04.21.25 GOLD As An Asset / The Best Cell Phone Plan For You - The Clark Howard Podcast

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Clark Howard
It'S my pleasure to welcome you here to the Clark Howard Show. You know our mission to serve you with advice and information that empowers you so you make better financial decisions in your life. Today I'm talking gold and other precious metals. Should you be buying up gold right now because of the tumult and the stock and bond markets also probably seen. Gosh, it's like the biggest ad category it feels like of any now ads from the big cell phone carriers. Is this your signal that you're in play that you should switch? Well, I'll tell you what I think and also I'm going to take your questions. If you have a question for us, please send it to clark.com/ask. So gold has been a pretty lousy holding for a good long time until recently and the value of gold has skyrocketed. I don't know if inflation adjusted it's at the highest price ever, but it's at a very, very pricey point. And as luck would have it, I'm being asked so many questions out and about about gold. I was in Costco actually day before yesterday picking up prescriptions and I got stopped by one person asking me if it was a good idea to buy gold from Costco.com the other person was asking me how much of their portfolio should be gold and these were unrelated things just walking around the store and I was like I gotta talk about this because anytime there becomes such a buzz and the value goes up, that's when something suddenly becomes over loved. Is there any expression like that, too much love coming its way for your own good? So having gold and precious metals is part of what you do as a hedge against uncertain or bad times is fine commodities. Gold, silver, whatever. But particularly gold and silver, platinum, whatever they, other than being used for jewelry, they don't actually make anything. They're a storage of value. And so over the long haul they don't create value like investments in profit making or what you hope are profit making enterprises. And so you don't overplay your hand here. I mean most investment professionals would say if you want to have hedges like gold or whatever, somewhere like 3, 5% of what you have. I mean the highest I've ever seen is like 7 or 8%. It's not the game. You don't go and hide in gold. First of all, it's a pain to buy, more of a pain to sell. You have the very large buy, sells, buy, sell, spread. You got to store it. I hope it doesn't get stolen. The most efficient way to do it is to buy a gold fund, a gold exchange traded fund, which is a very simple thing to do and a much less costly way to hedge a certain amount of risk by having gold. One thing about it, and there's been a lot of confusion about it, I had a question about it a couple of months ago. Having gold in an ira, so much hassle, you don't know. And especially when you get older, it's really bad owning physical gold inside of an IRA because of something known as RMDs. If you're younger, don't even worry about what an RMD is required minimum distribution. It's complicated, but you could own a gold ETF inside an ira. The advantage of that is gold. Precious metals are subject to higher punitive taxes than regular real investments. But especially now, don't be a Johnny come lately to the gold thing or precious metals because they've gone up so much in value that when market conditions settle down, you have a greater chance that the value is going to go down, even if there's a spike moving forward from now. And it's like Clark's an idiot. Look, he said, you know, it spiked, could spike more from here. But gold can be volatile in price during times of market uncertainty, market panic. So yes, it can play a role, but don't overdo it. And remember, I love the ETFs so much more than having physical gold. And even though it is true, as I told the person in Costco two days ago, that owning physical gold that you buy from Costco is the best way to buy physical gold that exists when you go to sell It Costco is not the buyer buying it from you. You have to go sell on those terrible exchanges where you pay the big sell cost, the buy sell spread when you go to sell it.
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Caller
Are you ready for some questions?
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Clark Howard
I sure am.
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Caller
Okay. This came in from Noreen in Ohio. This is not a political question about the tariff issue. If Clark thinks tariffs are bad, I would like to know his opinion on all the other countries that have had ridiculous amounts of tariffs on the USA for many years, yet nothing is ever said about it. And a lot of people wrote in with this question.
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Clark Howard
Yeah, and it's a great question. And by the way, when other countries have tariff barriers is preexisted, they're not just targeted at the US they're all other countries that are exporting to them and they're the big loser in that country. It gives them lower economic growth. It means they have an inferior selection of goods at higher prices. And tariffs have been proven over the years to be the most harmful. Not to the country that would try to export to the country with tariffs. It's to the country that puts those tariff walls up their citizens and the country itself is harmed with lower economic growth. So I despise tariffs. I don't like tariffs in any case at all. China, though, I said any case at all. China is the big question mark because China is such a large exporter of goods. And there's a lot of allegations that China has engaged in since 2001 in unfair trade practices. What does that mean? That there are subsidies that the Chinese Communist Party has provided to certain companies to produce goods that without those subsidies, they would be selling the goods in the marketplace at a loss. That's why China is kind of a unique circumstance and situation. But as a general rule, countries that impose tariffs on us as an exporter selling goods to their country and their citizens or any other country selling as an exporter to them, the real loser is that country that imposes the tariffs. Period.
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Caller
Can I also ask you, because I had asked you about this and you sent me a Wall Street Journal article that did an explanation that some of the numbers were really about trade deficits. Is that right?
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Clark Howard
Oh, yeah. I mean, that's such the chart. Again, gosh, I don't want. We don't do a political show, but I have to point out that that chart that the president put up on, was it called Liberty Day or whatever that was coined by the White House? That chart was not accurate because it was also including in it trade deficit, but did not include current account deficits. All the rest did not include all the services. This United States is a service powerhouse to the world with real meaningful exports that generate enormous income for the country. And so the whole thing of like, well, we're going to do to you what you do to us was really not an accurate representation.
