Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 20 2026

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Daily Review (May 20, 2026)
Episode Summary and Key Highlights

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Episode Overview

In this May 20, 2026 episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck tackle headline-grabbing political events, particularly the fallout from the previous night's six GOP primary races. The hosts highlight the dominance of Donald Trump’s influence within the Republican party, the political demise of Thomas Massie, and the nature of accountability in American politics. Other discussions center on the economics of progress and capitalism, notably with Jeff Bezos' remarks on value creation, and a California political segment featuring gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton. The conversation combines sharp political analysis with humor and signature banter, making complex issues accessible for listeners.

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Key Segments and Themes

1. GOP Primaries Recap and Trump’s Enduring Influence

[03:49–07:47]

• Clay opens with a recap of six major primaries, marking Trump’s continued sway over Republican voters:

  • The ousting of Thomas Massie in Kentucky’s 4th district stands out as a “clean sweep” for Trump endorsements.
  • Clay Travis (05:45):
    "The people of Kentucky decided they want in the 4th congressional district a representative that is going to have President Trump's back 100% of the time. That was not Thomas Massie."
  • Trump-backed candidates prevailed in Indiana and Louisiana, indicating his unmatched dominance in the GOP.

• Takeaway:

  • Clay summarizes:
    "Most Trump areas of the country are still saying we want to elect people who are going to help to advance President Trump’s perspective."
    (06:51)

2. The Fall of Thomas Massie and Weaponizing Conspiracies

[07:47–14:29]

• Buck scrutinizes Massie’s political trajectory, critiquing his tilt towards conspiracy (notably the Jeffrey Epstein file transparency push) over his earlier libertarian principles.

  • Buck Sexton (08:56):
    "He was Mr. Debt Guy but then he became Mr. Epstein Files Guy… Massie was a late comer to this."
  • Buck plays a post-concession clip from Massie where he takes a cheap shot at opponent Ed Gallrein’s alleged ties to Israel (11:30–11:41).

• Buck’s assessment:

  • "It just makes Massey look like a petty little scumbag. You're going to say that guy's in the pocket of... Israel?" (11:53)

• Clay contextualizes:

  • "A 10 point loss for an incumbent is a repudiation...And so to then come out and say, oh, my opponent's in Tel Aviv, what you're really saying is my constituents aren't smart enough to make reasonable choices." (12:17, 12:42)

Notable Quote:

• Clay Travis (14:29):
  "We hold our football coaches to a higher standard of job performance than we do our politicians."

3. Voter Accountability, Principle vs. Popularity

[15:47–17:30]

• Clay and Buck debate when principled stands reward or hurt a politician:
  • Massie survived primary challenges when standing on COVID independence, but lost after attacking Trump and fixating on the Epstein conspiracy.
  • Buck Sexton (17:19):
    "He was right on the COVID issue and they rewarded him. He decided that Trump was like Epstein's, you know, chief Protector or something. And voters were like, you know what, you're being kind of an idiot. And they got rid of him."

4. The Value of Capitalism and Progress (with Jeff Bezos clips)

[23:30–37:15]

• The conversation shifts to a broader commentary on economic progress, featuring clips and analysis of Jeff Bezos:

  • Buck and Clay emphasize that capitalism's wealth generation benefits society more than charity.
  • Jeff Bezos (28:58):
    "If I do my job right, the value to society from my for profit companies will be much, much larger than the good that I do with my charitable giving."

• Buck notes how essential industries (oil, tech, etc.) are demonized by the Left—despite improving lives.

  • Buck Sexton (29:49):
    "The value creation of capitalistic enterprises creates wealth for all of us is the fundamental point."

• Both hosts argue for a light regulatory touch on tech advancements like AI, using 1990s Internet policy as a template.

  • Clay Travis (31:29):
    "If our companies don't win AI, another country's companies will—probably China...the world is so global now..."

• Discussion on taxation and government spending:

  • Jeff Bezos (35:22):
    "We don't have a revenue problem in this country. We already have the most progressive tax system in the world...We actually have a spending problem."
  • Clay Travis (36:03):
    "The government has more money than they know what to do with and they're still going to spend more. There is no dollar figure you could give to our government where Democrats would say, well, we have enough now."

5. Breaking News: Raul Castro Indictment

[39:32–41:04]

• Buck interrupts for breaking news: DOJ files criminal charges against former Cuban President Raul Castro over the shoot-down of the Brothers to the Rescue aircraft.
  • Buck Sexton (39:59):
    "Things are heating up for the commies in Cuba right now because this indictment, it's not just for the paper that it's printed on. There's more coming."

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Special Guest: Steve Hilton (California Gubernatorial Candidate)

[41:04–60:03]

• Steve Hilton joins to discuss his campaign for California governor, reflecting voter frustration with decades of far-left policies.

  • Steve Hilton (42:08):
    "We're done in California. We are done with the Democrats...We're leading in the polls...and save California and thereby help the whole country."

• He draws parallels with LA's mayoral race (Spencer Pratt), framing both as outsider-driven insurgencies.

