TCB Infomercial: Courtney Michelle (Live From Audacy Studios)

Summary

The Commercial Break: TCB Infomercial Episode Featuring Courtney Michelle (Live From Audacy Studios)

Release Date: July 8, 2025
Host: Bryan Green and Krissy Hoadley
Guest: Courtney Michelle, Social Media Influencer and Comedian

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1. Introduction to Courtney Michelle (05:21 - 07:19)

In this special infomercial episode of The Commercial Break, hosts Bryan Green and Krissy Hoadley welcome Courtney Michelle to the show, broadcasting live from Odyssey Studios in downtown Atlanta. Courtney, a long-time social media influencer and comedian, shares insights into her journey from performing online to launching a one-woman comedy show.

Bryan Green (05:27):
"She is the mother of the show."

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2. Transition from Social Media to Live Performance (10:52 - 37:09)

The conversation delves into Courtney's evolution from creating content on platforms like TikTok and Instagram to performing live shows. Courtney discusses the challenges and rewards of transitioning from the controlled environment of social media to the unpredictability of live audiences.

Courtney Michelle (12:03):
"I had always said, 'I'll never do social media acting,' and literally the thing that pays my bills is what I'm doing now."

Bryan Green (42:18):
"Taking what you do here—improv—to something live must be nerve-wracking."

Courtney Michelle (37:09):
"We did a rehearsal of the show for a few people, and it was okay, but there was very little laughing. During the actual show, the audience's energy transformed it into a euphoric experience."

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3. Personal Background and Upbringing (15:38 - 22:20)

Courtney opens up about her upbringing in West Virginia, moving to Miami and then to LA to pursue her passion for acting and entertainment. She reflects on growing up without a father figure and how her single mother's search for love influenced her desire for attention and validation.

Courtney Michelle (15:46):
"I grew up poor, single mom, just loved entertaining people. Always the big ham, always the weird friend by default."

Bryan Green (17:34):
"I had just gotten dumped by my first real boyfriend in college. I romanticized leaving this town."

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4. The Role of Comedy as a Coping Mechanism (24:30 - 35:26)

The hosts and Courtney explore how comedy served as a refuge for Courtney, helping her navigate personal insecurities and complex relationships, particularly with her parents. They discuss the psychological aspects of seeking validation through humor and the impact of parental expectations.

Bryan Green (31:30):
"A child recognizing that 'mother' and 'father' are just words helps in seeing them as flawed individuals."

Courtney Michelle (34:53):
"I tend to fall for the idea of someone. It's about expectations I've built up for a person who doesn't exist."

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5. Live Shows and Performance Anxiety (37:09 - 43:45)

Courtney shares her experiences with live performances, including her first sold-out show in Nashville. She discusses overcoming performance anxiety, the importance of audience energy, and the vulnerability involved in live storytelling through comedy.

Courtney Michelle (37:23):
"There were more laughs than I could have imagined. It was an energy thing; you need the crowd's energy to feel safe."

Bryan Green (43:08):
"You've taken your creation live, which takes immense courage. Kudos for that."

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6. Social Media Influence and Content Creation (49:26 - 52:10)

The dialogue shifts to the dynamics of social media, follower interactions, and maintaining authenticity online. Courtney discusses managing negative feedback, the balance between seeking validation and self-expression, and strategies for creating relatable yet distinct content.

Courtney Michelle (50:10):
"I try not to engage in DMs unless I'm seeking feedback. It's about recognizing what's relatable versus what's just noise."

Bryan Green (53:07):
"It's like a stamp of approval when interesting people follow you. It adds social credit."

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7. Future Plans and Touring (58:50 - 62:46)

Courtney outlines her upcoming tour plans, including performances in major cities like Nashville, Atlanta, and Chicago. She reflects on the potential challenges of filling venues and the excitement of expanding her live audience.

Courtney Michelle (59:03):
"We're doing September at City Winery. It's a gorgeous venue, and I'm excited yet scared to fill it up."

Bryan Green (60:30):
"If you can prove you can sell tickets in a big venue, promoters will take you to the next level."

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8. Closing Remarks and Takeaways (63:00 - 68:41)

As the interview wraps up, Bryan and Krissy commend Courtney for her authenticity and courage in sharing her story. They encourage listeners to follow her on social media and attend her live shows, emphasizing the symbiotic relationship between podcasting and live performances.

Bryan Green (67:23):
"Courtney Michelle was absolutely delightful. Check out her live shows in Chicago, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta."

Chris Hoadley (68:50):
"Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time!"

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Courtney Michelle (12:03):
  "I had always said, 'I'll never do social media acting,' and literally the thing that pays my bills is what I'm doing now."

• Bryan Green (31:30):
  "A child recognizing that 'mother' and 'father' are just words helps in seeing them as flawed individuals."

• Courtney Michelle (37:23):
  "There were more laughs than I could have imagined. It was an energy thing; you need the crowd's energy to feel safe."

• Courtney Michelle (50:10):
  "I try not to engage in DMs unless I'm seeking feedback. It's about recognizing what's relatable versus what's just noise."

• Bryan Green (60:30):
  "If you can prove you can sell tickets in a big venue, promoters will take you to the next level."

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Key Takeaways

• Authenticity in Content Creation: Courtney emphasizes the importance of creating content that resonates personally, moving beyond seeking validation to expressing genuine humor and experiences.

• Transitioning from Online to Live: The shift from digital platforms to live performances presents both challenges and exhilarating rewards, highlighting the necessity of audience energy in live comedy.

• Personal Growth through Comedy: Comedy serves as a therapeutic tool for Courtney, aiding her in processing complex emotions and fostering deeper connections with her audience.

• Balancing Social Media Presence: Managing a large following requires strategic engagement, focusing on relatable content while filtering out negativity to maintain mental well-being.

• Future Endeavors: Courtney is poised to expand her live performances, leveraging her social media presence to draw audiences and continue her growth as a comedian.

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Transcript

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[Brian Green]

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[Chris Hoadley]

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[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And so I think the probably compounds when you're taking a photo and you're like, all right, how do I make this seem like the most casual. I don't give a. I'm just gonna do this thing with my hands as opposed to making it look like I care by posing. Yeah. I think women get away with it.

[Brian Green]

Right?

[Chris Hoadley]

It's all. We all have the same insecurities.

[Brian Green]

Sometimes I wish I could tap into my. A little bit of my gay and like, pop out a hip, you know what I'm saying? And just get. If I could tap into a little bit more of my game, I'd be better this practice.

[Chris Hoadley]

If we could all tap a little.

[Brian Green]

Bit more of our dad, I think.

[Chris Hoadley]

It would be happier.

[Brian Green]

Listen, the next episode of the commercial break starts now. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chris.

[Chris Hoadley]

Best to you, Brian.

[Brian Green]

Best to you out there in the podcast universe. I say aliens because today, Chrissy, we are aliens in a foreign land. Unknown to us. We have been allowed outside of the four walls of my child's bedroom, my recycled child's bedroom, into the Odyssey studios here in downtown Atlanta. This is really cool, actually. I'm really enjoying this. This has been a lot of fun. We have been graciously welcomed by the folks at Odyssey into their studios in a very tall building.

[Chris Hoadley]

To the inner circle.

[Brian Green]

Into the inner circle.

[Chris Hoadley]

We made it.

[Brian Green]

We made it. And we've got a bunch of people that are helping us here. Thank you to Slim and Kimberly, who have been so nice and all the folks at Odysse have been so nice to help us out. But I like Slim. Slim's my new Friend. I know I'm going to have to interview him next in my mind. We'll talk to him about that later. Today it's a TCB infomercial Tuesday. Live from the Odyssey Studios, as we welcome in Courtney Michelle, social media influencer, comedian. Also, she's doing a one woman comedy show now, Chrissy. I think she started it in Nashville and now she's taking it a few other places after a one show successful.

