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Sarah Palin
Hi, I'm Kristen Bell. Carvana makes car buying easy, isn't that right, hun? Dax.
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Chris Cuomo
Dax, sorry. Did you know about this? 7 day money back guarantee.
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Sarah Palin
A week to evaluate seat comfiness.
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Chris Cuomo
You say a week of terrain tests?
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Sarah Palin
Yeah.
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Chris Cuomo
I can test the brake pad resistance at variable speeds.
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Sarah Palin
Make sure all the kids stuff fits nicely.
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Chris Cuomo
Make sure our stuff fits nicely.
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Sarah Palin
Oh, the right.
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Chris Cuomo
Still need to buy the car. Getting ahead of ourselves here.
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Sarah Palin
Buy your car with Carvana today.
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Chris Cuomo
So many things are changing in our politics. What now seems to be okay for Republicans was so different just a couple of cycles ago. How do I know? Remember Sarah Palin? Welcome to the Chris Cuomo project. I am Chris Cuomo. Sarah Palin was talking about things that are now in play and she was dismissed at the time and she was mocked at the time and not just by snl. And now the party of Trump sure does resemble a lot of things that Sarah Palin and John McCain used to talk about. So I wanted her to come onto the project to talk about her experience in politics, what people need to know about it and where we are now versus what her party wanted back then, for better and worse. Sarah Palin, thank you very much for taking this opportunity. Always good to see you.
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Sarah Palin
Thank you. It's my honor.
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Chris Cuomo
Sarah, what's been your experience with the difference between how the media treats you when they're reporting on you versus how when the lights aren't on and. Or they're not recording?
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Sarah Palin
Well, I think anyone who is in any kind of the proverbial spotlight anyway knows that there's never a sincere and genuine capture of who you are via television, via those cameras. You know, it's, it, it's tough to, it's tough to pretend that you're anything that you're not. So I don't try to pretend anything. You know, I'm not an actress, so I don't know. I just wish people could, through their own discernment, just filter through what it is that the cameras and a host or reporter trying to make you out to be and they would just really get to know the real person behind that.
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Chris Cuomo
I lived your whole run. I've met your husband, I met one of your kids, your daughter. I interviewed her when she wound up working with the Candies guys. Obviously we've known each other over the years. I've watched the whole deal. What I always used to love hearing my father talk about, if you could go back after everything that you have dealt with, positive and negative, would you have made the same choice to enter the public fray that you did.
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Sarah Palin
Oh, absolutely. I feel very blessed to have a platform today, and there's purpose in everything. So everything that I've gone through has been preparation for what's around the corner. And I think that there still is more, Chris, around the corner in terms of getting a message out and using a platform for good in this country. But. So, yeah, I would do it again. What I would do differently is I'd have fought back harder back then, not worrying about what. What the ramifications really would be, but I'd fight back against, say, my own party leadership that wanted me to say something or to be something, and it wasn't genuine. I have push back even harder than I already had back then. And with the media, too. I call them out more for fake news, for making things up.
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Chris Cuomo
I think Bill Bradley had it right. Do you remember when he decided to run and they asked him something about his wife early on, and he said, I'm not going to talk about my wife ever, and I'm not talking about my family. And you can. I can't stop you from asking. I will never answer, and I will never answer any question that has anything to do with my private life. And maybe it's just that he has a very boring existence or whatever and a very ordinary existence, but it never happened after that. Do you think there should be a rule that when Sarah Palin enters, you ask about Sarah? You can ask about Sarah's character, of course, but you cannot go into the family? Or is that what we all sign up for? And, you know, they're coming for everybody, so don't get in if you don't want the full stink.
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Sarah Palin
Well, I can't answer for anyone else in that spotlight, but for me personally, I don't mind the questions about my family, about my kids, about my personal life, because that background of who you are, what has made you into what you are today, I think is real important and central to that is family. I don't like, though, the personal attacks on my kids. Hey, Chris. By the way, the reason that I ever agreed to or wanted to be interviewed by you back then was because you had done that interview with Bristol. And here she was an unwed. You know, she's a single mom, and she was probably. Maybe she was 19 at the time. And she came away from that interview with you, Chris, and she said, mom, he showed such respect. And she was really. Unfortunately, it made her. She was taken aback because she wasn't used to that. We weren't used to that kind of Fairness or justice in an interview. And that meant the world to me, and it meant the world to Bristol because she got to get her story out there with, with, with truth behind it. So I want to thank you for that. But maybe that's an example too, of. It's okay, you know, ask me about the kids. Ask the kids themselves, whatever issue you want to talk about. Because at least my kids, they've got a lot of wisdom. They're all old souls and they have something to contribute to a narrative.