  • "We're both outsiders, we've never run for office before...the results [of Democrat governance] are a total disaster. A complete failure on every front." (42:49)

• Discusses California’s decline:

  • State ranks last in poverty, unemployment, and opportunity despite high taxes and doubled budgets.
    "What you're seeing in California is the far left progressive governance experiment tested to destruction..." (44:55)

Lighter Moment:

• Pistachio ice cream debate between Buck, Clay, and Steve Hilton (45:08–45:39)

California Polling and Democratic Field:

• Steve leads recent polls ahead of Javier Becerra and billionaire Tom Steyer, with criticism of Steyer’s big spending and weak polling.
  • "If you spent $200 million as a Democrat to get in the top two of the California governor's race...and you didn't [make it], what would you do?" (47:56)

Newsom and the Primary System:

• Steve dissects Gavin Newsom’s strategic efforts to engineer two Democrats into the general via the state’s top-two voting system.
  • "What Gavin Newsom desperately wants is two Democrats in the top two, because he knows that if you have two Democrats...there will be no discussion of his record in the general election campaign..." (56:09)

On Gender and Sports:

• Steve vows to repeal California’s 13-year-old policy allowing biological males to compete in girls’ sports (58:48–59:46):
  • "I'm going to overturn that bill and we're going to end this insanity in California." (59:20)

Notable Quotes and Sound Bites

• On the Trump Primary Sweep:
  "Trump's power has not faded among his base. That's my takeaway." — Clay Travis (06:54)

• On Calling Out Conspiracy Tactics:
  "If you want transparency, that's one thing. But if you're going to say that Trump is like in on the cabal or someone else, you're an idiot." — Buck Sexton (10:24)

• On Capitalism’s Impact:
  "Capitalism, commerce, makes us all wealthier." — Buck Sexton (26:53)
  "Amazon is more effective at making people's lives better than the vast majority of charities." — Clay Travis (34:09)

• On California's Downward Spiral:
  "You now see the results. Total failure." — Steve Hilton (44:55)

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• Primaries Analysis, Massie Loss: 03:49–15:47
• Value of Capitalism, Jeff Bezos: 23:30–37:15
• Breaking News – Raul Castro Indictment: 39:32–41:04
• Steve Hilton Interview – California Politics: 41:04–60:03

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Episode Takeaways

• Trump’s influence over the GOP remains ironclad; candidates not “all-in” for Trump face long odds.
• Voters are holding politicians more accountable, sometimes more than their football coaches.
• The hosts champion the broad, measurable impact of capitalist innovation while criticizing left-wing hostility to business and technology.
• The California gubernatorial race is a referendum on progressive policy excesses, with Steve Hilton positioning himself as the candidate of reform, promising to reverse radical policies on taxes, business, and transgender participation in sports.

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For Listeners:
This episode is a must-listen for those interested in the evolving power dynamics of the GOP, the stakes involved in California's upcoming election, and the broader philosophical battle between progressive governance and capitalist innovation. The show balances serious issues with irreverence and accessible language, making political developments easy to grasp and engaging to follow.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in Wednesday edition playing Buck got to get the day right off the top. That wouldn't be ideal to swing a mission. I am Clay Travis. He is Buck Sexton and we are with all of you in the wake of six big primaries that happened last night, we're going to dive into the impact there. President Trump speaking right now at the Coast Guard graduation. We will monitor that as well. I had no idea where the Coast Guard was located. New London, Connecticut. Would you have gotten that right? The Coast Guard Academy? Buck, if I quizzed you off the top of the show?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, we would certainly tell the Coast Guard guys that pulled us over when we were trying to go out on a boat last weekend that we know where their academy is. That was unexpected. We got pulled over. We got pulled over for boat speeding. Everybody by the Coast Guard and by the way, we weren't driving just to be clear, but we still had to sit there and all these dudes covered in tats with their sidearms boarded our boat.

[Clay Travis]

It's like, whoa, this is true. And we weren't driving. I, I hadn't even had a drink but I just looked at Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

I was like, what did you do, Clay?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I, we, we got boated boarded while boating in Miami. So the Coast Guard taking care of us there and I am dressed fancy. I'm gonna change eventually. But you're seeing me in a jacket and a coat. Cause I just got into yelling matches on Piers Morgan show, which probably will go viral over the Thomas Massie and Ed Gallrein result last night, which Glenn Greenwald and others were super fired up about. But ties in directly with what we're going to talk about off the top of this program, which is there were six primaries last night. And I would say the six primaries further illustrated that President Trump is by far the most popular Republican. And ultimately, I think, and maybe some of you listening to us in the 4th congressional district of Kentucky want to weigh in. But Thomas Massie lost by 10 points in his congressional district. People of Kentucky decided they want in the 4th congressional district a representative that is going to have President Trump's back 100% of the time. That was not Thomas Massie. And as a result, I would say we've gotten a clean sweep of President Trump endorsed opponents or supporters. The people that President Trump is opposed to have won Indiana. Most of those state senators are gone who refused to redistrict. In Louisiana, you have a situation where the senator, for the first time since 2012 lost. Julia Letlow is going to be the new senator replacing Bill Cassidy. And last night, Thomas Massie's career, I think representing anyone in the state of Kentucky came to a close. Now, lots of people are Massey fans, lots of people are not. That's why we have elections. And he lost 55 to 45 in the 4th congressional district of Kentucky. And so what I would say in general is most Trump areas of the country are still saying we want to elect people who are, who are going to help to advance President Trump's perspective. To me, Buck, the story of Indiana, the story of Louisiana, and now the story of Kentucky is in Trump country. President Trump is the most popular politician. He's more popular than the state reps, he's more popular than the congresspeople, he's more popular than the senators, he's more popular than the governors. And if Trump endorses you or opposes you, that is likely going to have a tremendous impact in terms of the midterm elections. Trump's power has not faded among his base. That's my takeaway. That was significant in nature. What would your takeaway be?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I think that Massie's career as a conspiracy minded podcaster begins soon. I think that he's somebody who, who at one point was really positioning himself as the quirky, libertarian, principled guy. I met him some years ago at an event and he was wearing, if memory serves, a pin with the national debt on it that would like electronically update in real time. So he was Mr. Debt Guy. Did you hear anything from him about the debt recently, by the way? He was Mr. Debt Guy but then he became Mr. Epstein Files Guy after not having. You know, I've been talking about Epstein and the need to get transparency and honesty on this, Clay, for years stretching back to before when you and I were even teamed up together ever since the Miami Herald article came out. And I've always said Ann Coulter did as much as anybody and also Mike Cernovich to tell people that there was something really, something smelled really rotten around this whole thing. So I just want to be clear. Massie was a late comer to this. And then Clay, he started to say things like this is. These are. I just had a. Pull a bunch of quotes from him from, from Massie because I was, I really wanted to have it in front of me. He said, quote, this is the Epstein administration about Donald Trump. Then he said another day he's still in with the Epstein class. And he repeated, this is the Epstein administration. We can't avoid justice to avoid embarrassment for powerful men. You will have voted to protect pedophiles if you don't release these files. My party has been taken over by pedophile or taking up for pedophiles. I predict President Trump will begrudgingly sign my beautiful Epstein Transparency act because causing beleaguered princes and ambassadors and ministers and CEOs to be arrested and or resign in total shame. This cover up spans decades and you, Pam Bondi, are responsible for this port. I mean just go on and on and on and on. Ok, how many of. So they released the files?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