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Caller
And we'll put the link to the Wall Street Journal article, maybe that'll.
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Clark Howard
Or any publication is written about that.
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Caller
Allison in Georgia says I'm hearing the value of the dollar will likely decline. Is it a good idea to exchange funds in savings from dollars to another currency when this happens? Euro or pound?
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Clark Howard
So it's hard plan what's known as the Forex market. It's hard for an individual, unless you're an extremely wealthy individual or an institutional setting or something like that, to play the currency markets. And the President has stated his desire for the dollar to decline in value. And there are specific reasons for that that I'm not even going to get into right now. So the question of what the value of the dollar is going to be going forward versus other currencies becomes a tough game to play. How would I be playing it? It's what I said weeks ago that I have a meaningful part of my investment portfolio. About a third is, more precisely about 35% invested overseas. I've had that for a while. And so when the dollar was going up and up in value, that was hurting me, having roughly a third of my investments overseas. Now, if the dollar does decline, there's real benefit to me. It's part of spreading out your risks. And it's the easiest way for a consumer to play this. Now, I know there are people who use Revolut as a way to hold different foreign currency holdings, and Revolut's an affordable way to do it. But this is a pretty difficult game for an everyday consumer or investor to play.
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Caller
And this one came in from Viv in Florida. Being avid listeners to your program, we thank you for all the advice you've given us as we try to follow everything that's applicable to us. I'm 58, my husband's 55, and going through deja vu all over again. I was supposed to open a business with less than $50,000 back in May of 2020 when the pandemic hit, we canceled just before signing a lease. When everything shut down In March of 2020, we moved to Florida. Since then, last year, he was finally on board for me to pursue opening a business. So I stopped work while he works full time. For the past eight months, I've negotiated and put a plan together. And just today a draft for the lease was presented to me to sign to start this new business. We'll pull about $100,000 from our savings from CDs and high yield savings account. We'd be left with approximately $120,000 in our 401k which we understand is going to be volatile at this point and another 50k in CDs. We do have about 500k in real estate equity and owe about $400,000 on a mortgage. The business itself would have been a sure thing if the economy is normal revolving around family and kids leisure. However, with fear of a depression, our concern is that families will be limited to disposable income and this business would take a hit. I'm reaching out for advice as this has been eight months in the planning and all we have to do now is sign and go opening the doors. Am I crazy in starting something right now? Would you risk a new business today? If I do put this on hold, I risk losing a great site. Thank you tremendously so Viv.
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Clark Howard
There's never the perfect moment to be out there. As an entrepreneur there's always things that will cause self doubt. I believe that there's advantage starting a business during a time that people are pessimistic. Now the conditions of the economy are still strong. Leasing space right now is pretty expensive, the vacancy rates very low. It's really later in an economic cycle that conditions are more favorable to sign a lease and start a business. But I want to go back to something you said. Would it be terrible to start a business that is based on families being willing to spend discretionary income to come to your business? Because the possibility of a depression, the odds of a depression are very low. Even though if, if we did go into an all out extended trade war in the world, history shows that it has a great likelihood of leading to a depression. I don't believe that we're going to be in an extremely extended trade war that could lead to a depression. The uncertainty of today and whatever tariffs stay in effect for whatever period of time could lead to will lead to a slowdown in the economy and could lead to a recession. But that would not be a reason for you to not go forward. One thing though I do want you to think about with this business is you know, the cash it's requiring for day one. You have to have as part of your business plan and know how you're going to fund initial losses that with a new business opening up new location that you could cover six to 18 months of initial losses. It's even if the business ends up being a roaring success, it is common that you'll go through a period of time that you will have losses that you have to be prepared to cover as the business finds its way in the marketplace, finds its customer base and hits break even and then beyond. But I love the entrepreneurial spirit. I hear the fire in the belly and what you've said and I think if your overall finances feel good enough to do this at this time, go for it. Coming up ahead, advertising like crazy from the cell phone carriers right now. And the ads are very defensive in nature, not offensive. Why does that signal to me that there's real opportunity for you? I'm going to tell you straight ahead what you should be doing for your wallet.
