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Chris Cuomo
Iron Mike Tyson and Brady Cobb are getting together for what Mike calls the fight of his life. What is it and why does it matter to you? I'm Chris Cuomo. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. Mike Tyson. Okay. I've been a fanboy of his as a fighter. Sure, he's controversial. He's got his own lives of up and downs. And there's a redemption story in there if you want to see it. But what I'm interested now is not talking about him, but talking about what he believes made the biggest difference in his own life. Cannabis and how it's been used as a medicine, not a drug, not to be abused, but used medicinally and what it's meant for him in terms of his personal disposition, his health, and now his commitment to the cause of getting rid of all of this federal heat that is on cannabis with Brady Cobb. Brady Cobb is famous, legendary in the space of cannabis culture. His father was this outlaw who was caught for trafficking. And Brady got. And now he's trying to mainstream it. And the big obstacle is states allow it, the feds don't. And that screws with the ability to run the business. It screws with the ability for it to be legal and safe. And they are all about it. And I wanted to talk to Iron Mike and Brady about what they're trying to do and why it matters to you. All right, gentlemen, thank you for taking the opportunity. I appreciate it.
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Mike Tyson
Hey, it's my pleasure.
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Brady Cobb
Thank you for having us.
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Chris Cuomo
Mike, let me start with you before I fanboy a little bit. Why is this so important to you? You've put a lot of energy into this. You've put a lot of study into this. When I hear you explain cannabis and social policy, I feel like you go deeper than you do on a lot of other things that people ask you about. Why. Why does it matter to you so much?
- [01:59]
Mike Tyson
Because you have to look at the laws. If we have one guy, what was, well, dimangilo that the president just pardoned? He was doing, I think, 55 years for a nonviolent marijuana charge. And that's what we really want, the president to give us clemency for nonviolent marijuana users. Scheduling from level three to one and from one to three, and also making sure we have safe banking.
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Chris Cuomo
And what does that mean, safe banking?
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Mike Tyson
That they're not discriminatory towards anybody. Because new you, if you're in the cannabis business, you can't have. You can't have any relations with the banking system.
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Brady Cobb
It's actually a pretty big problem. I Mean, as an operator, I can tell you we can't bank. And you have, you have over 400,000 people in the United States that are employees in the cannabis industry. Most can't qualify for mortgages because half a million, excuse me, can't qualify for mortgages because they have a W2 from a legal state, legal cannabis business. Most of them are. You know, all these hearings you see in Congress right now and the President mulling a potential executive order on debanking that's been real in cannabis from day one. For a plant that has been found to have medical uses in a 250 page health and human services report that was, you know, issued last year. And I can just tell you, for me, one of the reasons I was excited to team up with Mike is he's one of the few people that actually believes in the plant. And the plant has changed his life. And look, it's. We're not saying we want weed on every corner. We want it to be tested, we want it to be age gated. We want Americans to have the freedom to choose it as opposed to opiates, pills, or even alcohol, which the HHS report actually found was more dangerous than cannabis. And why I believed and why I wanted to partner with Mike on this initiative and be alongside Weldon and a lot of other people is Mike actually believes in the plant. He'll tell you himself how it's changed his life. That to me, that authenticity is the reason I got into the industry. My father obviously went to prison for cannabis. So for me, it was the reason I jumped in. And I'm a big believer in the plant. I've been using it for far longer than my mom would probably want me to say on tv, but that is what it is. And that's why I was, that's why I was interested in partnering with Mike. That's why I initially invested in Mike's company when he started Tyson 2.0. Is. A lot of celebrities have come and gone, not a lot of them actually embrace the plant.
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Chris Cuomo
Mike, what does that mean? It changed your life.
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Mike Tyson
Hey, listen, of course I started fighting professionally in 1985, and I used to smoke as an amateur. I smoked weed all the time. But as a professional, I could no longer smoke. And I was going insane. I was just going insane. So my whole career, I didn't smoke. In course, you see all the trouble I got into. And then I stopped smoking. I stopped drinking, I stopped doing everything. Matter of fact, I stopped smoking cigarettes. But I never started smoking weed. I started smoking weed back in probably 2004, I started smoking again.
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Chris Cuomo
And what did it do for you?
