Live Venue Accessibility!

Summary

The Commercial Break: "Live Venue Accessibility!"

Date: May 20, 2025
Hosts: Bryan Green & Krissy Hoadley
Theme: Rock star "sellouts," live music culture, and the bizarre intersect of celebrity branding with corporate partnerships, with irreverent detours into pop culture and podcasting oddities.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Bryan and Krissy offer their comedic, unfiltered take on the evolution of rock star branding, focusing on Anthony Kiedis (of Red Hot Chili Peppers) launching his own canned coffee brand—with the dubious distinction of being available at "live venue accessible" locations via a partnership with Live Nation. The duo riff on what it means to "sell out" in 2025, reminisce about their live music experiences, break down a legendary Michael Jackson–Prince–James Brown moment, and mock a particularly awkward Mark Zuckerberg interview. True to TCB form, they blend pop culture critique with tangential anecdotes and unapologetically ridiculous banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rock Stars, Coffee, and "Live Venue Accessibility"

[03:01 – 15:45]

• Bryan and Krissy lampoon Anthony Kiedis' canned coffee launch ("Jolene") in partnership with Live Nation.

  • Bryan rails against the "sellout" nature of this branding:

    “If you’re going to be a rock star, be a fucking rock star. Don’t team up with Live Nation to ensure live venue accessibility. That is the cockiest thing I have ever heard in my entire life.” — Bryan [10:13]

  • They reminisce about Red Hot Chili Peppers' edgy image—contrasting it with today's corporate tie-in.
  • Mockery of the press release lingo (“live venue accessibility”) and the perceived grift behind such projects.
  • Doling out credit to Flea as a “magical” musician and all-around decent guy.

• The conversation turns lightly critical regarding Anthony Kiedis' public image and questionable dating history.

  • Bryan notes:

    “He’s like dating 19-year-olds, you know, or he started hanging out with them when they were 17 and then dating them when they were 18. And he’s like 58 years old.” [07:23]

• Krissy and Bryan lament the broader culture of shameless selling-out and grift in 2025.

  • Bryan philosophizes:

    “I hate to see when people sell out to that level, grift to that level, but that is what 2025 is all about. It’s one giant grift.” [15:45]

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2. Live Music and the Truth About Rock Star “Sober” Claims

[17:44 – 24:09]

• The duo recall their recent experience at a Pearl Jam show and discuss the myth of Eddie Vedder’s sobriety.

  • Krissy references a rumor that Vedder is sober; Bryan corrects, noting Vedder has always had a bottle of wine on stage.
  • Comedic misunderstanding with Google searches that deliver contradictory answers about Vedder's sobriety.
  • The “Seattle sober” phenomenon:

    “It’s Eddie Vedder sober instead of California sober. It’s Vetter sober. It’s Seattle sober.” — Bryan [21:44]

• Anecdotes about band “riders” and the often ridiculous backstage requests from artists.

  • Bryan laughs at the idea of TCB having a detailed rider, joking:

    “For us? No. For us, no. ... Chairs. We could do some chairs.” [25:35]

• Krissy imagines her own rider including tanning beds and wine:

  “I want a tanning bed is what I want. ... I want to be red as a rainbow. I want to be red and ready for the next guest.” [26:07]

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3. Pop Music Legends: Prince, Michael Jackson, and James Brown

[30:34 – 47:46]

• Bryan introduces a viral music history video about a fabled onstage showdown:

  • James Brown invites Michael Jackson and Prince up during a 1983 concert.

• They play and comment on audio from the infamous night, breaking down:

  • Michael Jackson’s electric stage presence and smart showmanship (“bow out a stage left”).
  • Prince’s technically less memorable but still flamboyant performance, including being carried on stage and stripping off his shirt.
  • The narrative that Prince felt “outshined,” fueling his later legendary status, especially with his iconic guitar solo at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
    • Bryan admires:

      “Prince, one of the greatest guitar players that ever lived.” [47:30]

• Discussion on how Prince’s public image fluctuated during the '90s/early '00s and how the “passing of the baton” in music works.

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4. Podcasting Parody: Theo Von, Mark Zuckerberg & the Awkward Interview

[48:36 – 59:22]

• Bryan reviews comedian Theo Von’s podcast interview with Mark Zuckerberg:

  • Cites Zuckerberg as an “extraordinarily strange alien” and “a success at any cost kind of guy.”
  • Skewers Zuckerberg’s attempts to appear relatable by talking about coffee, recreational caffeine use, and morning jiu-jitsu brawls.
  • Quotes from the interview highlight the disconnect:

    • “My sister gives me such a hard time about this. She’s like, you’re just sitting there raw-dogging reality.” [55:21] — Mark Zuckerberg’s partner

    • Bryan:

      “I have a hard time connecting with one of Earth’s richest people who at every turn makes a decision to make it worse.” [57:26]

• Krissy notes Zuckerbergs' privileged, insulated family life.

• Reflection on the performative nature of tech billionaire interviews and their limited authenticity.

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5. Celebrity, Social Currency, and “Safe Zone” Fame

[60:26 – 64:39]

• Story: Theo Von physically confronts a persistent fan in a Nashville bar, causing Bryan and Krissy to reflect gratefully on TCB’s anonymity.
  • Bryan:

    “We are in a safe zone… there is zero chance you’re ever gonna think you’re gonna get enough social currency even saying hello to us, let alone bothering us. ... Even when you know us, you don’t want to say hello.” [64:30]

• Brief tangent about crazy incidents (crypto CEO kidnapping attempt in Paris), underscoring the benefits of not being too famous.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Anthony Kiedis’s coffee grift:

  “What a ham hock crock of crap this is. I swear to God, I’m pissed. ... You don’t see The Who out there making a fartarita in a can that they could sell at the fucking London Opera House.” — Bryan [11:28]

• Sellout culture in 2025:

  “Selling out is so in vogue right now. Grifting is so in vogue right now.” — Bryan [15:45]

• On rock star riders:

  “Dear corporate overlords, we would like to be drunk as a skunk and a huge liability.” — Bryan [28:03]

• On Prince’s iconic Hall of Fame solo:

  “You can tell that the other musicians on the stage are not only in awe, they don’t know what’s going on. ... The best thing to do right now is just let that guitar be on fire. Let it sing.” — Bryan [36:45]

• On Zuckerberg “raw-dogging reality”:

  “Sometimes on vacation, I decide to go crazy and have Jolene. It’s accessible at all venues.” [54:41, mocking Mark]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:01 – Red Hot Chili Peppers, Anthony Kiedis’ coffee, and “live venue accessibility” lampooned
• 10:10 – “If you’re going to be a rock star, be a fucking rock star...”
• 15:45 – “It’s one giant grift” monologue about selling out
• 17:44 – 24:09 – Pearl Jam, Eddie Vedder’s “sobriety,” and hilarious Google misinformation
• 30:34 – 47:46 – Prince, Michael Jackson & James Brown 1983 performance analysis
• 48:36 – Theo Von & Mark Zuckerberg podcast breakdown and billionaire parody
• 60:26 – Theo Von’s Nashville bar incident with a fan
• 64:29 – Levels of fame, anonymity, and the “safe zone” for TCB

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Tone & Style

• Chaotic, irreverent, and self-deprecating; the hosts keep the banter quick and absurd.
• Heavy with satirical takes on celebrity branding, corporate tie-ins, and influencer culture.
• Emphasis on offbeat chemistry, honest opinions, and a clear sense of not taking themselves—or their show—too seriously.

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For anyone who hasn’t listened: this episode captures TCB at its best—riffing on the weird, hypocritical corners of pop and corporate culture, spinning music industry lore into hilarious rants, and anchoring the madness in sharp-witted friendship.

