TCB Infomercial: Courtney Michelle (Live From Audacy Studios)

Summary

The Commercial Break — TCB Infomercial: Courtney Michelle (Live From Audacy Studios)

Original Air Date: July 8, 2025
Host(s): Bryan Green & Krissy Hoadley
Guest: Courtney Michelle (Comedian, Actor, Social Media Influencer)

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Episode Overview

This lively improv-comedy episode, part of the TCB Infomercial Tuesday series, features comedian and social media personality Courtney Michelle live in the Audacy studios, a special treat for the hosts and listeners used to the show's typical home setup. The conversation jumps between comedic anecdotes, genuine discussions about careers in comedy, mental health, childhood, performing live vs. online, and the unique social dynamics of digital validation.

The hosts (Bryan and Krissy) dig into Courtney’s journey from small-town West Virginia to Miami, LA, and now Nashville, her relationship with her mother, the pros and cons of developing a following on social media, and the nerves and rewards of performing live shows.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Technology Overload and App Fatigue

[00:00] Courtney Michelle: Opens the episode with a rant about needless technology, describing a milk frother that only works via Bluetooth and the absurdity of needing apps for mundane tasks:

“Please make America mechanical again. That’s my platform… I don’t want to have to use Wi-Fi to brush my freaking teeth. That's absolutely insane.”
Sets the comedic and irreverent tech-skeptical tone for the episode.

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2. Social Media: Validation, Defense Mechanisms, and Growth

[05:58] The hosts quiz Courtney on her social media habits.

• Courtney:
  • Considers social media an unhealthy defense mechanism and a source of validation:

    “It’s a place I go when I need validation or when I need to look at something, look at someone hot. There’s a lot of hot people on social media. It’s like a little pool of fishing for hotties.” [06:11]

  • Transitioned from traditional acting to online comedy during the pandemic:
    • Early viral success came from lip-sync videos (e.g., Nicki Minaj).
    • Credit: “It validated that I could do it before everybody else started doing it.” [09:24]
    • Recalls dismissing early social videos as “actors doing skits,” then embracing the space herself.

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3. The Road Out of Small-Town Childhood

[10:37] Courtney reflects on her background:

• Grew up in poverty, raised by a single mother in West Virginia.
• Always loved entertaining — musical theater, dancing, being the “big ham”/funny friend.
• “No father figure. So like, really slutty. Just like all the clichés.” [11:02] (Courtney’s trademark irreverence.)
• After college, she moved to Miami in search of reinvention—exposed to new worlds but struggled financially, eventually finding a passion for acting.

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4. LA, Nashville, and Pursuing Dreams

[15:04]

• LA described as “transactional” and “hard,” but Courtney misses the “dream-chasing” energy:

  “What I loved about LA is that everybody is chasing a dream. And that is such a contagious energy…” [15:33]

• Nashville: Dreamer energy via the music industry—contagious, charismatic, and currently in a cultural boom.

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5. Making Comedy a Career and Filling the "Hole"

[20:36]

• Bryan and Courtney discuss using comedy and creativity to fill emotional gaps:

  “There is a hole in my soul which I fill with the laughter around me or the laughter that I create… I travel to great lengths… to fill that hole.” — Bryan Green [20:21]

• Courtney acknowledges both the thrill and insecurity that come from being in the spotlight, on social media, and now live shows.
• The need for validation is a recurring comic—but sincere—theme.

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6. From Online to Stage: Creating a Live Show

[22:45]

• Courtney launches a one-woman live show: A collection of comedic sketches, songs, and personal stories centered on “girlhood.” Not a rehash of her social media characters, but new, more personal material.

  “It’s basically a bunch of different sketches that kind of tell one story about girlhood… tackles my relationship with my mom and my relationship with dating and my relationship to girlfriends… in a light, fun, very millennial way. Very nostalgic.” [23:15 & 23:51]

• The challenge: Moving from polished, edited social media to the vulnerability of live performance.
• First shows—nervous rehearsals, euphoric crowd reaction in Nashville; big plans to tour other cities.

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7. Parenthood, Forgiveness, and Expectations

[25:15]

• The conversation takes a deeper turn as Courtney discusses her complicated relationship with her mom (and absent father), learning to see parents as flawed people, not just "Mom" and "Dad":

  “The most important thing that a child can ever do is recognize that the words mother and father are simply words… They are as complicated as you are.” — Bryan (referencing Ram Dass) [27:36] “If I really look at all the resentment or ill feelings that I have towards either of my parents…the large majority … is the expectation of what I think a mother should be… when really I’ve fallen in love with a person that never existed.” — Courtney [28:44]

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8. Performing Live: Anxiety, Feedback, and Community

[31:19]

• Courtney describes the terror and thrill of taking her show live, how crowd response is an “energy thing,” feeding her performance.

  “I couldn’t stop…I was just like, laughing for no reason. It was the most euphoric, crazy feeling having, like, immediately walking off that stage.” [33:18]

• She prepared by doing open mics in standup—describes nearly blacking out from anxiety and relief after the first laugh.
• The group discusses the differences between creating for social media, for the podcast, and for a live audience.

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9. Influences & Early Comedy Memories

[40:21]

• Courtney’s early comedy exposure was mostly TV sitcoms (Reba, King of Queens), not standup or SNL.
• She was more inspired by funny kids and relatives—those who could “ease the tension in a room”—than celebrity comedians.
• Discussion about the nobility of making people laugh, whether through standup, podcasting, or social media.

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10. Navigating Followers and Feedback

[44:44]

• Courtney explains how she manages (and limits) reading comments, recognizing both the validation and emptiness it brings.
• Most of her followers are positive—she has not had to deal with stalkers; she jokes, “I wish I had that. Feel free to start hate campaigns.” [47:12]
• Interesting balance in reactions to her characters: some find them relatable, some hate them; she tweaks ambiguity accordingly.

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11. Parasocial Signaling & Community in the Comedy Scene

[48:06]

• Hosts note that several prominent comedy podcasts and personalities follow Courtney—a “social credit” among comedians.
• This is a source of validation and a reminder of the interconnectedness of the online comedy community.

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12. Photos, Social Anxiety, and Gender Roles

[49:31]

• Discussion about awkwardness in photos, particularly for men.

  “Why do we do that?” — Bryan, re: standard “bro poses” [49:42]

• Courtney points out that expectations for self-presentation are stricter for men; both sexes “have the same insecurities.” [53:29]
• Humor about wishing to “tap into a little bit more of my gay and pop out a hip” in photos. [53:33]

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13. Touring & The Future of the Live Show

[53:55]

• Courtney’s show is headed to Atlanta (City Winery, September), then Chicago, Austin, Louisiana, and perhaps more.

  “Will people even want to… do people see me in a way that they’re like, I want to see what she has to say in person? Or are they like, no, she stays in my little square and she feels safe there.” [55:54]

• She intentionally avoids simply replicating her online bits live—offering something new for in-person audiences.
• Hosts commend this artistic choice as a path for longevity and creative growth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Courtney Michelle [00:00]: “Not everything has to be an app… Bring buttons back. Please make America mechanical again.”
• Bryan Green [20:21]: “There is a hole in my soul which I fill with the laughter around me or the laughter that I create.”
• Courtney Michelle [32:44]: “And I go, alright, this is gonna be awful. I'm gonna embarrass myself in front of everyone that I know… And there were more laughs than I could have... I didn't realize that was a joke. People were crying.”
• Bryan Green [27:36, paraphrasing Ram Dass]: “The most important thing that a child can ever do is recognize the words mother and father are simply words… they are just people.”
• Courtney Michelle [28:44]: “[Resentment is] the expectation of what I think a mother should be… I’ve fallen in love with a person that never existed.”
• Bryan Green [53:33]: “Sometimes I wish I could tap into my… a little bit of my gay and like, pop out a hip…”
• Courtney Michelle [23:51]: “[The live show is] very funny and goofy and light, but it also… tackles my relationship with my mom and my relationship with dating and my relationship to girlfriends… in a very millennial, nostalgic way.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00] Courtney’s Bluetooth milk frother rant (tech overload)
• [06:00] How Courtney uses social media: “unhealthy defense mechanism”
• [10:37] Childhood, small-town life, escaping to Miami, beginnings of entertainment career
• [15:33] Contrasts between LA, Miami, and Nashville for dreamers/creatives
• [20:21] Comedy as emotional validation; “hole in my soul” segment
• [22:45] Developing a live show and transitioning from online to stage
• [25:15] The mother-daughter relationship, forgiveness, parental expectations
• [32:44] Raw reactions to first live show performance, audience energy
• [36:00] Doing stand-up and managing stage fright
• [40:21] Early comedic influences—real-life vs. celebrities
• [44:44] Navigating followers, comments, and validation online
• [48:06] The comedy social media ecosystem (who follows whom)
• [49:31] The anxiety of taking photos; gendered expectations
• [53:55] Live show tour plans and future development
• [57:29] Artistic strategy—expanding beyond internet personas

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Episode Tone & Style

Irreverent, self-aware, relaxed and playful—punctuated with moments of real emotional candor.

