Chris Cuomo Fires Back At The Epstein Conspiracy Theorists

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Podcast Summary: The Chris Cuomo Project

Episode: Chris Cuomo Fires Back At The Epstein Conspiracy Theorists
Date: May 26, 2026
Host: Chris Cuomo
Guests/Regulars: Gregory Ott (producer), Amrish (contributor)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and often fiery episode, Chris Cuomo addresses a range of YouTube comments and listener questions with his signature candor and critical analysis. A central theme is Cuomo’s response to accusations of his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, but the discussion spans from public perceptions of media "bubbles," American elitism, and conspiracy theories, to deeper critiques of the US political and economic systems. Throughout, Chris emphasizes skepticism, personal responsibility, and the need for more honest, evidence-based dialogue, pushing listeners—critics and fans alike—to confront reality with nuance rather than knee-jerk tribalism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Addressing the "Media Bubble" Critique

(04:21–07:40)

• Many listeners accuse Chris and his team of being out-of-touch East Coast elites.
• Gregory Ott and Amrish both share humble, middle-class backgrounds (Michigan, Queens), dispelling the privileged "bubble" narrative.
  • Chris: "This guy is from the middle of the country and has the exact organic experience of what made the American middle class impressive. Amrish is the mirror image...in the ethnic reality...coming into this country and finding avenues of opportunity and success. Nothing was given, everything was earned." [06:50]
• Chris rails against the urge to dismiss all media as elitist, labeling the critique "un-American" for erasing the broad spectrum of genuine experience in media.

2. Strategic Case for (and Against) Acquiring Greenland

(08:54–12:04)

• A listener jokes about acquiring Greenland. Chris explains the historical, strategic, and diplomatic context, critiquing the brash approach seen under Trump.
  • Chris: "Harshness is not always strength...you can't act the worst and then say you deserve the most just because you're the richest." [09:22]
• Discussion on shifting European alliances, and how American behavior may alienate traditional partners.

3. ICE, Federal Agencies & Political Bias

(12:04–13:19)

• Responding to claims that ICE is politically weaponized, Chris insists federal agencies have been traditionally conservative, debunking myths of "left-leaning" bias in agencies.
  • Personal anecdote: The Robert Mueller investigation altered his faith in institutions—Mueller was not what he remembered, changing his outlook on trust and skepticism.

4. Pandemic Reflections and Timeline Accuracy

(13:19–18:43)

• Chris laments the drift from real-time criticism to retrospective "I told you so" blame games—urges listeners to respect how knowledge evolves.
  • Chris: "You know, very often we don't respect the timeline, we don't respect the accuracy and the evolution of situations. Why? Because we're just playing to advantage." [16:06]
• Strong rebuke of pandemic revisionism and post-hoc accusations leveled at public health experts.

5. How Do We Act for Change in a Dysfunctional System?

(19:25–22:06)

• Question: How can Americans act to change politics?
  • Chris: "Be kind. Love mercy. If you're a Christian, Love mercy ... If you're a Jew. Tikkun Olam: repair the universe ... I think [social media] is the lowest fruit and it's the most damaging to democracy." [19:25]
• Chris reflects on cognitive dissonance, self-doubt, and the willingness to change his mind—especially on issues like voter ID.

6. Voter ID and Election Security: Evolving Views

(22:06–28:54)

• Initially dismissive due to voter suppression motives, Chris now sees broad public support for voter ID and is open to it (while recognizing barriers remain for some urban and low-income Americans).
  • Chris: "All my money's online. All my bill paying is online... Everything else is online. Why isn't [voting] online?" [24:04]
  • Discusses pros/cons of online voting and the reality that current digital voting systems remain deeply insecure.
• Concern that many right-leaning changes to voting (fewer days, more ID, etc.) are about reducing turnout, not improving security: "They're representing a minority in this country, not the majority."

7. The Real Threats to Democracy: Division & Conspiracy

(33:09–45:23)

• On what Democrats should focus on: Purchasing power, not divisive culture war topics.
  • "Productivity and pay used to go like this, and then also it went like this ... They kill the unions, they ship out the jobs, they automate... the middle class falls away. That's what happened in this country." [33:19]
• Praises Scott Galloway's philosophy: "You want government to be more responsive to you? Stop putting money into the GDP."
• Challenges the myth of Trump as a populist, highlighting how he shifted from anti-bank rhetoric to pro-Wall Street positions.

8. Epstein Conspiracy Allegations—Cuomo’s Personal Rebuttal

(39:59–42:08)

• Chris directly addresses accusations he's tied to Epstein.
  • Chris: "First of all, I'm not named in the files, okay? You're full of shit... I never met Epstein. I don't know who the fuck he was. I never met Ghislaine Maxwell." [40:15]
  • Offers a substantial monetary reward to anyone who can tie him to "doing something fucking weird with Epstein."
  • Sees these smear tactics as emblematic of internet culture's rush to judgment and negativity.

9. Civil War—Dismissing Escalatory Fantasies

(42:08–45:23)

• Chris and Amrish spell out, in concrete terms, just how destructive a civil war would be for ordinary Americans.
  • Amrish: "Whatever joy that we have as a people ... all of that's gone. You want to wake up and go, just drive your car to the grocery store to pick up something. Probably not going to happen." [42:35]
  • Chris points out the hypocrisy and selective outrage over civil unrest, especially comparing January 6th to other protests: "Just think about how fucking warped you have to be and how struck by the binary you have ... The hypocrisy is fucking crazy." [42:54]

10. Final Thoughts—On Fighting Negativity & Encouraging Agency

(45:23–47:00)

• Chris acknowledges the toll of constant combat in media but reiterates his commitment to critical engagement; he demands the same from listeners: "You should draw off this, not try to say that these guys are bubble people that are somehow removed in this world of privilege. Are you kidding me? ... You're not a victim. Everybody in this life has their own agency." [45:23]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chris Cuomo to commenters on Epstein:

  "I'll give you a million dollars if you can tie me to doing something fucking weird with Epstein or any of them. Knock yourself out." [41:19]

• On American class narratives in media:

  "Nothing was given, everything was earned. They have completely different geographic and cultural landscapes. Okay, so you don't know what you're talking about." [06:50]