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Chris Cuomo
I think that's a really healthy perspective. I don't know that I share it, by the way, because I believe that if you want to look at someone's personal life as a journalist, I have this feeling that it should happen to you first. Because I'll tell you why. Because it is just way too easy for me to spend a lot of time and resources looking into John Smith's background. I'm going to find something, there's no question. If you're over the age of 11, I'm going to find something that I'm going to come after you with. And you're not going to want to talk about it. Maybe not because of you, but because of someone you love. But I'm coming. And I really believe that if reporters knew that that could happen to you too, they wouldn't value it the same way. Because it's easy to say, hey, John Smith, Chris Cuomo, Sarah Palin, I mean, you want to be a public figure? Well, since when did that become the test? Because I remember when I got into this business, Sarah, you know, well, long 25 plus years ago, there were plenty of stories about politicians having dalliances or whatever. We never reported on it. Why? I was personal. You stuck to the business of the people. And then it changed in the tabloid era. And now with social media, everything is fair game. Do you think we would be better or is it too academic a question? We're too far gone. Do you think we should get back towards. I'm not voting for somebody to be my best friend or my mommy. I'm voting for them to see what they can do for my country.
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Sarah Palin
Yeah, well, I think it's wholly irrelevant, even that idea of requesting or mandating that the press back off when it comes to somebody's personal life. We're too far gone. And it seems like everything you do anyway, it's going to come out and wash because of social media today. If not a reporter, just a Joe Bo, Joe Six Pack reporter is going to find out and they're Going to report it. So we're too far gone to request such a thing. But I again, personally, in so many respects, I do not care about somebody's. Their dalliances, their personal background. I don't care. I want to know if they are asking for my vote that they will govern as they campaign, that they will be honest and that they are competent enough to do the job with the public service heart. I don't care if they've got divorces or baby mama stuff or whatever. I just wanted to do the job.
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Chris Cuomo
I think that, yes, I agree with you and I guess my beef is, and maybe this part you'll agree with, it's allowed us to not have to deal with the real stuff. So Elon Musk has 100 kids, is kind of weird, kind of party. She holds up a chainsaw. That's all we talk about. That's all you talk about is what is weird about them personally because it's become a proxy for are his ideas working or not? Like Trump is the ultimate manifestation of this, right? I mean that guy is such a, of personal peccadillos, right? It's like you can pick on him all day long about how he is and how he talks, but how does that make anybody's life better? How is that relevant to the economics of your home or the policies that you care about? And because it's so acceptable now, we almost never move past that. Even debates are all about how you looked at me during the debate, how you sounded during the debate. It's not about your ideas. It's about how mean we were to each other. That's what I mean. I feel like we're obsessed with it now.
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Sarah Palin
Now, well, that's a really good point. But that falls on then those who are covering the person or the issue. It's not on the subject matter. It is on who chooses to focus on something that is going to hijack the narrative that needs to get out there. They'll hijack it with that more sensational the, the, the sexy stuff, you know, the tea. Oh, they want, you know, they want, they want that gossip so that oftentimes, Chris, it's so that they feel better about themselves and their messed up life. They, they want to portray somebody else is even more messed up. But again that, that's on the person who is doing the reporting.
- [10:48]
Chris Cuomo
Will you run again?
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Sarah Palin
If not running again, I'd like to have opportunity to accept an appointment to be able to serve. There's still so much that I want to do for this country and okay, you talked, Chris, about getting into somebody's personal life. And is that good or is that bad in terms of coverage if they're an elected or a public official? In some ways it is good. And I'll relate it to me and my circumstances because that personal life does shape a person's worldview. I look at, for instance, aoc. I don't think she's ever run a business. I don't think she's ever had to balance a ledger, take care of a whole bunch of employees, and at the same time, take care of a whole bunch of kids. Her worldview to me is this big. My worldview, it's huge. It's like I paid my dues and I've been there, I've done that. I run businesses, I've run a city, I've run a state. I have a large family, a very diverse family. My worldview is huge. And I spend, you know, I'm not a real social butterfly. I spend my time studying, researching, being very interested in what's going on in the political arena and with these current events. And that's thanks to my parents, who are teachers, retired teachers. Over all those years, they really ingrained that need to be knowledgeable about what's going on to my siblings and to me. So that personal life, kind of digging in there, we have to keep that in mind. It does shape somebody's worldview, which is so important. When somebody, again, I'll take aoc. When she's going to tell us, via policy, how to raise our kids or how to run our business or, you know, what level of taxation is actually going to help us or hurt us in a lot of respects. Unless she's been there, done that. She does not know these faceless, nameless bureaucrats and politicians in a far off bubble, Chris. They don't know better how to spend our money. We know best. That's why I'm a fiscal conservative. They don't relate to, say, somebody up here in Alaska. We're so pro Second Amendment up here. Does somebody like AOC understand how protection of that Second Amendment, not just for hunting, but how important it is to us as American citizens? Because she, again, her worldview being this big, I don't know how she would relate. So she wouldn't understand our passion for some of the issues that we do have.
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Chris Cuomo
You know, you and AOC are politically very different. Duh. But there is an interesting dynamic that you both, I'll say, share as opposed to benefit from. One part of AOC's appeal is how she looks okay. And, you know, it was so interesting when we did the town hall together. I did not. I mean, I thought you looked great. It was a passing thought in my head. And then I look at the reactions to the town hall that night and there was so much attention spent on how Sarah Palin looked and oh my God, she looked amazing. How do you deal with the plus minus of how even now, after having been in politics as long as you've been, how you look winds up being one of the first things people talk about when you make an appearance.
