BONUS: How George Knapp & Jeremy Corbell Are Fighting the UFO COVER-UP

Summary

The Chris Cuomo Project: BONUS Episode Summary Episode: How George Knapp & Jeremy Corbell Are Fighting the UFO COVER-UP
Release Date: June 14, 2025

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Introduction

In this bonus episode of The Chris Cuomo Project, host Chris Cuomo delves deep into the enigmatic world of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) alongside two prominent figures spearheading the fight against governmental secrecy: investigative journalist George Knapp and his protege, documentary filmmaker Jeremy Corbell. The trio engages in a candid discussion about the progress, challenges, and future of UAP transparency, providing listeners with an insider's perspective on one of the most intriguing and controversial topics of our time.

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Progress in UAP Transparency

Chris initiates the conversation by questioning George Knapp on the advancements made in UAP transparency. George acknowledges the strides taken since the pivotal 2017 New York Times story, highlighting increased Congressional interest and the gradual engagement of the academic community.

George Knapp [01:07]: "There’s progress being made. But the keepers of the secrets... are better at their job than you and I and Jeremy are at ours."

He emphasizes that despite these advancements, the entities responsible for maintaining secrecy are highly skilled and resourceful, making the quest for truth an ongoing battle.

Jeremy Corbell concurs, stressing the importance of vigilant journalism in uncovering the truth.

Jeremy Corbell [02:25]: "The true transparency on this topic is going to obviously come through good journalism."

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Secrecy and the “Deep State”

Chris probes deeper into the nature of the secrecy surrounding UAPs, referencing the term "deep state." George elaborates on the multifaceted nature of the groups involved, including Department of Defense personnel, intelligence agencies, and defense contractors. He reveals a frustrating reality where even high-ranking officials lack comprehensive knowledge of the entire picture.

George Knapp [03:14]: "I have never met anyone who really knows the true story... Their job is to confuse the public, to muddy the waters."

The discussion shifts to historical context, notably the 1953 Robertson Panel, which deemed UFOs not a national security threat but a public one, advocating for debunking and ridiculing the phenomenon. This historical precedent sets the tone for ongoing governmental manipulation and misinformation.

George Knapp [03:14]: "They need to debunk it, we need to use ridicule. And that’s been the policy of the US government ever since."

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Media Skepticism and Public Perception

Chris shares his personal experiences of media ridicule when reporting on UAPs, illustrating the societal skepticism that public figures face when tackling unconventional subjects. George and Jeremy reflect on the challenges of changing public perception amidst persistent misinformation.

Jeremy adds a critical perspective on recent government reports, such as those from the Wall Street Journal, which he perceives as part of a broader strategy to sow doubt and confusion.

Jeremy Corbell [05:24]: "They’re intentionally muddying the waters with misinformation and disinformation."

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Key Questions and the Path Forward

The conversation then shifts to the crucial questions that need answers to demystify the UAP phenomenon. George outlines three pivotal inquiries:

1. Origin and Intentions: "Where they're from and what their intentions are regarding us." [07:28]
2. Reason for Secrecy: "Why the secrecy now, though?" [07:28]
3. Technological Implications and National Security: "What do we need to get it done? Can we ever master it?" [07:28]

Jeremy introduces a more personal angle, questioning whistleblowers' motivations and integrity in withholding information from the public.

Jeremy Corbell [08:24]: "What made you look beyond your orders and not follow your oath?"

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Whistleblowers and Evidence

George underscores the necessity of a significant whistleblower or irrefutable evidence to break the long-standing veil of secrecy. He expresses skepticism about the current state of disclosures, labeling recent government reports as disinformation.

George Knapp [09:00]: "It has to be them, whoever they are, wherever they're from... They haven't done it."

Jeremy remains optimistic yet steadfast in his commitment to uncovering and presenting the truth through rigorous journalism.

Jeremy Corbell [10:03]: "If we still have freedom of journalism, then we're going to push as hard as we can to reveal the best evidence that we have."

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Conclusion

Chris wraps up the episode by expressing profound appreciation for George and Jeremy's relentless efforts in pursuing transparency and truth. He underscores the central theme that the UAP cover-up is less about extraterrestrial life and more about controlling information for power and financial gain.

Chris Cuomo [10:52]: "It's about money, it's about power, and it's about who wins the battle of transparency. I'm betting on us and that's the side that I'm on."

He encourages listeners to stay engaged and support independent journalism, emphasizing the collective effort required to uncover the truth.

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Key Takeaways:

• Ongoing Progress: Significant strides have been made in UAP transparency, but the custodians of secrecy remain formidable adversaries.
• Government Secrecy: Historical and contemporary efforts by government entities aim to obfuscate and discredit UAP phenomena.
• Public Skepticism: Media skepticism and ridicule pose substantial challenges to public acceptance and discourse on UAPs.
• Essential Questions: Fundamental inquiries about the origin, intentions, and technological capabilities related to UAPs remain unanswered.
• Role of Whistleblowers: The emergence of credible whistleblowers or concrete evidence is critical to advancing transparency.
• Commitment to Truth: Independent journalists like George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are pivotal in the pursuit of uncovering and disseminating the truth about UAPs.