Transcript

[Brian Green]

Foreign.

[Paul Petting Putty]

Welcome back to WSHIT's Entertainment News. I'm Paul Petting Putty and every weekday morning we're covering everything from Hollywood to Bollywood and anything you can stuff in the middle, we'll call it like we see it. Whether it's hot or it's not, open up your ears. We're stuffing it in the slot. Many crab applians woke up this morning to find that singer, songwriter, sensation Garth Brooks has jumped on the advanced technology bandwagon and post posted a video on Facebook. Garth, of course a frequent visitor to Crabapple, a noted fan of local favorite dessert the Crabapple Surprise and client of Manny's Manhandle massage parlor. Garth took to the so called social media to introduce himself to the relatively small audience and to let fans know exactly what he would be up to. Color this reporter skeptical, but many experts are calling for this type of technology to be the way we consume entertainment. Moving into the Future. Well, it's 2025 and still much prefer a Betamax, a hot bucket of popcorn and a cool refreshing Zima on a Friday night. I'll pass on dialing up anything named Facebook. Let's listen to what Garth had to say about this new platform and how he intends to use it.

[Garth Brooks]

Well, I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook. I really wasn't sure about this at the start, but then a friend of mine said something that just made all kinds of sense. She said, think of it more as a conversation. I like that, but I'm already finding out on my own. So it's wiping the walls out between you and me. And I really like that it allows us into each other's worlds. Or I guess in my case, the hotel room. When I think about things I want to post. I want to post cool stuff, slick stuff, neat stuff. But most stuff I'm going to post is going to be raw stuff like this. This is just who I am. So if this is truly a conversation, then I say let the conversation begin.

[Paul Petting Putty]

Well, you can't say Garth's a man without a plan. Although I did much prefer his Christopher Gaines era. I mean, come on, who didn't think Christopher Gaines was neat? Garth has simply been on the forefront of everything that has ever been neat. I guess we can all be assured that if Garth is on the forefront of technology, very little of anything could go wrong. Will keep up with Facebook and with Garth. Let's take a moment and hear a word from our sponsors and then I'll be back with the story about Corey Feldman and his Seventh wife after this commercial break.

[Garth Brooks]

Neat stuff.

[Brian Green]

On this episode of the Commercial Break, parents didn't like Red Hot Chili Peppers, therefore the kids loved them. Yes, but I like my rock stars without coffee. That has live venue accessibility, if you know what I mean.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that's douchey.

[Brian Green]

It is. If you're going to be a rock star, be a fucking rock star. Don't team up with Live Nation to ensure live venue accessibility. That is the cockiest thing I have ever heard in my entire life and I stand against all that it represents. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break.

[Paul Petting Putty]

I'm Brian Green.

[Brian Green]

This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chris.

[Chris Hoadley]

Best to you, Brian.

[Brian Green]

Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Thanks for joining us. As we inch yet another step closer to the 12 hours of TCB. I got the bubble guts. I'm all sweaty. I don't know what I'm gonna do. But I do know one thing. Five Hour Energy will be right by our side. The official sponsor of the big birthday bash for tcb. Five years, six seasons.

[Chris Hoadley]

Makes sense. Five Hour Energy. Five years.

[Brian Green]

Five years. Five Hour energy.

[Chris Hoadley]

Plus we need to stay up for.

[Brian Green]

I did some math and we'll need to take 2.325 hour energies to get through the 12 hours.

[Chris Hoadley]

Thank you.

[Brian Green]

So there you go.

[Chris Hoadley]

Thank you for mathing.

[Brian Green]

Yes, I mathed it. I mathed it out and since we have plenty of five hour Energy, I think that'll be no problem to accomplish that. Anyway, we'll be here and we're super excited. We hope you'll be here too. May 31, Saturday starting at 10am ish. Might be an hour early, might be an hour later. Just depends on how all the technical stuff works out here at the commercial break.

[Chris Hoadley]

We'll figure later.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, just. Just stay tuned. Go to our. Go to our Instagram at the commercial break. Make sure you're following. And on YouTube, YouTube.com the commercial break for all the pertinent details and information. I never was a Red Hot Chili Peppers fan.

[Chris Hoadley]

Really?

[Brian Green]

Never? Never.

[Chris Hoadley]

I had my moment.

[Brian Green]

There are a few songs.

[Chris Hoadley]

Sugar, Sex, Magic.

[Brian Green]

You know, so many people in my circle of friends just adored that album, but I never owned it and I never thought it was all that great. Although there were a few songs on there that I could into. It was never my thing. I don't know why. I just. I just was never ready.

[Chris Hoadley]

Give it away. Give it Away now Give it away.

[Brian Green]

Give it away Give it away now.

[Chris Hoadley]

Flea's autobiography is very interesting. I don't know.

[Brian Green]

Now I'm sleeping with a girl named Jewel.

[Rachel]

I don't know.

[Brian Green]

Who knows? I don't know. It's all Hocus Pocus, Alamo under the bed.

[Rachel]

Sometime a little bit something.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. I didn't like the way he danced. I. I don't know. I just like the whole vibe. Wasn't for me. That SoCal, red hot chili Peppers, funk vibe, funk rock, grunge, funk rock, whatever the you call. Didn't strike me in.

[Chris Hoadley]

Wasn't your thing.

[Brian Green]

Wasn't my thing. Just wasn't my thing. No, you know, no offense. Anybody likes it. And I saw Red Hot Chili Peppers three or four times live. I could say that they put on an okay show. Anthony Kiedis, I don't think was ever the best live singer, but Flea was magical.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, Flea is really good.

[Brian Green]

Chad was wonderful on drums. And then they oftentimes, I think they had another. What was his name?

[Chris Hoadley]

They swear we switched guitarist guitarists in there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, but. But anyway, over the last couple of years, I've started to read articles about Anthony Kiedis specifically that don't shine the best light on him and his romantic proclivities, let's put it that way.

[Chris Hoadley]

Some of the same things that he.

[Brian Green]

Has oftentimes seen with girls that are inappropriately young. There have been girls who have come out. There has been vid old video of him on MTV appearances and places like that where it's just clear maybe he didn't or doesn't have a ton of respect for the females around him. They're. They seem kind of more like pieces of meat, so to speak. Anyway, that's for you to digest and for you to figure. I don't think there's any accusation that he's like sleeping with underage girls. I think he's just like dating like 19 year olds, you know, or he started hanging out with them when they were 17 and then dating them when they were 18. And he's like 58 years old. I mean, the guy is up there in age now.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Well, now he's announced that he's going to make a brand new coffee in a can company for everybody to digest his wonderful coffee in a can. He's gotten to that age.

[Chris Hoadley]

Keita's coffee.

[Brian Green]

Keita's coffee. It's going to be called Dish by Anthony Keita. It's called Jolene, Jolene, Jolene. The fuck Jolene.

[Chris Hoadley]

If Anything. That's Dolly's coffee.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that should be Dolly's coffee, but you know, he's. Let's see. Mark Rapinoe, the CEO of Live Nation, and James Morrissey, the founder of Global Brands Equity, are combining their expertise with all the partners to ensure both consistency of the product along with unparalleled degree of live venue accessibility.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, God. Okay.