[Chris Hoadley]

Run and with a couple of friends. But yes, she's the. She. She's the mother of the show.

[Brian Green]

She is. She's been on social media for a long time, making people laugh. It's Courtney Michelle, I think is. Yep, it's Courtney Michelle is her social media handles. You can also find all that information in the show notes. As we always do. I say we don't waste a lot of time here because I'd like to get to as much Courtney Michelle as possible. Plus, I don't know how long we have before they kick us out of the studio, so. Yeah, so we better hurry it on the line. We better put our foot on the gas pedal. So we once again, live from the. I'm just trying to find the liners here because, you know, we're in a different place. So there we go. I found it. Look at me.

[Chris Hoadley]

Good.

[Brian Green]

I'm so good, Chrissy. I'm glad I brought our own equipment because I would be running from one end of the room to the other.

[Chris Hoadley]

Had we not purchasing cords off of Amazon as quickly as possible.

[Brian Green]

Oh, I already did that. I already did that. All right, so here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a quick break and then here with us for the first time ever. Well, at least the first time ever since. Actually, this is the first.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, first time ever with Courtney Michelle and first time ever live with any guest.

[Brian Green]

Oh, Gustavo. Gustavo. But he's not somebody. He's not somebody, you know. He's my brother in law. That's why he's in my. He's allowed in my house. I wanted to bring people to the house, but Astrid said no, no, no. I think she was worried about the paparazzi for us. Mainly, you know, the paparazzi that chases us around. Oh, God. What would we do with blue or the kids or the dirty diapers or the dishes or the laundry?

[Chris Hoadley]

It's best to keep the mystery, Al.

[Brian Green]

We've eased Chrissy into our chaos at our house. But would Courtney Michelle deal with that? Probably not. Nate. Bargazi? I don't think so, Dusty. Slay. Maybe Dusty Slay. Have you seen him? I mean, come on, let's get it on. Anyway, Courtney Michelle here with us live from the Odyssey Studios in downtown Atlanta, sitting right in front of us. We could probably touch her. I am not allowed to because Astrid's.

[Chris Hoadley]

Here, but give a little hug.

[Brian Green]

You can touch her. Okay, we'll touch Courtney Michelle after these messages. We'll be back. Let me do something Brian has never done.

[Chris Hoadley]

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[Brian Green]

And Courtney is here with us now. We are live in the Odyssey Studios. Thank you Courtney for joining us. Welcome, welcome.

[Chris Hoadley]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Brian Green]

I have a question because Chrissy and I, we need to know, how do you use social media? What is. How do. How do you use social media?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, what is it?

[Brian Green]

What is it?

[Chris Hoadley]

How do you do it unhealthily?

[Brian Green]

Is it an obsession?

[Chris Hoadley]

I think it's. Is it an obsession? I think it's more of a, of a defense mechanism and interesting, very unhealthy tactic. I think it's a place that I go when I need validation or when I need to look at something, look at someone hot. There's a lot of hot people on social media. It's like a little pool of fishing for hotties. None of this is good.

[Brian Green]

No, but you're. But you're admitting it. Like you. I think you have a. You seem self aware about the reasons why you use social media. Is this how you started on, like, what did it become like? Were you obsessive about it at first and that's kind of how it grew.

[Chris Hoadley]

Or, you know, what's so funny? So I started off acting. Acting was like my baby still do it. It's still like my, my number one honey, but But. And back in the day, I don't know if you remember this, back in the day before, like, TikTok, there was. People would do Instagram videos. Yes. But they were. They were of a certain. They were very specific thing. There was, like, sound effects, and it was very big and it was very broad. And I was like, I will never do that. And there was. It was kind of. If you were an actor, it was kind of looked down upon, like these people who are acting in these little skits, like, could never be me.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And I don't know when it kind of changed, probably the pandemic, and people were like, I have so much time. I have so much time and energy and bravado and desperation. Where do I put it to? Just broke that barrier. But I had always said, like, I'll never do. I'll never do, like. Like social media acting.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And literally the thing that pays my bills and just the number one thing that I'm doing now, which is crazy. So, no, I was never obsessed with it. And now I am very interested by it.

[Brian Green]

Is it because you got the feedback? Like, the feedback started happening. Like, you got that gratific. Got the feedback. Now you have an audience. Now people are reacting to what you're doing, that you start to, like, just kind of go down that rabbit hole. You're like, okay, now I gotta. I'm just gonna create. Like, people are reacting to it. This is something that I can do.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

What is like the first big reel that, like, what is the thing that kind of, like, blew it up for you?

[Chris Hoadley]

You know, I had. I think that it's been. It's been slow growth, which people would argue it hasn't, but for me, it feels like slow growth.

[Brian Green]

When is your. When did you first get on social media? When you first started doing Instagram reels? During the pandemic?

[Chris Hoadley]

No, I started playing with stuff before the pandemic. Like 2019. I got like, a TikTok and started kind of just like, fudging around and then really committed to it. During the pandemic? Yeah. Like most people, it's the most cliche story. Same with us starting a podcast. Exactly. So many things. Birds, this virus. But, yeah, I think. And then what was the question?

[Brian Green]

You started in 2019. But, like, what's the. What's what? Kind of catches fire for you.

[Chris Hoadley]

It's so funny. I did a video, so this is always so boring to talk about. Like, I did this one video and I was like, but I did do this dumb video. This was like, before you. Before this is when TikTok was like, from musically, right. So it was kind of like lip syncing and very little. It was either dancing, lip syncing. Dancing, lip syncing. Or like, Vines was very small and short and music based. And so I did like a lip sync to some song talking, I think, talking about being a whore. I don't remember what the song was. I think was like a Nicki Minaj song about being a hoe. And I lip synced to it with some sort of text on top, whatever, and got, like, millions of views. This is when it was, like, really easy to go viral because there weren't a lot of people creating people that were already on the platform by default. And so I got a couple million views and I go, this is the most validation I've got from anything ever. Right. I can't imagine. I was like, could I forgive my parents? So it felt amazing. And I look back and I think I honestly. And I had done a few other ones that also went viral within a few months. Right. And I go, if I didn't have that, I don't even know if I would be doing this. Because it really. It validated that I could do it before everybody else started doing it.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Chris Hoadley]

And then once everyone else started doing it, I was like, well, I've. Guys, I've been doing this.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I'm doing again.

[Chris Hoadley]

Exactly. And so I just kept doing, diving into it, and I think I didn't really catch a stride. I didn't really start making content that felt authentic to me and my sense of humor and what I like to do until probably like, two or three years ago. And then just where did.

[Brian Green]

What kind of upbringing did you have? Yeah, let's go there. This is a very dramatic podcast.

[Chris Hoadley]

No, no, no, I'm not. I live in Nashville, but I'm from West Virginia originally.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Chris Hoadley]

What kind of childhood did I have growing up? What a fantastic question. Well, as you can see, I'm hilarious, so it was awful. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Do you come from a long line of funnymen?

[Chris Hoadley]

We go back and back and back. I grew up poor, single mom, just. But, like, loved entertaining people, and I loved, like, musical theater and dancing and all those things. So. Always a big ham. Only child, always a big ham. No father figure. So, like, really slutty. Just, like all of the cliches. Yeah. And then I went to college in, like, the same town I grew up in was like, I gotta get out of here. Went to Miami and I. I had literally gone to spring break in Miami. I never Left West Virginia. Really? Besides going like the beach or once or twice. And I was like, I want to live somewhere else. And I'd gone to spring break in Miami. And I go, that's a place to live.

[Brian Green]

That's it. I know that place.

[Chris Hoadley]

I know that place.

[Brian Green]

That's the place I know. Second best.