How many arrests were made? How many resignations happened? Now I'm not saying that anything other than this guy's promising that this, you know, once the files are out. The files are out.

[Clay Travis]

Yep.

[Buck Sexton]

What happened? And to say that Trump was somehow tied in with this and protect like to call someone a pedophile protector, I mean that's like, you know, Clay, people were getting mad at us. You remember when there was the FBI files thing rather the White House, you know, with the Epstein files. And we were getting emails and message people saying, you know, how, you know, how could you protect Dan Bongino as deputy FBI director? We're like, yeah, you think Dan Bongino is protecting pedophiles? You're a moron. I don't know what else to say to you. He's not protecting pedophiles. Okay. He's A patriot and he's a good guy and he's a husband and a dad. And that was true of a bunch of the people involved in this. And by the way, the people that go like you're part of the pedophile. I don't care what you, I don't care what they say. They're morons. If you want transparency, that's one thing. But if you're going to say that Trump is like in on the cabal or someone else, you're an idiot. So I think it's important that the guy who had really made the biggest name for himself here over all this stuff. You know, there's, they're saying I want transparency and then there's kind of like weaponizing this to attack people that disagree with you or don't like. And Massey was playing that game. I think he was acting like a jerk separately from that. So on the Epstein thing, I think he got absolutely what he deserved. And then there's the issue of what he says. I mean he said Ed Galrain, Gal Rhein is. He couldn't find him. Wait, do we have that cut actually, guys? Cause I wanted, I wanted to play.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, said he was in 12 Eve.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, play, play this. Play. This is after he loses. Play 12. I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and

[Steve Hilton]

concede and it took a while to

[Buck Sexton]

find Ed Galran in Tel Aviv. I did get to call through though.

[Clay Travis]

I have, I have called and conceded the race.

[Buck Sexton]

We've been honorable the whole time and we're going to stay that way. No, that, that's actually the opposite of honorable. That I really think that's gross. What he did there, saying that El Ed, Ed Gal Ryan, for anyone who does not know, is a decades long veteran and SEAL Team 6 member, a Tier 1 unit and, and honestly just makes Massey look like a petty little scumbag. You're going to say that guy's in the pocket of, he's, he's in the pocket of Israel. The SEAL Team 6 guy, the American from Kentucky's in the pocket of Israel. That's, that's your attack on him. It's just gross, man. So I, I think, I think Massey got absolutely what he deserved. Good riddance.

[Clay Travis]

I 100% would sign off on the fact that it's gross. It's also an insult to the people of Kentucky. And I'm going to stand up for people of Kentucky, the voters there. Massie lost by 10 points. A 10 point loss for an incumbent is a repudiation because everybody knew Thomas Massie in that district who shows up and votes, and they said, you aren't representing my interest. And so it's convenient for Massie to come out and say, oh, Israel is the reason why I lost. The reason why you lost is because 55% of the voters in your district decided they like the other guy better. Okay. And so to then come out and say, oh, my opponent's in Tel Aviv, what you're really saying is my constituents aren't smart enough to make reasonable choices for the best representative for them, which is an insult to them. So again, I tend to try and stand up for the wisdom of voters, for the wisdom of jurors, for the wisdom of regular guys and gals to make reasonable decisions in their lives. And what the voters of Kentucky 4 were saying, in my opinion, is we want President Trump to be supported 100% of the time by our congressman. Massie argued, I don't want to do that. I'm going to stand up to him on a variety of different issues. I'm only. And then he tried to later pivot and say, well, I'm with him the vast majority of the time on issues. And his voters said, that's not enough. And they introduced. To your point Buck, nobody knew Ed Gallrein at all. So of course you have to spend a lot of money to introduce somebody challenging an incumbent. We rarely have incumbents lose, and a lot of people out there in the audience complain because incumbents win all the time. Shouldn't we hold our representatives responsible for enacting the policies that we favor? I've made this argument all the time. And a lot of people sit back and say, you know what, Clay, you're right on this. We hold our football coaches to a higher standard of job performance than we do our politicians.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, there are a lot of hand of that, Clay, is they're held to a standard of performance.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, that's.

[Buck Sexton]

Coaches can get fired for being bad at their jobs.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's backwards. Should it? In the, in the world of sports, which is really just frivolity and entertainment, if we were going to hold somebody to a higher standard, shouldn't it be the politician? Shouldn't we call it.

[Buck Sexton]

Except for last night. Hold on.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I know you're watching.