• On voter ID evolution:

  "I used to just ignore it. Now that I saw the polling on this and I realize, okay, so you guys just want to see it as I use ID for everything else. Overwhelmingly people have id." [22:06]

• On January 6th and hypocrisy:

  "Imagine if it had been a bunch of brothers and sisters who ran into that building that morning... You would have wanted everybody dead...The hypocrisy is fucking crazy." [44:00]

• On social media culture:

  "Haters like you. Baseless haters who don't know what they're talking about. But you think negativity is a proxy for insight. You think being negative and being on the attack gives you power. It gives you nothing." [41:58]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Media Bubble & Team Backgrounds: 04:21–07:49
• Greenland and American Exceptionalism: 08:50–12:04
• Federal Agencies Political Lean: 12:04–13:19
• Reflections on Pandemic, Mueller, and Institutional Trust: 13:19–18:43
• "How Do We Act?" and Social Media's Role: 19:25–22:06
• Voter ID/Election Security: 22:06–28:54
• Democratic Strategy: Purchasing Power & Capitalism: 33:09–38:00
• Cuomo Responds to Epstein Accusations: 39:59–42:08
• On Civil War Fantasies and American Division: 42:08–45:23
• Concluding Reflections on Criticism & Agency: 45:23–47:00

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Tone & Language

Chris is unfiltered, direct, and occasionally profane, especially when addressing what he considers lazy or dishonest attacks. The conversation is fast-paced, laced with humor (often dark or self-deprecating), and animated by a deep frustration with the current state of American political discourse and media cynicism.

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Takeaway

This episode brims with Cuomo’s characteristic blend of skepticism, lived experience, and confrontational honesty. At its core, it's a pushback against conspiracy culture, binary tribalism, and the “bubble” charge—insisting that American complexity and nuance can't be reduced to Twitter dunks or keyword searches. The call to action is clear: Be kind, check your facts, use your agency, and don’t mistake negativity for insight.

Transcript

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Rapid fire comments.

[Gregory Ott]

Go. When is the government going to work for the people?

[Chris Cuomo]

Never.

[Gregory Ott]

Pizzagate is not bullshit. It was one of the early red flags.

[Chris Cuomo]

Bullshit.

[Gregory Ott]

No more Epstein nonsense. Nobody cares.

[Chris Cuomo]

Tell that to the survivors, you mutt.

[Gregory Ott]

Does the constitution even matter today?

[Chris Cuomo]

Yes.

[Gregory Ott]

What about your testicle shrinkage and impotence? You worried about that?

[Amrish]

Yes.

[Gregory Ott]

Isn't Brick House the commodore?

[Chris Cuomo]

What?

[Gregory Ott]

Will the real Chris Cuomo please stand up? So we should let you decide who's a journalist and what laws they're allowed to break.

[Chris Cuomo]

No.

[Gregory Ott]

At least Scott Jennings has a job and combs his hair. Hey, Cuomo. Did you just crawl out of bed?

[Chris Cuomo]

Fuck you.

[Gregory Ott]

Well, that's, that's the, that's the short.

[Chris Cuomo]

He liked it.

[Gregory Ott]

Those are the short one. No, I, I, I. We filmed this podcast in your apartment. I have to tell you, there are many times I think you have just crawled out of bed. Cause you do. You do the morning show, you do this, we shoot this relatively early sometimes. Like I. The Scott Jennings stuff aside, maybe you did just crawl out of bed. I don't know.

[Chris Cuomo]

First of all, I've been up since 5:30 and my hair is curly. It's a little tousled by its natural look. Okay?

[Gregory Ott]

Au natural.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. And I would like to see the person who is criticizing my looks because I believe that you can only give as much as you are worth taking.

[Gregory Ott]

Their avatar is of a dog with its tongue out.

[Chris Cuomo]

And you know why? Cause they're ugly. Oh, right. So here's where we segue. Sometimes one is not enough. Sometimes two is not enough. Sometimes you're in the mood for a threesome. And that's what we have here today on the Chris Cuomo Project. It's the threesome back by popular demand, where the ideas in the noise sphere that we live in are processed not once, not twice, but thrice by three very different folks. Me, who you know, Gregory Ott, redoubtable producer, and a man who goes by one name, Amrish, because he doesn't want you really to know too much about him. Although it's not like he's not exactly unidentifiable.

[Gregory Ott]

No, I think it's because we just refer to him by his first name. We don't go by first name. Last name. Amrish is a last name.

[Chris Cuomo]

He does, of course. I thought he had eight names.

[Gregory Ott]

Maybe.

[Chris Cuomo]

Maybe he doesn't want people to know. He's got a whole other life in music and production. He doesn't want to get stained with this.

[Amrish]

There's like three of me in the country. If you Google my first name, I think I'm the first person to pop up.

[Chris Cuomo]

But other than that, he wants to be incognito.

[Gregory Ott]

Can I say something about that? We put out a video a few weeks ago to Transition to the YouTube comments about us. Trump's first year back. Results versus reality. This is you grading Trump and how he's done. And we weighed in. You mentioned something up top about how I wanted to get the people's take. I want to hear what the people have to say. And you mentioned that I come from the world of entertainment and Amrish comes from the world of Music. According to Quad038, the response was crying, laughing, crying, laughing. Clown face, clown face, clown face. Music, entertainment and media, telling us about how the people feel about how Trump is doing the bubble people. I think that's a pretty fair criticism when you paint us in that light, I think.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay, let's discuss one. Where are you from?

[Gregory Ott]

I am from the city of Lake Orion, Michigan, where the Baldwin Cafe is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay. Is your family. Do they own the town?

[Gregory Ott]

No, they don't even own their cars. My dad worked for Chrysler growing up, and he's been retired for, like, 20 years, but he still gets a lease car.

[Chris Cuomo]

And your mom?

[Gregory Ott]

She gets my dad's lease car.

[Chris Cuomo]

No. What does she do?

[Gregory Ott]

She has been retired for quite some time.

[Chris Cuomo]

From.

[Gregory Ott]

She studied me at paralegal and then raised us and had a couple of odd jobs after my dad retired.

[Chris Cuomo]

You went to public school?