[Chris Hoadley]

Exactly. But truly, truly at that point. So I moved to Miami and. Which was a total shock. Wow. From West Virginia to Miami. That is completely different. It's completely different. Yeah. Good for you, though, to have the courage to do it. I think it was stupidity. I don't know that I was courageous at all.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I think youth brings bravado. It really does. It's a great adventure. At my age, at least a great adventure is like, you know, going to bed after 11:30 at night now, because I know that there are ramifications. But when you're young, there's a great sense of like, oh my gosh, there's freedom and adventure and I can go down there and start a new life for myself. You get to a certain age and you realize it's never that easy. Right? It's never that easy.

[Chris Hoadley]

And it's never that thing. It's never. That I had never.

[Brian Green]

Scratches the itch.

[Chris Hoadley]

No, never. I'm always so itchy. I had just.

[Brian Green]

Me too.

[Chris Hoadley]

So itchy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, so itchy.

[Chris Hoadley]

I had just like gotten dumped by my first real boyfriend in college. And I think that was like. I romanticized leaving this town. Right. Which is so crazy because he also went to Florida. But I was like, I'm gonna like leave and go to Miami. Yes. And just like be a brand new person. Like re. Discover myself or whatever. And I mean, it was definitely a self discovery because I threw myself into a city that I. I had no business being in. At 22, I was the poorest person in that city. I was driving like a 1998 Saab. I mean, it was crazy. I pulled to valets and they'd be like, you can't be serious. We actually can't.

[Brian Green]

You can make $200,000 a year and be the poorest person in Miami. I mean, honestly, there are parts of Miami that are just dripping in wealth and international wealth. Not like, not like US wealth. Like my daddy owns a siding company kind of wealth. It's like, you know, Saudi Arabian prince kind of wealth. Or Venezuelan oligarch.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes. Incomprehensible. Well, in Miami. And like showing it on your hands. I mean, it was crazy. But anyways, I. I moved down there. Again, super poor. I was Working. I did marketing for a commercial real estate firm. I just. I started doing bottle service on the weekends. Yeah, I couldn't pay my rent. You have to do. And I had met a guy who did background work for, like, film and tv.

[Brian Green]

Oh, interesting.

[Chris Hoadley]

I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, I thought that those were just like, people that were. That were there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And he gave me his, like, agents information for this thing and I started acting. And I, I think, thank God, because, like, I don't know what path I was going down in Miami. It was not a great one. Right. But I was like, oh, I think I love this thing. This reminds me of like, like the, the musical theater and the, the. The dancing and the. And the bands that I started with my friends growing up, but as an industry.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And that's really cool. I feel the same way. But we're at a job, which is wild. And I fell in love with just the entertainment industry. And then I moved to L A and did L A for six years and then went to Nashville during the pandemic. And that's kind of when, like, the social media part of it kicked in.

[Brian Green]

You were acting in la?

[Chris Hoadley]

I was acting in L A. Correct.

[Brian Green]

Did you get it? Like, can you tell? Is there any specific things that we could find you in?

[Chris Hoadley]

Absolutely not.

[Brian Green]

No. Really? You were just like a background actor. I mean, LA is such a fucking hard time at the town. It's. I. I've only spent time there briefly. Right. But I. It feels very transactional to me in so many ways. Like Miami, but in a different way. Right. And I think it's very. It's a very hard town to be in if you're a creator. I don't know, but I have people. I know that. People that live there. And you can either make it or most people break it. Right. It's just very difficult town to be in.

[Chris Hoadley]

It is. I love la. I miss it all the time. I think what I loved about LA is that everybody is chasing a dream, and that is such a contagious energy. I think inherently in that dynamic, there will be people who are so desperate for their dream that they aren't able to make authentic relationships. They aren't able to have a conversation with you that doesn't involve that. It takes up all of their.

[Brian Green]

Their brain power.

[Chris Hoadley]

Their brain power. And where Miami was about money and wealth and power, LA was similar, but it was more about how can you make my dreams come true?

[Brian Green]

It was aspirational and transactional at the same time.

[Chris Hoadley]

It Was a two for one.

[Brian Green]

It was a two for one. It's like one big networking meeting. I feel like in la, when I've spent time there, like with people who live there. Right. It feels like one big networking meeting. It's always an opportunity to do the next thing.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, in Nashville can actually be the same way, too, for the music industry. I lived in Nashville for five years and not for music, but I saw a lot of that same type of thing with the LA and acting. Nashville was for music. Yeah. I think that's why I like Nashville. I'm like, okay, being there. Yeah. Because again, I do kind of miss. While it's annoying to go to a party, every party in L. A, you start off by being introduced as to what you have to offer. It's always like, this is Cassie. And she. She was just.

[Brian Green]

She's a line producer on the newest greatest ABC flop.

[Chris Hoadley]

She's blah blah, blah, blah's daughter. She's blah blah, blah's agent, or she knows blah blah blah's agent. So it's always like, that's how you're introduced, which is crazy. And I hate it. And I shouldn't say everywhere. Just, like, it happens so much that becomes a shtick in itself. But I just do love that everybody is. There's so much passion that it kind of. Again, it's contagious. And there's so much charisma in a place.

[Brian Green]

It's infectious.

[Chris Hoadley]

It is kind of infectious. And I feel like my ability to, like, banter with people, my ability to just, like, talk about a little bit more, deeper things did tend to happen in. In LA because people were in the arts. But what I do love also about Nashville is because of the music. It is also a dreamer city. Oh, very much. There is that energy. And while it's not my dream. Yeah. It's still a contagious energy as well. So I found. I found. And a huge entertainment industry coming to Nashville. I shouldn't say huge. There's like, bigger than you would. Than you would. Right.

[Brian Green]

It's having a moment there. It's having a moment. And it has been for, like, the last 10 years, but it feels like.

[Chris Hoadley]

So Nashville was pretty big and bringing a lot of that to that town. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. To me, at least on an outsider looking in, it feels like it's reached a fevered pitch around Nashville, Everybody has a bar. Yeah. Jack White, Kid Rock. Everybody's got something going on in Nashville, which up until 10 years ago was a relatively small town, like a tertiary City that people knew about because there's always been music, country music there, but now it's very cosmopolitan. It feels. It's a cosmopolitan in a weird way.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. Which I appreciate for the good. Exactly. And I appreciate for the cool scene. It's got a lot going on. Not the traffic. But besides that, it's been lovely.

[Brian Green]

You have a Kid Rock that. You have a Kid Rock restaurant there.

[Chris Hoadley]

We have a Kid Rock restaurant.

[Brian Green]

How lucky are you?

[Chris Hoadley]

I would say other things make me laugh. Yay. Other than that, it is funny how not incestuous, maybe, like, insular it becomes, because I was talking to my friend. I did, like, a. A commercial with this, like, country music artist, and I was talking to my friend yesterday here about it, and he was like, who is that? That's right. Like, people outside of Nashville don't maybe know country music the way that I do because I've lived there for five years. Right, right. And it becomes kind of your. It's the industry, so it kind of becomes. You put these people on pedestals just by proxy, which is so fascinating.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, it really is. So in the three minutes that I've known you, I've already dissected your entire life.

[Chris Hoadley]

Tell me. Fix me.

[Brian Green]

I get the sense that single mother, no father figure around you found some solace and probably some validation and some gratification in being kind of the center of attention in a creative way. And that just came to you easily. Like, is that true? Is like, you know, I liked being the ham and hamming it up and. And having that kind, Being able to create and have people pay attention to it, getting some feedback around. That felt good to you. For me, too. Right. For me too. So this is. I'm speaking one to another. There is a hole in my soul which I fill with the laughter around me or the laughter that I create or the things that I create. I find great comfort in that, and I think it's a gift and a curse at the same time sometimes. And I traveled to great lengths in my head and outside my head to fill that hole in a lot of ways. But not everybody is funny at the same time. And you're funny. Like, a lot of people are that way, but they're just not funny. They just seem. They come off corny and kind of weird, like they're pining for your attention. Right. Needy almost. But you're not that way. You have a thing. You've got a thing, and people resonate with that. Doesn't that feel good to you? Like, it Feels fucking amazing. Well, yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And you're making money. You're making money from it. Yeah, it feels incredible. Yeah, it feels. It feels good when I let it feel good. You know, it feels good when I'm not comparing it to what someone else has or should have or whatever. Right. Like, I could say that that gets murky. But. But yes, to answer your question, yes, I was looking well, and it's all the things you. Not to get into my memoir yet.