[Buck Sexton]

I gotta slow. I gotta slow your roll. Except for when the Knicks are the first out of like almost 700 teams to come back in the fourth quarter of a basketball game in the playoffs, Clay, that's, that's a near religious experience that I had last. I Couldn't believe that that happened. I was actually texting sports last night.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. So Buck told me he was gonna be watching the Knicks game. Condolences if you're a Cleveland Cavaliers fan listening to us right now because they had one of the all time playoff collapses in the final six and a half or so minutes of the fourth quarter. But yeah, look, I mean, Massie got fired because his constituents decided he wasn't doing enough to advocate for their interests. And look, Massey has, I'm a marketplace of ideas guy. I don't know Thomas Massie. I don't know Ed Gallrein. If Thomas Massie has a great national appeal, he should run for President in 2028 and see if the Republican Party base wants to support him just like everybody else.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I, I would also point out and full credit to our friend Sean Davis, who of the Federalists, because he had a really good tweet analysis on this. I'm going to call it Twitter and tweets for I'm never going to be able to get this X post thing down. But anyway, he put out, remember in 2020, you know, you had a, I think it was 2020, in the 2020 cycle when he was up, there was criticism of Massie and he was able to withstand some of that because of what his positions actually were, because he was taking principled stands. Then here I'm trying to pull this up. Sorry, as we're, as we're doing this, I'll pull up Sean's tweet for a second here because I thought it was really, really interesting the way that he laid out that a lot. Oh, here we go. It's the top is his top tweet. Why did Massie lose tonight? Massey went on quoting here from Sean, from principled libertarian during COVID to GOP late leadership lapdog under McCarthy to anti Trump Epstein obsessive in 2025 after tweeting about that issue three times in the ten years prior. The nail in the coffin for him was voting against obbb in 2025 because according to Massie, it did too much to secure the border. He went toe to toe with Trump on Covid in 2020 and he still won overwhelmingly. So the point is when Massie the voter. Full credit to the voters of Kentucky when Massie was standing on principle and the COVID issue was one of principle.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, he was 100% right on Covid. He, I give him credit. I mean, yes, yeah, well, he was

[Buck Sexton]

right on the COVID issue and they rewarded him. He decided that Trump was like Epstein's, you know, chief Protector or something. And voters were like, you know what, you're being kind of an idiot. And they got rid of him.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, as we get ready to go to break here, he didn't say anything about Epstein the whole time Biden was in office. So if you're one of these people who's obsessed with Epstein and there's a tiny subset of the population, I think you saw that in the elections. It isn't actually reflective very much. That's fine. Why did you say nothing for four years when Biden was in office? And then suddenly Trump's back in office and Epstein is the number one issue to you. And again, to your point, Buck, all the files are now out. Nobody got charged, nobody there. There's no evidence of some crazy cabal of people like that are engaging in pedophile rings. People traded on that because it's popular on social media and then there's no evidence of it. And to your point, I don't know a single guy or gal that would protect pedophiles in my entire life like these. This idea that there's people who are going to be protected who are engaging in evil acts with children, it's just not true. It's just not true. And a lot of people have traded on that. And the evidence, you can go look at it. And again, I come back to the people of Kentucky. Four decided Massie wasn't representing them. I love your Covid analogy because he went against Trump then and that was,

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thanks for being here with us everybody. A couple of things. One team, can you pull over those clips from yesterday from the lunatics outside the Mamdani trial? Because I don't think we got to that. So we'll get to that later on in the program. You got to hear what these people say. I'm thinking about that though because Clay told me yesterday and then I checked this out for myself. Kamehamdani of NYC is begging now. The ultra capitalists, the hyper successful New Yorkers, people like Ken Griffin to stay. It turns out if you want to have your make believe utopia but a giant welfare state, you need someone to fund it. And if you, if you scare away all the people that actually make stuff and make products and create services and also wealth with this in a very general sense, I always love this point. Clay that Naval Ravikant makes who is, I think just one of my favorite thinkers out there these days. Really interesting guy. He says that wealth and Status. You need to separate these things in your mind. Wealth is not zero sum. And the easiest way to consider this is you and I sit here and everyone, all of you with us right now, you have, you are eating better food, you have better medical care, you have more comfortable, higher end, more durable clothing, living generally in, in, you know, certainly bigger houses than you would have, etc. You know, with more comforts and flat screen TVs and everything than everybody on earth. What 50 years ago, a hundred years ago?

[Clay Travis]

Way less than that even.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean 20 years ago.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, if you consider what we. What I'm big on this because I think Buck, perspective is the key to life and gratitude is a huge part of life. If you what you expect as part of your normal day to day existence. Heck, I'm holding this up right now. The phone, the idea that you could have every bit of information that has ever existed basically in the history of the world, accessible to you in the palm of your hand at any moment of any day, all day long in 1998 would have seemed crazy. I'll give you an example for what I do, Buck. When I got to law school in 01, it was still the era of lawyers have to go to libraries and pull off tons of books to do research on what cases are are. You can get every case that's ever existed basically on Google now in 30 seconds I was playing around with AI. I was researching a legal issue this week. The quality of research that I can get from a prompt into Grok about fiduciary obligations is better than I could find in 2001 in the law school like the at my fingertips. And so I just think a lot of discomfort and dismay is not functioned based on perspective of understanding how much wealthier we all have and what our expectations are as it pertains to that wealth.

