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Chris Cuomo
Got a question you got a comment let's get after it chris cuomo here from the chris cuomo project with the redoubtable producer gregory ott what do you.
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Gregory Ott
Got lots of calls that you won't doubt or redoubt what does redoubtable mean.
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Chris Cuomo
Redoubtable means that you are the real.
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Gregory Ott
Deal yes that's true okay i'm the real deal i am the real producer and these are real calls from people calling into the show we'll start with those.
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Caller
Chris hey longtime fan i put you right up there with ted and walter but you're just plain wrong chris i don't know why you're always sticking up for our idiot president like tonight for instance you're saying that the president was joking when he says he hates when he was given his now he wasn't joking that that is him that is the real him and he keeps getting away with it over and over people just keep saying that's just trump being trump that that is a real trump and i really wish you wouldn't say he was joking he was not joking chris anyway thanks keep up the.
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Gregory Ott
Good work if i'm not mistaken the thing he's talking about was the trump.
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Chris Cuomo
Speech where he said i my enemies yeah charlie kirk for charlie kirk's wife erica forgives her enemies i don't why do i say he's joking well one he said he was joking two it did come across as if he were joking three very often in a joke there is some truth and i think he absolutely hates his enemies and i think he is also not really a christian in terms of living it the way people would suggest that one should and that's okay we're all flawed we're all flailing but the point is i am not a defender of the president i am a defender of decency okay i go at the president and this administration every fucking night when it's called for do i ignore certain things yeah why because i talk about nothing else except what they up with and i know for some of you that's all you want that's why certain social media platforms and certain influencers on the left are popping now their their reach is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and they're getting into the millions and that's so good for their bottom line but i don't know that it's good for the country because it creates this silo or bubble or whatever metaphor effect limitation on what you take in here's another reason trump sucks here's another reason that they're corrupt here's another reason that they're nazis here's another reason is that where does it get us they have been weighed and measured you know who and what these people are okay is that what you're going to do all through the midterms and you think you're going to win back the house of representatives by not offering the majority in this country who are not in your fucking bubble nothing that makes their life better except what maybe getting rid of all these people that's not gonna happen better ideas better solutions competence showing that by comparison you are a better choice for them and their families how do you do that be on the right side of eighty twenty stupid cultural issues that don't even really matter instead of seeming to defend the most perverse crazy things and fighting for what does matter and having better ideas the shutdown's a perfect example cutting medicaid for the people who need the subsidies who are in large percentage maga voters is not the way to justify the tax cut it's bad policy and i believe the left has high ground on that but they're not arguing it the right way and they're not cleaning up the things that need to be cleaned up within that framework so they're giving the republicans an out and now we're stuck in something that's all about who's worse instead of how to make things better i'm no defender i'm a defender of our decency this.
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Gregory Ott
Is just an editorial note he says jimmy kimmel but the audio cuts out but that's what he's talking about here.
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Caller
Hi chris you know you used to be one of my heroes man but if you really think that the jim tank was a business decision i just i don't know what to say i used to agree with everything that you said i don't know where you can i don't know what happened i guess you're worried about trump taking you off the air anyway you probably won't even hear this but you are a mentor and you are a hero and i just don't know where your mind as far as that's concerned all right first.
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Chris Cuomo
Of all thank you for like the half compliment but even if i were dead wrong on this and you're right it just erases everything you've ever thought about me ever before until now what i just say i want to eat babies is that what i just said i mean come on man don't be so fucking zero sum so you know all in on things and not don't say yeah i'm all in on truth this is this social media toxification of your critical thinking that you know you don't just scroll love hate love hate love hate even if you were right and i'm wrong on this one it just completely changes everything for you it's way too fucked up okay second i'm not wrong you have no proof that the fcc chair said what he said to benny johnson you know in a stupid podcast to the head of disney or the station group that had the abc stations or to abc proper you have no proof and the head of disney and the head of the station group say they never had communication with him about it so you're saying they're liars and that something happened that you can't prove because you heard him say it on the podcast now if your argument is well he said it on the podcast and that's what made it happen i don't accept that that is not critical thinking is it possible yeah it's possible and then why did they refute it well because they have a deal that they want to get done before this government just like paramount that's why abc settled on the stephanopoulos thing that's why sixty minutes settled that's why youtube just settled that's a better argument that's a better argument and if this were a president with scruples that led him in a direction of something other than advantage he would want nothing to do with litigation like this because it looks like blackmail make that case but the idea that you know for a fact it wasn't a business decision even if i'm wrong i'm still right because even if it's about them wanting to buy this station group even if it's about them not want to or want not wanting to be blackmailed or blackballed by trump it's still a business decision because they're doing what's better for their business to buy their stations or to to do whatever it is they want to do to the merger or whatever it is now do i think all that's wrong yeah i do but it doesn't make my analysis wrong they were making a business decision whether they were making that business decision for good reason or bad reason is a separate question and even if my analysis is off i'm not hiding from fucking anything okay i work at the place that is owned by the place that took jimmy kimmel off and i said i didn't like that he was taken off but it was a business decision not a first amendment violation unless we have proof of state action and i don't have it i just have the fcc guy saying it to benny johnson when asked if he told that to them directly he said no and the heads of both of the places said no what am i supposed to just ignore the fucking facts because i don't like them seems like that's what you're asking me to do and i think the larger point is here that i don't like going all in on something for effect i know that works on social media i don't think it works for our society i mean just look look at how you say oh i used to think you were a mentor i used to think you were this now because i said one fucking thing you disagree with come on brother i don't give a fuck what you think about me at the end of the day that's your choice but i mean have a better basis you know i mean just so if your friend screws up one time you're never friends with them again i don't believe that you sound like a decent guy you sound like a guy who cares deeply i respect that and i appreciate you for it but you know feel out the context man fear will feel where i'm coming from and why i'm coming from there and then you judge.
