Grant Cardone Explains Why the American Dream Is No Longer For Everyone

Summary

The Chris Cuomo Project: Grant Cardone Explains Why the American Dream Is No Longer For Everyone

Release Date: March 27, 2025

Hosts:

• Chris Cuomo: Award-winning veteran broadcast journalist.
• Grant Cardone: Renowned entrepreneur, real estate mogul, and social media influencer.

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1. Introduction to Grant Cardone's Vision

Chris Cuomo welcomes Grant Cardone, highlighting his vast experience in business, digital media, and real estate. Cuomo emphasizes Cardone's ability to offer insights on improving the American Dream through wealth creation and financial independence.

"Grant Cardone is known really well... how you and I can change how we use money in our lives to create wealth."
[00:28] - Chris Cuomo

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2. Real Estate Strategies and Owner Financing

Cardone discusses innovative real estate strategies, particularly owner financing, as a solution to the current banking challenges in the housing market.

"The only way I would try to sell a home in America today is if I offer owner financing... because you basically... you're solving a problem that banks can't solve right now."
[01:44] - Grant Cardone

He shares an anecdote about listing his Miami house for Bitcoin to generate attention, showcasing his willingness to experiment with unconventional methods.

"I listed my house for bitcoin... a rapper calls me and says, hey, will you sell me your house? I said, Sure... because I was really hoping he would just give me the 20."
[02:00] - Grant Cardone

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3. Cryptocurrency and Bitcoin

Cardone expresses strong support for cryptocurrencies, particularly Bitcoin, viewing it as a more fluid and reliable asset compared to traditional cash.

"Bitcoin's like Manhattan in cyberspace... it's very fluid."
[05:47] - Grant Cardone

Cuomo probes into Cardone's belief in the consistency of Bitcoin with the dollar, leading to a broader discussion on the volatility and future of digital currencies.

"Do you believe in crypto... it's a new currency."
[02:45] - Chris Cuomo

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4. Housing Market and Government Policies

The conversation shifts to the U.S. housing market, with Cardone challenging the notion of a housing shortage by pointing out the millions of vacant homes.

"There's 4 million vacant homes right now in America today... it's not a shortage of housing."
[09:56] - Grant Cardone

He criticizes government regulations as the primary barrier to addressing housing issues, advocating for private sector solutions to fill vacant units efficiently.

"The problem with the government is it just always gets money from another group where business people would... They never take care of anything full."
[10:10] - Grant Cardone

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5. Remote Work vs. Office Environment

Cardone shares his skepticism about the long-term viability of remote work, predicting a resurgence of office-based employment post-pandemic.

"I think the remote work failed... you're going to see people go back to office buildings."
[12:03] - Grant Cardone

He contrasts this with his own company's success in maintaining a robust in-office culture, emphasizing the importance of a motivating and competitive environment.

"We have 260 employees in Miami, another 250 or so in Arizona... we never, ever shut down."
[14:01] - Grant Cardone

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6. Media Influence on the American Dream

Grant critiques the role of social media in shaping unrealistic aspirations, arguing that constant displays of wealth create false expectations.

"Nobody's talking about social media's impact... It's aspirational."
[19:28] - Grant Cardone

Cuomo and Cardone discuss how media can both inspire and alienate individuals, influencing their perception of success and the attainability of the American Dream.

"The media is not going to pick up... like what you're doing right now is an intellectual conversation."
[26:24] - Grant Cardone

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7. Wealth and Financial Education

Cardone emphasizes the importance of financial literacy and practical investment education over traditional saving methods, which he views as ineffective in preserving wealth.

"Save your money. Save your money... you can't save money. It's impossible."
[28:19] - Grant Cardone

He advocates for educating Americans on wealth creation, proposing government-supported programs to teach investment strategies that bypass traditional banking systems.

"Why don't we just teach people that schools can't imagine if every American at least had a choice to have wealth."
[28:15] - Grant Cardone

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8. Politics and Government Intervention

The dialogue turns political as Cardone shares his perspective on former President Trump and the current political landscape, differentiating Trump's movement from traditional Republican ideologies.

"I think Donald Trump is not a Republican... he's a MAGA freak of nature."
[38:29] - Grant Cardone

They debate the role of government in regulating the economy, with Cardone proposing significant tax reforms and a focus on local rather than federal funding.

"I wouldn't collect any Internal Revenue Service taxes... I just don't get it."
[40:15] - Grant Cardone

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9. Social Issues: Homelessness and Wealth Distribution

Cardone addresses homelessness, attributing it to excessive regulations and advocating for private sector solutions over government-run programs.

"I'd worry about them though, before I'd worry about Ukraine... 4 million vacant homes can be utilized."
[50:07] - Grant Cardone

He criticizes California's stringent regulations as a significant factor in its homelessness crisis, advocating for deregulation to boost housing availability.

"They keep, they regulate everything... eviction moratoriums... property values are going to explode."
[49:24] - Grant Cardone

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10. Personal Anecdotes and Interactions

Throughout the episode, Chris Cuomo and Grant Cardone engage in light-hearted banter, discussing personal experiences and adding a personal touch to the conversation.

"I got kicked like two weeks ago by mistake... have herniated discs in my back."
[12:55] - Chris Cuomo

"You look good for being old, dude."
[13:36] - Grant Cardone

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11. Conclusion and Future Outlook

In closing, Cardone outlines his vision for an empowered middle class, supported by financial education and deregulated economic policies. He expresses optimism about leveraging modern technology to educate and empower Americans in wealth creation.

"We should experiment with some of this new stuff... use the vehicles that we already have in place. My phone."
[56:33] - Grant Cardone

Cuomo reinforces the importance of fostering a culture of belief and aspiration, criticizing current societal tendencies towards negativity and blame.

"It's got to be the most obvious, direct, fastest way... It's all Occam's razor."
[46:25] - Chris Cuomo

They conclude with mutual appreciation for the insightful and challenging conversation, encouraging listeners to engage in critical thinking and pursue their own paths to success.

"You are a rich guy... that's what happens when you try to do things differently."
[59:10] - Chris Cuomo

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Notable Quotes:

• "Money's worth nothing... cash is king was a lie."
  [04:35] - Grant Cardone

• "Belief is everything... everybody's worried."
  [17:13] - Grant Cardone

• "If you can do it yourself, but you're like, the media is not going to pick up."
  [26:24] - Grant Cardone

• "Everyone could be an exchanger... the deal would change everyone's life except the banks."
  [32:15] - Grant Cardone

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Conclusion

This episode of The Chris Cuomo Project offers a deep dive into Grant Cardone's perspectives on the American Dream, wealth creation, and the systemic issues hindering economic prosperity. Through candid discussions and thought-provoking insights, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of Cardone's unorthodox approaches to real estate, finance, and societal structures. Whether you agree or disagree, the conversation challenges conventional wisdom and encourages a reevaluation of how success and wealth are perceived and achieved in modern America.

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Transcript

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[Chris Cuomo]

If you put business and big brands and digital media together, you get Grant Cardone. You know the name. Huge following millions and millions gazillions of dollars in real estate. But what's really important and why I wanted him for you here on the Chris Cuomo Project is what he can teach us about how things can be better. I'm Chris Cuomo. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. Grant Cardone is known really well. Is there controversy? Sure. It doesn't really matter to me. I think that there's a through line with what he's about, his understanding of President Trump, why he supports him, what he thinks he needs to change, what he thinks will change, and how you and I can change how we use money in our lives to create wealth. And every time I hear that, I'm like, this has got to be a gimmick. Not the way he sells it. And it's really interesting. So I wanted to talk to him about all of these things and have some fun along the way. So we're going to jump right into this conversation where Grant was already telling me how I should sell my apartment that we're in right now. Grant Cardone.

[Grant Cardone]

The only way I would try to sell a home in America today is if I offer. Offered owner financing. If I was buying a house, the only way I would try to buy a house is with creative owner financing.

