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I've been in it for years. I own all this shit, okay? I have no investors, nobody is paying me. Except the ads that I read for you, okay? It's all transparent, it's all me. Nobody tells me what the fuck I can say and how you know, how you know. Nobody else would let me say it that way. So fine, I'm in. I dig it. But I'm a journalist. Not all these people are oh, what's the difference? Everybody's the same. No, they're not. And that's where Zuckerberg is trying to have it both ways. You want to blame the legacy media for chasing after and writing so many stories about mis and disinformation that you've made it impossible to have any trust. Stop allowing so much bullshit on the site. Don't say you don't know how to do it. You are creating the algorithms. You are creating the solutions to what works well and what doesn't. You're deciding what kind of traction I get. You're deciding how many people are going to follow me. You know how to do it, so it's not a can't, it's a won't. And I respect it. But be honest. I don't want to be in this game. It's gotten too tricky for me. It's gotten too personally hazardous. I'm getting beat up too much. I'm just worried about profits. I want to find a way to cash in. That's what I'm really about. I'm not about uniting the world. I'm not about information as power. Because if I were, I would care about the quality of information. What I'm about is profits. And that's fine. But the idea that the Wall Street Journal is part of the problem and some punk in a ski hat with a podcast is the solution is silly and I'll tell you why.

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Same problem with Zuckerberg. It's all about profits. Oh, okay. So it's all about profits. Yeah. That's all corporate media is about. Okay. Now two things that will decide the profits. Okay. Your competitive advantage over others. Right. And your goodwill within the space. That's what does it. To deal with those constraints, what do all the companies have? Layers. Standards and practices, vetting. I would have never been able to read you this email and say it may come from him, may not. No one's told me it isn't. We don't get to do that. Why? Cause I may be wrong and it's misleading and it hurts the brand if you do that. So there are standards and practices. I have to have conversations with people all the time about what's going to be on the show. What am I going to say? I have to explain it to Dusty. Dusty has to explain it to Mike Korn, the president of News Nation. He's going to think about it. Is this a legal issue? He's going to call the lawyers, they're going to talk back. They have an ethics review panel and they have all these people been doing the job for decades and decades and they're going to be like, you know what? We never really say things like that before. I think it's a little reckless. Maybe you should say it a different way. And we have these conversations like this all the time. Do you get it wrong? Sure. Do you rush to judgment? Sure. It's all done by human beings. You're gonna have these problems. But the idea that it's better with less checks, with less accountability. You can't even sue these punks the way you can these companies. So this guy goes on, who's like a funny guy, and he decides to tear you in half with all lies and bs. You're going to have some time going after him. And then when you do, what kind of pocket are you going to tap? Sure, he's desperate, trying to get rich. Oh, let's go to that part right now. Because when you sue him, you're not going to get his pocket. Right. Because the corporation probably owns Dick. Right. Because it's a flow through entity. So you're going to have to go after him personally. Good luck with that. And what if he doesn't have any money? How do you get your reputation back? How do you get made Whole. Okay, now. Well, the problem with corporate media is that it's all profits. Oh, okay. But not on the independent side. No, not them. They're doing it for free, right? Oh, no, they're not. Oh. And a lot of them can't get the same advertising base. Why? Oh, because they're so provocative, and a lot of brands want to stay away from them. Ooh, I wonder what that should mean to you. So what do they do to make their money? They have to be provocative. How provocative? And how do we know that it makes a material difference? Oh, I'll tell you how. You had these guys on the right that were putting out stuff that was believed to be so destructive to American dialogue, let's call it not by me, by the way, but by Russian intelligence agents that they started to fund their efforts. No, I do not believe and I do not think it is fair to say that Russia put words or ideas in the mouths of these podcasters. I don't think that's fair. I have not seen that proven anywhere. What I've seen is even worse, that Russia decided to pay these guys to keep doing what they were doing on their own. And the guys did not have the infrastructure or the lack of arrogance to make them insecure about why someone wanted to give them hundreds of thousands of dollars to do what they're already doing from places that they'd never really heard of. So they just took the money. Guess who? Can't do that. Chris Cuomo. Can't do that. Can't do it here. Why? Cause I also work for News Nation. I gotta think about who my sponsors are. I gotta think about where money comes from. I've done one deal. I wanna do a bunch of deals with different things. I believe in cbd. I believe in cannabinoids. I'm using them in my own life. My family uses them. We believe in them. I want to do it. I haven't yet. Why? Got to find the right partner. It doesn't bring controversy onto the brand. And when I'm there with News Nation now, they got to own it. They don't have those kinds of constraints on them. They are all about what's