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Clark Howard
So the tone of cell phone advertising has shifted very heavily. If you watch the ads from AT&T, Verizon and T Mobile, they overplayed their hand. All three of them, pushed up rates so much on their customers and kept thinking, oh, nobody's going to notice this increase, nobody's going to notice that new fee, nobody's going to notice that we're taking away this automatic payment discount. Well, the cumulative effect, people are angry, they're frustrated. And you're not trapped, you are not trapped by the troika by AT&T, Verizon and T Mobile, the gang of three cell phone carriers. Because yeah, they've run those rates up on you, but today you have more alternatives than ever to kick them to the curb. Verizon so realizes they overplayed their hand, that they're doing all this defensive advertising about a three year price lock that's also a tweak. @t mobile for T Mobile, telling people they were in price lock plans and then said, just kidding, just kidding, we're raising your rates and life's tough, but is it really? You have so much more power than you realize. So many options other than being with this Big three. Even with the big three, you can go to one of their discount brands that they own completely. And it was funny because I've read all these comparisons recently about the new Ultra Premium plan from Visible, which now is marketed by Verizon, is Visible by Verizon and the new Ultra Premium plan from them is half of what the same cell phone plan is from Verizon. And it's the same thing just for half the money. But that's just one tool in the toolbox I've talked about. There are so many alternative brand names that are owned by particularly T Mobile and Verizon. AT&T has not played this game as hard. They have cricket but not much else in terms of where they own a discount brand. And so if you are risk averse but you hate paying too much money, this is where I'd have you looked at the brands that Verizon uses to discount, the brands that T Mobile uses to discount, These are ones they own. And then you've got, well, cricket for AT and T. What are you doing over there at, at&t anyway? Anyway, then below them you've got all the independents that buy wholesale network access from the big three, but cell coverage service at a much, much lower price. And then the wild card, growing like crazy. The cable monsters have gotten big time into selling wireless service because what they do is they concentrate only in markets where they have their cable monopoly. And they all change the terms and conditions for people who buy Internet service from them to where they have the ability to. You're paying them for your monthly Internet service, and then they steal part of that capacity from you to provide cell phone service to people around you. So they're getting double use. You're getting to use the Internet and they're using what you're paying them for to provide cell phone service to people around them. Yeah, that's why the cable companies can offer it so cheap. And then when you're traveling somewhere that they don't offer blanket coverage for Internet, they buy capacity from wholesale from the big three and then provide you with service at what are potentially great prices, especially if you already buy Internet service for your home from a cable monster. They then offer wireless service, cell phone service, mobile service, whatever you want to call it at a much cheaper price than you're now paying. Buying it from one of the three. Gang of three. AT&T, Verizon, T Mobile. Let's try that. The Gang of Three. And if you are fed up with how Verizon, AT&T and T Mobile are charging you these ridiculous prices for your monthly mobile phone service, we have a tool I'm really proud of@clark.com our phone plan finder. Where you find it is you go to clark.com phone plan finder and you can put in your exact situation and we'll be able to help you find your alternatives that can save you money. Now, I just bashed the gang of three, but I want to say something positive about Verizon. Verizon, for its most premium plan, is geared towards the most affluent of Americans, now has significantly improved international service included in the plan at no additional cost. And the only company that offers better for people who travel regularly than what Verizon has just done is Google fi, which is so far head and shoulders above everybody else for people who travel outside the United States. Nobody's close. Krista.
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Caller
All right. This came in from Frederick in Missouri. I just received notice from my cell phone carrier that the $5 quote unquote discount I have been receiving for being enrolled in autopay is ending in two weeks. Since I use a credit card, if I switch to ACH, then I will receive a $10 discount per month. Would you consider it safe to allow this company to draft my bank account each month via ACH. My bill is $76 a month. The extra $5 if I do nothing amounts to almost 7%. Thanks.
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Clark Howard
And otherwise you're going to get a 7% greater discount or close to it based on the math. You said if you go to ACH now, we're going to see more and more of this. And I was having so much fun there bashing at and T Verizon and T Mobile. But this is actually about the ongoing war with us having the highest credit card rates for processing credit cards for merchants accepting cards in the world. And so you're going to see more and more businesses that used to be able to pay with an automatic charge to your credit card now going to something where they say nope, no deal for you anymore, but if you let us do ach. So what you can do, if you're worried about the security of using automated clearinghouse where they just come in and debit from your checking account, you set up a separate account at not where you normally bank or credit union where you put money in there for various ACHs. It makes it easy for you to monitor what ACHs are coming out by having it in a separate account. And you don't bet the farm on no hacks or anything like that from achievements. With your regular account, you need to pay rent, pay mortgage, pay car payment, pay all your bills.
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Caller
Sean in Alaska wrote this one. I've got a Charles Schwab checking account and debit card that I opened in the past based on your advice and having no foreign exchange transaction fees and ATM fee reimbursements. I recall using it in Mexico exceptionally well in 2016 for my first wedding. But I was curious if this is still the case for that account and and why it wouldn't be listed in the top checking accounts on your website due to the international travel benefit.
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Clark Howard
Great question. And we really work hard on having that best checking account list. And the reason Schwab didn't make the cut, and by comparison Fidelity did, is Fidelity pays, at least at this moment, a much higher interest rate on the funds in the checking account than Schwab does for people who travel. And so I do full disclosure. I have accounts with Schwab, Fidelity and Vanguard, but I do my equivalent my checking my banking with Schwab. And that's because I do travel outside the United states at least 60 days a year. I'm not in the United States. And so having access to the free ATMs is very, very valuable. To me, not paying foreign currency junk fees. Extremely valuable to me. So even though I don't get the higher interest of a lot of the checking accounts we list on our Best Checking Account Guide, Schwab did not make the cut because of the lousy interest.
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Caller
They pay Shannon, Georgia says medical bills, HSAs and credit cards oh my Clark thanks to technology, the process to be reimbursed for medical expense from an HSA account is rather simple versus having to submit paper claims and wait for payments, etc. However, I want to ensure that I'm not missing something crucial. Rather than use the debit card provided by my HSA account, I am opting to pay my medical bills via my regular rewards credit card. If there's no upcharge since the process is a breeze, I simply log into my HSA and submit the claim request for the same payment. I always put the bill information in the notes so I can tie it back and it's transferred out of my HSA into my bank account in a matter of days. This allows me to get the rewards on my credit card but ultimately still use the funds for my hsa. Am I missing something in this process that I need to consider now?