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Sarah Palin
Well, that was a great example that you just gave was our town hall, that recent event. Daily Mail, they, you know, they covered it as Sarah Palin mortified the audience because she was wearing all black and high boots. And I thought, what? Who? Tell me somebody who is mortified by what I was wearing and why was that more important than what I had to say and what the panelists and what she had to say and what the audience members had to say. That was ridiculous. By the way, I'd worn that outfit I don't know how many times before. I think I'd even worn it on Huckabee show. And yeah, I think things like that, that to me are so irrelevant, really. They do. It does get in the way of what that person has to say. Their vision, their ideas, their record that they want to convey.
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Chris Cuomo
Do you think the Democratic Party is a reflection of aoc or do you think she's an aberration within that party, an exception?
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Sarah Palin
I think she's reflective of that party today. That party is, I believe, very disconnected from those who, like I say, they're running small businesses. They're just wanting good education for their kids and they want education choices because they want the best for their kids. They want to be able to keep as much income as possible because they know better than the bureaucrats and politicians how to spend that money. They don't want to be forced to say with their tax dollars issues and projects that they don't believe in. If they want to voluntarily help and be generous, then let them keep more income and then let them voluntarily contribute. But aoc, with their tax and spend, they're the antithesis of smaller, smarter government. That's for sure. That is the Democrat Party today. And I think it's very arrogant and I think it's, as I said, very disconnected. And I think it's all about control. Of course, it's all about money. And a lot of that, though, is on the other side of the aisle too. A lot of that money and personal greed, it kind of seeps into policy that's crafted and adopted, and that's sad, but no, AOC is the Democrat Party.
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Chris Cuomo
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Sarah Palin
Wow, that is so spot on. It infuriates me, too, as a voter. It's. Is it so tough to ask politicians to govern as they've campaigned? We see it over and over and over again, all this yakking during campaigns about what they're going to do. I remember when I debated Joe Biden when I ran for vice president, and he was, you know, on the other podium, and we were going back and forth, and he's talking about all the problems and saying, you know, suggesting that I wouldn't be able to know how to solve them because he'd been in there at that time, it was like 47 years already. And I looked at him thinking, I wanted to be respectful, though. But I looked at him thinking, you're all about the status quo and like Ronald Reagan said the status quo, that's Latin for the mess we're in. I'm looking at him going, you've had 47 years to not contribute to the problems, but to fix the problems. And here you're promising all these things that you're going to do. You've had opportunity to do these things. Same within the last go around with presidential election. Kamala Harris, she'd been there in D.C. and she'd been in the judiciary in her own state in California. There were a lot of things that she could have done. And then she was vice president, she was second in command. She had all this opportunity to fix the problems that then she would come out and yak about. Voters aren't that stupid though. Voters do not. Especially today because we're so fed up with that the disingenuous acts and efforts of politicians in their campaigns. They need to be held accountable. You have good examples like term limits. How long have politicians been talking about term limits? Right? And it's still not there. How long have we been talking about that debt clock that's running, running, running. It's up to $37 million now and we're borrowing money from one country to, to another country and we're all griping about it and the politicians are agreeing with Joe Six Pack. That is a bad. But they don't do anything about it. We need a whole new crop of people in there who have nothing to lose, Chris, but to do the right thing and be willing to be held accountable. I think too. Why do these politicians even want to be there? They're kind of lackadaisical attitude about, oh, you know, if somebody's done something wrong, we will send them a harshly worded letter and no talk about the problems, but never fix them. People though, who don't care about the titles and the money and the power and all that, but they just want to with the surface heart, literally serve the people. We need more people like that. But it's tough to get in there because of the power of the incumbency. And you know, a lot of it does come down to money, money and power.
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Chris Cuomo
And that's why they're there. I mean, I think you could make a pretty fair argument that the two party system now is all about just those two things, acquiring power.
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Sarah Palin
We need another party, we need a third party. I love the Tea Party movement and the Tea Party which got hijacked by those who didn't want the Tea Party movement to grow any more than it was already growing all those years ago. By the way, the Tea Party is maga. That's what it became. The acronym for. Tea Party was taxed enough already. It was common sense. It wasn't controversial. It was just, you know, things that your mom and pop business believed in and wanted to convey to our elected officials and during the presidential campaigns. And it was made out to me by the media, though, as some wacko, psycho deplorable movement. And then that too, applied to, via their reporting, applied to the MAGA movement. It's just these movements are. It's populism, but in a good, healthy way. It's reflective of the will of the people. And that's what these folks are supposed to be doing, is ushering the will of the people there in Congress, in the White House, in our state legislatures, in our city councils, in our borough assemblies. The local government has got to get on board, too.
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Chris Cuomo
How do you think the Elon Musk Donald Trump relationship goes a year from now?
