'Zuckerboxes,' $400 Million, and the Center for Tech and Civic Life with Phill Kline

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Episode: “Zuckerboxes,” $400 Million, and the Center for Tech and Civic Life with Phill Kline

Date: December 1, 2020
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Phill Kline, Former Kansas Attorney General, Director of the Amistad Project

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Main Theme

This episode investigates the role of private money—particularly Mark Zuckerberg’s $400 million donations—funneled through nonprofit organizations in shaping the administration of the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Charlie and guest Phill Kline discuss the mechanics and legality of the spending, its effect on election integrity, and their ongoing litigation challenging these practices in key swing states.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background & Tone Setting

• Charlie introduces Phill Kline as a legal expert and current leader in election-related lawsuits ([03:52]).
• The discussion frames concerns over election integrity as a critical issue for American democracy, blending legal, cultural, and grassroots perspectives.

2. The “Zuckerboxes” Phenomenon

• Mark Zuckerberg’s Donations:
  • Zuckerberg allegedly donated $400M (primarily through the Center for Tech and Civic Life) to influence urban, predominantly Democratic jurisdictions ([04:45]).
  • “We had a billionaire in the counting room, and America was kicked out. Specifically, Mark Zuckerberg…” – Phill Kline ([04:45]).
  • Funds were distributed to local election offices, often with guidance on how elections should be administrated.
• Imbalance in Resource Distribution:
  • Vastly more "Zuckerboxes" (dropboxes for ballots) and financial resources were provided to Democratic urban areas compared to Republican regions.
  • “In Republican areas of Pennsylvania… one ZuckerBox for every 1,100 square miles” vs. “in the city… a Zucker box every mile” ([05:04]–[07:14]).
  • Kline emphasizes the equal protection violation: voters in different regions were given unequal access to voting infrastructure.

3. Legal and Procedural Concerns

• Privatization of Election Machinery:
  • Kline and Kirk argue that private money shouldn't decide who counts votes.
  • "This is actually purchasing the government officials who run the election. It's like you going on trial...and before the trial starts, you meet the judge at his home and say, you know what, Judge, I've got a few million for you." – Phill Kline ([09:07]).
• COVID-19 as Justification:
  • Many changes (expansion of early voting, ballot dropboxes, relaxed verification) were justified by pandemic fears, sidestepping the legislature ([10:09], [16:46]).
  • “Covid fear has been used to justify all these radical changes in suspension of rights.” ([16:46])
• Consolidated Counting Centers:
  • New practice of centralized counting centers in arenas (allegedly to fight COVID) made it easier to alter or inject ballots and harder for observers to scrutinize the process ([11:55]–[12:35]).

4. Litigation Efforts

• Scope and Nature of Lawsuits:
  • Kline summarizes ongoing legal challenges in Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania ([14:11]).
  • Allegations include unlawful ballot curing, mishandling of ballots, changes to rules without legislative consent, and improper relationships with outside organizations ([14:11]–[15:27]).
  • They have evidence (e.g., Republican voters listed as non-voters in state databases) and video examples alleging misconduct ([15:24], [15:42]).
• Investigation Obstacles:
  • Lack of prompt federal law enforcement action is mentioned; ongoing inquiries by entities like the FBI referenced, but expectations for timely results are low ([23:42]–[24:39]).

5. Data Access and Third-Party Involvement

• Rock the Vote and Election Data:
  • For the first time, state officials contracted with third-party voter engagement groups (e.g., Rock the Vote) granting them the ability to directly input data into voter rolls ([27:24]–[29:35]).
  • Kline suggests this opened new vulnerabilities: “Anybody with a modicum of computer talent could have populated through the Rock the Vote interface our election poll books with false persons and identities...” ([27:58]).
• Related Organizations:
  • The Center for Election Innovation and Research (received $50M from Zuckerberg) provided poll book software, furthering concerns over data integrity ([30:39]–[31:08]).