[Brian Green]

This is the most hokey pokey Alamagoki bullshit I've ever seen in my entire life from a bonafide rock star. Now, there's one thing we can all agree on is that Red Hot Chili Peppers have never exactly been ones to play it by the book. They've always kind of been on the outer edges of of pop music, Right. They've been edgy. They have showed up on Rolling Stone with their dicks and socks. I mean, that part I could always forgot about that. Yeah. Do you remember that?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

And they had amazingly large all of them, apparently, because they could hold up a sock with their cock. If I put my sock in a cock, it'd have to be one of those no show socks. Yeah, if I put my cock in the socks, the no show socks. But they were wearing like the old high top sock cocks and they had their cocks in the high top socks. And they were rocking that cocking in that stocking. I'm telling you right now, that stocking was rocking a cocking. Because you go back and look at that cover, it was first of all, ingenious. Second of all, it was amazing how big apparently their penises were. But. And I always felt a little bit insecure about that as a teenager looking at that cover. But they were always kind of on the edges of what was mainstream cool, right? People liked them, but they were known to have a little bit of Jenna sais quoi, if you will.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, the parents didn't like them.

[Brian Green]

No, parents didn't like Red Hot Chili Peppers, therefore the kids loved them. But I like my rock stars without coffee that has live venue accessibility, if you know what I mean.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that's.

[Brian Green]

Douchey.

[Chris Hoadley]

It is.

[Brian Green]

If you're gonna be a rock star, be a fucking rock star. Don't team up with Live Nation to ensure live venue accessibility. That is the cockiest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. And I stand against all that it represents. I have the constitution, Napoleon. If Live Nation came to me and asked me to do a drink called Carla and it have live venue accessibility, well, I'd do it. But no one expects me to do anything different. I'm broke. Anthony Kiedis has money. He doesn't need live venue accessibility. Can I get a Jolene please? Then what kind of live venue is this when you don't have accessibility to Jolene coffee by Kiedis, who thinks they're going to the fucking tabernacle and ordering themselves a Jolene? Hey man, we're going to the Naco to get ourselves a couple Jolene's.

[Chris Hoadley]

You want a Jolene?

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Can I get you a Jolene?

[Brian Green]

Well, there's only one venue in this town I'm going to. It's the one that serves Jolene. If it doesn't have live venue accessibility, I'm not showing up. I'm not a sellout. I only go to Jolene venues. What a ham hock crock of crap this is. I swear to God, I'm pissed. I'm pissed. You don't see the who out there making a fartarita in a can that they could sell at the fucking London Opera House with live venue access.

[Chris Hoadley]

At least go tequila like everybody else's.

[Brian Green]

Yes, do what everybody else does. Make a bourbon or a tequila. And then don't strike up a deal with Live Nation to put out a press release about live venue accessibility. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It makes you sound like a cock. And along with all the other cock in a sock and then of all the other like kind of more shitty stuff that's been noted about you and your relationship to females, it just all combines to spell huge sellout. You were always in it for the money in the first place. You were always in it for the accoutrements, not for the creativity. And listen.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, not anymore.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, not anymore. Well, I don't know if ever. I mean, once you do blood, sex, sugar magic Jolene, then.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, how did the name Jolene come about?

[Brian Green]

Don't know.

[Chris Hoadley]

It doesn't say.

[Brian Green]

Doesn't say. It's just like strange. Yeah, it's another fancy.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'd rather be Ketos Coffee.

[Brian Green]

I'd rather be Ketos Coffee also. And I'd rather that Ketos Coffee be available at my local independent coffee shop, even Starbucks, for God's sakes, than Live Nation related venues. I mean, like it's just. And I can just smell it now. Next year, tour around the Live Nation venues that carry Jolene. The Jolene tour that everyone's going to go on. It's so stupid, Jolene. So stupid. It is a level of grift and sellout that doesn't accompany my idea of an insider, outsider, independent, rock star, rap star, pop star, whatever you want to call it. Star that kind of, like, fights against the bullshit, or at least takes a stand against the bullshit a little bit. Like, that's. You got a platform. You don't have to be overly, like, vocal or political. You don't have to fight every battle for everyone. You don't even have to fight any battle for anyone. But if you're gonna sell out, do it like normal rock stars do, you know? I mean, Live Nation's already got you in a stranglehold. I understand. You gotta play ball with them, but, you know, they make a drink called Jolene.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And then ensure live venue accessibility. That is so stupid, really, to associate yourself with. Even the press release is kind of sickening. It just makes me that it may. I think I was always right about Red Hot Chili. Now Flea and Chad, I like both those guys. I think. I think they're great. I actually met Flea one time briefly, and he was very nice. I mean, for the three seconds he had my attention, I had his. He was very nice.

[Chris Hoadley]

And, yeah, he seems like a really nice guy, and he's very in touch with, like, his spiritual side. And. I don't know the book. His book was great.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. He's one of the better bassists.

[Chris Hoadley]

He took a lot of drugs really young, and then, you know, moved on, blew it out.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, so did I. I get it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I mean, not so young, but, you know, I took a lot of drugs very young, and then I continued that through most of the rest of my life. But then at some point, I just decided, that's it. I did. I did that. I'll get back to it after I retire, you know, after the kids are gone. You know what I'm saying? When I could look like an idiot, when I can make my coffee company. Jolene. That sound like an idiot. I guess I'm just disappointed is the word that I would use.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I hate to see when people sell out to that level, grift to that level, but that is what 2025 is all about. It's one giant grift. We are all grifting each other, spiritually, emotionally, financially. It's just as long as we can get ourselves a little bit better on the backs of someone else and we like. It's completely selling out is so in vogue right now. It's completely grifting is so in vogue right now. And that is kind of. Who said this to us the other day? I can't remember. And it's probably coming up on the 12 hours. You'll hear this on the 12 hours as we are doing the interviews for the 12 hours. But someone said that the 90s was the end of civilization.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Green]

The end of humanity. Like the 90s was pinnacle humanity. Right. And it's only been going downhill since then. It was kind of a depressing view, actually.

[Rachel]

It was.

[Brian Green]

But I will say I got the point. The point was taken. Right. And we've all just a. Consumerism, capitalism, and the getting ahead at everybody else's expense has just really accelerated. And now it's just corruption in plain sight. No one's asking questions. We're all just used to it. We all just go, oh, okay, all right. $500 million jet. Yeah, that's cool. We'll take that. And listen, I don't want to get political about it because it happens on both sides of the aisle. All of them, all of us. And I'm not even excluding myself from that, because the truth is, is that we're all just trying to get to that. I don't know, that place where we feel magical and powerful and whatever. And I guess if you gotta put some crappy, shitty cold coffee in a can and call it Jolene and make sure it gets all the live venues so all the kids can be hepped up on it when they listen to your. Then I guess that's cool. I guess that's what we do now. That's why I like. I like my Eddie better.

[Chris Hoadley]

He needs to do a red wine.

[Brian Green]

He does. But I. Yeah, Chrissy and I get into this debate. This is the funniest thing. This is funny, actually. We'll talk about this just for a second, even if for briefly. Chrissy comes in to record a couple of days ago, and we're still kind of like, you know, glowing. From the Atlanta Pearl Jam concert that we went to and had exceptional seats with Jackie Beans from a favor from one of Jeff's friends who got a favor from the band, essentially. So we're, like, gifted these tickets from the band or someone close to the band that are just beautiful. And we see Pearl Jam put on an excellent show in an excellent venue in an excellent location. Just one of those magical moments that you have in life where you go, holy shit. Doesn't get much better than this, but live music wise, it certainly doesn't. And so, you know, we're still kind of cheating and chatting about this. It's fresh on our minds. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And I had some friends who went to the Pearl Jam show in another town.

[Brian Green]

Nashville.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. And they had a blast, too. They had so much fun. They did not nearly have. They did not have nearly as good as seeds. But, you know, I think when you're seeing Pearl Jam, though, it's just, if.

[Brian Green]

You'Re there, you're there.

[Chris Hoadley]

If you're there, you're there. And it was just so fun. But they did come back talking about how, you know, there was Eddie. Eddie. He was drinking his red wine.

