From Relief to Recovery: Empowering Change: Part 2

Summary

The Collage Podcast: From Relief to Recovery—Empowering Change, Part 2

Host: Feed My Sheep
Guest: Nancy Glover
Date: February 11, 2026
Produced by Feed My Sheep, Temple, TX

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Overview

In this episode, the hosts of The Collage Podcast, recorded at Feed My Sheep in Temple, Texas, delve into the difference between simply providing relief and fostering true recovery and restoration—especially for society’s most vulnerable women. Using the biblical story of Jesus healing the hemorrhaging woman as a central metaphor, they explore how identity, community, and family play pivotal roles in empowerment, healing, and change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Framing the Conversation: More Than Relief (00:31–06:24)

• Upcoming Valentine’s Event: The team will host an event for local women, giving them an opportunity to dress up, receive donated items, and feel celebrated.
• Focus Shift: While the event coincides with Valentine’s Day, the hosts clarify the discussion is not about romance but about restoration, recovery, and family.
• Main Question: What does “family” really mean, especially in the journey from basic relief to true recovery?
  • Relief is meeting immediate, basic needs (food, shelter, safety).
  • Recovery and restoration go beyond relief, rooted in recognizing individual worth and fostering a sense of belonging and family.
• Quote:

  "One of the big separations out of relief phase…is this understanding of individual worth and how you fit in with their story—i.e., that you are connected and you are part of the same family.” (A, 05:06)

The Story of the Hemorrhaging Woman: A Model for Restoration (07:14–13:49)

• Summary of the Story:

  • The woman was labeled as unclean for 13 years, making her a community outcast (07:14).
  • She believed that touching Jesus’ cloak would heal her. When she did, she was healed immediately (07:52).
  • Jesus publicly calls her “daughter,” restoring her not just physically but socially and emotionally (08:45).

• Relief vs. Restoration:
  If the story ended with physical healing, the woman would still remain an outsider. Public affirmation was crucial for her restoration.

• Quote:

  “She needed him to validate her…that she had been healed and that she could therefore be brought back into the fold.” (B, 10:04)
  “He realized it is not all right for me just to do this and go on down the road.” (A, 11:02)

Application to Modern Social Services (13:13–24:42)

• Physical Aid Is Not Enough:
  Everyday at Feed My Sheep, they meet immediate needs—shelter, rent, food—but recognize this doesn’t equal restoration.

  “Here’s $400...have I done something? Okay. But if that is solely it, have I done something?” (A, 21:03)

• Deeper Needs: Belonging & Identity:

  • True recovery involves vulnerability, forming connections, and validating worth—just like family.
  • It’s riskier, more personal, and more transformative.

  “Letting yourself get to that level of vulnerability with another human…is there’s a pretty good chance they’re going to break your heart. But we try and we love them anyway, just as we would our children.” (B, 22:26)

The Power of Naming and Belonging (24:42–33:06)

• Public Restoration:

  • Jesus’ act of calling the woman “daughter” in front of her entire community restored her status and identity.
  • The hosts challenge listeners to do the same by fostering belonging in their own communities.

  “That is her identity. Not her ailment. That was how she was identified.” (A, 17:45)
  “Now that person…is set up to possibly move towards restoration and be to life and life abundantly.” (A, 33:50)

• Parallels to Clients Served:
  Many who come to Feed My Sheep for help feel as ostracized and unworthy as the hemorrhaging woman. Recovery is about helping them see themselves as worthy and beloved.

Personal Reflection: Knowing Stories, Creating Family (40:40–47:13)

• Honest Confession:
  The host admits to not knowing the story of a woman who frequents their services, despite interacting with her daily; he calls it “wrong” and uses it to illustrate the importance of seeing and knowing people as individuals.

• Simple Actions, Big Impact:

  • A volunteer’s intent to take a woman to lunch just to hear her story is a transformative step toward recovery and validation, echoing the restoration modeled by Jesus.

  “Not that we’re going to stop any of the ailments physically… but identifying people as an individual person that has worth is a huge step to the recovery and restoration. Without that, you don’t get the other.” (A, 48:25)

Barriers to Self-Worth and Societal Labels (50:15–56:14)

• Internalizing Negativity:
  Years of being told you’re unclean, unimportant, or unworthy can shape self-image, just as much as outward circumstances.

  “Her opinion of herself had to be awful...almost as if to think, you know, I’m not worthy of the time for him to stop and talk to me specifically, or I don’t want to look at him face to face because I’m unclean….” (B, 25:01)

• Modern Examples:

  • Many experience this devaluation today—those in abusive relationships, those written off by family, and those defined by hardship.
  • Physical help without emotional restoration only changes geography, not the root situation.

  “If all she got out of here was simply a bus ticket to somewhere else, that’s good… but have we really changed anything? Geography.” (A, 54:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On The Need for Validation:

  “She had to have her identity clarified. She had to have people. She had to have community.” (A, 34:01)

• On the Role of Social Service Organizations:

  “Physical, straight physical healing and just providing solely and only immediate relief is not the answer in totality. It’s good… But that’s not the whole picture.” (A, 56:14)

• On Universal Struggle With Worth:

  “The commonality that draws us together is not that, ‘Whew, luckily I’m not the bleeding woman.’ Hold on. You are. We all are hemorrhaging.” (A, 51:13)

• On Love and Identity in Christ:

  “The name that he calls you by is daughter… this is my beloved daughter. I desire for her to have life and life abundantly.” (A, 62:14)

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Important Segments by Timestamp

• The Valentine Event & Introducing the Family Theme: 00:31–06:24
• The Story of the Hemorrhaging Woman: 07:14–13:49
• Relief vs. Recovery/Restoration in Nonprofit Work: 13:13–24:42
• Why Belonging and Identity Matter: 24:42–33:06
• Parallels in Modern Context: Knowing People: 40:40–47:13
• Addressing Societal & Self-Perception: 50:15–56:14
• Final Reflections & Mission Statement: 56:14–63:50

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Relief (meeting immediate needs) is necessary but not sufficient—true recovery and restoration require seeing, loving, and naming people as family.
• Social transformation happens not just by “stopping the bleeding,” but by restoring identity and belonging.
• Simple actions—taking time to know a person’s story, validating their worth—can be world-changing.
• Everyone, at some point, is the “bleeding woman,” and everyone needs a community to say, “You are my daughter/son.”
• The episode challenges social service workers and all listeners to look deeper than physical need and to consider how they can contribute to lasting restoration and empowerment in their own circles.