6. Philosophical & Societal Commentary

• Virtue vs. Process:
  • Kline argues that democracy is not virtuous just by process—people’s conduct matters more ([31:56]).
  • "...democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Unless virtue's in the equation, the sheep will always get eaten." – Phill Kline ([31:56])
• Concerns About Big Tech and Censorship:
  • Charlie and Phill warn about growing influence and censorship by tech billionaires, connecting it to election integrity and free speech ([33:31]–[34:59]).

7. Path Forward & Closing Thoughts

• Continuing the Fight in Court:
  • Lawsuits will proceed to state Supreme Courts and potentially the U.S. Supreme Court ([25:40], [34:59]).
  • Kline stresses the importance of documenting, publicizing, and correcting vulnerabilities exposed in this cycle.
• Message of Hope and Faith:
  • Kline closes with, “I don’t look to government for hope. I have my hope vested in a place that cannot be taken by the enemy. That is sure in the promises of God.” ([36:02])
  • Urges listeners to remain vigilant, prayerful, and focused on truth.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Zuckerberg's Influence:
  “We had a billionaire in the counting room, and America was kicked out. Specifically, Mark Zuckerberg…”
  – Phill Kline ([04:45])

• On the Risks of Privatized Elections:
  “This is actually purchasing the government officials who run the election. It's like you going on trial...and before the trial starts, you meet the judge at his home and say, you know what, Judge, I've got a few million for you. That can't happen in America.”
  – Phill Kline ([09:07])

• On Virtue in Democracy:
  “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Unless virtue's in the equation, the sheep will always get eaten.”
  – Phill Kline ([31:56])

• On COVID as a Tool:
  “Covid fear has been used to justify all these radical changes in suspension of rights. So that's where you started to see it, and you started to see it as part of a design...”
  – Phill Kline ([16:46])

• On Hope:
  “I don’t look to government for hope … I have my hope vested in a place that cannot be taken by the enemy. That is sure in the promises of God.”
  – Phill Kline ([36:02])

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Key Timestamps

• 02:22 – Phill Kline joins the show
• 04:45 – Introduction to Zuckerberg’s $400M donation and influence
• 07:14 – Disparities between Democrat and Republican voting infrastructures
• 09:07 – Discussion of legality and privatization of elections
• 14:11 – Summary of lawsuits and examples of irregularities
• 16:46 – The role of COVID-19 in election process changes
• 23:42 – Involvement of FBI and law enforcement in investigations
• 27:24 – Rock the Vote’s unprecedented access to poll books
• 31:56 – Kline’s critique of modern political virtue
• 33:31 – Overview of the “orchestrated and concerted effort” influencing the election
• 36:02 – Kline’s closing message of hope

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Conclusion

This episode lays out the guests’ perspective on how philanthropic intervention, COVID-19, and legislative bypass allegedly combined to change the US election landscape in 2020. Phill Kline details the mechanics, philosophical implications, and ongoing legal challenges to these practices, concluding with a call for faith, vigilance, and civic engagement. The tone is urgent, critical, and infused with both political and spiritual resolve.

Transcript

[A]

Hey everybody. A very important conversation with the great Phil Klein. He gives us an update on the work that he is doing on the front lines to win in the courts. He's actually in the courts filing lawsuits on the President's behalf. Please consider supporting [e-mail] support email us your questions. Freedom charliekirk.com and if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win America's culture war, go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com Phil Klein is here. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

[B]

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

[A]

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

[B]

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point usa.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, with you, Charlie. Great to be with you.

[A]

Thank you for enduring my history of lbj.