most provocative. Do you really think that there's no coincidence that so many people on the right go after every sacred cow and everything that makes people suspicious of norms? You don't think that that's opportunistic ever? You think that they all just became pocket scientists about COVID They just all became virus specialists. They just all became concerned about the vaccine? They're all libertarian all of a sudden because, boy, that's done really well in America. Remember that great president who was a libertarian? Oh, I know. I mean those senators. Oh, I mean the congressman. Oh, I mean a governor. No, nobody ever. They never do anything. Libertarian is a way of saying, I'm better than you, but I don't do anything with it. So fine. They want to sell themselves that way, that's fine. You like it, great. Consume it. But the idea that it's better because it's unfettered, it's unrestricted, well, maybe it's completely wild and off base and done just to make you believe things that aren't true or aren't fair or aren't complete or. Or aren't accurate. Legacy media. Look, everything that man does is flawed. The idea that a company that is a public company that has review by government competitors in their midst, desperate to see them fail, so that they are constantly qcing them, right, quality checking them, competing against them, checking their stories, trying to find errors, trying to blow you up. That's the nature of this business. Hunter S. Thompson was right. It is uglier than most things. It is a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs for no good reason. A money trench dug through the heart of journalism. Fair, fair, fair. But it doesn't get any better when you take away the guardrails, does it? How do we know? Because look at even what happened with this guy in Vegas. You don't know that any of that information is real. You got all these people spun up about what he knows about drones. He didn't even work with the kinds of drones that we're seeing in the air that people are worried about. I mean, look, I believe that things have to get better and I believe that they can. And I believe that there are plenty of problems in the media. And look, I get why many of you will say from time to time, or all the time, I've been part of them, I get it. And you're free to do that. And I signed up for that because there's accountability with what I do. And that's part of being in the media, mainstream media. What do you want to be in the rogue fringe media that nobody knows where they're getting their information or what they do or who's paying them for it. That's better. Come on. I mean, look, when it comes to opinion, that's fine, that's fine. But this has gotta stop. And Zuckerberg, of all people, blaming legacy media for his problems the most corporate, the most craven, the most profit oriented guy. In the midst of all of this, you see him when he testifies. I'm open to regulation. I'm open to it. I'd like you people to give me the answers and figure it out so that I can find ways to make money around what you're telling me to do. And it would be nice for everybody to have the same regulations so that then I don't have to worry about being better than anybody else. Come on, come on. You don't want to fact check, own it. It's too hard. I can't please enough people. And that's what I'm worried about. I'm not worried about being accurate. I'm not worried about being able to say, look, I know how we do what we do, and I stand behind it. And fuck the rest of you. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. He doesn't want to say that. There's a little bit of it. Him kissing up to the new administration and them running roughshod about mis and disinformation. It's absolutely a boogeyman on the right. But I'll tell you what, when Trump is inaugurated and he gets in, guess what they're gonna start saying? Guess what they're gonna start saying? I watched this movie already. As soon as he gets in, everybody who criticizes him is gonna be part of the fringe media that shouldn't be trusted anymore. We lived it the first time. But now digital media is much bigger. Even the same people who are supposedly his boys, right? He's gonna start making choices that inevitably are gonna divide, right? I mean, that's the nature of leadership, right? Even if Trump does the job as fairly as anyone ever has, which he won't, but even if he did, they'll start going after him and then watch how he shits all over those podcasts. Who is this punk guy sitting at a table? He's a comedian. He does. What was he? You'll see. So forget about him as a safe haven. And that goes for you too, Zuckerberg. You think Trump is here to help you? No, he's here to help himself. And if what's on your platform is good for him, fine. And if it isn't, you suck. And that's still gonna be the case. And I'm telling you, this idea that Mark Zuckerberg wants to blame legacy media and this misplaced inclusivity, he says that this social movement has gone too far. Maybe, but that's not your problem. Your problem is Convincing people that your space is worth their money and time and interest, just like mine. And you do that through having material that they find interesting they can trust so that they want more of it. You don't want to do that anymore. You want me to do it for you? You want me to go on your site and kind of crowdsource information? I'll tell you what, if I were the lawmakers, here's what I would do. You want to do community notes, okay, fine. You don't want to be responsible for it, fine. But you should be accountable for it and you should be able to be sued and there should be standards and we should figure it out. Because I don't think you should get a pass because you're not getting a pass on the profits. You just want to pass on the responsibilities that lead to them. And I think that this is just bs.