[Gregory Ott]

I went. So I went to a. I Went to Central Michigan University. It's a very bad school. You can tell how bad a school is based if the geography is really specific. But I went there. This is true, because I. My. My dream was to go to NYU, but I knew it was 40 grand a year, and I was like, there's no way in hell me and my parents can scrounge, gather 160 grand for four years of this, or, let's be honest, 200 grand. And. And then I didn't do it. And then they were like, let's. Let's try to get rid of all the student debt. I was like, hey, man. No, I purposely went to, like, a lesser school to save money. And, you know, it's paid off. I'm working with a guy like you. But high school is public. Public high school. Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay. Amrish, where do you come from?

[Amrish]

I was born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens.

[Chris Cuomo]

And your parents are. They own Uber Technologies?

[Amrish]

No, my dad worked for the MTA as a service worker, and my mom was in medical building.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay, and where did you go to school?

[Amrish]

Public school. I went to PS108 in Queens, and then I went to 226 in Jamaica, Queens, and then Forest Hills High School.

[Chris Cuomo]

And you made your way into the music business through personal industry yet?

[Amrish]

Yeah, I played in a band, shoved myself in small places and played as much as I could.

[Chris Cuomo]

And you found your way into podcasting. You worked at Second City, which is all merit based.

[Gregory Ott]

When I was 14, at Lake Orion High School, my drama teacher got me a scholarship to go take classes at the Second City in Detroit, Michigan, where there still was with them. That's where Tim Meadows from snl, he spent a lot of time in the Detroit one. A bunch of people came up there, but, like, Second City Detroit closed down while I was in college. And my. My career goal was to, like, work at the Second City Detroit and make it into, you know, New York somehow. And then I went to Chicago and worked my ass off and I toured doing comedy shows them for seven and a half years until they fired.

[Chris Cuomo]

Now what do you fucking say about the bubble? Now what do you say about the bubble? This guy is from the middle of the country and has the exact organic experience of what made the American middle class impressive. Amhersh is the mirror image of him in the ethnic reality of coming into this country and finding avenues of opportunity and success. Nothing was given, everything was earned. They have completely different geographic and cultural landscapes. Okay, so you don't know what you're talking about. You try to describe things as they're easy. So you can put yourself on an artificial high ground and I'm sick of it. And it's what's wrong with social media. Just because you have the right to say something does not automatically mean anything that you say is right. Okay, so now you know. So shut up. Next.

[Gregory Ott]

Yeah, I was not expecting that. Like, defense of us. I, I, I. There is an elitist point of view. I, I, I could see somebody. We live in New York City, you know.

[Chris Cuomo]

No, there is an anti elitist point of view that wants to dismiss everybody as somehow unfairly advantaged, privileged, as you say, so that only this guy with his stupid screen name is a real one. He's the only real guy in the struggle. You're full of shit. Okay? Work hard. Things are gonna happen. Some are good, some are bad. Don't pretend that everybody else that you're looking at is somehow guilty, getting a break that you just didn't. Okay, enough of that. It's un American. Un American.

[Gregory Ott]

Well, hey, if you want to get to American, let's talk about. We're putting out clips from your SiriusXM show now on the podcast. And you recently interviewed your brother, or interviewed, you spoke, you had a nice conversation with him about your childhood and all sorts of things. Malibu Mashonda commented on this video. Malibu Mashonda, okay. That's the username.

[Chris Cuomo]

All right?

[Gregory Ott]

And this is a channel member. They're paying to be a member, so.

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay, thank you.

[Gregory Ott]

Yeah, she said we need Greenland.

[Chris Cuomo]

Listen, you can make a strategic case that we need Greenland. Here's a little bit of the pushback. We have Greenland. We have the biggest population outside of the people there. But there's not a lot of people on Greenland to begin with. The Vikings, they lied about that place. You know, it's really Iceland. That's the place you'd want to be, not Greenland.

[Gregory Ott]

Yeah, it's like, that's. What is it? Mighty Ducks, too? That whole exchange, walking down the street.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah. So if we do need it, and I would argue you are correct, although I think that it's a little bit of a primitive notion of how major warfare is waged. But let's stick with it, okay? You need it strategically. Okay, you have it. No, but we need it even more and more. Control. You can get it. You don't have to get it by being a jackass and saying you're gonna give it to us because we've done too much for NATO already. I mean, that's what made it so disgusting. How many times do you have to see our European cousins, our allies, our partners, be embarrassed and run in the opposite direction. For us, for you to understand that harshness is not always strength. Do you really think it's a coincidence that these people are now creating a new trade coalition in Europe spearheaded by Canada? You don't think that has anything to do with giving us the middle finger? Come on.

[Gregory Ott]

Even Europe was talking about setting up a new credit card network like MasterCard and Visa. Like, it's like a very slow in the background. All right, you know what? If you guys want to turn this off, you want to try something different, like, we're going to find a way around you. If you guys are going to be that unreliable. Like, it's a really interesting. Like the Greenland stuff seems silly on its face because it's like this like, old fashioned land grab and the dumb graphics he's putting out. But like, the consequences are like, no, all right, maybe not tomorrow. Like, Europe's not going to be our friend anymore. Like, in 10 years from now, it could be a very different landscape.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah.

[Gregory Ott]

With the way they're choosing to, you know, they don't want to use Microsoft software anymore. France has its own, like, office suite or something. They're like, nope, we're using this from now on.

[Chris Cuomo]

I had a MAGA person tell me it's manifest destiny. That's why we get Greenland.

[Gregory Ott]

Wow.

[Chris Cuomo]

I mean, what the f. Look, look, you can feel any way you want about it, okay? You can think. I have no problem with people thinking that America is just the best and entitled to everything everywhere. I'm okay with you feeling that. It's just about how you go about it, okay? I have no problem with. With someone believing they're the best. All right? As long as you perform the best, then you can say whatever you want about yourself here. You can't act the worst and then say you deserve the most just because you're the richest, even though you don't have the commitment to the collective. It's too many mixed messages. And that's what was wrong with Greenland. And that's why he moved away from the idea. That is the best evidence of which side you should be on the issue. Trump moved away from it. Same thing I've been saying about ice. He got the message that how ice is enforcing the law is wrong. It is un American. It's not enforcing the law is wrong. How they were enforcing the law was wrong. So he moved away from it. That's the truth of it.