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Sarah Palin
Oh, another good question. Because the dynamics there are odd, right? Different personalities. You know, we know that President Trump, he's very, he's charismatic and he's so good at what he does. He really is. He, he. Even if he's stumbling into the right, doing the right thing, so often he does. He ends up doing the right thing. And, and he's what, he's what we need. He's who we need. We needed a revolution, we got us a revolutionary. Because he believes, and he told me personally, goes, I got nothing to lose. Everything that they've done to me, what more can they do to me? I'm gonna, you know, I know what I'm gonna do. And come what may, we know, though, Chris, that, you know, he doesn't want anyone to outshine him. And in some respects, and quite often that's a characteristic of a good leader. In some respects, Elon, because of his own caricature, does outshine. You know, he sure sucks up a lot of ink, doesn't he? And he attracts a lot of eyeballs. And so what he says is being heard. I'm just thankful that what he's saying, for the most part, not the personal stuff, that's. But when it comes to policy and finding efficiencies to create a smaller, smarter government, I just, I'm glad he's on our side.
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Chris Cuomo
Nobody can be against finding efficiencies. Finding waste, fraud and abuse was a big part of the McCain Palin ticket and talking about government back when you were running against Obama and Biden. And so it's not new. They're making it sound new, but that's politics. That's fair play, is pretending that Doge is something we've never seen before. Reagan called it the Grace Committee and was doing the exact same thing. It just used accountants in Congress instead of whoever Elon is using. My frustration with it is the amount of money they're finding is overwhelming to regular people. Billions and billions of dollars. But to people like you, you know you have to cut 20 times. The idea that the tax cut extension will be paid for by what they're finding with Doge is silly. You have to go after the big dogs and you have to cut spending in a big way with entitlements. If you want to do anything about the debt and the deficit, but nobody wants to say that because you'll get killed politically.
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Sarah Palin
No, there's a lot that can be done without. Without harming the entitlements. And we can talk about that here. But no, enough is enough of this debt of deficits every year, of our income being taken from us. And now it's so exposed it being used for projects and people and issues and places that we don't want our money to go in terms of support. So all this exposure is all good. Yeah, you'd think it's just common sense. Who can argue what Doge is actually doing? And that's finding efficiencies. And yet there's huge opposition to it by certainly it's a minority, but it is the Democrat Party who all of a sudden, they don't want efficiencies. Otherwise they'd be cooperating, they'd be helping out. I think it's very healthy for our country to be able to benefit from all this exposure of the waste, the fraud, the corruption. Of course, though, that just adds. It compounds on the problems and the challenges that we're facing. Complimentary to that had better be some solutions. You're right, there has to be big cuts. But you do eat that elephant one bite at a time. Here's what Doge is going to do. I said this weeks ago when I saw yesterday that Governor DeSantis in Florida, great governor, he's doing it. I said this is going to empower state governments and local governments to find efficiencies in their cities, in their states. And that is so necessary. And this is why it's a beautiful thing to have local government experience. A lot of these movers and shakers and decision makers, banking makers in D.C. they don't know what it's like to be in a position to be held Accountable. When you're a city mayor, like I was the city manager, you are so held accountable, you know, you don't get away. And for the most part, you're not even going to flirt with fraud or corruption or anything because you know you're facing that constituent. When you go to the grocery store in the morning or you go to your kids school and the person voting for you or against you, you're having the conversation about it. Local government is the most efficient, the most effective. I wish maybe that should be a mandate, a requirement before you think you're going to seek higher office. Hey, get some experience on the local level. What I did as governor, though, when you talk about, yeah, you have to make big cuts in order to make a big difference. I had promised that I would make cuts and we would be a smaller, smarter government to allow the private sector to thrive in Alaska. So what I did, I got in there and granted, it was little things at first, Chris, but it set the tone and it showed the voters that I would govern. As I campaigned, I put, for instance, the governor's jet on ebay back then. Ebay, how you sold things, Sold the governor's jet, the chef in the governor's mansion. I'm like, no, my kids are going to make their own sandwiches rid of the chef. All these little incremental things, though, to set the tone. And then I made the largest veto cuts in our state's history because I wanted to get to a place where we would have a surplus. And thankfully, because we're an oil development friendly state, the price of oil went up and we did have a surplus. You know what I did with that surplus? I gave it back to the people in the form of a $3200 check. At that time, I'm like, this is the people's money and we have a surplus. And better that the people get to spend their own money than juno legislators. And that was. It was not just a good tone, but it was good solid manifestation of what I believed in.
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Chris Cuomo
If you had 70% of Congress and seven of the justices on the Supreme Court, what would be the three things that you would want to make happen as President of the United States?
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Sarah Palin
All right, and I probably sound Pollyanna with this, but no more war. Oh my God, I feel like I'm the Cindy Sheehan of the Republican Party. I hate war. No more war. No more intervention in another country where we don't have our own America. First interest. All these old men calling for war and sending our young men and our young women Our sons and daughters to war. No more tackling that debt. And we do that by tackling each year the deficit, not raising that debt ceiling. That's so fake because it's not a ceiling. It's nothing solid. It's not concrete. It goes up all the time. So being serious about that and then I'd really like families to know that they do have choices with their kids. Education that's so important to me that it shouldn't just be the wealthy, the privileged, if you will, to have choices in where to send their kids to school. I want public schools to be top notch. I'm from public school background, my parents were public school, the teachers part of the administration. And I still have a lot of hope for public education. So I want parents to be secure in their knowing that their kids are getting the best and that our tax dollars are going to efficient, effective curriculum and governance in a school. Those three things.
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Chris Cuomo
Who's been your favorite president?
