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My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life. And I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord.
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all right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. It is June 3rd, and what a June 3rd. We had a great night last night. We're here at the Y Refi Studio studios in Phoenix, Arizona. How we doing, Blake?
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Oh, we're doing splendid.
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We're doing splendid around here. We're going to start off the show right here. We're going to welcome in two guests. Not one, but two. We got Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action, who's been the architect of a lot of turning points political strategies. And we have the next governor from the great state of Iowa, Zach Lane. Join us, who had a huge primary victory last night in Iowa. Welcome to you both, gentlemen.
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Thanks for having me.
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C
Wonderful. Tyler, since you have been behind so much of this, why don't you set the stage for Mr. Lane here? And what happened last night in Iowa,
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man, what a huge victory. Zach. We're just so. We're so incredibly proud to see what can happen when you have people listen to the voters, actually represent the voters. How are you feeling today following this massive, massive win?
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Overwhelmed. Great. Thankful. Grateful. It's just, you know, we felt good coming in. We could feel the energy on the ground. I'm sure you heard it from your people that are out here. They're working very hard. I see them at every event we're doing. They're out there and we could just feel it. We felt a movement growing, I would say, at all my events, and. And it came through the people. The people won.
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Amen, Zach. So last night defied a lot of political odds, a little prognosticators. They didn't see this coming. And we got to sort of deal with the elephant in the room here first. Your opponent was endorsed, I believe, sort of last minute by President Trump. We had endorsed you. Some people might see that as a disconnect. I don't, actually. I believe that President Trump and RFK Jr. They started the Maga Maha partnership, and this is a continuation of this. Explain to the audience who maybe is still getting to know you nationally, you know, kind of your stance as a farmer in Iowa and about pesticides, glyphosate, so much that has animated people like Alex Clark on our team and explain how that resonated with voters.
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Yeah, you know, I think a lot of what I talk about is facing down these long term systemic issues we've been, you know, looking at as a state, you know, that have been going on for a very long time. And politicians from both sides just have not been addressing, you know, one of the keys that you're mentioning there is Iowa has the fastest rate of new cancer anywhere in the history of the world. You know, we are, I said last night, we're going to funerals of people who are dying at 60, whose parents live to be 80. We're losing the wisdom of an entire generation. So. But there's other things too, that are really resonating with people. You know, Iowa's losing our kids faster than 46 other states. And, you know, I was one of those kids. I thought I had to leave Iowa to find something better, end up coming back home. But I'm really fighting to try to make life more affordable, to help kids be able to buy their first homes, grow big families. That's really a lot of what our campaign's been about. And I think that there's this message of sort of economic populism mixed with the Maha agenda that is a winning message across the country. I truly believe that. And we're trying to weld those two things together because, well, I truly believe them. And, you know, I think you guys might know this, but Charlie and I first met in 2011. He was 17 and we spoke at the same event together. And it was in. You can still find the article in, I think, Kalispell, Montana. And I thought, who the heck is this guy? Like, all this energy he has, and he had the poster big Government sucks. But I, I followed you guys and him for a long time. And I've watched. I watched him talk about those same issues of kind of, we have to take care of the next generation. That's what election's about. So that's really what our campaign's been about. It's four key issues. Keeping Iowa's kids in Iowa, saving our family farms, making our education system number one in the nation again, and stopping the cancer crisis.
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Wow. So if anybody is out there is wondering why we endorsed this guy for governor in Iowa, he sounds. I mean, everything you just said, Zach, sounds so reminiscent of what we heard Charlie say day in, day out on this show on college campuses. Affordability, taking care of the next generation, making sure that they get to inherit the American dream, buy a home, start a family. And obviously taking care of this cancer crisis in Iowa, which is a local issue, but it's a national issue. You guys maybe have it a little bit in greater measure because of all the farming. Perhaps that's it. I want to dive into the issue that you talked about, though. Glyphosate. That's something that, you know, Alex Clark, I mentioned her before. She's very passionate about this. What would you like to see happen? Because, you know, you hear voices like RFK Jr that echo what you're saying, but they also understand there's an economic reality and you have to off ramp over time. Right. You can't rug pull the entire, you know, agricultural business. What are you saying to voters in Iowa about this issue?
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Well, first you have to look at this from two different standpoints. One is the economic issue we have. When I was growing up in Iowa, we had about 300 seed input and fertilizer companies selling products to our farmers. Now three. Three companies control 85% of the market. They need to be broken up through antitrust suits. It's far past monopoly. And so the farmers see they're being extorted on prices there. And so what I've really made the case of is the same companies that are extorting on prices are also lying to you about the safety of their products. And so the state I've watched as Ron DeSantis has done this in Florida. We need to be doing independent research on the safety of products. We need to incentivize off ramps for farmers to different types of farming, just like we do on our farm. Today. I run a regenerative farm. Most of it's organic. The rest is being transitioned in. And part of the reason I do that is because on a per acre basis, we can make more money. And that's a Big part of my goal is, you know, right now, young people can't afford to get on farms. And so I want to restore that heritage of my state. My goal has been very clear. I want farmers to make more money, live longer, healthier lives, and pass something down to their kids. That's my whole goal. And I think that the reliance on some of these big ag groups that are creating products and then not telling the truth about their safety is a bad thing. So one of the key things I'm. I am pushing for, which Alex and the Maha movement are pushing for, is no immunity from liability for pesticide companies. If your product harms somebody, they deserve to have recourse. It's a part of the free market to do that.
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Wow. Music to my ears. Yes, Tyler, please, please chime in here.
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One of the exciting parts, I think, for us, especially from Turning Point, is, I mean, you becoming governor of Iowa with would make you one of the youngest governors, if not the youngest governor in the Republican Party. I mean, that's a. That's a big deal. That's a huge deal for millennials. I mean, what's your. What's your. What's your take? And what's. What's the community? I mean, there's so many. The largest voting block now is millennials in America. What's your message specifically to Millennials? In addition to the Maha message?
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I think the big thing is, like, get ready to come to Iowa. Truly, I want to make this a place they want to live and grow a family. We have an amazing quality of life here. There's things, there's big problems we need to solve. But ultimately, that's my goal. Like, look, under the 10th Amendment, we are supposed to be competing to be the best state. And that's what I'm trying to do, is figure out, how do we compete to be better. And I'm even calling for things like income tax abatements that would go towards a down payment on a home if you're willing to move back to Iowa, if you graduate from high school here, and it would go into an account to help you afford a home. And, you know, for every kid that leaves our state, we lose $450,000 in tax revenue. And. And I'm more concerned of the culture and the heritage and the family traditions. That's my bigger concern. But economic doesn't make sense. We can give these abatements and still be in the black and help it be an affordable place to raise a family.
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Wow. Tyler. People don't understand what Turning Point Action is doing in Iowa. Zach mentioned it before. He saw our team out there everywhere. Just please give a little primer on that.