[Brian Green]

Eddie fell off the wagon. He was back on the red wine. Yeah, that was the. That was the kind of the gist of the conversation. So Chrissy says, you know. Yeah, but I heard Eddie's off the wagon because he was drinking some red wine. And I go, what wagon was he?

[Chris Hoadley]

No, I didn't know that. And they sent a thing out saying, too, like, from Google, that said Eddie Vedder has been sober for 16 years.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. So I say to Chrissy, so, like, we're going back and forth, and I'm.

[Chris Hoadley]

Like, so I was just laughing with my friends saying, well, if you're gonna fall off the wagon at all, like, Nashville's the place to do it, because had Peter Frampton come out, and it was a big deal.

[Brian Green]

So I say, hey, listen, Brian's like, no, he's not. What?

[Chris Hoadley]

He's not.

[Brian Green]

So I've seen these guys, like, 30 times, and I've never seen Eddie without a bottle of wine in his hand. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And I was like, well, I didn't think that he was.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And so I started sending, like, screenshots on the Internet. Yeah. Screenshot after screenshot after video after video of every show that they've done at 11 last night. It's at 11. And I'm sending, like, the thing that Eddie does is he drinks wine during the show, and then he'll pass the bottle around, out into the crowd, people will take a sip and give it back to Eddie. Like, he's at that level where he doesn't give a shit about the spit. He's just. He's so intoxicated by the whole scene that he's handing the bottle out and giving it back. And at our show alone, he traded the bottle that he was drinking to somebody for, like, a brave shirt or something. I can't remember what the shirt was, but, like, a local sports shirt. And then when, at the end of the show, he brought out a bunch of champagne, ended up popping bottles on stage to celebrate Matt Cameron's second induction into. Induction into the hall of Fame. So I'm like, chrissy, he is not sober. Like, I Don't know who's getting this information. Then I Google it, and it says, eddie Vedder, known to drink wine at every live show. That's. He loves red wine. It's telling you what kind of wine he likes to drink at his shows.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And then I. Yeah. And then Chrissy's like, I just saw it on Google. And she sends me the snapshot. And then I Google, Eddie Vedder sober. And it's like, yes, Eddie Voter has been sober for 16. And I'm like, what the fuck? Eddie Vedder has not been sober for 16 years. That's not a true story. So it. The. And Chrissy said something. It was so true. The age of misinformation and confusion. You can ask Google and it can give you two different answers based on one word that you put in there. Completely different answers. Eddie Vedder not sober. Not in the traditional sense of sobriety. If by sober you mean I only get drunk every night, then, yes, I guess you're sober.

[Chris Hoadley]

And we figured it's not hard drugs anymore.

[Brian Green]

I think it's hard drugs that he abstains from after, you know, being a rock star. Right. I don't know what his story is.

[Chris Hoadley]

It's Eddie Vedder sober instead of California sober.

[Brian Green]

Yes. Instead of California sober. It's Vetter sober. It's Seattle sober.

[Chris Hoadley]

Seattle sober?

[Brian Green]

Yeah, he's Seattle sober. It's coffee, cigarettes, and wine. That's what he does. Hey, listen, if you're gonna drink it, something, drink the wine. I guess it's got some. I love benefits, I suppose. Gives me a fucking headache. But, I mean, it depends on what kind of wine and when I drink it, but sometimes it gives me a headache. But I used to be a huge red wine drinker when I worked at that trattoria. It was Chianti Classico 24 hours a day. Brian. What? We need to order two more cases of Chianti Classico.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's probably.

[Brian Green]

We only sold one bottle. What happened? I'd be like, me and Ra.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's what happened while we were cleaning up.

[Brian Green]

Oh, my God. We drink so much of that.

[Chris Hoadley]

We cleaned up.

[Brian Green]

We cleaned out the Chianti Classic. I dropped a box. I remember one time I was like, I dropped a box. I didn't know what to say.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's probably why you get headaches now, because your brain body was so used to them.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. The shitty red Italian table wine that we used to drink. Like, this is the kind of stuff they give to kids when they're real young to get used to table Wine, it's just vinegar, essentially. Yeah, Shitty vinegar that gets you drunk if you drink enough of it. Um, but anyway, so I was like, you know, clearly, Eddie is. I have seen these guys a lot, and I have never seen Eddie without a bottle in his hand, as a matter of fact. And you can back me up on this if you were there. The first concert that I saw Pearl Jam at, maybe I can't remember if it was Lollapalooza or the Fox Theater. It was one of those two. But the Fox Theater here. Oh, maybe. So maybe the second. I don't know. I don't know how to chronologically it went, but the Fox Theater here in Atlanta, they played. And Easter Sunday, 1994, I think it was. Okay, so I see that picture. Yeah, that's right. Somewhere around here. So Lollapalooza would have been the first time. But anyway, so when I saw them, the show was an hour delayed. And when I asked someone who was connected to the event why it was so late, he said, because they were trying to find the wine that Eddie wanted to drink before the show. He was trying to get a vibe on with a specific wine, and they had to run around town in Pearl Jam traffic trying to find this specific bottle of wine. The guy has always had a bottle of wine in his hand.

[Chris Hoadley]

And those demands really happen, by the way. I've really got to see all of that with Jeff.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And the artists.

[Brian Green]

Absolutely.

[Chris Hoadley]

Certain kind of candles, certain wines, certain things. It's a thing.

[Brian Green]

Here's a little story right before we go to break. So a couple of months ago, the idea is floated around. I'm not gonna get all the details. It's kind of like a little too far behind the scenes. But an idea has floated around that you and I should go into the Odyssey local studios to record celebrity interviews and special events in their studios so that we feel comfortable we have a space to invite celebrities. That's not my actual fucking house.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

Which Astrid is, like, already said is an absolute. No, no, no. I'm not having celebrities or tabloids or limousines or whatever happens. Right. And plus, with Blue and my kids here, it's just not a place to bring Tom Papa. You know what I'm saying?

[Chris Hoadley]

Reggie, maybe.

[Paul Petting Putty]

Reggie.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I could see that. Reggie Rosebud Baker. You know, people who might have that vibe going on at their own house, where they go, oh, that's just normal. But so it's floated around. Okay, so then we're going back and forth about the logistics of this, and someone sends an Email to me and says, okay, tell me more about what you would need and what a typical rider would look like.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

And I was like. Like a rider with, like, requests.

[Rachel]

I mean, for us.

[Brian Green]

For us and. Or celebrities.

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

And I was like, I don't. A chair. Chairs. Chairs. We could do some chairs. I was so taken back by that question.

[Chris Hoadley]

You're telling me we've got a writer?

[Brian Green]

We don't have a writer. Let's get to the studio. Let's go. Why are we recording here? Let's go there.

[Chris Hoadley]

Closer to my house.

[Brian Green]

Yes, I'd like a masseuse.

[Chris Hoadley]

Whatever I want.

[Brian Green]

I'd like a masseuse. Chrissy needs wine. Red wine. Yes, I need wine. Brian 3000. Yeah. But anyway, so maybe in the future, tanning bed visits. Tanning bed? Yeah, I want a tanning bed is what I want. Not next door. I want it right there in the studio. So in between recordings, I can just go in there and freshen up the tan. Yeah. I want to be red as a rainbow. I want to be red and ready for the next guest.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'm just glowing with that burnt skin smell.

