Jonathan Foreman (18:57)
Yeah, it came out of March, mid March. Well, it was a, it was a report put out by, I think of the all party Parliamentary Group for UK Israel, which is a group of Members of Parliament and members of the House of Lords. And there are lots of these things. There's an APPG for Kurdistan. I went on a trip to Kurdistan with them and it's weird. They're not parliamentary, official parliamentary commissions which need the government to, you know, which have to be voted on. They're more like sort of caucuses, more like, I guess it's between a caucus and a lobby group within the parliamentary system. And this one has a lot of basically pro, you know, pro Israel, relatively pro Israel I'd say not some of them are, you know, not, you know, they're not. It's not an ardently Zionist organization but it's a sort of relatively pro Israel mp. The members of the House of Lords and there's a, I don't know, 40 of them. It's one of the largest ones actually in Parliament. They wanted to do a report that would, that would sort of establish what happened when, where precisely because you had a whole lot of news reports but we didn't have, you know, hadn't all been put together. I mean in Israel it'll happen in four or five years. There's going to be an official document and the National Library is doing it and it'll, you know, and everything will be put together. But what gave it the impetus was a poll that came out which said that something like at least a quarter of British Muslims believe that it hadn't happened at all, that nothing had happened, that the Israelis had just attacked Gaza for nothing. You know what I mean? They actually believe that. I'm sure there's a whole lot of other people who believed it happened but it was right to happen there. There's always that, you know, like 9, 11. But it's the. And people thought Jesus, we. And there was so much arguing about, you know, this is all just propaganda. Etc. Okay, let's do it. Let's just give it chapter and verse. Well, every single incident will have to be properly verified in a sort of quasi academic way with lots of stuff to back it up. And it will only examine what happened on the day and like the two or three days afterwards know that the actual attack and it won't ask why. So there's nothing about the long term stuff, nothing about Gaza. It won't ask what went wrong which is why articles about we didn't, I mean that came up but no, we just wanted to know what happened when. And it was before most of the Israeli idf. I mean any one had come out the one from Kibbutz Bahri. So it was just looking basically at all the sources that have been done and that includes endless newspaper reports of course and TV stuff, but also lots of oral testimony. You know, the Showa foundation at USC has been collecting hundreds of these things from people who lived out there, and all sorts of other private and public groups have been collecting testimonies and, of course, an incredible amount of video evidence. There's never been an event, you know, a violent event that has been as filmed, you know, as comprehensively as this by far, in all of human history. There's never been. That's the amazing thing about anyone doubting it. It's like it's all there, you know, and at least a third of the footage comes from Hamas itself, comes from the killers. You mean, it's, you know, it's like there's few incidents where the Nazis film themselves, you know, it's like. But here on a huge scale. So plus, you've got, you know, CCTV footage everywhere in Israel. You've got. Everyone's carrying mobiles and, you know, it's just this sort of. And dash cams, because Israelis all have dash cams on their cars, you know, that sort of stuff. And so there's this endless footage, so you just take it in and you put it, well, this happened where and when. And establishing the time where things happen in each place, you know, and giving. Making sure that, you know, because things happen in about 30 kibbutzim and moshavim, three cities, about 12 army installations. And to put it down for each one, because, you know, otherwise it's. Everyone knows about Bere and Kvaraza, but no one knows about these other places and stuff happened in those other places. And it. And it's just, get it down while it's fresh. And the idea, it's a bit like, you know, we were all very mindful of the fact that, you know, that whole thing with Eisenhower, when they arrived at Buchenwald and they were like, you know, they dragged all the locals in to see it. But then he had this thing where he brought a whole division of American troops to come through it, because he thought. He. As. He said, no one's going to believe this. And, you know, which came true, of course. He said, we've got to have. So it probably was an amazing thing that you had 10,000American troops who could come back to towns all over America and go, no, I've seen it. It's real. And so that was really part of the idea. Get it there and have chapter and verse and it'll be a useful document when anybody writes about it in the future. So that was the idea. And it took they'd start. I came on board in mid summer last year. They'd already. They've been thinking about how to do it. And we went to Israel for too short a time, just for a few days, and went by a team named Andrew, myself and a chief researcher called Sidney Arnold and some local people. When we went to. We went, you know, we went down. We saw Kfar Azerbai, we went to the Nova site and then we visited people like, we went to, you know, see the chief pathologist of Israel. And I don't know if you've ever been to a pathologist's office. It's kind of just like on tv, in the movies, because they're these weird. They are people with. Who are extraordinarily calm about really awful things. Do you mean. And make jokes about things like, oh, it's so rare to be, you know, near so many living people, you know, that kind of thing. And they do live in this so strange world. And then they showed us stuff which we couldn't take away most of it. But it was, you know, because a lot of people did get. All the military personnel were scanned, you know, that sort of thing with, like. With CAT scans and things. A lot of the civilians weren't, but, you know, you see these terrible things. Like you see a scan of a woman's body and it's got like, you know, nails throughout the whole, you know, reproductive tract, you know, that kind of stuff because someone used a nail gun. Unfortunately, there's not enough evidence of that stuff because people were buried very quickly. It was very hot.