[B]

I love it. And let me add something to it if I can. I appreciate you sharing that story. You know, one of the keys is not only that they stopped the counting, but LBJ knew exactly how many votes he needed. And they found this box that suddenly turned up, and it had just the number of votes. And everybody in that box that was recorded as voting, it seems, out of mere coincidence, voted in alphabetical order, used the same color ink to sign in their name, and actually had the same handwriting. So, yes, election fraud. In fact, archaeologists will tell you that in ancient Greece and the democracy there, in Athens and the other cities, they voted by writing on pottery shards. And they have come across evidence of old elections in which the same name of the same candidate is written in the same hand on multiple pottery shards in one election. So it's about authority, it's about power, it's about money. And you're telling me that there are not people willing to stretch the law and circumvent the law to be the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. So, absolutely, this is a concern, and the evidence is compelling that further investigation is needed.

[A]

No doubt. So I want to introduce you to our audience. You were the Attorney General for the state of Kansas, and you're currently the director of the Armistad Project. Yeah. And of the Thomas Morris Society. And you're a professor at Liberty University, which we think very highly of here. And so you've been doing some amazing work. I wanted to actually take a step backwards, and just a short answer, if you can, please. It's so important. And if anyone watching this right now is interested in learning more about this, please go check out the Charlie Kirk Show Podcast. Just take out your phone, type in Charlie Kirk Show Podcast. Because, by the way, I have to tell you, Phil, it was one of the most interesting podcasts I did recently. Our numbers on it are amazing. Can you give us the short version of how billionaires probably bought this election, but in a way that no one is talking about, through the actual corruption of how the votes were counted? It's fascinating what you've been uncovering.

[B]

Yes, we had a billionaire in the counting room, and America was kicked out. Specifically, Mark Zuckerberg, going back to March of 2020, was employing a man named David Plouffe. And you said short. Okay, let me get short.

[A]

No, no, no, that's okay. Just be thorough. But, you know, I want to get to the other stuff, too.

[B]

Okay, yeah. You put up that stop sign if I go too long. David Plouffe wrote a book called the Citizen's Guide for Defeating Donald Trump. And in it, he said the 2020 election is going to come down to a block by block street fight in turning out the vote in Philadelphia, Detroit, and Milwaukee. Now we fast forward. David Plouffe was working for Zuckerberg. He leaves, but Zuckerberg suddenly flows $400 million into two sleepy 501 charities that are built by Obama activists. One of them gets 350 million. They start putting out activists into the swing states, recruiting Democrat strongholds to ask for money, and then, boom, the money came. $10 million into Philadelphia. Zuckerberg money flows into Philadelphia and says, philly, this is how you're going to run your election. I will pay the election judges, I will pay all of these people to do these satellite offices. I will buy the machines and I will do this. And if you do not do what I tell you, I'm taking all my money back. And Suddenly Philadelphia has 800 satellite offices to turn people out. What we call Zucker boxes, those drop boxes on every corner, those are invitations to fraud, by the way. And then in Republican areas, I'll just give you an example. Delaware County, Pennsylvania, strong Democrat stronghold, Zuckerberg poured money into the city. There's one Zuckerbox every four square miles. That's a Zucker box to vote within a mile of your home Republican areas of Pennsylvania. The 59 counties that Trump won in 2016, one ZuckerBox for every 1100 square miles. So here's what the government of Pennsylvania told its if you live in a Republican area, go on a weekend vacation, find Waldo to vote. If you live in the city, we're going to drive by and pick up your ballot or just walk down the street and cast your vote. That's wrong. Violation of equal protection should never happen in America, where people are treated differently regarding their opportunity to vote.

[A]

And so what you're saying here, just so our audience understands, a guy that's worth $100 billion, which is just creepy in and of itself. I mean, it's creepy because of the amount of power you can wield, especially when you're basically trading on other people's data in a form of surveillance capitalism, you're not actually making hardware. You're basically just found a better online portal and widget of where people want to interface and you sell people. I mean, we are the users that are literally now being traded to other companies that they can better sell. That's Exactly Right. So this guy's worth $100 billion. That's fine. We've all benefited from Facebook and Instagram, and I just think it's a little outrageous. But then he takes $350 million of his money, pours it into these sleepy 501C3 charities. And what was their budget before that? $350 million infusion.