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Sarah Palin
I have always said Reagan because I came into my own during the era of Reagan, studied political science in college and he was our president at the time. And oh my gosh. But really looking back, it's got to be Lincoln because he gave all to form a more perfect union. He wanted sincerely that unity. He knew slavery was wrong and he was on the right side of that issue supporting abolition. He did not want slavery. And it's fake when Democrats say that Republicans are the ones who want to hold people down. When no our basically our founder because remember it was the Whigs before it was the Republican party. It was Lincoln who ushered in the Republican Party. He was the one who ushered in the anti racism Democrats fought it and didn't want slavery. So it's got to be Lincoln. Here's another thing though. Here I am in Alaska. Lincoln was wise enough to have chosen as his secretary of state William Seward. William Seward recognized this is Alaska's link to that Lincoln wisdom whom he chose. Seward recognized this territory that Russia owned because we're so close to Russia and we really are. You can swim between Russia and America.
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Chris Cuomo
I heard someone say once they could see it from their window.
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Sarah Palin
Turn the camera around. And Peter Fey. But anyway, Chris, William Seward recognized. Oh, this territory, it's huge and we're going to have opportunity to buy it from Russia for 2 cents an acre. And it's rich in resources. They didn't know about the oil and the gas back then, but they knew about gold that we had up here. Meaning today we recognize we've got the rare earth we shouldn't be dealing with Ukraine trying to get their rare earths and their minerals. We got to get cash from them, cash back because they do owe us debt. And they recognize fisheries and they recognize waterways where we're strategically located on top of the globe that we would be. They didn't know we're going to be the air crossroads of the world, but we are. William Seward purchased this territory of Alaska. We eventually became a state and now we're the largest and we're the most resource rich. We are the Fort Knox of America. We're not able to tap into everything yet because of government overreach. But it was Lincoln, his wisdom in choosing William Seward. So people, he wasn't Secretary of State at the time purchasing Alaska, but he's the one who did it. They mocked him. They called this territory Seward's Folly in Seward's icebox. But he didn't care. He. He knew he was doing the right thing. It was providential, it was prophetic, what he saw and what he created in the purchase of Alaska.
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Chris Cuomo
It's also an interesting lesson in politics at the time versus politics later and how things are remembered. I remember when President George W. Bush was in office, there was a feeling at the time that other than Dan Quayle, like, we would never have a guy who seemed as out of the box as President George W. Bush again. But now, many years later, people love seeing President George W. Bush and see him as so much more of a strong and conventional figure because of what followed him. Seward's Folly, 1867, you know, just paying cents on the acre. People thought it was a joke because they, they didn't think it was worth anything. Now it's one of the best deals in American history. What have you learned in politics about the benefit of time?
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Sarah Palin
Oh, my goodness. It's not about me, and I'm not going to brag, but I'll tell you, Chris, I've been before my time with a lot of things I talked about. Back in 08, I spoke about what was going to happen with Russia and Ukraine because we were provoking basically by allowing or empowering NATO to get closer and closer to Ukraine's, to Russia's border. And Russia then was going to do something about Georgia, they were going to do something about Ukraine. And then all these years later, people are finally recognizing, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Nobody listened to me back then, though. Imagine that there. Oh, the death panels. I, I was listening today to your podcast from. I don't know when it aired because it was a YouTube and you were asking somebody about. He brought up death panels. And I think it was the guy who runs the Lincoln Project. And I thought, hey, man, give credit where credit's due about the whole death panel things. I talked about that way back when people mocked me. I took so much heat for calling it death panels. What government regulators were going to be forced to or empowered to do in deciding who gets healthcare at the end of the line. Cause it would essentially have to be rationed under Obamacare. Well, now today people recognize, oh, there are panels that make those type of decisions and are going to have to make those type of decisions as we become more and more in debt and insolvent as a nation and still try to provide healthcare for many. So being before my time on a lot of this stuff, you want personally, you want the vilification, you want to be vindicated. You want people at the time to understand what you're trying to say and what you're trying to do for them. But it often does not unfold until many years later, and then you get your own little sense of vindication. But it didn't really. It doesn't make up for anything. But, yeah, that's. That's some. Some good thinking there, Chris, when it comes to what happens in politics, the timing of everything, because so often it's way down the line. The decisions that are made in the present are fully made manifest, good or bad, way down the line.
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Chris Cuomo
Do you miss being on Saturday Night Live on a regular basis because of how resonant you were within our culture?
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Sarah Palin
Well, things like that are fun, you know, and people, they ask often, aren't you offended by Tina Fey the liberal mocking you like she did? And maybe she still does. I'm like, no, because she nailed it. She was really good. And by the way, her husband, who's Canadian, he's kind of conservative, and the husband's family definitely is conservative, so there's some redeeming factor there. But things like that, involvement in the pop culture, it's fun and it's effective. I tell Republicans, especially all the time, quit preaching in these four square walls. Kind of like being in a church and you're preaching to the choir. No, everything's downstream from pop culture. Politics, the economy, the way we run our businesses, the way everything's marketed. Everything's downstream from pop culture. So infiltrate it, influence it, and have fun with it. Don't let the other side take it over any more than they already have. We're seeing a shift there, though. Aren't we with a lot of exposure about what really goes on with some of these. Making the decisions to impact our pop culture today, which is so impacting on the youth. Of course, a lot of weird, bad, bad, bad stuff is the foundation of some of pop culture. And more exposure is going to be real, healthy, and beneficial for the American public to see.