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Caller
Hi chris this is patrick from san diego california and i enjoy watching show on your podcast i do think you're crawling up the wrong tree in one account on your demonization of the party system i think the real issue is that we need new leaders on both sides they failed us over and over again and we need to get a whole new cast of people in there to stop this ridiculousness the party system isn't going to change it going independent isn't going to change that anyway my thoughts i think going.
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Chris Cuomo
Independent can change it i do think you need new people but it ain't the players it's the game if i could change one thing in society what i would change and i don't know how to do this exactly but what i would change magic wandi citizens united is a death sentence for our democracy now in rereading the opinion recently i can't say that it's a shitty opinion i could have said that about roe v wade that they were kind of arguing something that didn't really exist through precedent even though i liked the outcome and still do i believe in reproductive rights and i believe that they should be in the domain of the person whose body it is and i do not accept that from conception a set of cells or then a zygote or a fetus or a baby is a person in the eyes of the law certainly early on i i don't accept that that's my opinion well what else could it be a cactus no i didn't say it's not going to be a person if you know everything goes right and it's born and healthy but i mean it's just inconsistent we know that at the end of life people can lose the legal attachments of rights of being a person right because they're no longer compos mentis and somebody else has to make legal decisions for them but that doesn't apply to the beginning so to me reproductive rights should be the domain of the person whose body we're talking about my larger point is that the game not the players okay citizens united these tech bros aren't getting regulated we're not having even playing field in the media because the money it's all the money even if you guys are right about israel having a stranglehold on america you know why because we're for sale because it's legal the most dangerous money in our politics is legal because of citizens united it made money speech and i hate that but i can't say i hate it because legally it makes no sense i can't say that but i do believe that we need legislation that challenges it and then someone like a trump who has control over the court which i think he does which is really depressing and so wrong but i do think he does to make them approve getting rid of citizens united now i don't know that doing it that way wouldn't be a bigger travesty than citizens united itself because it sounds so corrupt even as i'm saying it but that's what's killing us if you don't change that it doesn't matter who's playing because if they want to be successful playing they're going to have to play by the rules of the game and the rules suck i've.
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Gregory Ott
Never heard somebody lay that out actually like the actual way to get rid of citizens united like you think it would take somebody like a president who has control of everything to basically ram that through you know congress or whatever like there's no popular way of doing it of like oh the states have voted on this and blah blah you know you're saying that like it would take a real force of will to.
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Chris Cuomo
Well here's the problem new york decides this rule sucks we're going to have our own rule for money in our state now you sue and say you are contravening federal law and you win because citizens united now or it appeals up through the ranks and citizens united gets overturned because as we have now learned what i've always known as a lawyer stare decisis is bullshit nothing is settled law as long as they decide.
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Gregory Ott
To settle it again thomas said this the other day in like yeah he's.
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Chris Cuomo
Old enough now and losing it enough that he told the truth he's like my mother you know what i mean you know you were never the best looking one you know this is when you get old sometimes you lose filters you know sometimes it's bad sometimes it's good but so they could change the decision and in doing that that would be amazing but you would need companion legislation also you gotta get rid of pacs super all this i don't know who's given the money and you can give as much as you want of course the rich are gonna win now always no trump won with less money but he got a lot of free media in twenty sixteen you see populist movements that are that upset campaigns no matter how much money they have as an advantage because matter more than money at the end of the day but in general they totally corrupt the process and they absolutely corrupt the legislative process because they're lobbying they're throwing money into the packs so i don't give it to you because they're limits but the pact it just happens to be very good to you at campaign time i just gave fifty million dollars to yeah.
