A (14:46)

Of who.

B (14:47)

It's Trump. It's Trump. It's Trump. Let's get Trump. Trump will average new got to take. Take Trump down. Take Trump down. It's bigger than Trump. I don't get why Trump protected these people. I don't. I don't get it. I don't get it. But it's not a simple morality play for me. It's not a gotcha fest. It's not just taking down the rich and powerful, the bold faced names. I'm not driven by those kinds of things. What I'm driven by is these are people who are given privilege and power in our society. Given. Given. It is not by right. Okay? And we have to know who in our circle of influence was okay with spending time with a guy they had to know was a scumbag. Support comes from Cheers. Now. I love this. They just sent us their product and we just gave it to our oldest because likes to party. And here's the thing. Everybody likes to get their drink on, right? What about the next day? Early meetings, workouts, Having the show up can't be hang dog. You're not in college anymore. After the age of 30, even drinking alcohol responsibly makes you feel like doo doo the next day. Obviously, alcohol is no joke, all right? It's a very serious drug. It's one of the things on our society we take not seriously enough. Okay? That's why I am digging Cheers Restore. Okay? Here's why you need an alcohol aid. There are more negative effects from alcohol than just dehydration, all right? And it's tough on your brain, it's tough on your liver. Cheers Restore is a dual action after alcohol aid. Cheers Promise is simple. You're going to feel about 50% better the next day or you get your money back. So basically, two drinks feels like one the next morning. All you do is you take three capsules after your last drink before bed. And again, this is about doing things reasonably, all right? It's not gonna like, change your outcome if you binge drink, okay? If you have 12 shots of tequila, you know you're gonna get what you deserve, which is feeling like doo doo. But if you're a normal adult and you're drinking responsibly, two, three, four drinks, you will feel significantly better. If you take Cheers same night out, way better. Morning with Cheers for a limited time, my listeners get 20% off their entire order. Just use the code cuomo@cheershealth.com. just head to cheershealth.com, use the code Cuomo, you'll get 20% off. Now they're going to give you a post purchase survey, all right? Please show me some love. Tell them Cuomo sent you right now, at Carl's Jr.

A (17:49)

When you buy one famous star single, you get a second for just one buck. One buck. That's it for all that famous Charboral burger flavor. Let's compare that and list the other things that are just one buck.

B (18:04)

There it is.

A (18:06)

Buy one Famous Star single, get the second for just a buck. Only at Carl's Jr available for a limited time at participating restaurants. Tax not included. Not valid with any other offer, discount or combo.

B (18:20)

