Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Mar 22 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Sunday Hang (March 22, 2026)

Episode Theme Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the intersection of pop culture, politics, and media, using humor and sharp commentary to analyze the biggest stories of the week. The episode shifts from a tribute to iconic actor Robert Duvall to playful banter about viral moments and mustaches, before exploring how contemporary media treats father figures, the problem of inauthenticity in politicians, and how social media is reshaping public engagement with national narratives.

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Major Discussion Points and Key Insights

1. Remembering Robert Duvall

[04:19–06:59]

• Clay and Buck start on a somber note, announcing the passing of legendary actor Robert Duvall at age 95.
• They reflect on his iconic roles in "The Godfather," "Apocalypse Now," and the miniseries "Lonesome Dove."
• Debate over whether "The Godfather" or "The Godfather Part II" is superior, with both hosts agreeing these are among the greatest films ever made.

"He was McCall. Gus. He was Gus... Probably the greatest miniseries of all time." – Clay Travis [04:19]

"I mean the Consigliere in the Godfather is, I think that's just—you can't be more iconic in a non leading role than that." – Buck Sexton [05:35]

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2. Pop Culture—From Miss South Carolina to AOC

[07:03–10:25]

• The hosts and their team create a mashup mixing the infamous 2007 Miss South Carolina answer with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s vague remarks on U.S.-China policy.
• They humorously question the qualifications of politicians who struggle with basic global knowledge, suggesting social media can make or break political personas.

"Maybe she should be in Congress. Maybe that's the lesson we should take here. Because AOC has been in Congress eight years and sounds like Miss South Carolina from 2007." – Clay Travis [09:59]

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3. Riffing on Listener Feedback & The Godfather Debate

[11:57–14:48]

• A listener criticizes the show for “promoting” violent Mafia movies, prompting a discussion about separating art from the reality of organized crime.
• Buck points out how film and TV often glamorize criminality, making anti-heroes sympathetic.

"The depiction of the Mafia, the American mob, the Cosa Nostra, as like honorable men who really... No, they actually like, threaten small business owners and like hurt people that are defenseless and take their money." – Buck Sexton [12:47]

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4. The Decline of Good Guy Dads in Pop Culture

[15:19–18:40]

• Observations on the demise of the “good guy” character—especially wholesome dads—in TV and film.
• Nostalgic references: "Little House on the Prairie," "Full House," "Family Matters," "Fresh Prince," and "Growing Pains" are highlighted as embodying positive, traditional father figures.
• They lament the anti-hero trend, with figures like Tony Soprano shifting cultural attitudes.

"When's the last show that was popular where the good guys are just good?" – Clay Travis [15:54]
"Coach Eric Taylor [in Friday Night Lights]: last great dad character on television." – Clay Travis [18:05]

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5. Hollywood’s Shift to Anti-Heroes & Social Change

[19:28–26:08]

• The hosts analyze how the entertainment industry has replaced admirable leads with flawed, even villainous protagonists.
• Notable mentions include "Pretty Woman," which Buck harshly critiques for promoting “absurd and honestly grotesque” ideals, and modern films like "The Shape of Water."
• They both note an underserved demand for positive, relatable family-centric entertainment.

"It just became this idea... Tony Soprano, to me, became the ideal father figure, and it just descent meaning in terms of what they wanted to create... and then it descended from Soprano and just got worse and worse." – Clay Travis [20:02]

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6. Political Gaffes at the Munich Security Conference – AOC and Whitmer

[30:16–38:26]

• Buck and Clay dissect political missteps by Gretchen Whitmer and AOC at an international policy event.
• Whitmer’s lack of foreign policy acumen was at least self-aware, while AOC’s responses, they argue, betrayed both ignorance and overconfidence.
• Criticism centered on politicians failing to do minimal prep for predictable questions.

"She should know more than this. You work in politics. You should have more to say than that. And you want to be president." – Buck Sexton [33:32]

"AOC is in Congress, there are constant hearings about what should happen if Taiwan is invaded by China... she is in the federal government, which would be called upon to respond." – Clay Travis [37:33]

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7. Inauthenticity and Political Performance in the Age of Social Media

[41:22–44:23]

• The hosts reflect on how politicians now behave more like “social media influencers” than public servants.
• Audience engagement and perceptions are driven by style and digital reach—not necessarily by substance.

"They're social media influencers... They're characters. They are entities online more than anything else." – Buck Sexton [41:49]

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8. Media Literacy and Tribalism in News Consumption

[43:15–44:23]

• Clay questions whether viewers of left-wing networks are ever exposed to their own tribe’s gaffes.
• Buck believes that legacy media is so partisan it actively suppresses stories that would embarrass favored politicians.

