Will Minnesota’s Turning Point Ever Come?

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: Will Minnesota’s Turning Point Ever Come?

Date: December 30, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests: Scott Johnson (Powerline Blog), Harmeet Dhillon (Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division, DOJ), and contributors

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Episode Overview

This episode digs deep into the ongoing scandal around large-scale public program fraud centered in Minnesota, specifically involving the Somali community and programs like daycare and Medicaid. Charlie and his guests evaluate law enforcement and prosecutorial responses, the political impact on Minnesota's trajectory, and the state’s shifting demographics. The episode also addresses conservative frustrations over the pace of accountability and explores national implications for elections and voter rolls.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Minnesota “Somali Fraud” Scandal: Background and Status

[01:09 – 06:50]

• Scott Johnson (Powerline Blog) lays out the history:

  • Fraud schemes under investigation have been ongoing for at least four years, particularly focusing on Medicaid and daycare programs.
  • The most publicized case, “Feeding Our Future,” began in 2021 and led to at least 50 convictions, with some 28 additional prosecutions expected soon.
  • Johnson underscores that the media surge is thanks to viral content like Nick Shirley’s investigative video but clarifies, "These matters are under investigation by the FBI and are being prosecuted..." ([05:40])
  • Notable quote:
    • "Minnesota is drowning in fraud. The volume of fraud is beyond the capacity of [the U.S. Attorney’s] office to remedy by prosecution alone." – Scott Johnson, paraphrased from his blog ([06:50])

• Law enforcement stretched thin:

  • Only five to six prosecutors working on these cases at the U.S. Attorney’s Office, limiting the speed of prosecutions.

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The Scope and Evolution of the Fraud

[07:47 – 09:00]

• The original investigation (“Feeding Our Future”) revealed $300 million in fraud with indictments growing from 47 to over 70 as authorities followed the money through various public programs.
• The fraud became a multiplying phenomenon as overlapping “cast of characters” surfaced in new cases:
  • “The defendants... are basically a white woman who set up this Feeding Our Future nonprofit and recruited a Somali cast of characters to run these fraudulent program[s] around the state.” – Scott Johnson ([08:19])

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Political Implications: Why Isn’t Minnesota Turning Red?

[09:00 – 10:18]

• Johnson attributes the state’s stubborn Democratic dominance to massive margins in Hennepin County (Minneapolis), driven in part by the Somali community’s voting bloc.
• Rural Minnesota is reliably Republican, but the urban vote outweighs it:
  • "If it doesn't happen in 2026, we've really got a problem." – Scott Johnson ([09:54])

[11:27 – 15:00]

• Discussion of the demographic shift and size of the Somali voting bloc; estimates range from 80,000 to 200,000.

• Trump’s margin of defeat in 2024 was 138,000 votes, paralleling estimates of the Somali bloc’s size ([15:00]).

• On Democratic defenses:

  • Governor Tim Walz and others label critics ‘white supremacists’ to delegitimize investigation.
    • "Governor Tim Walz is saying... you’re doing it because you’re white supremacists. What is your response to him?" – [12:03]
    • Response: Votes are the motivation, not racism ([12:13]).

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National and Broader Trends

[16:12 – 20:44]

• Fraud schemes are spreading to other states with large Somali populations (Ohio, Washington).

• The fraud connects to earlier issues, including terrorism trials involving Somali Minnesotans attempting to join ISIS in 2016.

• Memorable moment: Johnson recalls how even educated assimilated individuals exploited systems:

  • "One of the defendants pulled out $500 on a debit card from his student loan to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get to ISIS." ([17:40])

• Ongoing suspicions that some program money is sent abroad, possibly linked to extremism—though not substantiated.

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Accountability and the Role of Public Officials

[20:11 – 21:53]

• Johnson points out both Governor Tim Walz and Attorney General Keith Ellison have avoided substantive interviews on their knowledge or complicity in the fraud.
  • "It's unbelievable. You know, these guys have specialized in either looking the other way or facilitating." ([21:48])

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Department of Justice Efforts & Conservative Base Frustrations

[24:25 – 27:53]

• Harmeet Dhillon addresses online right-wing frustrations about lack of high-profile arrests in the fraud cases and clarifies misconceptions about statutes of limitations.