So here's what I figured out for us. There are two buckets of names that are going to come out because the law demands it and we are demanding it. Two buckets. First one, the gross emails that we're seeing that are highly suggestive of sex talk and not let's fuck like perverse things. Young females. Okay, why were those redacted? There's only one good reason, and it's only a half credit. If you are protecting people who are male and you're doing it for reasons of reputation, you were in violation of federal law. If, however, the writer or participant in the email is female or male and was victimized, now we're dealing with something different. Well, what? Wait, why is it different automatically? Well, one the law allows you to redact if it's stuff that could be exposing a victim or survivor. Okay, but look at what they were saying. Well, what if they were saying it because they were groomed? It's an extension of their trauma. It's what he had them doing because he had leverage over them. It was how they were able to survive within that dynamic. Now, you can roll your eyes, but these are all possibilities and they certainly would justify the redaction. So in that case. That's interesting to me too, by the way. Why? Well, what does that tell you? If there were women who were victimized to the point where they were engaging in solicitation or mitigation of playing and assaulting young women? That's not natural for females. I would argue it's not natural for males either. But who's guilty of this on a regular basis? Much more often males than females. So don't protect the guys. If you protected the guys, you better justify it, because that's not within the law. If it's females, there is a big caveat there, and that's something to Think about when you're looking at these emails to the extent that you're looking at ones that are real, because there's so much fakery out there. The truth is enough. Okay, then there's the second bucket. Who knew? Who are the guys who were part of it? Who knew what Jeffrey was doing? Who dismissed it? Does Peter Attia fall in that category? Does Deepak Chopra? I don't know. I don't want bad things for these people. I'm not a gotcha person. I see absolutely no percentage for myself. And taking a name down so that I get some clicks. I don't give a shit. This is about the truth. And it is about exposing systemic forgiveness that is undeserved. So you knew, reputationally, this is relevant. You should have to explain why you thought it was okay to be that way with this kind of scumbag. Okay, then you have the next layer of, oh, you didn't just know you were okay with it and you were part of it, or you knew who was part of it and you said nothing. To protect your ass, to protect your so called friends, to protect your position. We should have the names. Well, but the DOJ putting out those names and not prosecuting. That's why it should have never been the doj. And I said it at the time. Trump should have never given this to Bondi. Look, we know why he did, right? She's a puppet. Cash Patel was supposed to be a puppet. Oh, hey, Cash Patel and Bongino, I gotta tell you, the pod bros, Benny Johnson, all these guys, they can't run away from this story fast enough. Can't run away. Let's talk about Bad Bunny. Let's talk about the ratings. Let's talk about that. No thanks. No thanks. All that matters, of course it matters. Okay. And you should get the numbers right. And we should talk about who we are and who we're not and what's America and what's Americant and what the real problem is with ice. We should talk about all that. Why? The majority of people have a problem with how they are prosecuting in this country. But you're not distracting us from this. No way. Why? Because Bongino and Patel were trying to sell you that this guy was murdered and that they knew there was a client list. They then get into positions of power that I would argue one of them for sure, maybe both, did not deserve and they say everything that they thought was now untrue. Now here's the problem with that. That would be enough for me. Like, whoa, what a Freaking hypocrite it. I'll never believe that guy again. But it doesn't end there. They had to know what's coming out now. They had to know these names that were protected with not good reason, certainly not within the color of the law. They had to know that there were discrepancies and little curiosities on the same things they used to talk about. Mr. Patel with the client list. Oh, there's six names that just came out. That's kind of smelling like a client list. Why didn't you tell us about it? Why'd you say there was nothing like this? The timing of when they were drafting the notice, of when he died versus not. And who had control over the hard drive of the camera of the thing and who came in and didn't. And the suspicion. If Bongino was awake and marginally competent, why didn't he ever talk about any of this? Why is he so angry and back on his podcast making rumble money, not talking about this, not owning this, not explaining this. I mean, hey, Maga, let me know what I'm missing, okay? Cuz you guys were riding this horse of rectitude, right? There's gonna be a reckoning. Trump is our retribution. We're going after. We're gonna unveil the rah, rah, rah, rah. Not only did they lie to you, but then they got stuff that does start to open the windows of the reality that you wanted to know about, and they hide it from you again. Wow. Does that tell us how powerful the people are that are involved here? That they shut Bongino up? That they shut Kash Patel up? That they may have made them make misstatements, if not lies before