• Comedic: Riffs on modern life, technology, dating, and the comedy industry; playful teasing between hosts.
• Vulnerable/Reflective: Deep dives into family dynamics, the psychology of validation, and the inner realities of living on stage and online.
• Relatable: Open discussions of anxiety, striving and failing, insecurities, and the desire (and fear) of being seen.

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In Summary

This episode gracefully blends raw humor and genuine vulnerability, depicting the messy, exhilarating journey of a comedian navigating childhood, social media, and the leap onto the live stage. Courtney Michelle shines as both self-deprecating comic and honest storyteller—a true embodiment of The Commercial Break’s “chaotic, unpolished charm.”

For Listeners:

If you're curious about the realities of comedy off and online, and resonate with the push-and-pull between seeking validation and risking vulnerability, this episode is a must-hear.

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Find Courtney Michelle:

• On social media: @itscourtneymichelle
• On tour: Atlanta (Sept, City Winery), Nashville, Chicago, Austin, Louisiana, and more (dates in show notes)

Notable quote to end:

“I gotta get some cocaine. That’ll be crazy.” — Courtney Michelle [63:00] (final zinger, classic TCB sign-off)

Transcript

[Courtney Michelle]

Hey, guys, real quick. Not everything has to be an app. Not everything has to be an application. What are we doing? I'm freaking out. I'm freaking out. What are we doing? What's happening? Okay. I went to go buy a milk frother. A milk frother. And upon further review, found out it only works via Bluetooth. What? I'm sorry, what? It doesn't even have buttons on it. What are we doing? Okay, bring buttons back. Please make America mechanical again. Okay? That's my platform. All right? I just. I don't understand. Listen, I'm all for advancements in technology to make our lives easier. I don't want to have to use WI fi to brush my freaking teeth. That's absolutely insane. The other day, I went to go buy a ticket at this. At this venue. In order to get my ticket, I have to download an app and create an account, which. You guys know how much I love that. Email me the ticket. That's what email's for. I'm so sorry. It's just. We've gone too far. It's gone too far.

[Brian Green]

On this episode of the commercial break. Oh. Feel a little bit more vain.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. Yeah. I think we're given. I think for men, they're given less rope deal that vanity. And so I think it probably compounds when you're taking a photo and you're like, all right, how do I make this seem like the most casual. I don't give a. I'm just going to do this thing with my hands as opposed to making it look like care by posing.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

I think women get away with it. It's all. We all have the same insecurities.

[Brian Green]

Sometimes I wish I could tap into my. A little bit of my gay and like, pop out a hip. You know what I'm saying?

[Courtney Michelle]

Tap on your gay.

[Brian Green]

Pop out of your hip. Pop out a hip and just get. If I could tap into a little bit more of my gay, then I think I'd be better.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Just practice.

[Courtney Michelle]

If we could all tap into a.

[Brian Green]

Little bit more of our gay, I.

[Courtney Michelle]

Think it would be happier.

[Brian Green]

Listen, the next episode of the commercial break starts. Yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chris.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Best to you, Brian.

[Brian Green]

Best you out there in the podcast universe, I say aliens, because today, Chrissy, we are aliens in a foreign land. Unknown to us. We have been allowed outside of the four walls of my child's bedroom. My Recycled child's bedroom into the Odyssey studios here in downtown Atlanta. This is really cool, actually. I'm really enjoying this. This has been a lot of fun. We're. We have been graciously welcomed by the folks at Odyssey into their studios in a very tall building.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Inner circle.

[Brian Green]

Into the inner circle.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

We made it.

[Brian Green]

We made it. And we've got a bunch of people that are helping us here. Thank you to Slim and Kimberly who have been so nice and all the folks at Odyssey who have been so nice to help us out. But I like Slim. Slim's my new friend. I know I'm going to have to interview him next in my mind. We'll talk to him about that later. Today. It's a TCB infomercial Tuesday live from the Odyssey studios, as we welcome in Courtney Michelle, social media influencer, comedian. Also, she's doing a one woman comedy show now, Chrissy. I think she started it in Nashville and now she's taking it a few other places after a one show successful.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Run and with a couple of friends. But yes, she's the. She's the mother of the show.

[Brian Green]

She is. She's been on social media for a long time, making people laugh. It's Courtney Michelle, I think is. Yep, it's Courtney Michelle is her social media handles. You can also find all that information in the show notes as we always do. I say we don't waste a lot of time here because I'd like to get to as much Courtney Michelle as possible. Plus, I don't know how long we have before they kick us out of the studios. So. Yeah, so we better hurry it on a lot. We better put our foot on the gas pedal. So once again, live from the. I'm just trying to find the liners here because, you know, we're in a different place. So there we go. I found it. Look at me.

[Courtney Michelle]

Good.

[Brian Green]

I'm so good, Chrissy. I'm glad I brought our own equipment because I would be running from one end of the room to the other.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Had we not purchasing cords off of Amazon as quickly as possible.

[Brian Green]

I already did that. I already did that. All right, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to take a quick break and then here with us for the first time ever. Well, at least the first time ever since. Actually, this is the first.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, first time ever with Courtney Michelle and first time ever live in person with any guest.

[Brian Green]

Gustavo. Gustavo. But he's not somebody. He's not somebody. You know, he's my. He's my Brother in law. That's why he's in my. He's allowed in my house. I wanted to bring people to the house, but Estrid said no, no, no. I think she was worried about the paparazzi for us mainly, you know, the paparazzi that chases us around. Oh, God. What would we do with Blue or the kids or the dirty diapers or the dishes or the laundry?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

It's best to keep the mystery alive.

[Brian Green]

We've eased Chrissy into our chaos at our house. But would Courtney Michelle deal with that? Probably not. Nate Bargazi? I don't think so. Dusty Slay, maybe. Dusty Slay. Have you seen him? I mean, come on, let's get it on. Anyway, Courtney Michelle here with us live from the Odyssey Studios in downtown Atlanta, sitting right in front of us. We could probably touch her. I am not allowed to because Astrid's.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Here, but give a little hug.

[Brian Green]

You can touch her. Okay, we'll touch Courtney Michelle after these messages. We'll be back.

[Rachel]

Let me do something Brian has never done.

[Brian Green]

Be brief.

[Rachel]

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[Brian Green]

And Courtney is here with us now. We are live in the Odyssey Studios. Thank you, Courtney, for joining us. Welcome, welcome.

[Courtney Michelle]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Brian Green]

I have a question because Chrissy and I, we need to know, how do you use social media? What is, how do. How do you use social media?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

What is it?

[Brian Green]

What is it?

[Courtney Michelle]

How do you do it unhealthily?

[Brian Green]

Is it an obsession?

[Courtney Michelle]

I think it's. Is it an obsession? I think it's more of a. Of a defense mechanism and interesting. Very unhealthy tactic. I think it's a place that I go when I need validation or when I need to look at something, look at someone hot. There's a lot of hot people on social media. It's like a little pool of fishing for hotties. None of this is good.

[Brian Green]

No, but you're. But you're admitting it. Like you. I think you have a. You seem self aware about the reasons why you use social media. Is this how you started on, like what did it become like? Were you obsessive about it at first and that's kind of how it grew.

[Courtney Michelle]

Or, you know, what's so funny? So I started off acting. Acting was like, my baby still do it. It's still like my. My number one honey. But, um. But. And back in the day, I don't know if you remember this, back in the day, before, like, TikTok, there was. People would do Instagram videos.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Courtney Michelle]

But they were. They were of a certain. They were very specific thing. There was, like, sound effects, and it was very big and it was very broad. And I was like, I will never do that. And there was. It was kind of. If you were an actor, it was kind of looked down upon, like these people who are acting in these little skits, like, ugh, could never be me.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And I don't know when it kind of changed, probably the pandemic, and people were like, I have so much time. I have so much time and energy and bravado and desperation. Where do I put it? So just broke that barrier. But I had always said, like, I'll never do. I'll never do, like. Like social media acting.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

It's literally the thing that pays my bills and just the number one thing that I'm doing now, which is crazy. So, no, I was never obsessed with it, and now I am very interested by it.