[B]

At most, about 1.2 million a year.

[A]

I mean, so that's a 350 multitude of scale. Right. Increase. Which is. No organization would be able to handle that kind of increase. Or Unless it's a corporate takeover. Right. Unless it.

[B]

And it's planned. They planned it.

[A]

Precisely. I mean, so let's think about this. If you were Mark Zuckerberg, would you really write a $350 million check? Would you wire $350 million? Would you donate $350 million of Facebook stock? Unless you knew exactly where that was going, Unless you knew what was happening. And so then all of a sudden, what you're saying is then they put micro grants and they peppered them around in certain metro areas under these kind of center for technology and civic life charities. These Zucker boxes were created your term, and basically they were also influencing who is counting the votes. Is that right?

[B]

Well, they were paying them. They paid the people who accepted which ballots to count.

[A]

How is that legal?

[B]

It's not. Our opinion is. It's not. Of course, there are many who say it is, but certainly we can't privatize elections now. There's a difference. If you, Charlie, wanted to spend your money on a candidate independently, you have a right to do that. But this is actually purchasing the government officials who run the election. It's like you going on trial for something, and before the trial starts, you meet the judge at his home and say, you know what, Judge, I've got a few million for you. How about that? That can't happen in America. And it is wrong.

[A]

Yeah. So I have a question, and this just came into someone who was watching us. Freedomarliekirk.com they just emailed us. Don't the legislatures have to approve these kind of Zucker boxes? I mean, wouldn't there have to be some form of consent from the. The. The Republican body, Not the small r. Republican body. Right. Where they are the representatives of the people. Because what we're talking about here is a. Is a tectonic shift in actually how we do elections. And no one approved of this.

[B]

That's right. It's a mixture of things. Actually. Some legislatures did, but most of it is they claimed Covid made it necessary. You have to go into March of this, of this year, this past year, and suddenly you saw all of these lawsuits on the left claiming it's too dangerous because of COVID to get a witness on your absentee ballot. It's too dangerous because of COVID to have a stamp on your absentee ballot. The state needs to pay for it. It's too dangerous for Covid to compare signatures because it will slow things down with an absentee ballot. Now, all of it is done under Covid fear. And some of it was done by these executive orders by blue state saying, we've got to have dropboxes because it's too dangerous with COVID Now, here's the problem with dropboxes. They hold tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of ballots. So our question has always been, who had the keys? Where's the log of who got the ballots? Where's the chain of custody from the pickup down to these consolidated counting centers. Did somebody pick up those ballots and stop someplace out else? Dump a few, pick up a few? You're supposed to have logs. You remember the 247 video cameras that we were promised on all of this? Right. We'd watch them 24 7. Everybody said with the boxes. Just an example. In one county in Pennsylvania, they got solar powered cameras. Yes. And so they go down at night or an overcast day. So all of this opened up the door to for massive fraud. Let me, let me give you some evidence to think about. We've heard for the first time in U.S. history about these consolidated counting centers.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, the big arenas and stuff used to count. They said that was necessary for Covid. Right. That's what they claimed. Typically the counting occurs by the ward in counties, so it's a smaller counting system. They said we got to create a crowd because of COVID That's not why they did it. They did it for two reasons. One, now you're moving hundreds of thousands of ballots into one location. So it's easy, more easily, more easy to insert fraudulent ballots rather than having to run around to wards. You've got one major center where you could do ballot dumps in the middle

[A]

of the great point.

[B]

And then the second reason they did it is because all the laws require for fairness to ensure integrity, that a Republican and a Democrat be at these tables to make sure people are playing fair. Makes sense. Right. But now they could say, we've got a Republican in the place, but he's up in the cheap seats and he can't see what's going on down here. But it doesn't matter because he's in the arena. Those are the two reasons we had consolidated counting center.