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Yeah, I mean, this is, we view this. Everyone's so excited about Zach, about Lane for governor, obviously. But I mean, this is a broader thing. Iowa is one of the most critical states in the nation. 2028 is going to be fast upon us. We have a presidential election. Iowa, everyone knows, is the first place that all presidential campaigns start. And so this is just the beginning of a whole lot of Iowa talk, which is, yeah, we got to get Governor Lane elected. And then from there we have almost immediately a presidential race that's happening. And so Turning Point Action is dedicated. We've launched Iowa 99@Iowa99.com where we have leaders in every single county across all 99 counties in Iowa. And so we're wanting to establish a long term base of activism that's not just going to be able to make sure that the agenda that Governor Lane will institute will happen, but we have a great outcome for 2028.
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All right, guys, this was fantastic. The future governor of Iowa. Thank you for joining us. Congratulations on a magnificent win last night. We are behind you.
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Thank you very much. And thank you to the Turning Point warriors on the ground in Iowa.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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God bless you, Zach.
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All right, Tyler, we're going to go around the horn. I asked you which state did you want to start with and you said South Dakota. So tell us. It's Blake's home state.
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So he was very, they had quite the primary. It was a four way race where basically anyone could have won.
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So.
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And you, you needed 35% to avoid a runoff. And I don't think they anyone got that high, right, Tyler?
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Yeah, that's right. So it's going to end up in a runoff.
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The.
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In, in, in typical fashion, a sitting governor really has no problem whatsoever making it through a primary. In this case, we have a governor who was on the ballot and it came in second place. And it was like Blake mentioned, very easily he could have come in fourth place because all four of them were relatively close. None of them broke the threshold necessary to win. And so it's going to a runoff. But Toby Dodin came in first. He's a MAGA style candidate, big supporter of the president. Turning Point Action has endorsed Toby. He's a conservative. He won out the day. There was another good, great candidate, John Hanson, who was in the race, who's the speaker of the House there. Blake's actually good, good friends with him as well, just barely came in fourth place. Like we mentioned. It was really close. But the story of the day was that, that the governor came in second.
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Not a.
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Not a staunch conservative, not viewed as a. As a staunch conservative, viewed more as an establishment candidate. And this is part of the reason why, you know, he, he did not do very well, where he lost pretty significant margins of votes to three other candidates last night. And Toby is kind of leaning as the front runner. It was, you know, pretty decent, a pretty decent lead that he had over the governor, come in and out of this thing into the runoff. So you're going to see that you want to keep an eye on this. The reason why this matters so much is, remember, Senator Thune is from the state of South Dakota, and South Dakota right now is getting a heavy amount of brunt directed at it because the Save America act is not getting passed. And so this is the governor's race. Reminding people is really, really critical because this could really start to impact decisions that are being made whether th decides to run again. If someone's going to challenge th, especially if the Save America act does not get done because it doesn't look like the president's agenda is getting executed in the US Senate.
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Well, and to underscore Tyler's point here, I mean, we've got Bill Cassidy lost his primary, John Cornyn lost his primary. You've got Mark lynch and Lady Graham going head to head in South Carolina week, I believe on the 9th.
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We're watching that one.
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We're going to have Mark lynch on the show again soon. And then you've got. I'm missing one. I'm missing one. Who else got primary? Anyway, the point is the old guard is getting challenged in ways that they have not been challenged in a long time. And to Tyler's point, if you think Thune is untouchable, think again. Toby's election here or winning this primary. Yeah, they're going to a runoff. But his victory here says that anything is possible in South Dakota and it shows. It's a. It's a temperature check of the base voter.
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Well, Andrew, you'd be an insane person if you're Thune looking at the results from last night and thinking that you can get away with not passing the Save America act, you know, so you have two things that could happen out of this, I think. One is that, I mean, there's really. I mean, there's people making calls today saying I want to run against Dune based off of the results of yesterday's primary. But you have a secondary issue here, which is is he going to dig his heels in and basically defy the president or aid the Democrats and, you know, really nasty stuff that can happen after midterms, or is he going to get on board, look at his own state, his own home and say, I, I can't keep messing around anymore. I got to get this thing done. I'm going to make sure that the Senate is called back in and we're work groups and figuring this out until the same America act gets done, because there's still a very small window, but still a window left to get this thing done before this election.
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That's well said, Tyler. I think Thune is definitely on notice now. I'm gonna play this hilarious clip out of la. We turn our attention to the West Coast. Steve Hilton is in first, but it's gonna take two months for them to count the votes in California. So we'll check, we'll check back in in a couple months. But anyways, this is a touch point. Outside of Spencer Pratt's party last night. 32, there's some Spencer Pratt supporters here
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who seem in a very good mood.
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What is it about Spencer Pratt that
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you just is resonating with you?
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Because he's speaking out against communism and
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socialism and it is real big problem
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in our cities, especially in la, where it's turned to crap. It's not an accident.
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They're doing it by design. Karen Bass wants to destroy our city and it's nice to see someone like Spencer Brown.
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I can simplify it because those buzzwords are like, they, they, they, they melt the brains of, like, left, you know, leaning people.
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So let's just say it this way.
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He doesn't want you, a human feces, to be a part of your life. He doesn't want homeless children outside. Homeless? Oh, you didn't like that? Oh, she ran away. We have someone. Homeless people outside of the element. Can I get a shout out real quick?
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We don't appreciate you. Don't appreciate you, ma'.
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Am.
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I got it.
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Thank you for navigating that so well.
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That was Ms. Now last night.
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God bless America.
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Yeah, God bless America. That's the LA I know and love. Anyways, listen, here's the deal. Spencer Pratt hanging into second, but there is doubts that he's going to be able to hang on. Tyler, I've been on more group chats with you than I can count where people are like, what about Spencer Pratt? Your thoughts on what we're going to see unfold as mail in ballots continue to stream in over the next two weeks.
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Yeah. Look, I mean, the hope I think that we all had was that it would be Spencer Pratt versus the communist and that she would take off. And I think that that's the. The commies thought that they could turn her into somewhat of a mom, Donnie, but she. She didn't take off. She. She didn't have support. Karen Bass was able to maintain her base support. And the problem that's. That's ahead for us now is that, you know, Spencer Pratt's going to have to convince a wide variety of people that to vote for him in a runoff, which is going to occur on the same. On the same day as.
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As the.
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As the midterm election. So that's. That. That spells.
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That's difficult.
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I'm going to be very honest with the audience right now. That is a difficult, tall task ahead, but it can be done if Spencer
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has the right campaign and Hilton looks like he's going to make it through as well. Thank you, Tyler Boyer. Great analysis. We'll see you soon.
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You got it.
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Hey mate, good to see you. The channel is GB News, the UK's number one news channel. And the show which I Host here from D.C. is called the Late Show Live.
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Beautiful. The Late show live with Ben Leo. We've had you on the show before with Charlie. It's great to see you again. Obviously this Henry Nowak story has been building and building and building as we found out the details of it. Why don't you just set the stage for our audience who maybe doesn't know yet what happened here and then we'll get into some analysis.