[Chris Cuomo]

Because the cost of money's gotten too.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, because you basically. You're basically solving a problem that banks can't solve right now, and you become cheap money.

[Chris Cuomo]

Because I have the ability to back it.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, exactly. So. So, like, I had a. I have a house in Miami and we put it on the market, right? We put it on the market for a bunch of bitcoin. It was really just to come on, right? So to get a bunch of attention. If I list a house. No, I mean just another house. But because I said, I will only take bitcoin, and boom, everybody started covering. So this rapper calls me and says, hey, will you sell me your house? I said, Sure. 20 million down. I think it was 20, but I forget what I offered him 20. I set up 20 and I'll carry the other 20 for you at like nothing and. Because I was really hoping he would just give me the 20, you know, make six or eight months of payments and get a house back and then default, bust out. Do you get the house twice?

[Chris Cuomo]

Do you believe in crypto as.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Huh. Yeah, very much so.

[Chris Cuomo]

And you believe it's going to be consistent with the dollar over time? It's the, it's a new currency.

[Grant Cardone]

Well, I, you know, the, the, the. I'm. I'm just starting to really do my 100 hours on investigating. I was Mike Sailor last Friday while they were buying $4 billion worth.

[Chris Cuomo]

You talked to Scaramucci?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, I have talked to Scaramucci.

[Chris Cuomo]

Do you like him?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, I'd want to like him. I do one of these. Very intelligent guy.

[Chris Cuomo]

He's easy to like. He doesn't like. That's personal.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, I just don't. Yeah, that's the part that throws me off a little bit. He's so personal about my bro. Just let it go, man. Like. Well, it doesn't have to be. You're leading trump your, your first card.

[Chris Cuomo]

If he had said about you what he said about Anthony and his wife, by the way.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Then would you forgive it? So easy?

[Grant Cardone]

I don't know. We'll go there.

[Chris Cuomo]

You see car. Don't. This is the problem with the handsome guys.

[Grant Cardone]

No, I, I don't, I don't, I don't know. You know, I, I don't think I would have got in that match in the first place.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah, well, that's Anthony.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

You know, he's another brand of Italian, kind of like you, the Italians with the fine features.

[Grant Cardone]

That ugly.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh no, Scaramucci, not for an Italian man.

[Grant Cardone]

You don't.

[Chris Cuomo]

You think pretty.

[Grant Cardone]

You're a good looking man. Pretty face.

[Chris Cuomo]

But I have been choosing.

[Grant Cardone]

I got to know I have the same scare.

[Chris Cuomo]

Talking about the same guy. Yeah, you've been talking about like some other guy. But he's got the fine features, got the fine nose. Fine. You know what I'm just talking about, dude. I know what Anthony looks like. He's one of my feet.

[Grant Cardone]

I know how to dress.

[Chris Cuomo]

He is okay. He's overly challenged. He's vertically challenged.

[Grant Cardone]

Vertically, Vertically challenged. He never takes care of himself. He's fucking flabby.

[Chris Cuomo]

He's had health issues. He's had health issues. He's getting over him. But his face, I'm just, I only want to stipulate to the face, bro.

[Grant Cardone]

He looks like a caveman when he talks.

[Chris Cuomo]

No, no, no. For Italian, bro, you find very Fine features.

[Grant Cardone]

Oh my God.

[Chris Cuomo]

Telling you, that's why, you know, he's Sicilian. Because. No, I'm a straight man, but I can appreciate when a man is good looking.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. So back to crypto. Okay.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yes.

[Grant Cardone]

So, so what? I, I am not a gambler. I get better. I own no gold, no stocks, no silver, nothing. But I do know one thing for sure. That money's worth nothing. This idea that cash is king was a lie. In God we Trust on the back of the bill. It's garbage.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why? Why?

[Grant Cardone]

Because nothing, it's just. It's paper that's printed over and over and over again. So like, what I, what I do is I, you know, I want people, I want connections, okay? We have a connection. You and I have a connection and we figure out how to do some business and you give me some paper for it. I don't want that piece of paper because I'm gonna lose it. Somebody's gonna steal it. Government's going to tax it. My kids are going to grab it. My wife thinks she's entitled to it.

[Chris Cuomo]

She's right.

[Grant Cardone]

That's some of my. I leave it in my desk, you know, the next thing you know, it's missing, the maid grabs it. So what I do is I, I've learned how to convert the paper to something real, like this building or lots of these buildings.

[Chris Cuomo]

So you're all about real estate.

[Grant Cardone]

Well, well, but, but, but real estate's got its problems, okay? It's slow, it's, it's heavy. It has termites and tenants and toilets and roofs and all the bullshit, right? But it comes with great tax write offs. So the bitcoin thing, the thing about bitcoin. Bitcoin's like Sador talks about it being Manhattan in cyberspace, right? Because it can move. It's very fluid. But I think once, you know, I would never bet on bitcoin in the beginning to create wealth, I would use real. I would use people, if that's not a terrible word, use. Use in a good way, that we're using one another, right? To create, to get fiat, to invest in real, in something real and real thing to pay me cash. And I would use the distributions to live off of or to buy my next, my bitcoin investment.

[Chris Cuomo]

How do you deal with the volatility?

[Grant Cardone]

Well, I don't ever trade anything.

[Chris Cuomo]

So, you know, but I'm saying if you put up.

[Grant Cardone]

I mean, I'm married in 21 years, so.

[Chris Cuomo]

Good. I know, new trade, that's a good investment, right? But the. Let's Say it's.

[Grant Cardone]

And we're going to, you know, neither one of us are going to look as good as the bitcoin will in 20 years from.

[Chris Cuomo]

That's for sure. You, I don't know. Your agent will. I don't know. We'll see what happens. But 90,000 today could be 30,000 a week from now.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. And, and I, and I buy some more and I expected to go there, actually. I think go back down. Yeah. Huh. But, but I'm a 10 year guy. I'm a 10, 15, 20 year guy.

[Chris Cuomo]

You're a patient.

[Grant Cardone]

Like, like if you look at the. Because you're Catholic, right?

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah, I was raised Catholic.

[Grant Cardone]

So. So not the Vatican. What's, what's the name of the building that's so. So. And everybody loves so much.

[Chris Cuomo]

The Vatican plus the Vatican.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Okay. I mean, how long.

[Chris Cuomo]

St. Peter's Basilica. There you go.

[Grant Cardone]

That's where I was thinking of. How long has that building been there?

[Chris Cuomo]

Long time.

[Grant Cardone]

The Catholic Church owns more real estate than any other group on planet Earth. So if you can go long periods of time, you're going to be fine. But if you're trying to get in and out, you know, Trump, Trump lost the plaza. Over leveraged. It probably, you know, top five pieces of real estate on planet Earth over leveraged. It couldn't weather the storm. Lost. It's got to be one of his.

[Chris Cuomo]

Great regrets, probably because the prestige of that building, that made him. Oh, that made him what they call in Yiddish, a mocker. He was a, he was a top tier guy. Totally with that. And then when it went down, it defined him for a long time. Would you consider going into the administration to help your friend, President Elect Trump?

[Grant Cardone]

I would go, yes. Yeah, I would. Yeah. But to help the people.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah. Why else would you go?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, I would. Well, not to help him so much. I would do it to help the people. I think, I think if I could get a position where I could actually help transform things, which I think could be very easily done, by the way. I think.

[Chris Cuomo]

Easily done.

[Grant Cardone]

I think there's a number of things that could be easily.

[Chris Cuomo]

What can be done easily?

[Grant Cardone]

Well, for instance, that night that you, you were so nice to have me on your show.

[Chris Cuomo]

And, and we're gonna do it again.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay. With, with.