- [39:36]
Chris Cuomo
Yeah, I mean, social media is tricky. I don't. I don't have any answers. I do know if I could go back, I wouldn't give my kids smartphones until they were 16. I lost that fight. I lost it three times. So. And it's definitely been a bad move every time. And whatever my parents were worried about with television is exponentially worse with smartphones. But, you know, you gotta play the ball where it lies. And I remember you guys talking in your campaign, and it was shocking at the time, and I remember it made you a wild card. One of the reasons you were a wild card was you were talking about government and you were talking about subsidies of big corporations. And, you know, you're like, look, I'm governor of Alaska, and I'm telling you, you know, oil and gas companies, they get subsidies, and big pharma, or whatever we were calling it back then, they get all these subsidies, and you gotta look at that. And I remember Republicans were like, what the. What is she talking about? Like, and now that seems to have come back again into the Republican playbook as they've attached to the populist politics. Do you think you can go after subsidies for the big corporations and for pharma? Because, look, you want to cut the budget, you want to fill the loopholes in. I mean, those are the biggest pigs at the trough. Right? But do you think that anybody can do that and survive?
- [41:15]
Sarah Palin
I did it as a governor. I sued Exxon, and I won because they weren't adhering to judicial agreements from the past that had to do with the Exxon Valdez oil spill. And I still had E6, 90% approval rating as governor, the highest governor rating in the nation. I think that's why McCain picked me, but. Plus other boxes that I evidently checked. But you can and you can survive, and we need more people willing to do that to take the heat. I took a lot of heat from the Republican Party taking on Exxon. But, you know, they're like, I thought you were drill, baby drill. I thought you were nobody. I hadn't thought of drill, baby drill back then, that mantra. But, no, you can. And there are subsidies left and right. Oh, man. You want to hear A story. It'll probably get me in a little bit of trouble here, but when Vice President Pence and Donald Trump, they were newly elected, and I saw kind of right off the bat an issue come forth that they supported. And it was essentially moving around some things so that Indiana would have some benefits to attract this manufacturer. And it made me kind of nervous because I'm like, well, why is Pence pushing so hard for that? Well, he had been the governor of Indiana. It's going to make him look good. And I said something about it publicly, pretty innocent. You know, it was just like, man, we got to watch out for crony capitalism. Come on, Republicans, we were elected to do away with crony capitalism and these subsidies and favoritism for one manufacturer over another, one state over another. And I got a call, got a call from President Trump and Mike Pence. They were on speakerphone and diplomatically, but kind of nicely asking me, why are you saying that? Why did you say that? You know, that just doesn't sound like our cerebral. And I said, we. You gotta be careful. I'm not accusing you of crony capitalism, but I'm saying, please watch out for it. And optics are important. You know, if we can't show favoritism to one industry over another, people expect a level playing field so that we can usher in more competition that makes everybody work harder and do better and produce more. But, yeah, you can take on the big dogs and you just have to be willing to take the heat. You have to be, again, like Trump, where it's like, I got nothing to lose. I'm going to call people out on what I believe they are doing wrong, and I'm going to compliment them when I believe that they are doing right for the people. And, you know, you get, you take that criticism and you gotta just learn to. You take the constructive criticism and you learn from that. And of course, you know that as an athlete, so much of our progress in, in sports has to do with the constructive criticism of a, of a coach or of a trainer. So with background like that, we understand that, but the unnecessary criticism that comes along with the constructive, that's got to be water off a duck's back. And you got to just move forward.
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Chris Cuomo
Did you think that they thought that they would be able to tell you to shut up?
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Sarah Palin
Oh, yeah. Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace, the darlings of msnbc.
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Chris Cuomo
No, I'm saying when Pence and Trump called you.
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Sarah Palin
Oh, when those two. I think I'm going to believe that they just genuinely wanted, they wanted to know why you know, maybe they. They weren't used to a fellow Republican calling or warning the public that, you know, got to be careful, don't want prone to capitalism. I believe that they just really wanted to know why. So I got to explain to him why I did it. And then all was well.
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Chris Cuomo
Was all well, or did you just hang up on him at the end of it?
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Sarah Palin
Well, all these years later, no, all was well. Hey, before that, I don't know if people, if they know this, but Pence had come up here, sat at that kitchen table. He was up here for about four days. He stayed in my airplane hangar, he and his family next door, trying to decide what he's going to do next, as before he decided to run for governor at the time. And some of these people who come up here, Ted Cruz is another one, sat at that kitchen table. A lot of do, because this is this Ponderosa, man. There's a lot of healthy solitude, and you can think and get away and pray and meditate, and it's just the setting that I'm blessed to be in. So people, they utilize this. But it cracks me up, though, when they want to benefit from it. And then as they walk out the door, they say, but don't tell anyone I was here. It's like, really? Well, I got pictures. It kind of is reflective, too, of the. I just want realism in politicians. I want truth. I want the connectivity between regular people and politicians making decisions for us. I want it genuine. I don't want anybody hiding or faking it.