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Yeah, sure. Well, look, great to be with you. When I had the privilege of speaking to Charlie last year in London, he said to me that the UK needs to get his mojo back. That was one thing I remembered amongst many things from my conversation with Charlie. And I think this is going to be the tipping point, Andrew, for the UK to finally pull its socks up and get its mojo back. Because what we saw with this case, the murder of Henry Novak, it wasn't just a murder in the true sense, it was anti white, it was racism, it was a dereliction of duty. What happened was, long story short, Henry, young 18 year old lad, bright future ahead of him. He was on a night out with friends in town. He'd had a few drinks, although he wasn't drunk, he was below the legal drink drive limit in the uk. He was walking back home to his house in Southampton. At some point he came across a guy called Vikram Digua, who was a 23 year old, he's a Sikh Indian chap, also lived in Southampton, where Henry was from. And at some point there was an exchange of words. Late at night, Henry filmed Digua on his phone on Snapchat that he was saying that you're a bad man, aren't you? You're a bad man. There was some exchange of words and at some point after that, in the minutes that followed, it ended up with poor Henry again. He's an 18 year old boy, somebody's mother, somebody's son, somebody's brother. He was stabbed five times by Digwa using his ceremonial sword, which is a kipan. So in the United Kingdom you're not allowed to carry a knife anywhere it's illegal, it's against the law. However, Siks have a religious exemption. They're allowed to carry a knife as part of their faith. So Henry is sliced five times, including in the chest. He's slashed around the face, he tries to run off and scale a fence, and he's got injuries to the back of his legs as well. And the police are called, not by Henry, not by witnesses, but they're called by the killer's brother, who claims that Henry has levied racist abuse towards Digua. He tried to throw his turban off his head and he called him Percy. Racist names. So the brothers involved on the scene, the killer's still at the scene filming Henry dying on the floor. You can see this is police body cam footage on you now. When the police turn up Andrew, they. Instead of listening to Henry's pleas, who was dying on the floor, you can hear the blood gurgling around to his mouth and lungs. He's saying, help. I've been stabbed. I've been stabbed. I can't breathe. The police officer, because Digwa was there saying he's been racially abused, the police officer is more concerned with the fact that this guy may have been racially abused and called a name. He wasn't, by the way. It was found in court. Henry wasn't racist. It was a complete egregious lie. And instead of listening to the dying last breaths of. Of Henry on the floor, who's saying, I can't breathe, I've been stabbed, the copper says to him, I don't think you have, mate. And instead he cuffs Henry in his dying moments. You can see on the screen now, his hand pale white, and Henry's last moments on earth were being read his rights by this police officer, saying, you're under arrest. You don't have to say anything. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. And those are the last words that poor boy heard on the floor. All because, Andrew, we have dangerous progressive race theory which has cut British institutions, police forces who are now more concerned about racism than the pleas of a dying boy on the floor who's been slain in cold blood.
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Ben, it really, it's been interesting to see this case unfold because it's been happening over several weeks. The murder happened months ago, but then the trial begins and just the details start to trickle out and it just feels like at every step, you almost couldn't. You couldn't write a television episode that would hit as many beats as this does. The way he's. The killer immediately knows we need to create a story of racism and lie about this in order to try to win the police over. They literally delayed calling the police so they could work out their story. The fact that they're caught on camera, I believe, in the police car, basically talking to each other in Punjabi, saying, yeah, I stabbed him, but we're going to lie about this and here's our story. And then the fact that he's carrying a knife. A normal British person whose ancestors fought at the Battle of Hastings can't carry that knife, but this immigrant group can carry the knife that he used to kill them. And that was part of his defense. Just. Yeah, it really feels like this has unleashed a political movement in the UK that they're in dire need of. Can you elaborate on that part?
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Yeah. And by the way, this was a family affair. The mother came down and tried to hide the murder weapon. She tried to hide it. The brother was on the phone to the police on 999 saying they've been victim of racism. The father then came down and manhandled Henry's body. And just the way poor Henry was dragged across the gravel with blood filling his lungs, the police didn't bother, bother to get first aid. And what we've seen, this is a result of, as I said, dangerous progressive race theory. Hampshire police, for example, the police constabulary involved in this case, they have a race action plan on their website which states verbatim, I quote, the force will pursue offenders and deal with offenses that cause the most harm to ethnic minority communities. So not all communities, not white communities, ethnic minority communities specifically. Essex police described white people as a non protected group in a similar action plan. And what this has done, as I said, this is the beginning of the UK getting its mojo back. Thousands of people protesting on the streets of Southampton last night, skirmishes with police. The anger is at tipping point. And you know what happened when George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis. And by the way, in no way are these two comparable. George Floyd, a drug addict who held a gun up to a woman's abdomen in a robbery. Starmer. Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, everybody did who was cut, took the knee. They took the knee for George Floyd. What does Keir Starmer do today? He gets up in Parliament and he has a go at Nigel Farage for who described the incident as horrific and said that people should have cold rage in anger. And Keir Starmer took the knee for George Floyd. Nothing for Henry Novak. And he stood up today, guys, saying he's focused the Prime Minister on what lessons need to be learned. Well, let me tell you, I'm tired of hearing lessons. I said this on X earlier because they're not learning the lessons. The government, time after time, is repeating the same mistakes. We had multiple incidents in the UK of recent years where police who in their bid not to be racist or hurt people emotionally, have allowed atrocities to take place. Manchester arena bombing, the Ariana Grande concert, where dozens of small girls were blown up by a suicide bomber. The police officer who spotted that guy on that incident was too afraid to approach him with a dodgy looking backpack on his back because he thought he'd be called racist. We've had the rape scandal, the industrial rape of working class girls in Britain for decades by Pakistani grooming gangs. Nobody got involved or stopped that because they're too scared of being called racist. We had Valdo Callicane, who was a mentally ill guy, a black chap from Nottingham. He went onto the street and slaughtered three people. Mental health services let him go and allows him to commit those murders again. Two young people slain in cold blood because they're afraid of being called racist. Axel Ruderbucana, the monster who went and slaughtered those three girls at the Taylor Swift dance class two years ago, he was allowed to carry on despite warning signs because people were too afraid of being called racist. And of course, the illegal migrant boat invasion of Europe. Tens of thousands of illegals from the third world allowed to flood in. And you've got these lefty lunatics, the suicidal empathy commies. And that's what they are, allowing this to happen and promoting it because somehow it's racist if you want it to stop. So that's where we are. There's anger. You can probably hear the anger in my voice. We're sick of it. And something has to be done.
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C
You know, something that Blake said. You know, it's like the Brits whose ancestors fought in the Battle of Hastings have gotten short thrift in this. They have been villainized, they have been made the bad bad guys. They are not a protected class when the whole purpose, the social compact between a government and its people is that its citizens should come first. And the UK strikes me as a case in point. A case study of a country that has completely turned its back on the social compact. The most fundamental duty of, of a government, it has abdicated that duty. And are we going to see accountability here, Ben? Are we going to see the police officers who failed to administer first aid held accountable? Are we gonna see the politicians that wrote these policies in the first place held accountability, held accountable Are we gonna see Keir Starmer held accountable?
