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Episode: What Minnesota Is Exposing About Immigration and Power
Host: Chris Cuomo
Date: February 1, 2026
Guests: Congressman Mike Lawler, Chuck Rocha
Theme: The intersection of immigration policy, political rhetoric, power struggles, and how these dynamics are playing out in Minnesota—with broader implications for American politics, affordability, and party identity.

Episode Overview

This episode features a candid, sometimes feisty discussion on the fallout from recent immigration-related protests and enforcement actions in Minnesota, how both parties leverage immigration as a wedge issue, and what the response reveals about American power structures and party politics. Chris Cuomo convenes Congressman Mike Lawler for the Republican view and political strategist Chuck Rocha for the Democratic/progressive perspective. The conversation weaves together law enforcement, sanctuary city policies, political communication, public anger over affordability, and the drift of voters away from traditional party labels. Listener calls punctuate the show, providing real-world sentiment.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Minnesota Crisis: Sanctuary Cities, ICE, and Federal-State Tensions

• Background: Recent events in Minnesota, including deadly confrontations during federal immigration raids, have triggered national debate over sanctuary policies and federal overreach.
• Cuomo’s Question: Should the President accommodate Minnesota’s request for prison/jail access and new cooperation protocols? (00:18)
• Lawler’s Position:
  • "There should have been greater cooperation between federal, state, and local officials. This has been one of my critiques of sanctuary city policies for years…you're actually endangering the public by not allowing law enforcement to fully cooperate with each other." (00:51)
  • Lawler says the late move to coordination is "long overdue" and essential for crowd control and preventing unnecessary escalations.

2. Rhetoric, Overreach, and Political Division

• Cuomo argues that aggressive federal action and harsh rhetoric (“own the libs,” “complete immunity”) are inflaming a longstanding and constitutionally tested issue, not solving it. (02:00)
• Lawler admits: "Criticism of the rhetoric has been fair…calling American citizens domestic terrorists…is wrong. Equally as wrong as calling ICE agents the Gestapo." (03:50)
• Both sides agree the tone has gotten too combative, but Lawler blames “abdication” by local officials for enabling the debacle.

3. Has the President Shifted Course?

• Cuomo presses: Why cooperate now?
• Lawler: "The President saw that this is not good...no one should be shot dead, you know, in that circumstance." (05:34)
• Lawler links the President's move to public outcry after the death, emphasizing a shared consensus about securing the border, deporting the “worst of the worst,” and finding a legal path for longtime undocumented residents. (05:34–06:28)

4. Broken Immigration Politics & Legislative Stalemate

• Both agree: The immigration system is broken, unaddressed since the 1980s.
• Lawler laments: "Not a Democrat solution, not a Republican solution, but an American solution...the American people don't have trust in the system." (06:28)
• On DACA/“Dreamers”: Cuomo doubts the GOP will act. Lawler recalls the failed 2018 Dreamers-border wall trade and says perfectionism defeated a workable deal. (09:40–10:08)
• Cuomo: "It was a little bit more complicated than just one for one, but you're right that that deal would be better than where we wound up. No question about it." (10:08)

5. Why Immigration Still “Works” Politically

• Cuomo argues that both parties use immigration as a distraction: “This is an easier fight for both sides, but certainly for the administration, than taking on Big Pharma, the banks ... and the healthcare companies.” (11:43)
• Lawler disagrees, asserting the system was “overwhelmed” and that focusing on immigration wasn’t a dodge.

6. Affordability and the “Real” Power Structures

• Cuomo criticizes Democratic inertia on big cost-of-living issues, saying, “The banks are the weakest of the troika ... who are really in control of this society.”
• Lawler, who serves on financial services, pushes back but acknowledges government has to engage these issues. (15:04)
• Notable exchange on credit card rates:
  • Cuomo: "They make 6x on credit cards what they make on any other asset class that they have." (15:29)
  • Lawler: “The credit markets have exploded … but a lot of Americans have been relying on it.” (16:33)

7. Minnesota's Somali Fraud Scandal and Racialized Narratives

• Chuck Rocha joins, challenging right-wing focus on Minnesota’s Somali community, pointing out that fraud is bipartisan: “There is fraud in red and blue states...if you adjust for population in equal amounts.” (21:31)
• Rocha and Cuomo both denounce federal raids as performative, aimed more at optics than real investigation.