[Gregory Ott]

Illkissel has a question about ice for you. Hey, Chris, how many left leaning people are ICE agents? These people were hired to bully the left, period. Hands down. Why won't you say it?

[Chris Cuomo]

Okay, that could be true. I don't have a roster in front of me of the people who were hired and what their political inclinations are. I always found it humorous in the Trump era when you guys decided that the FBI is a bunch of lefties. I've been doing this job for over 25 years. I would have never ascribed a lefty disposition to anyone in the federal agencies. They have always been buttoned up, conservative. Cracka cracka cracker. Amherst.

[Gregory Ott]

Do you remember when Robert Mueller was a thing and all the liberals were buying those fucking candles and everything? I can tell you how many Brooklyn gift shops had those things on clearance for five bucks.

[Chris Cuomo]

After all that, Robert Mueller was a heartbreak moment for me, by the way, in terms of my level of faith in trust. I would say my faith in trust. Why? Because I remembered Bob Mueller and what he was and what he wasn't.

[Gregory Ott]

Because he was painted as like Mr. Career Guy, if there was ever a buttoned up guy.

[Chris Cuomo]

And he was. And he was, was the Robert Mueller that we saw testify was not the Robert Mueller who made the reputation. He was past prime. And it was a big shift for me. It was, holy shit. And you're gonna say, wow, welcome this. Now, being cynical is different than being curious. I'm learning. Yeah, right. But it's not. Oh yeah, you just figured out now that everybody lies. Everybody doesn't lie. Everybody doesn't lie. Not all government institutions and agencies and workers and politicians and lawyers and every. They don't all suck. Okay, that's not true. I've had a lot of people work really hard and I've watched them do really great things for you. And I've watched people act with integrity even when it wasn't to their advantage. Does it happen a lot? Not anymore. Why? Because you get killed for it. And it's much easier to do it this way. But the day that I realized that we had been bamboozled about who Mueller was and what that impeachment investigation was about was a sad day for me. And it made me rethink a lot of things about how I do things. The pandemic was that for me also. One of my bitterest pills in being shit canned from CNN was that I did not have a platform when everything changed about the pandemic. You know, you guys, you get your timeline wrong. All your I told you sos. Not in the moment. They didn't. Not in the moment, they didn't. I lived it. We all lived it. But I lived it so acutely and intensely, okay? I was talking to everybody in power, especially after I got sick. Once I got sick and I came back, between my brother being the governor and the access I had to everything that was happening in New York City through him, and then getting sick and having all these experts from all over the world who were part of the COVID machinery trying to help me, I had some serious contacts, okay? And I'm telling you, it wasn't. There was none of these Dave Smith, Bongino, you know, skeptics in the moment. Remember, Trump gave us the vaccine. He was celebrated for Operation Warp Speed. No one else could have done it. Don't you fucking remember that? So what happened? Time. And each variant had less applicability. Efficacious effect. With the vaccine. The boosters weren't working, the uptake wasn't the same. The communication of virus was growing. Okay, why? Because it was changing faster than our vaccines were. That all happened when I was not on tv, So I was living it. Mostly out of a bottle, but I was living it and I was still sick and I was dealing with that, but I didn't have a platform. So I am okay with it. I mean, it's what I signed up for. I tell these guys all the time, you do not get to complain about things being unfair to you in the media. This is what you signed up for by being in the media. 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[Gregory Ott]

We have a post here, so we put out a thing because of the memberships on the channel. Now we have some things exclusively for paid members. If you want to join, we'll put a thing on the screen right now, but you can find it on the YouTube page. We put out a thing asking for members only questions. This is from Forge and Crown. Chris, I've joined this group because I believe, as you do, that we need to change the paradigm. I believe that people generally have cognitive dissonance and know right from wrong. I also know that the vast majority of Americans live in the political middle. My view is that the two party system is dead. It doesn't work, no longer can. Sounds like a viewer of the show really. However, talk is cheap. We do need to do something. Assume for the sake of this question that social media will not change the short term or even medium term future. Whatever we do has to be organic. Here's the question. How do we act?

[Chris Cuomo]

Be kind, Be kind. Love mercy. If you're a Christian, Love mercy. Those are the two words that define your faith. Love mercy. If you're a Jew. Tikkon olam repair the universe we're here to fix. What was done was incomplete and you have to fix it. I do not believe what you do, that social media won't change. I think it will. I think it's gonna change before anything else. Why? Cuz it's the easiest, it's the lowest fruit and it's the most damaging to the democracy in my opinion now. So I don't like that. Don't reject the idea that what would do the most good will never happen. But how do you act? I mean, look, the tricky. You, you don't need me to tell you how to act. Forging crown. That's a very cool screen name by the way. And you used cognitive dissonance, right? You know I've been using it wrong for like 22 years.

[Gregory Ott]

I think that was a comment on the video where you talked about that for a while.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah, I mean it's true because look one, I know that people will weaponize it, but I'm not aoc, okay? I know what is above and below the equator, okay? And if I don't know, I check, okay? But more importantly, I'm not gonna go running down the road of something that I'm not sure is right to run someone else down. I don't do that because of the nature of what I do for a living and a little bit of how I am as a person. I am a self loather, okay? You guys can see me as arrogant and cocksure and all this other stuff you're missing, you're missing it. I promise you that. I'm not a big fan of myself. I do often believe that somebody's not really good at something unless they're better than me. Cause I'm not impressed by my own standard. So if you're not better than me in it, how good could you be? You know what I'm saying? So that's where I come from as a place of self reference, which is to do it as little as possible. And if I do do it, it's probably in the negative. However, I am not afraid to be wrong and I'm not afraid to change my position. And I have changed my position on multiple things. For example, I used to forestall any conversation about voter ID because I knew what it was motivated by this bullshit notion that illegals vote, right? To put it in the vernacular of maga, they don't vote in any real way. And for you to say, well you can't prove they don't vote, which is proving the non existence of a fact, which is Stupid. So why would I entertain the conversation? You have a remedy in search of a problem. It's not the way it works. You have a problem and you find a remedy. You're pretending there's a remedy problem, but there isn't. So I used to just ignore it. Now that I saw the polling on this and I realize, okay, so you guys just want to see it as I use ID for everything else. Overwhelmingly people have id.