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Well, Keir Starmer definitely will be held accountable at the ballot box in a couple of years. I mean, labor are losing in the polls. They're getting slaughtered. But do you know what? We've got this thing in Bristol, Andrew, which is a shame, which Charlie pointed out last year, where these tragedies happen. The Southport murders, the Manchester arena bombing, the 77 bombing, London Bridge attacks. I was actually at London Bridge. Do you know what we do? And I don't know if this is some sort of inherent British trait where we're just trying to be nice and polite. We mutter under our breaths, we get angry for a few weeks, and then we carry on. And then people like Keir Starmer say, well, there's lessons to be learned. Or after the Ariana Grande suicide bombing some years ago in Manchester, the theme was, oh, don't look back in anger. Don't look back in anger. Well, let me tell you, it's about the time we did look back in anger and we started doing something about it. The two. The police officers involved, the one who said, I don't think you have, mate. They're being investigated, but they need to be prosecuted. Same with the family who tried covering up.
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Yeah. And, you know, there was somebody on X that was like, well, he shouldn't politicize this and Nigel Farage shouldn't politicize this. You're completely wrong. Actually. This must be politicized because it was politics that killed that young man. It was politics that wrote the policies that allowed him to be handcuffed while his murderer was given every benefit of the doubt. It was politics that led to this.
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So. Well, we want to dive into the protests which have erupted here. So Britain, for Americans who don't understand Britain, has a position, the Home Secretary, kind of the chief cop, chief immigration enforcer, kind of a combination of DHS and Attorney general.
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I'm sure she's a.
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Her name. This is a Labor government. Shabana Mahmood.
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So the person handling is this person. Immigration.
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The person handling immigration enforcement is named Shabana Mahmood. She also handles protests like this one. So right now I want to flag. She is threatening maximal legal crackdown on the people protesting over Novak's death in the Southampton area. And I just dug into her history and a couple things. First of all, last fall she announced new policies that I believe have been implemented to. To allow police to put conditions and restrictions on repeat protests. So this is not violent protests. This is not instruction. It's just protesting Repeatedly. Cuz she says it intimidates or spreads fear among communities. Oh sure, I'm sure that will be applied equally in this country. And in 2020, as a member of Parliament, she sent a letter after George Floyd's death demanding that the British government ban exports of riot gear that could be used by law enforcement so that it could not be used to contain riots in the United States over George Floyd. So that's Britain's Home Secretary right now. And the comparison I've heard, Ben, and you can respond to this, it feels like the British government and British police view themselves as an occupying foreign power handling an insurrection by a restive native population, which is British people.
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Well, there's a long running conversation in the UK now which has been considered far right for a couple of years about whether, you know, Shabana Mahmood is British, although she's got some controversy in my book because although she's deemed as the most right wing minister in the Labour Party in the government, right now she's apparently trying to crack down on illegal migration and so on. She's appearing to do her part, she's trying to broker deals with France and so on. I continually make the point that Shabana Mahmood some years ago was on the beaches of Lesvos, the Greek island in Eastern Europe where the illegal migration wave of Europe was starting. So all these people would come through Turkey, through Africa, they go through Lesbos. She was pictured on the beaches of Lesbos handing out life jackets to illegal migrants and so on. So I just don't see how now you can change your ideological and even spiritual stance to such a point where on one minute you're welcoming thousands of migrants through Europe and the next minute you're in the UK government prancing around trying to convince the British public that you are serious about stopping illegal migration. The stats speak for themselves. Since Labour took power, we've had 70,000 illegal migrants flooding through the UK's southern border. The government will keep saying we're doing our best. We've got deportation deals, we've deported so many people. The only people they're deporting are Vietnamese nail bar workers who no one really cares about because it's not the Vietnamese nail bar workers who are going out causing jihad and saying that they want to bring down the west and the United Kingdom. So I've had my, my concerns about Shabana Mahmoud for some time, even just on the very basics politically, that I don't know how you can change your ideology that quickly at the click of a finger. I Don't trust her to sort out the UK's migration problem or indeed protect the future of. Of the UK's sovereignty and culture and identity, which is. What's under attack here is an attack on British heritage. Britain in 50 years will not look anything like it did when I was a small boy. It's already changed exponentially in just 20 years. It will look nothing like it did in a couple of decades if we carry on the way we are. And I do not trust anybody in this Labour government right now. They are socialists, they are, some of them Commies. They cannot be trusted to secure the future of our nation.
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Ben, let's look ahead, right, because obviously I agree with you. Labor is a disaster. They don't care about British heritage. They'll give you lip service, they'll say, let's learn some lessons here. But everything's going to continue on the way it's been continuing on. Basically, let's be honest, we've got reform, you've got some other Conservative parties that are kind of around the fray. How is it shaping up and who's actually, do you trust to deal with this? We're friends with Nigel. We like Nigel. I know reform is doing really, really great in the polls, but who's actually got the backbone to do some deportation, some remigration, because you got these Pakistani rape gangs. These people need to go. Everybody with a brain knows this. I'm just. Does the UK have that kind of spunk, that mojo?
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Well, I've been saying for a couple of weeks now, whoever takes the reins of power in a couple of years, at the general election, they'll need to look at what's happened in the US with regards to mass deportations, how ICE have handled it, what problems the White House have had. That is the protest, the resistance. Reform uk, absolutely wiping the polls. They've been leading every poll for the past year and a half. They just won the local elections, which are kind of like our midterms in the uk. They slaughtered everybody politically. So, yeah, as it stands now, Nigel Farage, reform, they'll be taking government unless anything big changes. Restore Britain. You've got Rupert Lowe, who's a former friend and MP of Nigel Farage, excuse me, he's a bit more right wing than Farage is expected to be. But they have said Reform uk, they'll start a, as far as I remember, a UK version of ICE for mass deportation, certainly at the very least of illegal migrants. And then the other conversation is, as you mentioned, Andrew, the Pakistani rape gangs. Everybody in those communities who knew what was going on, whether they were directly involved in abusing white working class English girls or not. But they knew what was going on and they said nothing. There's an argument that even though they are British nationals or maybe dual nationals, they need to go as well. That's where maybe it gets a little bit murky. Have we got the spunk? I'll be completely honest with you. No, I'm sorry, I don't think we have got the spunk. You need. Something big needs to happen. Millions upon millions need to go. And I don't think people are prepared for it because as you see in the United States, you get into the weeds of it, you start doing what needs to be done and people bottle it. They get scared.
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Yeah, we're at about 3,000 to 3,500 arrests a day in the United States. Getting them the heck out. Ben Leo, GB News. Thank you, sir.
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Thank you,
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I can just tell by eyesight.
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A lot of people have been on. Yes. Okay. So as of today, over 4400 lawsuits have been filed in the US alone regarding what are known as GLP1 drugs like Ozempic. I don't even know how to say. These other ones. Wegovy, Manjaro, I think that's how they're pronounced as GLP1. Use moves from a niche treatment to mainstream phenomenon. That number is going to explode. So what are these lawsuits about? Well, they're citing a wide variety of health concerns ranging from, I kid you not, sudden vision loss, organ failure, and even death. And I'm just.
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Those are some of the worst side effects.
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Those are really bad side effects. There are currently 31 million Americans taking GLP1 medications.