[Brian Green]

I want that bloomin onion smell when they come in there. I want to smell like a fryer. I want you to be able to dip my fingers in awesome blossom sauce and take a bite and it'll be delicious. That's what I want. That's the level of tan I need. Golden brown. Anyway, stay tuned. That looks like it's gonna happen, but no, it's promising. No rider. I didn't negotiate that. I said possibly a ride from the hotel, like for the celebrities. A ride from the hot. A few sodas. I mean, unless Tom Cruise decides to show up or any better. Like, what could I possibly. Yeah, I don't think the level of our guests. I mean, maybe you never know, maybe somebody would request like hair and makeup or something like that.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But I think I'm just gonna have to say not that kind of show.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, on a case by case basis, I guess.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I made it clear that I don't know, but for us. No. For us, no. Well, because I know that if I had asked for anything, I can't believe he said no. What did you want me to ask for?

[Chris Hoadley]

Wine.

[Brian Green]

Wine, wine.

[Chris Hoadley]

And some stark coterie.

[Brian Green]

Dear corporate overlords, we would like to be drunk as a skunk and a huge liability.

[Chris Hoadley]

It's gonna be a new environment. I'm gonna have to, you know, get.

[Brian Green]

Drunk, get used to it. I'm gonna have to be Hammered. We would like to be a huge liability to you and anyone in the office by walking around with an open bottle of vodka. Okay, one bottle of vodka. I'll tell you what. I'll pay for it and I'll hide it under my chair until after the interview is over.

[Chris Hoadley]

That sounds fun to have a writer.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, well, it does sound fun to have a rider. I'll have to ask our agent to whoop one up. I think he'll go, yeah, a rider. Sure, sure. What kind of air do you want to breathe when you get there?

[Chris Hoadley]

Get on Legal Zoom.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, get on legal Zoom in. Get that. You can't even afford to have me think about a rider, let alone write one. So what kind of air do you want to breathe when you get there? I'll be happy to write that in Oxygen. Yeah, sure, no problem. They need oxygen, heating and air conditioning. Lights, carpet. Lights, carpet. Action. All right, we'll take a break. We'll be back. You make this rather snappy, won't you? I have some very heavy thinking to do before 10 o'.

[Rachel]

Clock.

Hi, cats and kittens. Rachel here. Do you ever get the urge to speak endlessly into the void like Brian? Well, I've got that just the place for you to do that. 212-4333. TCB. That's 212-433-3322. Feel free to call and yell all you want. Tell Brian I need a raise. Compliment Chrissy's innate ability to put up with all his shenanigans, or tell us a little story. The juicier the better. By the way, we'd love to hear your voice because Lord knows we're done listening to ourselves. Also, give us a follow on your favorite social at the commercial break on Insta TCB podcast on TikTok. And for those of you who like to watch. Oh, that came out wrong. We put all the episodes out on video. YouTube.com thecommercial break and tcbpodcast.com for all the info on the show, your free sticker, or just to see how pretty we look. Okay, I gotta go now. I've got a date with my dog. No, seriously. Axl needs food. Today is pork chop day.

[Brian Green]

There is a video, like, while we're on the music Anthony Kiedis thing, there's a video going around. It's a pretty brilliantly done video from a guy I don't know.

[Garth Brooks]

He's.

[Brian Green]

He talks about music on his Instagram and TikTok, and he's explaining that prince who, in case you're wondering, I'll tell you right now for a fact. Is one of the best guitar players that has ever lived.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, hands down.

[Brian Green]

He's incredible. He's a virtuoso. He's a prodigy. He knows the guitar like he knew the guitar like the back of his hand. He didn't even have to look at the guitar. Go look at his Minneapolis. Sorry about that. Go look at his Minneapolis live Purple rain from like 1984. There's like a.

[Chris Hoadley]

And then the. In the hall of Fame.

[Brian Green]

Well, that's what I'm gonna get there. So it's like. Like that Minneapolis where he plays in front of this CR. At a park and there's like 100,000 people there and they do like this 22 minute version of Purple Rain. And 11 to 13 minutes of it is guitar solo and not a moment of it is uninteresting. Because you know, sometimes you get into those long guitar solos and it can get really like monotonous and repetitive. You got to know when to stop a guitar solo. And there are three guitarists that I have known that are really good at these very long guitar solos. That's Slash, that's Trey Anastasia from Fish, and that is Prince.

[Chris Hoadley]

I would add Jack White.

[Brian Green]

Okay, I've seen Jack White too. Yeah, he can. He can go to. I mean I'm sure there's lots more to add to the list, but there's like my three personal.

[Chris Hoadley]

I mean Led Zeppelin, but.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, but I've even heard a couple of Jimmy Page live guitar solos go on a lick or two long. David Gilmore might be thrown in there from Pink Floyd, but I've even heard a couple of his licks go on too long. Eric Clapton, a couple of his licks go on too long. But I've never heard of Prince lick go on just a little bit too long. He one time. The last concert that he did, I think was at the LA Coliseum. He had done like 20 nights in a row at this old Coliseum in LA that was going to get closed down. He was trying to save it. So he did all these live concerts and sent all the money and like the 19th of the 20th night or whatever, he did like a 40 minute purple rain. And even. Even though it did get a little long in the tooth, it was incredible, right? He just kept it going. It was going and going. People were. Anyway, so Prince has been a virtuoso for a long time. He's just one. Is simply one of the better musicians that has lived in my time. That's that I've been alive during his time. A lot of people think Michael Jackson would be one of the other better musicians that has lived in this era or lived in the last 50 to 100 years. And some people. Some people might put James Brown in there also.

[Chris Hoadley]

I do love James Brown.

[Brian Green]

He certainly was one of the more better. He was. Certainly was one of the better live performers. Yeah, for sure. His energy was unmatched. Powered by Colombian marching powder 90% of the time. But, you know, whatever. I couldn't dance like that when I was on cocaine. I just wanted to be at home under a rock. So good for James Brown. Yeah. With my whiteboard. I wanted to be by myself with my whiteboard, maybe my friend. And being left alone for the most part in my own paranoia and despair. So James, Michael and Prince met on one fateful night in 1983 at a James Brown concert. And some people believe that James invited both Michael and Prince, who were in the crowd, up to have their moment on the microphone. He's essentially handing the. He's like passing the baton. Passing the baton. That's a great way to put it. He's passing the baton on to the next generation, saying these two are two to be paid attention to. Because this is early on in their. Relatively early on in their careers, though they were known, they certainly weren't the superstars that we would. Would they would become in the mid 8, late early 90s. Mid 8, mid to late 80s, early 90s. Anyway, in this show, something happens where Michael just kind of clearly outshines Prince. And some people believe, as per this reel, that that started a lifelong yearning for Prince to be recognized as one of the great musicians. And that it was 25 years later, 30 years later, at the Rock and Roll hall of Fame induction. For who? For the Beatles. Right. Am I right about that?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. Or Was it Paul McCartney?

[Brian Green]

Paul McCartney or George Harrison? One of the two. Yeah, George Harrison.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yep.

[Brian Green]

When my guitar gently weeps When Tom Petty and a bunch of other, like, huge rock stars are out there playing this. And all of the sudden, Prince, uncued, takes the last guitar solo and wails, just goes nuts for, like six minutes. It's incredible. You have to watch it. It's incredible. And you can tell that the other musicians on the stage are not only in awe, they don't know what's going on. And they just keep playing. They just know the best thing to do right now is just let that guitar be on fire. Let it sing. Just let it sing. Even Tom Petty, emotionless and the kind of like a A guy who didn't wear his heart on his sleeves. You could tell. There was just like a wry smile on his face as he knew what he was doing was witnessing history. Yeah, but. So this whole story goes on on Instagram. This guy puts it together beautifully. Much more beautifully than I just did. But I. I was like, wow, I have to see this moment that caused Prince, like, so much like, I guess, despair. This moment when he was supposed to shine and he never shined, that caused him to really feel like he had to fight or he had to prove himself to the world. And if you remember, there was a moment in the 90s, and maybe even the early 2000s, when Prince was a little bit of a joke. He did, like, that whole Batman thing. He changed his name to the symbol. He was putting out all of this kind of weird. I like some of it, but not everybody did.