[Brian Green]

You're doing it right here on the commercial break. We're breaking news.

[Chris Hoadley]

Memoir scoop. Yeah, but I. I think, yeah, it was again, dad wasn't around, and then mom was, like, always, like, looking for love, so she was always, like, dating new guys and blah, blah, blah. And she was a great mom. She crushed it. But I think I was just, like, always looking for attention. So we have that built in. I was kind of like the weird friend, I think, by default, because I didn't have. We didn't have a lot of money in a town that had a lot of money, so I felt kind of like I was wearing weird clothes and I didn't have, like, the things that other kids had. So weird by default, I had a lot. My friends were all very hot, too, and I, like, took a little bit. So all of those things kind of grew into it. I grew into all of the things. But I think. I think all that kind of equated into me trying to find something else besides looking cool, being cute, having the right, like, cheerleading moves or whatever.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And it was entertaining. So I would be, like, the goofy, the funny friend who was like, when I was little, it was like, you know, shticks. It was, like, falling or, like, playing dumb or. I mean, it was early 2000, so I was like, right, I'll be the dumb blonde. The hit thing back then. And then I think as I got older, it migrated into comedy that I'm more familiar with now, which was, like, jokes and, like, telling stories and, like, the idea of being with a bunch of people and holding court about a story that I. That I went through, and that really started feeling very fulfilling. And then I was able to, you know, transition it into, like, some semblance of a career. Well, because now you're. You've taken that kind of on the road, too, right? By doing some shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing live shows. Yeah, we're doing a live show, which is. I still, like, struggle to even define what it is.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. What. Explain. Because I couldn't find much. Right. There was some, you had some reels and stuff like that, but I couldn't find much. But explain what. What. How do you transition from funny person being able to on the Internet, multiple takes, edits, cuts, and all that stuff, to then doing it live? That's a brave thing to do.

[Chris Hoadley]

Again, probably stupid more than anything. I don't know. Again, I don't feel bad. I feel like I'm just, like, falling and flailing. But I think this show, which, again, we've done a great job marketing it, since no one knows what it is, I guess, but it's. It's a live show. It's basically a bunch of different sketches that kind of tell one story about girlhood. Okay. And what I wanted to do was I feel like a lot of the videos that I do online are geared towards all people, but specifically, like, I kind of make videos for, like, what I would want to see.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Chris Hoadley]

And so what me, as a woman of a certain age, would want to see and what she relates to and whether it's, like, people that annoy you, whether it's, like, situations that are embarrassing or whatever. But it's almost like kind of me being a woman and what that looks like, that I was like, how do I do that about a trajectory? Like, how can I talk about myself more and in a different vehicle and make people even more obsessed with me and be even more narcissistic? Let's try it. Let's try doing it live. And.

[Brian Green]

And, fuck it, we'll do it live.

[Chris Hoadley]

Fuck it, we're doing it live. And that's what we did. So we did. I've been writing it for. I started writing it, like, last spring with my friend Ali and kind of, like, using him as a backboard, like, constantly, like, is this funny? Is this relatable? Is this stupid? And then wrote this show about girlhood, and it's. Again, it's a bunch of different sketches, and there's, like, music in it and there's, like, videos in it, but it's not really any characters that I do online. It's all different stuff.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

But it. Like, it. It's very funny and goofy and light, but it also, like, tackles my relationship with my mom and my relationship with, like, dating and my relationship to, like, girlfriends and all that stuff in a very light, fun. Right. Very millennial way. Very, like, nostalgic.

[Brian Green]

Is your relationship. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put a pin there, and I'll ask you another question about doing stuff live. Is your relationship with your mother complicated? I Mean all relationships? That's, like, a stupid question.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right?

[Brian Green]

But is it, like, are you guys good friends?

[Chris Hoadley]

It's so funny. She just came and stayed with me for three weeks, so. Three weeks. I am fresh off of that. Yeah. Yeah. She's, I think, growing up, you know, my mom didn't have a great mother figure growing up either.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

So she was kind of figuring out if she went. Most people are. Yeah, exactly. There's no rule.

[Brian Green]

There's no rule book. Motherhood is motherhood. Parenting is. There's no rule book. You're literally feeling it out minute by minute.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. And. And. And, you know, she definitely did the best she could, and she had some great moments in there, some rock star moments, and I put her through it some moments as well. So always give her kudos for that. And I think now getting older, I feel like we go through these, like, phases with our parents.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Chris Hoadley]

They're like, you know, your mother. And then you start seeing flaws and you start resenting them, and you start blaming them for everything. And now I'm in this phase of seeing her as a person. And you relate.

[Brian Green]

One of the most wise things that I ever read. I had a complicated relationship with both of my parents, and my mother was mentally ill. My father was emotionally unavailable, like a lot of fathers of. Of people my age were, because they just grew up with World War II fathers or Vietnam or Korean War fathers who were a different breed. Yeah, different. There was no ptsd. They just stoically, silently, and sometimes violently took it. Right. And then they taught they. But they sent that on to their children. And so there's this softening of parenting going on as you. As, I think, as you go through time in some cultures.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But one of the wisest things that I read as I was trying to reconcile with my own childhood was a guy named Ram Dass who wrote that the most important thing that a child can ever do is recognize that the words mother and father are simply words. They are. There's no meaning behind that. Their words, they are human. They are flawed. They are violent and ugly and loving, and they are as complicated as you are. They are not here to save you. They are not here to be you. They are not here to tell you what to do. They are just people. You were born to them, and hopefully they will give you some good guidance along the way. But not everybody gets that. And so that was like, a very powerful moment when I let go of the word mom and dad, because then I could look at them for who they were. Loving people who did the best they could in the circumstances that they had, and the information that they had in that moment, which could have just been shitty information. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not all. You know, we all work human. We know it's kind of a complicated thing. So when you say that, I recognize that I hear what you're saying. That's. Yeah, that's a powerful thing to do. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think because I'm single and. And I've been, I. I think a lot on, like, dating and how I've. I've come to the conclusion for a while now that I tend to, like, fall for the idea of someone. Right. Like. And it's these expectations that get built up and then let down. And it's like I'm doing all of it right. Like, there's some. There's shitty people, and I've been in shitty relationships or I've met shitty people. But. But a lot of it is the onus falls on me of building up an expectation for someone that doesn't even exist or a person that doesn't exist. And I think. And they can't read your mind, and they can't read your mind. You have to communicate. As gross as. It feels so difficult, it sucks. But I think it's the same thing with. I think the strife that I feel towards my parents comes from the same beast. I think if I really look at all of the resentment or ill feelings that I have towards either of my parents, the large majority I could sit here and I can name, well, she did this and he did this and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think ultimately it's the expectation of what I think a mother should be, an expectation of what I think a father should be, and how they've let me down when really I've fallen in love with a person that never existed. And I think that has been a huge thing for me as I've gotten older. I'm like, in my 30s. I shouldn't need. I shouldn't need my mother and father to. To love. To, like, show their love for me or to, like, take care of me or to. To. To validate me in any way. And one side of that is there. I think there always is a tether. Yes. Mother and father is. They're just words.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

But there also is, like, a weird tether.

[Brian Green]

That's your inner child. No matter what, always looking for mom.

[Chris Hoadley]

And dad, it will always be there. I think recognizing that that's maybe where something is coming from. And then is this A reasonable expectation of a person whose story, you know.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And who was actually like, I had to forgive. We're getting so deep.