[A]

Well, and it's also, I mean, and this is something that people have to understand is that any numbers we're looking at here, I think of this as a complete and total outlier as far as vote tabulation and margins. This election was unlike any other in the way we actually did the election. And so in Pennsylvania, you're not supposed to ballot harvest, but what's to prevent someone from all of a sudden dropping off 30 ballots into one of these boxes that all of a sudden that ballot is then successfully laundered? That ballot then all of a sudden gets cleaned as if you're Marty Byrd in Ozark, Missouri, trying to clean cartel money. It's no different. As soon as it gets back into the system, then it's cleaned. I wanna ask you about this litigation that you guys have filed. So we are talking right now to Philip Klein, former attorney general for Kansas, a pretty amazing resume. You're a professor at Liberty University. And I say this intentionally to build up your credibility because there's a lot of people trying to strike down anyone that's talking about this right now. And you guys have filed a litigation in Michigan saying, quote, officials brazenly violated election laws to advance a partisan political agenda. What did you just file and tell us more about this?

[B]

Well, what we did is we identified all of the actions and we've got the same suits going in Georgia, and we're going to file in Arizona, in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, we identified all the unlawful actions by election officials. And in Michigan, they unlawfully cured ballots, they took certain ballots and they fixed them without following the law. And there's some other things along those lines. Then we pulled in experts and we said, based on these illegalities, how many ballots are in play? And we actually then reached out to voters to see if the results of their voter history were reflect what they did. And what we've learned is there's over 150, 200,000 ballots now that are in serious question in Michigan. In fact, I think the number is higher once we made these phone calls. So let me give you an example of that we have identified. And I don't have it in front of me, Charlie, but it will be on one of the pages of our filings, a chart that shows the number of Republican voters we reached out to who said they voted. But the state record doesn't reflect they ever voted.

[A]

Geez. What states like Michigan?

[B]

Well, we're doing it in all these states. It occurs in all of these states where they radically altered the rules so that it's very easy, just as you mentioned, it's not only easy to put in fraudulent ballots at the Dropbox, it's pretty darn easy to remove ballots you don't want.

[A]

And this is amazing. We have a video, and I don't know if we can show it to you right now, where there was literally a guy ripping up a trump ballot. We have a video of it, and guess what? We have no record of arrest, prosecution, or investigation. And so I wanna ask you a bigger picture question, Charlie.

[B]

You gotta show me the evidence first, right? Well, yeah, yeah, you got the video, but show me the evidence.

[A]

Right, exactly. So. But can you kind of give us an idea? You guys are filing these lawsuits. We're playing with something very dangerous in our country right now. And we have a lot of people emailing us, you know, the questions. Freedomarliekirk.com People are saying, I've lost complete and total faith in the justice system in our elections. This is a very dangerous point for a civilization. As soon as you lose faith in your elections, what comes next is unknown. But it's not good. We know that much. Can you help? Can you just give us kind of a more bigger picture view of what's going on here? The litigation you're looking into and how did this happen? How did all of a sudden, how are they allowed to change the way we do elections like this? I guess the virus is the answer.

[B]

It covered fear. They manipulated fear to achieve partisan aims in the election. And we see that in all the rules they set aside and how they approached it. And you see the intent also at the beginning in that all of the polling, all of our understanding of how Republicans behave and Democrats behave going into this election cycle was that Republicans prefer to vote, preferred to vote in person on election day. Democrats prefer to vote in advance by absentee. And what you started to see is closing down in person polling, making it harder than in more than a generation to vote in person, claiming Covid was the concern. At the same time, you saw the consolidation of counting centers because of COVID You saw then the radical change in. In allowing absentee ballots without reason, mailing to every household, whether they requested it or not, eliminating things like the signature requirement, witness requirements, and everything else to make it easy to infuse fraudulent ballots into the absentee balloting system. And then you saw Zuckerberg money funding turnout in Democrat strongholds. By changing government policies to favor Biden and and turn out Hillary Clinton voters for Biden, all of that undermines the integrity of this election dramatically and made it the most lawless election in United States history. So just as you've seen the use of COVID to restrict every aspect relational aspect of your life, whether you have to wear the mask above the nose or below it, whether it's 6ft or 5ft, 11 inches from another person, whether you can attend a funeral or be with a loved one as they're dying, or get the surgery that you need, just as they used Covid, by the way, the science doesn't support all that. Where do you see the scientific debate on this? And also I would add this. The legislature can function. These powers were governors saying, I'm not a part of the lawmaking process. I am the law. What I wake up and say is the law is only supposed to happen if the legislature's in a bunker. We have faith in democracy to work out policy, not dictatorship. So this Covid fear has been used to justify all these radical changes in suspension of rights. So that's where you started to see it, and you started to see it as part of a design, what they did based on Covid fear.