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Mike Tyson
Hey, it saved my life. I was a cokehead, alcoholic. I threw my life away. I didn't have a dime to my name, and I started smoking weed. And eventually I started working out. Little. A little. I started walking. I lost 100 pounds. I felt good. I said, I'm a fight exhibition. I fought Roy Jones, and then next thing you know, I've been living my life. And next day. And then I fought this other fight. You know, I would never have done that if I wasn't using cannabis. I was just never done. I would have been drunk and fat. I lost 100 pounds.
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Chris Cuomo
Mike, did the cannabis allow you to give Paul a pass in that fight? Because I saw, like, six different opportunities where you could have knocked him the fuck out and didn't.
- [05:37]
Mike Tyson
Hey, listen, I love that guy, man. Nobody needs you hurt. Everybody's beautiful. Everyone loves each other.
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Chris Cuomo
If I'm gonna have you love me, anywhere in the ring would be where I want it to happen. All right, so let's. So Mike Tyson says, look, this made a difference for me. You're up against two, okay? One of them is. Well, both of them are stigma, right? So at the federal level, they will not decriminalize this because it makes a politician look weak on crime. How do you deal with that? I'll get a response from both of you. Brady, I'll start with you.
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Brady Cobb
Yeah. And I've been lobbying. I started lobbying DC on cannabis right around 2014, and we focused in on Republicans. And let me tell you, it was cold meetings. You know, it's hard to get a meeting with the person that made coffee in the office, which is, you know, much less the actual member. But we've seen it changed, because as these industries have gone from kind of west coast, more liberal states that had them in California, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, and now you see key states in battlegrounds in Electoral College votes in Michigan, in Florida, and even some of the Deep south states now go. And people are paying attention, understanding this is not the same marijuana industry that everybody was worried about. I mean, there's been over 500,000 arrests for marijuana. That's more than most violent crime combined. That doesn't make a lot of sense for cannabis. So at the end of the day, the stigma that we have to fight is these people are working in this industry legally. By the way, the jobs, the cannabis jobs, over 500,000 that Mike mentioned aren't. Most of those aren't counted on the weekly jobs report. So there'd be a nice little boost in the weekly jobs report if those are ever actually counted because it's still a Schedule 1 drug to beat the stigma. The reality is you have to show people that this is just like making a choice to drink alcohol or to take a prescription drug that your physician refers you same thing. It's not for everybody, but it should be something that's found to be non addictive. And it's just a matter of continually having that messaging come out. And we're very lucky to have Mike Tyson and everybody else that signed onto that letter that are now willing to put their name in print to say they support it too. Five years ago, we didn't have that.
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Chris Cuomo
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Mike Tyson
Nothing.
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Brady Cobb
Nothing.
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Chris Cuomo
And marijuana is just not the same thing. I can't. I mean, look, Mike, you know, you and I, you know, you were a. You were somebody I've always been a fanboy of my father, Mario Cuomo was friends with Cus d' Amato from anybody.
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Mike Tyson
I met your father.
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Chris Cuomo
Yes. And my father took me to the Catskills to watch you training before when you were training up with Cus. And I remember watching you, we watched your first 16 fights, which, you know, in some total, I think was about three and a half minutes. But I've been a big fan for a long time and I think it's really honest of you to talk about your struggles and what's worked and what hasn't. And I feel like marijuana, hemp derived cannabinoids, whatever, the whole class of it gets lumped in with, with bad drugs. And now they say, well, it's not your grandfather's weed. It's so strong now, it's a gateway drug. What do you say to that, Mike?
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Mike Tyson
Well, listen, I believe that's just, that's fable stuff, man. Nothing's the gateway drug but alcohol, okay? That's the gateway to hell, you know, and the statistics prove that as well. So that's what I say. I think this is what I see. I see cannabis coming. It starts as a little ball, but it starts from mountain Olympics and when it comes down, it's just going to crush everybody. We're going to have to give into it real quick.
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Brady Cobb
That I think that Mike said, that's really interesting to me is, and I agree with you, my life has changed. I mean, I've been a big fan of cannabis, but obviously went to college and had a good time drinking. And I can just tell you, even for my wife who's a yoga instructor who never really liked cannabis, still it went legal. She's now changed her life and now is using cannabis a lot more. She likes the gummies and it's replaced that two glasses of wine a couple nights a week with a half a gummy and she feels a million times better. And I think if you look at the stats coming out of the recent polling, you got 93% of Americans favor cannabis legalization. So there's this big lag between public sentiment and ultimately what the politicians are doing, which I think presents an opportunity for the president who has been vocal on this issue, to steal an issue from Democrats potentially that didn't follow through during Biden's term and actually seize upon an issue that has, you know, wild public support. There's a lot of public support because I think you also got to look at alcohol sales. Alcohol sales have declined substantially year over year as cannabis mark as cannabis kind of comes in and now you see mushrooms and other items that are coming in and getting attention as well. So for me, it's a lifestyle choice and that's a choice that we should be able to make without the stigma, to your point. And cannabis is next to cocaine, heroin, LSD on scheduling, fentanyl is schedule two, marijuana is schedule one. Make that make sense.