[Chris Hoadley]

I always liked him. But yes, there was where people were.

[Brian Green]

Kind of like, oh, Prince, yeah. The symbol. Prince, yeah. Formerly known. The guy formerly known as Prince. He. It was kind of a joke at some. At one point, I remember not him being the joke, but like, his musical career didn't go like Michael Jackson's did or James Brown's did or a lot of the other Madonnas did. It kind of went a little weird. It took like a left turn and then a right turn and then he was doing Batman. You know, Batman. So let's take a listen. You want to take a listen to this?

[Chris Hoadley]

I do.

[Brian Green]

Let's take a listen to this moment. 1983 James Brown concert. James in his full sweat, but hair flying.

[Chris Hoadley]

Bouffant.

[Brian Green]

Bouffant. He is probably so fucking high you can't even see straight. And I'm not saying that disparate to being disparaging of James. He would tell you that if he was here today, right now. Yeah.

[Paul Petting Putty]

Let's give another standing ovation for a.

[Brian Green]

Young man sitting behind you that you have no idea who's in audience.

[Rachel]

Michael Jackson. Move. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson.

[Brian Green]

Michael Jackson. And there's Michael. Sunglasses, moptop hair. I think this is post Pepsi commercial. Is this post or pre Pepsi commercial? When he burned his head?

[Chris Hoadley]

But yeah, he's got the jacket.

[Brian Green]

The army, like, weird Sergeant Pepper jacket. Yeah.

[Rachel]

Michael Jackson. You gotta come up and say something. You gotta come up and say something. Michael Jackson. Come on up, Mike. Come up and say something. Gotta come up and say something.

[Chris Hoadley]

Is this like an award show?

[Brian Green]

I don't know. I. I don't. I don't know. It. It. I don't think it is, but maybe it is. Was that Kevin Nean, like, Michael's walking through the crowd, trying to get to the stage, and there you. There are some maybe celebrities. No, that just looks like a bunch of people in 1983. They're all 18 years old and, like, they're 42. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

This might have been pre Pepsi Burn.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I think it might have been pre Pepsi Burn, but definitely that he was going in the direction of.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

Like, changing his looks.

[Chris Hoadley]

Appearance.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

I love you.

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay. He's doing a little James Brown.

[Brian Green]

He's doing a little James Brown moonwalk. He gets a rye. Big applause, and then he smartly decides to bow out a stage left. That's what I would do.

[Chris Hoadley]

He's giving James a hug.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, he's giving James a hug. I would go out in a high note also. I'd be like, that was it. That was good. I love you.

[Rachel]

See you later.

[Chris Hoadley]

Moonwalk and all.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I love you. Stage left. The whole crowd high on cocaine, bouncing along. Yep.

[Chris Hoadley]

Look at that woman in the blue pantsuit. She's getting down.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah, she's getting down.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

She's half an eight ball in. So, okay, so he leaves.

[Rachel]

Give him a big round of app. Because he just insisted that I introduce Prince. Yeah, Prince.

[Chris Hoadley]

Where you at?

[Rachel]

Where you at, Prince?

[Paul Petting Putty]

Prince.

[Chris Hoadley]

He's looking all around.

[Brian Green]

Was he right? Does it look alike? I got to take a break. I got to hit my bullet.

[Rachel]

Friend.

[Brian Green]

Meanwhile, that band is just chugging up.

[Chris Hoadley]

Band? He had a great band.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah. Okay, so here comes Prince. Okay.

[Chris Hoadley]

Prince is in his little regalia as well.

[Brian Green]

Yep.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

They're giving him a guitar. He's picking up the notes. I think he's talking to the bassist and he's saying, what are the. You know, what are the key. What key are you in?

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, first of all, can I say that the. The previous video that we were watching was clear.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

This is great because.

[Brian Green]

And I know why. Because.

[Chris Hoadley]

Switch to, like, a VHS beta.

[Brian Green]

Here's part of the reason why he was mad is because that his appearance was cut out of the show. Whatever this was was broadcast somewhere. And his appearance was cut out of the show because according to somebody, his performance was not as electric as Michael Jackson's. And you can tell it's not as electric as Michael Jackson's. He's playing a little ditty. He's got one note. He's just kind of jamming along, and now he's like, you know, trying to pander to the crowd a little bit. Oh, oh, and he takes off his shirt. Okay, let's go for that. Yep.

[Chris Hoadley]

I thought he was gonna take off his pants too. He just pulled him up. That looks pretty electric.

[Brian Green]

Listen, we look back on it now.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And we think it's electric because we know Prince as the superstar that we know him to be. Right.

[Chris Hoadley]

Maybe it was too racy because he took off his shirt.

[Brian Green]

Maybe. And the other thing that we missed in this particular version of it that I have seen, I have now researched this and seen other versions of it, but it was just like a little bit too long to get into was that. What you don't see is that the way that he got to the stage is he was carried on the back of a guy that used to do this for him. Like a big white guy, Huge, seven foot, whatever. Yeah, okay. Okay.

[Chris Hoadley]

It said at the very beginning.

[Brian Green]

So apparently this is how Prince would walk around. Like at award shows. He was known to be carried to stage by a big white man. Hey, listen, I love it. I think it's great. Okay, now that's it. That's all he does.

[Rachel]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Right. Okay. He takes off his shirt. He pulls down a lamp post that is a stage prop that he obviously thinks is secured to the floor. Is not. And he falls off stage.

[Chris Hoadley]

I thought you were just going to.

[Brian Green]

Swing around the big guy that carries him around. Okay, now they running. Yeah, now they have to run and chase him and give him his jacket. So you get it. Like, I mean, you know, Michael took one half a minute and electrified the crowd. And he took stage left. He took the cue. Right. He knew the. He knew the assignment. Prince. Although we would have died of his time. Yeah, we would have died to have been there.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

And that moment it felt like he got up, acted a little goofy and left. Right. That was it. And he. And according to people who were there, who knew him, who were privy to this kind of information, he always felt like me, I'm privy to this information. He always felt that this was like Michael. Ouch. Outshined him and they cut him out of it. And he never got the respect that he deserved. And he wasn't hand. And, and, and then, then 30 years later, he blows everybody away playing as my guitar gently weeps in front of all these other rock and roll gods. And guess what? A star is born. Or was already born, but a star is solidified. Prince, one of the greatest guitar players that ever lived. We'll be back.

[Rachel]

Why don't you text us and we can text back and then you can text us and reply Then so one, it's a fun little game I've been playing and I think you'll be great at it. 212-4333-TCB. That's 212-433-3822. You could leave a message too. If you do, maybe you'll end up being the voice of the show. But be warned, the pay is not great. You could go to the website and drop us an email. Also tcbpodcast.com and while you're there, you can get a free sticker. Who doesn't want a free sticker? Sure, just go to the contact us button and ask for one. Follow us on insta at the commercial break and watch the [e-mail] thecommercialbreak Now I'm gonna go back to that texting game you wanna play. Come on. Bye.