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Gregory Ott
I remember when ted cruz was running a while ago like like two hours of b roll of him just hanging out with his family just happened to have been leaked not leaked but placed in oh well this pack happened to find this url that had all this video footage that was perfect for an ad showing ted cruz having dinner with his lovely family like it's this like this completely it's like that when you have one of those like japanese walls made of paper or whatever it's like it's like it's very opaque but like clearly oh no we've put something up here they could clearly not see us and just like yeah i see exactly what's going on to me it's like.
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Chris Cuomo
You know so you'll get these guys you know they're running for office their friends are running the pack but they.
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Gregory Ott
Don'T coordinate right they have no idea.
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Chris Cuomo
I mean look and again i'm not saying they're all dirty this is the game and the game sucks so you need all new leaders yeah great if you have aoc in there if she's your leader is she gonna make things better far left lightning rod of antagonism for your opponents and for a lot of people in the country she has never passed a piece of meaningful legislation she has never run anything in her life okay and all she does well is what raise money that's what she does well you got to take the money out of the game support comes from aura how do you feel about data brokers making billions selling your information without your consent we all know it's happening right destroying our privacy getting all this stuff that you didn't ask for and you can't make it stop and they make no effort to stop any of the scammers and spammers and stalkers from buying it right that's where aura comes in aura protects your privacy by identifying data brokers who are selling your information aura takes care of the hard part automatically removing your info from these sites and keeping it off there are a lot of services that offer this but none of them offer as many features as aura for the same price alerts if your personal info info is found on the dark web real time fraud alerts for credit and banking twenty four seven monitoring to help keep your identity secure a secure vpn antivirus password manager and more us based support available around the clock if something goes wrong and if anything does happen aura includes five million dollars in identity theft insurance protection and they have us fraud experts ready to help twenty four seven it's a good deal try aura free for fourteen days okay just go to aura dot com cuomo in those two weeks aura will get to work scrubbing your personal information off these data broker sites all right i'm not going to leave myself vulnerable i'm not going to do that to my family you shouldn't either.
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Gregory Ott
This is a batch of comments and calls that have to do with the murder of charlie kirk.
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Caller
Reference kirk i'd just like to express that he would not want that boy put to death he was against abortion as a catholic and he's going to be against state sponsored execution murder is murder state sponsored murder which just like abortion people that follow god does not want murder connection anyway my name's frank and i'm calling from southeast iowa bye i agree i.
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Chris Cuomo
Don'T know about charlie i never spoke to him about that but there has always been a fundamental hypocrisy at play for conservatives they're in favor of the death penalty but not reproductive rights why well because one is innocent and one is not oh and that's for you to decide i thought only god decided i think it's a bad social instruction i don't think it works to reduce crime i think it's just an instrument of vengeance which is why trump loves it you know it's just harshness as strength that's what it is it's an instruction in brutality now i also believe that's exactly who we are by the way the whole christian patina thing doesn't work for me i know you have let's say fifty percent of the country says that they're christian or whatever it is sixty percent whatever it is yeah but only like five percent i don't know what the number is but it's like only a small slice actually actually live that way they're the there's so many mean people with a crucifix after their name who say and traffic and and act in a way that doesn't pass any wwjd litmus test ever and they know it oh but as long as i say i'm sorry on sunday it's all forgiven i don't believe in.
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Gregory Ott
That.
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Chris Cuomo
And i don't know what charlie would want and i just think the whole situation sucks i think the message of his widow was really powerful about forgiveness especially because it's forgotten in our society no one forgives there is no love of mercy you say you want an apology but you only want it to rub somebody's face and play it to advantage you don't forgive shit and you want forgiveness and i think we're in a really bad place and i don't know what charlie would have wanted but i do know that there is a consistency to your opinion and conservatives have been way too slow in making the accommodation and the connection that you are.
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Caller
I would like you to address the fact that over the last thirty six hours i have received six fundraising requests from turning point usa expressing their grief over charlie's assassination which we can all agree is horrible but yet they're trying to fundraise off of it i find that incredibly repulsive love to hear you address that thank you makes complete.