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31 million?
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Yes.
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What, 9% of America?
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Yeah. I don't know what the. You do the math. Check this out, though. And you guys will have noticed what is now being referred to as Ozempic face. Show the graphic. Show the graphic Ozempic face. There it is. Go full screen. We need to see the full glory of osmosis.
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Do we know these people have. Do we know they're all.
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I think so, yeah. I mean, I don't know. Allegedly. Maybe they're just really big gym rats, but that's essentially what it looks like, even if they're not on Ozempic themselves. That's what it looks like. Okay. So here to help us discuss this issue that is like, exploding onto the American consciousness is senior health advisor from Brightcor, that's Ellie Hirsch. Welcome to the show, Ellie.
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Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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So what causes this, and how bad are the health side effects of GLP1s?
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Well, so Ozempic face is caused by that rapid, significant weight loss from the GLP medications, like you said, like Ozempic and Wegovy. And it causes the fat to vanish so quickly from the face. And so this sudden depletion, it leaves the skin with a reduced elasticity. And then you get the sagging and the hollow cheeks and the sunken eyes, and your wrinkles are intensified because what happens is the skin cannot shrink as fast as the fat disappears. But honestly, Ozempic face is probably the least of your worries. If you're taking one of these drugs, like you said, it's not only causing vision loss and stimulus, stomach paralysis, complete organ failure, but now it's being linked to mood and psychological disorders. Anxiety, depression, also hair loss, especially in women, pancreatic inflammation, and something called Ozempic breath. So I don't know if you've heard of that, but it's a term that they're using to describe this foul smelling breath. Kind of like a metallic taste, fishy smelling burps. And it's increasingly being reported these are not attractive side effects.
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Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, bad breath is basically like the chief, I think, turn off in just normal human interaction. But we're like, okay, so bad breath's one thing, but anxiety, depression, that is probably the one thing our country needs. Like another hole in the head, pancreatic inflammation. But like we're having stomach paralysis. Okay, so explain what like GLP1s even do. Right? There's like, I mean, basically it is a paralysis of the stomach. That's how it works. Correct. Or the bowels.
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Yeah. So what happens is the GLP1 drugs, they slow down your metabolism and your whole digestive process. So that's why stomach paralysis is so common, because sometimes it slows your digestion so much it stops working completely and then essentially forces you to go on a starvation diet leading to malnutrition, which by the way, plays a big part in that depression. So humans are not meant to survive off five meals a year. Right. This form of weight loss causes you to lose more muscle than fat. I don't know if you ever heard of skinny fat, but that's kind of where that comes from.
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This is what I've been thinking about with this for a long time. It's like I worry about your muscle. Your heart is a muscle, right? A lot of muscles in your organs, and it's causing you to lose muscle at some point. And you mentioned osteoporosis. I've seen is a big deal. Explain. Give me a case study of somebody that is dealing with severe health side effects from GLP1s.
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Yeah, so you mentioned Ozempic. Bones. I don't know if you've ever seen what that actually looks like, but it is, I mean, scroll stopping. Okay. Recently a 30 year old woman, she actually went viral because she was diagnosed with advanced osteoporosis only after using Ozempic for one year. Right. We know that, you know, losing weight naturally, it's not easy, but diet, exercise, and something a lot of people don't know is that there was actually a study done that showed that people who are obese are missing a couple of crucial probiotics within their gut that people within a healthy weight range possess. And when you have these specific strains in your gut, it can make all the difference between being obese or being skinny. The other thing I want to point out is just because you have a big. Oh, there it is. Yes. So there is. That's the ozempic bone. I mean, look at the difference between the left and the right. That is really scary, right? Really, really scary. So that's what's happening to people. That's just one example. People are dying, and all they wanted to do was lose weight. Right. So.
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Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Ellie.
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No, it's okay. I was saying, you know, we can joke about ozempic face and ozempic breath and other things that it causes, but when it comes to your health, these are serious, serious issues.
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Yeah. I mean, I've just always thought, like, GLP1s was, like, this too good to be true thing, and now we're starting to find out. And I always said it's just a matter of time till we find out what the side effects are. And so what's your recommendation for people that are having some of these side effects or have tried GLP1s and then that are no longer on them, but they're worried about the health impacts that perhaps they experienced?
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So, first of all, I'd recommend going off of them, but obviously, work with your doctor and make sure you're doing it the right way. But you don't have to go on these GLP1s at all. Right? So kimchi, okay, has those specific probiotic strains that I was just talking about. And tons of studies out there are showing how effective eating kimchi really is. We know it's the king of fermented food. We know it has over 900 strains of beneficial bacteria. If you look at sauerkraut, for example, only 28 strains. Right. It's a staple in the Korean diet. They live six years longer. They have beautiful skin. We know it reduces body fat by 31.8%. There was a study about, you know, a significant reduction of abdominal fat, especially in women, more so in men. And obesity is not just a sign of our health, but it's really the totality of it. And I'm sure you've heard about the gut microbiome. It's a hot topic right now because it plays a huge part in addressing the root cause of all of our health problems.
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Well, Ellie, I brought that up with you before. There was that article out of the Atlantic where it was like, why could your dad in the 80s eat a big Mac and not get fat? And you can't. And it's literally. It's the gut. It's the health of your gut. So I'm a big believer in this stuff. I want our audience to be healthy. I want our audience to be understanding how to be in charge of their own health. And honestly, modern food has a lot of problems. You can eat healthy. It's very expensive though. So if you're. And by the way, when you're traveling, we travel a lot for this job. I cannot control my diet when I'm on the road. So everybody's got this challenge in America to deal with. So we want to make sure this is available for everybody. Put the graphic up here. This is brightcore.com Charlie. And if you use promo code Charlie, you get 25% off, but if you call, you get 50% off. So that's 888-317-9258. This is the bright core kimchi pill. It is like we've got it right here. I'm obsessed with it. It was a little jarring at first, but I love it. 8, 8, 8, 317-9258, 8, 8, 831-79258. Ellie, final, final. 20 seconds to you.
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Sure. So the reason why we created kimchi one, you know, kimchi's not easy to eat, right? It has a weird flavor, weird taste. So that's why the convenient capsules we make are easy for daily use. You know, there's virtually no sodium. Unlike store bought kimchi. We use a cold process drying method so it retains all the fiber and nutrition of actual fermented kimchi. 100% made in the USA, all natural, soy free. And I do want to point out real quick the success stories that we're hearing from people and that's what we love about it.
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I love it. I'm a huge believer in this. Please, guys, check it out now. Ellie, great to see you again. We'll talk to you soon.
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G
Thank you. Sounds good.
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C
We've got a special guest in studio and that is Dr. Joe Boot. He's British. We've got two Brits on the show in one day. I don't know if I think that's a good question.
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You gotta be careful with that. We've seen what's happening with Britain.
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C
Yeah, I think that's against our rules here, but we wanted to have you on and because you are going to be part of our freedom night, which is a tradition that Charlie himself started. Now, Pastor Lucas Miles who runs tpusa Faith has taken it over and he's done an amazing job. And you guys are going to be meeting tonight, having a conversation here in Phoenix. So welcome to Phoenix.