  • Many convictions and ongoing investigations exist—just not at the speed the base desires.
  • “We have actually indicted 99 people so far. And we're just getting started. In the Minnesota Somali fraud rings, so far, there are over 60 convictions...” – Harmeet Dhillon ([27:53])
  • Emphasizes importance of building airtight cases, especially against public officials.

• Discusses challenge of prosecuting sitting officials due to legal hurdles and political control over prosecutor appointments in blue states ([32:00 – 35:47]).

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Election Integrity and Future Directions

[37:25 – 42:08]

• Harmeet Dhillon describes work to force states to clean up their voter rolls; 23 lawsuits, voluntary compliance from 13 states.
  • "We are hiring very aggressively. So if anybody... is a lawyer who wants to help clean up our voter rolls... we're looking to hire people on that." ([38:20])
• Minnesota’s lax voter verification procedures cited as ripe for abuse:
  • “You can bring your eight Somali buds in and say, I vouch for the person’s address. That's all you need. You don’t need a utility bill. You don’t need anything but some potential fraudsters vouching. That’s insane.” – Harmeet Dhillon ([41:29])
• Acknowledgment of a significant rightward shift in conservative rhetoric and policy focus since 2015 ([40:16 – 41:29]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Scott Johnson:

  • “Minnesota is drowning in fraud... The volume of fraud is beyond the capacity of [the U.S. Attorney’s] office to remedy by prosecution alone.” ([06:50])
  • "If it doesn't happen in 2026, we've really got a problem." ([09:54])
  • “It's unbelievable. You know, these guys have specialized in either looking the other way or facilitating.” ([21:53])
  • "One of the defendants pulled out $500 on a debit card from his student loan to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get to ISIS." ([17:40])

• Harmeet Dhillon:

  • "We have actually indicted 99 people so far. And we're just getting started. In the Minnesota Somali fraud rings, so far, there are over 60 convictions..." ([27:53])
  • “If you cracked open a browser and did a little bit of research, you would find that there have been many arrests, many convictions, many indictments and ongoing investigations here.” ([29:55])
  • “You can bring your eight Somali buds in and say, I vouch for the person’s address. That's all you need... That’s insane. You can’t run a country like that.” ([41:29])

• On political rhetoric:

  • "Now Tom Emmer is on Fox, basically calling for prosecutions and accountability...the tone and tenor of the entire conservative movement...we are light years ahead of where we were a decade ago." ([40:09])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:09] – Start of in-depth Minnesota fraud discussion with Scott Johnson
• [05:40] – FBI/DOJ investigations, under-resourced offices
• [09:00] – Why doesn’t Minnesota turn red?
• [12:13] – The “white supremacist” label debate and Democratic responses
• [15:00] – Somali voting block and election results math
• [17:40] – ISIS trial anecdote: student loans used for terror financing
• [20:44] – Accountability: What did state officials know and when?
• [24:25] – Harmeet Dhillon on conservative online misinformation and DOJ progress
• [27:53] – Convictions, investigations, and the case for patience
• [32:00] – What it takes to indict a sitting governor; blue state obstacles
• [37:25] – DOJ efforts on election integrity and voter roll lawsuits
• [41:29] – Minnesota’s vulnerability to voter fraud; “voucher” system critique

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Conclusion

The episode paints a detailed portrait of systemic public program fraud in Minnesota, and the slow grind of justice in the face of limited prosecutorial resources and complex political realities. While conservative activists and listeners express frustration with the pace of accountability, guests clarify that substantial progress is actually being made, but that building prosecutable cases—particularly against powerful officials—requires rigor and time. The conversation is a call for encouraging activist patience, ongoing grassroots work, and greater energy toward election integrity reforms.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[B]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Hour two is underway. We are actually going to be joined now by Scott Johnson from the Powerline blog, one of the groups that has been investigating the Minnesota fraud within the Somali community specifically for a lot longer than the public is now aware of, at least the vast majority of them. So, Scott, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Thanks for making the time. Blake is the one who turned me on to your reporting and your investigative work, so I'm gonna let him take the lead here because what you've been doing needs to. More people need to know about it. Scott.

[C]

Hey, Scott.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Welcome to the show. I'm a big fan of Powerline. You guys are. I think you guys have literally been blogging before they actually came up with the word blog, which is quite. I think you were in, like, the original Time magazine article about it and all that. Big fan of you guys. And I, I. What I like about what you guys have really pointed out, you've had a lot of posts on this explosion of interest in the Somali story. And what you've pointed out is this is not. It's not truly a new story. Even Nick Shirley, he's not. He's not even the first person to go around knocking on the doors of daycares. And so I thought we could set this up by. You could just explain a little bit about what, you know, as a conservative on the ground in Minnesota, what the real state of affairs is and what is the best thing that could happen if we want to see accountability for this. And I guess let's be obvious like useful policy developments at the national level as a result of this scandal.

[D]

Well, that's, that's a big question. The last time you had me on Blake, it was to talk in the aftermath of the controversy that Chris Ruffo had raised with a City Journal column this past November. And it created a huge impact all around the country because President Trump attended to that matter. And all of a sudden there were, there were calls for investigation coming from all over the country directed at the United States Attorney for Minnesota and the local FBI office here. But in fact, the case that Rufo wrote about, the fraud cases that have, that have been drawn to his attention are four years old. They're going to be, let's see, since 2021, they've been under investigation by the FBI. There have been at least 50 convictions in those cases. There are about 28 more maybe to go.

[B]

And.

[D]

This round of controversy is created by this incredible video that Nick Shirley created, knocking on doors around the Twin Cities to demonstrate the level of fraud in one aspect of these cases that is also under investigation and also being charged. And that's the thing I would like your audience to know more than anything else is that these matters are under investigation by the FBI and they are being prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Minnesota. And whatever credit you give to me for covering these cases comes from the fact that I have followed. I, I've attended the press conferences called by the U.S. attorney here and I've attended the trials held in these cases here. And this is all from my perspective, old news. Now, what's the name of the gentleman you were going to have on this afternoon?

[B]

Nick Shirley.

[D]

Nick Shirley. You know, I'm still, I'm just inundated with questions about this. But Shirley's video focuses on one aspect of the frauds that are being investigated here, the daycare frauds. And he, he highlights in the video an office in The City of St. Paul called the Briggs Midway Building that had 22 offices that were devoted to some aspect of these frauds. And the funny thing is that office building was raided in July. And, and at the time I posted the one of the search warrants that was executed in July on Power Line. And then in September, several of those cases out of the Griggs Midway building were charged. Now, the first charge cases involve another Medicaid fraud. Minnesota Medicaid has 14 waivered programs and daycare has been a long standing problem. But the first charge cases that have come out of the Griggs Midway Building in St. Paul are in Housing Stabilization Services, which seems to be a fraud of the kind that Nick Shirley is exposing in this video that has gone viral. So the one thing I would like your audience to know is that this matter, to use President Trump's term, is being attended to. The FBI is investigating it, and the cases are being charged. There are more that will be charged this week. If there's a problem, it's that the United States Attorney's Office for Minnesota is not huge. There might be five or six prosecutors working on these cases and a team of FBI agents. If anything, it's time to send in reinforcements. But the matter, this is not news. It does not need to be investigated in the sense that a case needs to be open. It is under investigation, and the cases are being charged.

[C]

Yeah, it's interesting. I want to read a line from your post this morning. It says, before Nick Shirley and after. And you say Joe Thompson, the U.S. attorney for Minnesota, has all but shouted the point from the rooftop. Minnesota is drowning in fraud. To put it another way, Thompson was shouting, wake up. The volume of fraud is beyond the capacity of his office to remedy by prosecution alone. And you asked him, okay, are there more people you could charge and do they match basically the, the appearance of the cases we've seen so far? In other words, are there more Somali fraud cases that he's just been unable to get to and he told you, yes. So we have the evidence, we have the cases. It seems that we literally just have a case where we need more prosecutors and more manpower to, to bring the paperwork charges. Is that the situation as I do I understand it correctly, you know, to.

[D]

Go back to the beginning, which, which is the, the searches and indictments that were handed up in the year 2022 out of the investigation that began in 2021, were in this Feeding Our Future fraud that involved $300 million. The, the original indictments, there was a 40, a set of 47 indictments that were handed up by the grand jury in September 2022. And those, those cases have multiplied. They're up to 70 some now. And that's how these subsequent frauds were discovered is that Joe Thompson and the FBI, as they followed the money coming, coming out of, out of Medicaid to, and this Feeding Our Future, as they followed the money, they found this some of the same cast of characters. The, the defendants in the Feeding Our Future case are basically a white woman who set up this Feeding Our Future nonprofit and recruited Somali, a Somali cast of characters to run these fraudulent program programs around the State. So you that's how it happened is that this thing has been under investigation for four years.

[C]

I wanted to. You've watched Minnesota politics for a long time and it's always struck me as a state. It seems like it should be a purple or red state by now. Like it should follow the arc of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, move a bit to the right. Yet it's always been this white whale. It never seems to happen, even when it seems like this. A scandal like this should be a huge feeding frenzy for a state Republican. And you guys have good local conservative leaning investigators. Alpha news, you guys, what's going on? Why does Minnesota never seem to reach that turning point that it seems like it should?

[D]

Well, I hate to point the finger at the Somali community again, but you know, the problem is Hennepin county, which is the county in which Minneapolis sits and the Democratic majority there is so huge, including a large component of Somali voters, that it makes up for the Democrats weakness in rural Minnesota and they do lose out state. Minnesota has shifted. It is a purple state in the sense that rural counties are basically Republican and St. Paul and Minneapolis are Democrats. So we need to do a little bit better in the cities. It's been a long time since a Republican won a statewide election here. If it doesn't happen in 2026, we've really got a problem.

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You know, it's interesting. I'm not exactly sure what the precise number of Somali voters are now in Hennepin county, but it's massive. We're talking at least over 100,000. Some have said 200,000. So that's a huge voting block. I don't know what the margin of defeat for Trump was in Minnesota, Blake, if you've got that handy. But I'd be surprised if it was much higher than 200,000. But we'll check. You mentioned this voting block and Nick Shirley, who we've been talking about, who's actually he's had to reschedule with us. He'll be on tomorrow. Mentions this exact thing.

[F]

118Governor Tim Walz is saying that you and others that are out there trying to expose this, you're doing it because you're white supremacists. What is your response to him?

[G]

Yeah, Tim wants votes. There are entire apartment complexes where white people have been pushed out of these apartment complexes because Somalians have taken over. And they're inside of these towns like Minneapolis, where they can go and go get votes from these people. And if you have 100,000 people that will vote for you because you're going to enable and let this stuff happen, and because you're going to call white person racist for calling out facts, this is what's going to happen to a state like Minnesota. Minnesotans, they say Minnesota, nice. But they are very upset. And I totally understand why they're upset because they don't have a governor who's actually working for them, that he's actually working against them.

[C]

I guess what I'm wondering is I just checked and Trump lost. President Trump lost Minnesota by about one and a half points in 2016. He lost by more in 2020. And in 2024, he lost by four points. So it actually has shifted a little bit bluer over the past eight years. Is that just a demographic effect or do you think is there something, is there something to that you'll always hear from outside Minnesota. People will say it's that Scandinavian psychology. So I guess I'd ask what you think of that. And also just in general, I know you say it's not a news story there, but it is getting a lot of attention. Is this the sort of thing people are talking about all the time there? Is it taking over discourse in the state in a way it didn't before?

[D]

I think the point that Nick Shirley made in the video that you played is absolutely right. It's hard to convey the level of impress on the one hand and anger on the other that this story generates. Know, people feel like they're being treated as chumps and they're really mad about it. And I can't think of a comparable, you know, issue of public affairs in the past 10 years in Minnesota that has generated this level of interest. It's had a huge impact. President Trump had an impact in 2016. I think one effect he had was turning suburbs around in Hennepin county around the Twin Cities lure, you know, because. Because the suburban voters don't like his style or whatever. I really haven't thought about the question that you're raising right now and hesitate to say more about the political impact and. And so on. But I do think that we need a serious Republican candidate at the top of the ticket. In 2026, we had a weak Republican gubernatorial candidate in 2022. It brought down competitive candidates under him. If we have several good candidates running for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in 2026, and if one of them gets the nomination and is endorsed, I think we'll win.

[B]

Yes, we can hope, man.

[C]

We can hope.

[B]

Just, just so we're just, just so we're clear, the raw vote. The raw vote difference in 2024 in Minnesota was 138,100 votes. So Donald Trump received 1.5, essentially. Harris received 1.65. So it was 138,000 raw votes that Minnesota was won by. And if you think the Somali community, which has been largely imported since the late 90s, I mean, let's say it's over 200,000. I mean, there's your.

[C]

It's about 80,000. So it's not quite the difference.

[B]

I've heard larger numbers. Do we know the actual numbers here? How many Somalis are in Minnesota?