[Chris Cuomo]

You know why? Because he's handsome. Go ahead.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay. With Bill. Bill was on. I didn't know he was going to be on. Right. I've never debated a politician, but I'm like, these guys are out of ideas. Like, like, I'm like That, that wasn't a debate. He has no solutions except section 8 government. Raise taxes, build something. You don't need to do that. Like there's so many things that can be done that, that a businessman does.

[Chris Cuomo]

With no budget like that government can do. Because government isn't the government working on a profit. They don't have business.

[Grant Cardone]

I was at an event this morning with, what was it? Bazinga? Okay, yeah, I left an event, my event yesterday. I had 1100 people at the event. Two days, I come to their event. They got 35 people there because they're funded. They, they, they raise money from some investors and they don't know how to get money to fill the room. So I, I've never taken any investors money. In the beginning, we took no money. I have no promotion, like, no sponsorship. I just learned how to get money. Right. So, so with the government. The problem with the government is it just always gets money from another group where business people would. The housing problem. There's 4 million vacant homes right now in America today that literally you can literally give to someone. There's not 4 million. There's not shortage of housing in America.

[Chris Cuomo]

Everybody says there's a shortage of housing.

[Grant Cardone]

It's bullshit.

[Chris Cuomo]

It's not true, is it? Because those homes are not affordable or habitable.

[Grant Cardone]

There's empty bedrooms. Look, this is one of them. I could sleep here tonight if I made the right deal with you. I don't need to go buy a house. You wouldn't have to buy a deal.

[Chris Cuomo]

If you wanted to stay here. The answer would be yes.

[Grant Cardone]

But, you know, they're all over the place there' but, but the government says, oh, we have to build something new and we have to raise dollars and we need to make another rule and another law. It's not necessary. Okay, Go to Dubai. You've been to Dubai. Look how they're building over there. I go to New Jersey, I cross the river over there. It takes seven years to build something.

[Chris Cuomo]

So you think it's regulations?

[Grant Cardone]

Oh, 100% regulations. And, and they should give incentives to a guy like me. I have 15,000 apartments. There's what, a thousand of them are vacant right now? If they came to me and said, fill those units up, we'll give you no taxes on those 1500 units. I mean, I fucking fill them up.

[Chris Cuomo]

Sweet. Hold on.

[Grant Cardone]

And it'd be a good deal for them.

[Chris Cuomo]

I get it.

[Grant Cardone]

It'd be a good deal for the city. It's a good deal for me, the investor. There are already vacant units all over New York. So all over New Jersey, all over Miami.

[Chris Cuomo]

So wait, so slow it down for me. Let's. Why are there 4 million vacant homes? Why are there a thousand vacant cardone apartments?

[Grant Cardone]

Because nobody can keep anything full. Because I have this, this, this somebody coming in, then they're going to leave. Nobody stays full. Nobody ever builds the right amount.

[Chris Cuomo]

So you don't believe it's a supply issue?

[Grant Cardone]

No, I'm 100%, I don't. But. But I tend to think around, I bend around corners. So. And even if it is a supply issue, like he wants to build on federal land, who wants to live on federal land?

[Chris Cuomo]

People can't live anywhere else, but then they don't have a job because it can't get anywhere.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, I mean like who? You know, there's no jobs out there. So that's the problem. 80% of the population lives in like 20 cities. And those cities are going to get bigger and it's, you know.

[Chris Cuomo]

Do you think the cities get bigger? Do you think people with remote work and stuff like that just start moving to the places that are more sparsely populated?

[Grant Cardone]

I think the remote work failed.

[Chris Cuomo]

Really?

[Grant Cardone]

And it will never, it will never work. And you're going to see people go back to office buildings.

[Chris Cuomo]

Really?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. And you're going to have bigger office buildings, not smaller ones.

[Chris Cuomo]

Really? Yeah. This is very unconventional thinking because I got to tell you. Well, my business is a little different. It isn't working well in my business. You need to be around. I know right now my team's like this guy. I'm only there like once a week. It's different.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

I do my own writing. I talk to Dusty, my EP all day long. But the connective tissue matters in my business. But for a lot of people. I have people work remote.

[Grant Cardone]

They like it. Comedy doesn't. You don't think the efficiency doesn't. No, I know it. I mean I. You look, they've all quitted. They. Everybody that was far at everybody that said it was going to work. I don't know how you look like this on that couch the whole time like this. I feel uncomfortable for you.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why?

[Grant Cardone]

Because it's like that?

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh no, no, no, this is fine. I'm sitting like this because I have herniated discs in my back from the fighting and who you fighting? I have been doing different kinds of self defense and ground fighting for 35 years. But something, I got kicked like two weeks ago by mistake. We were sparring, but I mean, and I'm old so like shit that used to hurt is now an injury.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

So I'm just living on a leave and waiting for it to go away.

[Grant Cardone]

Well, you worry about me. You look good for being old, dude. You look good for being old. So.

[Chris Cuomo]

So continue your point.

[Grant Cardone]

What was it? What we were talking about?

[Chris Cuomo]

See that? You don't even remember. No, no, see, so you're thinking about your back. You.

[Grant Cardone]

Thank you.

[Chris Cuomo]

Thank you very much. You are.

[Grant Cardone]

Because I know what pain's like. Pain's terrible, man.

[Chris Cuomo]

Pain is terrible. You read the Sarno book?

[Grant Cardone]

No.

[Chris Cuomo]

See, we're similar. We jump around topics the way our brains.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Chris Cuomo]

It's good, though, the Sarno book. Oh, my aching back is a good way to deal with the pain. The pain is real, but your tension around it makes it stay. Yeah. You were taking me through housing and the transition.

[Grant Cardone]

Remote. Remote. Remote Work.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah.

[Grant Cardone]

So. So we have 260 employees in Miami, another 250 or so in Arizona. We never shut down. You come to work. You come to work every day, sometimes six to seven days a week. And if you don't want to, you just don't get to work there. So we never, ever shut down. We. I never bought the.

[Chris Cuomo]

How many people you lose?

[Grant Cardone]

Oh, I don't know. I've hired thousands of people. But I'm saying, like. Like, I've been through thousands of people, but I'm not in my turnover.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm not saying turnover in terms of the nature of your business dynamic. I'm saying from that decision.

[Grant Cardone]

No, we grew. I mean, we just grew Net. Net. We grew.

[Chris Cuomo]

So during the pandemic, people didn't say, I can't come in.

[Grant Cardone]

Sure they did. And then we found people that would. You remember, I think it was September 23rd or something. And Google and the banks and Facebook said on September, there was some date. Let's pretend it was that date. On this day, if you. If you don't get vaccinated, you cannot work here anymore.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay. So the date, when I saw that coming down two days before that, it was a Monday, I advertised on. On Google and Facebook and just did a little meme, did a little popup. If you work for Google, any of the banks, Facebook, the airlines, I will hire you, relocate you. We had 4700 resumes in 48 hours.

[Chris Cuomo]

Wow.

[Grant Cardone]

We couldn't even respond to all of them. We opened a remote thing up. We did a remote thing and said, hey, we're going to hire salespeople from around the country. You get to stay where you're at. It was a bit of A, come on, you can, you can stay remote. Okay. We had like, I don't know, 6,000 interviews. Now what happened was those people that we hired, we then invited into our office and said, would you like to be in this environment or would you like to go home and do this on your own? And they're like, man, I'd rather stay here because of the environment. And that's the problem with office. Right. The real problem with office is not where somebody wants to be, is that the company's not providing a winning environment and a culture where there's, you know, there's pressure and compression and motivation and excitement.

[Chris Cuomo]

I think that's why leadership is so important. One of the reasons is culture. Whether it's you, Anthony, who's better looking than you give him credit for, or our friend Patrick bet David.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

You go to that value attainment place.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Those people. And I know it's not just valuetainment. He's got his consulting, he's got the insurance. They believe.

[Grant Cardone]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

As a team in that place. And it's such a force multiplier. And it's an interesting transition point for us because I believe, believe that belief, reason to believe is really at a low right now. Somebody said something to me this morning. It made me realize I don't hear people say enough. Like the flag has become the Republican Party symbol. I don't know why the Democrats gave it to the Republicans, but they did you see a repo. I have a flag on my truck.

[Grant Cardone]

Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

People say to me, I don't have like a big flag hanging off.

[Grant Cardone]

I have a stick.

[Chris Cuomo]

And they'll say, you don't have a 40 footer. Yeah. They'll say, why do you have, why do you have a flag on your shoe?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

I said, because I'm proud of my country.

[Grant Cardone]

Exactly.

[Chris Cuomo]

And they're like, oh, I just, I'm surprised that you, you know, you do that because Democrats hate the country. I was like, first of all, Democrats don't hate the country. Right. I'm not a Democrat. But the point remains. Where do you think we are and how fundamental is it to what you say in terms of getting things done? Easily. That you believe that that's the culture, that that's where you are, that people are motivated to do things different. Yeah.

[Grant Cardone]

I mean, look, man, belief is everything. Like, you know what and what. And most of the time I don't have it. I grew up very similar situation to you. You. I mean, you have way more connections than I did. But, but, but you had them all like, I. I wasn't connected. You didn't have money, maybe, but I don't know, maybe you did. No, we didn't have money and I didn't have a father. Okay? And. And so all I had was stories about the Great Depression, Food lines. Be grateful for what you have. Like, you. You need to be happy. I'm like, happy. God damn. Everybody's worried. Every goddamn day you're clipping coupons, you're spending freaking. My mama just sat there and clipped on the dotted line. She. She knew where every one of those coupons were. She knew what day they worked. I mean, she's like, stay out of that drawer. I'm an identical twin with the last of five kids. And. And me and my brother, I'm 11 years old. We're in there pissing. And down the hallway, I piss, I go to flush, and my mom's like, no, let him piss too. Like, save the water. Everything was about saving.

[Chris Cuomo]

Fear.

[Grant Cardone]

There was so much fear. We were middle class. We were a middle class family, but there was fear everywhere. No belief or really the belief was negative. You're going to go broke. Something bad is going to happen. The roofer's going to you, car dealer is going to screw you. You know, you can't make any investments. The investment guy is going to screw you. Everything was like. It was just terrible, dude.

[Chris Cuomo]

Hey, that's exactly what just decided this election, by the way, is you have a majority. Right. I mean, you know, the numbers are the numbers. You have a majority in the country and, you know, the Democrats lost the plot on this point. That the pain is real out there and it's not a relative assessment. No one wants to say, well, but Grant's got it worse than you do.

[Grant Cardone]

Right, right, right.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm sorry for Grant. Right. I worry about me or, you know, the economy's not what it was a year ago. We're in a better place now. I don't feel better.

[Grant Cardone]

Right. Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm worried about everything.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

I cannot live the dream. And the American dream is largely about having things.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. And they're seeing it now on Instagram. This is the other thing that's happened that, that I think is that nobody's talking about. When social media hit and people like idiots like me start showing off their plane and their car, all of a sudden it becomes real. And I think people have seen possibility.

[Chris Cuomo]

You're, you know, wait, you see it as aspirational.

[Grant Cardone]

It's aspiration, like, not them judging you.

[Chris Cuomo]

Like, you're part of the elite Now I have to hate you.

[Grant Cardone]

Well, they are, they are. There is some of that, but, but, but it went at scale so hard. It used to be the kings, you know, hid behind the, the walls, right? You, you did, you didn't. Unless you got in the bedroom, you didn't see what the sheets were like today, man. You can see the sheets. You can see the sheets. The lifestyle, the trips, the vacations, the watches, the cars. Like for the first time ever, the, the, the, the COVID on the rich has been pulled back and it's normal. People, like, I'm a normal guy. I grew up in the bayous of Louisiana, dude. Like, like, people are like, he can do that, I can do this. And I think that that's very aspirational and that's the leadership that you're talking about, the believability of, like, he can do it, I can do it.

[Chris Cuomo]

I don't like the.

[Grant Cardone]

But your shape and your condition, your muscle tells me, hey, if he can have that at 64 years old, I can. I'm 54.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm 50.

[Grant Cardone]

Scaramucci.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'll kick you.

[Grant Cardone]

Scaramucci. Scaramucci. Scaramucci. When he, like the way he walks around, you know, I'm like, oh, shit.

[Chris Cuomo]

He'S had health issues.

[Grant Cardone]

Whatever.

[Chris Cuomo]

He was a college lacrosse player.

[Grant Cardone]

Whatever.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm telling you, he'll be back.

[Grant Cardone]

Have you had health issues? Oh, I've had health issues.

[Chris Cuomo]

I am a health issue. Please, I am a virus.

[Grant Cardone]

But you look good. But you look good.

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[Chris Cuomo]

I get why people say, hey, I don't like the two sets of rules. I don't like that it's rigged. I don't like that. I get it.

[Grant Cardone]

I get it.

[Chris Cuomo]

That's one kind of elite, that's one kind of establishment. My concern is that we seem to be punishing the idea of success. Yeah, you know that like no, it's anyone who's wealthy is Somehow bad. And, you know, look, I mean, I get that my father.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Was a real anti elitist because they had looked down on. On him as an Italian. He was never considered a white guy. You and I are white guys.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

That generation. My father was described as a swarthy ethnic gap tooth Mario, Mercurial Mario. Is he a Mafiosi?

[Grant Cardone]

That's how he was dealt with.

[Chris Cuomo]

They didn't give him jobs. He didn't share the valedictory at his school with an Irish guy.

[Grant Cardone]

Wow.

[Chris Cuomo]

Because they were in control of the school. So he was the real deal. But he never punished the dream of being rich. He would just say to people, like, he loved meeting people who had done it themselves. And he said, let me ask you, what are you gonna do with it? What are you gonna do with it? What do you want to do with the money?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

And that was his point of fascination is like, you know, he was curious. Yeah. Like, what are you. I mean, we're gonna give it to your kids. You're just gonna ruin them.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. So.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah. What do you want to do with it?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

And that was. He never was. I don't like you because you're wealthy now. It's like we're punishing success as a way of reducing people's concern that they're not good enough.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

And to give them someone to be angry at.

[Grant Cardone]

I think there is that audience of haters and have quit on the dream, you know, But. But I also know that there's an audience out there that's like, inspired and inspired by it. They just don't get the headlines, you know, they're not the protesters.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right, right.

[Grant Cardone]

So. So, you know, the. The media is not going to pick up. I love Grant Cardone, by the way. Now I'm a cult.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah. You have a big following.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, but. But I'm just saying it becomes culty like, like negative if people follow.

[Chris Cuomo]

But it's not like, it's not like.

[Grant Cardone]

As opposed to people hate. Like, hate is a cult too.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah, that's true. You know, and look, depending on what you're selling, it works for you either way, right?

[Grant Cardone]

Oh, 100.

[Chris Cuomo]

As long as they'll pay attention to you.

[Grant Cardone]

All you haters out there, please don't quit hating on me. Okay? You keep my fire bright. Why don't quit.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why do you think you have haters?

[Grant Cardone]

Well, personally, I think hate. Hate is just a perverted form of admiration. I just think it's a. They, they. They actually admire me and they can't send me that because, because they're reminded that they quit on that very thing that I, that I accomplished. I don't have that problem. Like when I, I was with this guy, he's worth 12 or 13 billion dollars. Self made guy, number 8, 12, you know, rated 8 on the Forbes list. I don't hate him, dude, because he's rich. I admire him. Like, I just, like, to me, I just want to praise him. Like, dude, that's amazing. He had to get it, he had to keep it, and then he had to figure out how to multiply, you know, now he's got to figure out how to give it away.

[Chris Cuomo]

Like your dad was using, you know, I mean, I don't have to give a bunch, but I think it is an interesting thing. Like what do you do with your money?

[Grant Cardone]

My point is that plenty of people can get money and a lot of people even have trouble with that. Most of the country knows how to get it. They don't know how to keep it. And, and, and part of this is because, and this is where I kind of think a little different than most people. We have been. We have not. We're not financially illiterate, okay? We are financially indoctrinated to not have money. You cannot have a country that's this wealthy and have so many people that aren't wealthy. Unless those people were educated. Play the game like this, you know, which is what?

[Chris Cuomo]

To live on credit.

[Grant Cardone]

No, no, definitely not. They, they need to.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right? That's your idea about. Cash is king now, don't you have concerns?

[Grant Cardone]

Save your money. Save your money. Save your money. Save your money. You can't save money. It's impossible. There has never been in the history of money a way to save money.

[Chris Cuomo]

Well, people have savings.

[Grant Cardone]

No, it's. No, no, no, no. They have a deception. You put a million dollars in an account in 2020 today, you open it up, you didn't earn any interest on it. Let's say it's going to say a million dollars. It's the bank of America, Citibank, Goldman Sachs. It's going to still say $1 million under your name. But what they didn't tell you was that it does not buy a million dollars worth of services if it was true. Like truth in, I don't know, currency. There was a truth and truth in currency display on there where you had to give complete acknowledgement that that is only $680,000.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, because of the cost of living?

[Grant Cardone]

Yes, because it was like this money was printed in 2020. It would then say my Money was. I got a $1,958 in my pocket, right? I don't really. But $100, that's it. Should stay on there. 10 bucks.

[Chris Cuomo]

Is that when you were born? Yeah. See, I know his age. I don't upsell him by 10 years. What? Go ahead. I'm over it. I'm over it. Not really. I'm not over it.

[Grant Cardone]

I'm not over it. All right, now.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm over now.

[Grant Cardone]

It's so easy to get this guy. All you gotta do is bring up his looks.

[Chris Cuomo]

Ten years older than I am now.

[Grant Cardone]

You look great, dude. Yeah, you look great, dude.

[Chris Cuomo]

Continue.

[Grant Cardone]

You look great.

[Chris Cuomo]

So what do you think we should be telling people?

[Grant Cardone]

No examples. We need. We need to quit telling people anything. We need to show people examples. Show me how you can do this. Like, show me how to do it. Quit teaching me. Okay, show me how to get a dollar. Show me what to do with a dollar. Okay. When in our. In our classes, like, we have kids come in our schoolroom, we do not teach them. First we say, earn and then learn. Get the bag. Now what? Oh, shit. That worked, right? I don't teach a kid about candy. I let him eat the candy. He's like, I want another lick of that. So. So we're not. We're teaching children and their. Their parents the wrong way. Overwhelmed with information. You need life insurance. You need to save money. You need to diversify. You got to have a, you know, 40% here of. I'm like, I don't. I ain't going to do anything. I'm confused. So what am I to do? I'm going to leave my money at the bank. What does the money. What does the bank do with my money? They l. They. They lend it out to people like me. They do not keep the money. So. So I wrote Trump and the Harris administration. I didn't call it Make America Americans wealthy again. With Harris, I called it something else. But with him, I'm like, hey, let me help you roll. A program out on the 20th of January where we. We educate all Americans how to have wealth. The path, how to get there, the wrecks along the way what wealthy people do with their money. You know, like, it's all an open book. Why don't we just teach people that schools can't imagine if every American at least had a choice to have wealth.

[Chris Cuomo]

Does capitalism support that when you need winners and losers?

[Grant Cardone]

Oh, yeah. 100. How? Because, I mean, you don't have to have losers. Well, everybody could be an exchange Everybody can win in, in a real, in a deal, in a great deal, everybody would win. There would not be a loser. The deal that I put together for you for your house, if you wanted to sell this place, everybody wins on that deal except the bank. Because right now the bank wins on every transaction. The good, the bad, the ugly, everything. So what we did at like Cardone Capital is I basically bypassed the bank. Goldman Sachs, boss. You know, all these guys down south, I've never got a penny from them. I could raised a billion dollars, 1.5 billion bolt, $5 billion worth of real estate and I just don't use them. I go to people, I go to the world. I go to the people that actually need the investments. Regular, everyday people. There's millions of us. And, and rather than, rather than, look, look what you've done with your show. Okay, Rather than depending upon the network, what was the name of that network?

[Chris Cuomo]

The one I'm at?

[Grant Cardone]

No, the one you were at.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, cnn.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, yeah. Rather than depending on them, boom, you're going to do your own thing. And that's what we did with money. And people can actually start thinking about how to do that with money and cut out the rich guys. I'm not a rich guy. Okay, yeah, you are. No, no, Fidelity is a rich guy. Fidelity is 14 trillion.

[Chris Cuomo]

Fidelity is a lot of rich guys. But you're a rich guy.

[Grant Cardone]

Well, yeah, but.

[Chris Cuomo]

Good thing.

[Grant Cardone]

No, thank you. But, but yeah, no, from nothing. So yeah, from a drug problem at 24 years old. But so, but, but the, the wealth or the real wealth in this country is in a handful of machines, right? Not people. It's not Jeff Bezos that, that is the bad guy.

[Chris Cuomo]

So how can government address that? Or are you crazy because you're going against the power structure.

[Grant Cardone]

Barack, Barack passed the jobs act that opened this up. That gave me permission to go raise money online at scale. So that was a great, that was a great passage of that act. They need to lower the, the requirements. You know, there's this non accredited, accredited thing the, the SEC has in this terrible, it's discriminatory. Best is racist. Like borders on racism.

[Chris Cuomo]

Because it's self. It's too selective because it says if.

[Grant Cardone]

You make $189,000 and I come to you, I say, Chris, man, I got this deal, dude. I bought it. I'm buying, I'm buying it with my money. This is how we do our deals. I'm buying it with my cash and then I'm gonna give it to a bunch of guys, whoever wants it can have it. And, and if you guys don't want it, I'm gonna keep the whole thing to myself. This deal is a screamer. And the SEC would say you can't.

[Chris Cuomo]

Invest in that deal because I don't make enough money to be.

[Grant Cardone]

You're not smart enough, you're not sophisticated enough. You caveman looking Italiano.

[Chris Cuomo]

They say they're protecting people. They're not so much risk.

[Grant Cardone]

They're protecting black lack of bank of America and Wells Fargo and Fidelity. That's why that law was put in. That's a law who really needs that investment. And then by the way, if you make 200 grand a year or even 189000 at lower number, you can only put 10% of your money in that deal. Now why in a free country should.

[Chris Cuomo]

You be protected by the government?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah man, like what if that's the deal that's going to change your life? It changed my life. Investing made me accredited investor not earning income. Okay. My earned income is going to go down in value. I earn income save it at the bank. Good for the bank. The bank. The bank's not going to even keep it, okay. They're going to send it out to investors. The Blackstones and the blackrocks. That's how this system works. And it bypassed the little guy so they basically got access to all the little guy. 97.5% of the entire American public is non accredited and don't get access to alternative great investments.

[Chris Cuomo]

The problem of the big guys eating everything up for themselves. Your brother in arms in, in supporting the president Bobby Kennedy says that the housing shortage is because of big guys buying up a ton.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Of units.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Not true. It's not true. Big guys own a very little bit of the real estate in America. So it's just not true.

[Chris Cuomo]

Just finding a convenient guy that people don't like. Which is the big guy.

[Grant Cardone]

Right. Well I mean I know he, he, he thinks they're buying all of it like we buy, we buy assets from them. So they're not buying all of it because I know where I'm buying my assets from. The real problem is Americans are buying single family homes rather than the assets that the big guys are buying.

[Chris Cuomo]

Which are what? The multifamily homes?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, 100%. So Americans have been educated by the banks.

[Chris Cuomo]

Again, can they afford it though? People will say I can't buy house. Like I was talking with Greg, my producer, you know he's got a little.

[Grant Cardone]

Baby now for me to buy this whole building than one Unit.

[Chris Cuomo]

But how would you get the capital? I mean for you? Yeah, because you're a man of means.

[Grant Cardone]

No, because I could get a loan. I could get a loan on this whole building easier than I could get a loan on one unit.

[Chris Cuomo]

Really?

[Grant Cardone]

Let's pretend I could get everybody out that owns this property. I could try to buy one unit or. How many, how many? How many units are in this bill?

[Chris Cuomo]

50.

[Grant Cardone]

Let's say there's 50. I could get a loan on the 50 without even using my own personal credit. But if I tried to buy one, I would need my own personal credit. This. People just don't know this.

[Chris Cuomo]

I didn't know it.

[Grant Cardone]

Of course not. Because the bank of America said you should look, you should buy a home. Your dad told you you should buy a home.

[Chris Cuomo]

Your.

[Grant Cardone]

His grandparent, his. Your granddad said buy a home, don't rent. Buy home, don't rent. Buy a home, don't rent. What he should have said is buy the whole building and rent it out to other people and then go live some other place. But they didn't tell us that. I was 28 years old and I bought my first house. I shouldn't have. I should have invested in my business and in myself. What's a 28 year old kid hunkering down for? Like. Like. It's just the priority. The sequence of investing is incorrect.

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[Chris Cuomo]

Let me put your mind to a different matter. When you look at government other than this kind of rigged capital system. Yeah, you were enthusiastic about the President getting in because you believe things need to be disrupted and changed.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Like what? Well, first of all, I don't. I don't believe he's a Republican. So let me just get that out of the way for everybody. I don't think Donald Trump is a Republican.

[Chris Cuomo]

What is he?

[Grant Cardone]

I think the Republican Party is not the. I think it's a maga. I think it's. I think this is a new thing, man.

[Chris Cuomo]

So he's not a Republican, and the Republicans aren't the Republicans. So who are they?

[Grant Cardone]

I think some of those guys are Republicans, but I think.

[Chris Cuomo]

What is he?

[Grant Cardone]

I don't think. I think he's a. I think he's. He's a. He's a freak of nature.

[Chris Cuomo]

Politically.

[Grant Cardone]

What is he? I. I don't think he's a Republican. I think he's. I think he's maga, actually. I think this MAGA thing is actually a real thing now. I wouldn't have said that four or five years ago. Something happened where this make America great again thing is starting to really resonate with people. Like, yeah, I want my country back. I want greatness. I want potential back. From who? I want it back from drifting off into boys bathrooms and Ukraine and, like, the drift to save the world. Okay. And it's fine. Save the whole world. If you say if your cities are fine, but, you know, our resources are starting to look depleted.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why Ukraine and not Israel?

[Grant Cardone]

Israel, too, by the way, if I was president, I'd say we're banning all wars for 12 years. We're not going to invest anything. You guys kill yourselves. Go. Go for it. You got 12 years. Hit it. Hit it hard. But we're going to stay out all your. We're going to reinvest all the money right here in America. In 12 years from now, y'all gonna look up and see a freaking super country.

[Chris Cuomo]

But what about your allies?

[Grant Cardone]

I'm not worried about them.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right.

[Grant Cardone]

For a short period of time. I know, I know it seems impossible.

[Chris Cuomo]

I mean, Ukraine is one thing, but.

[Grant Cardone]

I would not have the irs. I wouldn't collect no Internal Revenue Service taxes.

[Chris Cuomo]

Then where do you get the revenue for the government property taxes?

[Grant Cardone]

So I didn't pay any federal last year.

[Chris Cuomo]

Well, then wouldn't that affect people's ability to buy property?

[Grant Cardone]

No.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why not?

[Grant Cardone]

It'd be because I have more money now.

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, because there's no.

[Grant Cardone]

I made 10. Let's say I made $10 million last year. Now I'll pay $4 million in federal. I have $4 million to invest.

[Chris Cuomo]

But isn't it just shifting pockets? But now you're gonna have to pay a lot more.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, it's back to my pocket. Not. Not Adam Shift. Or you know what? Whoever these people are. Donald Trump. It should be up to Donald Trump how we use money. Or Barack. It shouldn't be up to those people. It should be up to me how I use my money. Let me just go work my money.

[Chris Cuomo]

And what funds the government property taxes?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Wouldn't they have to be crazy high?

[Grant Cardone]

No, but they're like. Right. Last year, last year, I paid no federal. Okay, no federal taxes, But I paid 40 million in property taxes. I paid a bunch of Social Security taxes. I have a bunch of employees. So I'm contributing, but only at the local level. So why should I fund New York City if I'm not invested here?

[Chris Cuomo]

Because we're all in it together. That's why. Because it's a country. You're supposed to take care of each other.

[Grant Cardone]

How do you explain how Mississippi and Louisiana then?

[Chris Cuomo]

Because we don't do it well.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay. Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

I mean, that. That's like. Look, why do we call America the experiment? We call America the experiment. Or America is referred to as an experiment. Because nobody's ever done this before.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

And it's hard.

[Grant Cardone]

We should experiment with some of this new stuff then.

[Chris Cuomo]

I think that there is. What do they call it? Paralysis by analysis. We live in a society that is driven by me making advantage over proving you fucked up personally all day long. Anything I can get you on, doesn't matter what you did. You could be saving a child from the mouth of a tiger.

[Grant Cardone]

Right, Right. Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

If I find out that you also did this thing that's somehow moral. It's got to be moral. It's got to be moral or immoral because we are a completely faux puritanical society. Right. We'll kill you for that. But we all do it. Right. If I show a nipple on TV tonight, yeah. I'm done. I'm fired. We consume more porn than any other country per capita.

[Grant Cardone]

Right, Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

So it's got to be moral. So on the personal level, all gotcha all the time. And then in terms of how we look at government and look at people who try things, the expression is, America loves to come back. Yeah. After we killed you the first time. Yeah. You know, once we killed you the first time, then, yeah, we'll see if you can come back. I think that's a reason that people don't experiment now. Not, I'm saying, on the big Level. You experimented, you know, you made ways of doing things that you know were very risky, and now you know how to do them and reduce the risk. But on the government level, on the political level, people don't want to take risks because you get judged by your failures, not your successes.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, but when you got a guy like Elon getting in there saying, hey, I don't care.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah.

[Grant Cardone]

Or he does care more and has nothing to lose.

[Chris Cuomo]

He doesn't care about what people say about what he does. Yeah, exactly, but.

[Grant Cardone]

And he's not going to be up for another term either, having to sell himself.

[Chris Cuomo]

Neither is Trump.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. I think that's a great combination.

[Chris Cuomo]

What do you think of people who say, whoa, what Cuomo just said? We don't know that. That. That's true. We don't know that he's going to leave. We don't know that he's not going on a revenge tour. We're not going. That he wants to be a dictator. Hey, I hear it all the time. Do you? Yeah. And I got to tell you, he's not a dictator. You know what? People don't like to hear me say that.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

People get so mad.

[Grant Cardone]

This guy wants to win, period. I know this guy. This guy. High ego. Extremely high ego. What's the. What's the value of us? Extremely high ego. I want to win. I want to look good, and I want to be remembered in a good way. He does not want to lose. He does. He wants to do good things. Probably more so now today than even the first time.

[Chris Cuomo]

He is not on the Cardone Cuomo fitness plan.

[Grant Cardone]

No. No, he's not.

[Chris Cuomo]

Dude may want to look good, but he has a different definition than you and I do.

[Grant Cardone]

I mean, there's something to be said. There's something to be said about a guy that can eat McDonald's, drink Coca Cola. Like, his belief right now might be like, I don't. I'm good. And belief, the mind over matter thing is real. You're. You're in good shape because you believe you can be. Let's keep it real.

[Chris Cuomo]

And I do the work, and you.

[Grant Cardone]

Do the work, but you wouldn't do the work if you didn't believe you could make yourself look a certain way.

[Chris Cuomo]

It is true. So the number one thing that knocks you off a diet is that you feel that you're not going to meet your goal.

[Grant Cardone]

Right, right.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why would I keep depriving myself? Yeah, I get it. And I think that translates. I think a big problem that we have now is that we're addicted to the negative, and we apply it nowhere else in our lives. I mean, just imagine parents talking to their kids the way we discuss our politics. And, you know, me looking at my son being. Look, look, let's be honest, okay?

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

You're not gonna set the world on fire. All right? I know you say you wanna do this, you wanna do that. I don't think you're gonna do it.

[Grant Cardone]

Right. Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

And this ain't gonna work. In politics, we do that all the time.

[Grant Cardone]

Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right. This one's worse than this. Well, which one's worse? You know, your kid comes home. How'd you do on the test? I got a 71. 71. Hey, my friend got a 68. Oh, okay.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

That would never happen, you know.

[Grant Cardone]

Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

With your kid. In politics, we do it all the time. You know, this guy. Oh, man, he's got all these things wrong with him. Oh, yeah. But you know, she's kind of worse.

[Grant Cardone]

Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

All right, then I got to go with him. We don't apply this anywhere else. When you're looking at investments and someone showed you, well, you're going to lose 18% on this one, but you lose 24% on that one. So let's invest that. You're like, get out of my office.

[Grant Cardone]

Exactly.

[Chris Cuomo]

Our politics, we do not treat. Treat with that sense of pride in what it can be. But that's because the parties benefit from dragging us down. That's their currency. That's their.

[Grant Cardone]

You think both parties. Oh, yeah. Benefit from that?

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, yeah.

[Grant Cardone]

All day. Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

Now, the Democrats made a fundamental.

[Grant Cardone]

You know much more about politics than I do. I have. I have no idea how complicated.

[Chris Cuomo]

I think that the problem is thinking it's complicated. It's real simple. It's all Occam's razor. It's all.

[Grant Cardone]

What is Occam's race?

[Chris Cuomo]

Straight line analysis of the. The most. The best solution will often be the most obvious, direct, fastest way. And in politics, it's okay. It's me versus Cardone in this election. I got a problem. This guy's got a lot of things going for him. I have to make him lose. I'm not going to beat him. It is too hard. It's too low percentage. What do we have on him? First thing I do is invest in people that can tell me, nasty, what's wrong with Cardone? Here's the people, here's what it is. That's all I'm talking about. And you're like, wait a minute. I thought we were trying to decide who's Going to build the park.

[Grant Cardone]

Right, Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right, kids. Yeah. But it can't be you, right? Why? Why not? Because. Yeah, you.

[Grant Cardone]

I heard you showed the nipple on TV one night.

[Chris Cuomo]

I heard you did that.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

And that's the easiest way. That's the. Especially in a binary system. That's why I have such a problem with the party system. If it's just you and them, what direction is it gonna go? Us lifting each other up? No, it's a battle to the bottom. And the Democrats made the mistake of playing Trump's game, which is grievance. Trump was the head of a grievance movement. Right. And as the head of a grievance movement, if you get into the witch's worst, you lose. Because he was coming into it with people wanting to disrupt everything she represents, not her race or her gender necessarily. Right. Racism, sexism, that's a real thing. But this election, overall was. Who's more pissed? His side's more pissed. Now, I didn't know his side was a majority of the country. Yeah, I thought he. I thought it was his race to lose, but I did not think he'd win the popular vote.

[Grant Cardone]

And she was a terrible option.

[Chris Cuomo]

She was put in a bad position. I had a guy today say she should have declined to run. She should have known that she was going to be a bad candidate.

[Grant Cardone]

Didn't everybody else around her, though? Isn't that how she got Timmy?

[Chris Cuomo]

But walls. Yeah, well, they always try to balance tickets.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah, that was like. That was.

[Chris Cuomo]

You think she should have picked Shapiro?

[Grant Cardone]

Anybody? I don't think anybody. I don't think she did the picking. I think somebody said, I'll do it. I don't think she had a pick. I don't think anybody wanted to roll with her. Like, if I look at her as a human. As human talent. Okay? And I'm like, okay, do I want her to run my company? Do I want her to communicate to my investors? Do I want her to sell my guys on being motivated? None of that. None of that. Like, not. She's got nothing. She. She. I mean, maybe she's intelligent, but I. Where. Where is it? I didn't see it.

[Chris Cuomo]

I didn't gotta be in. Lawyer, prosecutor.

[Grant Cardone]

Why does she have to be?

[Chris Cuomo]

Because being an attorney general is not an easy job.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay.

[Chris Cuomo]

Maybe you got to be smart.

[Grant Cardone]

I don't know. I have no clue what she did as an attorney. She was in California, right?

[Chris Cuomo]

Yeah.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Okay.

[Chris Cuomo]

Be anti California.

[Grant Cardone]

I lived there for 25 years. They ruined the greatest resources. This country has ruined it. So you 14, 14.4% state income tax.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay. They're gonna have a two dollar gas tax by, by 2030. That means if gasoline is four bucks here, it's gonna be six bucks there. It's, it's insanity. How most expensive housing in the country. Five of the eight most expensive cities in the country are in California. Why they have the most housing? Because they keep, they regulate everything. The housing controls, eviction moratoriums. You can't raise rents. If you can't raise rents, the property values are going to explode. Rent is what actually keeps the property values down.

[Chris Cuomo]

Because it creates a competitive market.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Because if, and because I can, it.

[Chris Cuomo]

Creates a competitive exact is what I mean.

[Grant Cardone]

And then they fund all these programs. Have you been to San Diego lately?

[Chris Cuomo]

Oh, yes, I have.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah. Dude, that's the most beautiful city in the United States. Up until about five years ago. They ruined it because they, they let all the homeless shelters in into downtown by the baseball park. Guys are building 10 and 20 billion, putting 10 and 20 billion dollars worth of investments and then they, somebody said let homeless live down there, they just like overnight turned into shit.

[Chris Cuomo]

What would you do with the homeless?

[Grant Cardone]

Man, that's a complicated one right there. I tell you what, I'd worry about them though, before I'd worry about Ukraine, you know, that's 250 billion. That would have solved some problems.

[Chris Cuomo]

So what do you do with Russia going in there?

[Grant Cardone]

Well, I personally, yeah, I mean, nobody's gonna like what I'm gonna say.

[Chris Cuomo]

I'm here for your take. Thank you. I'm here not for you, to please people.

[Grant Cardone]

I'd be like, let him work it out, dude. If I, if I was, I mean, I wouldn't take on Putin. He doesn't want that. He doesn't want real, real estate. He wants his front yard. He wants his front door, his front wall protected. I think Joe Biden gave him permission to go in there. Oh, you do 100.

[Chris Cuomo]

Really?

[Grant Cardone]

How, how could he make a move without the approval of the, the sitting president?

[Chris Cuomo]

With, by doing it without the approval. No, the sitting president.

[Grant Cardone]

He went, sat there for three weeks. He sat on that border for three weeks and then moved. There's no way.

[Chris Cuomo]

But they were telling him not, you.

[Grant Cardone]

Know, more about politics.

[Chris Cuomo]

They were telling him not.

[Grant Cardone]

No, that's what they were telling us. They were saying to him.

[Chris Cuomo]

Yes, that's what they were saying to us. They were saying to him. Yeah, and then he went in. Yeah, and then we, you know, when.

[Grant Cardone]

I was single, man, women would say, you know, I'M not, I'm not sleeping with you. I'm not sleeping to you. I'm not sleeping you. I'm like, oh, yeah, for sure you're sleeping with me. You said it too many times now. Like, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Chris Cuomo]

Quite the charmer.