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Final Note

The Chris Cuomo Project continues to champion independent journalism, offering a platform for critical discussions on pressing issues. This bonus episode serves as a testament to the importance of perseverance and integrity in the quest for transparency and truth.

Transcript

[Chris Cuomo]

If you want to get to the bottom of transparency with UAPs, your path is going to lead you to two people, and I got them both. Chris Cuomo here. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. George Knapp, investigative journalist extraordinaire. Breaking stories, you know, Area 51, that's who exposed that there's an Area 51. George Knapp, his protege, Jeremy Corbell, friend of mine, TR Truth Seeker. I have them both on. So welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. We're going to be talking about what we've learned, what we haven't learned, and what we need to know. Here they are, the men themselves at the center of the storm. Thank you very much for taking the opportunity, fellas, especially you, George. You're not easy to get.

[George Knapp]

I'm not full on hermit yet, but I'm heading in that direction. Thanks, Chris.

[Chris Cuomo]

It's good to have you both with us. Let me ask you this, George. When you are looking at the state of play right now, do you believe we've made progress and what's your biggest question going forward?

[George Knapp]

Well, we have made progress since that New York Times story 2017. Congress has shown it's interested in the topic after being hands off for more than 50 years. Major media at least dabbled in it for a while now, have pulled back. The academic community has come forward. Some people have stepped forward bravely and said we want to look into this. So yeah, there's progress being made. But you know, the keepers of the secrets, the folks who are manipulated this topic for almost 80 years now are better at their job, I would dare say, than you and I and Jeremy are at ours. They have a lot of tools at their disposal. We've seen some of it come out in the last couple of days in national media accounts that muddy the waters, that confuse the public. They've admitted what we've all known for a long time, that they've lied to the American public, that they've lied to Congress. Now we know they've lied to their own military personnel, made up stories, propaganda. It's disgraceful. But now a lot of it is out in the open, so I would call that progress.

[Chris Cuomo]

Jeremy, I was crestfallen when the Trump administration came in and they told us, we're gonna tell you what Biden wouldn't tell you. And then they gave us the same answer about what was in air over the military bases and other places on the east coast and elsewhere. How do you explain that?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I don't even attempt to explain that. I just know that the true transparency on this topic is going to obviously come through good journalism. And that's what George and I are focused on, is bringing forward whistleblowers like Matthew Brown and the Immaculate Constellation information, as well as just bringing forward, if we're lucky enough, military film footage of uap. This is what we've been doing. We believe this to be the path forward. I'm not going to rely on anybody else to. To help us move this ball forward. I just think the public needs to fight for it.

[Chris Cuomo]

George, when you look at this issue as a function of transparency, you say the people who are the keepers of the secrets these days, they use the word deep state. In these years of researching this, what is your best reckoning of who we're up against and what they're about?

[George Knapp]

It's a combination of Department of Defense folks, intelligence agencies, defense contractors. I think it's probably small group of the people that really know what's going on. And even they probably don't know the big picture. You know, Jeremy and I have been pretty far up the food chain over the years. Me even longer than him. And I have never met anyone who really knows the true story. I've heard I've run into a lot of people whose job it is to confuse the public, to muddy the waters, to slip out propaganda. As we've seen over the past couple of days and over many years. You know, I don't know what the big answers are. Like you, Chris, I'm not expecting to meet aliens. I don't believe in aliens. I was attracted to this story because of the paper trail. Documents, memos, reports that were shared within the Department of Defense and CIA and other agencies before the Freedom of Information act became the law. And in those reports it shows they were saying, hey, this is real. It's not imaginary, it's not fictitious. It's real. It's not us. It's from somewhere else. We need to figure it out because there are national security issues involved. 1953, the Robertson panel gets together for CIA. They spend six hours over two days looking at UFO evidence. And they decide UFOs are not a threat to national security. But the reporting of UFOs is a threat, and we need to strip it of its aura of mystery. We need to debunk it, we need to use ridicule. And that's pretty much been the policy of the US government ever since. And it ticks me off. It's what got me hooked on the topic. They're telling the public one thing. They're saying something behind closed doors. To themselves, that is far different. And it makes me angry.

[Chris Cuomo]

And Jeremy, this was part of our bond, right, is that when I first came to News Nation and I started reporting on this, media came after me about it. They'd mock me. They'd say, oh man, he's doing anything he can to get ratings. And as George just said, I'm not looking to meet little green men. I mean, I'm open to it. The arrogance of thinking that this is the only planet in a universe that is constantly expanding. You know, I think there's an arrogance in that to believe we're the only ones that figured out carbon based life. But let's put that to the side. They think they don't have to tell us what they know. And to me, it's a metaphor for what we've seen in so much of government in recent years.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's way more sinister than that. It's not just that they don't think that they need to tell the truth. They're intentionally muddying the waters with misinformation and disinformation. If you looked at the ridiculous and sinister Wall Street Journal report, then we're supposed to believe that we didn't need a Manhattan Project to win the war. We didn't need the Apollo mission to put us into space. And because this is all some sort of government cover up, the new conspiracy, Chris, is that UFOs are not real. That's the new conspiracy, the baseless conspiracy.