8. Protests, Political Manipulation, and the Search for Solutions

• Are protests organic or orchestrated? Cuomo asks Rocha.
  • Rocha: “I'm a product of the left...ain't nobody asked me or paid me to go to Minnesota. But what they have done is ... go to a blue state that's had Democratic control ... because they want to poke at this progressive movement…” (25:49)
• Rocha blasts overreach by both sides: “...Because of the overreach, he's lost the high ground ... If you go in there and you do a violent crime...Minnesota will work with federal government ... but with a speeding ticket, civil offense, they won’t.” (27:26)

9. 2026 Politics: Affordability, Corruption, and a Disenchanted Electorate

• Rocha advises Democrats to pivot to affordability and perceptions of corruption: “Affordability is still number one, even with what's happening in Minnesota. But number two, ironically, is ... this whole thing looks a little corrupt.” (29:57)
• Cuomo pushes on party fatigue; Rocha underscores generational shift: "More young people today are registering as no party preference or independents ever in the history of America." (32:01)

10. Ilhan Omar, Media Caricatures, and Real Voter Priorities

• Rocha: “There are caricatures that we let Fox News or MSNBC make on both sides... Folks are just trying to figure out how to make it. That’s why you keep going on your show back to this affordability piece.” (33:43)

11. Caller Reactions: Disillusionment and Reform

• Florida caller: "You have to choose one side, but they give the name Republican and Democrats. So we out here in the field can fight with each other ... Meanwhile, they're stealing our money." (38:23)
• Texas caller: Both parties failing Americans; Democrats “are more for the special interest, too...all this LGBT stuff.... Don’t try to push it in my face.” (40:27)
• Cuomo rebuts: "Don’t take the bait and think that because somebody is gay or trans that they're putting it on you. They have every right to celebrate themselves the same way you do." (41:18-43:22)

Notable Quotes

• On political rhetoric:
  • Chris Cuomo: “That’s not competent rhetoric for a presidential administration. ... it can’t be all own the libs all the time because look what happened in Minnesota.” (02:00)
• On law enforcement responsibility:
  • Mike Lawler: “When you abdicate that responsibility … in my opinion, that helps create this dynamic. And it was foolish.” (04:13)
• On policy paralysis:
  • Lawler: “We allowed this to devolve into what we are seeing today. The American people don’t have trust in the system.” (06:28)
  • Cuomo: “The problem works better for the two sides than working on it to solve it.” (07:51)
• On finding compromise:
  • Lawler: “Oftentimes when you’re in these moments, you know, people let perfect be the enemy of the good.” (11:05)
• On banks and cost of living:
  • Cuomo: “They make 6x on credit cards what they make on any other asset class ... they’re just beneficiaries of a problem that has to be addressed.” (15:29)
• On protests and politics:
  • Chuck Rocha: “Donald Trump is astute politically ... you go to a blue state ... you start bringing in these tough guys again ... he wants the visuals of dumb protesters on the left.” (25:49)
• On generational change:
  • Rocha: "Unless the parties show up and talk to [young people] about their concerns … we could see neither party being likable for folks." (32:01)
• On wedge issues:
  • Cuomo: “Don’t take the bait and think that because somebody is gay or trans that they're putting it on you. ... stick to the law, stick to right and wrong, and let the law lead.” (43:22)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Minnesota, Sanctuary Cities, and Law Enforcement: 00:18–04:15
• Rhetoric and Political Blame: 02:00, 03:50
• Broken Immigration System and Reform Attempts: 06:28–11:26
• Affordability and Big Power: 11:43–16:33
• Financial System Critique: 15:04–16:33
• Minnesota Fraud, Race, and Protest: 21:02–25:49
• Sanctuary Cities, Protest Dynamics: 25:23–28:23
• 2026 Party Politics and Midterm Playbooks: 28:31–32:01
• Party Fatigue, Generational Registration Trends: 32:01–33:37
• Voter Priorities, Ilhan Omar, and Cultural Divisions: 33:37–34:56
• Callers on Party Frustration & LGBT Issues: 38:23–43:22

Memorable Moments

• Lawler and Cuomo’s mutual frustration at missed legislative compromise on immigration (“letting perfect be the enemy of the good”)
• Chuck Rocha’s “country boy” analogy for political sweet talk versus difficult but necessary solutions (35:58)
• Cuomo’s passionate explanation of why police aren’t trained to “shoot the tires,” and the real-world difficulty of law enforcement split-second decisions (38:41)
• Strong pushback against racialized narratives about Minnesota’s Somali community
• Consistent refrain from both Cuomo and Rocha: Most Americans care more about affordability than abstract partisan fights

Tone and Language

• Conversational, frank, and unvarnished—Chris Cuomo leads with a mix of skepticism, humor, and urgency.
• Lawler is earnest but pragmatic, reflecting a moderate Republican willingness to discuss compromise.
• Rocha brings a gritty, grassroots Democratic perspective, critical of both right and left overreach and focused on working-class priorities.
• Callers represent a disenchanted, fed-up public—rarely partisan, more focused on day-to-day struggles and the disconnect between political elites and real life.

Conclusion

This episode provides a raw, reality-based look at how the debate over immigration in Minnesota reveals much deeper rifts in American politics and governance—from the failure to cooperate on law enforcement, to the manipulation of hot-button issues, to the public’s growing exhaustion with both parties. It’s a call for pragmatic action on affordability and de-escalation of manufactured culture wars. The consensus: Real solutions and economic changes are desperately overdue.