[Brian Green]

Is it because you got the feedback? Like, the feedback started happening. Like, you got that gratification, you. The feedback. Now you have an audience. Now people are reacting to what you're doing, that you start to, like, just kind of go down that rabbit hole. You're like, okay, now I gotta. I'm just gonna create. Like, people are reacting to it. This is something that I can do.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

What is like, the first big reel that, like, what is the thing that kind of, like, blew it up for you?

[Courtney Michelle]

You know, I had. I think that it's been. It's been slow growth, which people would argue it hasn't, but for me, it feels like slow growth.

[Brian Green]

When is your. When did you first get on social media? When you first started doing Instagram reels? During the pandemic?

[Courtney Michelle]

No, I started playing with stuff before the pandemic. Like 2019. I got like, a TikTok and started kind of just like, fudging around and then really committed to it. During the pandemic? Yeah. Like most people, it's the most cliche story.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Same with us starting the podcast.

[Courtney Michelle]

There you go. Exactly. So many things burn from this virus. But, yeah, I think. And then what was the question?

[Brian Green]

So you started in 2019, but, like, what's the. What's what kind of catches fire for you?

[Courtney Michelle]

Um, it's so funny. I did a video, so this is always so boring to talk about. Like, I did this one video and I was like, but I did do this dumb video. This was like, before you. Before. This is when TikTok was, like, from musically, right. So it was kind of all, like, lip syncing and very little. It was either dancing, lip syncing, dancing, lip syncing, or like vines. Very small and short and music based. And so I did like a lip sync to some song. Talking, I think, talking about being a whore. I don't remember what the song was. I think it was like a Nicki Minaj song about being a hoe. And I lip synced to it with some sort of text on top, whatever, and got, like, millions of views. This is when it was, like, really easy to go viral because there weren't a lot of people creating people that were already on the platform by default. And so I got a couple million views and I go, this is the most validation I've got from anything ever. Right. I can't imagine. I was like, could I forgive my parents? So it felt amazing. And I look back and I think I honestly. And I had done a few other ones that also went viral within a few months. Right. And I go, if I didn't have that, I don't even know if I would be doing this. Because it really. It validated that I could do it before everybody else started doing it.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Courtney Michelle]

And then once everyone else started doing it, I was like, well, I've. Guys, I've been doing this.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I'm like, yeah, exactly.

[Courtney Michelle]

And so I just kept diving into it, and I think I didn't really catch a stride. I didn't really start making content that felt authentic to me and my sense of humor and what I like to do until probably like, two or three years ago. And then just where did.

[Brian Green]

So what kind of upbringing did you have? Yeah, let's go there. This is a very dramatic podcast.

[Courtney Michelle]

No, no, no, I'm not. I live in Nashville. But I'm from West Virginia originally.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Courtney Michelle]

What kind of childhood did I have growing up? What a fantastic question. Well, as you can see, I'm hilarious. So it was awful.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Do you come from a long line of funny men?

[Courtney Michelle]

We go back and back and back. I grew up poor single mom, just. But, like, loved entertaining people, and I loved, like, musical theater and dancing and all those things. So always A big ham. Only child, always a big ham. No father figure. So like really slutty. Just like all of the cliches. Yeah. And then I went to college in like the same town I grew up in. Was like, I gotta get out of here. Went to Miami and I, I had literally gone to spring break in Miami. I never left West Virginia, really, besides going like the beach or once or twice. And I was like, I want to live somewhere else. And I'd gone to spring break in Miami. And I go, that's a place to live.

[Brian Green]

That's it. I know that place.

[Courtney Michelle]

I know that place.

[Brian Green]

That's the place I know. Second best.

[Courtney Michelle]

Exactly. But truly, truly, at that point. So I moved to Miami and. Which was a total shock.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Wow. From West Virginia to Miami. That is completely different.

[Courtney Michelle]

It's completely different.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

It was good for you though, to have the, the courage to do it.

[Courtney Michelle]

I think it was stupidity. I don't know that I was courageous at all.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I think youth brings bravado. It's like, it's a great adventure at, at my age, at least a great adventure is like, you know, going to bed after 11:30 at night now, because I know that there are ramifications, but when you're young, there's a great sense of like, oh my gosh, there's freedom and adventure and I can go down there and start a new life for myself. You get to a certain age and you realize it's never that easy. Right. It's never that easy.

[Courtney Michelle]

And it's never that thing. It's never that.

[Brian Green]

And I, I had never Scratches the itch.

[Courtney Michelle]

No.

[Brian Green]

And never.

[Courtney Michelle]

I'm always so itchy. I, I had just.

[Brian Green]

Me too.

[Courtney Michelle]

So itchy. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

So itchy.

[Courtney Michelle]

I had just like gotten dumped by my first real boyfriend in college. And I think that was like, I, I romanticized leaving this town.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right.

[Courtney Michelle]

Which is so crazy because you also went to Florida. But I was like, I'm gonna like leave and go to Miami. Yes. And just like be a brand new person, like rediscover myself or whatever. And I mean, it was definitely a self discovery because I threw myself into a city that I had no business being in. At 22, I was the poorest person in that city. I was driving like a 1998 Saab. I mean, it was crazy. I pulled to valets and they'd be like, you can't be serious. We actually can't.

[Brian Green]

You can make $200,000 a year and be the poorest person in Miami. I mean, honestly, there are parts of Miami that are just dripping in wealth and international wealth. Not like.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, Exactly.

[Brian Green]

Not like U.S. wealth. Like, my daddy owns a siding company. It kind of wealth. It's like, you know, Saudi Arabian prince kind of. Or Venezuelan oligarch kind of.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yes. Incomprehensible wealth in Miami and like showing it on your hands. I mean, it was crazy. But anyways, I, I moved down there. Again, super poor. I was working. I did marketing for a commercial real estate firm. I just, I started doing bottle surfs on the weekends. I literally couldn't pay my rent.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

What do you have to do?

[Courtney Michelle]

And I had met a guy who did background work for like, film and tv.

[Brian Green]

Oh, interesting.

[Courtney Michelle]

I didn't know that was a thing. I thought that those were just like people that were. That were there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And he gave me his like, agent's information for this thing and I started acting. And I, I think, thank God, because, like, I don't know what path I was going down in Miami. It was not a great one.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right.

[Courtney Michelle]

But I was like, oh, I think I love this thing. This reminds me of like, like the, the musical theater and the, the dancing and the. And the bands that I started with my friends growing up, but as an industry.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And that's really cool. I feel the same way. But we're at a job, which is wild. And I fell in love with just the entertainment industry. And then I, I moved to LA and did L A for six years and then went to Nashville during the pandemic. And that's kind of when like the social media part of it kicked in.

[Brian Green]

You were acting in L. A?

[Courtney Michelle]

I was acting in L A. Correct.

[Brian Green]

Did you get it? Like, can you tell if there any specific things that we could find you in?

[Courtney Michelle]

Absolutely not.

[Brian Green]

No. Really? You were just like a background actor. I mean, L A is such a fudgeing hard time at the town. It's. I've only spent time there briefly. Right. But it feels very transactional to me in so many ways. Like Miami, but in a different way. Right. And I think it's very. It's a very hard town to be in if you're a creator. I, I don't know, but I have people I know that people that live there. And you can either make it or most people break it. Right. It's just very difficult town to be in.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

It is.

[Courtney Michelle]

I love la. I, I miss it all the time. I think what I loved about LA is that everybody is chasing a dream. And that is such a contagious energy. I think inherently in that dynamic, there will be people who are so desperate for their dream that they aren't able to make authentic relationships. They aren't able to, like, have a conversation with you that doesn't involve that. It takes up all of their.

[Brian Green]

Their brain power.

[Courtney Michelle]

Their brain power. And where Miami was about money and wealth and power, LA was similar, but it was more about how can you make my dreams come true.

[Brian Green]

It was aspirational and transactional at the same time.

[Courtney Michelle]

It was a two for one.

[Brian Green]

It was a two for one. It's like one big networking meeting. I feel like in la, when I've spent time there, like with people who live there. Right. It feels like one big networking meeting. It's always an opportunity to do the next thing.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, in Nashville, it can actually be the same way too, for the music industry. I lived in Nashville for five years and not for music, but I saw a lot of that same type of thing with the LA and acting. Nashville was for music.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. I think that's why I like Nashville. I'm like, okay, being there. Yeah. Because again, I do kind of miss. While it's annoying to go to a party, every party in la, you start off by being introduced as to what you have to offer. It's always like, this is Cassie. And she. She was just.

[Brian Green]

She's a line producer on the Newest Greatest ABC Fluff.