[Brian Green]

This is so deep. This is crazy.

[Chris Hoadley]

But I had to, like, forgive my father a long time ago after learning about his childhood, and I was like, homeboy is incapable of loving me in.

[Brian Green]

The way that some people are. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And I'm like, okay, we got to let him go.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And that's huge.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You know, expectations. We sow the seed of our own disappointment with expectations. Right. That's just it. But it's really hard not to do that. And also, when it comes to our mother and father, we can let the words go. But the inner child always still needs Mommy and Daddy, and I think Will till the day that we die. We always need Mommy and Daddy. It's just the way that it is. And we look for that in the people and the things around us, and we look for that in the validation on social media or with your spouse or with your loved one or whoever it is. Okay, let's lighten it up for a little bit.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, okay, sure.

[Brian Green]

We'll go back and forth. We'll oscillate in the comments.

[Chris Hoadley]

You don't want to do more trauma?

[Brian Green]

Oh, we're going to do more trauma. I'm keeping you here for three hours. Perfect. Yeah. This is a therapy session that your mom ordered. It's not a podcast.

[Chris Hoadley]

Great. I honestly wouldn't put a pastor.

[Brian Green]

Is it. Do you find that doing live shows are more or less interesting to you than doing, creating? On.

[Chris Hoadley]

How many have you done so far?

[Brian Green]

How many. How many are in the bag for.

[Chris Hoadley]

This show that we're touring with? One. Okay. We've done one show in Nashville at Zany's. I saw that. Yeah. When it sold out. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I saw that.

[Chris Hoadley]

It was sold out, too. That's great. I mean, a lot of it was just, like, friends and still.

[Brian Green]

Who cares? The promoter doesn't care.

[Chris Hoadley]

Exactly. Exactly. But, yes, we did one show just to kind of try it out. We're like, if this goes well, then maybe we'll see what.

[Brian Green]

Take it on the road.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. And I. I will answer your question, but I will also say that I left that show because, again, it's. This became my baby.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Like, not only is it something that I wrote from scratch, that I, like, brought these lovely. Like, some of my favorite human beings are also involved in this. It's a. It's me and two other people who kind of, like, play characters around me.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Then we have, like, an incredible Piano player. And I, like, brought these people into this thing to try to milk what I know they can give. And it just felt like it was so precious to me.

[Brian Green]

Interesting.

[Chris Hoadley]

And we did the show. Well, first, I'll say we did a rehearsal of the show for a few people, and it was okay, but there was very little laughing. And then we did a tech rehearsal, like, right before the show, and I was kind of, like, watching the people out in the audience to see if I could get any. Not even a huff of air off the nose. Oh, no. And I go, all right, this is gonna. This is gonna be awful.

[Brian Green]

This is gonna be terrible.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'm gonna embarrass myself in front of everyone that I know. And so then we did the show, and there were more laughs than I could have. They were laughing at jokes that I was like, I didn't realize that was a joke, but. And just, like, the voice. Applause when people were crying. People had such great complime about it. I think it just. It's. It's a. It's a. An energy thing. I think you just need a lot of people.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Like, you need the energy of the crowd around you in order to feel safe.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Feeling and laughing. So I left that show. I remember walking off stage, like, feeling that I've never felt before, which is because, again, I've done stage stuff, but this is my baby. So it felt very vulnerable. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna either throw up or cry or potentially shit my pants. Like, there's a lot of stuff happening in my stomach. And I. But I couldn't stop. Like, I was just, like, laughing for no reason. It was the most euphoric, crazy feeling having, like, immediately walking off that stage that I was like, oh, fuck. Like, this.

[Brian Green]

This is the thing.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think this is the thing I'm gonna end up doing a lot of. And so. Yeah. And so the. The second we had a chance to tour with it, I was like, wow, this is. We have to.

[Brian Green]

We have said this a lot. I've been saying this probably since we started podcasting, is that podcasting is kind of a lonely venture in some ways. I mean, I'm lucky to have Chrissy in the room with me. Right. If she wasn't there, I don't know. I mean, I'd just be talking to myself and that. Probably no one wants to hear that. My. My wife made me start the podcast, so I stopped talking to her. But it's a lonely venture because there's no instant feedback. There's, like, no reaction if people react, it's like, I'll record. And then three days later when it publishes, somebody might text us or email us, oh, great show. Or whatever. There's no instant feedback. And while that feedback is great, it's not instant. There's no reaction besides what's going on in the room. So, you know, we've had people come to us and oh, do the show, do it live. And we actually had plans to do a live show and then I got sick and I had to have surgery. But that beside the point. Like, my greatest fear was what you said about the first two versions of that is that we're gonna get up and we're gonna do this show and all the places where we think there's gonna be laughs, it's literally gonna be dead silence. And it's just gonna be an embarrassment of our creation. And I don't know if I wanna hear my baby get shit on. Right. Because this is my baby. I think it would probably be more the latter is that we get the laughs or we expect the laughs and then at the end of the night we'd feel really good about that. But it takes an immense amount of huge testicles to get up when you're normally, you know, putting a phone in front of you by yourself and then to create something whole cloth that. And you're not a stand up comedian. You've never done this before. You're not used to working a room and doing all that. And then to get up and do that, that's. That takes into a lot of konais. And so I applaud you for that. Just, just the fact that you got on stage in front of a crowd, even if they were your home team. Right. Just the fact that you got up there.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

It says a lot about your willingness to.

[Chris Hoadley]

Your belief in your creation probably helped too, you know, with some of that. Yeah. I think having like, again, it's been a while since I've done stage stuff, but it's always kind of like lingered there. And I did again when I was a kid and I. To prepare for the show, I actually did a bunch of standup. I really enjoy. I've done. I've.

[Brian Green]

You went to open mics and did stand up?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, I did a few open mic shows and a few show shows. Like, just like tiny little shows. Yeah. To really prep for it. And I love stand up. I think the difference with standup is it's so expect. It's like, it's really hard for me to overcome that expectation of, okay, if, if you don't laugh. There's no other reason for you to be here.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right. At least I feel like with our live show, it's more acting. So there's like a performance, there's like a takeaway, there's a story to tell. And I feel like for a podcast, laughing isn't the only expectation of it. I think it's also just like getting to know someone or like feeling related to or whatever it may be. I think, first of all, I think you should do. I think you guys will crush it.

[Brian Green]

Well, thank you very much. We will do it. We're gonna get back to it. We're gonna get back to it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. It's. But taking what you do here. Improv, right?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Which is. I mean, I imagine when you do social media, I don't know what your process is, but I imagine I have a seed of an idea. I find. Observationally, I find something funny.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And then you have a format. Right. I've watched a lot of your reels and you have kind of a format. Right. I am. My name is Courtney and this is. I'm. This is my impression of. Right. Or whatever it happens.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

We don't have a format necessarily. We just get on here and start spitting and hoping that it's funny. And sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. But taking that and putting that into something like malleable, like, that has a. Like, thematically makes sense. Was really difficult. And we did figure it out. We eventually figured out something. But we'll get back to it. Still nerve wracking to get up on stage when you were doing standup, did you like it?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. I mean, I blacked out every time. It was so scary.

[Brian Green]

So nerve wracking. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

I have really bad performance anxiety. So that whole part of it was. I still, like, I had a show two weeks ago.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And just getting up, it was like There was like 20 people there.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Because I was opener for. So they have no. People are like trickling in very slowly.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

But still I was like. Right. I can only imagine. And then, I don't know, I think you go into like autopilot or something. The first laugh, the first joke that hits or the first thing that hits, whatever it may be, really carries you.

[Brian Green]

It's nourishment.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. And I feel really bad for people who, like, it takes them a second to get to that first joke because you're just kind of like floundering. Right. And I'm sure it happens all the time with stand up or comedians. In general.