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Thank you. It's great to be here.
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It's warm.
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It is warm.
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Yeah. You know, it's interesting. It was kind of a normal temperature, like, up until, like, three days ago. And I'm told that now begins the suck. Now begins the hot months of the summer, which I actually really love. It's great pool weather if you're into it, but a lot of people end up leaving town for cooler climbs. But tell us, what are you going to talk about tonight?
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Well, I think to some degree that will be up to Lucas directing the conversation.
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What questions will Lucas ask you?
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But I think we'll be talking a bit about what is it that really lies at the root of nationhood? And, you know, this whole tension we're in right now, I think both in Europe, in Britain and in the United States around what is it that constitutes a nation? Is there a religious route to nationhood? Is it. Is it purely an ethnic or historical route? Is it merely propositional? Is it me? This is a big conversation that's going on.
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What.
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What really makes Britain or America or what constitutes what lies at the foundation of our unity?
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Well, what do you believe lies at the foundation?
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Well, I think biblically, from a Christian standpoint, I'm a Christian apologist, so I actually think that it's God's covenant that lies at the foundation of nationhood. If you want to look at what a nation is, I think the best example is going to scripture and actually asking, well, when God constituted a nation, how did he do it?
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Yeah, so how did he do it?
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Well, he called out a people out of Egypt, and the scripture says they left a mixed multitude. The Hebrews left Egypt a mixed multitude. In fact, Joseph was married to an Egyptian. So two tribes of Israel, Ephraim and Manasseh, were half African, not Hebrew. And of course, the people pick up along the way various famous Gentiles like Rahab and so on, who end up in the genealogy of Christ. So what really constituted Israel as a people was faith and covenant, not skin tone or even ethnic background. I mean, even Abraham had eight sons, but only one was the child of promise. So what constituted them was their religious worldview and their agreement with God, their covenant with God, their oath, in a sense. And that's what lies at the root of the British nation, The Coronation Oath, 1688, and of course, the presidential oath of office, which used to be taken on an open Bible to the Covenant in Deuteronomy 27:28.
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Well, it kind of reminds me of that famous line from Ruth, right Where Ruth says, you know, do not urge me to leave you or to return from following you, for where you go, I will go. And where you lodge, I will lodge. Your people shall be my people and your God, my God. And that kind of brings up this idea of assimilation to me. Right, you see this? We were just talking in hour one about this Henry Novak story. That's so tragic. You know, a British lad, as you guys say, 18 years old, stabbed multiple times. The police cuff him, not his murderer. And now there's a lot of tension going on because I think a lot of Brits feel like they've had enough of feeling like second class citizens in their own country. So you guys got a huge assimilation issue, just like we have in the United States now. And it's getting bigger and, and larger and probably more problematic. So what do you say as a Christian, as an apologist? Your book, A Mission of God, by the way, the subtitle, I think is really apt. A manifesto of Hope for Society. What's your message of hope for the British society that's going through this ethnic racial strife right now?
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Well, our problem is that we've abandoned the foundation of our nationhood, which was Christian commitment. It was there. As you know, in the uk, there's a soft establishment. The coronation oath commits the head of state to the advancement of the law and gospel of Christ. But the church itself, not just the Church of England, but the churches across the board, have essentially abandoned the idea of a Christian nation.
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Well, by the way, the eu, when it was chartered, I believe there was a wrestle over whether or not to say, Christianity or Christendom. And they opted out. Yeah, they left it out of the EU charter, which to me is just. Yeah, says it all. Says it all.
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It does say it all. And that's our problem with, with assimilation. See, a culture that is confident and committed and has, has a strong faith, is able to assimilate small numbers of people gradually.
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H
Small.
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Yeah. And this is how Israel did it. Of course, it was very small and people had to, if you look at what God's law has to say about all of this, they had to participate in the covenantal celebrations. There was a long process to assimilation into the community. Didn't just happen overnight. There were certain requirements that had to be met. We've abandoned all of that. It's not just illegal migration that's destroying the fabric of the country. It's the mass. Yeah, it's the mass legal migration from cultures that do not share our fundamental religious commitment. Obviously we know it's not simply a case of skin color. Look at the conflict between the Democrats and the. And the Republicans. It's not a conflict over skin color.
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C
Me and Pete Buttigieg don't share much in common. Even though we share a skin.
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Exactly.
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C
Well, I'm a little darker than him, actually.
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But it's the religious route. It's the worldview issue. And the multiculturalists have not understood that you cannot have more than one God and more than one law governing a society.
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Man. Man. Okay, so Ben was talking about how maybe the UK is going to get its mojo back.
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He actually wasn't that optimistic.
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Well, he's not optimistic about deportations, which I genuinely think, you know, the UK has been invaded. America's been invaded. You know, we're arresting upwards of 3,000, 3,500 illegals every day, which is a big number when you tally it all together. Do you think? I mean, you're not a policy wonk. I don't want to ask you about necessarily that, but the point is, you know, what must be done to correct the problem.
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Well, it's a bottom up and a top down. And the different we've got. It's almost like the perfect storm of difficulties. So we've got a culture that's been abandoning the faith. We've got families collapsing and in freefall. We've got a demographic crisis, or what we would call a demographic winter. We don't have enough children. We're not having babies because we've destroyed the family. We've got a coalition.
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Affordability issues. Right.
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And we've got a coalition of the Marxist left and the Islamists who have come together in this hostility to. To our culture and civilization. So. So there needs to be grassroots renewal of the family, fundamentally, which requires religious worldview renovation in a sense, and at the same time that the surface level and has to be done. We've got, as you know, these rape gangs running that have been, you know, in major. You've got 10 mayors of major cities are Muslim in the UK so, you know, there's this kind of suicidal, empty mom Donnie.
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C
So, yeah. So if you want to HEAR More from Dr. Job, I mean, we could talk for an hour. It's already apparent to me. Founder and president, the ezra institute and ezrainstitute.com if you want to check out his stuff. And tonight at 4, Freedom Night in America with Pastor Lucas Miles, we'll be streaming that everywhere. Please, guys, check this out. This is going to be a really fantastic conversation. I'm going to be watching. God bless you Dr. Jobu. Second Brit.
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It's good.
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It's against our rules.
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It's looking up.
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The show's improving, probably. Here's what your financial advisor will not tell you. By the time the news tells you to buy gold, it's already too late. You're waiting. I get it. Everybody's waiting. Waiting to see if the ceasefire holds. Waiting to see if the Strait of Hormuz reopens. Waiting to see what happens next. But gold isn't waiting for you. It moves on fear, on instability, on the unknown. And it moves faster than you can react. So while you're waiting for certainty, the rest of the world is planning for what comes next. You can wait or you can prepare, but you can't do both. Remember, the best time to put on a seatbelt is before the accident, not after. If you're ready to act, reach out to my friends at Noble Gold Investments. They help Americans protect their savings with physical gold and silver shipped to your door or held in a tax advantaged IRA. No taxes, no penalties to roll over a 401k or existing IRA. Give them a call today. They prefer a phone call because if you tell them you're from the Charlie Kirk show, they're going to help you out. They're going to hook you up. 877-64-65347. That's 877-764-65347. The guys at Noble Gold are amazing. Colin Plumes built an amazing business and he's a great guy. You can trust him with your your advice and your money and your finances and your family's future. Visit noblegoldinvestments.com Kirk for your free investor kit or call 877-646-534-787-76465347 and tell them that the Charlie Kirk show sent you. I want to bring in Orin McIntyre. He's a great smart guy, brilliant thinker, columnist, BlazeTV, host of the Orrin McIntyre Show. You can check him out on x@ Orrin McIntyre. Orrin, welcome back to the show. It's good to have you.