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Chris Cuomo
Sense to me this is the time to raise money this is the time to get new chapters this is the time to use that i mean this is an advocacy group this is about doing whatever you can and using whatever you can to spread the message what should be distasteful should begin and end with the murder what'd you think they were going to do this is what organizations do and i guess you could see it as opportunistic but they are looking for the opportunity what better way in his widow's mind to honor her husband than the legacy of what he cared about most in his life which was turning point usa i'm not surprised by it at all what surprises me is the reaction to that not turning point raising money i get it i get why that doesn't feel good i get you on that but i gave you another perspective on that but how people are bothered by erica kirk and what she said and how she said it and her style and how all this lionizing of charlie and enshrining him and his beliefs i mean you know it's wrong that he was murdered but at the same time that's what pisses me off if you want to talk about his ideas now i don't accept this paradigm when it's a school shooting when it's a school shooting it's a time to talk about why we have school shootings okay when he is murdered it is time to talk about why people like this get murdered but part of that conversation to me there is no way to explain or mitigate the murder because you didn't like his ideas okay the bar for that to me has to be so high like to use something that people abuse all the time in our society if it were hitler in the middle of world war two and you killed him during a speech i'd be fine with it why because of what he was doing not merely what he was saying okay if you could show me charlie kirk doing horrible things that were proof of racism and this and that doing things like horrible things you know i don't want to describe them but like horrible things well now you're dealing with a different person a different kind of animal who you may explain and rationalize dealing with differently but this was speech and ideas so the idea that you don't like his ideas which is fine but it has no place in the explanation or understanding of his murder yeah but his ideas were really bad and i did okay fine i disagreed with a lot of what charlie kirk advocated it has no place in the understanding of the equities involved in his murder that's what.
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Gregory Ott
Bothers me these calls go together.
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Chris Cuomo
Hey.
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Caller
Chris it's dave embrook ontario canada i thought you were going down the right road when you got booted there from cnn but you're just like the rest of them all of you people should be nervous and that's sad hope you have a great day hey chris it's dave from canada again i just wanted i forgot to say stay safe i know things are frigging weird now but they're weird up here too but stay safe and do the right thing first.
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Chris Cuomo
Of all dave i kind of appreciate it but i also kind of think that you were threatening me not in this i'm scared i don't you know come on bring it to me let it come but what i'm saying is do you want me to be hurt or do you not want me to.
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Gregory Ott
Be i couldn't tell what he was getting at like it was like hey i'm glad he got fired but they.
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Chris Cuomo
Are just like the rest and you should be scared so you think because of what i'm doing i should see violence coming my way i agree with you i do see the risk i do see the threat and more than i have in the past i would say that as well and being fired from cnn was horrible for me and still is i do not see cnn the way you do i don't see it the way it's being characterized now do i think it's different than when i was there yeah yeah somewhat but i miss it i miss the reach i miss the platform it's a phenomenal organization i am different than i was at cnn but not because i was left and now i'm not left or i was right and now i'm center or whatever whatever it is i'm telling you anyone who me knows that i have always been anti party i just talk about it a lot more now so what has changed is a couple things one me right personally it was a complete dissolution of a lot of my person my personality why because i was much more dependent on what i did for a living as an identity than i was aware i used to say all the time you know i'm not what i do i got a lot of other things in my life no i kind of am what i do i kind of am and the reason for that is that it's so intensive and constant in terms of the reading and understanding and listening and processing that it kind of filters into everything that i do for better and worse and i'll tell you covering breaking news and being on location is almost like a vacation for me even though it's usually a horror show it is there is a there is an organic and a newness and a freshness to it that allows me to just be in the moment and do what i know how to do versus the agonizing alchemy of trying to figure out what to talk about and how and how do i make this understandable and relatable in a way that doesn't feed division and won't be twisted and perverted and this and that it's agonizing it's horrible and so then when i lost that it was ruinous and so i am different i am different but it didn't change my politics it changed my perspective on what i should be doing with my platform and that's what changed so i don't criticize trump as constantly as i did because one i'm tired of it and two he's been weighed and measured and he's not running again three it doesn't move the needle much so why would i do it because it pleases one side for one moment and then the moment i don't do it and do anything else now they hate me and see me as an enemy or maga it's very frustrating for me to see what's happening in the media scape around me and who's doing well by not doing good bullshit men on the street to drive division playing bad clips of trump and making faces behind him you know trips the algorithm plays to provocation and gets you followers gets you paid good for you you sell out bitch my point is i don't think that that's what this job is supposed to be about look there's room for all okay it's just that what's being rewarded on social media is tripping the algorithms and what trips the algorithms is outrage and that's a concern to me and i don't want to be a part of it and then i got to think well then how am i successful in this business if i'm not doing what makes you a success if i don't want to be the antidote to megyn kelly the answer to megyn kelly then how do you succeed in this business and that is an open question with an evolving understanding so i am not just like all the rest of the and you need to learn that you can disagree with someone without hating them and wishing them violence.
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Caller
Chris i'm a retired federal prosecutor thirty years combated gun violence well tried to obviously it's a losing battle i'm independent purple like you and i always respected you and enjoy listening to your podcast now that i'm retired however you went on and on about charlie kirk being gunned down at thirty one years old okay what about the school children none of them who are shot in this country every other frickin day it seems they don't get to attain the age of thirty one years old not at all it is just i i don't condone any gun violence i'm not saying that he deserves the right to be murdered but i'm saying please you talk to your fellow podcasters all the rich people you know quit talking about him being gunned down at thirty one years old when our school children are being gunned down on a regular basis i hope i hear about my comment on a podcast or i might just quit listening thank you.