"They view it as a betrayal, actually. If you show your home team looking dumb, they get mad at you. It doesn't matter that it's news." – Buck Sexton [43:42]

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• "Maybe she should be in Congress. Maybe that's the lesson we should take here." – Clay Travis on Caitlin Upton vs. AOC [09:59]
• "The depiction of the Mafia, the American mob, the Cosa Nostra, as like honorable men who really... No, they actually like, threaten small business owners." – Buck Sexton [12:47]
• "When's the last show that was popular where the good guys are just good?" – Clay Travis [15:54]
• "They're social media influencers... They are entities online more than anything else." – Buck Sexton [41:49]
• "She should know more than this. You work in politics. You should have more to say than that. And you want to be president." – Buck Sexton on Whitmer [33:32]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:19] – Robert Duvall’s death and his career.
• [07:03] – The AOC and Miss South Carolina viral mashup.
• [11:57] – Listener backlash to praising Mafia characters.
• [15:19] – The decline of wholesome dads in TV/film.
• [20:02] – Evolution from "good guy" shows to anti-heroes.
• [30:16] – Analysis of AOC and Whitmer’s foreign policy flubs.
• [41:49] – Politicians as social media influencers.
• [43:15] – Media tribalism and selective exposure.

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Episode Takeaways

• Pop culture and politics remain deeply intertwined—the way society views criminals, heroes, and even politicians is filtered through entertainment and storytelling.
• Authenticity and substance seem undervalued in today's political and media environment, replaced instead by superficial image and digital charisma.
• There’s widespread nostalgia—and perceived demand—for positive, traditional portrayals of families and authority figures in media.
• Media tribalism shields political figures from criticism among their own followers, reinforcing echo chambers and bias.

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This episode features rapid-fire wit and a critical yet playful tone, offering listeners keen insights into the links between culture, politics, and media in 2026. Whether discussing American cinema or the pitfalls of political branding, Clay and Buck keep the conversation lively, humorous, and thought-provoking.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

guys gals and nothing in between. Fuel your [e-mail] Sunday hang with Clay and Buck. Some sad news. Robert Dval, 95 years old, legendary actor. Godfather, Apocalypse Now, To Kill a Mockingbird I loved him in one of the great westerns of all time, Lonesome Dove. For those of you out there who remember the miniseries based on the Larry McMurtry Pulitzer Prize winning book. He was McCall. Gus. He was Gus. And Call was played by Tommy Lee Jones. One of the great westerns. I think it was a miniseries on television. Probably the greatest miniseries of all time. Incredible thousand page book about a cattle drive from Texas to Montana. But Robert Duvall, and a lot of you obviously are going to remember him from Godfather. But Robert Duvall, dead at the age of 95. That has just come down in the past couple of minutes. You have a favorite Robert Duvall character.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean the Consulari Consiglieri and the Godfather is, I think the that's just you can't be more iconic in a non leading role than that. I think, I think that was really. He was really good, sir. I'm German Irish, you know. I remember the whole. Remember he goes, he goes, the guy, he wants the role and he's like. And if he tries any rough stuff, I ain't a boy scout. Remember that whole thing then the horse's head and his bed. Godfather 1 is an incredible holds up and an incredible. A lot of old movies people don't like to hear this. There's a lot of indicating not acting. They're too slow, whatever. Godfather 1 is incredible still to this day. Great.

[Clay Travis]

I think you can make an argument Godfather 2 is better than Godfather 1 which is one of the rare of all time sequels that you can even make an argument is better than the original.

[Buck Sexton]

A lot of people say that I'm. I'm in the camp that the original, the first one is still the best one. The second one is obviously a phenomenal movie too. I like the first one better just as a movie. I enjoyed it more. A lot of people of our parents generation I think would say that the Godfather is their. They think the best movie of all time. There's definitely a. Fair enough. If you look on like, like top 100 all time movie lists. Godfather is routinely 1 and 2 are routinely top 10, top 5.

[Clay Travis]

Truly phenomenal. In fact I was talking about the Godfather this weekend with my kids who haven't seen it yet. I was telling him I need to. To get it on Sunday.

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We have our talented team has mixed and matched AOC with and this is great. 2007 Ms. South Carolina. Do we know Buck? What happened to 2007 Ms. South Carolina? I may have to grock it to find out where she is now. But for those of you who have forgotten, this was viral Buck, in the earliest days of social media. Like is this rock?

[Buck Sexton]

Like, such as.

[Clay Travis]

Oh yes. Oh yeah. We have now mixed AOC and I would encourage producer Greg to do a video version of this and share it on social media because I think it will do well. Here is Ms. South Carolina asked about Iraq. And here is now a mix AOC asked about what should happen with Taiwan and China. Enjoy.

[Narrator/Host Intro]

Recent polls have shown a fifth of

[Buck Sexton]

Americans can't locate the US On a world map. Why do you think this is?

[Narrator/Host Intro]

I personally believe that U. S are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have that.

[AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)]

You know, I think that this is such a. You know, I think that And I

[Narrator/Host Intro]

believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq everywhere, like such as.

[AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)]

And this is a. This is, of course, a very long standing policy of the United States.

[Narrator/Host Intro]

I believe that they should. Our education over here in the US should help the US or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for our children.

[AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)]

And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point and we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you very much.

[Clay Travis]

That is very well done. That is very well done. Her name, by the way, Buck, Caitlin Upton. She was Miss Teen USA and she went on to Appalachian State University. Go apsu. And she is now married with two kids. Oh, sorry. She got divorced. Well, anyway, that is. That is where she is now gone.

[Buck Sexton]

Really.

[Clay Travis]

She married a personal trainer. They got divorced a couple of years later. So I'm sorry, maybe Caitlin's listening right now.

[Buck Sexton]

Maybe, maybe she went for the abs over the character. You know what I'm saying? That's a mistake, ladies. It's a mistake. Take it from a guy with more character than abs. Maybe.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe she should be in Congress. Maybe that's the lesson we should take here. Because AOC has been in Congress eight years and sounds like Miss South Carolina from 2007. Sunday drop with Clay and Buck reacting to AOC saying whiteness is imaginary. A fun take from Pete.

[Buck Sexton]

If whiteness is imaginary, does that mean white privilege isn't a thing?

[Clay Travis]

It's a very legit question. White privilege could not exist if whiteness is imaginary. A good question that would have followed up for AOC to explain exactly what that would mean. Let's have some more fun. Sean in Pennsylvania, News Radio 570 WKBN has this to say.

[Buck Sexton]

You ought to do the Amish man

[Clay Travis]

beard where you have the beard and you shave the mustache. The Amish beard, Buck, remember who's the most famous person you can think of with the Amish beard in recent history? I've got an answer. I'm curious if you come up with the same one.

[Buck Sexton]

I got. I got nothing, buddy. I have no idea.

[Clay Travis]

Moses Schrute on the office. He has got the old school Amish beard. Just the beard. No, Craig. Producer Greg says, see Everett Coop. I haven't seen that name in a very long time. He had the Amish be Ed in Titusville, Florida. Wfla.

[Buck Sexton]

If I had a mustache like Clay, I would be embarrassed to even call out a mustache. Whoa. Hey, hey. You know, mustache team, you need to encourage. You guys need more in your ranks. I'm just gonna be honest with you right now, right now, the mustache. Unless you're a pilot. Pilots, they get special mustache, you know, dispensation. But for the rest of you out there, the mustache is almost like a curiosity right now. It's like, whoa, you've got a mustache. Not a lot of mustachio gentlemen walking around.

[Clay Travis]

This one stuns me. Buck. We can have some fun reacting to this. Richard in Pueblo, Colorado. I gotta be honest with you, I never expected this to set anyone off.

[Buck Sexton]

D you two if you didn't. Oh, promote the disgusting and evil and violent movies like the Godfather series. These people were animals, man. And that you promote them pretty much disgusts me. Now, can I just say we're talking about a movie that's like one of the most Oscar winning movies of all time. So I don't know about us promoting them. I will say that I Actually there's a little. The gentleman needs to take a walk outside, touch grass. It's. It's ok. But I will say one, one thing here, Clay.

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[Buck Sexton]

The depiction of the Mafia, the American mob, the Cosa Nostra, as like honorable men who really. No, they actually like, threaten small business owners and like hurt people that are defenseless and take their money. Like they are bad guys. Actually, that's. That's.

[Clay Travis]

Movies can be about bad people and be really entertaining. I would just toss out there, yeah,

[Buck Sexton]

like, Scarface is a good movie. I'm not saying anyone should be like Tony Montana, but anyway, so we have a bunch of things to get to. We were just though, talking about the. The Mafia thing. I will say that was always the problem we had. We had a listener get very mad that we're promoting them like the Mafia, which I don't think that's what we're doing. The Godfather is kind of a universally celebrated film. There are plenty of movies. You know, I could say the Exorcist

[Clay Travis]

is that we could get. And by the way, the reason we were talking about the Godfather is this is a sad story. Robert Duvall died 95 years old. So we were talking about all the movies that he had been in that were iconic. And the Godfather is one of those roles. I said Lonesome Dove, which is one of the great westerns of all time. I did not anticipate that we would be criticized for Saying the Godfather 1 and 2 are good films.

[Buck Sexton]

I didn't see that one coming. But I will say, I think in general that the. The Italian mafia in America has gotten far more generous pop culture treatment than it actually deserves. That's my. And I had a. An uncle in law enforcement who worked against the mob in New York for a while. And he. This was a thing. He would. He would kind of stand on this one. He would. He would say he would stand on this hill and he would say that the notion that these guys, they're all just, you know, they're honorable family guys who got to do what they got to do. I mean, there may be a little bit of that, but there was a lot of, I'm sending two thugs to collect the gambling debt, and I'm going to break, you know, this single father's kneecaps unless they give me the money. Like, that's actually what they were doing.