- [46:59]
Chris Cuomo
Well, then you were in the wrong business. Let me ask you something. When you were with McCain, there were a few politicians with the visibility that he had who were as openly and aggressively hostile towards Russia. He believed that Putin was not just an enemy to the political interests of America, but that he was a bad guy and that you had to be all in on fighting them everywhere that they were, all the time. How do you understand the shift in how to deal with Russia by the Republican president? Now?
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Sarah Palin
I agree with what President Trump is doing with that relationship with Putin. Gosh, he took heat for saying that he respects the leadership of Putin. I do, too. Because Putin, for his country, for his own interests, he's doing what he's gotta do. That's what a president, that's what a prime minister. That's what you gotta do. You gotta put your country first, and Putin certainly does. But for Russia in general to be made out to be the bad guys on every issue, you got to take a step back and look at every issue. Individually and based on facts and history decide, are they really the ones 100% in the wrong? Let's take the Ukrainian war. Back in 94, the US was part of NATO with this project, they called it the big state project, wanting to expand NATO to countries closer and closer to Russia, to Russia's border, because it gave NATO, it gave America more power. But then a few years later, it was decided with talking to Putin, talking to Russia, to the Russian leadership, we weren't going to expand NATO anymore. We signed agreements. We were not going to support expansion of NATO. Ukraine, they elected a president who did not want to join NATO. The public then did not want to join NATO, but we all of a sudden started pushing it again, violating our own agreements. And it was to get to Russia's border. And a lot of it had to do with anti ballistic missile agreements, too, that also were violated. But the, the Ukrainian war was. We participated in taking steps. And again, I warned about this back in 08, where Putin was going to say enough is enough. You told us NATO, that you were not going to expand any further because it was. Was dangerous. And that's why Ukrainians, for instance, and Georgians did not want to be a part of NATO. It is dangerous because you're going to be involved then in much more than skirmishes, but in life and death and global annihilation possibilities based on attacks of one country for part of NATO, you're going to be willing to die for another country anyway. We violated agreements, though, Chris, And Putin then did annex in and take over Georgia. And the next was going to be Ukraine. I could see it coming. People should have seen it coming. And Putin now. It's a mess, of course. And I know Donald Trump is absolutely passionate about, and I believe will succeed in stopping this war. It has to. It's useless. It's ridiculous. We don't have the money to keep funneling into Zelensky's pocket in, in a lot of respects. Remember Ukraine, it was known as the third most corrupt administration on the globe, and yet we still started willing and dealing with them and giving them money. You saw what Zelensky said the other day. He's like, those weren't loans. We're not going to give any of that money back. Trump, I believe, has said it's 500 billion. Zelensky says it's 100 billion. There's a big difference there. And you can't believe anything that you hear sometimes on the news. So I don't know what the figure is, but Zelensky saying, we're not going to give any of that back really arrogantly. We can't afford to keep funneling money to a corrupt regime over there. And there is no accountability in where our money is going over there. And there are innocent lives being lost on both sides in that war. And America. Plus, you know, a lot of it affects our relationship with so many other countries. We need to knock it off. And Zelensky does need to repay us. Not necessarily, though, with they being able to develop their own rare earths and all these minerals that America does need. I'd rather get the cash back, get the money back and we develop, we mine, baby mine in our own country up here in Alaska. That's where the rare earths are.
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Chris Cuomo
Well, the point is whether or not Russia will repay it. Because whether or not they liked the posturing of NATO, you start bombing civilian populations and make a full advance on another country, you're going to have a problem. Especially, you know, you're right to point out what happened in 1994. Those Bucharest, the memorandum, those agreements, you know, the America promised to protect Ukraine as part of the extension of those understandings. And Russia was supposed to stay off. It took Crimea. America let it do it. Right. And then Obama, you know, dealt with that very passively. And there was all this talk about how the people there wanted to be part of Russia, which is not how sovereignty works. And now you have them going in and it's such an interesting shift in your party. When the war started, Republicans were all.
- [53:13]
Sarah Palin
In on Ukraine with Iraq. Remember Republicans? I do. I thought, oh, let's ushering democracy, let's get rid of bad guys. Look at what a mess that on.
- [53:24]
Chris Cuomo
Right? But that started in bad faith. I mean, you know, it's funny, I hear Ari Fleischer on Fox, you know, and he would always tell me, oh no, no yellow cake. We weren't wrong about yet. They were wrong about yellow cake. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There was just one big mouth who bragged too much about how much he liked seeing the United States take a beating, named Saddam Hussein, and he paid the ultimate price for his mouth. But we never found any weapons of mass destruction. They didn't move them out right before we got there. So I understand why. I understand two things. I understand why everybody was in favor of it at the time because there was an active deception going on. And I understand why Congress doesn't want to vote on Moore's anymore and just let presidents do it because they got burned. And they want to be able to Blame the executive for whatever happened as opposed to owning their own responsibility. But your party went from being all in for Ukraine to now Trump has him in a box where he seems to be trying to say that Zelensky is the bad guy and Russia didn't really start it. And your party doesn't know what to say because, you know, most of the people in power in your party don't believe that.