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Chris Cuomo
Well good i guess you're not going to have to quit listening look here is the problem in your argument it's to the two wrongs make a right scenario talk about both talk about both it seems to me like you're saying well it's not so bad that charlie kirk got killed at thirty one because all these other kids die younger well they both matter what you're really doing i think is conflating him with being on the wrong side of the kids getting killed issue in your opinion so you don't want to hear just about him when you disagreed with him on something else that matters to you a lot i don't think that's a healthy perspective to have murder is wrong always now you and i both know why that's true some people could say well hold on not always what if you're defending your life then it's not murder you and i know this but especially you as a real prosecutor which i am not killing isn't always wrong in the eyes of the law murder is always wrong in the eyes of the law so charlie kirk dying at thirty one is a fucking tragedy he has these young kids his life is just getting you know going i mean third i don't even remember being thirty one so that's why i said it and i mean it and i still mean it and believe it that does not in any way change what i think about kids getting shot in school shootings and whether or not we should discuss that i don't think that they're mutually exclusive next sorry trying to.
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Gregory Ott
Figure out which coffee was mine and.
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Chris Cuomo
Which one was amberish's well i know what you know what neither is mine.
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Gregory Ott
You drank yours you you you haven't.
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Chris Cuomo
Eaten today coffee is not enough but.
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Gregory Ott
You'Re not eating food these days you're like skipping food and just drinking many coffees also i bought you the coffee i brought you the coffee i guess next time you're welcome but next time i have to bring like two or three because you go through these like.
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Chris Cuomo
A camel camels drink coffee no they.
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Gregory Ott
Drink a lot of fluid oh i.
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Chris Cuomo
Saw a guy cooking a camel hump the other day it looked disgusting i've.
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Gregory Ott
Had camel there's an exotic meat place near my house my buddy's birthday he got camel kangaroo alligator and it was.
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Chris Cuomo
All pretty gamey how was the camel.
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Gregory Ott
Gamey but i don't know if it was the hump or the face or whatever it was just some camel piece.
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Chris Cuomo
Jerky or do you cook it no.
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Gregory Ott
It was like like the meat like the like a breast of camel or.
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Chris Cuomo
Whatever i know but how'd you eat.
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Gregory Ott
It just like pieces like i'll like on the grill chopped up and you know knife and fork so he grilled it yeah on his roof yeah and.
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Chris Cuomo
I don't care where he grilled it.
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Gregory Ott
But i'm setting the stage it's like yeah fun barbecue on the rooftop but we're not eating burgers and hot dogs we're eating you know the zoo and.
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Chris Cuomo
When you say it was gamey did it taste like venison yeah and like.
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Gregory Ott
The you know gamier meats that i don't particularly enjoy i i you know i'm a little i'm like a turkey boy you know what i mean like.
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Chris Cuomo
A like thanksgiving you are a turkey.
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Gregory Ott
I'M just saying like i'm not i'm i'm not one to to go to venture off of the you know the beef and turkey pat have you ever had wild turkey yeah like at the.
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Chris Cuomo
Bar that can be a little gamey.
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Gregory Ott
Also yeah pretty fun night he's professional.
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Chris Cuomo
Grade funny you know that right he worked at second are you saying that.
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Gregory Ott
Because i made a bad joke i feel like sometimes when i say something and it like doesn't land you try to tell people that i i no.
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Chris Cuomo
It always lands sometimes people say to me i thought your producer was funny you don't laugh at his jokes as much but that's the shtick that's the bit that's the bit of course he's fucking funny that's why i have him in this he is really funny so i don't laugh to disrespect him no.
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Gregory Ott
Really yeah when i chop this up and put it in my reel i'll make sure we have this whole bit there where i have to explain to people i'm funny while i'm not making.
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Chris Cuomo
Anybody laugh you think i'm bad you should see amrish right now as he's looking on he's over there doing his taxes you've never seen anybody less engaged in a conversation that they're listening to more than he is so i'm a gift to you as far as i'm concerned well thank you max thank you support comes from the wild alaskan company when was the last time you truly trusted seafood that you brought home i know for me it's the last time i caught it but for most of you you have to find a trusted source for your supply wild alaskan company is worth a look they are the best way to get wild caught perf portioned nutrient dense seafood delivered directly to your door trust me this is the real deal okay they sent us some of the salmon it was eaten it was enjoyed okay it came it was packaged the right way it was safe it was ready to go it was delicious okay now why does this matter because if you care about what you put in your body you want the right stuff and that's what you're going to get one hundred percent wild caught never farmed okay what does that mean no antibiotics gmo's or additives just clean real fish that support healthy oceans and fishing communities try it risk free one hundred percent money back guarantee if you don't like what's in your first box send it back no questions asked no risk just high quality seafood all right not all fish are the same and not all fishing is the same get seafood that you can trust that's done the right way go to wildalaskin dot com forward slash cuomo and you will get thirty five bucks off your first box of premium wild caught seafood.