[Clay Travis]

So is it fair to say, I think this is probably accurate, that whatever criminal element you are in, it has been better received? Like, there aren't that many in the last 20 years? I would say good guy, bad guy setups. It feels like the bad guys have become the anti hero. No matter whether it's the mob, whether it's drug dealing, whatever it is, they have flipped the script on good guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Right?

[Clay Travis]

Like, who is the last real good guy that was popular in popular culture and he didn't have a dark side. I was the reason. I was actually thinking about this because Laura, last night as we got ready for bed, was watching Little House on the Prairie. Whatever you think about Little House on the Prairie, it was a top show for eight or nine years. And all we talked about this before. All of the father figures are just really good. Like, Michael Landon is just a really. PA Is a really good guy. When's the last show that was popular where the good guys are just good?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is. Now you're getting into the broader, broader theme of. I think in general, Hollywood has. And the creative industries in this country in general have just have pushed a lot of degeneracy and a lot of, you know, we grew up and there would be shows. And now I'm giving up the game here because Clay and I actually watched the same shows because it would have been in high school at the same time, but there were shows like Full House. Danny Tanner, which is funny because Bob Saget in Rest in Peace in real life, was kind of a salty comedian. But. But Danny Tanner, salty on. On Full House, was like lovable, reliable dad all about his kids. You know, wife had died, I think of cancer or something on the show. I forget what the backstory was, but. Same thing with Carl from Full House. I'm sorry, not Full House. Family Matters. Lovable dad, cop, middle class, black family. You know, everybody, Fresh Prince, Uncle Phil, Cosby the kid.

[Clay Travis]

I know what happened with Bill Cosby, but.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I know this is. We always do the Cosby thing. Like, you know, there's Cosby the character versus. You got to be able to separate these things a little bit. So yeah, Fresh Prince, by the way, you know that house is up for. That house is like a 60 million dollar house now that they, that they show the base.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

No, it's not like a nice house. It's a crazy nice house.

[Clay Travis]

Is that that well that they. The growing pains. Like you run through Tony Danza, who's the boss, Every dad, Tim Allen.

[Buck Sexton]

These, these dads were dedicated, competent, masculine, handsome or handsome enough. And then we kind of got into the era of dads are all kind of schlubs or the only dads that can be competent are dads that are sort of non traditional. You know, they, they have something about them that is, you know, maybe there's two dads, then the dads can be good. Like you start to look at this and you go, what really is the messaging that is being sent? I think that this is, I think it's very real. I don't think this is something that we sound like church lady from SNL over here. Like, well isn't that special? Like I think that there's actually a real thing behind this and it's. You know who I would say? Coach Eric Taylor.

[Clay Travis]

Friday Night Lights, last great dad character on television.

[Buck Sexton]

He's a great. I also, I'm like a Carl Kyle Chandler superfan is like, I like him at everything he's in, I think. And if you haven't seen Friday Night Lights, it's a little weird because they have like 30 year old Abercrombie models playing like 16 year old high school kids. You got to get past that for a second. Which they don't really do. You know, they actually have people that play their age much more now there it wasn't too long ago I even showed you Clay. Well, my mom played a high school student in Summer of my German Soldier. She was in her 20s and had two kids. She was playing a 16 year old.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, right. It was very common. I mean very common to one. Oh is the most like back in the day, I mean you had people who were in their 30s.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, Andrea was in her 30s playing

[Clay Travis]

a high school kid, was like 35 playing a 16.

[Buck Sexton]

I've never seen someone in their 30s that. I'm like, they look like they're in high school. Like, that's not a thing. So that was something that we all just accepted in television for a while. Was very weird. Friday Night Lights has a little bit of that. Like, some of the characters are well cast, but some of them look way my. The guy who gets paralyzed in the show, to me, he looks like he's, you know, in his late twenties. And also Tyra. There are no high school girls that look like Tyra. She went on to play like a marvel superheroine or whatever right after this. Like, that's. She's not in high school.

[Clay Travis]

I got to meet her once. I was such a fan of Friday Night Lights. She was in the. At the hotel bar by Fox lot.

[Commercial Voice]

And.

[Clay Travis]

And I went over and said, I'm a huge fan. But I mean, to your point, we basically have eliminated dads from pop culture, and there are no positive dad pop culture characters. And I think there is a huge opportunity to push back against the counterculture and solve this issue. I think there's a demand for it.

[Buck Sexton]

Have you. Is the Tim Allen show is that one that I didn't forget what people I. I always get lit up for not having watched. I really have not seen Tim Allen's stuff. And I know everyone says he's great and is he a dad?