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Clark Howard
Shannon, I love the way you think because you're playing both ends of this game. You've got your triple tax benefit hsa. You're getting the reimbursement from the HSA in a way that also earns you tax free cash back on a credit card. I mean that's really, really awesome. There is one thing more awesome than what you're doing though. Depends on how solid your funds are. The best thing to do with an HSA is not use it. Isn't that a stupid thing for me to say? I mean you have it for pre tax benefit to pay medical bills that aren't covered by insurance. So why would I say the best thing to do is not use it? Because the best advantage with an HSA is to have the money invested in an HSA with like I mentioned fidelity a minute ago as an option and you have it invested where it grows through the years, tax free. And then much later in life when you're going to have more medical bills that are not reimbursed, you're going to have that tax free money. You got the tax deal up front, putting money in it grows tax free. You spend it tax free. And so time is your real friend here. If you need the money, you need it to pay the medical bills. But if you don't, deferring using the HSA is even better than what you're doing. Being able to squeeze all the advantage from reward cards as part of your use of the hsa. And if you have access to an HSA at work, if you're in a HSA eligible health plan and you're not contributing the hsa, do you know it's the one thing that should be a higher priority than saving? And Your employer provided 401k past a match and it's a higher priority than my beloved Roth ira. It's true. So have an absolutely wonderful day and I look so forward to being with you on Wednesday.
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Episode: April 21, 2025
Title: GOLD As An Asset / The Best Cell Phone Plan For You
Host: Clark Howard

Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Clark Howard Podcast, Clark delves into two primary topics: the viability of investing in gold amidst current market turmoil and navigating the saturated landscape of cell phone plans. Throughout the episode, Clark addresses listener questions, providing actionable advice to help listeners make informed financial decisions.

Section 1: GOLD As An Asset

Timestamp: [00:55] – [06:45]

Clark opens the discussion by examining the recent surge in gold prices. Historically considered a reliable hedge against economic uncertainty, gold has seen significant appreciation, prompting many to question whether it's the right time to invest.

Gold's Recent Performance: Clark notes that while gold has been a lackluster investment for an extended period, its value has recently skyrocketed, possibly reaching inflation-adjusted highs. He observes increased consumer interest, evidenced by multiple inquiries he received at Costco about purchasing gold.

"Anytime there becomes such a buzz and the value goes up, that's when something suddenly becomes over loved."
— Clark Howard [02:15]
Investment Strategy: Emphasizing moderation, Clark advises that gold and other precious metals should constitute only a small portion of an investment portfolio—ideally between 3% to 8%. He warns against overreliance on gold, highlighting its lack of intrinsic value creation compared to profit-generating investments.
Prefer ETFs Over Physical Gold: Clark recommends investing in gold exchange-traded funds (ETFs) over physical gold for efficiency and lower costs. He explains the complications of owning physical gold, such as storage concerns and higher buy-sell spreads.

"I love the ETFs so much more than having physical gold."
— Clark Howard [05:30]
Tax Considerations: Addressing tax implications, Clark points out that precious metals are subject to higher punitive taxes than regular investments. He also discusses the complexities of holding gold within an IRA, particularly concerning Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs).

"Especially when you get older, it's really bad owning physical gold inside of an IRA because of something known as RMDs."
— Clark Howard [04:50]
Market Volatility: Clark cautions listeners about the potential for gold prices to decline once the current market frenzy subsides, advising against late-stage investments in the precious metal.

"Don't be a Johnny come lately to the gold thing... you have a greater chance that the value is going to go down."
— Clark Howard [05:20]

Section 2: Listener Questions

Timestamp: [06:45] – [31:41]

Clark transitions to addressing listener inquiries, providing tailored advice on various financial concerns.

Tariffs and Trade Deficits
Caller: Noreen from Ohio
Question: Clark's opinion on other countries imposing tariffs on the USA.
Response: Clark expresses strong opposition to tariffs, explaining that they generally harm the imposing country's economy by reducing economic growth and increasing prices for consumers.
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 > "Countries that impose tariffs... the real loser is that country that imposes the tariffs."  
 > — *Clark Howard [07:05]*
```
He further clarifies misconceptions about trade deficits, emphasizing the importance of considering the broader current account, including services exports.
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 > "This United States is a service powerhouse to the world with real meaningful exports that generate enormous income."  
 > — *Clark Howard [09:10]*
```
Currency Exchange Due to Dollar Decline
Caller: Allison from Georgia
Question: Should she exchange savings from dollars to other currencies like the Euro or Pound?
Response: Clark advises against attempting to time the Forex market, highlighting its complexity for individual investors. He suggests maintaining a diversified investment portfolio, including overseas investments, to mitigate currency risks.
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 > "It's a pretty difficult game for an everyday consumer or investor to play."  
 > — *Clark Howard [10:25]*
```
Starting a Business Amid Economic Uncertainty
Caller: Viv from Florida
Question: Is it risky to start a new business now, considering potential economic downturns?
Response: Clark encourages entrepreneurial spirit, noting that economic pessimism can present unique opportunities. He advises ensuring sufficient financial cushions to cover initial business losses and emphasizes the low likelihood of an impending depression.