[Buck Sexton]

Well again, the naval paradigm, wealth versus status. What people like Mamdani and AOC and Bernie Sanders, even though they're all quite wealthy personally themselves in different ways depends on the perspective you want to take. Bernie is a multimillionaire, I think. I don't know what AOC is actually worth. But these individuals, what they do is agitate based on status. As in where do you fall relative to other people? You're never going to make everybody of the same status in a society. There will always be some who have more than others. They'll always. And this by the way, the communists in general, this is like the baseline of the communist ethos. Whether they're economic communists or race communists. You're never going to have perfect equality among all people at all times in any society. It's not going to exist. But what you can do or what you see them do is agitate around topics of envy, of status, of class warfare and completely forget about the fact that actually the system that we all talk about here, capitalism, of which we are a proud part on this program and our parent company, iHeartMedia, a capitalist entity that is selling great products and providing great services, is that this does good things for four people. Capitalism, commerce, makes us all wealthier. And I'm thinking about this because Jeff Bezos, I really liked this. He sat down with CNBC and I'll never forget, by the way, he sat down with Andrew Ross Sorkin and who was a. It's science. Listen to Fauci. Double mask. The science is clear. So he's just not very smart or he's a coward. I don't know which you want to say, but he was terrible. He was one of the most smarmy Covid people. Andrew, not Jeff Bezos. Andrew Ross Sorkin, he was one of the. Listen to Fauci or you're a dumb person. Anyway, he gets an interview with Jeff Bezos because CNBC is still something that the finance bros watch. Listen to what Jeff Bezos says. Clay. I think this is really important for people to hear play 15.

[Jeff Bezos]

If I do my job right, the value to society and civilization from my for profit companies will be much, much larger than the good that I do with my charitable giving. And I think this is an important point to make because people forget or they sometimes don't see that when, you know, when you create something like Amazon and you're saying, I get letters from new mothers all the time that say like, I have no idea what I would be doing right now if I didn't have Amazon.

[Steve Hilton]

Thank you.

[Jeff Bezos]

Or what we did in the pandemic when people could really see what an essential service we provided to them. And so Amazon creates tremendous value. And by the way, all companies are creating value of some kind.

[Buck Sexton]

The value creation of capitalistic enterprises creates wealth for all of us is the fundamental point.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Is something that I think gets very lost in all this. All of our brothers and sisters who work in the fossil fuel oil industry and you got all these people all, you know, they're price gouging or whatever, or they're polluting the planet or whatever it is they make all Americans and actually the whole world without fossil fuel, the whole economy comes to a screeching halt. They're making all of us wealthier in our day to day lives, more comfortable improving health care. The world is actually getting richer and wealthier. Humanity is overall. And then you have all of these people, these demagogues who point at each other and say, you know, they're the problem, they're the problem. I'm not saying that there aren't issues that have to be addressed. Of course I think taxation is too high, I think there's too much regulation. There's all these things once you get below that macro level view. But Clay, people now are trying to, they're doing all this stuff where they want to oppose AI or we need to have all these restrictions on AI and all this stuff they're forgetting at every phase of the game. The people that have tried to hold back technological progress have been wrong because it makes humanity wealthier, it makes our lives easier, better, literally makes our lives longer in many cases, and certainly makes them more comfortable. And I think Jeff Bezos pointing out, yeah, I can write a lot of checks to charities. Elon Clay is a fantastic example of this. Elon is changing the world and making money doing it. And so many of the people who change the world for the better are making money doing it. And I just, I think that this gets these days very lost and people, oh, and you know, the Mamdanis and the commies and all this other nonsense. It's never a bureaucrat waving a magic wand who makes your life actually better. People need to know this.

[Clay Travis]

I think, look, I think what Bezos said there is actually incredibly well said. I think what you're saying is also really well said. The other part I would say about AI is it's not a binary meaning. If our companies don't win AI, another country's companies will probably China. So to your point, the world is so global now that if we say, okay, we're going to forestall the creation of AI. I had a conversation recently with some senators and they were talking about AI and I said, you know, you know what Bill Clinton did during the rise of the Internet? Almost nothing. If you remember back in the 1990s, as the Internet started to take over in the United States, there was a lot of discussion about what sort of regulations could be put in Place. Section 230 was put in place, which basically said, hey, you're not responsible for the comments that people make on your content. Which I think is probably a good general rule, because it would be super hard to. I mean, basically you couldn't have commenting if you're responsible for everything. That any user posts at any moment of any given time.

[Buck Sexton]

And again, this is the platform versus publisher distinction. Platform versus publisher.

[Clay Travis]

But generally speaking, Bill Clinton, who, reminder was a Democrat, just got out of the way and said, let's let the Internet come into its own place and buck. You remember, one of the biggest things he did was you didn't get taxed on the Internet for a long time. Used to be able to the state tax. You used to be able to go on to Amazon. It was a huge advantage for Amazon and they didn't tax. And as a result, people dove in and they bought things more frequently. And you can make arguments, hey, that was an unfair competition and everything else, but in general, it was a pure laissez faire relationship that we had with the Internet.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I don't think it was an active decision so much as it was the regulation needed to catch up with the Internet. And the people who were actually supposed to write the laws had no idea what the hell they're doing. Including Bill Clinton, by the way. But that's a different.

[Clay Travis]

But that's actually my argument. If you don't know what you're doing, sometimes the best thing to do is nothing because otherwise you end up putting in place policies because you're so clueless that aren't able to understand and comprehend what's going on. And I actually sent in Bezos, actually said a lot of interesting things. I want to play this cut as well that, that I sent in from Bezos just a couple of minutes ago. He also, then I, I agree completely, by the way. Amazon is more effective at making people's lives better than the vast majority of charities in the United States.

[Buck Sexton]

Amherst has saved me, and I'm sure most of you with us right now, thousands of hours of my life that I didn't have to go somewhere. Amazon, that I didn't have to. Oh my God. I said Amherst. That is false. Amherst did not save me anything. Amherst was too expensive. Amazon, sorry.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Amazon has saved me thousands of hours of my life that it has given back to me to do better, more productive things. Whether it's just spend time with my family or, you know, get back to work or get sleep or whatever it is. It has saved me from burning time in massive quantity. And it's true of so many people. Clay, you know, used to, oh, I need to, I need to get the thing to fix the thing behind my toilet. Now I got to get up the yellow pages. Now I got to find a, you know, a plumbing supply store. Now I got to Drive to some place in Queens when I lived in New York and go to the, you know, or I can have it delivered at 8am the next morning by pressing a button. This is how much it has changed people. And I'm not saying everything is perfect. And I know that people, oh, you know, Amazon needs to pay its workers more, whatever. Overall, though, this is a massive increase of wealth. What was the clip you wanted to play, though?