[Gregory Ott]

Can I give you a comment about this?

[Chris Cuomo]

So let's just do it.

[Gregory Ott]

I have a comment specifically.

[Chris Cuomo]

Amherst. Shut up, man. You're talking to me.

[Amrish]

Oh, dude, I'm.

[Chris Cuomo]

Because I know you don't have an id. You don't have a passport. You don't have a passport.

[Amrish]

I do have a passport.

[Chris Cuomo]

No, you don't. It's not with your real name in it, maybe. Oh, see, I'm telling you guys. Mysterious man. Well, here's every time I see him anywhere and I say amhersh, he never answers.

[Amrish]

Never answer.

[Gregory Ott]

Well, here's a real name. Amy M. 88. I personally have no problem with voter ID. Why shouldn't every American have to show ID? We have to show ID for everything else. To claim that poor people don't have ID is bogus. If they apply for any type of government assistance they need to provide id. That's just a bunch of crap. You're smarter than that. Do better one.

[Chris Cuomo]

Just because you don't have voter ID doesn't mean you're on food stamps. Okay, here's what you're leaving out of your analysis. Okay? And look, I know I don't have huge high ground on this. I just don't think you're as right as you think you are. Why? Because there are a lot of people who live in major cities and don't drive. In fact, I'll tell you in a weird way, and this is not our sample set, okay, to your little bubble thing. Do you know how many of my friends whose kids grew up in New York City do not have driver's licenses? And you know, they're using fake IDs until they're like out of college anyway, right? Because they want to get into the bars, but they have their school id, but they don't have licenses because they don't drive.

[Gregory Ott]

It blew my mind when I. When I came to New York for the first time to work. I was working with Second City. I was on cruise ships. I was a cruise ship entertainer. Can you imagine how funny that was?

[Chris Cuomo]

Some bubble.

[Gregory Ott]

This person I knew was from here and she was pushing 30 and had just gotten her driver's license for the first time. And it blew my mind again, being from Michigan, driving everywhere. But yeah, it's like in the city, it's like you don't need it. You take the subway, you take the bus, you take the cab. That's it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Fine, then use your passport. Half the country has a passport. And by the way, as somebody who's.

[Gregory Ott]

Wait, can you use a passport in your car? Oh, you mean to vote?

[Amrish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gregory Ott]

I thought you meant, like, carry a passport. I've done that because when I go borrow my mom's car, it's like, I'll have my passport for traveling. You're like, oh, shit, I have my driver's license because I never need it. Then I hope I don't get pulled over.

[Chris Cuomo]

Look, do most people have a driver's license? Yes. Should you have to prove who you are to vote? Yes. Do I understand why our culture evolved, our legal structure evolved in a way that you don't? Yeah, Jim Crow, poll taxes, There being disenfranchisement and there being intimidation at the polls. And people wanted the anonymity so that you couldn't come and kick their ass for who they voted for. So I get where it came from. Oh, but we've evolved. Now not only do I agree with you, somebody 88. Amy. 88. But I'll go even farther. Why can't we vote online? All my money's online. All my bill paying is online. Everything else is online. Why isn't this online?

[Gregory Ott]

Isn't that a can of worms, though? Like the security and stuff? Could you imagine if, like.

[Chris Cuomo]

So all your.

[Gregory Ott]

What if you vote online? And then like, Kalshee was like, hey,

[Chris Cuomo]

you want to connect your account or something?

[Gregory Ott]

You know what I mean?

[Chris Cuomo]

Maybe Amrish, because again, he's shady. But I would have to bet that amongst the three of us, I'm the only guy who keeps any kind of significant amount of cash in their house. Do you keep a lot of cash in your house?

[Gregory Ott]

What are you booking a.

[Chris Cuomo]

Where do you live again? Can I have your address?

[Gregory Ott]

I have one of those hollowed up books that has a bunch of coins in it.

[Chris Cuomo]

No, he doesn't. Yes, I. What do you mean? Why do you make that up? He doesn't. Because he saw it somewhere. Webco.

[Gregory Ott]

P, U, E, B, C, O. It says engineered plastics. If you go to my house, there's a fake book about engineered plastics and you can help yourself to about $20 and quarters. Have it.

[Chris Cuomo]

All right, well, hold on.

[Gregory Ott]

Not while my Daughter is home.

[Chris Cuomo]

So that was a very nice carve out, by the way. I like that.

[Gregory Ott]

He's always home.

[Chris Cuomo]

He's a daddy first. So you have 20 bucks in a book.

[Gregory Ott]

Yeah, it's a hollowed up coins and it's coins.

[Chris Cuomo]

I don't know, I'm just saying. That's what you have. It's a change collector.

[Gregory Ott]

Yeah. Instead of some. Because I had a pig bank and I knocked it off when I was doing this video about a holiday.

[Chris Cuomo]

You mean a piggy bank?

[Gregory Ott]

No, it was a pig.

[Chris Cuomo]

And that's not called a pig bank. It's called a piggy bank. Okay, well, Amrish, what's it called?

[Amrish]

It's a piggy bank.

[Chris Cuomo]

All right. And he doesn't even speak English.

[Gregory Ott]

Yeah, I was making this video about 711 coming out with this hot dog flavored water, and I knocked it off the shelf by mistake.

[Chris Cuomo]

Amherst, where's your family from?

[Amrish]

My mom is Trinidadian, my dad is Guyanese.

[Chris Cuomo]

And what is the main language spoken in both of those places?

[Amrish]

Bad English.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah. Every time someone. Someone says, you know, we'll be talking about Amherst. Be like, yeah, he's from Guyana. Oh, yeah. What do they speak there? We are so stupid. Like, we are so culturally in a bubble. You worry about a bubble? Like, oh, Trinidad, hi, my name is. You know, this is all British education system. Anyway, I think I'm the only one. Amherst probably has some cash. But you don't think cash, right, do you? No, no.

[Amrish]

I have some stuff in like a little lunchbox that's like, in case, like, something happens. I got like some money like something happens in my car, but everything else is in the.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm thinking for you, it's more of an escape plan.