Congress? What does that mean? Is it misfeasance? Are they stupid? Or are they that worried about who's involved that they would just ignore that there's all this information that's obvious to the rest of us, and they didn't even mention it? Support comes from Ethos. Listen, if you want to be an adult, you gotta start adulting. And that means taking care of your responsibilities. And that means, especially once you're in the family game, you got to have life insurance. And I know you roll your eyes. Oh, it's expensive. It's tricky. It doesn't have to be either of those things, especially if you're young and healthy. Let me tell you something about Ethos, okay? This is why I like having them advertise on the show. Ethos makes getting life insurance fast and easy, and 100% online, you can get a quote in seconds. You can apply in minutes, and you can get coverage the same day. If you are, like 35 or younger and you don't smoke and you're healthy, you can get up to $2 million in health insurance for, like, two bucks a day. There's no medical exam if you're in that category. You just answer a few simple health questions, and you literally forget what I said. You can get up to 3 million in coverage, and some policies are as low as 30 bucks a month. All right, as of March 2025, Business Insider named Ethos the number one no medical exam, instant life insurance provider. Ethos has 4.8 out of 5 stars on Trustpilot. Over 3,000 reviews. Protect your family. Use life insurance. Get it from Ethos now by going to ethos.com cuomo okay. E t h o s.com cuomo do that, and in as little as 10 minutes, you can get your free quote. You can get up to $3 million in coverage at ethos.com cuomo e t-h o s.com Cuomo rates may vary. Epstein is everything. Release the names, release the files. It all has to come out because. Here's why. Your name's on the list. Okay. Is it better that no one knows if you did nothing wrong? Yes. Yes, it is. Okay, so you're gonna fall into one of several categories. One is, well, you're in there. You're in, like, six emails with this guy. Yeah, I was shopping a deal. Slash. Yeah, I did a deal with him. Why? Because he had ridiculous access to capital and contacts. Yeah, but what about all this other stuff? I didn't personalize with him. I didn't have anything to do with him. There are a lot of scumbags in this business. Money's money. Okay, next. Next is, why were you socializing with this guy? If you want to be the head of this big fund, if you want to be the head of this agency, if you want to be this person of reputation and perceived social cachet, why did you think it was okay to party with this guy? Now, maybe they tell you this story that I told you that is so familiar in that circle. Maybe you believe it, maybe you don't. Well, what right do we have to make this person have. Well, hold on. What right do they have to. Their position and their station. It's gifted to them. It's a privilege. Now, why is it okay? Because we're not talking about booger sugar. Cheating on your husband, cheating on your wife, paying for sex Any of these things that you could see as morally unacceptable. Not morally, ethically, Whatever, whatever. Any way you want to look at it. This is about violence toward systemic exploitation of young women. Women of age of consent and women not of age of consent. Anyone that you check and is wrong. And it's wrong in a way that is one of the vestiges, one of the last available points of universal agreement, or I thought was universal agreement. Cuz it seems like we got some people who don't think messing around with young stuff is that bad. That's what it seems like from the files. And a lot of them haven't been released. And a lot of what has been released has been arguably wrongfully redacted. That's why you have to explain yourself. I'm not asking you about your marriage. I'm not asking you about your personal life. I'm not. It's not about that. This is wrong. Wherever it happens, whenever it happens, with whomever it happens, we all agree. So that's why you gotta let me know. And the DOJ shouldn't have done this. There should have been an outside something or somebody or some commission or something that. Because it's not just about the law. That's too narrow now, legally. Is there a look back statute? Yeah. On the state level, not the federal level. Could they draft one? Yes. Well, what about ex post facto? What about res judicado? Those are very different things. Okay. Ex post facto is where you are making something illegal after someone did it and then punishing them for having done it. Okay. That's not what this is. It would be about the statute of limitations being changed. That's what a look back statute is. Can that be abused? Yes. Has it been abused? Probably, but it should be a possibility. They could also look at it under a 1983 action which is a deprivation of civil rights, which could have a different statute of limitations in terms of toll. There are possible different legal avenues here. They may need legislation. That's just the law though. This is not just about the law. This is about the court of public opinion. It is. Why? Because maybe you didn't commit a crime, but you run a huge corporation that matters to our society that should be headed by people who have some kind of basic decency. And that line is placed plenty low. That bar is placed plenty low if we make it. You don't excuse messing around and abusing women. Slash young women, slash underage women. I think that's a fairly safe bar to set. That shouldn't get anybody tripping over it. Who doesn't deserve it. That's why Epstein is everything. That's why it's not