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Mike Tyson
Everything moving now, there's only a level two, right?
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Chris Cuomo
So Mike, what are you seeing in terms of you Know, people love talking to you. They love the redemption story of what you've done with your own life. Are you getting any traction on this? Do lawmakers want to stand next to you on this, or did they take a pass even though they'd love to be with Mike?
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Mike Tyson
Yes. I spoke with people about this, and eventually I'm going to speak with the administration, and I spoke with the dea. They're working with me on this, and I'm just happy to be involved with the safety part of cannabis. And please, I hate the word. When they use drug, that's the stigma they had. It's not a drug. You know, it's medicine.
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Chris Cuomo
Law enforcement, Mike, you must do well with them, because nobody feels that this is a bigger waste of time than men and women in law enforcement having to make these cases on weed when they know there's so much more important stuff out there for them. They've been saying this forever.
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Mike Tyson
No, but still, there's bad weed coming from Mexico and China that's killing people, and we have to be on top of that. That's the most important strategy at the moment. Safe cannabis.
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Chris Cuomo
Fair point, Mike. But, Brady, I mean, if you're worried about tainted drugs, weed is gonna be low on your list of concerns, right? I mean, fentanyl can't be put in marijuana. Just for you people at home to understand this. Why? Because of the flashpoint and temperature of fire. If you're going to light a joint, okay, if it were to have fentanyl in it, fentanyl burns up and is dissipated at a much lower temperature than what is actually flame. So they don't put fentanyl in weed the way they do in coke or in oxies or in other things that are going to be taken.
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Brady Cobb
Even Adderall now.
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Chris Cuomo
Adderall, yeah, because it's so cheap.
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Mike Tyson
And so I'm being educated. I'm so happy to know this stuff.
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Chris Cuomo
But, I mean, that's why. I mean, I'm not saying that people can't fuck with, you know, marijuana in a tincture or, you know, in some other form, but just in terms of cost effectiveness. The reason they step on their drugs with fentanyl is that it's so strong and it's so cheap and it's so easy to make, but it's not smoked. And if you do try to smoke it, it burns up, you know, much before the marijuana would. So that's why I can't think of any cases that have been legitimate, Brady, where people found laced marijuana with fentanyl that had Killed people?
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Brady Cobb
No. And I think to your point on law enforcement, because, you know, we partner with a lot of different law enforcement agencies through the years as we've done this work to try to reform it. They don't want to go prosecute marijuana. I mean, could you imagine sitting in prison and, or having a conviction on your record for cannabis and then there's legal dispensaries and in some cases with this hemp derived cannabinoids, it's being sold at your local gas station down the street. It'd be a pretty frustrating moment to have to live through that. And I think, you know, you talk about, Mike talked about Weldon Angelos, who's an amazing story that, you know, I partnered with Weldon years ago. Mike's partnered with Weldon. He was convicted small possession, ended up getting 30 years. Conservative Senator Mike Lee led the charge to help get him out. And Donald Trump actually pardoned him during his first term. And we're currently working on clemency cases because there's still people sitting in jail for weed. And then that to me is law enforcement today. Most, you know, well intentioned law enforcement that's read up on it understand that cannabis has been ranked by the BEA as being less addictive than aspirin. So the whole addictiveness argument is kind of no thanks. It's found to be, you know, to your point, it's a, it's a choice for a wellness based product to actually supplement it with instead of using alcohol or other things. So law enforcement's not ripe to go do this, but we got to change the scheduling. President Biden, to his credit, started it. We got to finish it.
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Chris Cuomo
Why does hemp get a pass a.