- [54:31]
Sarah Palin
Well, some of us, though, at the very beginning, you know, it didn't matter what I thought, but I thought back then, I'm like, wait, why are, for instance, why are all the churches all of a sudden having these prayer warrior meetings for the people of Ukraine that, you know, they're. They're these victims and they are. But they're victimization on the other side, too. Why are we only focusing on the sympathy given to. To Ukraine? And everybody was willing to spend so much money. I was questioning back then, though. I'm like, wait, Zelensky, though, I mean, he's an actor, he's a comedian, and now he's gonna be one of the leaders on our globe. We're putting him there, basically, we're funding him. And yet there was so much corruption. And then we find out, well, look, Hunter, Biden, other politicians, kids getting so wealthy with Ukrainian countries, wasn't there a little bit of some conflicts of interest that we should have been looking at way back when? So not everybody was all in early on. But, hey, you made a point. You said, well, the question is, will Russia pay back? And I want to ask you what you mean by that. But you talk about then the atrocities that Russia has caused in the country of Ukraine, and it's tragic, it's sinful, it's horrible, but the atrocities are on the other side, too. So we have to keep that in mind. And that is war. And that is why war is the absolute last, the absolute last choice for any nation, for any leader, and for any populace to support atrocities. Innocent lives lost, women and children. Makes me sick. Gosh, guys who are calling the shots and making these decisions to go bomb and to kill and sit down and figure it out.
- [56:29]
Chris Cuomo
Well, look, one of the reasons that you're making the case to look at Alaska for mineral rights instead of Ukraine, once America signs that deal for the mineral rights, you know, that would trigger President Trump's ability to use military action in Ukraine to defend America's interests. So there's another wrinkle there. When I say Russia, you know, Russia going into all these civilian territories and bombing civilians actively, I mean, I Don't know how you get away from them having to pay back something that's happening in terms of a settlement agreement, you know, for all of the. They did so much civilian damage on purpose, so much infrastructure damage on purpose. And yeah, it's war, but last time I checked, when the war is over, you know, people have to pay depending on who's the perceived winner and loser. And it shouldn't be America, that's for sure, that rebuilds Ukraine.
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Sarah Palin
If the brightest minds in the world are around a table and that's what a presidential administration promises the people, you know, if that individual politician doesn't have all the answers, don't we all promise as politicians, we all say, oh, but I'm going to hire the very best, the brightest minds. Okay, brightest minds. Figure it out then. And I don't say that naively, there are solutions. This particular issue of needing to be paid back, justifiably paid back because this was American taxpayers money that wasn't. Nobody was holding anybody to account and where that money was going. And we want it back. Okay, I'm not all in favor though. I don't know all the details about being paid back. With mining developments in Ukraine. Brightest mice. What's another option? It can't just be rare earths. And it's funny, Chris, that an issue that really grows legs and runs. Runs. Runs an issue. A good example of that is this, that all of a sudden we're going to make Ukraine pay us back. And yeah, there's still a lot of corruption over there and we don't know where all that money is. We'll go find out where all the money is and get it. You don't just automatically think that it's gotta be paid back via minerals and rare earths when we have them right here in America in Alaska. And that one issue though, that one solution is really grown legs. And that's what everybody now all of a sudden the last couple days is assuming. Okay, that's the best solution. No, I want to hear what some other possibilities are because you make a great point here. It is not just the fact of relying on a foreign country soil to be developed for our benefit to energize America with, with minerals. But it's gonna, it could be a tool to justify military action to protect it. I don't think people have, I haven't heard people talk about that angle yet, Chris, and that's good to hear.
- [59:33]
Chris Cuomo
Sarah Palin, I appreciate you. Thank you for the opportunity to have a talk. Thank you for accepting my invitation. You're always welcome wherever I am.
- [59:43]
Sarah Palin
Hey, thanks. And I dressed more modestly on purpose so that you wouldn't take any heat for being the host asking questions of someone who was wearing high heeled boots or whatever the problem was last time.
- [59:55]
Chris Cuomo
Yes. It's already difficult to interview you because you are distractingly attractive. So thank you for trying to tamp that down. Sarah, thank you.
- [60:04]
Sarah Palin
Hey, thank you so much. I appreciate you. Thanks.
- [60:11]
Chris Cuomo
Governor, Alaska. One time vice presidential nominee for the Republican Party, Sarah Palin says she's still ready to serve, but boy, oh boy, her place in history will certainly be preserved. She was a big flashpoint of a change in how nominees were picked and how candidates were weighed. And she is still getting so much attention every time she makes her witness. So it's good to have her do it. Here on the Chris Cuomo Project. We'll see how it plays. Thanks for subscribing. Thank you for following. Thank you for being with me at News Nation, AP and 11p every weekday night. Remember, be an independent, critical thinker. Wear your independence. Get the free agent gear you want, the podcast ad free. You want to learn about what I'm doing to keep myself in a shape that's a little bit less than a pear? Subscribe to the substack. Five bucks a month, 50 bucks a year at a discount there. You get the podcast ad free. You get all my wellness tips. You get all the stuff I've learned about Long Covid from my doctor and her longevity tips. All there. What a bargain. Let's get after it.