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B
Thanks for having me guys.
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C
So there's so many ways we could directions we could go with you Oren, because you do think about the big issues of the day. And I guess like if I had to sum it all up, we had these primaries last night. We had a great result in Iowa, a turning point action endorsed guy we had at the top of the show, Zach Lane, who's talking about affordability, he's talking about Maha and maga, like, Keeping It Together. He's talking about homes for Iowa kids that have been forced to leave in generations past. He's talking about cancer rates. And then we see what's happening in New Jersey, where we have this basic militant force that's fighting us at every turn to get basic enforcement of immigration laws back on the table. You have Henry Novak in the uk all of these forces, they feel like civilizational defining forces that are clashing and colliding all the time. And the question I sort of have right now is, do we have the coalition that can save the West? And if we don't, before it's too late, why don't we? Because the forces arrayed against us are so vast and so demonic that we need to stick together. So it's a big question. I'm sorry to throw it at you like that, Oren, but do we have what it takes to fight back? And if we don't, what's standing in our way and how do we get there?
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I think what is ultimately standing in our way is the definition of the civilization that we want, what we're actually fighting for. I think before we knew that, we didn't want what the left was offering. We don't want men and women's sports. We don't want people mutilating children. We don't want, you know, these different degenerate forces, you know, forced down on us. We don't want the open borders, the immigration that has been crushing our nation, but we didn't really have an understanding of where we wanted the country to go. I think a lot of people looked at Trump as a general attack on a system that was not doing its job. And when we look at what's happening in the UK and what's happening here, we're. We can recognize a system that has failed its population entirely and doesn't seem very worried about that. So we recognize Trump as that actor that wants to smash through those barriers and make America great again, restore it to something we know that we've lost. The problem is, I think we have a difficulty in knowing exactly what we lost because of all the different types of propaganda and discussions and everything else that has happened around American identity. What makes America? Is it just some set of ideas? Is it just a geographic boundary? Is it economic system? Is it heritage? Is it faith? Is it tradition? Is it all of these things to some extent? And because we haven't done very much work on that, and I think our enemies have done a great job at dismantling that, we're in this constant situation where we're pushing back against them, but we're also kind of internally struggling to figure out where we're going.
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C
I think that's really smart. And, you know, you think about Trump. I like to describe Trump as like, this guy that came on the scene. Remember when he came down the golden escalator? What was he, like, 68, 69, something like that?
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He.
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He was young enough to still have the vitality to fight the fight, and he was old enough to remember an America that was significantly better. It was significantly more unified, significantly stronger in basically every conceivable way. You know, but he's also reverting. He remembers a greatness of a country that no longer exists. Demographically, we are wildly different. From a religious standpoint, we're wildly different. From a debt standpoint, we're wildly different. The geopolitical order is in a different place. So it's sort of. How do you translate that memory of what we were, you think about 1976, the bicentennial? How do you translate that to the 250? And that is a really interesting conundrum, a question. And so I guess, like, you know, if you had to define it, Orin, where are we going? Where should we be going? What is the North Star?
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B
I think the trick is remembering that all traditions have to be living traditions. There's a mistake that conservatives make where they want to freeze the past in place and return to that spot, be it the 1950s or the 1990s or whatever past moment they thought America was at its apex.
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C
I'm guilty of both of those. I've seen both of those decades.
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B
Yeah, it's very normal. And there are great things to notice about those decades. But the trick is a tradition that is lived, it is continuing forward. And so you have to integrate what America was with what America is and what it will be. And so we can recognize greatness in the 1950s or the 1990s, but also recognize that America is going somewhere and that if we want to go the correct direction, we have to steward that legacy. We have to take the best of the past, but we also need to address the issues of the present. So in ways that we can look back, we can see that in the 1950s, perhaps there was a stronger family culture. There was a stronger desire for people to have families, to grow families. What creates that? Well, it's in many ways, the prosperity after World War II. So when we talk about that affordability, when we talk about that, we can't just say, oh, well, we want the 1950s back. We have to recognize what made the 1950s possible. Manufacturing booms, the ability of the average man to get a job and care for a family, unwanted income. These are things that the GOP would never have touched a decade or two ago. And now they're more and more at the center of discussions. I think that's a good start in getting us back on the track of recognizing how to weave the past into our future.
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D
Well, so now, Oren, we've got going the other direction stuff the party used to touch but is now apparently not touchable. So you've been tweeting quite a bit. We're in the month of Pride, as we are every year in June, and there's been a lot going on. And yesterday, Representative Andy Ogles, who's been a friend of this program, he had a tweet where he said very bluntly, homosexuality has no place in America. Happy Nuclear Family Month. But then a few hours later, the tweet was deleted. He made a post saying, basically just saying it was a subordinate who made this tweet. Definitely not me.
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C
He.
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D
He's been reprimanded, and it was stupid. And some other Republicans were even coming out and kind of dunking on him and saying, oh, I'm libertarian. I actually, you know, we've always had this in America, and it totally has a place in America.
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C
And your tweet is great.
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D
Or, yeah, your response where you just say, where's the employee? Can we vote for that guy? But more generally, can you unpack? First of all, how should we approach this Pride Month issue and LGBT stuff. LGBT stuff generally. And is this a worrisome sign that I think we might be having Republicans forget the lesson of Trump, which is kind of don't apologize for being based. Basically, this is true.
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B
However, of course, Donald Trump was the guy who carried the gay pride flag onto the stage. You know, so true. Trump is in some ways a first mover in this problem. But, yeah, ultimately, I think that a lot of Republicans are still operating in this idea that we've kind of declared this neutral space when it comes to discussing any form of sexual morality or family formation or any of these things. We know we don't want men and women, sports, but generally we should just leave people alone. The truth is that, as you say, the Republican Party used to be much better on this because it actually directly contradicts the Christian religion, which we should all be upholding. And so we shouldn't be scared to say that this is not a good lifestyle. That doesn't mean we have to run around and arrest everybody who ends up, you know, dating another man or something. But ultimately, this should not be encouraged, and that should be something that's normalized. It's not healthy. It's not good for people. It is also just morally incorrect. And so these should be things that we are allowed to push back against. We shouldn't be ashamed against. And it's very disappointing to see a representative that otherwise has had a pretty promising career, promising future. Lots of good rhetoric back away on something like this because it shows weakness when you really look at. That's what happened. There was a point at which there. It did seem like homosexuality was being normalized on the right, but that has fallen off. We are seeing that more and more Republicans, conservatives, and even the newer generation are looking at homosexuality and saying, maybe we should not have gone this far with the acceptance of this. So I think it's a bad read of the direction that the base is going and even the general population is going. There are going to be more and more gender radicals, but I think there are more and more people recognizing that that came from somewhere and it was the acceptance of the initial homosexual push.