[Clay Travis]

The Last Man Standing is good. He's great in the Santa Claus, which a lot of people see every Christmas season as a, you know, failed or struggling dad. But I think there just became this idea. We're talking about the mob. Tony Soprano, to me, became the ideal father figure, and it just descent meaning in terms of what they wanted to create in. In. In art, in. In shows. And then it descended from Soprano and just got worse and worse.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I guess they. They have to because they can't have you hate the guy. But the truth is they're always like, he's not really a mobster, because he always will kind of draw this line of not doing the thing that's like, really goes too far. And the truth is that's not the way that these guys operate. And, you know, they. They hurt a lot of. They hurt and threaten a lot of. Of innocent, defenseless people. That's actually what organized crime does. Like, no one makes these excuses for the Russian mobile. Like, the Russian mob is particularly ruthless with what they do back home in Russia. It's one of the ways they enforce. I worked with an NYPD guy who spent his whole career in the Russian mob. I used to ask him questions about this all the time. And he says that they hear they just want to rip people off and run scams. But if you're part of the Russian community and you rat or you do, they'll get your family back in Russia. That's actually how they go after people a lot of the time. And they're absolutely ruthless. No one's like, yeah, but they're family guys, you know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

You know, who never has a positive portrayal, probably deservedly so. Cartels. There's no like, oh, the cartels are actually pretty good guys.

[Buck Sexton]

And I mean, Sosa and Scarface is pretty slick, but I hear you.

[Clay Travis]

So.

[Buck Sexton]

So you're like, if I have to hang out with a cartel guy, this guy, I bet he throws great dinner parties.

[Clay Travis]

Most of the Mexican cartel stories or the Latin American stories, the bad guys are pretty bad. But anyway, I do think it's emblematic that this conversation came out of the guy being upset. The movie is fantastic. It is an aspirational and it reminds me of. Remember when I thought Julia Roberts actually had a great response on this? But when Pretty Woman came out, so the Julia Roberts started getting criticized and they said, you know, my daughter now wants to grow up and be a hooker.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I agree with the Pretty Woman criticism. I think Pretty Woman is a trash movie. It's bizarre. The whole thing makes no sense.

[Clay Travis]

But her argument was, well, it's. You shouldn't be showing Pretty Woman to like a 10 year old.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's, that's a, that's, that's also true. But, but I think that's a little bit of a cop out because the whole. If you think about Pretty Woman, it's a horrible movie. Like, I mean, I would say horrible. I'm not saying it's not entertaining. I'm not saying it's not entertaining. But if you look at what this is about, first of all, I mean, I don't know, you know, are you

[Clay Travis]

suggesting that super rich guys who are good looking like Richard Gere, don't and

[Buck Sexton]

fundamentally kind and decent aren't picking up hookers on Rodeo or not on Rodeo Drive on Hollyw Boulevard and then having them live with them for the week? Yeah, not so much. It is an absurd and honestly grotesque movie. But it's got a good soundtrack and, you know, everyone's supposed. I'm also, by the way, Julia Roberts overrated maybe, maybe even, I mean, not quite as overrated as Natalie Portman, but still overrated. I don't care what anyone says.

[Clay Travis]

I think Julia Roberts, back in the day, I was going to say, you know what movie really doesn't stand up big.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah. Weird, weird.

[Clay Travis]

Big, which made like $500 million back in the day and starred Tom Hanks, is. If you watch big today, you're like, this is a super, super weird movie. Like on so many different levels. Go back.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought that. I thought the recent movie with the. I said it's the woman who falls in love with her aquarium pet, the Shape of Water. This woman falls in. It won the best picture Clay, like five years ago or something. It's a woman who basically like a weird amphibious thing. Amphibious? Well, she's saying. Producer Ali's saying splash.

[Clay Travis]

Splash is like mermaids.

[Buck Sexton]

Mermaids are, you know, I mean, a mermaid. You got the top half is human.

[Clay Travis]

Also, the mermaid is clearly not real. Right? Like, right. Just FYI, I don't want to kill any of the big mermaid truthers out there, but.

[Buck Sexton]

But this, the. The Shape of Water, this is a full on like amphibious monster. And she's like, let's, let's. Let's get down with some. Some naughty time. Amphibious monster.

[Clay Travis]

Were you on a date? How did this end up on your repertoire of watching films?

[Buck Sexton]

It was years ago. I probably was on a date. I. Everything that's really bad that I get

[Clay Travis]

dragged to this doesn't sound like, what, hey, you know what I want to do in my free time? I want to watch the Shape of Water.

[Buck Sexton]

This sounds Best picture Oscar. Not like it was nominated, Clay. It won best picture. It's not even a good movie. And it has. This woman was falling in love with. The whole thing is bizarre degeneracy, pure degeneration. And people get mad at me because they say I don't like everything. That's not true because like on Netflix, I said the rip, which you liked, by the way, which is a totally. Clay. Clay the Rippy trash.