[Clay Travis]

I wanted you to get cut 26 here because Bezos also weighed in on spending and taxes. Listen to this. Cut 26 quoted all the time is,

[Jeff Bezos]

you know, the wealthy should pay their fair share and we can argue about what the fair share is. That's a policy debate. That's okay. But the vilification is the thing. That's just the distraction. And, and, and by the way, if you really are being honest about it, we don't have a revenue problem in this country. We already have the most progressive tax system in the world. The top 1% of taxpayers pay 40% of all the tax revenue. The bottom half pay only 3%. We have already. And I think it should be zero. I don't think it should be 3%. I think it should be zero. So we'd be making more progressive that way. We actually have a spending problem.

[Clay Travis]

This is so well said, right? I mean, sometimes I think you have to cut through the noise. And there are people like a Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin that point this out all the time. We do not have a revenue problem in this country. We have a spending problem. The government has more money than they know what to do with and they're still going to spend more. There is no dollar figure you could give to our government where Democrats would say, well, we have enough now. We never need to take more from you. It's always grabbing more. And I think that conversation needs to happen more frequently. And business guys understand it because they have to make a profit.

[Buck Sexton]

And Bezos actually, we'll come back to this on the other side. Clay Bezos spoke about this in even more sort of personal terms. But we'll, we'll come on the, on the other, come back on the other side of this. And, and people can hear what I'm talking about. But this interview with Jeff Bayes is very interesting. And notice, I think Bezos still has a lot of work to do on becoming more conservative. You know, I think he's one of these guys who, at least he embraces capitalism. He's obviously incredibly smart. And, and you have to respect what he has done. I mean, to Build Amazon. It's. It's an amazing company. There's a reason this guy is worth. What is he worth? Like hundreds of billions. And now I don't even know what the, what the figure is. They would guess. It's certainly in. In the hundreds, Hundreds of billions.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. It's a good question. What they.

[Buck Sexton]

There's a reason this guy is one of the richest. One of the, you know, probably five, I think richest people on the planet. Same thing with Elon. They're doing amazing things. But part of this that I think people need to remember is Democrats. All they want to do is talk about how to take, take, take, take, take more from these people, these businesses, these entities are actually doing incredible things. Look at Elon between Space X, Starlink, Tesla, the boring company. His purchase of X, which I totally agree with Gad Saad, by the way, essentially saved free speech on the Internet because you needed a dramatic intervention. These things are making life better for people and making us wealthier. And I think it's really important and really powerful to take note of that, Clay. So I'll come back into, into some more of this. But, you know, we always talk about these commie Mandani in these ignorant fools. There's the other side of this. The people who know what they're talking

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Got some breaking news for you. We'll be joined by Steve Hilton here momentarily. But the breaking news is that the Trump administration has just put forward, or I should say the doj, but it is part of the Trump administration criminal charges against former Cuban President Raul Castro. DOJ currently holding a news conference about this indictment. So this is about Clay. So Raul Castro is 94 years old.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

But this is about the, you know, it's interesting. I actually talked years ago to Marco Rubio about this incident on radio, Clay, before we teamed up when Marco was a senator here in Florida. It's about the shoot down of the civilian aircraft that belong to the Cuban American group Brothers to the Rescue. Four people, three of them Americans killed in the attack. Keep in mind there is no, and you know, this is a, this is a clear, I think legal principle that's entirely defensible. There's no statute of limitation on murder. And so they are going after Raul Castro here and we will come back to this. But my friends, things are heating up for the commies in Cuba right now because this indictment, it's not just for the paper that it's printed on. There's more coming. Let's talk to our friend Steve Hilton though. We're going to shift gears to California from down here in the South Florida Cuba area. Steve, you actually can, let me just say it, you actually can win this thing. This is pretty amazing. Governor of California, you actually can win. Tell everybody what's going on.

[Steve Hilton]

It's amazing. Very simply, we are done in California. We are done with the Democrats. And you see and I saw you talking about this, Clay. I saw you on just last night talking about it. We've got on Fox, we've got my campaign, which is we're leading in the polls in California, the governor's race. You've got Spencer Pratt and all the energy there in Los Angeles. And I know it's a difficult environment this year for Republicans. We all know that, although you're seeing some great signs that that may be overstated. But certainly in California it is time for change. That age old political message is just so strongly felt. And we're leading in the polls, looking good for the primary. I don't take anything for granted. It's June 2, but election day is today and yesterday and tomorrow because it's early voting for a month now. And I'm just feeling very optimistic that we really can get this done and save California and thereby help the whole country to stop our big state drifting further into total insanity and decline.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I did say on Jesse Waters show last night. Steve, thanks for joining us. That I'm very optimistic about your campaign and also Spencer Pratt's campaign. I have a ton of really good friends in L. A, and they are talking about your campaigns in many ways connected. Because what it represents is just extreme frustration with the way things are being done right now. And I'm sure you're picking up on that energy. But I'm curious how much overlap you see between the momentum that Spencer Pratt is developing in L. A and the momentum that you're developing as governor and whether there are kinships there in terms of why you're connecting with people.