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Try it. You'll like it. I'll be 100% honest with you. Okay? If I could make the money that I want to make doing just this and my substack, which I'm now just turning into a wellness platform that my wife will probably take over at some point or something, I would not be on anywhere else. I wouldn't work for anybody else. Why? Why would I want to work for somebody else when I can do it myself? Now, do I think that I can do it as well? Well, with whatever I'm covering, yeah. But I won't be able to cover as well as any real organization. They got too many people, they got too much reach, they got too many resources and assets and capabilities. So, no, I'm not gonna be able to cover the world the way CNN can. But whatever. I'm covering my reporting, what I know, my sources, I'm okay a lot more than these guys on digital media. I mean, are you kidding me? They're not reporters. They don't have sources. That's why they go with some sources and they take it from other places and then they package it in an opinion, which is fine. But the idea that they are at an advantage against the Wall Street Journal because they cherry pick every time somebody gets something wrong, like, you know how easy that is to do. How often do they get things wrong? How often do they have truth? They want you to believe that the vaccine that Donald Trump got us faster than we could have ever gotten it otherwise. He says, and everybody seems to agree, the man they voted for and supported for president wound up producing something that's poison. The COVID vaccine kills. The COVID vaccine kills more people than it helped in any way. That's what they want you to believe, and you should have never been forced to take it. Now, by the way, I don't believe you were forced to take it. There was freedom of choice. There wasn't freedom from consequence for those choices. You got the government, Donald Trump, saying, this is what we need to do to do it. And then you think you're gonna get the same access everywhere if you don't do those things. And you don't think that the numbers show that when the vaccine came out and made it into the vulnerable communities, we didn't see a precipitous drop in the cases and in serious illness. It's not even a close call. Now here's the real last point I want to make. All right, Zucker is bullshit. Own your responsibilities, not just the profits, and do not blame people who do the job for you not wanting to do the job. We got to figure out social media, because I'm telling you right now, you and I get duped on social media all the time. Whether it's a girl that my son is showing me that is not real, or something that happened fishing that didn't really happen because it's AI all over the place, or there's information coming out of my face about what you should buy, and it's not me. And I've never heard of the product before. Or all of the subtle suggestions from people who are saying what they know that they heard that's about to happen. That's never true. These are real problems. They have to be solved. We haven't dealt with this challenge before. The marketplace of ideas and media has never been as expansive. It is now. Elon's right. Everybody is part of the media right now, but they're not equally responsible and they're not equally capable of doing the job the right way. You are the media. Now, Elon Musk retweets things that he should not from a responsible perspective on a regular basis. What's going on with both of these guys? Having been at Fort Bragg, by the way, it's called Liberty for the last couple of years, not Bragg. Oh, so what? That's Penny? Yeah, but that's not the kind of mistake I can make. Do you understand? Cuz I got three people who are gonna tell me it's not called Bragg anymore. Where have you been since 2023, Cuomo? Well, I got shit canned in the end of 2020, so you gotta give me a little bit of a break. But yeah, I should have corrected that. See, he doesn't have that guardrail on him. Yeah, but who cares what it's called? Fine, well, how about the suggestion that they were there at the same time they weren't. Well, but they were still both at Fort Bragg. How about not giving you the context that it's the largest hub for our troops in the country and it would be more weird if they had never been through there. And now what do we know? Well, they didn't know each other. There's no connection between the two things, except that more and more people are trying to hurt more and more people in our country. He had it totally wrong by Nature of his suggestion. Do I fault him for it? No. But that's the guy that's the arbiter of truth. That's the guy who's saying we're all the media. Zuckerberg is the same way. And by the way, he's worse than Musk, because least Musk is up front. And I'll be honest, I'll give you a prediction. Musk is gonna get his wings clipped. I'm not saying I like it, I'm not sure. I gotta see what happens and how, but he's not gonna be able to keep talking about things with this kind of suggestion that he speaks for the United States, what we're seeing in the uk, and them starting to go after Trump about being buddies with Musk. As soon as it gets anything less than good for Trump, the relationship is over. I guarantee you that. I've already been surprised that Musk is hung in there when Trump has no use for EVs, and that's a big way that Musk makes money. Ever notice how he never says shit about Trump saying that EVs are the worst things in the world and they shouldn't be made the way they