[Brian Green]

My wife and I once saw Pete Davidson at, like, the. He was breaking in new material. So he's in a club probably a little bit bigger than this. And I'm not shitting you, it's tiny. And he's got three comedians that come on in front, right? And I don't know any of them, but the first guy who comes on the crowd is just not with him. There's a lot of chatter going on in the room, and everyone's trying to. He's trying to settle everybody down a little bit. But it was the 15 minutes of the most unimpressive comedy I've ever seen. He just started insulting people after a while, and that kind of got some laugh. Like, he went to insult, right? And some people laughed about it, but honestly, there were very few laughs. And I felt terrible for the guy because I was like, you're not very funny. You're not being very funny. But still, it's gotta be terrible to be up on stage and no one's fucking laughing at you. And this is your job. Your only job is to make people laugh. And you haven't gotten one. It's gotta feel awful. Conversely.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

When you're hot and you get the crowd growing, that's gotta feel amazing. That's gotta be something that really just kind of puts fuel in your tank.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, I'm very lucky. I haven't done it enough to ever. I haven't bombed yet. Yeah. Hopefully none of these live shows will, but you never know. They could. Part of the experience. Part of the experience, yeah.

[Brian Green]

You're not gonna learn unless you bomb. Right?

[Chris Hoadley]

It really is. So. But, yeah, I can't. I mean, I can't even imagine, like, getting up there and not. I'm such a people pleaser again that I'd be like, oh, my God, I'm not giving you what you want. On top of, like, me feeling like I'm, like, giving you what you want, you feel like. I'm so sorry. Oh, do you?

[Brian Green]

What? Do you remember being funny as a kid? Like, what's the first thing you remember being funny as a kid? Television show, Movie. Weird. Ali Yankovic. I don't know. I like to ask this of people.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's a great question. I hate. So that's a great question, too, but that is a great question. And sometimes it's hard to think of.

[Brian Green]

Like, yeah, the, like, uncle making a joke. I mean, I don't know. Like, you know, I'd like to find out what. What gets. What do people remember lighting that fire for? Comedy, Right. Oh, my God, that's funny. I like that. I wish I could do that, you know, it's funny.

[Chris Hoadley]

Someone. I had an interview last week and they asked me, like, who am I? Like, early comedy mentors. I was like. I mean, I didn't, like, we didn't watch Stand up in my house. I didn't really know what stand up was until I didn't get older.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

We didn't watch snl. We didn't, like, we would watch, like, ABC sitcoms.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

My mom loved Reba, you know, or like. Right. Those. Those kind of shows. Or King of the Hill.

[Brian Green]

King of the. King of Queens.

[Chris Hoadley]

King of Queens, Yeah. Like those shows that we watched, like, during dinner or whatever. And that was our. That was our comedy.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Chris Hoadley]

And I think as I got older, even actually when I was. When I was young, I think I was really drawn to the. The person in the room who was commanding the room and high control over the people of the room with comedy.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Like, their ability to, like, the ease. Mainly ease the tension.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Chris Hoadley]

In the room. Like, it just felt like such a superpower. Yeah. To be able to have the right timing to make. To make someone laugh at a funeral.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Or to, you know, when we're all sitting around eating dinner just to, like, add that reprieve for a moment, especially if something's heavy or whatever. Yeah. It helps those people in my life growing up, and sometimes it was like kids in school, like, even like kids my own age who were just really funny. I like, think of a few in my head of just like some boys and girls who were just like. They had that cadence and they made me feel good and I was like, that's what I want.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

So it was more real people in my life that I could viscerally feel that feeling from them than like, you.

[Brian Green]

Know, any kind of like George Carlin.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

It was more. It was more what I was experiencing than what I was seeing. And then as I got older, I started really appreciating more comedy. And I'm just now, like, learning about older comedians and appreciating older comedians and trying to, like, watch more stand up, because it wasn't a part of my experience for a while.

[Brian Green]

We watched a lot of snl. My dad was a big fan of snl and he was remarkably into MTV when it came out. So there was like, you know, occasionally there would be, like a comedian who would be on MTV as a guest VJ or whatever, and you would see them do a couple minutes of material And I remember getting into standup comedy, and you were probably too young for this, but we remember when Comedy Central first came on, it was clips of standup comedians doing a bit. So like two or three minutes, like, set up punchline. Set up punchline. Like a vi. Like MTV used to play videos back to back to back. No commercials. Stand up, stand up, Stand up. Stand up. For days on end. No commercials. Just like that was it. They were just putting standups, stand up comedians, not doing full shows, doing just one joke, and they would just run it and they would put their name at the bottom with the name, like the name of the joke. Like, you know, whoever Kevin Nealon talks about a cat or whatever it was. And I remember looking at that thinking that that's a very. I'm laughing at this. And it's in my daddy's too. It's a very noble thing that they're doing. They're getting up there and making a whole bunch of people laugh. Yeah, it's the first time I remember thinking that comedy, stand up, comedy specifically was a noble profession. They were. They were giving a gift to people. Like, you know, even at my young age, I remember thinking, wow, those. You know, you're taking a break there. You're getting a. You're getting relief from whatever it is that's going on in your life. So I think it's very noble. And now I think social media is just another way to convey this kind of nobility, this gift. And a lot of people do it poorly. I think you're doing it very well. A lot of people do it poorly.

[Chris Hoadley]

I mean, sometimes I do it poorly, too.

[Brian Green]

Well, I mean. Yeah, but you put out so much content, you know, there's going to be a few stinkers.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, we're the same. Not every show is like no 900 show.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, nine of the shows I think are probably listenable. Out of the 900, we're 1%.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, that's a great ratio.

[Brian Green]

Do you have trouble with any followers on social media when you have this big of a following?

[Chris Hoadley]

That's a good question. Do I have trouble with followers?

[Brian Green]

Do you have any trouble with followers? What you want to discuss people just being like, stalkers, weirdos, people being mean? I'm not sure there are people being mean. I'm sure you have people that come out of the woodwork and just say stupid. I can imagine. His name is Bob.

[Chris Hoadley]

Do you read the comments? Yeah, I kind of. It kind of depends on where I'm at. Yeah, Yeah, I tried not to do my DMs because every time I do, I'm doing it for validation. And then it feels empty. So I'm like, let's just not do it. Unless I'm asking for feedback on something. Sure.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Like, when we were, like, pitching the shows, I was like, where should we go? I will read those dms or if I'm talking about something that's really important to me that I'm going through. Like, I went off birth control and I post a lot about that just to kind of see what other people are doing for these symptoms or whatever. But besides that, I. I try to. To see, like, within the first, like, hour or two of posting, I can kind of tell from the comments whether or not something is hitting. Relatable.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Or whether some people are just like, oh, it's fine. Video. Like, they're just like, oh, this is funny because it's. Because it's supposed to be funny.

[Brian Green]

It's funny because it's supposed to be funny and because you put it up there. Because I like you.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And then. But I can, like, there's, like, people will, like, quote certain things or I'll take note of. Of what they're relating to and where they're at. Like, sometimes a lot of the characters that I do quote, unquote, I'm using air quotes. A lot of the characters that I do are like, you can either be. They can be perceived as. You can either relate to them or you can hate them.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

And it's. I'm. I always find it so curious how many people like the ratio of people who hate this person versus the ratio people who are this person or who feel like this is a very relatable thing versus, like, they hate when this thing happens.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah. And I think that's just, like, a fascinating human psyche. It is. Yeah. And moving forward, I try to make it even more ambiguous because the more people. Because if I make it seem like it's more relatable than the people who hate the person aren't gonna get anything from it.

[Brian Green]

Sure.

[Chris Hoadley]

Whatever. So I don't really have issues with followers. I don't think I'm like. I don't think I'm, like, fine with enough. I like. You see, like, famous people get it all the time. I'm like, yeah, I wish I had that.

[Brian Green]

I know.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'm like, feel free to, like, start hate campaigns.

[Brian Green]

I wish I had one stalker. Because if I had one stalker, just.