[Brian Green]

I'm sure you've heard the name Theo Vaughn before.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

Theo is a fellow comedy podcaster who's got a very popular po. Very popular popular podcast called I think it's called this past weekend. Theo is a former MTV reality show star. He was on Road Rules, I think, and he kind of parlayed this funny, southern quirky, weird talk thing that he does into. I mean, he's very interesting to listen to. I have to, I have to say this. Theo's very interesting to listen to. He's got a very interesting way of speaking. Speaking. He's always got interesting way of looking at things. He's had his former troubles with drugs and alcohol and all this other stuff. And he's parlayed that into kind of this, you know, no holds barred podcast that he does where he brings on very interesting guests. And he's had some of the biggest, most famous people in the world show up in his show up to and including Donald Trump during the last election, which a lot of people gave him gruff for. I thought it was one of the lessons, positiony kind of like promo type of appearances that Donald did on some of these podcasts and the. What they call, what they. What we're like pejoratively calling the manosphere, the podcast manosphere. I got a soft spot, spot, I think a little bit for, for Theo. I do like his show. I like to listen to what he has to say sometimes. And he's a fellow podcaster and so I fellow podcaster in probably the more traditional sense where he's run through some of the same networks we have had some of the same troubles that we've had. Like, and as a matter of fact, Theo got screwed by one of his former podcast networks in a very big and public blow up that one of these networks had where they were talking about that. Yeah, they financially left a bunch of people high and dry. And so we know what that can feel like. And, and I wrote him and he wrote me back. I wrote him. He made a video about it. This is a couple years ago, he made a video about it. And I wrote him and just said he was fighting for the, he's like, listen, I'll be fine. But it's all these other podcasters and I'm really upset for them and I think someone needs to speak out on their behalf, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I just felt that was good of him to do and I let him know that. And, and he wrote me back. And so a brief conversation. And so, you know, you connect with someone personally on that, on any level and you, you have a little bit of an affinity for them. But all that said, here's what I, I. Okay, I'm just, I'm not even going to preface it. I'll let you have your own opinions about this. Theo had on Mark Zuckerberg.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, God.

[Brian Green]

The extraordinarily strange alien that started Facebook. The Palladian that came down from outer space to start space and now owns Instagram and Meta and metaverse and WhatsApp. WhatsApp, yes, I think you're right about that. And a bunch of other companies that are certain to do irrevocable harm to society, children in general and probably the humans at large. Mark is a strange human, no matter which way you look at it. Yeah. And he's kind of a, A success at any cost kind of guy. And I think if that's not clear from just looking at Mark and hearing him speak, then you're not paying, you're not reading in between the lines. And there's a lot of in between the lines to read with Mark because he is a one very odd motherfucker. Now, there's lots of odd motherfuckers. I'm an odd motherfucker. There's no knock against being odd. As a matter of fact, it can be kind of cute when you're odd. It's original, it's interesting, Interesting. It's independent. But I just don't know what to make of Mark Zuckerberg. And I don't think Theo know what to make of him either, quite frankly. This is a really strange interview. Gets less strange as it goes on, but the beginning of it is just almost tough to watch. And so while I don't love breaking down Other podcasters. Podcasts. I thought that I would just take. We would just take a minute to listen.

[Chris Hoadley]

Look, I thought we were gonna listen to Prince. We'll get back to that.

[Brian Green]

Oh. Oh, you wanted to listen to my guitar Gently weeps.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, well, no, I thought that's where we were going with that last.

[Brian Green]

No, because it's. It's copyrighted, and I most certainly will not be.

[Chris Hoadley]

Everybody go listen to it.

[Brian Green]

Everybody go listen to it. I can do the other one because I'm making commentary on it. If I play copyrighted music that's on Spotify making money, then I will certainly get knocked for it. So go watch my guitar. Gently weeps. All right, so Theo used to have a setup like this, like we have right now.

[Rachel]

Now.

[Brian Green]

And then he went to the table and chairs like we went.

[Chris Hoadley]

He flipped.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Only Theo didn't even paint his table.

[Chris Hoadley]

He did not. Just a plywood.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. He put the TV behind him with a roller stand. He's got the exact same setup. We had the exact same setup. It's kind of crazy when you think about it, but, I mean, listen, it's. We also took our idea from someone else, too, so it's not like we.

[Chris Hoadley]

We didn't have the fake plants in the back, but.

[Brian Green]

No. That's an interesting look. Okay. All right, here's Theo and Mark Zuckerberg. Look at Mark. He doesn't. He's like, do I have to talk to human beings?

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Coffee man, or.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

No, no.

[Brian Green]

Do you drink coffee man? No, I do not. He's got those damn glasses on that records everything, too. Fucker.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Really?

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, I didn't even think about that. Those are the meta glasses, huh?

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah. They've got to be the meta glasses, for sure. He probably records every single that happens in his life because he's got to, like. You know, it's like Mark Cuban with that microphone on. On his chest.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

How many of you've had it?

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

I have. Sometimes on vacation, I'll drink it recreationally.

[Brian Green]

It's like vacation.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'll drink it recreationally. Is it Jolene?

[Brian Green]

Sometimes on vacation, I decide to go crazy and have Jolene. It's accessible at all venues. Videos. Checking database now.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

Once in a while.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Just like a. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Do you hear that?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Listen again.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Like a. Yeah. It's like.

[Brian Green]

Like a celebration. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

No, really? Yeah. No, I. I just, like, hate anything that messes. Like, I don't. I don't like any kind of chemicals or anything like that.

[Brian Green]

I don't like anything that messes with my mind. So I made Facebook and Instagram and Metaverse and Google glasses.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Oh, really? So you like to keep everything the equilibrium?

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

My sister gives me such a hard time about this. She's like, you're just sitting there raw, dogging reality.

[Brian Green]

Wow. It's kind of true.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Like.

[Chris Hoadley]

What necklace does he have on too? It's an interesting choice.

[Brian Green]

Had it before.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Yeah, but you just don't like it.

[Brian Green]

That's. That's the one that him. Elon Musk.

[Chris Hoadley]

Is it a locket?

[Brian Green]

Jeff Bezos and Donald Trump wear and when they get together, they become the fantastic Fro Bros. It is locket. It's probably a self destruct.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

So when you get up in the morning, that's not your thing? Like, is there something you do?

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

No, no, no. Yeah, I mean, I wake up and I. I fight people.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

No, I mean I. I wake up in the morning and our.

[Brian Green]

This is why we have no traction on Instagram is because of Brian. Brian doesn't stop talking about Mark Zuckerberg. Perk. True. It might be. You never know.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

Hey, I mean, we should, we should get this.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Yeah, we're going.

[Brian Green]

What's up? All right.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Oh, you mean you wake up and do jiu jitsu? You mean.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

Oh, yeah. No, I mean, yeah, so I probably wake up like, I don't know, 7, 7:30. Whenever, like the kids start making noise around the house, it's like, all right, sleep is done.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And.

[Chris Hoadley]

And then like, can you imagine being his kids?

[Brian Green]

I can imagine being his kids. A life of hell and torture and opulence. Yes. Yes. You are never gonna know a normal day in your life. Never. You live on like a thousand acre estate in the most pristine part of Hawaii that your dad essentially just robbed from people. And you're never gonna not fly in a private jet. Your every moment is going to be looked after.

[Chris Hoadley]

Probably have security.

[Brian Green]

Oh, you definitely have security.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

It's like, look at my phone. And I'm just like. All these things that these people are doing. Like you did.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

What?

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

Are you kidding me? It's like I have to go deal with this. It's like, like, it's like this partner.

[Brian Green]

Really?

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

God damn it. All right, so.

[Brian Green]

And then he's trying to make himself seem normal.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But it's just. I just have a hard time connecting. I have a hard time connecting with one of Earth's richest people who at every turn makes a decision to make it worse.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

It's like I compose myself, myself and go fight for two hours, like ReCenter myself. Then it's like, now I can go deal with the stuff.