[Clay Travis]

My standard for movies is do I sit and watch it for two hours and not look at my watch to know how I couldn't get through it?

[Buck Sexton]

I couldn't even fit. I bailed last like half hour. I'm like, this movie is so, so dumb. Makes no sense at all. But people ask the Netflix. Netflix has got great movies. Did the recent Frankenstein movie on Netflix. If those of you who actually read the original. Original.

[Clay Travis]

I've seen it.

[Buck Sexton]

Really good. It's a beautiful rendition of the true Frankenstein tale. And it's done by not Benicio del Toro, the other del Toro, whatever his name is. You know, the, not the actor, but the directors. Guillermo, Guillermo del Toro and. And also the, the All Quiet on the Western front. Netflix movies. One of the best, one of the best war movies I've ever seen. Maybe even a top 10 war movie. Definitely top 20. So they do do some good stuff. I'm not just here to trash things, but man, the Shape of Water was like brain damage.

[Clay Travis]

I think there's a lot of. Again I I just go back and I was thinking about it even more as I watched Little House. I think I'm just telling you, if you're out there, Full House, Fresh Prince, Family Matters, Growing Pains, Cosby show, who's the Boss. If you grew up in the 80s or the 90s, you have a very positive association with that. There is a huge demand I think for dads and moms who live in a house and like each other, sometimes argue and or the family ties. Like all of these shows back in the day, they were so good and so popular. I don't believe that that demand has vanished. I really don't. I think that there is an ample opportunity to satisfy a market that has not been served in a long time with good options there.

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[Buck Sexton]

and Buck so it wasn't just AOC who had a bit of a moment at the Munich Security Conference. Gretchen Whitmer, who I think knows about as much about national security as I do about SEC football defensive coordinators.

[Clay Travis]

I would just say SEC football.

Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Really? It's a Monday. We're going right for it. Wow.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think you have to go specifically to the coaching staff. I think SEC football probably gets you.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, you think you know a guy and then out of nowhere Kicking the. Kicking the shins. All right. Yeah, fine. SEC football. Fair point. Now, now, Gretchen Whitmer is over there and we all, we all know why she's there, right? She's. You gotta think. I actually think she may be in the best. It's funny actually, isn't it? Because these are two women. If you were asking me. And I guess we can do this now. Bet on the 28 Democrat VP. It I. These two women would be my. The top of my list and maybe even the number one, number two slot. You need a woman for the ticket. I don't think you can have a woman on top of the ticket because they've tried that a few times and they've lost. So I think they're going to get away from that. I think it probably is going to be Gavin Newsom could be wrong on that. But no matter who it is at the top, unless it's one of these two, but I don't think that's going to happen. I think Gretchen Whitmer is very likely as a Democrat vp. And actually this would be interesting. Who do you think right now is aoc? If you had to place a bet, AOC or Whitmer for vp? Forget about who the president is vp. Which one do you think has the better shot? I have to say, realistically, it's Whitmer.

[Clay Travis]

I agree with me, because Michigan is. Must win. There's no, there's no world in which Democrats win in 2028 without winning Michigan. They have to. I mean, they look, they have to win Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, probably all three. But they cannot win without. I think they should have picked Shapir Whitmer in 28. If Kamala weren't a moron, if we

[Buck Sexton]

were going to sell our souls and try to help the bad guys win. And they hired me and they said, who should. I would say same. Clay feels the same way. Michigan. You got to win Michigan. And more than ever, probably for the Democrats going forward, they got to win Michigan. And Gretchen Whitmer, I think could help deliver that for them. That all that all is is going toward this, though, which is she's over there because she has to create this perception that she's more than a state governor, that she could be on the national stage. And here is how that went for her. Let's listen to Governor Whitmer weighing in on national security abroad on Ukraine.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

What does victory look like? Ambassador?

[Clay Travis]

No, please. I'd love to hear your answer.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

It is. The two that I am on the panel with are much more steeped in foreign policy than. Than a governor is. But, you know, I do think that Ukraine's independence, keeping their. Their landmass and having the support of. Of all the allies, I think is. Is the goal from my vantage point. Go ahead, Ambassador. Do a better job now.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I say something? She at least knows that she knows nothing and was willing to kind of so much. The AOC thing was like, no, I'm really smart. I'm really smart. I don't know anything, but I'm smart. And everyone's like, no, you're not. This one, at least she's willing to be like, I know nothing. But I will say this, Clay, she should know more than this. You work in politics. You should have more to say than that. And you want to be president.