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 > "There's never the perfect moment to be out there... if your overall finances feel good enough to do this at this time, go for it."  
 > — *Clark Howard [13:39]*
```
ACH vs. Credit Card Payments for Discounts
Caller: Frederick from Missouri
Question: Is it safe to allow his cell phone company to draft his bank account via ACH to receive discounts?
Response: Clark explains the industry's shift from credit card payments to ACH due to high processing fees. He recommends setting up a separate bank account exclusively for ACH transactions to enhance security and monitor withdrawals.
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 > "Set up a separate account where you put money in there for various ACHs... it makes it easy for you to monitor what ACHs are coming out."  
 > — *Clark Howard [25:27]*
```
Charles Schwab Checking Account and International Benefits
Caller: Sean from Alaska
Question: Is the Charles Schwab checking account still beneficial for international travel, and why isn't it listed among top accounts?
Response: Clark acknowledges the account's strengths, such as no foreign transaction fees and ATM reimbursements. However, he notes that it wasn't listed in top checking accounts due to its lower interest rates compared to competitors like Fidelity.
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 > "Fidelity pays, at least at this moment, a much higher interest rate on the funds in the checking account than Schwab does."  
 > — *Clark Howard [27:17]*
```
Using HSA Funds with Credit Cards for Rewards
Caller: Shannon from Georgia
Question: Is she missing anything by paying medical bills with a rewards credit card and reimbursing her HSA?
Response: Clark praises Shannon's strategy of maximizing both HSA benefits and credit card rewards. He adds that the optimal approach is to invest HSA funds long-term to benefit from tax-free growth, advising against unnecessary withdrawals.
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 > "The best thing to do with an HSA is not use it... you have it invested where it grows through the years, tax free."  
 > — *Clark Howard [29:17]*
```

Section 3: The Best Cell Phone Plan For You

Timestamp: [18:48] – [31:41]

Clark shifts focus to the saturated cell phone market, critiquing the three major carriers—AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile—for their aggressive rate hikes and defensive advertising tactics.

Carrier Rate Increases: He highlights how major carriers have raised rates, eliminated discounts, and made service changes, causing consumer frustration.

"Verizon so realizes they overplayed their hand... just kidding, we're raising your rates."
— Clark Howard [24:00]
Alternative Options: Clark encourages listeners to explore alternatives beyond the big three, including discount brands owned by these carriers and independent service providers that offer competitive rates.

"You have more alternatives than ever to kick them to the curb."
— Clark Howard [20:10]
Discount Brands: He points out specific discount brands like Visible by Verizon, which offers comparable services at half the price of Verizon's standard plans.

"Visible by Verizon... is half of what the same cell phone plan is from Verizon."
— Clark Howard [22:30]
Cable Companies Entering Wireless Market: Clark explains how cable companies leverage their existing infrastructure to offer affordable cell phone services, often bundling them with internet plans for added savings.

"Cable companies can offer it so cheap... they provide cell phone service to people around them."
— Clark Howard [23:15]
Tool for Finding the Best Plan: He promotes his Phone Plan Finder tool available at clark.com/phone-plan-finder, designed to help listeners identify the most cost-effective cell phone plans tailored to their specific needs.

"You have a tool I'm really proud of... find your alternatives that can save you money."
— Clark Howard [24:30]
Positive Note on Verizon's International Service: Despite his criticisms, Clark acknowledges Verizon's enhanced international service offerings, positioning it as a strong option for frequent international travelers alongside competitors like Google Fi.

"Verizon... has significantly improved international service included in the plan at no additional cost."
— Clark Howard [24:55]

Conclusion

Clark Howard effectively navigates complex financial topics, offering balanced perspectives on gold investments and practical solutions for selecting affordable cell phone plans. By addressing listener questions with clarity and actionable advice, Clark empowers his audience to make informed financial decisions amidst economic uncertainties.

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[00:00]
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[00:56]
Clark Howard
It'S my pleasure to welcome you here to the Clark Howard Show. You know our mission to serve you with advice and information that empowers you so you make better financial decisions in your life. Today I'm talking gold and other precious metals. Should you be buying up gold right now because of the tumult and the stock and bond markets also probably seen. Gosh, it's like the biggest ad category it feels like of any now ads from the big cell phone carriers. Is this your signal that you're in play that you should switch? Well, I'll tell you what I think and also I'm going to take your questions. If you have a question for us, please send it to clark.com/ask. So gold has been a pretty lousy holding for a good long time until recently and the value of gold has skyrocketed. I don't know if inflation adjusted it's at the highest price ever, but it's at a very, very pricey point. And as luck would have it, I'm being asked so many questions out and about about gold. I was in Costco actually day before yesterday picking up prescriptions and I got stopped by one person asking me if it was a good idea to buy gold from Costco.com the other person was asking me how much of their portfolio should be gold and these were unrelated things just walking around the store and I was like I gotta talk about this because anytime there becomes such a buzz and the value goes up, that's when something suddenly becomes over loved. Is there any expression like that, too much love coming its way for your own good? So having gold and precious metals is part of what you do as a hedge against uncertain or bad times is fine commodities. Gold, silver, whatever. But particularly gold and silver, platinum, whatever they, other than being used for jewelry, they don't actually make anything. They're a storage of value. And so over the long haul they don't create value like investments in profit making or what you hope are profit making enterprises. And so you don't overplay your hand here. I mean most investment professionals would say if you want to have hedges like gold or whatever, somewhere like 3, 5% of what you have. I mean the highest I've ever seen is like 7 or 8%. It's not the game. You don't go and hide in gold. First of all, it's a pain to buy, more of a pain to sell. You have the very large buy, sells, buy, sell, spread. You got to store it. I hope it doesn't get stolen. The most efficient way to do it is to buy a gold fund, a gold exchange traded fund, which is a very simple thing to do and a much less costly way to hedge a certain amount of risk by having gold. One thing about it, and there's been a lot of confusion about it, I had a question about it a couple of months ago. Having gold in an ira, so much hassle, you don't know. And especially when you get older, it's really bad owning physical gold inside of an IRA because of something known as RMDs. If you're younger, don't even worry about what an RMD is required minimum distribution. It's complicated, but you could own a gold ETF inside an ira. The advantage of that is gold. Precious metals are subject to higher punitive taxes than regular real investments. But especially now, don't be a Johnny come lately to the gold thing or precious metals because they've gone up so much in value that when market conditions settle down, you have a greater chance that the value is going to go down, even if there's a spike moving forward from now. And it's like Clark's an idiot. Look, he said, you know, it spiked, could spike more from here. But gold can be volatile in price during times of market uncertainty, market panic. So yes, it can play a role, but don't overdo it. And remember, I love the ETFs so much more than having physical gold. And even though it is true, as I told the person in Costco two days ago, that owning physical gold that you buy from Costco is the best way to buy physical gold that exists when you go to sell It Costco is not the buyer buying it from you. You have to go sell on those terrible exchanges where you pay the big sell cost, the buy sell spread when you go to sell it.
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Caller
Are you ready for some questions?
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Clark Howard
I sure am.
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Caller
Okay. This came in from Noreen in Ohio. This is not a political question about the tariff issue. If Clark thinks tariffs are bad, I would like to know his opinion on all the other countries that have had ridiculous amounts of tariffs on the USA for many years, yet nothing is ever said about it. And a lot of people wrote in with this question.
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Clark Howard
Yeah, and it's a great question. And by the way, when other countries have tariff barriers is preexisted, they're not just targeted at the US they're all other countries that are exporting to them and they're the big loser in that country. It gives them lower economic growth. It means they have an inferior selection of goods at higher prices. And tariffs have been proven over the years to be the most harmful. Not to the country that would try to export to the country with tariffs. It's to the country that puts those tariff walls up their citizens and the country itself is harmed with lower economic growth. So I despise tariffs. I don't like tariffs in any case at all. China, though, I said any case at all. China is the big question mark because China is such a large exporter of goods. And there's a lot of allegations that China has engaged in since 2001 in unfair trade practices. What does that mean? That there are subsidies that the Chinese Communist Party has provided to certain companies to produce goods that without those subsidies, they would be selling the goods in the marketplace at a loss. That's why China is kind of a unique circumstance and situation. But as a general rule, countries that impose tariffs on us as an exporter selling goods to their country and their citizens or any other country selling as an exporter to them, the real loser is that country that imposes the tariffs. Period.
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Caller
Can I also ask you, because I had asked you about this and you sent me a Wall Street Journal article that did an explanation that some of the numbers were really about trade deficits. Is that right?
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Clark Howard
Oh, yeah. I mean, that's such the chart. Again, gosh, I don't want. We don't do a political show, but I have to point out that that chart that the president put up on, was it called Liberty Day or whatever that was coined by the White House? That chart was not accurate because it was also including in it trade deficit, but did not include current account deficits. All the rest did not include all the services. This United States is a service powerhouse to the world with real meaningful exports that generate enormous income for the country. And so the whole thing of like, well, we're going to do to you what you do to us was really not an accurate representation.
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Caller
And we'll put the link to the Wall Street Journal article, maybe that'll.
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Clark Howard
Or any publication is written about that.
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Caller
Allison in Georgia says I'm hearing the value of the dollar will likely decline. Is it a good idea to exchange funds in savings from dollars to another currency when this happens? Euro or pound?
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Clark Howard
So it's hard plan what's known as the Forex market. It's hard for an individual, unless you're an extremely wealthy individual or an institutional setting or something like that, to play the currency markets. And the President has stated his desire for the dollar to decline in value. And there are specific reasons for that that I'm not even going to get into right now. So the question of what the value of the dollar is going to be going forward versus other currencies becomes a tough game to play. How would I be playing it? It's what I said weeks ago that I have a meaningful part of my investment portfolio. About a third is, more precisely about 35% invested overseas. I've had that for a while. And so when the dollar was going up and up in value, that was hurting me, having roughly a third of my investments overseas. Now, if the dollar does decline, there's real benefit to me. It's part of spreading out your risks. And it's the easiest way for a consumer to play this. Now, I know there are people who use Revolut as a way to hold different foreign currency holdings, and Revolut's an affordable way to do it. But this is a pretty difficult game for an everyday consumer or investor to play.
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Caller
And this one came in from Viv in Florida. Being avid listeners to your program, we thank you for all the advice you've given us as we try to follow everything that's applicable to us. I'm 58, my husband's 55, and going through deja vu all over again. I was supposed to open a business with less than $50,000 back in May of 2020 when the pandemic hit, we canceled just before signing a lease. When everything shut down In March of 2020, we moved to Florida. Since then, last year, he was finally on board for me to pursue opening a business. So I stopped work while he works full time. For the past eight months, I've negotiated and put a plan together. And just today a draft for the lease was presented to me to sign to start this new business. We'll pull about $100,000 from our savings from CDs and high yield savings account. We'd be left with approximately $120,000 in our 401k which we understand is going to be volatile at this point and another 50k in CDs. We do have about 500k in real estate equity and owe about $400,000 on a mortgage. The business itself would have been a sure thing if the economy is normal revolving around family and kids leisure. However, with fear of a depression, our concern is that families will be limited to disposable income and this business would take a hit. I'm reaching out for advice as this has been eight months in the planning and all we have to do now is sign and go opening the doors. Am I crazy in starting something right now? Would you risk a new business today? If I do put this on hold, I risk losing a great site. Thank you tremendously so Viv.
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Clark Howard
There's never the perfect moment to be out there. As an entrepreneur there's always things that will cause self doubt. I believe that there's advantage starting a business during a time that people are pessimistic. Now the conditions of the economy are still strong. Leasing space right now is pretty expensive, the vacancy rates very low. It's really later in an economic cycle that conditions are more favorable to sign a lease and start a business. But I want to go back to something you said. Would it be terrible to start a business that is based on families being willing to spend discretionary income to come to your business? Because the possibility of a depression, the odds of a depression are very low. Even though if, if we did go into an all out extended trade war in the world, history shows that it has a great likelihood of leading to a depression. I don't believe that we're going to be in an extremely extended trade war that could lead to a depression. The uncertainty of today and whatever tariffs stay in effect for whatever period of time could lead to will lead to a slowdown in the economy and could lead to a recession. But that would not be a reason for you to not go forward. One thing though I do want you to think about with this business is you know, the cash it's requiring for day one. You have to have as part of your business plan and know how you're going to fund initial losses that with a new business opening up new location that you could cover six to 18 months of initial losses. It's even if the business ends up being a roaring success, it is common that you'll go through a period of time that you will have losses that you have to be prepared to cover as the business finds its way in the marketplace, finds its customer base and hits break even and then beyond. But I love the entrepreneurial spirit. I hear the fire in the belly and what you've said and I think if your overall finances feel good enough to do this at this time, go for it. Coming up ahead, advertising like crazy from the cell phone carriers right now. And the ads are very defensive in nature, not offensive. Why does that signal to me that there's real opportunity for you? I'm going to tell you straight ahead what you should be doing for your wallet.
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Clark Howard
So the tone of cell phone advertising has shifted very heavily. If you watch the ads from AT&T, Verizon and T Mobile, they overplayed their hand. All three of them, pushed up rates so much on their customers and kept thinking, oh, nobody's going to notice this increase, nobody's going to notice that new fee, nobody's going to notice that we're taking away this automatic payment discount. Well, the cumulative effect, people are angry, they're frustrated. And you're not trapped, you are not trapped by the troika by AT&T, Verizon and T Mobile, the gang of three cell phone carriers. Because yeah, they've run those rates up on you, but today you have more alternatives than ever to kick them to the curb. Verizon so realizes they overplayed their hand, that they're doing all this defensive advertising about a three year price lock that's also a tweak. @t mobile for T Mobile, telling people they were in price lock plans and then said, just kidding, just kidding, we're raising your rates and life's tough, but is it really? You have so much more power than you realize. So many options other than being with this Big three. Even with the big three, you can go to one of their discount brands that they own completely. And it was funny because I've read all these comparisons recently about the new Ultra Premium plan from Visible, which now is marketed by Verizon, is Visible by Verizon and the new Ultra Premium plan from them is half of what the same cell phone plan is from Verizon. And it's the same thing just for half the money. But that's just one tool in the toolbox I've talked about. There are so many alternative brand names that are owned by particularly T Mobile and Verizon. AT&T has not played this game as hard. They have cricket but not much else in terms of where they own a discount brand. And so if you are risk averse but you hate paying too much money, this is where I'd have you looked at the brands that Verizon uses to discount, the brands that T Mobile uses to discount, These are ones they own. And then you've got, well, cricket for AT and T. What are you doing over there at, at&t anyway? Anyway, then below them you've got all the independents that buy wholesale network access from the big three, but cell coverage service at a much, much lower price. And then the wild card, growing like crazy. The cable monsters have gotten big time into selling wireless service because what they do is they concentrate only in markets where they have their cable monopoly. And they all change the terms and conditions for people who buy Internet service from them to where they have the ability to. You're paying them for your monthly Internet service, and then they steal part of that capacity from you to provide cell phone service to people around you. So they're getting double use. You're getting to use the Internet and they're using what you're paying them for to provide cell phone service to people around them. Yeah, that's why the cable companies can offer it so cheap. And then when you're traveling somewhere that they don't offer blanket coverage for Internet, they buy capacity from wholesale from the big three and then provide you with service at what are potentially great prices, especially if you already buy Internet service for your home from a cable monster. They then offer wireless service, cell phone service, mobile service, whatever you want to call it at a much cheaper price than you're now paying. Buying it from one of the three. Gang of three. AT&T, Verizon, T Mobile. Let's try that. The Gang of Three. And if you are fed up with how Verizon, AT&T and T Mobile are charging you these ridiculous prices for your monthly mobile phone service, we have a tool I'm really proud of@clark.com our phone plan finder. Where you find it is you go to clark.com phone plan finder and you can put in your exact situation and we'll be able to help you find your alternatives that can save you money. Now, I just bashed the gang of three, but I want to say something positive about Verizon. Verizon, for its most premium plan, is geared towards the most affluent of Americans, now has significantly improved international service included in the plan at no additional cost. And the only company that offers better for people who travel regularly than what Verizon has just done is Google fi, which is so far head and shoulders above everybody else for people who travel outside the United States. Nobody's close. Krista.
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Caller
All right. This came in from Frederick in Missouri. I just received notice from my cell phone carrier that the $5 quote unquote discount I have been receiving for being enrolled in autopay is ending in two weeks. Since I use a credit card, if I switch to ACH, then I will receive a $10 discount per month. Would you consider it safe to allow this company to draft my bank account each month via ACH. My bill is $76 a month. The extra $5 if I do nothing amounts to almost 7%. Thanks.
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Clark Howard
And otherwise you're going to get a 7% greater discount or close to it based on the math. You said if you go to ACH now, we're going to see more and more of this. And I was having so much fun there bashing at and T Verizon and T Mobile. But this is actually about the ongoing war with us having the highest credit card rates for processing credit cards for merchants accepting cards in the world. And so you're going to see more and more businesses that used to be able to pay with an automatic charge to your credit card now going to something where they say nope, no deal for you anymore, but if you let us do ach. So what you can do, if you're worried about the security of using automated clearinghouse where they just come in and debit from your checking account, you set up a separate account at not where you normally bank or credit union where you put money in there for various ACHs. It makes it easy for you to monitor what ACHs are coming out by having it in a separate account. And you don't bet the farm on no hacks or anything like that from achievements. With your regular account, you need to pay rent, pay mortgage, pay car payment, pay all your bills.
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Caller
Sean in Alaska wrote this one. I've got a Charles Schwab checking account and debit card that I opened in the past based on your advice and having no foreign exchange transaction fees and ATM fee reimbursements. I recall using it in Mexico exceptionally well in 2016 for my first wedding. But I was curious if this is still the case for that account and and why it wouldn't be listed in the top checking accounts on your website due to the international travel benefit.
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Clark Howard
Great question. And we really work hard on having that best checking account list. And the reason Schwab didn't make the cut, and by comparison Fidelity did, is Fidelity pays, at least at this moment, a much higher interest rate on the funds in the checking account than Schwab does for people who travel. And so I do full disclosure. I have accounts with Schwab, Fidelity and Vanguard, but I do my equivalent my checking my banking with Schwab. And that's because I do travel outside the United states at least 60 days a year. I'm not in the United States. And so having access to the free ATMs is very, very valuable. To me, not paying foreign currency junk fees. Extremely valuable to me. So even though I don't get the higher interest of a lot of the checking accounts we list on our Best Checking Account Guide, Schwab did not make the cut because of the lousy interest.
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Caller
They pay Shannon, Georgia says medical bills, HSAs and credit cards oh my Clark thanks to technology, the process to be reimbursed for medical expense from an HSA account is rather simple versus having to submit paper claims and wait for payments, etc. However, I want to ensure that I'm not missing something crucial. Rather than use the debit card provided by my HSA account, I am opting to pay my medical bills via my regular rewards credit card. If there's no upcharge since the process is a breeze, I simply log into my HSA and submit the claim request for the same payment. I always put the bill information in the notes so I can tie it back and it's transferred out of my HSA into my bank account in a matter of days. This allows me to get the rewards on my credit card but ultimately still use the funds for my hsa. Am I missing something in this process that I need to consider now?
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Clark Howard
Shannon, I love the way you think because you're playing both ends of this game. You've got your triple tax benefit hsa. You're getting the reimbursement from the HSA in a way that also earns you tax free cash back on a credit card. I mean that's really, really awesome. There is one thing more awesome than what you're doing though. Depends on how solid your funds are. The best thing to do with an HSA is not use it. Isn't that a stupid thing for me to say? I mean you have it for pre tax benefit to pay medical bills that aren't covered by insurance. So why would I say the best thing to do is not use it? Because the best advantage with an HSA is to have the money invested in an HSA with like I mentioned fidelity a minute ago as an option and you have it invested where it grows through the years, tax free. And then much later in life when you're going to have more medical bills that are not reimbursed, you're going to have that tax free money. You got the tax deal up front, putting money in it grows tax free. You spend it tax free. And so time is your real friend here. If you need the money, you need it to pay the medical bills. But if you don't, deferring using the HSA is even better than what you're doing. Being able to squeeze all the advantage from reward cards as part of your use of the hsa. And if you have access to an HSA at work, if you're in a HSA eligible health plan and you're not contributing the hsa, do you know it's the one thing that should be a higher priority than saving? And Your employer provided 401k past a match and it's a higher priority than my beloved Roth ira. It's true. So have an absolutely wonderful day and I look so forward to being with you on Wednesday.
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Sally French
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