[Steve Hilton]

Yeah, it's really interesting. We're very, very different people, different races. Spencer's campaign is for mayor of L. A. That is one city among 80 or so within Los Angeles County, a huge county, largest in the country, 10 million people, 23% of the total vote in California. But his race is a nonpartisan race. I'm running as a Republican statewide, very different. But the thing that we have in common, and I really see all the time, you know, the memes being generated and people saying, vote Spencer Pratt to save L. A, Vote Steve Hilton to save California, is that we're both outsiders, we've never run for office before. And we're just not afraid to point out the total failure and corruption of this Democrat machine that's been running L. A, that's been running California without any check or balance OR challenge for 16 years now. Statewide, they've run absolutely everything. And the results are a total disaster. A complete failure on every front. Highest poverty rate in the nation. Highest unemployment rate in the nation. Highest cost of living by far. U.S. news and World Report ranks California 50th out of 50 states for opportunity. We're supposed to be number one in that. That's the whole image of California as our land of opportunity. We're 50th, we're for business climate again. We think of ourselves as a great state of innovation. Of course we are. I've just been touring an incredible pistachio plant in the Central Valley. You should see the incredible innovation and automation that goes into that. But yet Chief Executive Magazine ranks California 50th out of 50 states for business climate. Everywhere you look, it's a failure. On top of that, they've doubled the budget. We have the highest taxes in the country for the worst results. Newsom has doubled the budget in the last 10 years. And every single thing is worse. What you're seeing in California is the far left progressive governance experiment tested to destruction. They've had everything they wanted they could get. Every policy, every insane idea, everything they wanted they've got in California. And we now see the results. Total failure.

[Buck Sexton]

You mentioned pistachio, Steve. Have you ever tried pistachio creme brulee? Just wondering. Side note here.

[Steve Hilton]

Well, that isn't. I don't think I have. I just. I've just eaten a ton. Basically this.

[Buck Sexton]

Will you at least agree, Steve? I'm on a big Steve Hilton kick here. I think you're going to win the governor's race. Will you agree no matter what? My friend Clay here says that pistachio ice cream is in fact a top tier flavor.

[Steve Hilton]

Oh, my goodness. It's amazing. I totally agree with that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. Play thinks you have to eat it with a top hat and a monocle on.

[Clay Travis]

He's very do the show with a top hat in a monocle on because he has the highest end, most, most expensive taste on the planet. I don't. Pistachio ice cream is not even in the top 25 best ice cream flavors.

[Buck Sexton]

That's the craziest thing. That's the craziest thing he's ever said.

[Steve Hilton]

Massive fight here. Gonna, gonna be developing. So I don't know when we're gonna hash it all out, have some kind of taste test.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you know, we'll come to the governor's mansion when you win and we'll have an ice cream taste test. Okay, but how do we, how do we get you there at this point? Where are we with the Democrats that you're opposing? Obviously, the Swalwell thing, I was the fastest destruction of a political career I've ever seen in my life. Honestly, I don't think anyone's ever gone up in flames faster than that guy. And he was the heir apparent to Gavin Newsom. So where do things stand now with the people that want to keep ruining what I think should be the most beautiful state in America? And it really would be if they weren't ruining it.

[Steve Hilton]

Yeah. And by the way, just let's not forget that the entire Democrat political elite and establishment and machine were getting behind Swalwell. The teacher unions, the fci, all these big unions, Adam Schiff, the Pelosi cronies, all of them getting behind him, knowing everything about his reputation and all of this stuff. So let's just not let them get away with that. Where we are Right now, new poll out yesterday, which is pretty much in line with all the other polls. It's actually the Democratic Party did this one. I'm leading, I think the numbers Yesterday, I'm on 22%, Javier Becerra, 21%. The billionaire climate fanatic Tom Steyer, who, let's remember, has spent, wait for the number, $193 million so far, right. Nearly $200 million he spent of his own money, he's at 15%. The other Republican, Chad Bianco at 10%. Everyone else below that, including, I'm very sorry to say, Katie Porter, who seems to have been fading lately. I was so looking forward to all the mashed potato jokes that would have ensued if she was my opponent in the general election. Looks like she's not going to make it. It feels very much like it's going to be me and Javier Becerra, Biden's utterly useless HHS secretary. Wow, how bad do you have to be? You've got Biden administration officials openly mocking him, joking about how this, they cannot believe that he's in this position. And you've got to ask yourself, how useless do you have to be if Joe Biden and his team think that you're incompetent?

[Clay Travis]

Steve, you're a business guy. You've got a business background. If you spent $200 million as a Democrat to get in the top two of the California governor's race like Steyer did, and you didn't get into the top two of the California governor's race despite spending $200 million, what would you do? It's kind of, it's kind of its own endorsement of his incompetence that despite trying to run for an office that Democrats have owned for, for, for decades now and having more money probably than almost everybody else does combined, he can't even get in the top two.

[Steve Hilton]

It's insane. Also, remember that Tom Steyer, pathetically, because he's so desperate, this has been running around sucking up to every union and far left activist group. And that's why he's got these insane positions, you know, abolishing ice, bringing. He's actually talked about bringing back to America illegal immigrant criminals who've been deported. He wants single payer health care, you know, all these things he's been saying to get the endorsement and backing of all these leftist groups. And he's still only at 15% in the NATUS poll. And it's just unbelievable.

[Buck Sexton]

I know. We really just want everyone to be focused in because we have a very Large California audience. Because, Steve, as you can imagine, we have great stations, including like Keib in Los Angeles, and we have stations throughout the state in the major cities in Sacramento. But we've got people who feel like they're a little bit behind communist lines. Right. So we can bring some sanity to them. And you talking to them does the same thing right now with all that, with all that in mind, I'm just curious if you could help us read the tea leaves a little bit. Who do you think is the more powerful brand out of California right now, again from the opposition, Gavin or Kamala? Because you know that that's coming.