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Brady Cobb
Loophole in the 2018 farm bill? So when a 2018 farm bill went through to, to allow hemp as a, as a, as a US Agricultural crop in a meaningful way, they didn't make some key clarifications. And I was involved in that process and we were sounding alarms back then that it could potentially allow for the proliferation of hemp derived cannabinoids. And one of them is a thca. So THCA is the same as thc. It just THCA converts to THC when it's combusted. So they're selling these THCA cannabinoids and actually selling thca, which is, it's weed. What we favor is one plant, one set of regulations. That's what needs to happen right now. There's a giant loophole in the farm bill that there's actually, it's Bill went through the House, it passed its first committee, it's going to the House floor to get, to try to eliminate a lot of this. And look, total bans don't work either. That just happened in Texas and Governor Abbott vetoed it. So we don't need a total ban. We need one set of rules for the entire industry to build a true. I mean, this industry is 35, $40 billion in America right now. It's going to go, it's going to continue to grow, but we need actual regulation. And the federal government's half in, half out approach so far is what's allowed the CCP to set up illegal grows as Senator Susan Collins has been talking about. It's what allowed these, all these, these operators to operate in the shadows where they shouldn't. So it's just time to really finish the process. Here we are in 2025 and marijuana is still sitting next to heroin.
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Chris Cuomo
What do you make of the argument that it's not weed of a generation ago, that it's so much stronger now and that it deserves to be scheduled as, as a real drug?
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Brady Cobb
I had a, I had a good laugh every time I see Laura Ingram talk about that. She's pretty vocal about that on her show. And for me it's show me the test results in 1977. Guess what? They weren't testing in 1977. So that comparison for me is complete and total bullshit because no one was running coas when you were buying your Mexican Brickweed and Glad sandwich bags. So at the end of the day, how do you even make the comparison? And number two, cannabis today has a myriad of forms. Despite the federal regulation that has been basically an overhang. You have tinctures, you have beverage, you have creams, you have low dose, you have mid dose, you have high dose. And it's all. If you do it legally, you can pull a COA and see exactly what you're getting. As opposed to going behind a Starbucks or even back in the day going behind a Quickie Mart and picking up a bag from your local plug. Which I'm not hating on that either. But there was no testing involved in that. So how, when every time I hear that comment I'm like, well, show me the testing that shows it was so much stronger, it doesn't exist. It's another, that's the modern day reefer madness, minus the old bad black and white movies.
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Chris Cuomo
And the only thing that I have seen, I mean, again, I do my research on this stuff. Dirty weed is not really a thing. And when they do find it. It's usually a cross contamination issue, but the dosage is really why I think that they should want to go past a full ban and regulate it. I mean, it's the only issue that I see as an, as a user is that you're always trying to find out for yourself how much you should take, which is obviously not there with every other medicine. Right. Someone's telling you this is how much you need with weed. You got to figure it out yourself. Because they haven't allowed it to become a part of the mainstream system.
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Brady Cobb
Correct. I mean, everybody, every human, every human being has an endocannabinoid system which is designed to receive cannabis. So that's a. You know, most people don't believe that. They don't understand that. But part of your parasympathetic nervous system includes an endocannabinoid system that is designed to receive cannabis. So the notion that it's some foreign substance. You don't have a system in your body designed to receive alcohol.
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Chris Cuomo
It's poison.
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Brady Cobb
So at the end of the day, it's. You're meant to have it. But every strain affects somebody different. As someone that's been involved in the industry, as an operator, a cultivator and a retailer, I have consumers come in and say, this, this strain, this petrol station makes me feel like I drink a shot of espresso and somebody else whose body's a little bit different can come in and say, that puts me to sleep. I love it. So it's just a matter of actually being able to have enough people try and gather enough data to make recommendations, which, with this federal overhang, we can't.
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Chris Cuomo
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Mike Tyson
Well, that's the great customado for you. That's his quote.
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Chris Cuomo
I remember my father saying that, but you made it famous. I remember when people were saying, when it first came out that you were saying it. Why do you think it's had such legs and people refer to it so often. What do you think you tapped into with that?
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Mike Tyson
Everybody in life experienced it. Everybody had this plan, we're going to make money. We're going to beat this guy, we're going to do this. We're going to sell this building. Then boom, life punched you in the face. Holy crap. Then you gotta start over again. You gotta punch back.
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Chris Cuomo
The other expression that I use all the time, and I think it's becoming even more relevant now, is about social media. You said once that social media has made people forget, that sometimes what comes out of your mouth can get you punched in the face. And I think that is something that we are really dealing with in our society right now. Mike, can you ever remember a time where the level of dialogue was as nasty as it is now between people online?
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Mike Tyson
Listen, the people that invented this were smart. They made the people safe. They're talking crap from a distance, so they gave them courage.