[Brian Green]

I, I. I literally try and murder somebody for two hours, and then I go, okay, now who else can I murder? I got to give credit to Theo here, who handles this pretty coolly, because I don't know that I would do the same.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

But no, it's.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

So that helps. It's almost like your coffee in the morning sometimes. Sometimes, like, rolling. Like rolling Jiu Jitsu, kind of.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Mark Zuckerberg's partner]

And, I mean, right now I'm doing more striking, so that's really fun. I. I just. I think it's, like the greatest sport. I mean, it's. It's, like, neurologically stimulating. It's, you know, it's good cardio, good strength. Oh, yeah, Yeah. A little bit of a threat, right? So it keeps you on, you know, it's not. Not like, just like, running. I used to, like, run around the neighborhood, but running is not that thrilling.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

Running compared to Jiu jitsu is for. Running is a. Running is not.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that's not the same.

[Mark Zuckerberg]

You can do Jiu Jitsu.

[Brian Green]

No, it is not the same at all. And I get what Mark is saying is, like, when you have the. When. When there's a threat that you could get hurt, get knocked in the head, get, you know, kicked in the balls, whatever it is, then there's this level of fight or flight that keeps your nervous system on high alert.

[Chris Hoadley]

I. I find, like, anybody would actually hurt him, though.

[Brian Green]

I mean, well, they're paid. Okay. So I gotta say, I watched the whole interview, and obviously, we're not gonna go through the whole interview. I watched the whole interview. I think Theo does a good job of handling Mark. I think he's trying to make Mark this. Mark's on this tour to make himself look more personable, and I think that's why he's showing up at places like Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and these other places. This is recent. This is like a week and a half ago. But I do have to say that the more that he talks, the more I have a hard time connecting with the life of Mark Zuckerber. Yeah. The plight of Mark Zuckerberg or empathy for Mark Zuckerberg, I just don't have it. I think Mark has the power and the ability to do a lot of good in this world, and I'm not sure that he thinks any of it should be his responsibility. I think he chooses, actively chooses not to make a decision, and that is making a decision. Right. Okay. All right, so let's move on from that. Theo, the Other day. And this is why I even thought about showing this video that Theo the other day I saw was in Nashville. He's in Nashville. He's at a bar. He's hanging out at that bar. For whatever reason, he's hanging out at the bar. And there's a group of people that are there for a birthday. Like, you know, male and female, 12, 15 people, whatever. They're at this same bar on. On Broadway. Mm, Music Row.

[Chris Hoadley]

No, Music Row is another part of that.

[Brian Green]

Okay. Downtown. Somewhere in downtown. And one of these big bars, you know, multi level, huge places. And Theo's just there. He's just there hanging out. And there's a group there and, you know, they say hello. He says hello back. And then, you know, then some other guy comes over and Theo kind of, hey, whatever, and turns around, goes back to it. And then the guy keeps, you know, comes up with some birthday balloons in his hand.

[Chris Hoadley]

Is this just being filmed?

[Brian Green]

It's being filmed by. By somebody in the group.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh.

[Brian Green]

And I imagine what they're doing is they're trying to get a reaction, a rise or a conversation out of Theo in this bar. And this goes on for just a little bit too long for Theo's liking. And I don't. We don't know what's said because you can't hear. It's from a distance, but Theo turns around and grabs the guy by the throat. Throat. And pushes him back about 10ft. And then Theo takes his hat off. And he's ready to go, right? He is ready to go. And this guy is like, what the fuck? You know, La la la la, yada, yada, yada. I have to say, Chrissy, I am so happy that the chance of that type of interaction ever happening to us is zero to none. Zero to none. No one recognizes us in that man. And I think that when people make a calculation in their head, they. They see a Theo Vaughn at a. At a. At a bar on Broadway or whatever it is. They make a calculation in their head that says, is this guy worth, let's say, going to jail for? But is this interaction going to be worth the social media credit that I'm going to get to make me want to continue this bit? This bothering, this fucking around, this pestering, whatever it is. If you know us, then there is zero chance that you're ever gonna think you're gonna get enough social currency even saying hello to us, let alone bothering us. Chrissy, we are in a safe zone.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

We are not Mark Zuckerberg. We are not the ovon we're likely never to be. We are just two dumb, relatively unknown podcasters who, on occasion, get the credit we so rightfully deserve, which is none.

[Chris Hoadley]

And on occasion, you can pass by the dumpsters of Deliver grocery store. And here someone.

[Brian Green]

I was telling someone yesterday, I said, I literally parked on the side of the Kroger near the dumpsters, and I was walking around the corner, and there was a guy sitting at the, like, you know, company. Company picnic table that's chained to the ground, the smoking section. And there is someone smoking a cigarette. And I hear my fucking voice, and I'm like, what? And as I'm passing by, I see on his phone that he's listening to the commercial break, and I'm like, wow. Do I say anything? No. Because I don't want to have to put anybody in a throat lock like Mark Zuckerberg. I will say this, though. Mark. Mark definitely has security. Didn't look like Theo did, but Mark definitely has security. Oh, God, did you see that? Cryptocurrency CEO. Him and his daughter were walking down the streets in Paris. Paris. And they almost got kidnapped if it wasn't for some good Samaritan they were literally trying to dress. There was, like, 10 guys got out of a van, black hoods, the whole nine yards, like something out of a movie, and tried to drag them into the van. And he's, like, the CEO of, like, a billion dollar crypto business. It was really, really scary, and I'm actually glad they're okay and I guess super proud that some other human being decided to step in when the time came. And the father fought like hell. The D was, like, in her 20s, but he fought like hell not to get in that van. And he held onto his daughter as tight as he could. So geez. Yeah, scary. We don't have to worry about that. I literally walked by the guy while he was listening to the show, and he didn't even say hello.

[Chris Hoadley]

No, no.

[Brian Green]

That's the level of fame we're at. We're at the level of fame that even when you know us, you don't want to say hello.

[Chris Hoadley]

I like that.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I like that, too. I like it. I like that, too.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'll take a rider and a rider and no fan.

[Brian Green]

A writer and no fan. Yeah. I guarantee, we walk into those Odyssey Studios, no one's gonna pay attention to it.

[Chris Hoadley]

It'll be at midnight.

[Brian Green]

No, I'm expecting. I'm expecting no to do when we walk in. None. Zero. Who are you? What are you here for? Oh, you're you have to go up the service elevator?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

All right. The 12 Hours of TCB. The big TCB birthday bash coming up May 31st. Sponsored by Five Hour Energy, booked by CTV, Covert Creative, and our good friends at Odyssey, please join us.

[Paul Petting Putty]

Make this.

[Brian Green]

This worth doing. Please make this worth doing. Make it worth doing, and we might do something else. Cool. It's all up to you. Like I tell my children, the decision is yours. Does this happen again? Decision is yours. Decision is yours. TCB podcast on TikTok at the Commercial break on Instagram. You want your free sticker. You want some swag. You want to keep up with the comings and goings of the commercial break. You want to keep to join our mailing list. We will soon be doing cool stuff with our mailing list.

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Yes. So going back to the mailing list. Going back to the mailing list. Okay. Why not?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Let's go back to the thing that wasn't working in the first place. We're at the point now where we've tried everything. Let's try the things that weren't working again. Yeah, why not? All right. Join the mailing list. Drop us your information, your email, and your physical address at the code contact us button. We'll make sure we get you all the info. And a free sticker. Oh, I never told the story about the free stickers on the coupon site. Oh, I gotta do that.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that was funny.

[Brian Green]

Remind me. Okay. Yeah. 212-4333. TCB. 212-433-3822. Questions, comments, concerns, content, ideas. We take them all and you can call in and be live on the 12 hours of TCB. Just text us and we'll let you know how. Okay, Chrissy. That's all I can do for today?

[Chris Hoadley]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

I'll tell you that I love you.

[Chris Hoadley]

I love you.

[Brian Green]

I'll say best to you and best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, Chrissy and I will say, we do say, and we must say goodbye.

[Rachel]

Sam.