[Amrish]

Yeah, I've never. I've never shaved this beard since I was like 14. There is no cameras that exist in this country that have seen my chin.

[Chris Cuomo]

Wow.

[Amrish]

So for, you know, how does it look?

[Chris Cuomo]

Is it amazing?

[Gregory Ott]

I can't even imagine.

[Amrish]

I don't even know.

[Chris Cuomo]

Do you have a cleft? It must be such virgin skin. It's like my son's forehead because he has that hair hanging down. He's got the most beautiful forehead I've ever seen in my life. It's not a line on it. It's never seen the sun. It's amazing. Right? So what's my point? I keep cash. Most people don't. Okay, Everything's online, but we can't vote because it's insecure. So all of my money, all of my IRS transactions are all Online. All my business sales, all the stuff for the podcast is all online. And that's okay. But we can't vote. Come on, come on. So what you want is one day go in with an id, vote on a paper ballot, straight up Luddite shit, because that's the safest way. But everything else in your life is done online. You find out if you got into college by looking for an email, but we can't figure out how to do it securely on. Come on, give me a break.

[Gregory Ott]

I don't know if you watch. Vice has a bunch of videos about this where they go to those hacker conferences every year, and the physical machines, like those things are running like Windows 95. They are very insecure. So, like, whenever there's some, like, voter ID talk, it's like the ID doesn't matter. It's the fact that, like, this is very old buggy software that many expert hackers spend all day to win some little contest, not to get money out of it, but to say, hey, I'm the best hacker in the room. They will put so much energy on that. And that is a physical machine, digital machines, any server, like, nothing is impenetrable. What Palantir just said there's some kim.com, Mr. What was he, Mega upload? Like, he's now like, hey, Palantir, guess what? There's a backdoor in there. I found out all this shit. It's like, I don't know if Palantir can allegedly get hacked. Like, I don't know how a voting system look.

[Chris Cuomo]

So fine, if you want to run it in reverse order and we go post apocalyptic in our thinking about voting.

[Gregory Ott]

Well, you're the one saying you watch Fallout Spots.

[Chris Cuomo]

I watched all of it. I got to tell you, Goggins. Goggins. Goggins is an impressive guy, though.

[Gregory Ott]

He's great.

[Chris Cuomo]

He's great. He's a little hemmed in by that character because he's got all that makeup on, but. And it's too bad because his face is so expressive, you know, and he can't really do that with the makeup on, but he. He's a talented guy. He reminds me of the Landman guy in terms of a guy who's not a. You wouldn't say, oh, leading man when you see him, but he absolutely is. What's his name? The guy Landman.

[Gregory Ott]

Billy Bob Thornton. Billy Bob Thornton.

[Chris Cuomo]

Fucking phenomenal. Phenomenal. So all I'm saying is this. Do I get voter id? Yeah. The majority wants it. Okay, fine, do it all. I'm Saying is this. As you look at it more and more it has to be about just making sure fewer people vote. It's not about safety. They don't have a well founded basis of suspicion for illegal voting. They just say it because it's an extension of the boogeyman about the brown migrants. That's what it is. The great replacement theory. The left wants them all to come in so they all vote for the left. Okay, that's your idea. But that's all it is, is an idea. It's a notion. It doesn't happen. It's not a thing. Oh yeah, but it could be. So we should use voter ID and you don't think anybody will get fake IDs? Okay, but let's put it to the side. You want it, 75% of the country wants it. Okay, I'm just saying fewer citizens will vote. Why? Cuz not everybody has an id. Well then fuck em, they shouldn't vote. Okay, but I believe this is an extension of the right. Why? Everything they're about when it comes to voting is a suppression issue. Fewer days, fewer ways. Use an id. Why? Because they want fewer people voting. Because they are representing a minority in this country, not the majority. That's not what we do. If we had a straight popular vote. I know Trump won, but he was running against fucking Kamala Harris after that debacle with Biden, okay, The Democrats kicked their ass in the popular vote most of the time. You have over 50% of the Congress is representative of less than 18 or 22% of the population of the country. Why? Because of the electoral college and how we do it and. Well then why don't we do it differently? Good luck changing the Constitution. All I'm saying is if you want it, you can have it. I feel the same way about this as I do about the death penalty. It's not gonna affect me and it does not make us safer. And you can make mistakes. And I think that there's a price to that. But most importantly, I worry about the social instruction. And here the social instruction isn't you should have an id. That's not what it is. It's. We're trying to find ways to get fewer citizens to vote. That's what we're trying to do. Why? Why not? If you're in the business of a reductive zero sum system like this where the slices are getting smaller and smaller, the smaller the pie is, the better it is for you. Now you could argue counterintuitively. No, you want a bigger pie, more well, you're assuming you'll get the majority. You're dealing with people who are motivating the change who don't get the majority. So they want the minority to be as well defined as they can. Support for the Chris Cuomo project comes from Deleteme. This is really good, man. Our information is everywhere online. Delete Me removes your personal information that is being sold everywhere. Get Delete Me. And if you do, in the age of AI, we're all going to be a little bit less vulnerable, all right? AI is making us more vulnerable. Delete Me uses the same technology to counter it. Okay? Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now at a special discount for my listeners. All right, 20% off. Delete me. Just like it sounds. D E L E T E M E. You go right to www.joindeleteme.com Cuomo and use the promo code CUOMO at checkout and you'll get a discount. The only way to get 20% off is www.joindeleteme.com cuomo. Enter the code CUOMO at checkout. All right, use my name, get a discount and get your private information offline.

[Gregory Ott]

There's another comment from a channel member, danner011 Chris, what do you think Democrats should be focusing on policy wise and strategically to do well in the midterm election?