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C
Yeah. And one note here on Andy Ogles. He's. He is super based. He's really good on immigration.
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D
He's the only member of Congress I've ever heard use the word libtard. And he said it on this show.
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C
Yeah. And he wants an immigration moratorium. He wants to roll back the hard seller. Like, he's, he's. He's a good. I think why they deleted it initially, I want to say is because he said it has no place in America. And I think one of the things that I've noticed, especially in, like, the trans issue, if you start pushing back on trans, they think like, oh, it's an existential cry. You want to eliminate me or lock me up. And it's like, I think what's helpful here is just to explain to people, I agree with everything you said. Or, by the way, just for the record, but it's like, we're not trying to, like Handmaid's Tale, everybody. Okay. Or, you know, put you in a chastity bill or lock you in a cage if you happen to be gay. That's not what I say.
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D
He could have fixed it with three words if he'd said the promotion of homosexuality.
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C
The issue is, it went from tolerance. You must tolerate it, you must accept it. Now you must celebrate it. And guess what? Now your kids must participate in it. That's the line. We're not promoting it, we're not celebrating it, we're not participating in it. But you are free to do your own degeneracy if you want, as long as you don't bring it into my house or my neighborhood or with my kid.
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E
And.
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C
And I think that's an important distinction that we need to make in this conversation because it becomes this. They think you're gonna like, lock them all up or something. So, Oren, let's take stock. There's a lot of black pilling out there. There is nihilism. There is. And by the way, I'm gonna rip you off on this, but I'm gonna give you attribution when appropriate. And this would be one of those times. But the taxonomy of the right, okay, I added a fifth. You put four, but I added a fifth. You've got the neocons, you've got the trust, the planners, you've got the dissidents. Those are people that will not vote Democrat. Right. But they'll hold the feet to the fire of the politicians in charge, including President Trump. Then you got the small L Libertarians. And that came to the fore with the Massey fight in Kentucky.
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F
Right.
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C
A lot of them are demoralized and they don't. They probably aren't going to show up unless something changes. And then you got the accelerationist. That's the Vote Dem, because we need to burn it all down. We don't like what happened in Iran. Okay. Vote Dem will remake the party in our image. Okay, so I add five groups to the makeup of the composition of the right. Be honest, the grading of President Trump and the right. What needs to happen, how is it going, and what needs to happen ahead of the midterm terms?
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B
Well, I think we saw an awesome beginning from the Trump administration. Trump turned to looked absolutely insane, better than anything I could have expected. When we first saw that action taken, the executive orders were coming in fast and hard. And this is what Machiavelli actually says about the conquering prince. He should constantly keep his enemies in awe. He should be constantly moving, constantly doing impressive things, keeping them on their back feet. So there's absolutely nothing they can do. And I think that's what the Trump administration looked like at first. I think they had a great plan when it came to the executive orders. It became very clear, however, that they did not have a plan to deal with the Republican Congress. Our greatest stumbling block is the fact that we owned, theoretically, all of the necessary parts of government and still could not move the ball Sufficiently. Some of that is on the Trump administration, some of us on the Republican Party. The point is, either way, it did not get done done. And then when we didn't seem to be getting as much done domestically, we had obviously the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. We had the start of all of the different protests that came with ICE and everything. The, the bad optics that came with the different shootings that occurred there. Then we had the Iran war. And it has been a number of distractions that pulled us away from that moment where Trump was just running over everything, leaving the Democrats no quarter. And I think we need to see a return to that energy. I think it's very clear the Trump administration is doing its best to get itself out of a very difficult situation in Iran. I think if they're able to do that in a short amount of time, that will give them the ability to refocus and control the narrative because the Trump administration is still doing good things. We are still seeing improvements when it comes to immigration, when it comes to what refugees are allowed in the United States, how, how many H1Bs are issued. There are victories occurring, but they're hard to see through all of the difficulties. The Epstein files, everything that was kind of mishandled in that interim. And so you need to see a refocus on the domestic agenda. We need to stop getting sound bites about how Donald Trump doesn't care about the price of gasoline or the price of housing. He has to care, Sorry, I don't care what's happening Iran. I care what's happening to the people here in the United States. And he has to make it clear it he does too. I think if we can get those domestic priorities back and get those winning storylines back, because they are still occurring, that will be a big shift.
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D
But that's the big if. And it feels like such a struggle where, how do you overcome the. It feels like a psychological block where we can recite the domestic wins until we're blue in the face. And it feels like there's a large blob of people and they're just pissed. They want to be mad, they want to be black pilled, they want to say that's all irrelevant. I actually only care about this foreign policy stuff. And frankly, in some cases it seems they actually only care about dumping on the United States the way a left winger would, where they'll say, the US Is the problem with this world. We need an alliance with third world Islamists or whatever. We know there's people out there and how do you bring those People, if not back onside, at least stop them from actively aligning with people who hate us.
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B
Well, I don't think you have to stop every one of these people. Look, I'm sorry, I'll just invoke the name. I don't think Nick Fuentes is going to be on side anytime soon. So you can just kind of lose the notion that that's going to happen. I think what you really need ultimately, is to overwhelm them with success. We can talk about these incremental wins, and they are important and they matter, and I think that they should get more publicity than they do. But ultimately, you need to give that feeling of momentum. Your wins have to be so overwhelming that no one can help but notice. I think that was the case early on with the Trump administration. But again, due to the failure of certain procedural mechanisms, we've gotten. We've gotten bogged back down. It looks like the Trump administration went from having a small revolution inside the government, destroying the deep state, going after the bad actors, to trying to just govern the apparatus that was there. And I think people felt that shift, along with, of course, all the other things that the Trump administration couldn't control that ultimately did, you know, add to this problem. So I think that you have to regain that momentum. You have to stop worrying about trying to discipline every single actor. They'll like you when you win, when you win overwhelmingly, where it's no longer something they can deny. They will then be on your side because they were bandwagon in the first place, and they'll be back on the bandwagon when it's rolling. You can control the bandwagon, so get it moving.
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C
I think that's smart. You know, we had a guest in studio yesterday, and after the show, I started listing off all the domestic wins, and it was kind of like, whoa. Like, why don't we talk about that more? I was like, you know, murder rate, lowest it's been since 1900. We got 3,000 arrests in the interior every day, maybe 3,500 on some days. We've got tariffs that are bringing back manufacturing directly. We're actually got a closed border. DEI is out of the government. We have cut more jobs than the federal government. 350, 366,000. The lowest federal employment since 1966. These are big, big wins, and we need to go harder, but we need to also talk about them a lot more and not give in to the doomerism or McIntyre. You're the man. We love having you on. Great thinking, great analysis as Always. We'll talk to you soon.
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B
Thanks again guys.
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E
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