just a distraction. Even when I thought it was partially a distraction, even when I thought politicians were late to the game, which they are. On the left, there is no effing way they didn't go after this under Biden because they wanted to respect the DOJ prosecution of Ghislaine Maxwell. That's bull. You saw what the left is capable of with Trump and how they impeached him and how they used Lawfare and how they went after him. You may like it, you may not. You may think it's justified, you may not. However, they are capable of being plenty aggressive. They weren't here, okay? So don't tell me you've always cared about the survivors. You've always been on it. You are full of cocky, okay? But now you're here, and I'll take it versus you not being here. Okay? Massey on the right, who knows for how long. Ronna on the left, fear broker, opportunist. Well, I mean, he's in public office. What are you not supposed to seek opportunity? You're not supposed to exploit opportunity. Do you want to stay in power? You're being naive. If opportunism isn't supposed to play a role, of course it is. How? Why? All right, let's look at it. For him to go down this road and for them to bring out names of guys. Les Wexner, of course. Of course. He was Epstein's guy. It never made sense to people. Why did he put so much money and trust in this guy Epstein? What was Epstein's genius? Why did he give him the 70 million dollar building house or whatever? Never made sense. Okay, so of course he's some co conspirator under somebody's reckoning within the files. Who are the other ones? Now names start to come out. Russian names. Familiar names, unfamiliar names. It is not wrong for them to have to explain themselves. I'm not asking for a peek into their bedroom. I'm not. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. The same way with Diddy. I don't care about your baby oil and your freak offs and all your other stuff. It is about abuse and assault, okay? Male, female, paid for, not paid for. Age of consent, not age of consent. This is a universe of behavior that we have to reject. I don't care about adultery. That's not what this is. I don't care about drug use. I get that there are crimes. I get that there are standards. This is a lower bar than that, that we have to be able to get over. It cannot be that people of positions of power and privilege in our society are allowed to be okay and be part of this kind of behavior. You've got to be about something or you are about nothing. It can't just be first Amendment all the time, second Amendment, Constitution, federal law, litigation. It can't just be that. That's the only standard, what I used to call a felony or fine. It can't be that. That. Well, I mean, it's not a high crime or misdemeanor. So I mean, you know, should we really be dealing with this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should. Yeah, we should. It doesn't have to be felonies to not be fine. Epstein is everything. If you want to start deconstructing the power structure that keeps government catering to the few instead of to the many. The two party system working off money that comes from the same people, that comes from corporations that are run by the same people, that comes from choices of how our society works, that often those choices are influenced by these same people that make precedents, that make presidents that figure out gerrymandering, that figure out who's going to run for Congress and who gets the privilege and who gets the advantage and who gets the opportunity and who gets hired and what's driving the stock market and what that means in terms of what the government preferences and doesn't. These people are in that universe. And I wish there had never been a pizza gate, I wish there had never been a QAnon because you take a little bit of something that might be true and you blow it up for advantage and you become a Bongino or a Patel and now you got a cried wolf problem. And it's hard for us to get into Epstein because it's like, ugh, what else, what else are we going to learn? Well, I got bigger problems. They're all related to this. If you don't have these people on some kind of connection to the rest of us and what's okay and what isn't. Again, this isn't swingers, okay? It's not a freak off. This is victimizing, systemically planned, profited from of often young women, if not under the age of consent, arguably it's gotta matter. And those who don't want it to matter have to be looked at with curious eye. And no, I do not believe that the President should be our sole focus on it. And no, I do not believe that the President is the hero in this? Not even fucking close. And no, whether it's Benny Johnson or any of these other guys, no, Donald Trump is not why they got Epstein. Donald Trump did not initiate the investigation. He was not a primary source on the investigation. We don't even know if he really talked to this sheriff who was looking into Epstein back in the day. The sheriff says he did. Where's the proof, man? Everybody's lying their ass off these days. Show us the proof. I'm not saying you're lying. I'm saying show me you're not lying. He called. Look at the guy's own reckoning. If it even happened. This is what happened. Hey, I heard you're looking at Epstein good. Everybody's known he's doing bad things. And Ghislaine Maxwell is like his robot or whatever. Yeah, look at her. I hope you look. Of course they were looking at her. But that's not being an informant. That's not making something happen. Why would Benny Johnson or anybody even say that? Because they're pawns and puppets. That's why. Okay? Trump ain't the reason that