are and you shouldn't have to use them? You notice Musk, the truth teller, has never talked about that in any meaningful way. Wonder why? Because he has his own biases, you see? And that is the problem with one mind owning an entire space. That is the advantage of layers and of different viewpoints that have to be served and satisfied within an organization. The idea that having layers of accountability and vetting and something that can be sued and be held responsible financially, maybe even criminally, depending on what it is, is the problem. No, what Zuckerberg is playing at right now is the problem that he doesn't have to do shit but open up the doors, let all the animals in, and then hope you police yourselves and he gets paid all day long. No, that doesn't work for me. Well, then what's the answer? I don't know. I'm just a guy on digital media, right? I don't have to have the answers, but I know the right questions and I know him blaming legacy media and an inclusive social dynamic that's gone run amok. That's what he blames for him, hiring people who aren't doing the job that he told them to do the way he wants them to do it. That's his excuse. Give me a break. It's bullshit. But it is something that we have to address and we have to think about and it's not going to get better anytime soon. It's going to get worse. Why? Because people know there's money in the space now. Now, I think what will happen, especially on the right, is you're gonna see a better grade of talent getting involved on the right. You're gonna start seeing bigger names in comedy, in entertainment, in thought, in social dialogue, in political dialogue. Entering the fray there and getting podcasts and platforms, whatever. But they're gonna carry with them more of a brand sensitivity than some punk with a snow ski hat on, you know, and they're gonna want people around them to make sure they get things right, because they're gonna care about what people think beyond just what they follow and what they subscribe to. It's gonna matter. Because remember, these guys have nothing to lose. They came in here with nothing. They're not people who worked in politics. They're not people who worked in the news. They haven't been around the world. They don't know the history. They don't have sources. They haven't had to learn what to say and not say say. This is all upside for them. We've made it very easy, but it won't stay this easy. And that's not because there's something sinister going on. It's because there's gonna be selectivity within the marketplace, and people can only scare you so much for so long. And guess who's not gonna be as interested in the scare you business as much anymore? Donald John Trump. And I bet you that once he's in there and these issues start coming up, he's gonna start pointing the finger at the Zuckerbergs and saying, you better figure this out, man. This is your business right now. He's not. Why? Because it's not good for him. But it will be at some point, and that's when he'll start acting. And all these people who think they're pleasing him right now are going to be sorely mistaken. Mr. Zuckerberg, you're supposed to be a genius. You were way out in front with social media. Now you're way behind because you are showing the worst move yet. And how we get to a better place. Community Notes is not your idea. It's somebody else's. Somebody else who isn't really. He isn't really interested in the actuality and the accuracy and the fairness of his platform. He just wanted to balance out what he saw as a crazy lefty advantage, and he's done that. I think the business has taken somewhat of a beating as a result. But that's not my primary concern. The my primary concern is creating a fair platform and getting things right for you and telling you when I got them wrong and correcting them. And everybody's got to be in that business. They all say they are, but they rarely walk the talk. I'm telling you, this Zuckerberg stuff is bullshit. The legacy media and culture are not his problem. His lack of accountability and innovation. Ironic, right? His lack of creativity in figuring out how to do better is his problem. And you will see that exposed very soon. I'm Chris Cuomo. Thank you very much for hearing my take on this. You let me know where you agree or if I'm just angry about it. Thank you for subscribing and following. I'll see you at News Nation every weekday night at 8p Eastern. And if you want to join me on my little I'm sick of being red and flushed and fat and I'm going to take three months and I'm going to show you on a regular basis what I'm eating, how I'm moving and how I'm recovering and what I'm using to do it. And no, nothing's going to involve a needle. I can't handle them. And I. I'm not sold on these GLP drugs. That's my substack. Okay? That's what it's gonna be. And yes, the long Covid stuff is still gonna be there. Cause that's part of my struggle. And I don't know if it's from the vaccine. It doesn't make sense in the timing. I had symptoms before I got vaccinated. So to me it's not about a vaccine injury. I only had those first two shots. I never got boosted. But I am covering what I'm seeing. I am covering my long Covid. There is a conflation and a coordination there of these things. I have some of the best minds in the business helping me. So that's there for you. Be an independent thinker. Be a critical thinker. Don't get owned. Don't get co opted. Don't follow lead. That's what let's get after. It's all about you. Be the master of your own destiny. I'll see you soon.