Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 18 2026

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Daily Review with Clay and Buck – May 18, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Date: May 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the start of the 2026 primary election season, covering major Republican primaries, Trump's continuing influence on GOP politics, and the broader national mood going into a pivotal "double-hater" midterm cycle. The hosts explore recent political upsets, the implications for upcoming races, developing stories concerning U.S. policy on Iran and Cuba, and interview Georgia Senate candidate Derek Dooley. The second half features a passionate discussion on the dangers of "suicidal empathy" in Western culture with guest Dr. Gad Saad, author of Suicidal Empathy: Dying to Be Kind. Throughout, the show balances sharp political analysis with moments of humor and cultural commentary.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Republican Primary Landscape and Trump’s Enduring Influence

(Segment: 02:36–11:49)

• Louisiana Primary Shock:
  • Incumbent Republican Senator Cassidy lost his primary bid, notably not even making the runoff—a rare event since 2012.
  • Clay underscores Trump’s influence, pointing out Cassidy’s loss came after Trump mobilized against him and endorsed Julia Letlow, who won the early vote decisively.
• Upcoming Primaries:
  • Six major state primaries (Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon, Pennsylvania) are imminent. The show's focus: assessing Trump's influence on these races.
• Trump's Internal Party Targets:
  • Having "taken out" his first two major targets in the GOP, Trump now sets his sights on Rep. Thomas Massie in Kentucky’s 4th District, supporting his challenger, Ed Galrine.
  • Clay: “We’ll see if President Trump can go 3-for-3… in the Republican Party in primary season.” (06:39)
• Voter Turnout:
  • Buck stresses that primaries, especially in "red states," are critical: “You’re going to make sure that you keep the rhinos if you don’t vote in the primary.” (07:20)
• Current Political Climate:
  • The hosts discuss a “double hater” environment: Both parties are deeply disliked, but inflation and cost of living remain the top voter concerns.
• California GOP Energy:
  • Clay notes historic surges in Republican ballots, suggesting strong turnout and motivation for candidates like Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco. “Republican ballots [in CA] are through the roof relative to historic averages.” (09:54)

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2. The Significance of Primaries and the "Double-Hater" Midterms

(Segment: 06:52–10:50)

• Primary Turnout:
  • Buck: “Primaries matter… in red states certainly more than a lot of people realize.” (06:52)
• Upcoming Key Contests:
  • Focus on Kentucky’s Thomas Massie race as the next Trump-led battleground.
  • On Dem battlegrounds: “Do any of these guys that are challenging Democrats have the ability to punch through?” (08:44)
• Midterm Outlook:
  • Both predict a highly volatile, turnout-driven midterm with unprecedented voter unease about both parties.
  • Clay: “This is a double hater environment where lots of people are unhappy. And the number one thing is cost, which has skyrocketed since Joe Biden allowed inflation to go to 9%…” (09:45)
• Early Voting Data:
  • Encouraging early indicators, especially in California, suggest Republicans are energized.

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3. Trump Administration’s Foreign Policy Focus

(Segment: 12:32–17:00)

• Iran and Potential Strikes:
  • Clay hints at possible renewed military action against Iran: “President Trump has got a meeting tomorrow… and seems inclined to begin strikes anew on Iran.” (12:32)
  • Discusses Trump’s unpredictable negotiation style and the possibility of using military pressure for diplomatic leverage.
  • Buck is “trusting in Trump” but skeptical about promises of swift resolution, drawing parallels to the administration’s promises about Ukraine (“going to fix it in one day”—14:13).
  • Both agree: Best approach may be to “declare a short-term victory… let the midterms happen and then really go to town [on Iran].” (16:09)

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4. Developments in Cuba and Potential American Policy Shifts

(Segment: 24:24–35:33)

• CIA Director’s Visit to Cuba:
  • Buck calls Cuba a “mafia state” and outlines newly declassified concerns that Cuba is acquiring military drones for possible attacks.
  • Both hosts are skeptical: “They can’t keep the lights on at night anywhere… but they’re going to start hitting us with drones?” (25:55)
• Collapse of Communism in Cuba:
  • Clay expects imminent regime change as U.S. pressure, and isolation bites: “I think that Cuba is going to fall as a communist state… just a question of how and when.” (27:18)
  • Analogy to “Angry Birds” (mistakenly called “flying pigs” by Clay—comic moment at 28:50), where removing Venezuela and Mexican support was like pulling the support beam.
• Cuban-American Property Claims:
  • Clay highlights the challenge of restitution and claims from U.S. citizens whose families had assets seized post-revolution.
• CIA Leverage:
  • Buck speculates the U.S. “offer” is: “You can either be on the good guy side of this, or you can be on the Delta guys kicking in your door at 3am… that’s where this is.” (31:24)
• Future of Cuba:
  • Both hosts are “cautiously optimistic” for a transition to freer society, but expect significant U.S. aid and challenges integrating Cuba into the global economy.

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5. Georgia Senatorial Primary: Interview with Derek Dooley

(Segment: 38:13–48:54)

Guest: Derek Dooley, Republican Senate Candidate in Georgia

• Ground Campaign:
  • Dooley has traveled “35,000 miles” across Georgia, emphasizing grassroots outreach. “The surge in the polling has started to show. There’s just a lot of excitement on the ground.” (38:34)
• Why Challenge Ossoff:
  • Dooley critiques Ossoff for supporting Biden 98% of the time and says, “He doesn't represent Georgia… We need a candidate who can educate the people about what he stands for.” (41:01)
• Endorsement by Brian Kemp:
  • Dooley is backed by outgoing Governor Kemp, “the most popular…” in state history. Dooley notes Kemp’s endorsement is about wanting to win: “He’s not just saying he’s for me, he’s actually been on the road campaigning, working hard.” (43:23)
• Georgia’s Political Dynamics:
  • Dooley stresses the importance of a candidate who can “energize the Republican Trump voters,” but also appeal to swing voters. “You need someone who can find common ground … voters that don’t always vote Republican.” (45:11)
• Primary Mechanics:
  • If no one gets 50%, a runoff is triggered: “The clubhouse leader was undecided. Over 50% were undecided. When we started our ‘Georgia First Contract,’ everybody started falling our way.” (46:51)
• National Stakes:
  • Clay: “If you and/or the Republican Party can win this Senate seat and beat Ossoff, there is no math basically by which [Democrats] can take control of the Senate.” (47:40)

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6. “Suicidal Empathy”: Cultural Critique with Dr. Gad Saad

(Segment: 53:05–67:56)

Guest: Dr. Gad Saad, author of Suicidal Empathy: Dying to Be Kind

• Definition and Examples:
  • Suicidal empathy is when compassion is so misguided it becomes self-harmful to individuals or society.
  • Example: NYC assault case—victim declines to prosecute attacker over racial concerns, leading to further violence.
    Saad: “When a Haitian man rapes a white woman on a rooftop, it's really whites who are to blame. There's your suicidal empathy.” (54:22)
• Origins of the Problem:
  • Saad says it's both a brain misfire and a product of “godless leftist progressive social justice dogma.” (55:53)
  • Points to universities as the source: “Every single parasitic idea… all stem from professors because it uniquely takes intellectuals to come up with some of the most devastatingly imbecilic ideas.” (59:34)
• Policing and Grooming Gangs:
  • Discussion of British rape gangs:
    Buck: “I do not like this term grooming gangs… they are rape gangs.” (60:17) Saad: “Imagine if, in your moral calculus, protecting children is less important than protecting the rapists of our children because of their ‘heritage’… This is what happens when your mind is fully parasitized.” (62:04)
• How to Fix It:
  • Saad: “You literally have to administer a mind vaccine… eradicate those ideas.” (58:48)
• Optimism vs. Pessimism:
  • Saad is "optimistic" solutions exist, but pessimistic the West will implement them: “I see no evidence that the west is remotely interested in implementing those auto corrections. They don't have the testicular fortitude.” (64:36)
  • Buck offers a silver lining: “I think people are actually beginning to get fed up with this at a critical mass.” (65:25)
  • Saad will soon join Ole Miss as a distinguished professor in American Freedom, offering hope: “The SADs are coming to rescue you.” (66:02)
• Social Media Changes under Musk:
  • Saad: “Of all the things that Elon has ever done… nothing is as important as him giving us back the public square of ideas.” (67:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Primary Voters and “Rhino-Keepers”:
  • Buck: “You're like the keeper of the rhinos if you were in a red state where you don't actually vote in the primary.” (07:20)
• On the Coming GOP Civil War:
  • Clay: “The Massie result will be the third significant 'how much sway does Trump still have in the Republican Party' result.” (11:49)
• On Suicidal Empathy (with Dr. Gad Saad):
  • Saad: “The wood cricket abhors water… but when parasitized by a hairworm… merrily jumps into water, happily commits suicide… That's exactly the white woman being raped… saying it's due to white supremacy… it's absolutely extraordinary.” (56:28)
• On Cuba:
  • Buck: “Cuba is just a mafia state. It's just a country run by an organized crime family known as the Castros. And… enough is enough.” (25:05)
• On Policing and British Scandals:
  • Buck: “I mean, you want to talk about time to march with the pitchforks and the torches… in the UK, they didn’t do anything [about child rape gangs].” (61:12)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:36 Start of main content: Louisiana primary results & Trump’s GOP sway
• 06:52 Importance of Republican primaries
• 12:32 Trump & Iran: discussions on renewed military action
• 24:24 Cuba: CIA Director’s visit, U.S. policy, and regime change prospects
• 38:13 Derek Dooley interview: Georgia Senate race
• 53:05 God Saad interview: "Suicidal Empathy" and Western cultural decline
• 67:17 The impact of Elon Musk’s Twitter acquisition on free speech

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Tone and Delivery

Clay and Buck maintain their trademark mix of sharp political opinion, cultural skepticism, and humor throughout the episode:

• They lampoon their own lack of outdoor skills in a playful "Survivor" segment (21:18),
• poke fun at generational gaps with a botched "Angry Birds" reference
• but always circle back to hard-hitting analysis and clear calls to action, particularly about voting and political engagement.

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If you missed the episode, this summary provides a comprehensive look at the political maneuvering at play in the early 2026 primaries, the perceived stakes for both parties, key foreign policy questions, and the challenges of misguided social compassion in the modern West.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in brand new week Monday Edition. Thanks all of you for hanging out with us. As is often the case, there are a tremendous bevy of stories that we are going to be following. Big results came in Saturday in the Louisiana primaries. A sitting incumbent, Senator Cassidy, has lost. He didn't even make the runoff. We will discuss that there are six primaries tomorrow, Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon and Pennsylvania as primary season is officially starting to kick into high gear. Spencer Pratt, Louisiana mayor battle governor battles underway and continuing there. Redistricting storylines galore. We have the Virginia Supreme Court speaking of sweet storylines, refusing to step in and do anything they shot down. We'll talk about that. The Democrat attempt to get them to get involved in their redistricting move. Cuba. What is going to happen with Cuba? I don't even know. We talked about it very much. The CIA director went into Cuba to meet and this is something fun. Pizza Hut is going back in time. Buck. I don't know if you've seen this story to the 1980s era pizza huts. If any of you remember going there and visiting with your families back in those days. Nostalgia is running rampant. We might have some fun with that. But we begin with Louisiana results setting the table for what is going to happen in the primaries going forward. And I would just say this, Buck. There has been a big discussion point about to what extent is Trump still the head of the Republican Party, what is his overall support? I would say we've gotten two pretty clear cut results so far that suggest President Trump is still by far leading the Republican Party when it comes to decisions, even as he begins the backstretch of his second term soon. Buck, we had in Indiana basically the state senators who refused to redistrict, almost all of them lost their jobs and the races weren't particularly close. And then on Saturday in Louisiana, President Trump suggested, endorsed, thoroughly campaigned for Julia Letlow. And not only did she win the overall early vote, there's a runoff and she's going to be the next senator from Louisiana, let me just put it that way. But significantly, I believe this was the first time since 2012 that an incumbent United States senator lost his primary in the in the early goings, the primary, not even the general election. And that was Senator Cassidy, who we've had on this program quite a few times. Trump mobilized against him and he didn't even make the runoff on the Republican Party side. He came in third overall. His political career, I would venture probably over. Why does that matter? The next real target for President Trump has been Representative Thomas Massie. Kentucky in the 4th congressional district, President Trump has decided that he wants him out. He is supporting his opponent in this race. And Ed Galrine, this is going to be another one to really pay attention to on Cowshi and in Polymarket. Gowrine over the weekend surged to favored in this race in the prediction markets. So we'll see. Buck, if President Trump can go 3 for 3 in terms of his targets in the Republican Party in primary season and we say early go vote Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon, Pennsylvania. Tomorrow is your primary. Go select good candidates that could win in the general election.

[Buck Sexton]

Primaries matter. They matter even more in many ways in red states certainly than I think a lot of people realize. Because if you get complacent, you know, I see all these people that live in red states and they'll say, oh, our senator is, is a Rhino, or our congressman is a, you know, is a backstabber when it comes to the Trump agenda. And I go, well, who'd you vote

[Clay Travis]

for in the primary?

[Buck Sexton]

And, oh, I don't, I don't, I didn't vote. I only vote in the general.

[Clay Travis]

I vote Republican.

[Buck Sexton]

The general. You go, okay, well, you're going to make sure that you keep the rhinos. You're like the keeper of the rhinos if you were in a red state. And I guess that would be a rhino keeper, a red state where you don't actually vote in the primary. So a few things that we see from this. One is we're entering this election season very soon, very quickly. And two, Trump still has a whole lot of sway on the GOP side of things, even though he's not on the ballot certainly on the primary side. MAGA can organize and have its voice be heard in very meaningful ways that shape the trajectory of the overall election and with it, of course, the Congress. So we are here in almost in June and Clay, this midterm season is going to be, remember in the summer we get a little bit of that lull. And then in August, you have all these members of Congress going home and there'll be some town halls and some of them will get booed at and some of them will say stupid things and we'll talk about that on radio. But it goes very rapidly.

[Clay Travis]

It does. And again, we will see what happens with the race in Kentucky with Thomas Massie. That then to me, Buck is kind of the turn the page at that point in time. I don't think President Trump has really come after anybody else in the Republican primaries and we will see whether Massie ends up winning or not. And then I think the question is going to turn into at 2pm we're going to talk with Derek Dooley. He's running in Georgia. To me, the question then becomes we know Mike Rogers is going to be the nominee in Michigan, I believe. We know Michelle Tafoya is going to be the nominee in Minnesota. We know who the nominee is going to be in New Hampshire. We know that, that our friend in Michael Watley is going to be the nominee in North Carolina. Do any of these guys that are challenging Democrats have the ability to punch through? And then look, I mean, the Senate battleground of John Hustead in Ohio, we're going to figure out who the winner is in Texas, what happens in Iowa and how does Susan Collins do. I mean, there's a big battleground that in the next couple of weeks is going to officially be locked in and we will just see what ends up happening as, as all of this plays out going forward. So primary season, Alabama's got to pick a new senator because we've got Tommy Tuberville who's going to be leaving. Marsha Blackburn is going to be the next governor in Tennessee. So there will be a new senator being picked there before long. A lot of different moving parts. And this is officially, I think, the, the time when we start to get a feel for what turnout's going to look like. And I know people out there who say, okay, President Trump, his approval rating is 40%. I think in the real clear politics average, every Democrat in America has a lower approval rating basically, than President Trump. So this is going to be a double hater midterm election. Traditionally, the party in power does not do well in these elections, but Democrats are even less popular in many ways as a party than Republicans are. There's just again, I think uniquely this is a double hater environment where lots of people are unhappy. And the number one thing that people are unhappy about is cost, which has skyrocketed since Joe Biden allowed inflation to go to 9% thanks to his crazy amount of money that he spent in the first year and a half that he came into office. So that, to me, is the biggest storyline out there. What will turn out look like Buck there's some really encouraging numbers from California that the number of Republican ballots is through the roof relative to historic averages. And that would suggest there's lots of motivation to go out and vote for Steve Hilton, Chad Bianco, Spencer Pratt, in that primary that is coming up in June. So again, to me, in the next two and a half weeks, we're going to get a pretty good snapshot of where the actual American electorate is not what we are forecasting them to be, but where they actually are. And those primaries tomorrow, I think the Massie result will be the third significant. How much sway does Trump still have in the Republican Party result?

[Buck Sexton]

Massie getting a lot of attention from leftists, which is something that does not sit well, I think, with a lot of people. Meaning I should say support from leftists.

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[Buck Sexton]

A lot of the very worst people are very pro Massey right now. Now, I understand that's perhaps a shorthand for whether or not you support someone or not. You know. Well, it's. But it's a pretty good shorthand. I think there's something to be said for all of a sudden the people who want to see the worst things in America are going to bat for Massey in a big way. And I think it's just because they. They view him as part of the dissension among maga.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And also I think it's just again, the number one, what Democrats stand for is whatever Don, they're against whatever Donald Trump likes. And so Donald Trump is against Massie. And so a lot of people who otherwise would disagree with Massie on a very many different fronts have decided because Trump is opposed to him, they are in favor of him. So again, I think we are going to really kind of see some significant income impact and we'll have a significant idea of what's going forward. Let me also add this. I didn't even mention this as one of the stories that we're following. President Trump has got a meeting tomorrow Buck with his National Security Advisory team, and it seems like he is inclined to begin strikes anew on Iran. Now, to be fair, President Trump negotiates as a wizard might in many different ways. And so he has both made Iran think, hey, we're not going to strike you, and then struck them, lulled them into sleep. And maybe on the flip side, he is making them think now, hey, I'm going to strike in an effort to try to get some form of deal done. But I am inclined, more so than not, that we are moving in a direction where we may well see more strikes coming sooner rather than later. I don't know where you are on trying to forecast things. And again, predicting President Trump in times of negotiation can sometimes be difficult, but it feels to me like he is moving towards potentially engaging in new strikes.

[Buck Sexton]

How are you feeling about the whole situation, Captain? Optimism market's still very high, gas prices are still high. People are getting annoyed at me. I was getting a lot of messages over the weekend saying I sound too sour about, I'm not sour about it. I'm trusting in Trump on this one. He's got a clock, he's working with it, let's see. But you know, it's, we're moving the timeline back a little bit. It's, it's a little bit of I'm going to fix the Russia, Ukraine war in one day, which he said. And I was like, I don't think it's going to be one day. Same thing here.

[Clay Travis]

It's not a one day inclination. Depending on what is so called in where the nuclear dust is right now, to what extent is it or is it not feasible? My inclination is to try to get some form of result in a positive way, declare victory, let things calm down in terms of oil and gas prices for the midterm. As soon as the midterm is over, if you think there's more work to do, rain down holy hell on them. I don't think there's anything that Iran is going to be capable of now in June, July, August, September, October. So if you could get transit restored in some way on the Strait of Hormuz, I think oil and gas prices come back down. I think people are more positively disposed for the midterm. Having said that, I also understand everybody who says, hey, we've done 70% of the work, let's go ahead and finish the job right now. Now that gets into what does finish the job actually mean? Right. My general position has been if you can somehow seize the nuclear dust, prove that they had it and bring it out of Iran, that is a clear victory. It's hard to argue against that being a slam dunk. Question is, can you get it and how long does that take?

[Buck Sexton]

So I still, I still think you're pretty optimistic, so that's good. And I think I am.

[Clay Travis]

Look, stock market's at record highs and unemployment has remained low. What I'm concerned about right now is oil and gas prices are too high. And right now you're starting to see that translate into interest rates. So interest rates, because inflation has gone up, interest rates on mortgages, interest rates on car loans, on credit card, they are creeping back up at a level that has not been seen for a while. I want interest rates lower. I want everybody having lower mortgage rates. And that is directly connected in many ways to the price of oil and gas. So we need to get oil and gas prices back sooner rather than later. If I were asked right now, I would say declare a short term victory, let things kind of get back to normal, let the midterms happen and then really go to town.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Second hour of clay and Buck kicks off right now. And a couple things I want to talk a little bit more about the race out in Los Angeles and in the state of California for the Governor's Mansion, respectively, because it's just some really interesting dynamics playing out there. And I gave Spencer Pratt, who we just so you all know, we have reached out. We are in the stages, I think, of getting him to come and join us. Understandably, I think he's a little wary of media that media people he does not know. And we are a known entity to people who have been on the right and in politics for any length of time. But he is new to this game and neither Clay nor I have particularly deep roots in reality tv. Although I wonder which one of us would last longer on Survivor.

[Clay Travis]

I think you would actually, I take it back.

[Buck Sexton]

I I think he's just saying I got a little extra storage, you know what I mean? So I could outlast them. You know, I got more calories to go with.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know. I. I'm not sure if I'm getting stronger or fatter. It may be a combination of both. But I will say I think you may have more. So first of all, neither one of us would be good candidates. I think both of us would do poorly. So this is like, yeah, this is like saying, you know, which fat kid is going to do better Giving up chocolate.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. Right. We are one legged man in the ass kicking contest for sure.

[Clay Travis]

This is not, I think, well, actually this is such a tough call. I think I would be better able to handle the, the awfulness of living outdoors than you would, but I don't think I would be good at it. I just think you and I would both be awful at it. I think I might be a little bit less awful at it.

[Buck Sexton]

That may, I think your attitude would probably, would probably pull you through. I think I might have the edge on you when it comes to like fishing with a spear, but I don't know why. I'm just making that up, but I think so.

[Clay Travis]

I think, I don't think, I don't think fisherman. I don't know. I don't think I would be. I think I would be awful at everything that has to do with Survivor life. First of all, and I've made this clear before, I don't enjoy being outdoors and staying outdoors. I like being outdoors and going back to a house. This whole idea of, oh, let's just camp outside in the cold and the, in the rain and the, the heat or whatever it is, that is not appetizing to me. So the whole concept of being outdoors is not something that I would be in favor of.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Does that make sense?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no, for sure. Yeah. I, I do not think, I do not think I would be a. I, I think this audience, though, if we just did a quick, like, if we just did a quick casting call, we could get some people, guys and gals out of this. Out of the people listening right now who would be Survivor superstars. I bet some of you know how to do that stuff where you make the lean to and you make the caveman tools and all of it. So I just, I know you people.

[Clay Travis]

I know would. Laura would do well, much better than I would. I think she'd probably do better than you too. I think. Carrie.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, Jerry's a house cat. Carrie's a house cat just like me. She is not an outdoor. One of the things when we were getting married, I was like, is it okay that I never want to take you camping? She's like, yeah, that's, that's fine. I was like, I have no. I was like, I'll. I'll stay in a hotel and go look at mountains. I'll hike. I'll be in the outdoors. I want to be in a bed every night. Growing up with a dad who made me go out there and put the air mattress thing that you blew up yourself. On the rocky ground and waking up and it's really cold outside, and you're shivering in your little, you know, sleeping bag and the whole thing. No, I'm good.

[Clay Travis]

I like thread count.

[Buck Sexton]

I like a bed. I'm a house cat, and I know that. See? Know thyself to thine own self be true. Clay and I know where we are in this, and a lot of you are like, you know, I. I could last three. Three months in the U.

[Clay Travis]

Calm.

[Buck Sexton]

With just one match and a blade. You know, I know that's you guys. Neither of us are. Are up there for that, so. Okay, sorry, a little bit of digression there into reality tv. We're not big in reality TV world, but we'll try to get Spencer Pratt on. I. I had to just get into this story for a second here because I have some theories. I wouldn't even say they're conspiracy theories. I just think they're theories. This story from Axios. Clay, we haven't spent a lot of time on Cuba here on the show, and it's very interesting. Cuba just had a meeting with the CIA director. Okay, In Cuba. In Cuba. That's what I mean. Yeah, of course. In Cuba. CIA director and a bunch of people who are with them with faces blurred out because, you know, they're maybe undercover or they just don't want their identities out there meeting with senior communist. And by the way, it's just. It's just a mafia. Cuba is just a mafia state. You really think they're walking around talking about Leninism and, you know, the workers paradise. Oh, it's a mafia state. It's just a country run by an organized crime family known as the Castros. And. And, you know, enough is enough. But, Clay, this story. So the CIA just met with them, and I think that's going to tie into this story. Axios, not usually like it's lived, but not usually completely full of it. You know, they usually. I wouldn't say there's been a lot of retracted Axios stories that I'm familiar with. I trust Axios probably more than CNN at this point. Cuba. Excuse me? Cuba has acquired, according to axios, more than 300 military drones and recently began discussing plans to use them to attack the US Base at Guantanamo Bay, US Military vessels, and possibly Key West. Whoa, hey. Like, right in my backyard, 90 miles north of Havana, according to classified intelligence shared with Axios. Clay, this, to me, is because I think there's something else going on. But this. If this is true, even I would have to say this is the most pretextual, oh, we're just going to go in there and kick their asses thing I've ever seen in my life, really. Cuba's going to. They can't keep the lights on at night anywhere in the country, basically. But they're going to start hitting us with drones. They're going to pick a fight. Now, it was pretty funny to read this. I was like, wow, guys, it's not, not too slick if this is what

[Clay Travis]

we're going to do, Buck, if Iran, Venezuela, Ukraine all weren't happening, Cuba would be a huge story.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Now you can say Venezuela, which is true, is directly connected to Cuba because it was our removing of Maduro that ended all of the free oil and gas that otherwise was flowing into Cuba or drast reduced. Also, we told Mexico, hey, stop the flow of oil and gas into Cuba. But a few years into. Well, when we first started this program together, there were massive protests in Cuba. And I would submit to you that if Cuba were out there as a standalone issue, it would be one that everybody is talking about. I think that Cuba is going to fall as a communist state. And now what that's going to look like going forward, I think is going to be somewhat challenging. But to me, when we toppled Venezuela, and again, everything is going so well in Venezuela that no one even mentions it, they're producing more oil and gas than they have in a very long time. The overall freedoms in Venezuela are better. Yes, they still need to have elections at some point in time. But when we basically remember the. When my oldest son was young, they had that game where you would throw. What was it? The pigs. Do you remember the flying pigs game? Am I the only one? You were so young, I mean, meaning you were so you weren't dating or having a baby in yourself. What is the flying pig game? Does anybody in the, anybody in the audience in our studio know the flying pig game? I know I'm going to be blown up when, when nobody does.

[Buck Sexton]

No way.

[Clay Travis]

I'm on a flying pig island.

[Buck Sexton]

Here it is having an aneurysm right now. What? Flying.

[Clay Travis]

It's the, It's. It was the most popular. I think they were pigs. They turned it into a whole industry. You played the game and you shot them at the structure and you tried to knock down the whole place. Yeah, sorry. Angry Birds. I thought they. Sorry. Angry.

[Buck Sexton]

Angry Birds.

[Clay Travis]

I thought it was Angry Birds.

[Buck Sexton]

Angry Birds are.

[Clay Travis]

I thought they were pigs. My apology. Not angry. Not angry Pigs. Angry Birds. This analogy would have worked really well if I nailed it.

[Buck Sexton]

Instead of getting a real old man move, you're like, there's like the flying

[Clay Travis]

pigs game, flying pigs, birds, pigs, you know that you pull them. So you set the slingshot up. And my kid, my five year old back in the day, loved this game. And if you hit things perfectly, you would hit one little support structure and everything around it would collapse. Venezuela was the support structure upholding Cuba and Mexico. Support was another one of those, but really it was taking out Venezuela. There is no world in which I believe the existing Cuban government is going to survive. So I think the question, and buck, you may have even studied this back in the day at CIA. I know they've been studying it for 60 some odd years. The question is, how do you create a system that is better for the Cuban people without utterly collapsing whatever limited amounts of support exist in Cuba right now? Because Cuba has what, around 9 million people off the top of my head and all of those 9 million basically wish they lived in Miami. It's like 9 million people in Cuba and live in Miami is like a 95% approval rating, right? What? That, that, that they wish. Every Cuban basically wishes they could live in Miami instead of Cuba or at least live in Cuba and have Miami level lifestyle.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah. Cuba is obviously.

[Clay Travis]

So my question is Miami, how do you create a world in which all of Cuba doesn't immediately come to the United States and further collapse the existing Cuban economy? And how do you.

[Buck Sexton]

I have, I have your answer. I have, or rather I think I have, what is being offered up right now as the answer to what's. I think the CIA director and I have no inside knowledge of this. I did not talk to anyone senior intel about it. But my sense, first of all, they're sharing that photo which was very interesting. So that's, that's an unusual. You don't have a lot of CIA director meeting with basically an enemy regime photos that just get released from the CIA's official account. So that was sending a very clear message publicly. And Clay, I think the private message which ties into the public message was you guys saw what we did to Maduro, right? You guys realize how easy this would be for us, right?

[Clay Travis]

We don't.

[Buck Sexton]

We're not saying we're going to come. We're not landing the 82nd Airborne, we're not sending a Marine Expeditionary unit. You know, we're just going to find who's the biggest pain in the ass, who the biggest pains in the ass in the government are and we're going to show up because we know you're all involved in all kinds of illegal stuff, including drug trafficking through your island, and we're going to lock you up in the nastiest federal prison in America imaginable forever. Or, or you can actually start to play ball.

[Clay Travis]

Yep.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's, I think that is the pitch the CIA director likely made to a, to a, you know, Diaz Canal or, you know, the guy who's running, running Cuba now and, and his top lieutenants and whatever I think it was. Basically, some of you are going to go, you can either be on the good guy side of this, or you can be on the Delta guys kicking in your door at 3am and hopefully they take you into custody side of this. Like, that's where this is.

[Clay Travis]

I think I am cautiously optimistic. I tend to be cautiously optimistic about a lot that Marco Rubio, who is, I think, spearheading this to a large extent, has been thinking about how to replace this Cuban regime for legitimately his entire life, and that this would be the equivalent if you are a Cuban kid growing up and being the guy who is in charge of finally dismantling the awful communist regime of Cuba is akin to being NEO in the Matrix and finding out, finding out that you are the Cuban neo, you have grown up and you are now able to fix everything that was wrong with this broken system in Cuba. Having said that, I think, by the way, that's a great. That you want a good meme to turn Marco Rubio into the Cuban Neo. That is, I would think, would kill with the Cuban community out there. It's more. I think it's going to be super difficult here because they are so decrepit and so run down trying to figure out how to bring some form of capitalism to Cuba and not make things immediately worse. In the short term, I think it's going to cost a lot of U.S. money. I think we're going to have to give them a lot of oil and gas. I think we're going to have to give them a lot of support in order to stabilize the awfulness that they have.

[Buck Sexton]

But, but we have big carrots to offer here along with, you know, the stick is, I think what we just talked about, which is the. Our badass bearded dudes in the middle of the night get, you know, dropped right at your front door and they're, they're kicking indoors.

[Clay Travis]

You're done.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, you're. You're done. So I think that has now been probably explained to the leaders of the Cuban because I'm sure they think, oh, like, we can. What Are you going to stop us with. We've seen, we've seen how well that Chinese stuff and Russian supplied stuff worked in Iran or in Venezuela, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

You think you're going to stop who was protecting Maduro? Cuban. Cubans wiped them out.

[Buck Sexton]

Good.

[Clay Travis]

So your baddest ass dudes are already waxed like they did not hand up, stand up very well for Maduro.

[Buck Sexton]

So I think it's. I think they made the classic offer they can't refuse. We'll see if they do in fact refuse it. I think that would be unwise. I think they will because I think that there's some worry that some of them will end up taking a dirt nap one way or another if they try to play ball with America. But we'll see. But Cuba, Cuba could be turned into a wonderful place, I think, very rapidly. Oh, Clay, you know, Europeans love to vacation there. Even under the current situation. You get a lot of European investment, you get a lot of American investment. The beaches there, from what I understand, I obviously haven't been, but the beaches there are actually quite beautiful and there's a lot. I mean, the tourism industry would boom, but they've just ruined this place. The common just communists ruin everything. The communists have ruined this place and now there's a chance to turn around. I also, by the way, I'm very bullish on Venezuela. It's going to take some time, but I think Venezuela in five years, you're going to have to. You're going to start to see stories once Trump's no longer in office. By the way, if there's a Democrat in 2029, I promise you, you'll start to see stories about how Venezuela's just turned itself around and it's so amazing what's happening with their oil industry. That's where that's going.

[Clay Travis]

I want to talk more because I'm super fascinated by the Cuba situation. I think one of the challenges, Buck, is some of the prior owners who are probably listening to us right now, the fact that they just swept in and took over all of the existing Cuban industry. To what extent are claims still valid from current Americans who fled Cuba but whose families had assets, property, everything else? I think that's a bit of a challenge too. But I want to tell you. Who do I want to tell you about? I want to tell you all about rapid Radios. Unfortunately, we got awful tornadoes that are scheduled to sweep through much of the tornado belt middle part of the country over the next few days. Based on my understanding of current weather conditions. Rapid radios can help you stay in connected even in times of catastrophe, even in times when so many different communication devices are being wiped out. This is a no brainer that can act as a security blanket for you and your family. Five days no charge. Think about that for a minute. Five days without needing to worry about charging. And right now for Father's Day, you get over 300 in free gear with your order, including a tactical radio bag and the EMP Faraday bag. Every order also comes 30 day money back guarantee you can buy with confidence. Skip the tie or the coffee mug this year and give dad a tool he'll use and appreciate every single day. Rapid radios go to rapidradios.com free shipping from Michigan. Rapid Radio is the Father's Day gift that keeps you connected. Rapid Radios communication redefined. That's rapidradios.com if you truly care, pass along this common sense to family and friends. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves. Okay. We are joined now by Georgia Senate candidate Derek Dooley. He is the Republican candidate among I think there are three of them basically running. The primary is tomorrow in Georgia. Derek Dooley with us now. Former football head coach finally has decided he couldn't take it any longer and has stepped into the fray. What can you tell us, Derek Dooley, about the on the ground situation in Georgia and for people nationwide that are listening and listening? The winner of this primary will be running against John Ossoff, who I think I feel comfortable in saying has no business whatsoever representing the people of Georgia. And certainly Georgia shouldn't have two Democrat senators in a state that President Trump just won and that has had a Republican governor for some time.

[Derek Dooley]

Well, you're right about that, Clay, and thank you for having me on the show. You know, when I decided to announce my candidacy all the way back in August, I really had one goal and that was to earn it. Earn it from the Georgia people. Since I announced, I think I put about 35,000 miles driving around this big state in our truck. And I think over the last six or eight weeks we've made about 64 stops in 59 counties and the surge in the polling has started to show. There's just a lot of excitement on the ground and we really feel good about where we are heading into tomorrow. But of course, as you know, the most important thing is getting everybody out to vote. So we're just encouraging everybody to show up at the polls because the candidates matter in these primaries. And I feel confident that I'm the best candidate to go beat John Ossoff because You're right. He doesn't represent Georgia, and the Georgia people don't know much about him. And we need a candidate who can educate the Georgia people about what he stands for.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let's. Let's start with that. Derek, It's Buck. Nice to meet you, sir.

[Derek Dooley]

Hey, Buck.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey. Hey, how you doing? Actually, before we get into that, I'm curious. When you first met Clay many years ago, what was more likely, that you were going to run for Senate or that he was going to be on a right wing political talk radio show on almost 600 stations? What do you think?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, Clay and I had. We farred a little bit back in the day. And. But I'll tell you, Buck, you know, he hadn't changed a bit. I don't think I've changed much. And I always respected him. You know, when I got there, everybody told me, you don't need to talk about this guy Clay Travis. You know, he's a bad guy. He's bad for the program, that sort of stuff. Well, I just listened to him and read what he said and I. It was always a good, fair, honest critique of what we were doing. I used to tell our guys, y' all are just mad because he's telling the truth. And I didn't mind people talking and criticizing if it was truthful. And he was always truthful and always respected his journalism. So it doesn't surprise me one bit that he's made it as far as he has.

[Buck Sexton]

If Clay had to play a position on your team, though, what would the position have been?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, it would be a mix between the 15 kicker, maybe the 6 string long snapper. I never really admired his athletic prowess. It was more about his journalistic and legal skills.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought long snapper was definitely the way you're going to go there. So thank you. Thank you on that one. All right, now back into the serious politics. Now that folks got a little chance to hear about your background with no one or what the one and only Mr. Clay Travis Oz off from Georgia. What changes if you represent the great state of Georgia in the Senate instead of having this guy, what has Ossoff stood for? What would you do differently?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, I think one of the things I learned traveling around the state over the last nine months is most people really don't know who he is. I mean, you. If you really think about it, you don't see him grandstanding a lot on cnn. You never see him standing next to Chuck Schumer or AOC waving the party flag. And I really believe it's strategic because deep down he knows what he votes for, what he supports does not represent the values of the Georgia people. Just the fact that he voted for 98% for Joe Biden alone ought to tell you I just don't believe our state is that. And we have a laundry list of things. You know, that old saying in football, your film is your resume. And we're going to show the film to the Georgia people on who Jon Ossoff is that we did not have back in 2020. Just think about the 40 year high inflation that we're still battling with that he voted for three times. Maybe it's the open border stuff that he supported that's still causing problems in our country. We know about the woke stuff on our kids, the men and women's sports. There's a laundry list of issues, Buck, that we're going to educate the Georgia people on. And I think it's important in this primary that we get a candidate who can stay on offense on this. You know, right now I'm running against two sitting congressmen and we're really getting a preview to me of what Jon Ossoff's strategy is going to be. He's building his war chest right now. And then you look at my two opponents. You know, Mike Collins is attacking Buddy Carter for his careerism and, you know, long voting record buddies, attacking Mike for his corruption or House ethics charge and misusing taxpayer funds. And that's going to be also a school, is to keep them on defense. But as a political outsider, as a coach who has, you know, been in a profession working with people from all walks of life, he's not going to be able to do that to me. We're going to stay on offense on him and educate the Georgia people.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Derek Dooley, Georgia Senate Republican race tomorrow, the primaries in Georgia. Everybody needs to get go out and vote. You are endorsed by Brian Kemp, the current governor. I think he's done a whale of a job and most Georgians agree with me. Certainly Brian Kemp, I think it would be fair to say, is the most popular politician anywhere in the state of Georgia. Now, what does his endorsement mean for you and why did he endorse you?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, it's been a real honor to have his and the first lady's endorsement and traveling around with him. You know, he's not just saying he's for me, Clay. He's actually he and the first lady been on the road campaigning, working hard, and I think it's, it's, you know, it's it's several reasons, but the gist of it is, and he says this, he wants to win. You know, a lot of people thought he was going to run for Senate. And when he decided he was not going to run because he's turned out as governor, he started looking around the country at trying to see, you know, what's the best way to flip a entrenched sitting Democratic incumbent. And a lot of the formula has been political outsiders. You look at the last cycle, whether it's Bernie Marino in Ohio, McCormick in Pennsylvania, Sheehy in Montana, all political outsiders. They were in an outcome oriented profession, whether in some kind of leadership position, whether it was in business or military or what have you, and flipped an entrenched sitting Democrat. And a lot of it has to do with being able to stay on offense and not go on defense. But I think the other piece of it too, Buck, is, you know, Georgia is an interesting state. You mentioned in the beginning. We have the most popular governor in our lifetime, two term. He's conservative, he's very pro business, but yet the Republican Party has not won a Senate race in 10 years. It's been that long. And probably the most telling example of what moves statewide elections in Georgia is you look at 2022 when Governor Kemp was up for his reelect and he annihilated Stacey Abrams by seven and a half points in that election. We also had Herschel Walker, Republican running against raphael Warnock. And 300,000 voters voted for Governor Kemp and Raphael Warnock and Herschel only lost the election by 41,000 votes. So it's a really telling example of if you're going to win a statewide election in Georgia, not a heavy red leaning congressional district, you got to have a candidate who not only can energize the Republican Trump voters, but you better have someone who can find a little common ground or maybe have a leadership style with voters that don't always vote Republican or maybe they don't always show up in primaries or midterms. And you know, it's something Governor Kemp did so well. And listen, it's something I've done for 30 years as a coach sitting in kitchen living rooms and people that didn't always look like me or think like me. And I was just simply asking them to trust me with their son and their grandson. And then you had to keep it. They were calling home every day. So that's why he supported me. And his support has been big. But listen, at the end of the day, his support is not going to win me the election. I got to earn it from the people of Georgia and that's what I've been doing for nine months.

[Clay Travis]

You are surging right now in the polls. You're also surging in the prediction markets. Cow sheep, Poly Market. This is now basically a 50, 50 race according to them. What happens? I believe there's likely to be a runoff. Walk us through. Obviously, we want everybody in Georgia to show up and vote tomorrow. Big battleground state, big decisions to make across a lot of different races. The governor's race is, is going to be, as you mentioned, Brian Kemp's term limited out. So it's wide open to how does this process play out from here, starting with the primary tomorrow.

[Derek Dooley]

Well, in Georgia, if a candidate in the primary doesn't get over 50% of the votes, which is very difficult when you have a multi candidate race, then the top two vote getters go into a runoff and the election happens four weeks after that. But you know, you play, you mentioned the surgeon polls. People are surprised. But if they had been with us on the ground, I started feeling this momentum back four or five weeks ago because for six or seven months, you know, the clubhouse leader was undecided. I mean over 50% were undecided. And when we started putting out our Georgia first contract, going on the ground and campaigning on what we're going to stand for, everybody started falling our way. And so we feel confident headed into tomorrow we're going to continue that trend.

[Clay Travis]

The data here for everybody out there who's not from Georgia and I always say we got six primaries tomorrow. Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon, Pennsylvania, all y' all need to go vote tomorrow in all those states. But, but Derek, the data reflects that if, if you and or the Republican Party can win this Senate seat and beat Ossoff, there is no math basically by which they can take control of the Senate. Right. This is a knockout race if Republicans win.

[Derek Dooley]

I think you're right. And that's why the Democratic war chest from all over the country is pouring into Ossoff's bank. But it's also why this primary election is so critical that we get the best candidate who can beat John Ossoff and that's who we are. And I think that voters understand that because at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is do we foot this seat or not? And we feel confident about our plan. But listen, we're focused on tomorrow. You know, it's one game at a time. As you know, we can't get our sights set on the runoff or on the general because we got a clear hurdle number one first.

[Clay Travis]

Good stuff. Appreciate the time. Good luck tomorrow, everybody. Go vote.

[Derek Dooley]

Okay. Thank you guys.

[Buck Sexton]

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Life is hard. Xumo is easy. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the program now. The book I think is selling like hotcakes, something that Buck Sexton has recent experience with as he was a New York Times bestseller just a couple of months ago and I would expect that God Sad is going to end up a New York Times bestseller even though they probably hate the arguments that he is making in his latest book. He is a professor of behavioral scientist and author. The book is Suicidal Empathy Dying to Be Kind and I want to start with this because I bet it's a perfect example of what of which you are writing. I'm sure you Saw the story about the woman in New York City who was shoved down a stairs at a subway by a black man, was concerned about racial impropriety in sentencing and therefore did not want to prosecute him. So he did not receive punishment for that. He then came back and shoved a 76 year old man down the stairs. That 76 year old man died. To me, it probably perfectly distills many of the arguments that you are making in this book, but tell us about it.

[God Saad]

Yeah, you're exactly right. Thank you for having me on. By the way. You're exactly right. It's too bad that that example didn't happen a bit earlier for me to include it in the book. But the reality is I've accumulated hundreds of such examples in the book. I'll give you two other ones that are very similar in spirit to the one that you just said. A woman was gang raped in Germany by a bunch of guys who were speaking Arabic and Farsi. When the police came to ask her questions about who the perpetrators might be, she lied and told them that they were speaking in German because she didn't want to marginalize the Middle Eastern community. And now here's the kicker, here's the best one. A white woman who's very liberal. She's a lot more enlightened than all of us here in this show. She wanted to go to Haiti to demonstrate, to dismantle the white supremacist idea that black men ever engage in any violence because in their natural state they're just beautiful and kind. It's only whites that are mean. And so she went to Haiti and she found out that. Well, it turns out that reality has a way of slapping you because a Haitian man took her to the rooftop and violently raped her all night. At the end of which she said that she was very thankful for the experience because it demonstrated how white supremacy made him do that. When a Haitian man rapes a white woman on a rooftop, it's really whites who are to blame. There's your suicidal empathy.

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so that's, that's really laying out the. To borrow from the parasitic mind. Right? This is an idea path, which is your previous book, which is excellent. The idea pathogen here that you're getting at, that you're describing in the book of the suicidal empathy. Is this a misfire in the circuitry of the brain that we're just more aware of in modern society? Or is this a function of godless leftist progressive social justice dogma? Like how do we get to that? Because I mean that, that Case that you just told is crazy.

[God Saad]

It's both. And let me thank you for pointing, referring to parasitic mind, because there is a narrative between the two books. We are both a thinking and a feeling animal. The parasitic mind looked at what happens to our cognitive system when it is hijacked and parasitized. So recital Empathy then completes that story by arguing that if I truly wish to hijack your ability to think critically, I also have to parasitize your affective system. Once I have done both of these deeds, then you become the wood cricket. And let me explain what I mean by that, because it's a very powerful analogy. A wood cricket, an actual insect. The wood cricket abhors water. It wants nothing to do with water. But when it is parasitized by a hairworm, the hairworm needs the wood cricket to merrily jump into water, happily commit suicide so that it could complete its reproductive cycle. So now you can understand how that white woman being raped and that rooftop and saying that it's due to white supremacy when a black guy was raping her is exactly the wood cricket. It's absolutely extraordinary.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, this is the thing that I think so many of our audience myself, how do we fix it? How do we. Buck and I have talked about. I don't know if you remember in Indiana Jones where the Temple of Doom where Indy takes the drink and completely turns into one of the bad guys and then does it take a torch?

[Buck Sexton]

They take like a torch, put it up against.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think God's gonna recommend that to him. Burns him and Indiana Jones wakes up and realizes that by drinking that blood he had basically been infected with the evil. How do we have. And that's a metaphor obviously in that movie, but I think it can apply to the woke virus in general. How do we wake people up? That woman who got raped and said, I got raped by a Haitian because of white supremacy. The woman who got shoved down the stairs and said she was so afraid of the mass incarceration that she didn't want to do anything. And then a 76 year old guy gets murdered as a result of the guy who did it to her not being punished. How do we wake people up? Like what works to break, break this cycle?

[God Saad]

Well, you literally have to administer a mind vaccine in the same way that you would have to administer, you know, a polio vaccine to avoid, you know, being infected by the polio virus. So let me give you a concrete example because that just sounds abstract. The parasitic idea known as cultural relativism, right, Is the idea that who are you to judge the cultural practices and beliefs of another society? If they wish to engage in honor killings, shut up, racist. If they wish to engage in genital mutilation of five year old girls, shut up, racist. Well, that parasitic idea, once I internalize it, then renders me suicidally empathetic when it comes to open border policies.