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Gregory Ott
Okay now we have some youtube comments for you because we do get a lot you've addressed it before about like the change the audience is perceiving in you on this video about jimmy kimmel for instance fernando badillo seven hundred and thirty six says what happened to chris with a shocked face and sebgan a subscriber on a recent video about your path to beating trump sebgan wrote have you noticed how cuomo is one guy here and a much more conservative guy over at news nation do you want to.
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Chris Cuomo
Talk about that sure that is your perception not the reality and here i'm telling you i know that i'm right about this i know i'm not there's no open question as to whether or not i'm right about me because you don't know me i know me you know what you want me to be and you guys are becoming increasingly extreme in your intolerance if you don't hear what you want from me all the time every time you don't hear what you want to hear you now completely change your opinion of me and it is weird it is weird okay that when somebody it's like just think about this if you're like watching stephen a smith and he's like i think the cowboys gonna win tonight oh i love that stephen a smith i'm a huge cowboys fan i think the giants actually have a chance against the cowboys tonight i hate this guy he's the worst i mean save that for sports not stuff that matters and the idea that well i didn't say what you wanted me to say with jimmy kimmel what'd you want me to say this is a violation of the first amendment this is so fucked up that trump is blackmailing everybody and his fcc commissioner made this happen and these companies are caving i can't prove any of that.
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Gregory Ott
I.
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Chris Cuomo
Can'T prove i can't show it's a first amendment violation where's the state action oh the fcc chairman said it to fucking benny johnson on a podcast the head of disney the head of the station group say they never spoke to him yeah but they heard him say that have you ever watched a trial in your life oh it's not about a legal standard it's just come on you know don't make it that difficult no it has to be hard it has to be hard because you don't want to do the work you want it to be easy you want it to be what you want it to be and that is getting us deeper into a hole of bullshit that i don't know how we get out of it okay and look this bothers me why i try so hard i try so much harder than other people i see in the landscape who have so much more success on social media well first of all it's not really my focus i do a tv show every night i do this because i enjoy it and i think it helps but it is very frustrating to me to see what is desired because it's killing us it's driving the division you are rewarding people for us by telling you things that help you be angry i mean it's very frustrating it really is i don't like what happened with jimmy kimmel i said it even though i work at a place that is owned by a place that kicked him off and then put him back on i mean who else does that did you hear a lot of people at abc saying they didn't think jimmy kimmel should be taken off tv huh do you hear david muir do you hear george stephanopoulos do you hear michael strahan did you hear any of them robin roberts you hear them talking about it me either so you know i mean just be fair for you know for a change be fair for a change you know and by the way look i think what jimmy said would have gotten me in a lot of trouble that these maga people are just doing everything they can to make this seem like this isn't one of their guys.
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Caller
And.
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Chris Cuomo
By the way that is almost exactly what he said he didn't say this was a maga guy but that is the way it played and i get why people took it that way and i would have had my ass in a sling and i would have been very embarrassed by it because it's the wrong thing to say at the wrong time but i do not believe in censorship i don't and it is a tricky line it is a tricky line.
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Gregory Ott
Along those lines this is actually a comment from the video you put out right after charlie kirk was murdered miriam slater three thousand and eighty two writes sweet man did you see the clip where a twelve year old black boy asked charlie kirk at a convention why did you say the civil rights act should be overturned charlie kirk replied i didn't say that i said it was a mistake yeah real nice i see he was good with children too wow.
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Chris Cuomo
That'S very christian of you talking about a guy like that who was shot in front of his fucking kids you are very fortunate that you're not making that comment right in front of me when there's no cameras around why because i think that there's got to be a line of decency that we start restoring maybe in the way you want it restored which is through force and violence which seems to be what you guys are embracing more and more every day here's the good news i like that kind of party i'm the kind of guy in this society that has to hold it all in check because i respect the rules and the mores but i would love to slap this out of people who say things that i find personally offensive i would love to go back to that i don't think it's us at our best but it certainly would be me at my most formidable i'll tell you that if i could go grab tim pool by the neck and beat the pinatas out of him i sure i i i would have no problem i promise you that is that us at our best no i think it's us at our worst so here's the truth about the charlie kirk situation and adam mockler was more right than i am when it comes to charlie kirk's known history on the sixty four civil rights act so why did i say he didn't really mean that the whole law was bad and that he didn't want blacks to have rights because that's what he told me in person and no i didn't include that in the adam thing for two reasons one it didn't occur to me in the flow of conversation and two subconsciously i don't want to talk about what charlie and i talked about i'm not an intimate of his i wasn't a good friend of his i'd only met him that one time we just spent a lot of time together in that one time we were together and then we texted after that several times the the so i said to him what the fuck charlie i mean the sixty four civil rights act was one of the most formative aspects of equality in this country and he was like well i'm not saying that blacks shouldn't have had the right to vote minorities shouldn't have the right to vote of course they should and there has to be protections under law and due process i just think that it built in he said this culture and system of dei that was weaponized and it made the act a mistake i wanted those same things i just would have wanted them achieved a different way that's what he said to me in person and i agree he was very clumsy with it he would say i know this is really radical which i guess was his way of coding that this is kind of stupid but it feels.