[Chris Cuomo]

Purchasing power. Purchasing power. Purchasing power. Purchasing power. The change over time. You just show them one graph. One graph, okay. Productivity and pay. Productivity and pay used to go like this, and then also it went like this. Okay, you just show them that one graph. Why did that happen? Choices. Choices of corporations to be preferenced by government. To do only things that work best for their stock price, to reward investors. Why did they start paying their C suite people so much more than everybody else? They always paid them more. But why did it become exponential? Because who are they trying to impress with those hires? The Wall street guys. And who's betting on them and on what basis? And they made this choice. You gotta get Greg Ott, man. He's killing in the podcast space. Now Greg Ott knows that. So guess what? He wants more money. Okay? And now he's gonna go from the Chris Cuomo podcast to the so and so podcast. And guess what they're gonna do? They're gonna pay up for him. Why? Cuz Wall street thinks he's the guy who raises the numbers. It used to be the worker that they saw that. So then the C suites explode because it becomes about an executive Touchstone. Why? Because they're playing it off the investor model. They're doing it in dividends, they're doing it in right. And they're not doing it with labor. They kill the unions, they ship out the jobs, they automate. The labor becomes less and less important and what happens? The middle class falls away. That's what happened in this country. And all it was was a choice. It is not capitalism. Capitalism is you get a dollar for dollar tax deduction for every dollar you spend on health care. That's capitalism. Or is that socialism? Tell me what is that? As a business I give you a dollar for dollar tax deduction that no individual gets. Why? Because you provide jobs. It's a choice. You know what else is a choice? If you spend more than X on somebody with Y employees, you know, 50, 75, 100, whatever number you pick, you no longer get that level of deduction. You get less of a deduction. So if you pay too much for your health care, we give you less of a tax deduction. That's a choice also. Is that anti capitalism? I do not think so. It's just a different choice. If you say here is your corporate tax rate. However, if you pay your employees a certain percentage of whatever number you want to make up that just has them being paid more as a connection to your productivity, you get a different tax rate. Is that anti capitalism? No, it's a choice. Okay. We don't make those choices. Why? Because the choice structure benefits the corporations. Amherst you feeling me on any of this?

[Amrish]

I do, because especially like when I look at things especially like media and television and stuff like that, especially in modern times with the rising costs of everything, like all these subscription services and things like that. I know for a fact that the reason you're paying for Netflix and still getting ads and Hulu and you're still getting ads is because of investor profits. Same thing happens in the video game world all these. Recently there was the Video Game Awards. So at the end of it there

[Chris Cuomo]

was this big commercial.

[Amrish]

They spent tens of million dollars on this game. Didn't really announce it to anyone, didn't really test it with any audience. Within 16 days the game flopped. They are firing all the developers and they're blaming the people instead of the fact that they pushed it because a bunch of rich people thought it would do well. And then it turns out the people that it was actually modeled for didn't care at all.

[Gregory Ott]

What was game?

[Amrish]

It was called High. High Guard.

[Chris Cuomo]

High Guard. I like that. Keep your hands up. Keep your hands Up. Keep your elbows up. You got to worry about this. Bend, bend.

[Gregory Ott]

I just got a virtual boy for my Nintendo Switch.

[Chris Cuomo]

Wow.

[Gregory Ott]

It was the. It was the failed. I had one growing up. It was the. It was in red and it's like a box you put on your head and it's all in red. And every 15 minutes it's like, please stop using this, you're going to hurt your eyes. And they just re released it so

[Amrish]

I could play points in case the website's already down high guard. Yeah, yeah, the website's on maintenance now.

[Gregory Ott]

Wow. But yeah, I mean, video game costs are also like crazy because they spill. They have to spend millions upon millions of dollars to develop that stuff. And like, there's all that churn in the industry, like people working 120 hours

[Chris Cuomo]

a week put out some things, but that's all capitalism. And let me tell you something. You know how those small startups do it, right? They give people equity. So if you hit it, you hit it. Okay? Now that's what they used to do in every industry. Now they don't. Let me tell you something. I was listening to Scott Galloway the other day. You know what he says the key is to why he's so rich. Because he found good people in the companies that he would start and gave them a percentage of it and he would give away the majority of the. He's not giving it away. He says, I'd rather own 40% of something that's worth a lot than 90% of something that's not worth that much.

[Gregory Ott]

To this price conversation, what do you think of his resistance? Unsubscribe.

[Chris Cuomo]

Love it.

[Gregory Ott]

Now explain it to the audience.

[Chris Cuomo]

Here's why I love it. Scott Galloway says, you want government to be more responsive to you. Stop putting money into the gdp. Stop buying Amazon, stop subscribing to Paramount plus, stop, you know, fill in the blank. Why? Because if the GDP drops, those people are going right to government saying, you better fix this, you better fix this. And government, especially Trump, is most responsive to them. I'll tell you, it's ironic that Trump, Trump is not a populist, okay? He wants to be popular. That didn't work. But he is not a populist. And I'll tell you why. When that guy was not in office and I had him on in 2008 at ABC News to talk about the housing crisis, he bashed the shit out of Wall street every time he came on. Don't bail out the banks. Fuck them. They always fuck the little guy. They're Gonna be fine. They'll figure it out, they'll come back, take care of the little bite, put the money into them. He was right, by the way. Okay, now he's all about Wall Street. Why? Cuz the Main street thing didn't work out for him. Gas and groceries. Gas and groceries. Bill O'Reilly used to beat me over the head with that every day during the campaign when he would come on, now what? When's the last time he talked about health care? I'm gonna invite in all the big shots and I'm gonna tell when that happened. What, like a hundred things have happened since then? Not that though, right? He just says economic data, that's great, but you know, it isn't. You know, prices are going up. And look, we just got another report now that the tariffs have taken another bite out of her ass. And 90% of that bite is being paid by us, not by the corporations, especially the big ones, because they got deeper profits, deeper pockets, and they got different relationships with their vendors so they can push back more and have them absorb more than small businesses do. So small businesses are getting crushed, and that's who he was supposed to help. That's the lifeblood of the economy. See, that's why I'm coming at him. It's not Trump derangement syndrome. It's delivering for the people he promised to. Because I care about that constituency, that's why. And these are just choices. That's all I'm saying. They're just choices. Give me another one.

[Gregory Ott]

We've got a couple of these from the recent Epstein episodes. This is from SKSM 9mm. Didn't Epstein attend Andrew Cuomo's wedding? And tarmarfunkycoldmadina. Chris, didn't you have a dinner party with Epstein? You were named in the files.