Epstein is bad. Trump ain't the reason that Epstein got brought to justice. Okay? This is this. This is now. Did Trump know what Epstein was about? Very likely, yes. Very likely, yes. The same sheriff says that Trump said to him, hey, I was with him once, and there were teenagers around, and I got the hell out of there. Really? You didn't think to tell anybody about that, by the way? Hmm. Okay, good to know. Good to know. Well, but then he kicked him out of Mar A Lago. I'm telling you, I don't want Trump to be my sole focus. I know it is for the left. I know they think this is gonna bring him down. I don't even know how. I don't even know how. And then you start putting out all these fucking fake pictures. What does that do? When you produce the fakery, you're not moving the needle. It only works with the people who will judge him negatively, and then they find out it's fake. And guess what that does. It makes them less likely to believe anything. But you do it anyway. Why? That's why. Because you're about yourself and you're selfish. You're not about the signal. You're not about the truth. You're not. And I was being too dismissive of how much this means and how important it is to see who was writing the emails, who's redacted and why, who knew and who was involved or okay with what was being done. Who was Epstein doing this for? Was it just himself? Was it a corporate concern? Was it a country? Was it an organization? Who did he do that to? Who did he compromise? All of these things matter to all of these other power dynamics in our society. We have to know. Release the names. Release all the files. I don't know that the DOJ is right. I don't know that the Trump administration is right to do this. Just Bongino and Patel alone make any sense. You, this is how you became famous, or infamous, in my opinion. You get put into a position of power, you don't deliver on it, and then we finally get to start seeing things. And there were things you should have been talking to us about. It's like you were wrong, then you were wrong, and then you were still wrong. All in different ways that you could have corrected and you didn't. Even now, you're not explaining. Support comes from Noble. So you're going through the airport and you realize that you have a common problem. You got a bag, you got a coffee, you got a phone and you need to charge the phone and you don't have anywhere to put the coffee. The coffee touch starts to spill, you can't drink it because it's too hot. You got this bag on your shoulder, it's all lopsided and you're trying to figure out where am I going to charge his phone, how am I going to charge the phone? Hello, Noble. All in one carry on. Very, very nice. First off, they built a flip out cup holder right into the luggage lifesaver lines at the gate. You know you got to get somewhere and you, you don't want to hold the coffee. Perfect. Okay. They also have a built in charging port so you can keep your phone alive so you're not crawling under some outlet and all that other shady stuff. There's a front laptop pocket that makes TSA a breeze. There's no more mini panic attack every time. They're like, take out all of it. Now you're right there. You can adjust in a second. For me, this is a no brainer. I travel more than most and I have a lot to deal with. And this really checks every box. Noble gives me real travel, peace of mind, security, design, convenience, all in one. Every suitcase comes with a 100 day money back guarantee and free 3 day express shipping. Did we mention it has a lifetime warranty? It's the last suitcase you'll ever need to buy. Upgrade to luggage that looks better, lasts longer and travels smarter. Head to Noble Travel. That's n o b l travel.com for up to 46% off. 46%. Okay, that's real. After you purchase, they're gonna ask you, where did you hear about us? Please show me some love. Tell him Cuomo sent me. Epstein is everything. What's wrong with the Trump administration? Look at how Epstein's being handled. What's wrong with our society and our two tiered justice system? Look at who knew about Epstein. You want to help the survivors? Really? Really? Look at the Epstein files. That's the only chance they're ever going to get recourse or closure. Why don't they put out the names? I understand that final point. I understand that frustration. We're used to the survivors. They come out, they say names. Sometimes they're making up the name. Sometimes there's nothing to corroborate it. Sometimes they're full of. They're just looking for a payday. These people won't give names. Well, let's look at it. If they are aware of the level of power and privilege and the level of protection that these people have received, would you be that quick, as someone who's already been traumatized and victimized, to put yourself in a position of vulnerability vis a vis them again? Okay, think about that. What if you get sued by them? Who do you want to own it? You and your ability to fight that lawsuit? Well, what if they're saying if it's true, then they don't have to worry. Please wake up and smell the lawsuit, okay? Just because it's true doesn't mean you're going to win in court. And it's going to be expensive, especially against these kinds of people. Now, who would you rather have own it if you were they? The Department of Justice of the United States of America or them? All right, that's something. That's something. And I do believe that they are afraid of what these people can do to them. And I understand the pushback. No, no, no. You people have lawyers. And everybody will now know that you accuse these people. So they won't do anything to you.