[Clay Travis]

Why?

[God Saad]

Because it becomes not homophobic Islamophobic to say that maybe we don't want to let in millions of people from Islamic countries where those beliefs and practices are perfectly codified within their societies. So the only way to solve the problem in the way that you led with the question is to eradicate those ideas which regrettably, all of which were spawned on university campuses. I've been a professor for 32 years and I can tell you that every single parasitic idea that I discussed in my previous book, all of them stem from professors because it uniquely takes intellectuals to come up with some of the most devastatingly imbecilic ideas.

[Buck Sexton]

You know something, we're speaking to God Saad and his latest book is Suicidal Empathy, which you should get a copy of, folks. God, you. I believe you write in the book. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure you do because it goes right to your point here about the. I do not like this term grooming gangs. They are not grooming gangs, they are rape gangs. These were rape gangs of, of extremely underage girls in the United Kingdom, meaning, you know, 10, 11, 12, and as well as torturing the girls in many cases. And it was hundreds and hundreds of victims. I think it might have even gotten in the low thousands when they, when they tallied this all up and it was all Pakistani male, you know, immigrants into the UK who did this. And it was the same story throughout when parents of some of these girls went to the police and the police were like, well, I mean, we can't really get into this because it's going to look really badly for the Pakistani, you know, British population if it comes out that they're running rape gangs against little 10 year old girls. So we can't do anything here. What? That's horrific beyond words. But try to help me, help me understand this. The people of the uk, a lot of them are like, oh yeah, well the cops, you know, what they did there, I totally understandable because we can't have people thinking poorly of the latest immigrants from the Northwest Frontier Province who think that the age of consent is 10. You know, we can't do that. There are a lot of people who thought that this was from the police. A reasonable response, or at least an understandable response. I would have been like, I mean, you want to talk about a time to sort of, you know, march, march with the pitchforks and the torches. In the uk, they didn't do anything.

[God Saad]

I mean, imagine if in the cat, in your moral calculus, when it comes between choosing and protecting our children or in protecting the rapists of our children, if they come from a particular religious heritage, everybody in that society says, oh, screw those children. I mean, literally, I side with the Islamic, Islamic folks who are raping them. By the way, this happens across many other contexts. In the military, U.S. military, when they went to Afghanistan, there is a practice there, a pedophilic, a pederas practice of bachi bazi, where you, you know, all of the warlords get these young boys and use them as sexual toys. When some of the heroic US military folks wanted to intervene, the upper up, the uppers said, hey, hey, hey, shut up. This is their practice. Look away. This is what happens when your mind is fully parasitized by these idea pathogens. It's grotesque. And if we don't wake up to it, it will bring the demise of our society. It may take 100 years, but we will get there. Gentlemen.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, are you optimistic? And we encourage everybody to go get your book. Read it. You've done fantastic work on this. You're, I believe, Canadian, which is a country that's completely lost its mind. Are you optimistic that we're moving in the right direction? How do we move in the right direction?

[God Saad]

More so I'll answer it in two ways. And it's not because I'm trying to be, you know, coy and equivocate. I am very optimistic in that there is a blueprint for us to solve the problem. For example, the open door immigration policy. You can easily enact mechanisms now that autocorrect the problem. Here's why I am pessimistic, gentlemen. I see no evidence that the west is remotely interested in implementing those auto corrections. I mean, yes, Donald Trump comes in, he signs an executive order, and suddenly we get rid of the trans lunacy stuff. But then Donald Trump will eventually play out his term. And then we might have another maniac that comes to power with the same ideas. So it really has to be that these desperately dangerous, parasitic ideas are eradicated. And unfortunately, I don't see any evidence that the west wants to do this. They don't have the testicular fortitude. So in that sense, I'm pessimistic.

[Buck Sexton]

It's, we got It. We got to get you on something better than ending on a pessimistic note about civilization here. I mean, don't you think? Don't you think? God, his book is suicidal empathy. This is, by the way. You know, I'm not gonna start name, name calling, name checking my book here. But the same thing when people ask me, how do you fix these things? I'm like, well, actually understanding the problem is the quintessential or the essential part of fixing the problem. Because when you can identify this stuff, it's don't do it. Don't go along with it. Call it out and fight against it. I mean, it's really rather straightforward. But in the case of this country, you know, we've even had the authority. Oh, no, I'm about to get negative against you. I'm trying to find a positive way. You know, we have the authorities.

[Clay Travis]

Let me give a positive.

[Buck Sexton]

I have a positive one.

[God Saad]

Hold on.

[Clay Travis]

I'm going to help you if you need that.

[Buck Sexton]

Settle down cock and optimism. I've got this. So in the case of like the Tennessee, you know, the Tennessee school shooter, the cops obviously hid the manifesto because all about the Tran tifa trans craziest or whatever. I think people. My optimistic point is, I think people are actually beginning to get fed up with this at a critical mass where they're like, this will destroy our society. That's my most optimistic point. It has gotten so crazy even here that I think normal people are saying, we can't allow this stuff to continue without fighting back. That's my best optimistic point.

[God Saad]

Can I add. Can I end it on optimistic note?

[Buck Sexton]

Sure.

[God Saad]

I soon be moving permanently to Ole Miss where I will hold the distinguished professorship. Hold on. In the. In the Declaration of Independence center for the Study of American Freedom. So you need the Lebanese, Jewish, Canadian professor to come down to defend American values. So we do have some sane people in the United States. Thank you, Ole Miss, for having given me this opportunity. The SADs are coming to rescue you.

[Clay Travis]

Is that public yet? Or did you just break news because the Southeastern Conference saves America yet again.

[God Saad]

Well, forgive me for saying this. I already broke the news on Joe Rogan, but you're the second to hear.

[Clay Travis]

That's not too bad, by the way. I know Buck was trying to give. That is a super positive. Let me ask you this as we finish the interview. Elon Musk. Here's a positive. This is where I was going to go. Buck has. I've seen him tweeting about your book. I do believe that him buying Twitter has potentially fundamentally altered the trajectory of the marketplace of ideas and true debate that we are getting. Is that true? Are your ideas able to reach more people since Elon bought Twitter than they were before?

[God Saad]

1000%. As a matter of fact, immediately after I mean literally, probably within a day of Elon purchasing Twitter, I made a sad truth clip where I said, of all the things that Elon has ever done or will ever do, nothing is as important as him giving us back the public square of ideas. For that alone, he deserves multiple Nobel Prizes. So you're spot on, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

I agree with that. Suicidal empathy Suicidal. There we go, we go. High fives all around. Suicidal empathy is the book. Go get a copy. God, the voice of God Himself. Great to have you.

[God Saad]

Thank you guys. Cheers.

[Buck Sexton]

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