[Chris Hoadley]

One, then just one guy at my. That would be your validation.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

Really solidified.

[Brian Green]

We have Weird people that are contacting us. But I go, does this qualify as, like, fame, or does this just qualify as, like a couple of the girls that I dated in high school? You know what I'm saying?

[Chris Hoadley]

It's just math at that point. Yeah, but there's going to be at least a few.

[Brian Green]

It doesn't matter. I could be anybody. And they would be that crazy, right? Are they crazy about Brian and Chrissy, or are they just crazy in general? I'm waiting for that TCB stalker. That's what I want.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, there you go. Yeah, there you go.

[Brian Green]

But here's what's interesting, is that, you know, we get pitched a lot of people. Hey, come on, you know, come on the show. Come on the show. Come on the show. One of the things that we do that Astrid often will do is you go to someone's social media and you see who follows them. Like, who of our guests or the people that we enjoy follow them. And you have a lot of people.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, really?

[Brian Green]

People that follow you? Yes, that's correct.

[Chris Hoadley]

Who? Name them.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. Astrid, who are they? Hannah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, we love Hannah. Yeah, we love Hannah.

[Brian Green]

Hannah was one of our first interviews.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, really?

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I think she would never agree to do it a second time. But, no, she was great. She was great.

[Chris Hoadley]

Her husband.

[Brian Green]

Her husband, too. Dez. Yeah. Has been on our show a couple times, too. Gian Marco Sororisi, I think, follows you, too. If I'm not mistaken, Heather McMahon, maybe fathers.

[Chris Hoadley]

You. She goes, no, no, no, no, no.

[Brian Green]

Oh, I'm sorry. You can talk. Feel free. Go ahead and say.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'll repeat what you're saying. If what you're saying makes me look good, I'll repeat it. Yeah, I noticed the same thing with quite a lot of my friends.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

Followed you.

[Brian Green]

So there you go.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's so nice.

[Brian Green]

Well, I think it's a compliment. And then you say, well, this person is interesting to the people that we know and the people we've had on the show. So they're interesting to us. Right. They must be interesting to us. And they weren't wrong, by the way.

[Chris Hoadley]

That's. I gotta watch who I follow. Then I guess it is funny, like, how that becomes a little bit of a. Like a stamp of approval, too. Like this person.

[Brian Green]

Yes. We don't have a ton of followers, but the followers. But some of the people that follow us, I think feel. Feel good to me. Like the people who come on our show and we like and we have a good time with, they say they. They. It's like a. It's. I don't want to say it is some sort of validation, but then it's also like a little bit of social credit. Like, hey, I liked you. I'm gonna follow you and see what you're up to.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You know, down the road. Now, question about your. One of your social media posts.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, no.

[Brian Green]

I am one of the guys who does that whole Theo von Bro pose when you, you.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh, you pop out the two fingers, the single finger.

[Brian Green]

I don't know what I do. I do, but I do something stupid with my hands, I put them in my pocket.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, right. Because.

[Brian Green]

Why do we do that?

[Chris Hoadley]

Because you're insecure about what to do with your hands.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, because I'm insecure in general about taking photographs. I think that's what it is.

[Chris Hoadley]

I mean, but we, but girls do like, we'll do a squat or we'll do like a hands on. Yeah, yeah. No one can take a photo without. No, you have to do something about it. Otherwise they're just sitting, they're just. Yes. Limp and sitting there.

[Brian Green]

From the age of, let's say 18 to maybe 26 or 27, I think there might be three known photographs of me. I avoided at all cost, any photographs. And that's not even a joke. I do have some un. Like I have some. Those disposable cameras that I haven't gotten taken to the film place yet. And I'm sure there's some photographs in there, but I think I missed that generation of people who had phones, cameras directly in their hands at all times, where a lot of the people I know are so used to taking photographs all the time, the selfies and all that. So I feel very uncomfortable when someone. Even after all the photographs that have been taken for the commercial break, I still feel uncomfortable about it. It doesn't make me feel.

[Chris Hoadley]

Well, are you uncomfortable about the photo or are you, when you're taking the photo, thinking about how this is going to be perceived, like, because me, I jump immediately to, okay, if my worst enemy saw this, would they have something to actually make fun of? Yeah, it's very subconscious.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

But I feel like that's what permeates whenever you're doing anything. It also feels so like taking a photo of yourself. Having someone take a photo of you.

[Brian Green]

So weird.

[Chris Hoadley]

It feels so self indulgent.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

It's literally how we tell time. It's. It's been since the, since the dawn of eras.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

We've been, you know, taking note of the things that we do in Some way, shape or form. This is our versus our society's version of just like Cron chronicling.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

But we are so ashamed of it.

[Brian Green]

I know, it's so weird. Yeah, you're right about that. Like, people are putting, like, pictures of themselves on, you know, the caves and the cavemans. And it's a way of denoting that moment in time. Our age, our moment, our history. We're essentially. And now we can chronicle every moment of our lives. And I once heard a Buddhist monk say, there's no yesterday, there's no tomorrow. It's this and that's it. You get one day, right? That's it. Forget about that. Forget about this. It's all. It's all. This sounds nice in theory, but we're human. Like, I'm not a Buddhist monk. I'm a dude, right?

[Chris Hoadley]

For them, there's only today.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. For them there's only today because. Run down and grab some grains of rice and hand it to your neighbor. But for me, I gotta take fucking photographs for the podcast. It just makes me feel so uncomfortable. But that was an absolutely relatable post because I see every one of the guys on my Instagram. I see them all making that stupid same fucking pose. And I'm like, she's so right about that. Guys don't know what to do with themselves when it comes to a photograph. We just don't.

[Chris Hoadley]

Nobody does. But I think it's. I think it's. I. I don't. I think we're better about this, but I think especially. Especially when I was growing up and I'm sure when you guys were like, it is. It does feel. Taking a photo feels vain. It feels vapid. It shouldn't. Again, we're. We have to, like, it really cements, like a time, but it just feels vapid no matter what. But I think for some reason, like, women in society were. Were almost given permission to feel a little more self conscious. No, no.

[Brian Green]

Feel a little bit more vain.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're given. I think for men, they're given less rope to feel that sanity. And so I think it probably compounds when you're taking a photo and you're like, all right, how do I make this seem like the most casual. I don't give a shit. I'm just gonna do this thing with my hands as opposed to making it look like I care. By posing. Yeah. I think women get away with it. It's all. We all have the same insecurities.

[Brian Green]

Sometimes I wish I could tap into my. A little Bit of my gay and like, pop out a hip, you know what I'm saying?

[Chris Hoadley]

Tap in your gay.

[Brian Green]

Pop up and just get. If I could tap into a little bit more of my gay, then I think I'd be better this practice.

[Chris Hoadley]

If we could all.

[Brian Green]

A little bit more of our guest.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think it would be happier.

[Brian Green]

Listen, what. So now where are you going to go with the show? What's the next.

[Chris Hoadley]

You're here in Atlanta coming up, right? Coming to Atlanta City Winery. I think this will come up before. When will this come out?

[Brian Green]

In a couple weeks.

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay, great. Yeah. You're September for the City Winery. We're doing September City Winery. Let's see if. Congratulations. That's a great venue.

[Brian Green]

That's a great venue.

[Chris Hoadley]

It's right down the street from where I live. I just saw it yesterday.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And it's a gorgeous venue. I'm a little, like, scared to fill it up.

[Brian Green]

Big. It's big. We'll come. We'll come soon.

[Chris Hoadley]

There's a ton of people. Yeah. And there's a ton of people in that area. That's a great new area. With.

[Brian Green]

If it's at the City Winery, some people are just gonna show up because it's the City Winery. That's what I'm thinking.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, we'll come for sure. Okay. Oh, my God. I'd love that. But yeah, so we're doing another show in Nashville, Atlanta, and then Chicago. We'll do Chicago and then Atlanta, Austin, Louisiana. And then hoping to do maybe one or two other shows, like later in the year. Fantastic. It's a Delaney tour. But. Yeah. No, but those are some big markets, though.