[Clay Travis]

You traveled to Munich for a foreign policy conference. She got hit on Meet the Press. And the first question was, hey, how do we get Grand Rapids booming again? Just picking a random Michigan region, right? An area which the governor should know. And then the next question was, where exactly should the line be drawn when it comes to Ukraine and Russia trying to develop a peace accord? When you. And she's sitting doing an interview in Lansing. When you travel to a foreign policy conference, it doesn't seem ridiculous to me that you could do a bare minimum of foreign policy research, because otherwise you could just say, hey, I'm so busy being governor right now, I don't have time to travel to Europe and sit on a foreign policy panel. And also, again, I come back to. There are some conflicts which are not very well known or very well covered. And that could be a complicated question to answer. Answering a question as an American politician in 2026 about Ukraine as. And Russia, as Whitmer was asked, and about Taiwan and China as AOC was asked. Probably, Buck, if I were doing prep. Let's pretend that you and I were sitting around and we were thinking, hey, what might you get answered in Munich at a foreign policy conference? As a American, I would think Those are number one and number two most likely questions. Maybe about NATO, maybe about the U.N. you know, like, I can think of other three and four, but I would argue that's one and two most likely to be asked.

[Buck Sexton]

This isn't like, hey, weigh in on the Rohingya crisis and the border dispute between Bangladesh, Bangladesh and Myan, Myanmar. No, this is like, that's really vague. Very few people even know about that as a thing unless you work in international diplomacy or something. Although it is a real thing, it's pretty nasty. Point is, what you said, which is. This is the absolute top of the list. Like, ok, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna lean into this. So when I went into the football game, the big one, that I don't even know if I'm allowed to say what it's called on radio because there's all these rules, but I think I can. I can say the Super Bowl. I think I can mention it. Right?

[Clay Travis]

They always try to protect the use of the phrase super bowl, which means everybody's like, when you watch the big game, whatever, it's the Super Bowl.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's. It's a. There's a first amendment right that the NFL should step off anyway because you can refer to things when you're talking about things that are going on in the world without their say so. That's pretty, it's pretty annoying that they have that weird policy. And the Oscars does kind of the same thing too. They're like, how dare you? You know, it's like. But usually that's with video. Point being, Clay, you gave me some, some crib notes so that I could go in there with all the other dads and moms with their kids. It was like a child friendly Super Bowl. So it was basically just like romper room. It was like people just on tricycles ramming each other.

[Clay Travis]

Everybody out there. For people who forgot, I gave you like two points that make to seem like you were sophisticated and then you just withdraw. And you've demonstrated enough conversant knowledge on football.

[Buck Sexton]

So I'm just saying I deployed those points and it was like I was welcome in the football tribe for the day. It was like, yeah, that's right. You know? Yeah. As people thought. Cause they didn't know. They don't know who I am. These are like friends of friends mostly. It wasn't my super bowl party. So I, I see them like normal. With foreign policy, it's the same thing. You get prepped by your team, you know what the main things are you're going to say, you say those things and everyone feels AOC and, and Whitmer couldn't even do that. They couldn't even pretend to know who the QBs are. Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, and I would also point out Whitmer, to your point, at least, laughed off her ignorance. And a lot of people will give you a pass if you just say, hey, there's a lot of people who know way more about that than I do. AOCs in Congress, there are constant hearings about what should happen if Taiwan is invaded by China. This is not. I mean, she is in the federal government, which would be called upon to respond. Again, I gave you an answer which is just, hey, I'm a congresswoman. Right now, I don't dictate foreign policy. I think it's important to maintain our policy of strategic ambiguity. Maybe somewhere down the line, if I'm sitting behind the Resolute desk and we get President aoc, then I will have to make a determination on that. As a factual matter, I hope not, because I hope that China never invades Taiwan and we don't have to deal with the international implications of that incident.

[Buck Sexton]

Boom.

[Clay Travis]

That's an answer, Buck. I didn't need to get prepped. I'm not in Munich. But if you go to a foreign policy event, you or I, even if we were super busy with our other jobs, could get briefed for one hour on the 10 biggest global flashpoints in America and be able to hand handle any question on those incidents. It's just indicative of not doing a bare minimum of homework and also not being very. It makes me think that all they do, and I think there is a great deal of this, is just memorize answers. And I think that's going to become increasingly exposed in the modern era when all that matters is authenticity. We were just talking about this off air. Trump creates Every single week three stories that 10 years ago would have destroyed any other politician. Right? Every single week, he says three things and everybody loses their mind. And they last about 24 hours because people understand that Trump is a bull in a China shop. And they have come to accept the good with the bad, for better or worse, Right? And the funny part about this is, obviously the people with the worst Trump derangement syndrome still believe. Oh, this time. This time we got him. He's definitely done the unbelievable at every time. It's like Lucy with the football. They come running up, they're Charlie Brown football gets moved around, they fall on their back and they're staring up at the sky. And Trump just gets more powerful. It's because as long as you fulfill the expectations that you have set, but most people are willing to accept what you are. And I just look at AOC and Whitmer and I say they're supposed to be the adults in the room. These were not adults in the room conversations. And if you think you're going to be vp, I think AOC is going to run for president. I think Gretchen Whitmer's going to run for president. I think these guys are going to get exposed because they haven't done the bare minimum of homework. Now, the scary thing, Buck, is you could maybe argue none of this matters. I know I are talking about it, but if you like AOC or you're a Democrat, you just frankly don't care about the fact that they don't even have functional abilities to answer a question. Also, AOC screwed up the equator with Venezuela, which I'm more.

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[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry, I didn't know. I didn't see this. But I just love.

[Clay Travis]

We can grab the audio of that. She said you can't just go to countries that are below the equator and do whatever you want to them. Venezuela is above the equator. Now, I actually am willing to give a little bit more of a pass on that. But it goes into the identity politics thing in her mind, Right. If she had just said Latin America, like that is the right answer. But she decided to try to claim that she knew where the equator was and didn't understand that she, she leaned

[Buck Sexton]

into sixth grade social studies and came up, came up snake eyes on that one. That's too bad. I think that unfortunately, one of the byproducts of social media as increasingly a dominant form of communication and all the different platforms together is that politicians now are increasingly. They're influencers.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, they're social media. They've always been influencers, but I'm saying they're social media influencers. They're. They're characters. They are entities online more than anything else. And so a lot of these things just come into. Do you like the way someone looks? Do you like the way they sound? Do you like their general style and the kinds of things that they say? If they're an abject moron with a history of terrible decision making and I don't know that, that, that a lot of people really care. I think that that's increasingly what we're heading toward. You know, it used to, didn't. It used to be like they would have, you know, go back to like, I don't know, the 1880s or something. People would do the, the politician would do the train stop tour and go to some places and give some speeches. But you really, you know, you read the speech in the newspaper and you read what the party platform was and you kind of just went from there. Now it's like, I like that guy. He seems nice. So I'm voting.

[Clay Travis]

Here's a good question for you. What percentage of this audience is active on social media? Media?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I think if you include Facebook, 80, 80 to 90%.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, you think that high with, with, with, with Facebook?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I think we probably have more Facebook people than anything else by far. I think Twitter is less than 5% or X is less than 5%. I think TikTok is less than 1%. And what else am I missing? Instagram is probably like 30, 40%, I would say, of our, of our people are on Instagram.

[Clay Travis]

So my point on this is our audience is going to hear these AOC answers. Is anybody who watches MSNBC going to ever hear these AOC answers? Is anybody who watches CNN ever going to hear these AOC answers? Are they going to penetrate into. I'm not on Facebook personally, but I understand that they've kind of pivoted Facebook more back towards, hey, here's the kid, grandkid photos and less politics. I, I, I mean, I have, I

[Buck Sexton]

think those channels play view it as, they view it as a betrayal, actually. If you show your home team looking dumb, they get mad at you. It doesn't matter that it's news. It doesn't matter. The other side's talking about it. I think if you're an Ms. Now viewer, I love saying it because I had to change the channel because the brand is such trash. If you're a CNN viewer, which they're going to start, I mean, they're just going to be selling Swarovski crystals on that thing all day. Just give it time. If, if you look at what their expectations are with the audience, truth that is bothersome to their audience results in anger at the host and ratings going down. No question.

[Clay Travis]

I, by the way, we, you know, I know you make fun of how much I care about this. CNN is going to be either independent or it's going to be purchased by Paramount. And there's now talk that all of the Warner Brothers universe, which is hbo, which is cnn, all these different things may be swiveling back towards Paramount buying them, which is significant because Larry and David Ellison, who are prominent in the Paramount world, are not that I almost cursed, are not bonkers. Right? They're not crazy, they're not insane. And I do wonder what CNN might look like if they had owners who were just normal. And so that's going to be maybe decided in the next six months or so, even as CNN has lost two thirds of its audience in the last several years. But that's one to kind of put a pin in and think about where things might be headed there.

[Buck Sexton]

Have you ever come across a really serious, intense birdwatcher who can be like, oh, that's a double crested cormorant or that's like a ruby throated warbler or something.

[Clay Travis]

I know that bird people are crazy in terms of their interest in bird feeders and everything else. I've never known an actual Die Hard

[Buck Sexton]

because my dad was for a while, but I've come across some that are truly like next level and how detailed. You're like a birdwatcher of corporate media, mergers and acquisitions. I don't know anybody who follows this stuff as closely. You have like a freakish level of knowledge of the latest board vote on whether these companies are going to. I don't know anyone who follows this stuff. It's impressive, but I'm just saying, you're like the weird guy with the big binoculars who's like oh my gosh.

[Gretchen Whitmer]

Oh oh.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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