[Chris Cuomo]

First of all, I'm not named in the files, okay? You're full of shit. There is a reference to my name from a friend of Epstein's who was trying to tell him about who her guest list is, was for some screening that I don't even know I ever went to. And that friend of Epstein's was a business and personal friend of my wife because they're in the same, like, event business. So that was how I'm in. I never met Epstein. I don't know who the fuck he was. I never met Ghislaine Maxwell. She said in an interview with some AG guy who was chasing her about knowing me, by the way, in terms of what's this about? Why would the DOJ Be chasing Maxwell with second and third references about whether or not she knew me. I don't know who she is. She was friends with my sister in law. My sister in law doesn't even remember ever introducing her to me. So I don't even know who the fuck she was. And I don't know Epstein. I was never with either of them. I was never at parties with him. I wasn't at a wedding with him. I don't know who these people are. You're just fucking wrong. And what you did was a keyword search. My name comes up. You don't bother to read it because you're fucking lemming. And then you want to, you know, be high in the. Oh, it's about you and your brother. Release all the files. Do you understand me? Take it from the doj. You take all of them, give it to a special commission. Dump all of it, okay? I'll give you a million dollars if you can tie me to doing something fucking weird with Epstein or any of them. Knock yourself out. This is what's wrong with us as a culture. Haters like you. Baseless haters who don't know what they're talking about. But you think negativity is a proxy for insight. You think being negative and being on the attack gives you power. It gives you nothing. I promise you that. And that's why you are where you are, commenting on shit.

[Gregory Ott]

Let me. I'll end this on a sunny note. This comment was held as potentially inappropriate from your episode on how Trump might try to rig the big terms. Magic K. Deleon 2112 says, let's just have a civil war already.

[Chris Cuomo]

It easy to say Amrish, what happens in a civil war?

[Amrish]

Lots of people die and lots of

[Chris Cuomo]

division is what happens to our way of life, what happens to everything that we enjoy every day, literally.

[Amrish]

You can't live your daily life that's gone. Like whatever joy that we have as a. As a people that we placate ourselves for so that we can continue to enjoy. All of that's gone. You want to wake up and go, just drive your car to the grocery store to pick up something. Probably not going to happen. You know, want to take your kids out to do something nice? Probably not going to happen.

[Chris Cuomo]

You love the acronym not us, but in MAGA world, they love the acronym F A, F O. Keep fucking with the democracy and see what happens. Keep living in this cuckoo existence where you're worried about the protesters in Minneapolis, but you didn't have any problem with what happened on January 6th and when I say January 6th, you roll your eyes like, oh, again, we've never seen anything else like it ever. Okay? Just think about how fucking warped you have to be and how struck by the binary you have. The hypocrisy is fucking crazy. I sat and watched my 16 year old daughter be completely flummoxed. Gobsmacked, British term. Gob is your mouth watching video of January 6th. Cut again, this thing on YouTube. Cut against how they saw Black Lives Matters and other things. She was like, wait, why are they. Well, no, I get it. Those are riots going on there. People are like doing terrible things on the streets and stuff. That's really bad. They attacked the Capitol because, you know, I mean, she's just learning now. Like, second reference. You know what I mean? That's how crazy we are. And I said it when it happened, okay? When January 6th happened. And the right went right into apology mode, right? And how this wasn't a big deal. And then Tucker Carlson came out with that video and won all these subscriptions from you people by showing you selective video of it that showed. Oh, nobody really did anything. I said, imagine if it had been a bunch of brothers and sisters who ran into that building that morning. Imagine that. Imagine if it had been the pussy hats and a bunch of lefties with a lot of black people and brown people. You would have wanted everybody dead. The MAGA folks, they would have wanted everybody dead. Okay? You just flip it and now it's bad for you if it's a bad thing. So it just goes away. There is no cognitive dissonance. There is no cognitive dissonance left. I used to say, because cognitive dissonance means. Sounds like what it means. Like you know this shit's wrong, but you do it anyway. No, that's not what it is. Cognitive dissonance is the feeling of disgust in your gut. What we used to call the gagarelle in Italian, cacarelli. Which is the feeling that, like, you're gonna throw up, you're gonna shit your pants. Cause you have pain in your guts.

[Gregory Ott]

Why?

[Chris Cuomo]

Because you know that what you're doing isn't in concert with what you say matters to you. We need more cognitive dissonance. We need to get back to right and wrong and fuck right and left, okay? That's why I'm doing the threesome. That's why I want to bring in your comments. I get hot about things that you say. Why? I hate the negativity. I hate the reductive nature of it. I hate you surrendering critical thought to mere advantage and cherry picking and gotchas. Especially thinking you're going to do it with me. I'm in the arena by choice. I live in Thunderdome. As a consequence, I fight every fucking day. I have to gird my loins for battle every day. I read all day, every day. This was my choice. Not a healthy one. And I don't even know that it's productive. To be honest, I don't even know that I'm helping. And it's the only reason that I want to do this. So be warned. If you think you're going to come at me and it's going to be easy, you better pack a lunch. What I'm trying to say is that shouldn't even be your instinct. You should draw off this, not try to say that these guys are bubble people that are somehow removed in this world of privilege. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? They are here because they made it to here, which is always what the standard has been in America. You can feel whatever you want about me, but just check yourself when you're talking about other people, okay? You're not a victim. You're not a victim. Everybody in this life has their own agency. So, Amrish, who shall not be named. Yeah, Gregory Ott. Which is not his real name, full name.

[Amrish]

What are you talking about?

[Chris Cuomo]

Last name is really Otter. O, T T, E, O.

[Gregory Ott]

No, people give that to me as like a nickname. Like, hey, Otter. It's like, okay, yeah, it's his real name. I don't know. It's Ott. But I'm telling you, it was abridged. At some point they kind of. They came over on the boat. I don't know what happened to it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Well, you're like, oh, gee, you know, you were like, dressed like pilgrims when your people came over.

[Gregory Ott]

Well, then. No, they were dressed like Swedes.

[Chris Cuomo]

Let's hear it. Come on.

[Gregory Ott]

I went over there. Nobody talks like that. They're all I met, like a diplomat

[Chris Cuomo]

who I'm related to.

[Gregory Ott]

It was fun, but they didn't talk like that. They all have very good health insurance. They live in very nice, modest homes.

[Chris Cuomo]

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