[Courtney Michelle]

Or she's blah, blah, blah, blah's daughter. She's blah blah, blah blah's agent. Or she knows blah blah blah's agent. So it's always like, that's how you're introduced, which is crazy. And I hate it. And I shouldn't say every. Just like it happens so much becomes a shift in itself. But I just do love that everybody is. There's so much passion that it kind of. Again, it's contagious. And there's so much charisma in a place.

[Brian Green]

It's infectious.

[Courtney Michelle]

It is kind of infectious. And I feel like the. My ability to, like, banter with people, my ability to just, like, talk about a little bit more deeper things did tend to happen in LA because people were in the arts. But what I do love also about Nashville is because of the music. It is also a dreamer city.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Oh, very much.

[Courtney Michelle]

There is that energy. And while it's not my dream. Yeah. It's still a contagious energy as well. So I've found. I found. And there's like a huge entertainment industry coming to Nashville. I shouldn't say huge. There's like, bigger than you would. Than you would think.

[Brian Green]

It's having a Moment. Having a moment. And it has been for, like, the last 10 years, but it feels like it's. Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, the show Nashville was pretty big and bringing a lot of that to that town.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. To me, at least on an outsider looking in, it feels like it's reached a fevered pitch around Nashville. Everybody has a bar. Yeah. Jack Wyatt, Kid Rock. Everybody's got something going on in Nashville, which up until 10 years ago was a relatively small town, like a tertiary city that people knew about because there's always been music, country music there, but now it's very cosmopolitan. It's a cosmopolitan in weird way. Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yes, yes. Which I appreciate for the good.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Exactly.

[Courtney Michelle]

And I appreciate for the cool scene.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

It's got a lot going on.

[Courtney Michelle]

Not the traffic. But besides that, it's been lovely.

[Brian Green]

You have a Kid Rock that. You have a Kid Rock restaurant there.

[Courtney Michelle]

We have a Kid Rock restaurant.

[Brian Green]

How lucky are you?

[Courtney Michelle]

I would say other things make me laugh at that. It is funny how not incestuous, maybe, like, insular it becomes. Because I was talking to my friend, I did like, a. A commercial with this, like, country music artist, and I was talking to my friend yesterday here about it, and he was like, who is that? Oh, that's right. Like, people outside of Nashville don't maybe know country music the way that I do because I've lived there for five years.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right, right.

[Courtney Michelle]

And it becomes kind of your. It's the industry. So it kind of becomes. You put these people on pedestals just by proxy, which is so fascinating.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it really is. So in the three minutes that I've known you, I've already dissected your entire life.

[Courtney Michelle]

Tell me, Fix me.

[Brian Green]

I get the sense that single mother, no father figure around you found some solace and probably some validation and some gratification in being kind of the center of attention in a creative way. And that just came to you easily. Like, is that true? Is like, you know, I liked being the ham and hamming it up and having that kind. Being able to create and have people pay attention to it, getting some feedback around. That felt good to you for me, too. Right? Yeah, for me, too. So this is. I'm speaking one to another. There is a hole in my soul which I fill with the laughter around me or the laughter that I create or the things that I create. I find great comfort in that. And I think it's a gift and a curse at the same time sometimes. And I travel to great lengths in my head and outside my head to fill that Hole in a lot of ways, but not everybody is funny at the same time. And you're funny. Like, a lot of people are that way, but they're just not funny. They just seem. They come off corny and kind of weird, like they're pining for your attention. Right. Needy, almost. But you're not that way. You have a thing. You've got a thing, and people resonate with that. Doesn't that feel good to you?

[Courtney Michelle]

Like, it feels fucking amazing.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And you're making money.

[Brian Green]

You're making money.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

You're making money from it.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, it feels incredible. Yeah, it feels. It feels good when I let it feel good, you know, it feels good when I'm not comparing it to what someone else has or should have or whatever. Right. Like, I could say that that's when it gets murky. But. But yes, to answer your question, yes, I was looking well, and it's all the things, you know, not to get into my memoir yet.

[Brian Green]

You're doing it right here on the commercial break. We're breaking news.

[Courtney Michelle]

Memoir scoop. Yeah, but I. I think, yeah, it was again, dad wasn't around, and then mom was, like, always, like, looking for love, so she was always, like, dating new guys and blah, blah, blah. And she was a great mom. She crushed it. But I think I was just, like, always looking for attention. So we have that built in. I was kind of like the weird friend, I think, by default, because I didn't have. We didn't have a lot of money in a town that had a lot of money. So I felt kind of like I was wearing weird clothes and I didn't have, like, the things that other kids had. So geared by default, I had a lot. My friends were all very hot, too, and I, like, took a little bit. So all of those things kind of.

[Brian Green]

You grew into it.

[Courtney Michelle]

I grew into all of the things, but I think. I think all that kind of equated into me trying to find something else besides looking cool, being cute, having the right cheerleading moves or whatever. And it was entertaining. So I would be, like, the goofy. The funny friend who was like. When I was little, it was like, you know, shticks. It was like, falling or, like, playing dumb or. I mean, it was early 2000s, so I was like, right, I'll be the dumb blonde. The hit thing back then. And then, I think as I got older, it migrated into comedy that I'm more familiar with now, which was, like, jokes and, like, telling stories and, like, the idea of being with a bunch of people and holding court. About a story that I. That I went through, and that really started feeling very fulfilling. And then I was able to, you know, transition it into, like, some semblance of a career.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, because now you're. You've taken that kind of on the road, too, right? By doing some shows.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, yeah, we're doing live shows. Yeah, we're doing a live show, which is. I still, like, struggle to even define what it is.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. What? Explain. Because I couldn't find much. Right. There was some. You had some reels and stuff like that, but I couldn't find much. But explain what.

[Courtney Michelle]

What.

[Brian Green]

How do you transition from funny person being able. On the Internet, multiple takes, edits, cuts, and all that stuff, to then doing it live? That's a brave thing to do.

[Courtney Michelle]

Again, probably stupid more than anything. I don't know. Again, I don't feel bad. I feel like I'm just, like, falling and flailing. But I think this show, which, again, we've done a great job marketing it, since no one knows what it is, I guess, but it's a live show. It's basically a bunch of different sketches that kind of tell one story about girlhood. Okay. And what I wanted to do was I feel like a lot of the videos that I do online are geared towards all people, but specifically, like, I kind of make videos for, like, what I would want to see.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Courtney Michelle]

And so what me, as a woman of a certain age, would want to see and what she relates to, and whether it's, like, people that annoy you, whether it's, like, situations that are embarrassing or whatever. But it's almost like kind of me being a woman and what that looks like, that I was like, how do I do that about a trajectory? Like, how can I talk about myself more in a different vehicle and make people even more obsessed with me and be even more narcissistic? Let's try it. Let's try doing it live. And fuck it, we'll do it live. Fuck it, we're doing it live. And that's what we did. So we did. I've been writing it for. I started writing it, like, last spring with my friend Ali and kind of, like, using him as a backboard, like, constantly, like, is this funny? Is this relatable? Is this stupid? And then wrote this show about girlhood, and it's. Again, it's a bunch of different sketches, and there's, like, music in it and there's, like, videos in it, but it's not really any characters that I do online. It's all different stuff. Yeah, but, like, it. It's very funny and goofy and light, but it also, like, tackles my relationship with my mom and my relationship with, like, dating and my relationship to, like, girlfriends and all that stuff in a very light, fun. Right. Millen. Very millennial way. Very, like, nostalgic.

[Brian Green]

Is your relationship. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put a pin there, and I'll ask you another question about doing stuff live. Is your relationship with your mother complicated? I mean, all relationships. That's, like, a stupid question, right? Yeah. But is it, like, are you guys good friends?

[Courtney Michelle]

It's so funny. She just came and stayed with me for three weeks, so. Three weeks. I am fresh off of that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. She's, I think, growing up. You know, my mom didn't have a great mother figure growing up either.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

So she was kind of figuring out as she went. Most people are.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, exactly. There's no rule.

[Brian Green]

There's no rule book. Mother. Motherhood. Parenting is. There's no rule book. You're literally feeling it out minute by minute.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. And. And. And, you know, she definitely did the best she could, and she had some great moments in there, some rock star moments, and I put her through it some moments as well. So always give her kudos for that. And I think now getting older, I feel like we go through these, like, phases with our parents.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Courtney Michelle]

They're like, you know, your mother, and then you start seeing flaws, and you start resenting them, and you start blaming them for everything. And now I'm in this phase of seeing her as a person, and you relate.

[Brian Green]

One of the. One of the most wise things that I ever read. I had a complicated relationship with both of my parents, and my mother was mentally ill. My father was emotionally unavailable, like a lot of fathers of. Of people my age were, because they just grew up with World War II fathers or Vietnam or Korean War fathers who were a different breed. Yeah, different. There was no ptsd. They just stoically, silently, and sometimes violently took it. Right. And then they taught. They sent that on to their children. And so there's this softening of parenting going on as you. As, I think as you go through time in some cultures.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But one of the wisest things that I read as I was trying to reconcile with my own childhood was a guy named Ram Dass who wrote that the most important thing that a child can ever do is recognize that the words mother and father are simply words. They are. There's no meaning behind that. Their words, they are human. They are flawed. They are violent and ugly and loving. And they are as complicated as you are. They are not here to save you. They are not here to be you. They are not here to tell you what to do. They are just people.

[Courtney Michelle]

You.

[Brian Green]

You were born to them, and hopefully they will give you some good guidance along the way. But not everybody gets that. And so that was like a very powerful moment when I let go of the word mom and dad, because then I could look at them for who they were. Loving people who did the best they could in the circumstances that they had. And the information that they had in that moment, which could have just been shitty information, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not all, you know, we all work human. We know it's kind of like a complicated thing. So when you say that, I recognize that. I hear what you're saying. That's. Yeah, that's a powerful thing to do. Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

I think because I'm single and. And I've been, I. I think a lot on, like, dating and how I've. I've come to the conclusion for a while now that I tend to, like, fall for the idea of someone. Right. Like. And it's these expectations that get built up and then let down. And it's like I'm doing all of it right. Like, there's some. There's shitty people, and I've been in shitty relationships or I've met shitty people. But. But a lot of it is the onus falls on me of building up an expectation for something that doesn't even exist or a person that doesn't exist. And I think.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

And that can't read your mind, and.

[Courtney Michelle]

They can't read your mind. You have to communicate. As gross as. It feels so difficult, it sucks. But I think it's the same thing with. I think the strife that I feel towards my parents comes from the same beast. I think if I really look at all of the resentment or ill feelings that I have towards either of my parents, the large majority I could sit here and I can name, well, she did this and he did this, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think ultimately it's the expectation of what I think a mother should be, an expectation of what I think a father should be, and how they've let me down when really I've fallen in love with a person that never existed. And I think that has been a huge thing for me. As I've gotten older, I'm like, in my 30s. I shouldn't need. I shouldn't need my mother and father to. To Love. To, like, show their love for me or to, like, take care of me or to. To. To validate me in any way. And one side of that is there. I think there always is a tether. Yes. Mother and father is. They're just words.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

But there also is, like, a weird tether that you're inner child, no matter.

[Brian Green]

What, always looking for mom and dad.

[Courtney Michelle]

It will always be there. I think recognizing that that's maybe where something is coming from. And then is this a reasonable expectation of a person whose story, you know.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And who was actually like, I had to forgive. We're getting so deep.

[Brian Green]

This is so deep. This is crazy.

[Courtney Michelle]

But I had to, like, forgive my father a long time ago after learning about his childhood. And I was like, homeboy is incapable of loving me in the way that some people are. And I'm like, okay, we got to let him go.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And that's huge.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You know, expectations. We sow the seed of our own disappointment with expectations. Right. That's just it. But it's really hard not to do that. And also, when it comes to our mother and father, we can let the words go. But the inner child always still needs mommy and Daddy, and I think will till the day that we die. We always need mommy and daddy. It's just the way that it is. And we look for that in the people and the things around us, and we look for that in the validation on social media or with your spouse or with your loved one or whoever it is. Okay. Let's lighten it up for a little bit.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, okay. Sure.

[Brian Green]

We'll go back and forth. We'll oscillate in the comments.

[Courtney Michelle]

You don't wanna do more trauma?

[Brian Green]

Oh, we're gonna do more trauma. I'm keeping you here for three hours. Yeah. This is a thera therapy session that your mom ordered. It's not a podcast.

[Courtney Michelle]

Great. I honestly wouldn't put a pastor.

[Brian Green]

Is it? Do you find that doing live shows are more or less interesting to you than doing, creating on.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

How many have you done so far?

[Brian Green]

How many.

[Courtney Michelle]

How many are in the bag for this show that. That we're touring with? One.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Courtney Michelle]

Done one show in Nashville at Zany's.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I saw that.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. When it sold out.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, I saw that it was sold out too. That's great.

[Courtney Michelle]

I mean, a lot of it was just, like, friends and.

[Brian Green]

The promoter doesn't care.

[Courtney Michelle]

Exactly. But, yes, we did one show just to kind of try it out. And we're like, if this goes well, then maybe we'll see What?

[Brian Green]

Take it on the road.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. And I. I will answer your question, but I will also say that I left that show because, again, it's. This became my baby.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. Like, not only is it something that I wrote from scratch, that I, like, brought these lovely. Like, some of my favorite human beings are also involved in this. It's a. It's me and two other people who kind of, like, play characters around me.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Then we have, like, an incredible piano player. And I, like, brought these people into this, like, thing to sort of like. Like, milk what I know they can give. And it just. It just felt like I just was. It was so precious to me.

[Brian Green]

Interesting.

[Courtney Michelle]

And we did the show. Well, first, I'll say we did a rehearsal of the show for a few people, and it was okay, but there was, like, very little laughing. And then we were hurt. We did a tech rehearsal, like, right before the show, and I was kind of, like, watching the people out in the audience to see if I could get any. No. Not even. Not even a huff of air off the nose.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Oh, no.

[Courtney Michelle]

And I go, all right, this is gonna. This is gonna be awful.

[Brian Green]

This is gonna be terrible.

[Courtney Michelle]

I'm gonna embarrass myself in front of everyone that I know. And so then we. We did the show, and there were more laughs than I could have. They were laughing at jokes that I was like. I didn't realize that was a joke, but. And the. Just, like, the voice. Applause when people were crying. People had such great compliments about it. I think it just. It's a. An energy thing. I think you just need a lot of people.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Like, you need the energy of the crowd around you in order to feel safe.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Feeling and laughing. So I left that show. I remember walking off stage, like, feeling that I've never felt before, which is because, again, I've done stage stuff, but this is my baby. So it felt very vulnerable, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna either throw up or cry or potentially shit my pants. Like, there's a lot of stuff happening in my stomach, and I. But I couldn't stop. Like, I was just, like, laughing for no reason. It was the most euphoric, crazy feeling having, like, immediately walking off that stage that I was like, oh, fuck. Like, this.

[Brian Green]

This is the thing.

[Courtney Michelle]

I think this is. I think this is the thing that I'm gonna end up doing a lot of. And so.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And so the. The. The second we had a chance to. To tour with it, I was like, wow, this is. We have to.

[Brian Green]

We have said this A lot. I've. I. I've been saying this probably since we started podcasting, is that podcasting is kind of a lonely venture in some ways. I mean, I'm lucky to have Chrissy in the room with me. Right. If she. If she wasn't there, I don't know. I mean, I'd just be talking to myself, and that's probably. No one wants to hear that. My, My wife made me start the podcast, so I stopped talking to her. But it's a lonely venture because there's no instant feedback. There's, like, no reaction. If people react, it's like, I'll record, and then three days later when it publishes, somebody might text us or email us, oh, great show, or whatever. There's no instant feedback. And while that feedback is great, it's not instant. There's no reaction besides what's going on in the room.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

So, you know, we've had people come to us and, oh, do the show, do it live. And we actually had plans to do a live show, and then I got sick and I had to have surgery. But that beside the point. Like, my greatest fear was what you said about the first two versions of that is that we're going to get up and we're going to do this show and all the places where we think there's going to be laughs, it's literally going to be dead silence, and it's just going to be an embarrassment of our creation. And I don't know if I want to hear my baby get shit on. Right. Because this is my baby. I think it would probably be more the latter is that we'd get the laughs or we expect the laughs, and then at the end of the night, we'd feel really good about that. But it takes an immense amount of huge testicles to get up when you're normally putting a phone in front of you by yourself, and then to create something whole cloth that. And you're not a standup comedian. You've never done this before. You're not used to working a room and doing all that. And then to get up and do that, that's. That takes into a lot of cones. And so I applaud you for that. Just. Just the fact that you got on stage in front of a crowd, even if they were your home team. Right. Just the fact that you got up there.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

It says a lot about your willingness to.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Your belief in your creation probably helped too, you know, with some of that.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. I think having, like, again, it's been a while since I'VE done stage stuff, but it's always kind of like lingered there. And I did again, when I was a kid and I. To prepare for the show, I actually did a bunch of standup. I really enjoy. I've done. I've.

[Brian Green]

You went to open mics and did stand up?

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, I did a few open mic shows and a few show shows. Like, just like tiny little shows. Yeah. To really prep for it. And I love stand up. I think the difference with standup is it's so expect. It's like it's really hard for me to overcome that expectation of, okay, if. If you don't laugh, there's no other reason for you to be here.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Right. At least I feel like with our live show, it's more acting. So there's like a performance, there's like a takeaway, there's a story to tell. And I feel like for a podcast, laughing isn't the only expectation of it. I think it's also just like getting to know someone or like feeling related to or whatever it may be. I think, first of all, I think you should do. I think you guys will crush it.

[Brian Green]

Well, thank you very much. We will do it. We're. We're going to. We're going to get back to it.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

We're going to get.

[Brian Green]

We're going to get back to it.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. It's. But taking what you do here. Improv, Right.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Which is. I mean, I imagine when you do social media, I don't know what your process is, but I imagine I have a seed of an idea. I find observationally, I find something funny.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And then you have a format. Right. I've watched a lot of your reels and you have kind of a format.

[Courtney Michelle]

Right.

[Brian Green]

I am. My name is Courtney and this is. I'm. This is my impression of. Right. Or whatever it happens.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

We don't have a format necessarily. We just get on here and start spitting shit and hoping that it's funny. And sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. But taking that and putting that into something like malleable like that has a. Like, thematically makes sense. Was really difficult.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And we did figure it out. We eventually figured out something, but we'll get. We'll get back to it. Still nerve wracking to get up on stage. When you were doing stand up, did you like it?

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, I mean, I blacked out every time. It was so.

[Brian Green]

It was so, so nerve wracking.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. I have really bad performance. Performance anxiety. So it. That whole part of it was I still, like. I had a show two weeks ago.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And just getting up, it was like. There was like 20 people there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Because I was opener for. So they have no. People are like trickling in very slowly.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

But still I was like, oh, my.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

God, I can only imagine.

[Courtney Michelle]

And then, I don't know, I think you go into, like, autopilot or something. The first laugh, the first joke that hits or the first thing that hits, whatever it may be, really carries you.

[Brian Green]

It's nourishment.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And I feel really bad for people who, like, it takes them a second to get to that first joke because you're just kind of like floundering.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right.

[Courtney Michelle]

And I'm sure it happens all the time with stand up or comedians in general.

[Brian Green]

My wife and I once saw Pete Davidson at like the. He was breaking in new material. So he's in a club probably a little bit bigger than this. And I'm not shitting you, it's tiny. And he's got three comedians that come on in front. Right. And I don't know any of them, but the first guy who comes on the crowd is just not with him. They, like, from. There's a lot of chatter going on in the room and everyone's trying to. He's trying to settle everybody down a little bit. But it was the 15 minutes of the most unimpressive comedy I've ever seen. He just started insulting people after a while and that kind of got some, like. He went to insult. Right. And some people laughed about it, but honestly, there were very few laughs. And I felt terrible for the guy because I was like, you're not very funny. You're not being very funny. But still, it's gotta be terrible to be up on stage and no one's fucking laughing at you. And this is your job. Your only job is to make people laugh. And you haven't gotten one. It's gotta feel awful. Conversely, when you're hot and you get the crowd growing, that's gotta feel amazing. That's gotta be something that really just. And it puts fuel in your tank.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. I'm very lucky. I haven't done it enough to ever. I haven't bombed yet. Yeah. Hopefully none of these live shows will, but you never know. They could.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Part of the experience. Part of the experience, yeah.

[Brian Green]

You're not gonna learn unless you bomb. Right.

[Courtney Michelle]

It really is so. But yeah, I can't. I mean, I can't even imagine, like, getting up there and not. I'm such a people pleaser again that I'd Be like, oh, my God. I'm not giving you what you want. On top of, like, me feeling like shit. I'm not giving you what you want. You feel like shit. I'm so sorry. Oh, do you.

[Brian Green]

What? Do you remember being funny as a kid? Like, what's the first thing you remember being funny as a kid? Television show. Movie. Weird. Ali Yankovic. I don't know. I like to ask this of people.

[Courtney Michelle]

That's a great question. I hate. That's a great question too, but that is a great question.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

And sometimes it's hard to think of.

[Brian Green]

Like, yeah, the, like, uncle making a joke. I mean, I don't know. Like, you know, I'd like to find out what. What gets. What do people remember lighting that fire for comedy. Right. Oh, my God, that's funny. I wish I could do that.

[Courtney Michelle]

You know, it's funny. Someone. I had an interview last week and they asked me, like, who am I? Like, early comedy mentors. I was like. I mean, I didn't, like, we didn't watch Stand up in my house. I didn't really know what stand up was until I got older.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

We didn't watch snl. We didn't, like, we would watch, like, ABC sitcoms.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

My mom loved Reba, you know, or like. Right. Those. Those kind of shows are King of the Hill. The other one.

[Brian Green]

King of the. King of Queens.

[Courtney Michelle]

King of Queens. Yeah. Like those shows that we watched, like, during dinner or whatever. And that was our. That was our comedy.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Courtney Michelle]

And I think as I got older, even actually when I was. When I was young, I think I was really drawn to the. The person in the room who was commanding the room and had control over the people of the room. With comedy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Like, their ability to, like, the ease. Mainly ease the tension.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Courtney Michelle]

In the room. Like, it just felt like such a superpower. Yeah. To be able to have the right timing to make. To make someone laugh at a funeral or to, you know, when we're all sitting around eating dinner just to like, add that reprieve for a moment. Especially if something's heavy or whatever.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

It helps those people in my life growing up. And sometimes it was like kids in school, like, even like kids my own age who were just really funny. I can, like, think of a few in my head of just like some boys and girls who were just like. They had that cadence and they made me feel good and I was like, that's what I want.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

So it was more real people in my life that I could viscerally feel that feeling from them than like, you.

[Brian Green]

Know, any kind of like George Carlin. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

It was more. It was more what I was experiencing than what I was seeing. And then as I got older, I started really appreciating more comedy. And I'm just now like learning about older comedians and appreciating older comedians and trying to like, watch more stand up because it wasn't a part of my experience for a while.

[Brian Green]

We watched a lot of snl. My dad was a big fan of SNL and he was remarkably into MTV when it came out. So there was like, you know, occasionally there would be like a comedian who would be on MTV as a guest VJ or whatever, and you would see them do a couple minutes of material. And I remember getting into standup comedy and you were probably too young for this, but we remember when Comedy Central first came on, it was clips of stand up comedians doing a bit. So like two or three minutes, like set up, punchline, set up punchline. Like a. Like MTV used to play videos back to back to back. No commercials. Stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up. For days on end. No commercials. Just like that was it. They were just putting stand ups, stand up comedians, not doing full shows, doing just one joke and they would just run it and they would put their name at the bottom with the name, like the name of the joke. Like, you know, whoever Kevin Nealon talks about, a cat or whatever it was. And I remember looking at that thinking that that's a very. I'm laughing at this and it's in my daddy's too. It's a very noble thing that they're doing. They're getting up there and making a whole bunch of people laugh. Yeah, it's the first time I remember thinking that comedy, standup comedy specifically was a noble profession. They were, they were giving a gift to people. Like, you know, even at my young age, I remember thinking, wow, those, you know, you're taking a break there, you're getting a. You're getting relief from whatever it is that's going on in your life. So I think it's very noble. And now I think social media is just another way to convey this kind of nobility, this gift. And a lot of people do it poorly. I think you're doing it very well. A lot of people do it poorly.

[Courtney Michelle]

I mean, sometimes I do it poorly too.

[Brian Green]

Well, I mean, yeah, but you put out so much content, you know, there's going to be a few stinkers.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, we're the same.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Every show is like no.

[Brian Green]

900? Yeah. Nine of the shows, I think, are probably listenable. Out of the 900, we're 1%.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, that's a great ratio.

[Brian Green]

Do you have trouble with any followers on social media when you have this big of a follower?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That's a good question.

[Courtney Michelle]

Do I have trouble with followers?

[Brian Green]

Do you have any trouble with followers that you want to discuss? People just being like, stalkers, weirdos, people being mean? I'm not sure there are people being mean. I'm sure you have people that come out of the woodwork and just say stupid. I can imagine. His name is Bob.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Do you read the comments?

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, I kind of. It kind of depends on where I'm at.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

I tried not to do my DMs, because every time I do, I'm doing it for validation, and then it feels empty. So I'm like, let's just not do it unless I'm asking for feedback on something.

[Brian Green]

Sure, yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. Like, when we were, like, pitching the shows, I was like, where should we go? I will read those dms or, um. If I'm talking about something that's really important to me that I'm going through. Like, I went off birth control and I post a lot about that just to kind of see what other people are doing for these symptoms or whatever. Um, but besides that, I. I try to. To see, like, within the first, like, hour or two of posting, I can kind of tell from the comments whether or not something is hitting. Relatable.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Or whether some people are just like, oh, it's a fine video. Like, they're just like, oh, this is funny because it's. Because it's supposed to be funny.

[Brian Green]

It's funny because it's supposed to be funny and because you put it up there. Because I like you.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And then. But I can, like, there's, like, people will, like, quote certain things or I'll take note of. Of what they're relating to and where they're at. Like, sometimes a lot of the characters that I do quote, unquote, I'm using air quotes. A lot of the characters that I do are like, you can either be. They can be perceived as. You can either relate to them or you can hate them.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Courtney Michelle]

And it's. I'm. I always find it so curious how many people like the ratio of people who hate this person versus the ratio people who are this person or who feel like this is a very relatable thing versus, like, they hate when this thing happens.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah. And I think that's just, like, a Fascinating human psyche. It is.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And moving forward, I try to make it even more ambiguous because the more people. Because if I make it seem like it's more relatable than the people who hate the person aren't gonna get anything from it. Sure, whatever. So I don't really have issues with followers. I don't think I'm like. I don't think. I'm like, fine was enough. I like. You see, like, famous people get it all the time. I'm like, I wish I had that. I know. I'm like, feel free to, like, start hate campaigns.

[Brian Green]

I wish I had one stalker. Because if I had one stalker, just.

[Courtney Michelle]

One, then just one guy at my.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That would be your validation.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Courtney Michelle]

Really solidified.

[Brian Green]

We have weird people that are contacting us, but I go, does this qualify as, like, fame, or does this just qualify as, like a couple of the girls that I dated in high school? You know what I'm saying?

[Courtney Michelle]

It's just math at that point. But there's going to be at least a few.

[Brian Green]

It doesn't matter. I could be anybody and they would be that crazy, right? Are they crazy about Brian and Chrissy or they just crazy in general? I'm waiting for that TCB stalker. That's what I want.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, there you go. Yeah, there you go.

[Brian Green]

But here's what's interesting, is that, you know, you. We get pitched a lot of people, hey, come on, you know, come on the show. Come on the show. Come on the show. One of the things that we do that Astrid often will do is you go to someone's social media and you see who follows them. Like, who are who of our guests or the people that we enjoy. Follow them. And you have a lot of people.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, really?

[Brian Green]

People that follow you? Yes, that's correct.

[Courtney Michelle]

Who? Name them.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. Astrid, who are they? Hannah.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, we love Hannah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, we love Hannah.

[Brian Green]

Hannah was one of our first interviews.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, really?

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I think she would never agree to do it a second time. But she was great. She was great.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Her husband.

[Brian Green]

Her husband, too. Dez. Yeah. Has been on our show a couple times, too. Gian Marco Sourci, I think, follows you, too. If I'm not mistaken. Heather McMahon maybe fathers you.

[Courtney Michelle]

She goes, no, no, no, no, no.

[Brian Green]

Oh, I'm sorry. You can talk.

[Courtney Michelle]

Feel free.

[Brian Green]

Go ahead.

[Courtney Michelle]

I'll repeat what you're saying. If what you're saying makes me look good, I'll repeat it. Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I noticed the same thing with quite a lot of my friends.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. So there you go.

[Courtney Michelle]

That's so nice.

[Brian Green]

Well, I think it's a compliment. And then you say, well, this person is interesting to the people that we know and the people we've had on the show. So they're interesting to us. Right. They must be interesting to us. And they weren't wrong, by the way.

[Courtney Michelle]

That's. I gotta watch who I follow. Then I guess it is funny, like, how that becomes a little bit of a. Like a stamp of approval too. Like this person.

[Brian Green]

Yes. We don't have a ton of followers, but the followers. But some of the people that follow us I think feel. Feel good to me. Like the people who come on our show and we like and we have a good time with, they say they, they. It's like a, It's. I don't want to say it is some sort of validation, but then it's also like a little bit of social credit. Like, hey, I liked you. I'm going to follow you and see what you're up to.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You know, down the road. Now, question about your. One of your social media posts.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, no.

[Brian Green]

I am one of the guys who does that whole Theo von Bro pose when you.

[Courtney Michelle]

Oh, you pop out the two fingers, the single finger.

[Brian Green]

I don't know what I do. I do, but I do something stupid with my hands. I put them in my pocket.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, right.

[Brian Green]

Why do we do that?

[Courtney Michelle]

Because you're insecure about what to do with your hands.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, because I'm insecure in general about taking photographs. I think that's what it is.

[Courtney Michelle]

I mean, but we, but girls do like, we'll do a squat or we'll do like a hand on.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, this.

[Courtney Michelle]

No one can take a photo without.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

No, you have to do something about it. Otherwise they're just sitting there. Just.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yes.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Limp and sitting there.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

From the age of, let's say 18 to maybe 26 or 27, I think there might be three known photographs of me. I avoided at all costs any photographs. And that's not even a joke. I do have some un. Like I have some. Those disposable cameras that I haven't gotten taken to the film place yet. But. And I'm sure there's some photographs in there, but I didn't. I think I missed that generation of people who were. Had phones, direct, you know, cameras directly in their hands at all times where a lot of the people I know are so used to taking photographs all the time, the selfies and all that. So I feel very uncomfortable when someone. Even after all the photographs that have been taken for the commercial break, I Still feel uncomfortable about it. It doesn't make me feel, well, are.

[Courtney Michelle]

You uncomfortable about the photo or are you, when you're taking the photo, thinking about how this is going to be perceived? Like, because me, I jump immediately to, okay, if my worst enemy saw this, would they have something to actually make fun of? Yeah, it's very subconscious.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

But I feel like that's what permeates whenever you're doing anything. It also feels so, like taking a photo of yourself, having someone take a photo of you.

[Brian Green]

So weird.

[Courtney Michelle]

It feels so self indulgent.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Courtney Michelle]

It's literally how we tell time. It's. It's been since the, since the dawn of eras.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

We've been, you know, taking note of the things that we do in some way shape, form. This is our versus our society's version of just like Cron chronicling.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

But we are so ashamed of it.

[Brian Green]

I know. It's so weird. Yeah, you're right about that. Like, people are putting, like, pictures of themselves on, you know, the caves and the cavemans, and it's a way of denoting that moment in time. Our age, our moment, our history. We're essentially. And now we can chronicle every moment of our lives. And I once heard a Buddhist monk say, there's no yesterday, there's no tomorrow. It's this. And that's it. You get one day, right? That's it. Forget about that. Forget about this. It's all. It's all this. Sounds nice in theory, but we're human. Like, I'm not a Buddhist monk. I'm a dude. Right?

[Courtney Michelle]

For them, there's only today.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, for them, there's only today because. Run down and grab some grains of rice and hand it to your neighbor. But for me, I got to take fucking photographs for the podcast. It just makes me feel so uncomfortable. But that was an absolutely relatable post because I see every one of the guys on my Instagram, I see them all making that stupid same fucking pose. And I'm like, she's so right about that. Guys don't know what to do with themselves when it comes to a photograph. We just don't.

[Courtney Michelle]

Nobody does. But I think it's. I think it's. I don't. I think we're better about this. But I think especially. Especially when I was growing up and I'm sure when you guys were like, it is. It does feel. Taking a photo feels vain. It feels vapid. It shouldn't. Again, we're. We have to, like, it really cements, like, a time, but it just Feels vapid no matter what. But I think for some reason, like, women in society were. Were almost given permission to feel a little more self conscious. No, no.

[Brian Green]

Feel a little bit more vain.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're given. I think for men, they're given less rope to feel that sanity. And so I think it probably compounds when you're taking a photo and you're like, all right, how do I make this seem like the most casual. I don't give a shit. I'm just gonna do this thing with my hands as opposed to making it look like I care by posing.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

I think women get away with it. It's all. We all have the same insecurities.

[Brian Green]

Sometimes I wish I could tap into my. A little bit of my gay and like, pop out a hip. You know what I'm saying? Pop up and just get. If I could tap into a little bit more of my gay, then I think I'd be better.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

This practice.

[Courtney Michelle]

If we could all t. A little.

[Brian Green]

Bit more of our guest, I think.

[Courtney Michelle]

It would be happier.

[Brian Green]

Listen, what. So now where are you going to go with the show? What's the next.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

You're going to Atlanta coming up, right?

[Courtney Michelle]

Coming to Atlanta City Winery. I think this will come up before. When will this come out?

[Brian Green]

In a couple weeks.

[Courtney Michelle]

Okay, great. Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

You're September for the City Winery.

[Courtney Michelle]

So we're doing September City Winery. Let's see if it's.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Congratulations. That's a great venue.

[Brian Green]

That's a great value.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right down the street from where I live.