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Closing Challenge:
If you’re in a position to help, strive for more than relief—strive for recovery, restoration, and empowering change. Recognize and affirm the worth and identity of those you serve, just as Jesus did for the woman in the story.

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End of Content Summary

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Hey, we want to welcome you to a another edition of the collage podcast. Sounded kind of odd there for a second, didn't it?

[B]

It did, yeah.

[A]

I don't understand that. Hey, it is good to have y' all here. We are here at Feed My Sheep Temple recording this up in the podcast room. We got Isaac here doing the production stuff with us today. We got Nancy in here, and we're going to continue discussions, but we're going to deviate a little bit. We've been on the same path. We're going to come back to that path. But when we are recording this on the calendar, we're getting fairly close to. To Valentine. I always say it wrong. Is it Valentine or Tyne? It's Tyne. It's an N. Okay. So I always say it with an M, but it doesn't have an M in it. So if I say it wrong during this podcast, I apologize. But we've got a celebration here coming up. We've done the past couple years, and at this celebration, the women, we give them an opportunity to. We have fancy clothes coming in. We have all kind of jewelry getting donated. We have shoes, we have makeup. We have all this stuff for a special event just for the women. Okay? And that's coming up on Valentine Day. We're going to actually have the event before like, the 12th or something like that. So I do look at the calendar, all of that to come to. Why does that even matter today? Why are you even out there? Doesn't matter when you're listening to this, because this is not going to be about Valentine. But Nancy has been asked to be the speaker at that event, focusing on women at this event. And so Nancy's going to speak to them and talk to the ladies, and really a very challenging deal. And I think it's going to tie in to kind of what we're going to talk about today in the podcast, in this looking at recovery and looking at restoration and looking at these things important. And we're going to backtrack because Nancy's sitting here with a deer in a headlight look because she doesn't know exactly which way we're going to go. This is not necessarily her talk topic, but this is one that she and I were talking about earlier this morning that does have relevance here. And Isaac brought it to light. And we are going to talk about all of this, of the importance of family and what that means and how it pertains to life and how important it truly is. And you may be sitting there going, well, well, dude, you don't understand. Valentine is not about family. That's about boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever. The stupid thing.

[B]

It's actually St. Valentine's Day.

[A]

Okay? And that's. The Catholic in the room came out and said, that one right there. Okay. So just so you know, I thought it was always Saint Hallmark did that one. Okay. The patron saint of $5 cards. Yeah. So, okay, but we're going to look at that holiday and you go, well, that has nothing to do with that. We're not really focusing on that holiday. But that is the topic at. And we're going to look at a story we were talking about. We've talked about it on this one before. But it does have relevance in that we're going to look at Jesus and the woman who had been hemorrhaging for 13 years. Okay? And you go, well, that's not the best Valentine story ever. Okay, let me ask you then, so I can shut up. Here is Nancy. Why in the world would I say. We think. I think we should talk about today, the importance of family and looking at that story and the importance of family looking at the event coming up. And then truly, what is family? Because we have been looking on this journey of how social services in the world are provided. Okay. And I would say in the format, in the same, this relief mindset, I'm just going to take care of your daily needs because you need a place to sleep tonight because your house got destroyed by a tornado. Okay? That's one thing. That's relief. And I would say in that you don't really. You're not doing it out of this mindset of this is my family. It's just a human being who needs help, and I'm going to provide the help for them. They are just one. One of 10,000. You care, but you're not really care. I would say here, where we're going to come to is one of the big separations out of relief phase, as you get to recovery phase, is this understanding of individual worth and how you fit in with their story, I. E. That you are connected and you are part of the same family. I think the minute you acknowledge your relationship and to say, man, we're family, your obligation to that person changes. From relief to, I really want them to recover. I really want them to be well. I want them to be whole, okay? Relief is I want you to make it through tonight and make it through these circumstances, whoever you are, because there's 10,000 of you right behind you, and I want that next one to make it through tonight, you're going to stay in this gymnasium, and we can house 1000 people in this gymnasium. I want you to make it through tonight because tomorrow we can start looking at the problems bigger. Okay? Recovery is, hey, that's Nancy. And we're family. We're family. And my obligation to you is I don't want you to have to sleep on the floor, in the locker or in the gymnasium anymore, okay? I want you to be well and.

[B]

Whole.

[A]

Knowing I have a limited amount that I can do. But to look at the whole picture, it changes because you then go, as anybody who's a loved one in our family, then you would go, because I truly want ultimately for you to have life and life abundantly. That's restoration in a biblical sense. That's restoration that you are whole, you are complete, you have a life more than you could even have imagined it to be. And that's where we're trying to go. So all that discussion, okay, Nancy Glover is now on the hook. Woman that was hemorrhaging. Thirteen plus years we've looked at this story. We had a discussion about this story. Why in the world is that story even relevant? Or catch everybody up if they don't know the biblical principle? Okay, Just roughly synopsis of what occurred.