[Steve Hilton]

Oh, for sure. I think that Gavin's going to. Going to have the energy. I really do. Now, here's. Here's the thing, though, that's very important to be aware of. This is why he talked about this break glass scenario last week that got a lot of attention.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Can you wait, Steve, can you explain that to everybody? We actually didn't play that clip on the air yesterday. We meant to, but can you tell everybody what he said?

[Steve Hilton]

So he was asked about the governor's race. He has not endorsed in the governor's race.

[Clay Travis]

I think Steve is breaking up here. Let's see if we can get a cleaner Gavin news.

[Buck Sexton]

Why don't we. Can we hold up? Let's. Yeah, let's keep Steve, guys. Let's keep Steve through. We could play that Gavin Newsom sound bite, have him react, have him set it up. And in the meantime, Clay, we can pay some bills and do some great things. Commerce. We're big believers and just doing great things. You want to do something fantastic? Preborn. The preborn network of clinics are saving lives every day. This is such an important mission. So so many of you are living your pro life principles day in and day out, but you can help mothers in crisis. Right now, 80,000 children were saved by the efforts of these preborn clinics. Last year, I visited a preborn clinic down here in Miami. And it's just amazing what they're doing. And you see the little kids sometimes will come and visit the office with their mom afterwards because they're getting support. They're getting food and clothing and diapers and things to help that mom. And you see these adorable little kids running around, and they're there because the mom chose life, because preborn showed them the pathway and showed them what this really means. The ultrasound experience that preborn gives these moms is just $28. And that makes the difference so much of the time. Just that ultrasound so if you can donate $28, you'd be helping a mom bring a little baby into the world and then Preborn will be there to help her for two years after the birth of the baby as well. If you can donate $100, that would be five mothers who are contemplating life or abortion who are going to have that ultrasound. Have that appointment with the loving folks at Preborn to help them bring that baby into the world. So please get involved. Donate whatever you can $5 $5,000 whatever you can contribute to this effort. To dial, simply dial pound250 and say the keyword baby. That's pound250, say baby or visit preborn.com buck preborn.com b u c K Sponsored by Preborn Laugh, Learn, Hang with the

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Steve Hilton. We lost him in there for a moment. We went to break. We appreciate him standing a lot, hanging out with us, given how busy he is. I wanted to play this for you, Steve. This is Gavin Newsom saying, hey, I've got a plan. If by chance things aren't going my way in California, cut 31, we all have agencies.

[Buck Sexton]

We can shape the future. There's still a lot.

[Jeff Bezos]

Look, I, I've said this before, so I'll repeat it.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't anticipate this need to be the case, but there is a, like, break the glass scenario. And there's many people that have a

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

What do you think he's talking about doing, Steve? And how involved do you think Gavin's going to be in a race that really is for his successor?

[Steve Hilton]

Well, it's by the way, this is one of the reasons I hate this whole ridiculous top two system, because instead of discussing how we're going to cut taxes and the insane regulations and the gender ideology, all this insanity in California, we're discussing the minutiae of who's in the top two and how the math works out. But that is the system. So let's get into it. What Gavin Newsom desperately wants is two Democrats in the top two, because he knows that if you have two Democrats in The top two, then there'll be no discussion of his record in the general election campaign in California because it will all be about how far left they can go outbidding each other. If it's Becerra versus Steyer, which is what Gavin Newsom wants, they won't be talking about how useless Gavin Newsom has been. If it's me, that obviously is what I'll be talking about, because we're going to be making the point that we need change. Another point. If there's a prospect of a Republican governor taking office at the beginning of next year, that is a disaster for Newsom's presidential campaign because, A, he'll be entering the Democrat primary having just lost his home state of California, the crown jewel of the Democrat machine. Secondly, when I take office and I'm up the mess that he left behind, I'll be not just helping everyone in California, I'll be helping everyone across the country understand exactly what a disaster Gavin Newsom would be as president. So he's trying to avoid that. And what he's actually trying to do here is raise the prospect of two Republicans in the final as a boogeyman and trying to keep alive. And here's how it works. There's one other Republican in the race, Chad Bianco. He's far behind me. As I mentioned in the poll just Now, I'm on 22%. He's on 10%. He can't actually make it in the top two. But what Newsom and the Democrats want is for his vote to go up so that you end up with two Democrats taking those top slots. So there's a very simple point that everyone needs to understand right now in California who hasn't voted yet. A vote for the other. A lot of people may be saying, look, Steve Hilton looks like he's got this. He's leading in the polls. I can try and get the other Republican in the top two by voting for him. No, that is a disaster because that is how we would end up with two Democrats. We've got to get behind the leading Republican, that's me, to make sure that we get a Republican in the final. Every vote right now for Chad Bianco, the other Republican is actually a vote for two Democrats in the top two. Very important. We understand that.

[Clay Travis]

A.B. hernandez, this is really crazy. It's been going on for multiple years now. This is a boy pretending to be a girl winning multiple girls championships. Are you hearing about it on the campaign trail?

[Steve Hilton]

Very much so. And in fact, I. This is. This is a Track and Field Championships. California Track and Field championships. And it was last year, a year ago, I actually went there to announce my position on this and how I've got a very strong commitment to overturn the law that set up this insanity of biological males in girls sports and in locker rooms and all the rest of it. This is a bill that was passed 13 years ago, AB 1266. It's a good example of how this far left insanity starts in California and then infects the rest of the country. Thirteen years we've been living with this. Well, I'm going to overturn that bill and we're going to end this insanity in California. And yet again it's happening this year in this year's championships. And it's just an outrage. I mean, in fact there's a fantastic campaigner, Sophia, who gave me a wristband back like a year ago when I dispositioned at a press conference with campaigning against this insanity. The wristbands have saved Goal Sports and I promised her then I would wear it until I actually do it. And that's what I will do as governor.

[Buck Sexton]

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