A (45:32)

Really?

B (45:33)

Really. You know how many witnesses thought that when they went against the mob? You think these people are that different? How do we know? How do we know if they're capable of being okay with what Epstein was about or maybe even participating in it? How can you say what they're capable of or not? Do not be distracted by this like I was, or from this, like I was. Epstein is everything. Transparency is how we rebuild trust. And if you do it right in one place, it will extend itself to other places. We have to have transparency here. We haven't had it yet. It must be remedied and rectified and the names must be released, and we have to be responsible about it. You got to give people fair hearing. You got to see if there's any corroboration. You have to give them the benefit of the doubt until they give you reason to not give them the benefit of the doubt. Like who? Like the President of the United States. He's lied too much about too many things to get the benefit of the doubt. I don't even like what he did with the Nancy Guthrie case. America's grandma. For good reasons. We care about this story for the right reasons. Oh, we made great developments. I think we're going to have a solution or something. What? They don't even think the letters are real anymore. We just got one video of somebody. You can't believe anybody you cannot trust, but verify. You got to verify so that you can once again begin to trust. The Epstein files are the key to all of it. Forget the noise. It's all about the signal. It's about being fair and it's about transparency. I am here for it, and I will never let it go. I'm Chris Cuomo. Thank you for subscribing and following. Thank you for checking me out on News Nation. Thank you for being a critical thinker. Thank you for checking out the store and getting the merch so that we can make some contributions to people and places and purposes that we can all feel good about. I'll see you at SXM in the morning, seven to nine drive time, where I will talk to you about you. I will be on this podcast, as you know, twice a week and sometimes specials. Tuesdays and Thursdays, and every weekday night, 8 o' clock at midnight, I'm on News Nation. Why are you doing so much? I want to be helpful. And if you're not going to be good, be busy. Another reason I'm doing as much as I am is why I have the subscriptions. Now, I understand that you guys want access. I understand that as critical thinkers, you want to drill down and. Okay, my time is valuable, so is yours. So I have different tiers. Okay, I get it. You want to pay, I will play. Okay. And you can see what works for you, what doesn't. All different kinds of content. Now I've got more wellness content. I just started a partnership with Bolt Health. Turns out, as obnoxious as I am, I got low testosterone and I got other hormones. That are out of whack and it turns out that I'm aging even a little bit more quickly than I should in some ways. What can I do about it? Answer is always the same for me. Everything I can. So I'm working with them. I'm finally guilty of what I've been accused of for about 25 years. Yes, I am taking hormones. I've been accused of this for years. Hey Roy boy. Was never true. Now it is. I'm taking minimum dose, figuring out what peptides work, figuring out what the right supplementation program is. All of it is going to be available on my YouTube and my social media for subscribers. Why? Because it's kind of personal. It's kind of private. I'd rather have more of a limited audience for it. And it's a lot of personal investment and I do want people to benefit from it, but I don't want people to misunderstand it or abuse the access either. You know what I'm saying? So it's all there. Check out the subscriptions, pick what works for you and let's get after it. Carvana is so easy. Just a click and we've got ourselves a car.

C (50:04)

See so many cars. That's a clicktastic inventory.

B (50:08)

And check out the financing options payments to fit our budget. I mean that's Clickonomics101. Delivery to our door.

C (50:15)

Just a hop, skip and a click away and bought. No better feeling than when everything just clicks. Buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply.