Jeremy Corbell (2:40)

Yeah, I mean, so we're not wrong. This has been an institutionalized secret. There's been A legacy architecture that has protected the UFO truth from the American public. We all have high hopes. Whenever there's a change of the guard, we all have high hopes, and that's good. I think we should have optimism in America. I think we should fight for transparency and truth. That's the foundation of what we're about, I think, in America. But we're in a situation where it's possible. The institutionalized secrecy on this issue and others is so powerful that people just fall in line. I hope that's not the case, Chris. I hope, but I'm seeing signaling that it. That it might be.

Chris Cuomo (3:25)

So the second wave of pushback is. Nah, nah, nah, Jay, I got you. But not with Trump. Trump is anti Deep State. He's blowing things up, man. We're gonna learn about what happened to the Kennedys. We're gonna learn about Dr. King. We're gonna learn about what the government's been hiding. That's who this guy is. I know he was there before and didn't do any of that, but this time I believe he's going to. And he just said, there's nothing there, man. The FAA says it was just hobbyists and authorized missions and research.

Jeremy Corbell (3:56)

Yeah. So let's step back a second. You have probably followed in history a lot more than I have about how this occurs. When you get these promises of transparency, you put people in position, they say, we're going to crack open the books. We're going to tell the truth to the American public. And you've probably seen it more than me what occurs when the screws get tightened. And I'm not sure, maybe this UFO secret is so big that it is worth protecting the people in power. It's very sad if that's the route we're going down about the drones. Let's just look at this really logically, people. This is a big story because people are seeing them, credible people. We've actually tried to take some down. Let's not forget that this has been an ongoing situation over sensitive infrastructure in America, both at sea and also on land. The FAA did not authorize the city. 17 nights in a row where UFOs were buzzing Langley that they didn't authorize the untrackable drones that infiltrated three. It was more at least three US UK air bases for weeks. So these are not authorized FAA flights. The fact they come out and even say that they know we're not dumb. They just think if they say it enough that we're just going to buy into it. The UAP issue is Literally stopping some of our armed forces from deployment. That's what I reported on in 2019. So it's so nonsensical.

Chris Cuomo (5:35)

What does that mean, stopping them from deployment?

Jeremy Corbell (5:38)

So when we have restricted airspace and we have deployments going out in 2019 off the west coast, we had deployments going out. There were workups. And what happened was so many of these unidentifieds were doing these incredible maneuvers and they were doing things that were deemed dangerous. When those ships were getting ready to prepare in 100 mile radius, they actually were going to stall the deployment. And that's not something that is rare. That is something that I get reported to all the time. It's not public news. You don't see it on mainstream news, but it's happening. So I get these people calling me up who are individuals who are fighting the ships, and they bury it. They bury it because they want to go. They don't want to miss schedule. So it is a national security issue. Absolutely. These unidentified that outpace, outmaneuver, and outperform what we have. And it's not new. You have nuclear bases where. And this is historic fact, you don't got to believe me. This happened in Russia, this happened in the us this probably happened in China. We'll never find out about it. Where they turn on and off nuclear weapons. This is directly related to UAP incursions. So when I say they're stalling deployment, it's fucking up our overseas operations and our U.S. operations. So I don't know, man, I was really disappointed about that. Maybe you have some insight. When people say, we're gonna crack open the books, you're gonna learn about Kennedy, you're gonna learn about anything. We don't have been told about 9, 11, historically has this happened, Chris, when people make these big promises.

Chris Cuomo (7:14)

Yes, people always. People always. You're supposed to under promise over deliver, right? That's how you impress your boss. Now, we've reversed that in politics, right? You over promise and under deliver and then just say, yeah, but the other guy's worse, you know? And the only place it works is in politics. So we saw this specifically in the first Trump administration with JFK's assassination and Mike Pompeo, who was this head of the CIA. And what happened was when he went and talked to his guys, he was like, whoa, this is bad for my agency. This is embarrassing and kind of unclear. And if I release this stuff, then I gotta release this stuff, and if I release that stuff, then I gotta release this stuff, and then they're gonna know about this, and then I don't really want that. And that's not good for us in terms of how we do business. And when he was briefed that way, he went back to the President and he was like, hey, this is pretty simple. Do you want this to be good for you or bad for you? And Trump was like, I want this to be good for me. Well, then we're only gonna release this stuff and that's what it is. And let's move on. Okay. And it dovetails with what you need to listen for is what they don't mention. Okay. For example, she says FAA research, authorized hobbyists joining it, getting in on the action. Okay, okay. What about the big ones? Nothing. What about the big ones? Oh, those are all helicopters. No, they are not. Those are all fixed wing planes. No, they are not. How do you know? Cuomo? You don't know shit. Fair. But the pilots who were seeing them said, I know what a helicopter looks like. Oh, that guy's crazy. It's not one guy. So why don't you even mention those? Why didn't you just debunk those? Why didn't you say, oh, and those huge ones, those are. We know what those are. So what they don't say matters. Again with disclosure. John F. Kennedy. Okay, that's a no brainer. Bobby Kennedy. Okay, no brainer. Martin Luther King. I hope so. Yeah. Gotta see what's going on with that. Yeah. Hmm. What did he not mention that has been such a huge fancy of conspiracy theorists. Yes, but also people believing there's more there. Jeffrey Epstein.

Jeremy Corbell (9:37)

Right.

Chris Cuomo (9:38)

No mention of that getting opened up. I wonder why. So it goes to your point of what do they want to protect? Okay, so let's scratch that itch. If this is what all the people, my brothers and sisters in the medias make it, which is, are you this desperate to grow News Nation that you're bringing on Jeremy Corbell and talking about Martians? That's what you're doing now? If that's what it is, then why don't they just blow us out of the water and say, here's how stupid what you're asking me about, here's what we do, here's what we don't do, and here's why we're keeping this quiet. Because it's Iran, it's North Korea, it's Russia, it's China, and we just don't want them to know we know, but all this other stuff is bullshit. It's never happened. Why don't they say that?

Jeremy Corbell (10:26)

Yeah, so look, it's such Twilight Zone for me. So in my. If you were standing in my shoes. So I get calls from people that their job is to protect the critical infrastructure like power plants, nuclear sites. The employees will call me, I won't call them sources. They're not stepping over the line, but they're informing me as contacts. I've actually put that up the chain of command to other agencies because they both wanted to be connected. What I'm being told from credible people is that there are obviously we do send up drones, we do send up things. When things are. When there are incursions over nuclear bases, we do do that. But they have footage of absolutely non aerodynamic craft that are coming up out of the water and hovering and loitering over these infrastructure sites. So it's Twilight Zone to me because I know directly from the people there, people fighting ships, people over these nuclear bases, that we have these incursions that are UAP. They're UFOs. Our government has to know that. The people in power have to know that I've actually tried to facilitate for them to go get that footage that I know exists. I'm just a middleman making sure people communicate. That's the position I've been put in. So this is like Twilight Zone to me. I hope it's not true what you're saying. I hope it's not self preservation. I hope there's more transparency coming. But I myself have witnessed the shaping of the UAP narrative. The emerging UAP narrative that was in a CIA document I was exposed to, that is fact that there is an attempt to shape the narrative for personal benefit, maybe even for financial benefit. I hope the American public is finally told the truth. But I see your point, which is that historically the best way to predict how someone's going to act is to look at what happened in the past. And you're telling me that in the past, promises made, no transparency.

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And they told you that China's doing something on TikTok that absolutely messes with the users in a way that they could later leverage. Yeah, but you're not going to tell me. No. And you're going to violate the most freedom of speech in terms of degree and number that we've ever seen in our lives. And you're not going to tell us anything. Yes, because there is no First Amendment right to own a platform as a foreign entity, and that's what this is. Okay, but Skydance, or whatever it's called, ByteDance, whatever it's called, the ownership company is in China, but is not owned by ccp, according to the guy who was just at the inauguration. Yeah, but they control all Chinese corporations and they can get data from them, so it's what they could do. You just told me it's what you know they are doing. So if it is what they are doing, why won't you show it to me as proof? Oh, we can't. Security. Okay. And is this stuff that they're not doing on any other platform? Well, that's not what I was briefed on. Ah. So you may be shutting down a platform, importuning 170 million American users, abridging their rights and their choice of where they get to exercise speech, and you're not going to explain it at all. And you don't know if the same thing doesn't exist on the other platforms that just happened to be owned by Trump's buddy, and he may buy this one. This is the same discussion for me. Is that when did it happen that the government doesn't have to explain what it does to the rest of us in almost every case. That's why I court you as intensely as I do, because I believe that you are shedding light on this dynamic, not whether there's life out there. Man, I'd love to know that. I'd love to know that.

Jeremy Corbell (19:19)

Yeah, we all want to know that.

Chris Cuomo (19:20)

It's what fuckery is going on right here that I want to know about right in this time zone.

Jeremy Corbell (19:26)

It's funny, the UFO thing has become this touchstone for transparency from government. I've said a bunch of times this is going to be easy way or hard way. And you're starting to see that now. What I meant by that is we have this due process. We have this idea of transparency of representative government. If that is not done, people are going to find asymmetric techniques to come forward. Things that are just kind of from left field. And you're starting to see that we've been asking for first 10 whistleblowers. George Knapp and I will be bringing people forward after durational conversations of how do we do this the right way? That's what I tried to do in Congress. Tried to get the immaculate constellation stuff out through the right way on Congressional Record. It took months to get to that point. If we don't do this the easy way, we are going to do this the hard way. And the UFO thing is simply one way to identify this weakness that we have in America where the government believes and the government in total believes that they can hold information back about nature from the American public. So it is kind of like a bullet test of how we're going to proceed as a nation. I think this is a critical time. I'm not meaning to be dramatic, but I think we're in a crisis of journalism right now. I think that there's such an uncontrolled amount of information that is available to people, it's really hard to keep the lie going. And I see this pushback by the intelligence agencies where they're trying to shape the emerging UAP narrative. Exact quote. Because of the way that that can control our population with information flow. It's kind of like trying to put the genie back in the bottle. You've done been told UFOs are real. We have incursions. These are likely not from here, whatever that means. So maybe this is a. Was a litmus test or something like that. This is the way that we're going to learn if we are living in the America that we want to be living, that we want to build. So I don't know, man. This is a very unique time. I really do want to keep hope, but if it's not going to happen the easy way, you know, through the process of law, people are going to come forward. I can testify that to you. As I said in the past, they are coming forward.

Chris Cuomo (21:45)

They just get shit on like Barber and these guys. When they come forward. People find some reason. Look, this is not a new tactic. This happens in litigation all the time. You know, Jeremy Corbell comes out and says, look, I saw Chris Cuomo. He did this, this, and this. Jeremy, let me ask you, have you ever done any drugs? What does that have to do with anything? Well, you know, and. And they call it, you know, that's how you impugn somebody's character. That's how you impeach their character. And we see that happening now. Look, we have a competing dynamic also here, which is people profit off of bullshit in a way online that they didn't before. So now you have the first dynamic, which is people like you being punished for wanting to push disclosure, okay? And the powers that be, whether they're corporate, private, or public, don't want people to know. Institutions protect themselves, and they crush you, okay, that's bad. And then you have to force it and bring them down, okay? That's the story we know, and that's a hard one. Now, there's a competing one, which is in this digital universe. There are these people that make shit up all the time. And people like me with access to real platforms have spent years magnifying minority voices on the Internet as a cheap shortcut to vox populi. And instead of doing the hard work that you and I came up doing of. Well, we want to know what people think about this. We're going to have to go to the population that's affected, and we're going to have to keep asking. We're going to have to get the universe of ideas, and we're going to have. And all that rigor, and it's expensive, and it takes time. And now we just look at the tweets, and we have magnified minorities. And a lot of these guys are just profiteers. I know that they have nine green men hidden a room in Arizona, you know, Area 51. All of this mythology for profit. So now you got these boobs who deserve to be dismissed, and you have the dynamic of them trying to crush anyone who wants to change their rules. And you have us in the Middle. And that is a vice. Cause you got these guys not wanting you to drive it, Jeremy, because they're looking to get paid, man. And you're in the way of them getting paid because they're selling a fiction. And you got these guys, they don't want you there because they want you out of the way. And they want to do what they want to do and not have to tell anybody anything. That's a double fix.

Jeremy Corbell (24:22)

Yeah, man. You know, lies die on the vine, though. I've seen this. The character assassination when David Grush came forward, by the way, David Grush was telling you how it was, how it is. I verified with George Knapp. For a year. He was in the position. He said he did the jobs. He said he had the access, he said. And he said the quiet part out loud. That gave a sort of tacit permission for other people to come forward. That's what you're seeing now. Not. Not to believe everybody. You need to analyze everything. But when you're talking about the profiteering off of the kind of dismissive character assassination attempts. We saw that with David Grush when an intelligence agency leaked his PTSD files to a journalist who was a shill for the intelligence agencies. If people understand that this is the way that you start to cover up a truth that has been told, then they get wise to it, man. So I actually, I have optimism. I have optimism that despite that signal to noise issue and those blatant attempts to attack the characters of people trying to push for transparency and truth, that we don't gotta worry about it too much. They can say it over and over, loud and loud. Ultimately, the facts are the facts. So I don't know, maybe I'm.

Chris Cuomo (25:43)

I don't know where your confidence comes from. I don't know how you get past it. I mean, until one of these guys who runs these agencies wants to run for office and says, I wanna change the culture. See? And then here's why. It's the opportunism that keeps getting in the way of the real goal of transparency. So, for instance, Elon enters the picture, okay, oh, this guy's great. He should be a great advocate for the UAP stuff. The guy sends shit into space. This is like, great. You know what I mean? He's gonna be the guy. He never talks about this. He's at usaid. He's going after AIDS in South Africa. In one minute, he's trash in South Africa. The next minute, he's meeting with the president and talking about how, you know, they. They made sure. That misinformation isn't a problem. You're the one spreading it. So, like, he would be the great change agent, but now the guy gets a taste of what the power can do for you, and all of a sudden he's got his own agenda and he doesn't care about the UAP UFO thing anymore. You know, he used to always be commenting on posts like yours and be like, yeah, what about that? When are we going to find out? We're going to doge that shit and get it out. And now all of a sudden he's more interested in AIDS in Africa than and cutting the money for it. Then why isn't he running right at this issue? You know what I mean? You want to help the American people and get better governance? Why don't you let me know where these hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent? You know, not money for mosquito nets.

Jeremy Corbell (27:09)

Yeah, I don't know. I think he's always been a little bit odd about the UAP issue in that he would.

Chris Cuomo (27:16)

You could have just stopped at odd.

Jeremy Corbell (27:17)

Yeah, right. I mean, look, I don't know. I think that it has to come from us. Like, again, maybe I'm an eternal optimist. I've been pushing for so long just to get core truth out there about this. I see these little whispers that it's going to be good, that we're going to get to that next level of truth about this. Look, the fact of the matter is, again, if you were standing in my shoes, the fact of the matter is the UAP issue, it's real. We have craft of unknown origin. We've been trying to reverse engineer them. I believe this is now becoming about money. I see huge billionaires coming in, influencing politics, influencing the flow of information of whistleblowers. It's so obvious to me that there's a changing of the guard. When we had CIA shut down the transfer of a UFO from Lockheed Martin to the dia, the Defense Intelligence Agency. This is well documented. The head of the DIA UFO program came on my show, said, we have a ufo. We breached the whole of it. I don't know if he went as far as, say, I was inside of it, but he was inside of it. So we have an admission on one level, so we know it's true, but on the other end, we have this new guard coming in that I think they're going to profit financially from having whistleblowers come to them first, from shaping the emerging UAP narrative. I hate seeing the world that way, but if that is the way the world is then that's the world we got to work in. If we can crack the code on the UAP thing, just get ground truth on this, it's going to open up just an absolute flow of information in other areas. I'm not going to be cynical about it Chris. I'm going to keep an open mind. We'll keep people accountable. But I think that we have an opportunity still. We have to push. The public has to push.

Chris Cuomo (29:12)

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Jeremy Corbell (31:46)

About the UFOs? Yeah, yeah. Ground truth about UFOs. They've been here a long time. We don't know exactly where they're from, but we know that there's an advanced technology that we cannot duplicate, we cannot replicate. So they were created somewhere else by somebody else. There's an enormous amount of power and that is the reason why this was originally held back. The atomic program. Like you know, UFOs or sorry, you know about nuclear physics, but no one's giving you the recipe for to build a nuke. UFOs are kind of like that. That is a knowable thing. It's easy to say even my friend Bob Lazar, very controversial figure in the UFO world. But even when he was working on the program, he said, look, the American public should know it's true. We're not alone in the universe. Wherever these things are from, Core Truth should be known. You don't have to give people the recipe for the propulsion systems that can be weaponized. So what are five things that I think we can know? I think we could admit, like just like in the MK Ultra stuff, which is the historic fact, right? Manipulation by intelligence agen agencies on the American public. We should know the that was going on. We should be told that we've been trying our best to exploit these technologies, that they're not from here, that we're not alone in the universe, whatever that means, and that we've been doing our best. If we can tell people that Core Truth, then we can move forward. It's like an alcoholic. If you don't admit there's a problem, you're never going to be able to deal with it. We need to admit that the over classification and secrecy has stunted our growth as a nation and our growth as human beings.

Chris Cuomo (33:32)

See, and that's why two of those points fight each other, right? That the lack of transparency. You can't be doing your best, right? You can't be doing your best because you're doing it in secret. And again, if you're doing it in secret because you don't want the people you're doing it to to know. Here's my problem with that. It's the same problem I have when people say you just told the terrorists that the subways are vulnerable. They know, they know. Whatever I'm Reporting it's stuff that I found out that someone else found out about what the bad guys already know. So I'm reporting what they know. So you can beware of what can be done to you. The idea that, well, we can't be transparent because then the bad guys will know. They already know. Whoever sent it over here knows they sent it and that they, they didn't get it back. So they know you have it. And that's a bullshit defense mechanism. No one pun intended.

Jeremy Corbell (34:33)

That's a great point. That's a really great point. A lot of people say, you know, we can't tell our friends without telling our enemies. The thing is, you're absolutely, you're absolutely right. Like, we don't need these, like, so some people are trying to pretend that these drones over nuclear facilities were adversarial nations. The thing is, is that we have adversarial nations who have embedded thighs within those actual facilities. We don't need to hover with lights on with these extreme machines to look down on a base. That's a display of force, that's a display of power. So I think you hit a really important point there, which is that we absolutely, when we're reporting the news, we're informing people of something they should be aware of. This is not giving information to the enemy. It just isn't.

Chris Cuomo (35:21)

And look, I get why the military plays with that. I'll tell you when it worked best. Now people will say, what does this have to do with UFOs? It's all about how they handle being asked to discuss things that don't work to the advantage of the people in power. Okay? And I'm not saying anti government. I'm not anti government during the war in Iraq. That's how old I am. We're covering the war and people are dying. That's what happens. You did not get to see dead American soldiers.

Jeremy Corbell (35:56)

Right?

Chris Cuomo (35:57)

You did not really get full examination of yellow cake and unenriched uranium and all the other bullshit that Bush used to send us in to Iraq. And to this day his press secretary will be like, oh no, it was real Ari Fleischer. Because we never really got around to the straight up debunking why. Cuz it was bad for the people in power at the time. And they would say, you can't talk about that. You're gonna affect operational security on the ground. You're gonna hurt the fighting men and women because you're saying shit that it's gonna make people hate them. And you can't show the dead. Because the families haven't been told yet. And you're disrespecting the families. And I always thought, especially on the second one, huh? If it were my family member, God forbid, what would I want most? What I would want most is to know that my loved one had value and that their sacrifice was meaningful and was highlighted and remembered. I wouldn't want to hide the fact that they died in Iraq. I would want people to know that that's what just happened. And I'd want them to see it because look what just happened to us for you. And it always bothered me, but it worked, Jeremy. And that's what they are doing right now, is that one. I have nothing to tell you. I have nothing to tell you. Okay? Now, I know you have something to tell me, but I can't tell you that. Why? You're going to hurt everybody else. You're going to hurt America. You're going to compromise things that are supposed to matter to us. And for what? A scoop? Oh, all right. So there is stuff to know, but you think it's too important for us to know, so why don't you tell us that? No, I'm not gonna tell you that either. That's what we're dealing with here. And then they dismiss us with the Martian shit that, you know. And I say to people all the time, and I gotta tell you, it's lefties and righties, lefties and righties who believe that they have more credibility discussing whether Biden is an agent of Ukraine or whether Trump is a felony machine than talking about whether or not there's a transparency issue when it comes to this stuff. And I'm telling you, transparency is. If I could do one thing, wave a wand with government, it would be transparency. And I will never believe that the American people can't handle the truth. Never.

Jeremy Corbell (38:28)

Yeah, Clinton tried to bring this out. He did. Bill Clinton, at the time, he worked with John Podesta, Webster Hubble, first thing he did when he got into office was he asked, who killed John F. Kennedy? What's up with UFOs? And, man, he was shut down. Webster Hubble, if you look what happened to him. Absolutely shut down. So maybe these secrets, institutionally, they're so guarded, but let's play off the idea. You just are telling me, is there a benefit to our now elected president to tell the truth about what happened to Kennedy? Maybe there is, right? Maybe there is a benefit personally to kind of shine a light on what happened. We know Kennedy was killed in an organized fashion.

Chris Cuomo (39:13)

I don't know how you do it without forever tarnishing. Although, look, I don't know why Trump wouldn't want this again, Right? I don't know how you do it without making people realize that one of or more. One or more of our government agencies was either passive or active in the plot to kill a president.

Jeremy Corbell (39:36)

Right?

Chris Cuomo (39:37)

And I don't know how you do that. And don't have people never want to trust government again unless seeing how they're all dead now anyway, the people who are involved in this. Right? You say it and say we'll never let this happen again and we're going to change things. And now it works for you. No one wanted to tell you guys this all these years. I'm different. And if I'm different in a material way because I'm showing you, right, you only know what I show and I'm showing, then you'll trust me when I say I'm going to fix and they won't do it this way anymore. And here's the new safeguard that I'm putting in. That's what I don't get about it. It seems like it's a winning proposition, not a losing one, because they're all dead. Jeremy, it's not like you and I have to go to jail for this to come out.

Jeremy Corbell (40:22)

You know, you'd earn so much trust from the American public if you just came clean on some of our dirty secrets. Look, every nation is imperfect. The goal is to make it more perfect, to make it a better place foundationally that we're going to live in. So we use the UFO thing just as like a barometer for that, or I do, but, like, really what I'm trying to do is live in the world that I. I want to try to create the world that I want to live in, that that's what we should all be fighting for. We do have a special nation, we do have a special opportunity where we live. But we really need to come to terms with the secrets of the past and how we've harmed ourselves. So I got to remain optimistic, man. No matter. I'm like the guy that's on his back that's getting beat up. It's like, so I still got a chance, like with the UFO thing. It's constantly like that, man, but I do. We have to fight for this, man. We have to fight for truth on this ground. Truth.

Chris Cuomo (41:14)

Well, look, here's the beautiful thing about it, is that you just articulated two of the oldest ideas in faith. Two of the oldest ideas in faith, Christianity, the great. You know, he was a scientist and a Christian, but he was not a Christian scientist. He was a paleontologist. Teilhard de Chardin called it being a collaborator in creation. And his famous quote was, all that matters is dedication to something bigger than yourself. That's what we're talking about here, bedrock Christianity. The Jews have two different ideas that, of course, the Christians borrowed because Judaism came first. Tikkun olam and tzedakah. Tikkun olam is to repair the universe, which is. That's why we're here. Man is it's imperfect. God left it that way, and that's the work of man. And Tzedakah is to have a spirit of interdependence and interconnectedness with one another that either everybody gets there or nobody does. So these are some of the oldest ideas. And the irony. The irony is that we're living in a country where people will put that little Star David on, not so commonly them, but the crucifix. Absolutely commonly. And then act in ways that are complete anathema with their own dogma, which is they're going to shit on us because you want transparency. And we're just trying to make this a better place. And all they're playing to is advantage of one side or the other. And even when it works in their favor, they'll shift like that to support the side. So Trump says, what Biden told you about the drones was bullshit. I know they know more. I'll tell you. He then puts out the same fucking thing, says, I gave you more. And they believe it. And they say because they want to just. They just want to be about their side, not about getting things better. They just wanted advantage. And that's what pisses me off, is that now Trumpers say, see, he did it on the drones. He did what on the drones? What do I know that I didn't know before?

Jeremy Corbell (43:11)

Yeah, yeah. It was an absolute whitewash. It was absolutely fucking ridiculous. But, you know, look, man, I think that if we continue, like, I don't know what you think about these new whistleblowers coming forward. We've been asking for that. Whether or not it's correct information or you trust it, that that's great, that's up to you. But you notice that people are coming forward. I just think once we notice, like, on a deep level, once we notice that we have influence, like every viewer right now watching your show. My mom loves your show. She's like, ah, that guy tells it like it is. You know, all those people that are watching your show. All those people viewing in right now have such a much deeper power than they think to influence the way that this goes. Transparency in government and just the next like four years of our lives. I think if we, if we don't take the power away from ourselves and we say we're going to push, we're going to push for what's right, we are stronger than the representatives who might be betraying us. So I don't know again, I'm an eternal optimist, dude. I think that we can get there, but we need to keep pushing.

Chris Cuomo (44:16)

What comes next.

Jeremy Corbell (44:19)

For me or for the UFO thing?

Chris Cuomo (44:21)

Both.

Jeremy Corbell (44:23)

You know, for me, I'm kind of recalibrating right now. I need to decide what is the most influential thing I can do to bring this topic into pop culture, get the conversation going and force representative government to represent us. So I don't know, I always get tricks up my sleeve. We'll see what happens. But I think with the UFO thing we're going to have people coming forward telling you about how they participated in this cover up or how they got exposed to the fact that this has been covered up. And I think that that's what's next is we have to become good listeners and we need to hear what people have to say. Then we need to dissect it, we need to judge it and we need to force more information on this coming out. It's gonna be a marathon. This is not gonna be a sprint, it's gonna be a marathon. Unless we get really lucky to. It's the self benefit of this administration to tell us the honest truth about any of these topics. We just said, I don't know, we gotta fight, man.

Chris Cuomo (45:21)

So do you think Trump does it for us or Trump has it done to him and that's how it comes out?

Jeremy Corbell (45:33)

Neither. It's going to come from us, it's going to come from whistleblowers coming forward, breaking from the fold, taking the risk, ruining the careers, telling you how it is. The second people come on camera with me and George, they're done, man. They're not going back into government and they know that. But that's how it's going to be done. It's going to be the hard way, man. People are going to leak videos, people are going to leak memos, people are going to come forward by face, tell you how it is, what they were involved in. That's the way forward. It just is. And as a reporter, I'm going to report on it. That is my constitutional Right for public good, to absorb information, put it out to the public. I'm going to do my best. Despite people trying to stop good reporting these days, like agencies.

Chris Cuomo (46:17)

Well, the pushback is clear. What we can do about it remains to be seen. And I am here for it. So, as they say, let's get after it. Jeremy Corbell, thank you very much. Congratulations on the TMZ second season. The series is compelling and it deserves all the buzz it's getting. And you are always welcome anywhere I am. And I appreciate you and I wish you well going forward.

Jeremy Corbell (46:44)

You too, man. Thank you so much for having me, Chris.

Chris Cuomo (46:51)

Jeremy Corbell, as they would say, is a real one. The question is, can he get it done? He's right in saying, well, it's not going to be about me. It's not going to be about them. It's going to be about us. It's about we and not how Kash Patel means it, that we somehow exist. This doesn't include you. We means you and me doing what we can to push those in power to be held to account, to tell us what they know. Not everything. We get national security, but it can't be like it is today. It can't be with us seeing shit in the sky that isn't just a little drone, that isn't a helicopter, that isn't a plane that somebody is flying around sensitive areas looking at us. And someone needs to be looking at them. Thank you very much for subscribing and following. Great to have you here on the Chris Cuomo Project. Great to have you at News Nation every weekday night at 8p and 11p. That is where we expose the game and we push for power to be tested. All right. You like the podcast, but not the ads? Subscribe on my substack. Only five bucks a month, 50 bucks a year. You get it ad free and you get my whole wellness journey and you get my doctor's information and the stuff about my long Covid and what I'm doing to get in shape and what I'm eating and what I'm taking and how I'm moving and what's working and what isn't and all the different things I've learned on my philosophical walk and talks that could work for you, even if they're not working for me because I'm not doing them the right way. And if you want to wear your independence, awesome. Buy the free agent gear and let people see you're not part of some party lemming legion. You're about critical thinking. And getting to the bottom of what matters. So let's get after.