew Colvett]

It is striking.

[Blake Neff]

It's like the Avengers meet the West Wing. Look, look, she obviously talked to the guy and it'll be interesting to see if this does escalate her claim that the context is missing. If the guy really does have audio tapes of everything, we'll see if the context is missing. The, the, the reality is you guys know how a lot of reporters are and I'm not accusing Chris Whipple of this because I, I haven't heard the whole thing, but I've been enjoying interviews with reporters where they'll say, they'll say like, you know your colleague Mr. Jones, what's he like? Oh, he's awesome. What's Mr. Jones like? He's awesome. What's Mr. Jones like? Oh, he's great. What's Mr. Jones Like? I really like Mr. Jones. Seriously, a lot of people don't really like Mr. Jones. Are you sure you like Mr. Jones?

[Charlie Kirk]

You say, well, there are some people.

[Blake Neff]

Who don't really like Mr. Jones. And then the story comes out and it says we asked them and they said there's some people who don't like Mr. Jones. It's like, you know, she could be right. It wouldn't be the first time a reporter took the context away. Yeah, but let's see if they're audio tips. But, but again, it's a, it's an interesting story. I know why you guys are talking about it. I talked about it on my show. I'll talk about it on my show later today. But, but the norm of a situation like this where people would say, is Trump mad at her? Is she going to lose her job? I just don't think that's even a possibility because of how well like Susie is and what a, what a great job the president and other people in the White House think she's doing. So let's see if we're still talking about this tomorrow. Now, if the reporter decides he's got to put out the context that could keep this thing alive because it's easy. It's very right from the Trump playbook to say hit job. But let's see if it was actually a hit job.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

Well, one question thought I had is they talk about the prosecutions, sort of the stuff aimed at Comey, at Letitia James and she talks about that, how she sort of tried to put a 90 day cap I think is the word in the piece of on retaliation type stuff, but that he's going to keep doing it. Could that lead to judges citing this interview to justify throwing out charges? And I could see that being a way this would turn the president against Susie if he sees her as derailing something he really wants to get done.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I mean, theoretically, I agree with you. I don't know that it would be admissible and I don't know that that would turn the president against Susie. We, one of the things that this will put in short, relief for some is amongst the many things Susie has done in this job that's really well served the President is she has constrained him. When people say, in my business and Democrats say, you know, Trump decides, yes, people are at him, unlike in the first term. Well, the fact is he had people around him in the first term who disagreed with him, but they did it ineffectively. People like the Secretary of State, Rick Stillerson would disagree with Trump, but he wouldn't get his way. Trump would just. President Trump would do what he wanted to do. One of the undertold stories is when Susie Wiles sees a problem or others do, she's good at talking to the President and trying to restrain him. So if she restrained some in this area, some things, and the article suggests she did, probably in the President's interest and even the President may well be grateful because he knows sometimes he does go too far.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that's the reveal is that this is the restraint Trump. So I gotta play this clip here, Mark. Cause JD Got asked about it, a big event this morning and I thought he did a brilliant job here. 195.

[J.D. Vance]

Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way, Susie and I have joked in private and in public about that for a long time. For example, I believed in the crazy conspiracy theory back in 2020 that it was stupid to mask 3 year olds at the height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let them develop some language skills. You know, I believed in this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly unable to do the job.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, if, if all we get out of this ultimately is another rendition of, of J.D. vance's political talents, then so be it. But that is a fun way to take it. And you're right. It's almost like what you're not hearing is the actual insight here. You're not hearing backbiting, you're not hearing people going for Susie. But you've heard these rumors too, Mark, that Susie was gonna be out at the end of the year, that Trump had soured. Do you believe there's any truth to that?

[Blake Neff]

I don't. First of all, in terms of J.D. vance, greatest pivot since Bob Lanier, just, you know, move right away from trouble. I don't believe that's the case. I, based on everything I know people are very pleased with her and it's hard to do that job for any president, but particularly for this President with a very strong willed vice president, strong willed cabinet, a lot of high wire act operations. As far as I know, she's been in very good stead and good standing and very committed to MAGA on the agenda. You saw her the other day in a rare interview that she also did. She said, you know, she hadn't told the president yet, but he's going to be out there doing stuff. And Susie's one of the few people who's ever been involved in Trump world for the last decade who really has the confidence to tell the president when she thinks he's off base. And like I said, I think he values that. I don't know what he'll think of this interview, but if the vice president's any indication, she ain't going anywhere. They're just going to joke about it, blame the media and move on.

[Andrew Colvett]

I got to ask you about this Brown University story, Mark. I saw some video of you circulating yesterday where you said that the parents had been informed that it perhaps could have been a targeted hit on Ella Cook, obviously the vice president of the Brown University Republican Club. What can you tell us about this?

[Blake Neff]

Well, just to correct you a little bit, I didn't say the parents had been informed. I said I'd been told by people that they had been. I've not talked to the parents. I've not talked to law enforcement. So I don't want to, I don't want to spread anything that's false. I don't want to be involved in a response. But this is what I, this is what I can say a couple things. First of all, imagine that this shooting occurred on a Southern conservative campus. And imagine one of the two people killed was the vice president of the Democratic College, Republican, Democrats. Imagine what the media would be saying. And if law enforcement in a conservative town had done a very bumbling job in the investigation, imagine what people would be saying. Okay, that's number one. Number two, there are some peculiar things here. Besides the fact that law enforcement seems to have done a kind of a bad job so far. Most of these killers, they keep firing until they kill themselves or they're shot by law enforcement or captured. They're rare that they kill and then leave. This doesn't happen that often. Right. If it's not targeted. And like I said, three separate sources asserted to me that the family had been told this. I just don't know if it's true. I just know that in the absence of clarity of why this person is still at large and why they left after killing two people, one of which was this young woman. In the absence of clarity, it's notable that on a very liberal campus, you had a very visible conservative. So I just think it's something people, in the absence of clarity, something we should consider, because imagine if that's true. That's a very significant and big story.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a huge story. And, you know, our thoughts and prayers are literally with Ella Cook's family. It's just terrible. It hits close to home, as you can imagine, Mark.

[Blake Neff]

Of course.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And you mentioned the bumbling investigation. I mean, you got 800 cameras on that campus. I'm told that this particular building was on the edge of campus, so that's why they're relying on ring cameras. But either way, it's shocking that we don't have a suspect for something this high profile. Mark Halperin, thank you for making the time. I'm going to let you get inside, sir.

[Blake Neff]

Good to see you, gentlemen. Happy holiday. Merry Christmas.

[Unidentified Co-host/Guest]

For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.

[Andrew Colvett]

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