[Chris Cuomo]

George, what do we need to know?

[George Knapp]

Well, one thing we know is they're never going to give this up. I mean, it's pretty clear. These recent reports that have been issued by Arrow and now the repeated media statements by the former Arrow staffers, there's nothing to it. There's no information. There's no proof. It's stuff that we made up. It's disinformation that we spread out there. We created the story about Area 51. We created the story about nukes being disabled. That's all us. All the technology that people have been seeing in the skies around the world, on every culture, every culture, every continent throughout human history. That's us. It's preposterous. It's ridiculous. There's no way we could ever accept it. But Arrow has made it clear they're not going to give this up. They're not even giving it up to Congress. I admire the people who've been pushing the ball down the field in Congress, but they've been manipulated on this topic as well. There's always something more pressing for Members of Congress for the public, you know, a job, your mortgage payment, your family, bills for Congress. There's Ukraine, there's Gaza, there's the stuff in LA that's unfolding right now. Always something more pressing than UFOs, so the people who tell these lies get away with it.

[Chris Cuomo]

I have the same question for both of you. And by the way, you know, everybody in common parlance now uses Area 51. That was George Knapp that brought that into the recognition of the rest of us. George, if you were to meet the man, okay, in quotes, and the person who knows, what would be the three things that you would want answers to?

[George Knapp]

I'd like to know ultimately where they're from and what their intentions are regarding us. Are they interested in us? Are they where they're from? Are they interested in us or the planet more than us? Number two is, why the secrecy? I mean, I could see it in 1947. We just come out of World War II, the world's a mess. Do you need to share that with the public and tell them there's another intelligence more advanced than us? Why the secrecy now, though? Number three, if the technology is being tested in secret in some hangar somewhere, what do we need to get it done? Can we ever master it? And are the national security implications legit? Because there is a race for this technology. Us, the Russians, the Chinese, maybe the Israelis. How do we ever separate the UFO technology from national security concerns that would allow some president to step up to a microphone and say, we've been lying to you. Here's the truth.

[Chris Cuomo]

What can you add to that?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Jay, I just would have one question. What made you look beyond your orders and not follow your oath? Like, what made you do this, keep this from the American public? What is so scary to you that you are holding this back from the American public and hurting people's lives? That's what I really want to know. It's more of a human question about the secrecy of UFOs. I'm done with it. The American public's done with it, and I hope we crack this egg as soon as possible.

[Chris Cuomo]

What do you think the watershed moment will be, George? What do you think has to happen that hasn't yet?

[George Knapp]

There's gotta be a whistleblower who comes forward with a piece of something or some video evidence, something irrefutable, or. It has to be them, whoever they are, wherever they're from. I mean, they're the real architects of the secrecy, Wherever they're from. They've been here a long time. They could make themselves known in some irrefutable kind of a demonstration. They haven't done it. We get little glimpses, little bits and pieces, a look here, a look there. But they started the secrecy and our government is happy to to exploit it.

[Chris Cuomo]

For me, Jay, you know what? I think it's gonna be advantage one of these two poison parties is gonna realize there's something in this issue for them versus the other one and they'll go all in down that road. That is my suspicion of why it didn't change from Biden to Trump. It didn't kill the Democrats for Trump to come out with whatever that they were gonna come out with. The same way that it wouldn't have killed Trump for Biden to expose whatever it is. And these cats are all about never about advancement of anything but their own aims.

[George Knapp]

Hope you're right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Look, if we still have freedom of journalism, then we're going to push as hard as we can to reveal the people the best evidence that we have. That's our mission. That's what we're going to do. We're going to practice journalism.

[Chris Cuomo]

Jeremy, I love you. Thank you for being here. You're always welcome. I appreciate the work that you're doing. George Knapp, I got to tell you, I'm so happy that I finally got a chance to speak to you and I respect that. You do the hardest part of the job that I love so well, which is you find a way to tell what people don't want told. And thank you for that. Thank you for your example and thank you for your continued efforts. If I can help you guys in any way at any time, I'm a call away.

[George Knapp]

Thank you, Chris. Appreciate it.

[Chris Cuomo]

George Knapp, still asking the right questions. Someday, hopefully soon, we'll get the real answers. George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are pushing. It's not about little green men. It's about greenbacks. It's about money, it's about power, and it's about who wins the battle of transparency. I'm betting on us and that's the side that I'm on. Thank you for joining me here, subscribing and following at the Chris Cuomo Project. Thank you for checking me out at News Nation every weekday night, 8pm and 11p Eastern. Thank you for going to the substack. If you subscribe, you get your comments exposed to me and my guests when I do my lives there, I got all this content that you get that and the free agent gear to wear, your independence and we'll crowdsource the money and make contributions that make us all proud. The problems are real. You gotta be active in dealing with your challenges. And that's why I say let's get after it, Sam.