[Brian Green]

This is where it starts.

[Chris Hoadley]

This is the test.

[Brian Green]

The burner phones of the world and all that stuff, they started somewhere, too, in these small venues just doing that. And look now, I don't know, Madison Square Garden. Where is she playing? I'm not even sure. Hannah's truly amazing, but this is how it all. And if you can prove that you can fill some seats, then the promoter goes to the next level, right?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

And that's it. And you have the social media following to fill some of these places. There's no doubt about it. I mean, that's the scary part about the promoters, though. You know, they come to you. I don't know if you're. If you're working with a promoter.

[Chris Hoadley]

I'm assuming my manager does it all.

[Brian Green]

Okay. So anyway, the promoter comes to you and he says, hey, listen, here's five venues. Go see if you can sell tickets. And if you can sell tickets, then we'll be happy to give you a check and, you know, you move on to the next one or whatever your deal is. But that's the scary part about it, is you look at the numbers on your podcast or on your social media and you go, oh, yeah, I could definitely do that. But can I do that in one city on that particular night is a different question altogether. Right.

[Chris Hoadley]

And will people. And will people even want to, like, do people see me in a way that they're like, I want to see what she has to say in person.

[Brian Green]

Right.

[Chris Hoadley]

Or are they like, no, she stays in my little square and she feels safe there. And I'm hoping. I'm hoping that that's not the case.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

I can be like, I want to at least see what it is. Right, Right. And I think this show, I didn't want to do, like, sketches from the Internet in. In my live show. I think that's great. Yeah, that's great for them. And I think it's a great, like, one to one, people know exactly what they're getting. This is not any characters I've done online. This is not anything really familiar to that. It's the same sense of humor.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

It's me.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Chris Hoadley]

And it's supposed to be relatable, hopefully. But I wanted to give something that was more and different in my brain, more and different than what people have seen before, so that I have the thing that I do online. I have who I am in this little box, and then I have this other thing that I have in front of you, and I'm giving in two separate ways. I think that's a great strategy to an audience.

[Brian Green]

I think that's the smartest strategy, because if you're doing the same thing you're doing online, the next time they come into town, they're gonna go, I can just look at her social media.

[Chris Hoadley]

Right. What's the. The reason to get out? Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But if you show range. Right. I'm sure as an actor, it's always about range. Range. If you show range and they say, oh, I got something completely unexpected, which was the same thing we ran into. We're doing our live shows. Do we give them what they. What they're used to, which is an hour of the commercial break, brand new. Or do we give them something completely different? Or mix the two together?

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And so make it familiar enough that it gets that they know who they're. What they're doing. But then I think it's a very smart idea to do something different. Because then you have legs and you can run with it. The next time people will go, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't get what I expected, and I liked it. And so now I'm going to go to the next one.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

So. Okay.

[Chris Hoadley]

So smart. So great.

[Brian Green]

We really. This is our first live in person interview with someone that we don't know.

[Chris Hoadley]

Let'S put it that way. Okay, great.

[Brian Green]

I think you have been wonderful. Yes.

[Chris Hoadley]

Thank you for our.

[Brian Green]

I think you get an A plus, guys.

[Chris Hoadley]

This was lovely.

[Brian Green]

I think you'll get an invite back. This is lovely. I'm glad this all worked out, that you got to come to the Odyssey studio.

[Chris Hoadley]

I am so happy that this worked out and that we could do this, and I would love to come back and thank you for having me. Well, thank you and good luck to you. We're excited to see you again in September. You guys have to come.

[Brian Green]

We'll come in.

[Chris Hoadley]

Comments?

[Brian Green]

Yes, 100%.

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay. It's way down the street from me, too. Okay, good.

[Brian Green]

Courtney, Michelle. I will put all of her links in the show notes, all the appropriate links down in her show notes. You can find her on social media. You can catch her live if you're in one of the.

[Chris Hoadley]

The.

[Brian Green]

The lucky towns that gets to see her show. Thank you very much, Courtney. We appreciate it.

[Chris Hoadley]

Thank you guys so much. Rachel here while Brian takes his old man bladder to the little boys room. Let's talk turkey. TCB needs your help. If you love the show, do us.

[Brian Green]

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[Chris Hoadley]

And we know you care, don't you? Well, don't you? Oh, that was some childhood trauma rearing its ugly head.

[Brian Green]

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[Chris Hoadley]

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[Brian Green]

I'm gonna go help Brian get back.

[Chris Hoadley]

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[Brian Green]

I think that went surprisingly well, Chrissy.

[Chris Hoadley]

I cannot believe how well that went.

[Brian Green]

And I. I don't think I creeped her out once I kept the cringe factor down to a one.

[Chris Hoadley]

You did a wonderful job.

[Brian Green]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Chris Hoadley]

Astrid watching.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Astrid. Without Astrid, who knows what would have happened. Courtney Michelle was absolutely delightful and I do have to say I really enjoyed recording here actually. All the people at of Odyssey have made a great. And this is a fantastic facility.

[Chris Hoadley]

Professional studio.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I just said to assert. I said this is like. This is so much better than our studio at home which she designed. So I'll be in the doghouse paying many husband points for that. That later on tonight. I'm sure I'll be doing a honeydew list very long tonight. Anyway, Courtney Michelle, she was wonderful.

[Chris Hoadley]

Thank you.

[Brian Green]

You know what I've noticed? I don't know why I do this, but I tend to go deep on. On a lot of our guests.

[Chris Hoadley]

You do?

[Brian Green]

Why do I do that? Isn't this a comedy show? I know Buddhist monk Ram Dass and I'm not even sure it was Ram Dass childhood.

[Chris Hoadley]

Yeah, so.

[Brian Green]

So how is your mother?

[Chris Hoadley]

You never know what you're going to get.

[Brian Green]

I'm trying to get them to cry because I see that gets clicks on social media. That's what I'm doing. I want to be important, but I don't want to talk about politics because fuck politics because we're all fucked and no one seems to care about. Anyway. Courtney Michelle is absolutely lovely. You can find her on social media. You can catch her live in Chicago, Austin, Nashville, Atlanta. I think she said Miami, Louisiana somewhere. Anyway, all that information is down in the show notes. We certainly would appreciate it if you would go and follow her and then check out her live show. I think we should go.

[Chris Hoadley]

We're going.

[Brian Green]

We have a long list of shows to go to this fall with our guests, but we should try and make it to at least some of them. Yeah, some people we just tell them we're going to go to their show and hope that they give us free tickets. And then other people we're going to go to their show and I think Courtney might be one of them.

[Chris Hoadley]

What do you think that venue she's performing?

[Brian Green]

Oh, the City Winery is lovely. Lovely. I wish I drank still because isn't don't they sell wine there at the winery?

[Chris Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

All right. There you go. That's the gig. 212-4333 tcb 212-433-3822 questions, comments, concerns, content, ideas. We take them all right there. So many of you writing in about poly couch cushions.

[Chris Hoadley]

Oh God. My, my God.

[Brian Green]

We'll get back to what a character. We'll get back to him. But if you have any comments or concerns or questions about this interview with Cody and Michelle, let us know. We'll pass the message along to nobody. There you go. TCB podcast.com all the audio, all the video right there from one location and your free TCB sticker available only to you and 30,000 other people who are on a coupon site. Add the commercial break on Instagram YouTube.com the commercial break for all the videos the same day they air here on the audio. Okay, Chrissy, I guess that's all I can do for today.

[Chris Hoadley]

I think so.

[Brian Green]

I'll tell you that I love you.

[Chris Hoadley]

And I love you best to you.

[Brian Green]

And best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, Chrissy and I will say, we do say and we must say goodbye.

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