[Courtney Michelle]

I just saw it yesterday, and it's a gorgeous venue. I'm a little, like, scared to fill it up.

[Brian Green]

Big. It's big. We'll come. We'll come.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

See, there's a ton of people. Yeah. And there's a ton of people in that area. That's a great new area. With.

[Brian Green]

If it's at the City Winery, some people are just gonna show up because it's the City Winery. You know what I'm saying?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, we'll come for sure.

[Courtney Michelle]

Okay. Oh, my God, I'd love that. But yeah, so we're doing another show in Nashville, Atlanta, and then Chicago. We'll do Chicago and then Atlanta, Austin, Louisiana. And then hoping to do maybe one or two other shows, like, later in the year.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Fantastic. It's a delighting tour.

[Courtney Michelle]

But.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, no, but those are some big markets, though.

[Brian Green]

This is where it starts. Yeah. Like, you know, this is the test. The, you know, burner phones of the world and all that, you know, all that stuff, they started somewhere, too, in These small venues just doing that. And look, now, you know, I don't know, Madison Square Garden. Where is she playing? I'm not even sure. Hannah's truly, truly amazing. But this is how it all start. And if you can prove that you can fill some seats, then the promoter goes to the next level, right?

[Courtney Michelle]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

And that's it. And you have the social media following to fill some of these places. There's no doubt about it. I mean, that's the scary part about the promoters, though. You know, they come to you. I don't know if you're. If you're working with a promoter.

[Courtney Michelle]

I'm assuming my manager does it all.

[Brian Green]

Okay. So anyway, the promoter comes to you and he says, hey, listen, here's five venues. Go see if you can sell tickets. And if you can sell tickets, then we'll be happy to give you a check. And, you know, you move on to the next one or whatever your deal is. But that's the scary part about it, is you look at the numbers on your podcast or on your social media and you go, oh, yeah, I could definitely do that. But can I do that in one city on that particular night is a different question altogether. Right.

[Courtney Michelle]

And will people. And will people even want to, like, do people see me in a way that they're like, I want to see what she has to say in person. Right. Or are they like, no, she stays in my little square and she feels safe there. And I'm hoping. I'm hoping that that's not the case. Yeah. I want to at least see what it is. Right, Right. And I think this show, I didn't want to do, like, sketches from the Internet in. In my live show.

[Brian Green]

I think that's.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah, that's great for them. And I think it's a great, like, one to one, people know exactly what they're getting. This is not any characters I've done, like, not anything really familiar to that. It's the same sense of humor. Yeah, it's me.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Courtney Michelle]

And it's supposed to be relatable, hopefully, but I wanted to give something that was more and different in my brain, more and different than what people have seen before. So that I have the thing that I do online. I have who I am in this little box, and then I have this other thing that I have in front of you, and I'm giving in two separate ways.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I think that's a great strategy to an audience.

[Brian Green]

I think that's the smartest strategy, because if you're doing the same thing, you're doing online. The next time they come into town, they're gonna go, I can just look over social media.

[Rachel]

Right.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

What's the reason? The reason to get out.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But if you show range, Right. I'm sure as an actor, it's always about range. Range. If you show range and they say, oh, I got something completely unexpected, which was the same thing we ran into. We're doing our live shows. Do we give them what they. What they're used to, which is an hour of the commercial break, brand new, or do we give them something completely different or mix the two together?

[Courtney Michelle]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And so make it familiar enough that it gets that they know who they're. What they're doing. But then I think it's a very smart idea to do something different because then you have legs and you can run with it. The next time people will go, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't get what I expected. And I liked it. And so now I'm going to go to the next one.

[Courtney Michelle]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

So.

[Courtney Michelle]

Okay. So smart. So great.

[Brian Green]

We really. This is our first live in person interview with someone that we don't know.

[Courtney Michelle]

Let'S put it that way. Okay, great.

[Brian Green]

I think you have been wonderful. Yes.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Thank you for.

[Brian Green]

I think you get an A plus, guys.

[Courtney Michelle]

This was lovely.

[Brian Green]

I think you'll get an invite back. This is lovely. I'm glad this all worked out that you got to come to the Odyssey Studios.

[Courtney Michelle]

I am so happy that this worked out and that we could do this, and I would love to come back and thank you for having me.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, thank you and good luck to you. We're excited to see you again in September.

[Courtney Michelle]

You guys have to come.

[Brian Green]

We'll come in May. Yes, 100%.

[Courtney Michelle]

Okay.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

It's way down the street from me, too.

[Courtney Michelle]

Okay, good.

[Brian Green]

Courtney, Michelle, I will put all of her links in the show notes, all the appropriate links down in her show notes. You can find her on social media. You can catch her live if you're in one of the. The lucky towns that gets to see her show. Thank you very much, Courtney. We appreciate it.

[Courtney Michelle]

Thank you guys so much.

[Rachel]

Rachel here, while Brian takes his old man bladder to the little boys room. Let's talk turkey. TCB needs your help. If you love the show, do us all a favor and share. Sharing is caring. And we know you care, don't you? Well, don't you? Oh, that was some childhood trauma rearing its ugly head. Do you want to be on the show? Leave us a voicemail at 212-433-3822 and you could be the next TCB disembodied voice. Oh, what'd you do today? I was a disembodied voice. You know, that sounds more dangerous than it actually is. Find us on Insta at the commercial break on the [e-mail] and all the episodes on video are available the same [e-mail]. i'm gonna go help Brian get back up the stairs while you listen to the sponsors. And then we'll all meet back here and get back to this episode of the commercial break. I'll take a raise now, bitches. Bye.

[Brian Green]

I think that went surprisingly well, Chrissy.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I cannot believe how well that went.

[Brian Green]

And I. I don't think I creeped her out once. I kept the cringe factor down to a one.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

You did a wonderful job.

[Brian Green]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Astrid watching.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Ast without Astrid, who knows what would have happened? Courtney Michelle was absolutely delightful, and I do have to say I really enjoyed recording here, actually. All the people at of Odyssey.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Have made it great. And this is a fantastic facility.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Professional studio.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I just said to Astrada, I said, this is like, this is so much better than our studio at home, which she designed. So I'll be in the doghouse paying many husband points for that later on tonight. I'm sure I'll be doing a honeydew listen very long tonight. Anyway, Courtney Michelle, she was wonderful.

[Courtney Michelle]

Thank you.

[Brian Green]

You know what I've noticed? I don't know why I do this, but I tend to go deep on. On a lot of our guests.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

You do?

[Brian Green]

Why do I do that? Is this a comedy show?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I'm a Buddhist monk.

[Brian Green]

I know Buddhist monk Ram Dass, and I'm not even sure it was Ram Dass.

[Courtney Michelle]

Childhood.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

So.

[Brian Green]

So how is your mother?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

You never know what you're getting to get.

[Brian Green]

I'm trying to get them to cry because I see that gets clicks on social media. That's what I'm doing. I want to be important, but I don't want to talk about politics because. Fuck politics, because we're all fucked and no one seems to care about it. Anyway. Courtney Michelle is absolutely lovely. You can find her on social media. You can catch her live in Chicago, Austin, Nashville, Atlanta. I think she said Miami, Louisiana. Somewhere. Anyway, all that information is down in the show notes. We certainly would appreciate it if you would go and follow her and then check out her live show. I think we should go.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

We're going.

[Brian Green]

We have a long list of shows to go to this fall with our guests. But we should try and make it to at least some of them. Yeah, some people, we just tell them we're going to go to their show and hope that they give us free tickets. And then other people, we're going to go to the show. And I think Courtney might be one of them. What do you think?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I love that venue. She's performing.

[Brian Green]

Oh, the City Winery is lovely. Lovely. I wish I drank still. Cuz isn't. Don't they sell wine there at the winery?

[Courtney Michelle]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

All right. There you go. That's the gig. 212-4333. TCB 212-433-3822. Questions, comments, concerns, contents, ideas, we take them all right there. So many of you writing in about poly couch cushions.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Green]

We'll get back to what a character. We'll get back to it. But if you have any comments or concerns or questions about this interview with Courtney Michelle, let us know. We'll pass the message along to nobody. There you go. TCBpodcast.com all the audio, all the video right there from one location and your free TCB sticker available only to you and 30,000 other people who are on a coupon site. Had the commercial break on Instagram, YouTube.com the commercial break for all the videos the same day. They air here on the audio. Okay, Chrissy, I guess that's all I can do for today.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

I'll tell you that I love you.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I love you.

[Brian Green]

Best to you and best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, Chrissy and I will say, we do say, and we must say goodbye.

[Courtney Michelle]

This. I gotta get some cocaine. That'll be crazy.