[A]

So part of a design. I want to make sure I plug your website too. Is it got space freedom, got bash or hyphen freedom? Okay, got bash. So this was by design. This is an inevitable question. I get all the time, who are the designers?

[B]

Well, I believe the man with the wallet. Now, you know, I could step back from that and say, it's really David Plouffe. He gave a guidebook to how to win this election that he published in March 2020. And that's exactly where Zuckerberg's monies flowed. And you start to see, as early as March, the scholarly writings on the left were falling in love with what's called emergency police powers, governors declaring the law rather than having to go to the legislature and propose a bill. So you see them start to discuss, you know, we need to use this for environmental emergencies. This allows us to achieve policy aims we can't achieve through the democratic process. So the left has fallen in love with this. And if you go backwards a little ways further, you will see that they were already proposing different type of dramatic emergencies declared by government specifically regarding the environment, so that they could suspend state law and confiscate property, shut down businesses that they believed were polluting the environment. So, you know, this has been a model of the left that they've tried to muscle up with for some time. And it took Covid fear to achieve the objective of a national declaration of emergency and state declarations so that these governors can run roughshod over the First Amendment, over the second Amendment, which gives the legislatures the power to determine the time, place and manner of elections. And I jumped Article two, I meant and then other amendments as well. They're talking about gun violence, emergencies and so forth. So the model, the design has been around for a while. They just didn't have the right crisis to implement it. And now they did. They did this year.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, Matt is a part of our project. We've retained Matt for the last month, and he is one of the experts that we cite to in our pleadings. We also have a mathematician and others, and so he's part of the story. And just recently, the FBI did meet with Matt to obtain data as it relates to the project that we've got going forward. I will say that there's other law enforcement interest that is happening as well. But these type of investigations from the criminal standpoint take time. And I wouldn't expect a Justice Department investigation to act in time to impact this election. And that's why it's important that we continue to ask the right questions and demand answers, because I believe the evidence is clear that this election should not stand as it stands today.

[A]

So you're saying that there's probably significant interest then into these investigations from a criminal nature? They do take time. I'm afraid that in some ways, though, there is not enough zeal from some of these federal agencies looking into this, especially the FBI and the doj. It seems like the priorities that a lot of these law enforcement agencies have had have been completely backwards. What do you think you're now investigating this through your means? I think that if you had subpoena power, I would imagine you would be able to find a lot more. And that's why I don't understand why a lot of these other state attorney generals in Republican states aren't looking into this more. But that's beyond me. What do you think the path forward is then? What do you expect to see in your invest in your lawsuits and what you're presenting in court right now? What is your path forward for what you would consider to be a victory?