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Gregory Ott
Good.
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Chris Cuomo
I'M not trying to defend him being a racist i don't think he was i mean look here's my bar for being a racist if i ask you if you're a racist you'll say yes now you can say well there are a lot of people who are racist who are afraid to say it not in my experience if there's no camera around i hear people say it all the time in different ways not always just racist but prejudiced one hundred i hear it all the time i can't tell you how many people think that gays they'll lump them in with trans i feel bad for gays by the way this trans thing has been it's been especially hard for them because you know they are part of a discriminated community you know i mean we've made some good progress as a non gay culture and how we regard and respect and equalize gay members of society we've made progress i don't think we're where we need to be but they're now lumped in with trans and they have nothing to do with being trans except they're another targeted minority but i hear people say all the time about gays about trans and you know it's part of who we are it's it's it's part of the journey of trying to make ourselves better it's why instructions and and you know traditions or religions that inculcate monotheism and values and morality exist because we need coaxing to get to a better place so i think that on this one we have a lot of ugly around us and i don't know what the answers are i really believe the ugly is winning and there's an aspect of doctor king's quote by the way that's the most fucked up thing i ever heard charlie say by the way is that doctor king was a bad guy with a bad you know i i don't know why he well looks look without having spoken to him about it although it was kind of the linking thought of what led us into this conversation about the sixty four act there's such a temptation for these digital guys to be provocative and say outrageous shit that it's hard for them to stop themselves sometimes and i just i i don't know what the answer is i don't know how we get out of this i i think that you know the reason i don't say this is because i'm i'm really like allergic to cynicism but i have to tell you just being reasonable i think i'd be lying to you if i told you ah look this will pass it's just a cycle things are going to get better i don't know that i don't know that.
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Gregory Ott
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Gregory Ott
I have a few more youtube comments and we'll wrap this up from this adam mochler episode smokey cat twenty eleven says newsom can't win the middle of the country all you need to do is remind people of high gas prices in california why are we going to have a primary anyway newsom has already announced here's the sad thing they have andy beshear right in front of them but he doesn't have a chance.
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Chris Cuomo
Listen nostradamus the reason that they're going to have a primary is because within this binary system that's the closest thing to a representative democracy we get is that at least there's some vetting i mean these parties are killing us you're not wrong to be skeptical on that level in terms of like how they'll handle it andy beshear is formidable i think there's a bunch of people who could rise you don't know right he's.
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Gregory Ott
The governor of kentucky yeah.
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Chris Cuomo
You don't know look at that guy cox out in utah i mean if we were closer right now to the primary season that guy would be like top five on the republican side i bet don't say who can't win where you don't know what the election's about we don't know that it's going to be look the last election gas prices loomed so large right now they're trending down in the country but for all the wrong reasons because a lack of demand right because the economy is slowing so is that what you wanted lower gas prices because we're making less money no so we don't know we don't know what the election's gonna turn on and until we know that the right kinds of messengers who can capitalize on that are equally unknown what bothers me about newsom is what is raising his fortunes which is him acting like a schoolboy jackass mocking trump i can't believe that this is what the left wants they're so desperate for muscularity they're so desperate for fighting back that they'll take anything i guess because this ain't newsom at his best that's for sure i've seen him be a lot more impressive than he is with what's making him more successful and that's the problem in our politics.
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Gregory Ott
From the same episode redwave twelve twenty one says why do you always ask yourself questions then answer it it's a.
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Chris Cuomo
Rhetorical device why do i do that here's why i feel that it tees up a question and gives you an answer so that you can have it in tighter context and yes i know i just did it yes yes i.
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Gregory Ott
Know that's why i left you weren't paying attention i was giving the next comment ready but i laughed when you said it it as if i'm not paying attention you're on your phone the whole time man i know you're texting.
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Chris Cuomo
Away over there we all know writing the show tonight yeah me too man.
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Gregory Ott
Yeah right from the doctor drew interview leon two hundred eighty seven asks so where are the epstein files exactly now.