[Grant Cardone]

No, I'm just saying like, like, but.

[Chris Cuomo]

Why did we give Ukraine all these weapons then? If we wanted Russia to go in there, if we told them they should.

[Grant Cardone]

Go in, you know, here we look good. We haven't given them what they need to stop a war to be, to be an equal. And then BlackRock and Blackstone and Vanguard have already got their deal over there. That deal's done. That deal was inked. So they're going to rebuild it. There's going to be a victory. That has happened five or six or seven times in your life.

[Chris Cuomo]

So you believe that the Forever wars is a real, a real thing in America, that people want to see him stop, get us out of that.

[Grant Cardone]

I think, I think Americans as a majority right now are like, I don't want to go any. I don't want to do any more of this.

[Chris Cuomo]

Do you believe?

[Grant Cardone]

I want to. I want to, I want to invest that money here in America. Like the argument I have. I'm a generous person. I don't mind paying taxes, but I'm not getting anything back. Like, show me what I got. I don't mind helping anyone, right? Show me what I got. You can't. Nobody can show me what I'm getting. And if I, if you can't show me a receipt, that, that me paying federal taxes funds Ukraine. And that somehow made my family better, my community better, my customers better, my investors better, my real estate better, my future better. I just don't get it. I couldn't find Ukraine on a map before this happened.

[Chris Cuomo]

I mean, look, I think the president is a lot the same way, not just the map part that, that he does not believe. I remember him talking about the Iraq war. I remember him. Look, he may have vacillated a little bit, right, oh, long before, but he may have escalated a little bit. But he was definitely outspoken about saying we're not going to get the oil. Like, why are we going there right now? There's a whole other theory of it, but you got to meet the people where they are. And it does seem from this past election that people want it rethought. This audience is a bunch of critical thinkers. Independent breaks center.

[Grant Cardone]

This is going to be a lot of hate here.

[Chris Cuomo]

Breaks no, no. Breaks Pretty open Minded. I have a lot of different people. Sit where you are.

[Grant Cardone]

Okay.

[Chris Cuomo]

Breaks. I would say center left, but I have a lot more center right that have been enthusiastic about what I'm doing and center left and on are very suspicious of what I'm doing.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

So what would you say to this audience?

[Grant Cardone]

Well, I would say first of all, you're, what you're doing to me now, Chris is like much more welcoming. Definitely more. Makes me think more than the show you are doing.

[Chris Cuomo]

But you just didn't like cnn.

[Grant Cardone]

No, I mean, no, I, I grew up on cnn.

[Chris Cuomo]

I grew up, I was during the Trump administration. You didn't like cnn.

[Grant Cardone]

I don't like the talent on cnn. You know, I like you on there. But most, of, most of those people are not very talented.

[Chris Cuomo]

Talented, meaning.

[Grant Cardone]

I don't like Fox either. I'll just tell you, I hate all this. Like, there is no show. Like, show me. Like, even during the day, CNBC's got their little money show, but they're not teaching anybody anything. There's no aspiration there. Just, it's that, that percentage of the population at night, everybody's just getting hit with. They're wrong. They're wrong. Like what you're, what you're doing right now is neither one. It is a intellectual conversation. A consideration of like, can I, can I even work my critical thinking muscle. What if we trust did not collect $2 trillion in federal taxes? Oh, you can't do that. That's the first thing everybody says. Why not, dude? What if we just cut. Took three months and didn't collect a penny? I know the country's not going to stop. Like, why don't we have some exercises, go back to exercising possibility. That's why I love your show. So that's what I would tell them. Guys, just ask, you know, you know, ask questions. And definitely, number two, don't make people wrong without checking out their track record. Like, we should measure information based on who's given them the, the, the message.

[Chris Cuomo]

So Grant writes a letter to Trump in July. Okay. And he says I can be ready to roll out make America wealthy again. The goal would be to build the strongest, most financially independent middle class on the planet. I would donate my time and educational resources to assist your administration in creating millions of new millionaires across the country. And the itemized part of it is a scale of three phases. One, public awareness. What? The conversation we were having earlier about how you think you're supposed to do it versus how you could. Okay. The second is Trump would sell it.

[Grant Cardone]

Trump Would bring the public awareness.

[Chris Cuomo]

Right.

[Grant Cardone]

George Bush tried to do it. He was just a terrible pitch man. It Right.

[Chris Cuomo]

Well, Trump can certainly pitch.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

The curriculum, which is the how to. What do you have to do? And the third is the delivery. What's the delivery?

[Grant Cardone]

We didn't have it in 2002. We had TV channels only now you have Facebook, Instagram, Google, TikTok. You force your mandate. It would be a regulation. You mandate to these handful of companies. It's going to be first, it's going to sit at the top. It's going to be free. Netflix, Prime. All of you guys, you're going to deliver this to the middle class. Everybody's going to have a chance to click it and watch it. We don't need TV networks, doesn't need to cost the taxpayers money. Boom. You just use the vehicles that we already have in place. My phone. So I can deliver to kids. I can deliver 12 years old, 32 year olds, 62 year olds.

[Chris Cuomo]

I mean, I don't know why you couldn't use it. The networks, you got an easier reach. You got the fcc. Those are our airwaves.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

That they're using for their signals. You know, you have a different audience. It's an older audience. Look, I think it's a great idea. I think anything that empowers people and gives them a chance to recognize opportunity is a win.

[Grant Cardone]

Yeah.

[Chris Cuomo]

When, when people define the American dream, I always believe it's the ability to succeed or fail on your own merits. I think one of the mistakes in our development, and it comes from a good place, I believe, which is we want to try to keep people from failing. And I think there's something loving about that. But there's also tough love and there's also, well, who's help? Who are you using to help those people? And is that fair? And what's the balance of equities? And I think that's a conversation that nobody likes having. Because if you say, well, you got to be more tough, love it. Well, now you sound harsh. Now you want people to lose then, right? You want, you want bad things? No, I don't want any bad things. Well, but they are going to happen your way. Well, they're going to happen anyway. And it's just going to happen to more people over more time because to hold up some, you're going to wind up dragging down all at some point. That's why a lot of schools like teaching to the top and then students find their place within that. You have different tracks of curriculum as a result. And you have different realities of One guy's gonna work in the toll booth.

[Grant Cardone]

Yep.

[Chris Cuomo]

And he's gonna do what he's gonna do and the other guy's gonna build the toll booth. You know, two different guys and there's just different levels of aspiration. You would build the toll booth and I would be in it. I don't think so, but that's how we work together. Grant Cardone.

[Grant Cardone]

Thank you.

[Chris Cuomo]

I appreciate the conversation.

[Grant Cardone]

Appreciate you.

[Chris Cuomo]

I look forward to continuing.

[Grant Cardone]

Thank you for the kombucha.

[Chris Cuomo]

The kombucha.

[Grant Cardone]

Kombucha.

[Chris Cuomo]

He's smart, he's successful, and he's good looking. Grant Cardone. Sure, there's controversy, but that's what happens when you try to do things differently and you try to say what you want, especially in a very unforgiving media environment. I hope you learned something from him. If you want more information, he's easy to find. And if you have comments or thoughts about what Grant Cardone thinks about what we should be doing, you and I, and what government should be doing and what Trump will be doing, let me know. And let's get after it. Thank you for subscribing and following. I'll see you on News Nation 8p Eastern every weekday night. You like the podcast? You don't like the ads. I love my advertisers, but I get it. Go to the substack and subscribe. Following does not get you the content, subscribing does. It's only five bucks a month. You get the podcast ad free. You get it first. You get exclusive content and interviews. And you're gonna get my Walk and Talk series, which is everything that I have learned about leading your best life, even if they don't work well for me because I don't do them the right way. But you can, and you'll get all the longevity and Long Covid information from my Long Covid doctor. And we use that money to help people pay for treatment when they can't. For Long Covid. All right, let's get after it.