[D]

I would say no. You can get official numbers would be something like the 80,000 that you're using, but I think it's well over 100,000 is a fair number. And. And they're not entirely in Minneapolis, but they're concentrated in, you know, it used to be called Little. Little Mogadishu. That's the fifth district, Hennepin county and Minneapolis interrank suburb. It's Ilhan Omar's district.

[C]

So, yeah, it's not so little anymore.

[D]

Little Mogadishu has gotten bigger.

[B]

Well, it's not just. But it's not just. It's not just Minnesota, by the way. This is in Ohio. There's now reports of over 500 child care facilities in the state of Washington run by Somalis. So we'll see how far the rabbit hole goes down. This is a very interesting conversation. Scott Johnson has been, with his Powerline blog, has been investigating the, I guess, fraud situation, different aspects of it in Minnesota. Scott, does this go back 20 years, 25 years for you? How long have you been doing your research and investigations?

[D]

Well, we started Powerline over Memorial Day weekend, 2002.

[F]

I'm trying to think.

[D]

The first I really got seriously interested in, in this subject, I covered that Minnesota was a fount of folks supporting Al Shabaab. And. And in 2016, there was a terrorism trial here. There were nine charged Somali Minnesotans who were seeking to join ISIS. Six of them pleaded guilty. Three of them went to trial in 2016. I covered that trial. And these were young, charismatic men who, on the surface were apparently assimilated. They were well spoken. They were taking advantage of opportunities. They were educated. They were taking advantage of every employment and educational opportunity I could think of. So, you know, I was exposed to some of them as they came through the courtroom. But the three defendants I saw, one of them testified, and one of the nine turned informer and wore a wire. So you got to hear what these guys really thought of us. And it was really, it was shocking how much hatred they had for the United States. Wow. And in the course of that trial, I saw, you know, that one of the programs they were taking advantage of was student loans. And one of the defendants pulled out $500 on a debit card from his student loan to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get to isis. And these folks were apprehended before they left the United States. But it was shocking to me how cognizant they were of the seams in the system that they could take advantage of and so on.

[C]

Yeah, it's really revealing. One of the places they investigated, the way it had all three, it was like it had a transportation company and it had like a home, a Medicaid company and a daycare. They're aware of where you can go to get the money. And as you said, it's nice that you brought up the terrorism nexus of this in 2019. I've got it right in front of me. Fox 9 out of Minneapolis St. Paul, they investigated this, this story. And there was literally reports, this was noted, that millions of dollars was being flown out of the Minneapolis airport in suitcases, in cash. They just had cash stuff in suitcases, and they're flying it to Somalia, it's beyond a doubt. A lot of that probably ended up with extremists, Al Shabaab terrorists. And it says in that article that it's well known that starting a daycare is a way to print money in this community. 2019, it's just.

[D]

Well then, feeding frenzy. Yeah, I think the cat, the cash being flown out has never been substantiated but, but that's where we came in was with daycare fraud. I wrote a column for City journal called Mogadishu Minnesota, I think in 2018 that referred to the issue of daycare fraud and the story about cash being flat loan to Somalia. I'm not so sure that that part of it is true, but it certainly has been a concern for a substantial period of time.

[B]

Well, so my question then Scott, goes to the politicians that have been complicit in this. Right. In 2023, Governor Waltz said that childcare providers need a raise, which basically was tip of the cap to his constituents in the Somali community. I gotta believe. What are we looking at complicity within the elected class in Minnesota. Are you going to be pursuing that investigation? What can we expect in terms of Tim Waltz and other officials in the state?

[D]

I don't think Tim Walz and I don't think Attorney General Keith Ellison, I don't think either one of them has either sat for an interview regarding what they knew and when on this massive public programs fraud. And it would be nice if, you know, the big media outlets here like the Minneapolis Star Tribune, now known as the Minnesota Star Tribune, would ask for interviews and tell us what the response is that they get. Will either of these guys sit for an interview during the second of these Feeding our Future trials? Earlier this year I sent sets of questions, I asked for interviews of both Walls and Ellison to ask those questions and I sent them written questions on the subject of what they knew and when. Keith Ellison, the Attorney General of the state is a guy who brags about how he can spot a fraud when he's talking about President Trump. So I was curious about when he spotted the fraud that took place under his auspices here over the last six years. It's unbelievable. You know, these guys have specialized in either looking the other way or facilitating.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

What we've seen over the past several days.

[C]

We're out of time here, Scott, but thank you so much. Thank you so much for your work everyone. Check out Powerline blog if you want unlimited Minnesota content. It's a great content producing state for our movement. Thank you again, Scott.

[D]

Thanks for having me. Scott.

[B]

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[F]

Well, thank you for having me and thank you for asking. It is certainly very frustrating to those of us at the Department of Justice where we are doing so much. We are winning so many cases at the Supreme Court. We are putting rings on the board. And Attorney General Pam Bondi and the rest of us keep getting criticized for not having arrests, like arrests are entertainment or bread and circuses, when in fact there are arrests and there is a very lively activity from a very committed and I think the most conservative Department of Justice that we've ever had. So and I don't think it's just people asking questions. What I was responding to was what looked to me like an organized campaign of stupid commentary that falsely claimed that because January 6th is coming up, there's a five year statute of limitations that expires on January 6th, 2025. And if the Attorney General and the DOJ hasn't indicted people by that time, then that statute of limitation has run. And I think it is paid. I think I see certainly those types of influencers on X who are monetized repeating this propaganda almost word for word. And I was frustrated by it. I saw some pushback, it wasn't enough pushback. And so I decided to get out there and spew some facts. Namely there is no statute of limitations that runs on that day. There are various statutes that are going to run on a rolling basis and some haven't even expired because where there's a continuing conspiracy, which I think you could make the case for in some circumstances the statute of limitations doesn't begin to run, that is state start until that conspiracy and those overactive furtherance of the conspiracy end. And so I put some facts out there and I also expressed my frustration that so called conservative influencers are clearly getting paid to spread clickbait disinformation. And it's, it's really annoying to me and I wish people would get a life where at least torn themselves to try to be honest instead of just trying to make money off of the desperation of a less informed populace.

[B]

Well, and I think that's really important and we have your tweet here. You said stuff happens January 6th. That date is irrelevant. January 6th, committee and Congress forms in the summer. This is a relevant date. So Statute of limitations Mid 2026 Potentially Jack Smith appointed over a year later. So there's another date. Democrats in Congress and those in the States colluding with Biden White House hide their behavior, some of which still hasn't come to light. Statute runs on this five years after their concealed behavior is known to the government. This means the statute could run in the next administration. And then you have a note of encouragement to stop posting clickbait. I think that's all fair. I actually was not booking you on this topic. Harmeet. We wanted to have you on because the Minnesota topic and we've been covering that throughout the show today. I mean it was the number one topic Elon's posting about It. So I appreciate the statute of limitations. I think you're getting to a point that the base wants accountability. They want results. And it's not just about the doj. It's not just about Pam Bondi. You guys are doing great work at the Department of Justice in a lot of different ways. And I know because I've spoken with people, there's a lot coming down the pike. So we can put a pin in that if you'd like, but there's a lot coming down the pike. Could you at least assure our audience that you guys are working on stuff that they're gonna like?

[F]

Absolutely. But let me continue the theme here of the false narrative, which is that no one's gonna go to jail. We aren't doing anything. We haven't done anything. Where the. Iraq. This is nonsense. Because the attorney General and under the DOJ, we have actually indicted 99 people so far. And we're just getting started. In the Minnesota Somali fraud rings. So far, There are over 60 convictions and, please. Hundreds of millions of dollars involved in restitution and, you know, additional collateral crimes, including attempted bribery by one of these fraudsters trying to deliver $120,000 cash to a juror's home and things like that. And so, you know, we're also uncovering there was news of similar types of fraud happening in Ohio at other places where the Somali community is. Because apparently this is a type of fraud that they're talking amongst themselves. And it isn't just Somali fraud. There's other fraud. I firmly believe that there's been state organized fraud, frankly, in a way, in California, where Victor Davis Hanson talked about this recently on his podcast, where he's talking about sort of inflated reimbursement requests for ambulances from the state, and then the states pockets the difference and, you know, all kinds of crazy stuff like this Medicaid fraud, there's autism fraud, and on and on and on. And so we are so dedicated to this. There are career prosecutors. It's not a political thing. This is the type of thing that they do day in and day out. And the attorney General is so dedicated to it. I spoke to her about it yesterday. She's not getting enough credit and it's not reasonable. And so I just want people to understand that when they say, where are the arrests? There's no arrest, you're just. You're just sounding dumb. Because if you cracked open a browser and did a little bit of research, you would find that there have been many arrests, many conviction convictions, many indictments and ongoing investigations here. And so I'm proud of the DOJ and the work that we're doing and it would really make it easier for us to do our job. And we didn't have to spend time combating misinformation from the public online, some of which is frankly malicious and self serving.

[B]

Yeah. And I want to take a minute, just a moment here to pause. You mentioned Victor Davis Hanson. He announced on his show. So we just want everybody to pray for vdh, Great American. Been on this show many times. He says, I'm having a major operation and I've been presented with a serious problem, but I'm going to do all I can to solve it. And that's all I can do and trust in the power of prayer and, and faith and in a wonderful surgeon. So it sounds like he's going into surgery with a serious issue. I saw you tweeting about that and retweeting, so I wanted to pause right there. We love vdh. He's a good American, great American, and so we wish him all the best. Please do pray for him. We need guys like VDH out there, a voice of stability and just wisdom, history. His context for just about every problem we face is incredible. So just wanted to pause and say that. So one of the issues that you see if you go online, and again, this is sort of the theme of our conversation here, Harmy, is people want to see Tim Waltz, Keith Ellison, they want to see these guys indicted, arrested for their complicity, or look turning the other way when they knew the fraud was happening. In the previous segment, Blake mentioned a Fox 9 article from 2019 where this sort of daycare fraud was publicized first, and they were even alleging that some of the money was getting to back to Al Shabaab, even in 2019. Then we had the City Journal reporting from Christopher Rufo that basically alleged the same. What would it take to indict a sitting governor? I mean, I know that you have an official role and there's only so much you can say, so please, by all means, be careful. But just legally speaking, I mean, we haven't really seen anything like that, at least in living memory.

[F]

Well, we have. I mean, Rod Blagojevich was of course indicted. He's the Democratic governor. In fact, many Illinois governors have been indicted and convicted of crimes and senators have as well.

[B]

Sitting.

[F]

It does happen. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if he was sitting at the time, but he was convicted for behavior that he, that he allegedly engaged in while he was a sitting governor. And so you know, it does take time to put convictions together. So let me tell you how. And again, this is not my area of expertise. I'm civil rights chief. I do have some criminal, some jurisdiction involving hate crimes and stuff, but there's, there's a concept in the DOJ and also in state prosecutions called public correction. And the prosecutors who specialize in public correction cases and, and they're difficult cases to bring, and they typically involve informants or somebody who has been engaged in criminal behavior themselves, like paying bribes to a sitting official and then perhaps agree to wear a wire or, you know, otherwise there's sufficient evidence because they plead guilty and there's a grand jury, and then there's enough evidence to go in and get a wiretap and, or financial records and then go trace the money and build an ironclad case. And I think that while I know there's a thirst for kind of a revenge like thirst for convictions and prosecution, what we don't want is to have a situation like where what happened to President trumped up cases, concocted cases, BS cases. So you have to actually do the homework, put that ironclad case together, because you know what the other side is going to say. They're going to say this is politicized. That's setting 100% of cases involving public figures. This is political. This is not a real case where we're seeing that right now, that kind of commentary with Letitia Jennings and some others that are in the crosshairs of prosecution. And so I think that's what is happening here. And so it isn't enough that a public figure saw a news story five years ago that says that there's fraud in their state, that's not a crime. But tying them to it, tying them to either a financial motivation or a campaign finance motivation where they looked the other way, or they accepted a gratuity or some benefit or an ongoing benefit, including to their family or so forth, that they arranged. Putting these cases together is important. And I can guarantee that every single person working in leadership of this individual would like nothing more than to bring righteous cases against corrupt public officials. But let me tell you a little kind of complex complication here. You know, the whole problem with the blue slip process that has been talked about. I'm sure you talked about it on your show. Well, it's kind of weird when you're in a blue state like Illinois or, you know, Minnesota or California, and the Democrat senators get a veto over who the prosecutor can be who might investigate them. That's even here, a conflict of interest. And then I can tell you, I could tell you actual prep complex, sort of complex needs of fraud that I believe have been committed by Democrat public figures in California. And the blue slip process makes it such that nobody ever gets approved by those Democrat senators who isn't someone who they think is politically savvy enough to look the other way and not come after that. So that's why you see less of this. That's why sometimes these prosecutions have to occur from a different district or, you know, out of main justice. And a lot of this stuff never comes to light because of that. So we do rely on public figures coming forward and trying to help us with these issues.

[E]

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A little bit of breaking news. The United States has just conducted its first land strike against Venezuela. President Trump has confirmed the military took out a drug facility resulting in a massive explosion. So we're going to keep our eyes on that. That's a little bit of breaking news. So harmeet in the midst of this Venezuelan news and the BV Netanyahu news, you have news on voting integrity, voter integrity, as well as some gun cases that you're working. Please tell us about them.

[F]

Well, sure. Let's talk about the voting cases first. So a few Months ago, I started this process of requesting the voter rolls from all the states and here for the United States and asking them to share them with us so that we can help these states compare their voter rolls against our government data and clean their voter roll, which is a requirement of states under federal law, the Health America Vote act, amongst others. And so there's a lot of hemming and awing, including for red states, a lot of back and forth and then some outright refusal to cooperate from many states. And so I am proud to report that today I'm in litigation with 22 states in the United States. That's actually 23 lawsuits. This California has two lawsuits. I also have voluntary compliance from 13 states, including Texas and several others. Even on Christmas Eve, Andrew, I had Secretaries of State uploading their data in the DOJ that we could do our work on it and help them clean their voter rolls. And so we're engaged in quartering settlements with almost every state. I got North Carolina early on to enter into a settlement agreement with us to clean up over 100,000 voter records that had been improperly recorded and they didn't get the correct data about citizenship from those voters. I'm suing Georgia, including for the Fulton county ballots that we requested several months ago and that they've refused to give us. So we're in multiple lawsuits over there. And of course, even after we filed that lawsuit in the same week we filed a lawsuit last week, all that news came out about hundreds of thousands of improperly recorded votes with inappropriate chain a puseny and and other indicia in Georgia. So it is really important work. We're excited about it. I wish I had more hands and more people at the DOJ do this work. We are hiring very aggressively. So if anybody watching this is a lawyer who wants to come help their country and through our duty and help clean up our voter rolls and ensure election integrity, we're looking to hire people on that. And so I always keep people posted as people. I'd say if they're abusing to give me their data, get to a point where we know it's going to be. They know we see that. And so we put our money where our mouth is. And you know, I would have thought when I got in there, Andrew, that I would have some template to pull from because surely the DOJ did this before, Right? Right. They never did it before. No Republican administration or even Democratic administration did voter roll litigation before.

[B]

And I want to pause you there. This is something Blake brought up earlier that you look back to What Tom Emmer was saying about the Somali population 2015, we need them, they're more American, and they're gonna assimilate.

[C]

He said they assimilated better than any other group. And they were. You know, the Germans had done the exact same thing.

[B]

Yeah, that's what he said. So that's what he said. But Blake made the astute point that now Tom Emmer is on Fox, basically calling for prosecutions and accountability. And listen, I'm not necessarily letting him off the hook for being a part of the problem in the first place. What I am saying is the tone and tenor of the entire conservative movement. If you took a snapshot in 2015 and then you took a snapshot in the end here of 2025 going into 2026, the aggressiveness, the just conservativeness of the people in power and the people in charge, we are light years ahead of where we were a decade ago, thanks to President Trump, thanks to Charlie Kirk, thanks to people like you, Harmeet. And so I just want to make sure, as there's all this consternation and frustration in the base, it seems with lack of results, we are moving in a very good direction. We have Harmeet Dhillon at the DOJ suing states to clean up voter rolls and having massive results. The implications of that couldn't be bigger, Harmeet, because it's gonna affect the midterms, it's gonna affect 2028. That's huge. What states, I have to just ask, are the worst on the voter rolls? Who is fighting you the most? Cleaning up their voters? Is it California? I would presume, but.

[F]

Well, California is definitely in resistance mode. New York, Maine, you know, Illinois, the usual suspects. All these states where they don't require voter id, they don't. I mean, Minnesota, my goodness, you can. I mean, Scott Pressler, good friend of mine, posted about this yesterday, where you can go in and simply vouch for somebody's address. Like you can bring your eight Somali buds in and say, I vouch for the person's address. That's all you need. You don't need a utility bill. You don't need anything but some potential fraudsters vouching. That's insane. You can't run a country like that.

[B]

We're running out of time. But I just want to say good work. We have your back, 100%. And thanks for the updates. Thanks for sticking with it and, you know, thanks for educating people a little bit. I think that was important. We will have you back on again soon. Keep up the good work.

[F]

Thanks for having me.

[C]

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