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Chris Cuomo
Here'S the one thing that's not fair about me saying release the files release the files the shit that you want judges sealed and not because they're corrupt but because they made evidentiary findings that there wasn't enough information that was probative of the allegation to warrant the prejudice that would come with the names being disclosed does that make sense i'll explain again two separate judges made determinations that i disagree with by the way for what it's worth and i do believe that sometimes this is righteous that we're going to redact your name we do it with children all the time even though who the fuck knows who the kid is right but we we hide their faces we hide their names why perceive prejudice an invasion of their privacy protecting them okay i believe in that idea i think individuals who knew epstein and hung out with him but didn't know he was a scumbag and are not pedophiles why would you want to ruin them the way that they will absolutely be dragged through it if their name comes out especially if they're like a famous person or a person of wealth you know that's gonna happen and so i don't think trump is wrong to want to protect people like that it's just that it's a bad look right now because of where we are people hate the elites you're in gotcha mode all the time you're outraged all the time you want to see everybody go down you have been told that there were all these bad people that were doing what epstein was doing by people in major positions of power within this administration because trump you know indiscreet in his choices and made bad choices of people who sold conspiracies that now you want paid off and they same people won't give them to you why because now they're held to account if you needed an argument for why we need our institutions look at how they've changed their behavior they changed their behavior cuz now they'll be held to account so they don't tell you that epstein was murdered no there's no evidence there's no evidence there's no evidence of that they don't tell you there's a client list no there's no list i've looked senator there is no there's nothing left there's not there's nothing there there's nothing there is that cash patel yeah there's nothing there that leads us to that understanding why because now he's being held to account that's why you need institutions so i'd love to say release it but the reason i'm saying it is an empty ask is because i know they're not fighting in court to get it re released or undone by the judges who sealed it but they made a legal finding two separate judges that there's not enough evidence that this person was connected to epstein to justify the prejudice will come with associating them with epstein for instance a lot of you motherfuckers love to bring up the fact that my wife's name was seen in some contact list that epstein had so what is she now a human trafficker my wife met this fucking guy because women who were friends with him knew my wife and she was with them once and made her way into his contact list she didn't give it to him she wasn't friends with him she didn't know him she didn't go to his parties but i got to hear it from you fucking people that she's on the contact list and then you tell me that i was on his airplane i don't even know who the fucking guy is i never met him in my life but i got to listen to this dozens and dozens yeah i saw it on reddit yeah i think joe rogan said it that's the kind of stupid shit that i have to contend with so i understand why the president of the united states and two judges made a determination that if you don't have any proof that somebody's connected to the shit you shouldn't dump shit on them i get it it's frustrating i think they should release everything they can release and i think that they should fight in court to see what the basis was or non basis was for those determinations i think that's fair and i think more should come out because the more that comes out the more you will see you were fucking lied to about it and i think that's a good lesson this is.
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Gregory Ott
A youtube comment from the charlie kirk video you put out from norwood builder seven thousand five hundred twenty nine dash dash dot dash dash dot dash dash dash dot dot dot dot dot dot do oh shut up it's in morse code i think and i translated it using chatgpt and it says may the peace of god be with all of you pray for our country love one another i'm curious as to why you think somebody would take a relatively positive message like that and make somebody translate.
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Chris Cuomo
It figure it out oh you translated.
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Gregory Ott
That yeah i fed i said i.
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Chris Cuomo
Think this is more translated the morse.
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Gregory Ott
Code what chatgpt instant five did and it translated to may the peace of god be with all of you pray for our country i'm saying it's a it's a positive message i'll tell you.
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Chris Cuomo
Why they did it that way because they grabbed your curiosity you want to know what it was they played on our suspicion that it's probably something really dark and nefarious it was flagged for.
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Gregory Ott
Inappropriate and i was like well that's interesting what i wonder what it is.
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Chris Cuomo
And and it wound up sticking with us in a way it might not have otherwise well play all right thank you for the comments appreciate you greg i love you you're very funny oh.
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Gregory Ott
Thank you chris i love you too.
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Chris Cuomo
I appreciate you all as well that's why i do this that's why we do this okay it isn't easy it isn't cheap but i do it because i think it can help i'm serious i'm telling you i know i could do this show a different way and make so much more money and have so many views i could tell you things about the people in power i could do all kinds of things to just make you crazy with rage i don't think it gets us to a better place and i think that we are accelerating towards a bad place quickly enough so let's try to stay together let's try to be obsessed with better not worse all right and on that i say hey let's get after it thank you for subscribing and following i'll see you on news nation eight p and eleven p eastern every weekday night if you want to say you to the parties and be an independent wear your independence get the free agent gear the link is coming i'll see you soon limu game and doug limu and i always tell you to customize your car insurance and save hundreds with liberty mutual but now we want you to feel it cue the emu music limu save yourself money today increase your wealth customize and save we save that may have been too much feeling only pay.
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