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Chris Cuomo
Right? What do we do about it, you think, Mike, hey, we have to be.
- [28:48]
Mike Tyson
Big boys and be able to accept abuse. Sometimes you can't punch everybody in the faith. That hurts your feelings.
- [28:57]
Chris Cuomo
You can, but most of us, you.
- [28:59]
Mike Tyson
Know, threaten for pain, but there is too many losses.
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Brady Cobb
It's such a problem, though. I mean, I know Mike's got kids. I've got kids. My son's 15, my daughter's 13. I mean, to prepare them for a world where they're going to potentially get attacked.
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Mike Tyson
I get it, though. I can't get it. I can't get it.
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Brady Cobb
You know, the Internet thing is I just, you know, I teach my kids, just pay don't, you know, don't pay attention to it. And ultimately, you know, we might. No social media yet. I think that's a real problem. But at the end of the day, it's scary.
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Mike Tyson
I don't hide anything from them. I don't hide it because life is going to hit them with mine, with me guiding them or not. Life is going to hit them. Life is going to hit everybody. That's. No one's going to get out of that. I don't care how much money you got. I don't care how poor you got, you're going to have to deal with life's punches.
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Chris Cuomo
It's true. Nobody gets out of this life alive. As my father used to tease me all the time. Mike, do you believe that this is the. You can have it. I've been taking your lines for 30 years. You can have that one. Mike, do you believe that this is the toughest fight you've ever been in?
- [30:01]
Mike Tyson
Hey, it's the toughest fight that I'm willing to take. I'm looking so forward to taking this to another level, even if I'm not here to see it. I'm just the person I'd like to torch.
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Chris Cuomo
And when people say to you, you really believe that using marijuana has changed how you are as a person?
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Mike Tyson
Well, no one ever told. No one ever asked me that. They saw it. The world saw it. They didn't have to ask me.
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Chris Cuomo
And that's what it was. It wasn't just maturity. It wasn't working on yourself in other ways. You believe.
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Mike Tyson
Hey, Listen, I was 40 years old, and I was still being a fool. I was supposed to be mature at 40, 45. No, hit it.
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Chris Cuomo
Well, listen, fellas, here's what I can do. I'm happy to spread the word, and I'm happy to be part of your efforts. You guys want me on, you know, Mike, you want me on your podcast to talk about it? I'm happy to. Brady. You got ways for me to be involved to help you guys. I'm happy to do it. You need investors. I'm happy to do it. I think it's really important because we got to focus on the real problems and not keep making up problems for ourselves in this society. We keep doing this, we keep making up shit that we gotta be upset about when there's plenty of stuff that we could actually fight about that's worthwhile. So, Brady Cobb, Mr. Mike Tyson, I wish you both well in this. You got the research on your side. Stigma's tough to beat, though. We're a judgy bunch of mofos in this society. And you're definitely playing with one of the main stigmas.
- [31:39]
Mike Tyson
See, when judgment see incorrectness, it grows up.
- [31:44]
Chris Cuomo
When judgment sees incorrectness, it grows up. I like it. I'm gonna steal that one too. Mike, thank you very much for being with me. I wish you well. I wish you good things with this. Let me know how I can help.
- [31:55]
Brady Cobb
Thank you.
- [31:56]
Mike Tyson
Thank you so much, Chris.
- [32:04]
Chris Cuomo
Look, I believe, okay? I've tried to take booze out of my life as much as I can and I've replaced it for my leisure activities and for my joint support with CBD and cannabinoid products, mostly from dragon hemp, because I know the guy who makes it and he's out by me. So I believe in this. I think it's silly that hemp is a carve out and marijuana is not. I think it's really silly that this is a federal Schedule 1 drug when marijuana is supposed to be seen as more deadly than fentanyl. Really? Really. It's time to do better. It's good to have Iron Mike. It was good to have Brady, and it was great to have you. Thank you for subscribing and following at the Chris Cuomo Project. Thank you for checking me out at News Nation at 8pm 11p Eastern every weekday night. Thank you for subscribing and paying so we can use that money on substack to get people help to get their long Covid treatment. And as long as you subscribe and pay, I will answer your comments and I will talk to my interview about what you put into those questions. Okay? Appreciate you, my friends. The challenges are real. Wear your independence. Get your free agent gear and show that you are no party patsy. You're an independent, critical thinker, a free agent. Let's get after it.