[B]

Okay. This woman had been hemorrhaging, as you said, for a number of years. And in the Jewish culture, that meant that she was perpetually unclean. So she had to separate herself from the community, from her family, and couldn't be touched without the people who touched her also becoming unclean, and then having to go through the ritual of cleansing. So she had to be separated from community outcast, basically. She tried finding doctors to help her. She spent, it says, lots of money trying to get the problem solved and couldn't find the cure. So heard, apparently about Jesus coming through town and. And sought him out in this crowd and thought to herself, if I can just touch the hem of his cloak, I will be healed. And did. And when she touched him, he felt power leave himself and go to her. And he stopped and turned around and said, who touched me? And of course, the disciples and everyone that were standing there were like, you're being touched by all these people. They're pressing in on you. What do you mean? Who touched you? And he looked down and saw her. And she said that she had.

[A]

She trembled with fear, didn't she?

[B]

She was afraid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he called her, daughter.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

And said, daughter, your faith has saved you.

[A]

Good. I'm glad you said that. Okay, so then we're going to backtrack. Okay. Because I think if you wanted to look at the relief recovery restoration model through and through, this may be a great place to start. Maybe a great place to start. So, questions. And we're just. We're talking. We. I am not speaking on behalf of Jesus. I cannot speculate what he thought or didn't think. So we're just talking like. So I'm not trying to do that. So we're just asking questions. So I would say, Nancy, okay, If the woman will start looking at Jesus. Okay. If the woman, her faith. She said, if I can just touch Jesus. And it says that she reached out and touched his gown and she was immediately healed. She reached out, touches his gown, she is immediately healed. If the story ended right there, do you think she has truly been moved? That's it. Thus, she's touched his gown. She no longer bleeds. She will no longer bleed again because she is healed. Jesus goes on his way and does nothing more. Has she been restored?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. No. Why not?

[B]

She needed him to validate her to the people standing like the people that were around and listening to her or listening to the conversation and seeing her there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That she. She had been healed and that she could therefore be brought back into the fold, so to speak.

[A]

Okay, so let me ask this. So then, looking at this model, if she reaches out and touches him, what has he done for her and does nothing else? Didn't say anything other than she touches him. Physical, immediate relief.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That has occurred. A miracle, no less.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But the only thing that has really occurred is relief was provided. Now, in this case, astronomically complicated relief that nobody else could do, but that is all that had occurred. If nothing else in this story happens.

[B]

Literally stopped the bleeding.

[A]

Stopped the bleeding. Okay, now let me ask you, if nothing else occurs, we'll speculate. This is speculative and it's okay. Do you think her life outside of not bleeding, but her true life and station in life in that community, do you think it would have changed very much from that moment forward?

[B]

No.

[A]

No.

[B]

And that was. That was what we were talking about this morning. In that culture, an ailment of that sort would have meant she had some kind of grave sin that she was being punished for. And everybody would have looked at her as such that, you know, what has this woman done? She's. Good grief. She's been bleeding all this time, and God must be punishing her for something that's really bad.

[A]

Okay, so let me ask you, Jesus, and we're not. I'm not speaking on his behalf. Jesus could have healed her. She thought that was the only thing she needed. Correct?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If I can just touch him, then I won't be bleeding anymore. Valid. Yes, Good point. Good point. I won't bleed anymore. Okay. Then my life's going to be better. Okay. Could have. Okay. He, I think by not stopping just at that moment, realizes that is not solely enough for recovery and restoration, the physical ailment. Now, granted, I couldn't do it. Nobody else could do it. We're not. We're not lessening the magnitude of the miracle and what occurred. You have to have that occur. The physical must occur in that story. But he realized it is not all right for me just to do this and go on down the road. And he was going to another miracle. He was going to go heal another person in this story. He stops along the way. He's going to go heal a young girl. Who don't mean a plot twist here. Whatever. Spoiler alert. He's going to go heal a girl that's going to die and he's going to bring her back to life. That's where he's going. But so in this, it wasn't solely enough to go heal, keep on the way, don't really say anything, keep her where she's at and go on to the next one. Correct?

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Okay. We won't pick on anything in the nonprofit world. I think we can get caught up so much in the day to day of just trying to heal this one. Don't say nothing. Get on down the way. And she's done the physical healing or the physical remedy for that moment we just left down at the office down there. There's four people waiting down there for physical. Okay. Physical. They would classify them as miracles. I need a place to stay because my boyfriend beat the crap out of me and they left me at a convenience store in Copper's Cove.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Having a place to stay and getting a bus ticket to a place out of here, that's a miracle because he couldn't do it, you know, different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, we got another one. Just talk to. Hey, you know, boyfriend just walked out of me in the house and. Okay, we got two kids. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Insert story here. Whatever. Good news is I just got an application in a place to work. Where are you gonna work? Oh, little Bobby's. Oh, horrible.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Yes. Oh, my goodness. Just leave it at that. So little Bobby's doesn't have to worry about suing me. Great. You got a Great business. Be proud of whatever chasm intended. Horrible. Okay, but physical help, hey, here's $300 for rent. Here's $400 for rent. Here's $500 for rent. Here's $600 rent. Physical healing. We got other miracles to get onto help. I'm not arguing that. Okay, but that's not solely it, right? It's not solely it. That's a part. You cannot take the physical needs out of the equation. Nor are we asking that. Okay. It'd been one thing is if the lady touches Jesus and he doesn't heal her and he's like, yeah, I could have, but I just want everybody to start being nice to you again. So I'm going to focus on just everybody understanding that you have worth and skip over the physical needs. You can't do that either. Okay? So there's where we're at. So I think one of the most beautiful scriptures in the Bible that gets overlooked. And there's many scriptures in the Bible. All of them are beautiful. Okay. But one of the most beautiful ones is, okay, Nancy, we say it wouldn't been enough in this story. It would have been great. It's a great story. It would have been a great story. It had been on Facebook and we would have had how many likes you think we would have? We could put this one out there. Because I said, hey, so. And so they got. This occurred at church today, woohoo. And 600 likes later, you know, they're on down the road to somebody else. Okay, so we could have put this out and man, the Jesus Facebook page would have all kind of likes going, woohoo, the bleeding woman's not bleeding anymore. Awesome. Okay. And great. It is. Doesn't stop there. Okay, so let me ask you. Then Jesus says, daughter, your faith said it out loud. Daughter, your faith has made you well now why. Let me ask you this, okay? So in it, why did he start it to a crowd, a big crowd. Where she lived now, mind you, we got to go back in time in these communities. They didn't have a whole lot of cars back then. Okay. They didn't. They were a kind of this community. That's where you were born, that's where you're going to die.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very small group of people that knew everybody in your community because that's. They were very stagnant. They'd have opportunities. Like now temple, you hop in your car, you may live in Dallas, you may live in Waco, you may live in Oklahoma. Who knows? You can go wherever you want. You can Reinvent yourself over and over there, you couldn't. You were this. Okay, so why do you think in front of a big crowd, does Jesus stop and out loud, not just whisper it to the lady, out loud, to the whole crowd, he does what? He heals her first and then he says.

[B]

Daughter, why? That is her identity. Okay, that and he wanted everybody to know it.

[A]

Okay, good. Okay, he did. That is her identity.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not her ailment.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That was how she was identified.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Everybody in the community before that moment would go, stay away from that one. She bleeds and she might bump into you. And then, oh, you can't go on to go to Walmart today or whatever you wanted to do. Stay away from her. That was how she was identified. See that lady over there? Don't go near her. That's the one. She's bled, she's unclean, and she's done something to deserve it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In that culture, you brought this up. In that culture, they would look. If you saw somebody with that ailment, okay. Now possibly in our society, if you saw that there's some kind of. I don't. There would be some medical. Oh, that lady has got. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ism, whatever. Okay. Back in those times, they would go, she must have sinned really bad. And she deserves that. Yeah, she deserves that. Or if she didn't, I don't know. But her family, they're pretty crappy too. They did it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She could be suffering from the sins of her parents. So in it, what I find interesting on that is if the physical healing, if that's all there was in this model of bringing somebody to true restoration, if that's all there is, okay. Doesn't the story just stop when she touches his tassel and she's healed? If that's all that was necessary for true restoration for a person, the story stops right there and it just goes on down the road. So then the story is, man, I just got to find a way. Which there is, that point. I just got to find a way to touch Jesus's gown. If I can do that, then I'm. Well, there's so much more to restoration. So in hurricane relief and such like that, there's so much more that comes into bringing somebody towards restoration other than just providing bottles of water and the Red Cross food truck for an indefinite amount of time. It's validation of worth and understanding how important belonging, community and family is to people and how. How life draining, isolation and alone is.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, so see, we've made a Little bit of a circle. So then out of what we deal with here. And I would even say, I'm not Jesus. Physical healing. That one for him. Decently easy. In our world, the physical parts that you can bring relief to may be the easiest.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it is.

[A]

Nancy, I see you've had this difficult time. You are $400 short on rent. Okay. Awesome. Here you go. Here's $400.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have I done. I've done something. Okay. But if that is solely it. Have I done something?

[B]

I think if you. If that were solely it, we wouldn't have a need to even be here as an organization.

[A]

I'd agree. What does that mean?

[B]

All of the needs would be met and everybody would be just hunky dory and there would be no need for us to be here.

[A]

I would not disagree. As staggering of the sentence is that if it was just simply that easy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If the only need that you're trying to fill is just the relief of. Okay, solely. We need to make sure everybody in temple eats today. Could we do it pretty easy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fairly easy.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

We could do it again tomorrow. Fairly easy.

[B]

Yeah. Easier than identifying all of them as family.

[A]

Okay, agreed.

[B]

And treating them as such.

[A]

Agreed. So relief, where it gets difficult is the individual recognition of somebody's worth.

[B]

Yes. And I think for the caregivers, for us, the hard part is letting yourself get to that. That level of vulnerability with another human that, you know, is there's a pretty good chance they're going to break your heart. But we. We try and we love them anyway, just as we would our children.

[A]

Agreed. And you desire so much more for them. Okay. And that's always a struggle in parenthood. Mine are older, but still a struggle of, you know, what you desire for them. And you can see with complete clarity. Not that our vision is any better, but like you pretended what would be the best for them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're always hoping and trying to steer them in that direction because a lot of times they can't see it in the midst of where they're at. And sometimes our vision isn't right. But you never are satisfied going, I don't really care what's going to happen to this person. I don't care if they're restored or not. I fed them today and had a place to sleep.

[B]

Checked that box.

[A]

Check it. Fed him. Place to sleep. And his room was decently clean because I cleaned it up. Done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. You wouldn't. Okay. And so like what we say here, and it sounds juvenile, and I would even Agree. I thought it was juvenile. Still struggle. How juvenile it sounds. The number one thing that we provide and serve here in the number one thing that we are about is providing family and belonging. Okay. And so why I would think that is so important is we would just acknowledge this lady. Physical healing. She had the absolute. She hit the lottery of miracles. She hit it. I mean, like she, she was the one. Yeah, okay. But that wasn't the absolute path to complete restoration and life abundantly.

[B]

And I think you and we were talking about this morning, her own self image and her own definition of her self worth had to have been a challenge for her.

[A]

What did we talk about? This is intriguing to me. I've never really thought about it this way before. Tell me about that.

[B]

Being ostracized for so long from society and being told for so long, you're unclean, you're. Don't touch her. Being constantly put out, put down, you've sinned. You know, just the. Her opinion of herself had to be awful. So you think about the other people that had talked to Jesus about healing them. And son of David, have mercy on me. You know, the lepers that would come to him, please help me. The, the parents or the synagogue officials of the little girl that was dying coming to him and you know, face to face, help me. But she crawled to him through the crowd and just wanted to touch him, almost as if to think, you know, I'm not. I'm not worthy of the time for him to stop and talk to me specifically, or I don't want to look at him face to face because I'm unclean, or I'm not worth his time. But she wanted to touch it. So if she felt that way about herself, it was imperative really that he validate her in the way that he did and call her daughter and talk to her about her identity and that she is worthy.

[A]

Agreed. So then here, let's ponder this again. These are just. It's interesting to look at because we don't get the true nuances of the story and the minutia of the details and how intricately woven together the story is. We just. Can you look a blanket statement. Good lady, bleeding done. Look. Okay, let's picture this. And this is a whole other. We're going to head in slightly different direction because she just brought it up. You got this lady. She would be in society, the woman. That's the woman who bleached. She's unclean. We know this culturally, we have established here. If she touches a leader in the religious church, and say that person is unclean. They got to sit in the bullpen, lack of a better term, for whatever, seven days this time frame, because they have become unclean themselves. And they got to go through purification rituals in that society, okay, we're not there right now, whatever, but that, that person would become unclean. And then they couldn't go do this important church stuff that they were supposed to go do because they were now unclean. That is the man on the road, the Samaritan man, and all the people that passed by, they had valid reasons for not stopping because I'm heading on to go preach. Can't be it dirty because I couldn't go in. So let's picture this. Lady believes, okay? Because she's that desperate. I crawl to Jesus because I hear he is the one that could really change my life forever. She crawls to him through a crown, okay? So don't even get your head around that. There's people all around could step on her hands and all of this because they're standing, yes, okay, but all of that personal harm that could come her way, but she makes her way to Jesus. How she does it, I don't know, but she gets there and she's, she's there, there. He walks by and let's just picture this scene, okay? She's right there. He's walking by. His gown is now within reach. She's less than an arm's length away from Christ, who she had gone through all this effort to get there, and guess what she does this time? She reaches out and this. We're playing a game, okay? This is not what occurred in the story. We're playing a game, okay? Not this time. She reaches towards his gown and at the Last second, she's 1 inch away from it, 2 inches away from it. She then comes to this self recognition of crud, I better not do this because I am this horrible person.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And if I touch him, then he will be unclean like me. And then she could even validate it in that minute of logic and to go, but if I touch him. Ready? Here's a plot twist in the story. If she touches him in the cultural stuff, he probably was not supposed to continue on down and do the miracle because he was unclean, right? So then she's now one inch away from the healing from this person that she could get. And then she now goes, nah, I better not, because I might cost that little girl her healing. That she does. And that dad sure does love her.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Why do you think he called her daughter yeah. Where was he going? He was going to go heal somebody else's daughter. He was going to go heal the leader's daughter that they knew by name. So do you think it was just pure coincidence? He could have said, lady, he could have said whatever we now know it as. He says he identified her as his daughter. He didn't have kids that way. And we can look in the gospel, I think it's John or whatever, when his mom was knocking on the door. And Jesus says, who is my mother? Mother, brother, father, sister, Whoever does the will of God is my family. That's my mother, that's my brother, that's my father, that's my sister. So we're using that context. He's going to go heal another father's deal. Now he's got this. Pretend the woman does not reach out to touch him because she doesn't want to take a chance of making him unclean because she knows who she is and she knows how impure and how dirty she really is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How tragically sad is that story now?

[B]

So tragically sad. And I think the more tragic and sad thing is I see it here every day.

[A]

Every day? Yeah, every day. Every day. So we can't speculate human emotions on Jesus. So we're not doing that. Okay. Let's pretend. If that didn't occur, you think Jesus would have been sad?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Do you think he was happy to be able to call this person daughter?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Every day. Every day in the line. Okay. And so I would say why. I would say all of this stuff is not solely enough just to take care of the physical healing that is present at that moment.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. They're not bleeding. Great.

[B]

Gotta stop the bleeding.

[A]

Gotta stop the bleeding.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not taking away. Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But make no doubt about it. Okay. That provided the immediate relief. You gotta stop the bleeding.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You've got to stop the bleeding before you can begun. Now, this we're seeing in a super. You have to stop the bleeding and address the physical needs before you can move on to anything else. Absolutely, yeah. Not saying that. I'm saying if you stay solely in that area and do not venture any more forward with a person, you have not necessarily brought healing or wholeness to them at all. You just brought physical relief. The next step was paramount in this step towards recovery. So what did she recover? What do you think?

[B]

Her status in the community, how do.

[A]

You think they looked at her going forward from that day forward? What do you think they said?

[B]

That's the daughter. She's part of his Family. That's the woman that received.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They would go, oh, my. That lady. I was there. I watched it, I watched it, I saw it. That's the lady right there. That's the one that Jesus said, that's my daughter. Like she's in his family. She would have now had a new place. Okay. Now that person who now has physical needs addressed, emotional hurts, addressed elements within the community and identity that was not solely related to whatever problems she had. Okay. Do you think that person is set up to possibly move towards restoration and be to life and life abundantly?

[B]

100%.

[A]

100%, yeah. So then I will then make the circle back in this fun little game of I will then say again, why, why, why in this topic and the people that we would say, we deal with a lot of people every day that are going to come with what they. The lady, she came solely with what her physical needs were, and they were valid. Christ saw bigger than that and knew the physical wasn't the totality of the picture. Why is it so easy in the nonprofit, a physical sector that we serve in to watch all kind of different stuff for physical relief done. Physical relief done, Physical relief done. Got bigger miracles to move on to just check off the physical. Why when we would say in this story that that was not solely enough, the story couldn't end. It could. Christ can end the story wherever he wanted it to end. So I am not saying it would have been wrong. We would look at it and say, no, it wouldn't have been a complete picture. She would not have been whole. She would have been healed from her physical ailment. Wholeness is where you get to recovery. That's where you get to restoration. She had to have her identity clarified. She had to have people. She had to have community.

[B]

I think the nothing in the Bible is there by chance there's a reason why he was on the way to resurrect the little girl that had passed away. That story was interrupted by the hemorrhaging woman on purpose. So if you look at it from the context of this little girl who had been sick and died, and synagogue officials were told, you know, or told Jesus, never mind, she's dead. You don't have to go in and bother yourself with it anymore. And he said, do not be afraid. Just have faith. And left the woman daughter to go and restore the young daughter, but to full restoration to life from death.

[A]

Okay, I would venture, let's say this. Nancy Glover. Okay, I say this phrase often here. We really are short Sighted. If our definition of death is merely physical. I see many people. I'm not. I see many people. That physical death may be easier than the death they're experiencing every day.

[B]

100%, yes.

[A]

So then if that was true, isn't it kind of funny? In this story, you had two people that possibly looking at actual death and societal death. Societal death, yeah. They came back to life. A whole new life began, like. So this other life was no more. You couldn't. The daughter, you could not deny she's dead. But now she's living. Lazarus dead. Now he's alive. He's in the. He's gonna stink. You can't go in the tomb. He's dead, brought back to life. You know, and we won't even go into that story, but whatever. So I love that, you know, out of that story. Kind of humorous. Don't see it in the little girl over here. Jesus apologizes to Lazarus. He basically says, I'm sorry I had to do this. Lazarus was dead and in heaven.

[B]

Yeah. He was at peace.

[A]

They said, sorry I had to do this.

[B]

I had to bring you back.

[A]

I had to do this for them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Interesting. We skip over that, but that one's always interesting to me is because they were buddies. Hey, sorry I had to do this. I know you were. You were up there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I had to bring you back for them. Okay? Doesn't apologize to the little girl, but it brings her back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Brings her back. She's dead and brings her back. Okay. So nobody could look at that story and think of what was before everything was a miraculous time. Moving forward. It was completely new.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's playing on the house money. Like in Vegas, if you. You get hot, and all of a sudden you, like, you started with a hundred bucks and you got a thousand. You're like, I'm playing on the house money. Now we're rolling. Because this. I wasn't even supposed to be here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'd say the same for the woman who's bleeding. She's playing house money forward. And not only that, that Christ said, hey, sit at my table. Because she, you know, everybody who's here, look at her comper.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Because she's mine. She's mine. Okay? So then out of that, to come back and go, how does this tie into Valentine whatever. Hey, I'll be honest, okay? I don't really care if at the Valentine event, if any of our ladies realize and to go, little Bobby Joe over there really is so sweet. And he loves me. I don't care on that if we somehow have it, that where people can feel their true worth in their identity and how much they are loved by this God and they understand the same words that Christ used for that lady that he uses still today. You are my daughter. Everybody stop here in temple. This one right here that y' all have known. This way. Okay. It's my daughter. I'm gonna tell you, this is a whole other side. Nobody out there is gonna understand this. So. Sorry, Mom. The one person that listens to it, so, like, whatever. Okay. But whole other aside, along these same terms, we got a lady here that Nancy and I have spoken about. And I would put her in the category of this woman that's been bleeding for 13 years here in temple. She's alive right now. And this lady, if you were in downtown temple, you would know this lady because you've seen her sitting out there. She is. She's got some physical. Can we say deformities, I would think. Is that a fair word to say? Okay. Not anything rude. She just. She's got.

[B]

I think it may be scars.

[A]

Yes. On her face and then missing fingers. And this trauma. Much trauma. Like, there's some bad burn injuries on her face and her hand. I don't know. And Nancy asked me, I don't know, two or three weeks ago. And I've known this person for a lot of years, and she's. She can be difficult to communicate with. And sometimes the things that come along with it. Keep in mind, also, like the. The woman that was bleeding for 13 years don't mean this rude, but I guarantee you there was a. In that culture, and cleanliness was difficult. There was a smell, and there was probably something that came along with it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even if you wanted to be nice to her, like, this person that we're talking about maybe falls in that category too. Sometimes you try to be nice, but she hasn't bathed and weeks hasn't changed clothes. It can be difficult. All that we get to. Nancy says to me, like, three weeks ago, hey, tell me. I'm not gonna say anything. Tell me this person's story. And I say to Nancy, and I'll admit. I mean, I'll confess this. I say, I don't really know because I've never really asked. I don't know. I now know a little bit more today. I now know her brother's name. Okay. Who passed away a couple weeks ago. But all of that to get to. So I had to say, I'm in this world. I'm in this world, and I feed this person. 80% of the time, she's going to be here for lunch. And I go, man, was that coffee good? Yeah, donut good. Awesome. Okay, see you at lunch. Great. Nancy says, tell me her story. And I've known this person for years. And I say, I don't know because I've never bothered to ask. That's wrong. Okay? That's wrong. I will say we make the circle back to, okay, today we had that discussion. I've acknowledged, I've said that it's just wrong. That is not right of me to not know. Okay? And to think that a person could live in that place that you go, it's all right, I don't need to know her. It's wrong. Okay? Today, talking to somebody else about another person, one of the volunteer person who's been working with Rhonda, okay, okay. So she says to me, okay, this person comes up, I'm talking to this other person. She says to this person, the lady I was referring to, that I don't know, she said, okay, don't forget, I'm picking you up on Friday. It's. Oh, no, I remember, I remember. I'm gonna be here. You said 11 o'. Clock. I'm gonna be here 11 o'. Clock. And wherever you want to go, that's where we're gonna go eat. I don't. I don't. I don't have to tell you. 11 o', clock, I'm gonna be here. That's how she kinda talks like, you know, that kid. And so she leaves. And I asked this lady, I said, where are y' all going on Friday? You know what she said to me? And this is God through and through. She says, you know what? I've never really taken the time to get to know her story. So I'm taking her to lunch and I told her to go. We would go to whatever restaurant she picked up and I would take her out to lunch and we would just talk. And I want to hear more about her.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Beautiful. Beautiful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, you got to be kidding me. I'm like, that's. She said, I don't know her story and I've never bothered to ask. And I gave this other. The person that I should have asked the story. I gave her a hard time because she was still there. And I said, hey, because I know that she got invited, but I was giving her a hard time. I said, you've never asked me to go to lunch. Why don't you ask me to go to lunch? And she Laughed and we were joking. And she's like, you can come with us. Like, you can come to lunch, too. And I said, no, I could. I appreciate that, but I think y' all want to spend time together so she gets to know you, and I would get in the way of that. I think the same thing. Not that we're going to stop any of the ailments physically, that this lady has on Friday. She's heard and she's validated for something. Just for a moment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So out of this, she's identified as something other than that woman.

[A]

That's right. We all know her that way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. She gets an identity of worth and value. Not because the society. Not because the world gives her that. Because Christ himself says, that's what they are.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What's also in this story, can you imagine? This is a small community. They knew everybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. She touches Jesus. They all knew her, but they didn't know her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's the. That's the lady who bleeds. That's the lady who smells funny. That's the lady you don't get around. That's the lady you keep her kids away from. Okay. They knew her that way. Touches Jesus. They're all stopped there. Okay. And he goes, my daughter. Can you imagine everybody the same as. We just got hit inside of the head going, wouldn't have been that hard for me to say. I'd love to take you to lunch because I'd like to know more about. You're here every day. I see you at lunch. I want to sit down with you and see what can we do to help you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not just physically. Not go, hey, I'll give you a second helping of mashed potatoes. Want to let people know you have worth and you have value.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Because here, man. And then physical got it knocked out. Okay. We can get it now. Let's give them validation and true justification of their worth. Because what makes me so scared and so sad is to think of what you just said. How many women. Men, too. But we're just focusing on the women here. Get so close to going, man, I just think he could heal me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they pull their hand back and.

[B]

They'Re going, nah, nah, I'm not worth it.

[A]

I'm not worth it. He got more important things to do. And he did. No, he didn't. But he did on surface. He got places to go, Man. That close. And pull their hand back and go, nah, I don't want to mess him up. Tragic. Tragic. Okay. And so we look at that story. There's so much in it. And then I would say for us as people that are here, well, a number one, I am not Christ at all. I don't have the ability that he had. Okay? So I'm not going to have somebody touch me today. And I'm not going to heal whatever ailment they've got because they've touched me. I am not that ignorant. Could God do something through me that he could? I'm not saying he's going to. I don't know. But he has the power still. Okay. I don't have the power to cure all the physical ails, but we can provide for some of many of the physical ails with the understanding as an organization, as a community, what the lady who did, who's trying to help, I'm not saying taking her to lunch is curing every single property problem that there is, but identifying people as an individual person that has worth is a huge step to the recovery and restoration. Without that, you don't get the other. I would say the physical healing of the woman that was bleeding without the restoration of the individual worth of the person. She is simply known forever in that community, still ostracized as the person who used to bleed. And she's in the same spot doing the same things, except now her outfit stays cleaner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Still nobody is in relationship with her. Nobody still speaks with her because she's still that person and she's still in her own mind. Okay. She was physically healed, but still in her mind, she hasn't been brought to true recovery and restoration because she hasn't had her new identity that she could live in and be empowered within that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. That's what I'm saying here.

[B]

Yes. What. What has to happen in somebody's mind to make them feel that I am. I'm not worth any more than the life of this person sitting on the corner with my bag of stuff. This is good enough for me. Like, this is all I deserve. I don't deserve anything better. This is it. What has to happen. Like what goes on in somebody's mind that says that my worth stops there.

[A]

Well, ready? I'm going to pose something even. Not even more difficult, but in the same realm of difficult. I'm not so sure that's not a question that every single person in temple ask themselves all the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Commonality that draws us together is not that. Whoo. Luckily, I'm not the bleeding woman. Hold on. You are.

[B]

We're all hemorrhaging.

[A]

We all are hemorrhaging.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The difference is where we are relating to this and our true restoration. But here, to your point, 100% is after a bit in time, you can even look biblically. You had the crazy man who lived in the cemetery. That's how he was known in the community.

[B]

The demoniac.

[A]

Yep. That's the crazy man. And he. And he was. I mean, like. So we're not gonna. We're not gonna miss speak on that. But that was his identity.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's who he was. No society, no connection. None of that stuff. This lady, I guarantee it. You have to. She lived in that place of I deserve this.

[B]

Well, and I would say even the one that's in the lobby right now.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

In abusive relationship, guy telling her that she's worthless and can't survive without her and. Or without him and, you know, not. Not worth even, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So the. In, like, just for, like. I would agree.

[B]

She believes it.

[A]

Believes it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Believes it. You know, don't know the story, but I would bet, you know, so many of our stories that would have parents or parent or whatever that reinforced that you ain't worth crap. I've been out my whole life. I've had to take care of you. You know, if I hadn't got pregnant with you when I was 15, my life would be so much better. Yep. You ruined. Look, I've done all this for you, and you don't. And then you go to the relationship and the guy's like, God, you ain't worth crap. And if it wasn't for me, you'd be nowhere. You're horrible. You're bad. You're bad. You're bad. You're fat, you're skinny, you're ugly. You're bad. You're this. You're worthless. You're this. You're this. You're this. You're this. And we go, oh, man. No, it's not true. Yeah, it is. It's the reality. Perception is reality. Okay? So for that person, okay, all of this, you got all this stuff that you've been identified as, but it's not your true identity, but it is how you're living.

[B]

Right?

[A]

We're going to buy that person a bus ticket to a North Texas town. It's pretty easy. I don't know what it is. 30 bucks, 40 bucks, something like that.

[B]

Something like that, yeah.

[A]

40 bucks. Okay. If all she got out of here was simply a bus ticket to somewhere else, that's good, because she ain't here. And now with it, we know abusive relationships. So just because she got a bus ticket somewhere else, a dude can go up there and he's going to go find her there and explain to her again how horrible she is. If that's all she got is a physical bus ticket from here. Okay, have we really changed anything?

[B]

Geography.

[A]

Geography, yeah. The thing that must change, the thing that has to go. We proactively are truly seeking out not geography change, but identification adjustment, moving. So I'm sorry to say it here in this world and a woman that's in terrible situation here, whatever, putting them in the Eagle End Motel changes nothing but geography, right?

[B]

Actually changes it for the worse, I would think.

[A]

Well, agreed. You just made it easier. Instead of having to walk to get product or to work, you can do it within the one side of you or the other is working out of that industry. You just made it easier. You've done nothing but change location, maybe put a roof over their head for a night and sat. Okay, so here, changing and adjusting how people truly identify that this garbage that they've been told by the world, which is there's what the right word would be, but there is the society that the bleeding woman was in, she could have justified her identification in that society based on the side that that world would have gone. She bleeds all the time. That's the woman who bleeds all the time. Were they incorrect? No, they weren't incorrect. I mean, that's who she was. Thirteen years she's been doing the. That's who she was. But that's not truly whose she was.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So all of that to come to the importance of like her. We don't know in her story what her family background was. We don't know anything about anything. But we do know at the end of the story whose family she was a part of. So all of that we will wrap it up on. That is interesting because it is as complex of all the things that we deal with all the time here, physical, straight physical healing and just providing solely and only immediate relief is not the answer in totality. It's not the answer in totality. It's good. Maybe you couldn't argue that the woman bleeding that no longer bleeds, you couldn't argue. That's good. Pretty big thing like here, get somebody into a house for the next two years. They've got their rent paid for for two years. Good. Is that totality? No, no. Good. But that's not the whole picture part of the plan. That is a physical need. That is a physical relief that needs to be addressed. But it is not all there is. There must be physical evaluation of what needs to occur and then restorative understanding of who you truly belong to and how much worth you have this story. I'm talking if you're. If you're out there like and you're a 20 year old UMHB student and you're going, I want to start a non profit, okay. Because there's a lot of people that are out there that want to do this. And I'm going to go cure all of this. And this. I'd say look at this story. And there's your business model for sure. Don't look at how things are done anywhere right now in the world or any of that stuff. There's good stuff. Whatever you want to come up with. Your business model, your plan, your mission statement. All of these cute little things that are going to look good on your brochure. Look at that story and understand it and drink it down deeply.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You follow and stay within the confines of that. You'll be just fine. But it's hard. So everybody out there. So then there we go. We somehow. That you go. That had nothing to do with Valentine. Had everything to do with Valentine, you know. And then we are out there. We are trying to. We're counting the days until the annual festival for Saint Hubert. Because Saint Hubert is the patron saint of hunting. So I have made some sacrifices to St. Hubert. So I like. He and I are pretty tight. I call him Saint Hube. So old Hube up there, here's a shout out to you. So. But we do out there and like this stuff. I hope you would just look at yourself and to try to do. I am. This is the introspective. We're looking and trying to figure out truly what we're doing and what we're about as a community. And to get there. It starts at a molecular level. I mean. So I would go the inverse of the atomic bomb. But it's the same principle, okay. Splitting of the smallest thing that we knew of an atom causes this reaction that is this thing that's catastrophic. I'm saying splitting this most minute detail, the smallest thing can cause a positive as well done on the other direction. It doesn't have to be just destructive. We're trying to figure out what the smallest element is that we must split. And you go, this must occur. And then we're also saying the days of just simply all everything is about is solely just immediate relief. And that's it. That's not it. That is something but it's not the sum and total of everything. So that is our journey. The Valentine deal. We'll have another one. We're going to take back up on. We're going to get some other people to come in and discuss because I want to hear some other opinions on whether it is all right to just stay solely in the relief mindset or is this model relief, recovery, restoration, Is it really the answer we would say with a bleeding woman? Yes, it was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So out there, I hope you, first and foremost, if you are listening to this, I'm going to let you in on a little secret here that maybe you don't know. Hopefully you do know. This is something you already do know, that you are valued and deeply, deeply loved by God. Yes. If you are listening to this, I don't care what circumstance you are in. That God that Christ himself calls you by name, and the name is not whatever, the earth, the worldly name, they've given it to you, the name that he calls you by his daughter. And then I would even say he goes so far as to say, this is my beloved daughter. I desire for her to have life and life abundantly. I believe that so much that I came and gave my own life so that they can have that. So isn't it. We going to come back there? So then the Valentine twist. Here it is. Woo hoo. Yippee dippy. Okay, first John 3:16. It says this. This is how we know what love is. First John, not John 3:16. First John 3:16. This is how we know what love is. Christ laid down his life for us and we should lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. That's love. And he did that so we could have life abundantly, that we would have identification, we would have worth, and we would have eternal life through him that we do not deserve on our own account. But he came so that while we were here on earth, we should have life and life abundantly. The bleeding woman, he gave her that gift and he also gave her physical healing. He gave her that gift of life abundantly. And then in it. Oh, and he also healed her physically. It's beautiful. We can kind of get backwards in that. I gave physical healing. Yeah, done. So enough of that, man. We went long today because Isaac had this room nice and warm like it's the heaters going in here. So we talked. Oh man, we gotta go.

[B]

Yeah, we really do.

[A]

Yeah, okay. We gotta go. We're going to a meeting right now. So thank you all very much. Appreciate it. Isaac later.

[B]

Sa.