[B]

Well, we've got several suits that are going before state supreme courts that I'm hopeful that those states will seriously consider the evidence that we put before them, and we intend to appeal their decisions if they do not rule in our favor to the United States Supreme Court. We are still developing evidences that we hope will become part of the public narrative. And you're going to hear some of that evidence that we will be releasing this week, which causes severe concern about the integrity of the election in several of these swing states. So it's taken a while to develop that evidence. You know, one of the mistakes we make is we trot out a link in the chain without telling the story. And when we put all the weight on one link of the chain, it dissolves very quickly under public scrutiny. And as we discussed the last time I was on the show, Charlie, we now know how they did this. We know that they first recognized that you can't count what you can't see, so they kicked everybody out who could watch their conduct. And then they. And we know how they did it. And we know that the officials who were paid to do that were being paid through Mark Zuckerberg money. And now we also recognize that they determined that you can't steal what you can't find, so they identified ways to steal ballots. And I want to share with you an example. And I forget whether we went over this last time. For the first time in our nation's history, you saw blue state election officials doing contracts with third parties, giving them access to the voter rolls so that they could actually enter registered voters.

[A]

So who was doing who? Like, just. Can you just name specifics on that? It's so stunning.

[B]

Rock the Vote.

[A]

So Rock the Vote, who we've dealt with before, they claim to be nonpartisan, and their idea of nonpartisan is to talk about climate change and transgenderism, open borders, BLM Incorporated, all day long. That's their idea of nonpartisan. Who's behind Rock the Vote? And what you're trying to tell me is that Rock the Vote, which is nothing more than a Marxist insurgency organization, had backend access to Secretary of State's websites.

[B]

Front end access. I'll give you the front end here in a minute. You know, typically if you were doing a voter registration drive like the League of Women Voters, you would fill out a form and they would take it down to the election. The election clerk would then enter it into the electronic data. And that's important for a couple of reasons. First of all, the election clerk's role is defined by a geography accounting, so it's easy to find mistakes. Secondly, they're subject to freedom of information requests because they are public entity. And thirdly, they have political accountability. You could vote them out if they do wrong. Rock the Vote has none of these yet. Now they had the opportunity to enter data into the polling books of these states that contracted with them. And there's other groups as well. Now, I want to make it clear that doesn't mean that Rock the Vote, I'm not saying they committed fraud. I'm saying that anybody with a modicum of computer talent could have populated through the Rock the Vote interface, our election poll books with false persons and identities right and left to create voters that don't exist. And in fact, we're getting evidence that these voters who don't exist voted. And I'm getting affidavits in that regard. So we opened up the front door. All of this worry about hacking from Russia or China on our poll books? No, we were hacked from within because we were lax ensuring the front door was with private groups.

[A]

So was this Georgia, Was this national. What states opened up their wet their books to Rock the Vote? I want to know what states did this.

[B]

Michigan and Pennsylvania that we know of and we believe other groups in these swing states and we're demanding the information now.

[A]

So let's just take Pennsylvania. How on earth did a Republican legislature not know that Rock the Vote, which is a Marxist organization, you go to their website, it's all the same sort of icon and graphics and logos of all the social justice warrior movements out there. Were people aware of this or did this happen so rapidly? Did this happen so dramatically? Like just, it just, it was just so aggressive in the way they put it forward. And it was so sudden that no one really realized any of this.

[B]

It was the Secretary of State, the

[A]

Secretary of State of Pennsylvania is a

[B]

Democrat and the Secretary of State of Michigan.

[A]

They gave their entire infrastructure then over to Rock the Vote.

[B]

They have an information sharing contract with Rock the Vote that allowed them to enter data into the poll books. And now on the back end, Unbelievable. Now on the back end, you know, you can't catch what you can't find. Now to cover it up, there's a group called the center for Election Innovation and Research that Zuckerberg gave $50 million to. You know what they do? They do the software on the poll books.

[A]

And so what's amazing to me, Phil, though, is that philosophically the Democrats in the left have always been complaining about the potential privatization of our elections and democracy. What you're trying to tell me now is a small group of very powerful people that don't create anything in the hardware space that basically sell us not just influence. But they got their way in a plutocratic type way. Essentially. Democrats complained for a while about the idea of the Koch brothers coming in and having all this influence. And then they said, well, if they can do it, we can do it better and no one will attack us cuz we control the means of communication. And then they used the fear around the Chinese Coronavirus and we as Republicans did nothing to contest on this terrain.

[B]

Well, I'll just share with you kind of my perspective from when I served in the legislature. I enjoyed working with people from both parties who had principle who believed that there was a truth and that the truth guided them in their conduct and their virtue was defined by that truth and their conduct in accordance with it. That's, you know, I found that in both parties, but I found a majority of people who served in the legislature, they believed just being there rendered them virtuous. In other words, that democracy was inherently virtuous. The procedure is not virtuous. Virtue is the conduct of people, not a process. In fact, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Unless virtue's in the equation, the sheep will always get eaten. So I will say that there are principled leaders in both political parties, but right now, the dominant political theory is if I'm there, I have a right to do as I desire to do, to keep me there, because my being there in and of itself is virtue. And that's what you're seeing play out right now.

[A]

Absolutely. Incredible. So can you just give a kind of closing thought here? Where are you really focusing a lot of your attention? Where are you looking at? And also, what do you think, what have you learned in the last couple weeks that has really told, really informed you of the state of our elections in our country? Just give us a big picture update and then where you're really gonna be focusing on in particular.

[B]

All right. This was an orchestrated and concerted effort to dramatically and improperly influenced this election for a specific result that was manifested through something we've never seen before, and that's private public partnerships that shared sensitive data on individual citizens with the private sector so that they would have front door access to manipulate the election. And that was played out and funded by a billionaire who not only is engaged now in censorship and that he believes we are too stupid to understand the truth, so he has to protect us from ourselves. He's also now playing a role in how we choose our leaders. That money was teamed up with other funds from Google and Big Tech to directly purchase election officials in managing the election, creating a two tier election system. One making it easy, almost impossible for Democrats not to vote, and one making it difficult for Republican areas to vote. Those things combined violate equal protection and the Supreme Court needs to take up that case. And if the case gets to them in that fashion, they will act because it is wrong. The odds of that are still long and this nation must persist in exploring, revealing, and preventing this from ever happening again.

[A]

Absolutely. It's really chilling. How can people help you?

[B]

You mentioned the website. I appreciate that. Got freedom.comgott-freedom.org or com. Either way. And I covet your prayers. And the prayers would simply be that we be transparent to God's purposes. This town, Charlie, you've been up here. I know. This town operates in a false premise with false gods and it drags you into places you don't need to be involved in. We need to focus on the truth and be purveyors of the truth and be humble enough to have the courage within our Father's promises. I would ask for those prayers.

[A]

Well, we will continue to pray and to support you. And I guess I do have one last question which is for the people that feel hopeless, what is your message for them? Because a lot of people are emailing us, they're saying I'm just ready to give up. We don't believe that here. That's why we're doing what we're doing. Can you just give a message of hope?

[B]

Yes. I don't look to government for hope. I don't look to government for hope. And I have a great and respect for what America can and should be. And often we've fallen short. But I have my hope vested in a place that cannot be taken by the enemy. That is sure in the promises of God. Put your hope there, get this relationship strong and he'll lead you in all other things of other relationships. So I know this might be bold to say because I want to stand for this country and all the truths and all the beauty involved in it, but I don't place my hope there.

[A]

Well, that's very well said. So everyone, it's got-freedom.org, phil, keep fighting. And I want you to come back on our program as you continue to march the litigation through this process. And I just have to say what you are doing right now through trying to uncover how people that have 12 figure net worth are influencing our entire republic is so critical. Cuz that's a part of this that no one is talking about. But how they have 100, 130, $140 billion in net worth and now they say shut up citizen and little person. I want to now be able to tell you what to think. It's very creepy, it's wrong, it's chilling. And that will be the death of America if we don't rise up against it. And isn't it amazing that Donald Trump, the person they said was the billionaire candidate was had money from the plutocrats being spent against him. It only confirms everything we've been talking about here for quite some time. Phil, thank you so much for Joining us tonight.

[B]

Thank you, Charlie.

[A]

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