TCB Infomercial: Kathleen Madigan

Summary

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The Commercial Break: TCB Infomercial—Kathleen Madigan

Episode Date: March 11, 2025
Hosts: Bryan Green & Chrissy Hoadley
Guest: Kathleen Madigan (comedian)

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Episode Overview

This lively, irreverent installment of TCB Infomercial brings acclaimed comedian Kathleen Madigan to the “Cheesecake Factory of comedy podcasts.” Hosts Bryan and Chrissy dive into Madigan’s storied comedic career, her Midwestern sensibilities, life on the road, brushes with industry legends, and comedic philosophies. Their banter covers everything from bad gigs and family dynamics to the evolution of comedy and surviving the pandemic alongside fellow comics. Throughout, Madigan’s signature dry wit and self-deprecating humor make for an engaging, relatable listen.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Anecdotes & Trusting Her Family ([00:00–01:19])

• Madigan tells a quintessentially family joke about trusting her nurse mother and blindly taking unidentified medication, underscoring her blend of familial trust and skepticism:
  • Kathleen Madigan: “’Cause you’re not somebody I met at a party. You were my mom. You were a nurse for 30 years. I bought the whole story.” ([00:00])

2. The Surrealism of Stand-Up at Scale ([01:19–02:08], [20:48–22:46])

• They discuss the bizarre nature of being alone on stage for thousands:
  • Madigan: “…If you think about it too hard, you will run away… Just act like it’s the Funny Bone. Just walk out and do what you do.” ([01:29], [21:26])
• On nerves: Madigan only gets pre-show jitters at corporate gigs due to uninvested audiences ([22:08]).

3. Reflecting on Comedy’s “Golden Era” ([02:55–04:42])

• The crew reminisces about Comedy Central’s early days and Madigan’s trajectory alongside comedy titans (Seinfeld, Chris Rock, Lewis Black).
• Insight: It used to be “comedian after comedian, after comedian” on Comedy Central—now, things are much different.

4. Longevity in Comedy, Selling Out Theaters, and Retirement ([07:38–10:23], [23:02–24:44])

• Madigan’s still selling out big venues after 35 years on the road, raising questions about when, if ever, a comic actually retires.
• Being a stand-up requires constant evolution: “You can’t do the same act over and over again.” ([09:45])

5. Kathleen’s Life in Nashville—And Surviving Tennessee Quirks ([14:19–16:18])

• Madigan describes life in Tennessee without a basement (“too much dynamite required”), offering comic observations on tornado prep, local rivers, and toxic bass.
  • Notable: “I ate a bass out of here like two years ago. I’m fine.” ([16:13])

6. The Solitude of Stand-Up vs. Team Performances ([17:01–20:15])

• Prefers solo stand-up over teamwork-required forms like improv or figure-skating duos:
  • Madigan: “…If we’re going to win, I’m winning. If I lose, I lose...” ([19:29])
• Her material tends to emerge from “the night I’m in,” rather than spiraling after a bad show.

7. Tour Life: Pet Peeves and Enjoyments ([23:42–26:00])

• Loves being on the road everywhere—Chicago or small towns—as long as she avoids flights and airports.
• Acting (“the craft of it”) holds no appeal to her, referencing being dragged onto the ‘Big Bang Theory’ set by Lewis Black.

8. Lewis Black, Robin Williams, and Comedic Influence ([26:13–36:48])

• Tales of meeting and growing alongside industry icons—
  • Lewis Black: “the weirdest person I think I ever initially met…Not doing traditional standup… but I loved it.” ([26:56])
  • Robin Williams: “He was very sweet and soft spoken. I actually preferred his serious work over the comedy, because the comedy was too frenetic for me.” ([36:16])
• Humorous Midwest vs. “big barking dog” energy: How style adapts to location.

9. Family in the Act: Boundaries and Permissions ([37:41–42:44])

• Madigan only tells stories her family will tolerate. Sometimes asks permission for “edgier” bits, and discusses networks’ odd legal paranoia:
  • On Amazon special contracts: “I’ve been making fun of my parents for 35 years. ...they’ll probably open the email in 2027.” ([41:10])

10. Changing Comedy Trends—Sticking to Her Voice ([46:52–51:54])

• Reflections on trends: “clean” vs “dirty” comedy, the pressure on women to shock for attention, and authenticity:
  • “I’m going on stage and being who I am. Take it or leave it… I cuss. …Words don’t matter. It’s the person receiving the words—it’s on you.” ([47:26], [49:21])

11. Comics Hanging Out: Pandemic Reflections ([52:52–56:13])

• During COVID, Madigan spent weeks “seamlessly slipping into retirement” with Ron White, emphasizing that the forced break let her enjoy golf, fishing, and outdoorsy downtime.
  • “I love the road, but this is awesome. I might get a cat. This is crazy. I’ve never been home for more than two weeks in a row...” ([52:58])

12. The South, the Midwest, and Culturally Specific Humor ([58:04–61:05])

• Contrasting COVID lockdowns—South/Midwest vs NYC lockdowns (“more unleashed”), what makes for regional success, and what she chooses to riff on stage.

13. Kathleen's Never-Ending Tour & Podcasting ([61:27–62:54])

• Her tour continues year-round, with new dates constantly added.
• Plug for her “Pubcast” weekly podcast, plus a quick behind-the-scenes on her podcast producer’s anonymity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the perpetual nature of touring:
  “How long’s the tour? …So far, 35 years.” —Madigan ([23:33])

• On taking advice from comedy legends:
  “The job says stand-up comedy. Standing up. It doesn’t say walk around.” —Madigan ([33:03])

• On Midwest sensibility:
  “I’m edgy in my own Midwest polite way. Yes, but you have to be looking for it. …I’m tricking people sometimes.” ([31:42])

• On family legalities:
  “They were like, ‘could you get them to sign a disclosure?’… You know what? I’m going to give you their cell phone number. If they answer, which they won’t… I’m not doing that.” —Madigan ([41:30])

• On Ron White during the pandemic:
  “After a week of it, he goes, ‘Matty, isn’t it just amazing how seamlessly we’ve slipped into retirement?’” ([53:17])

• On corporate gigs:
  “There’s gonna be four shows that went fine, but two are bullets to your soul. And they will kill you.” —Madigan ([22:28])

• On comedy etiquette:
  “Words don’t matter. It’s the person receiving the words—it’s on you.” ([47:38])

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Key Timestamps

| Time | Segment/Topic | |---------|--------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Trusting Mom’s “nurse” advice | | 14:23 | Living in Tennessee—tornadoes/chemicals | | 17:01 | Worst gigs & rebounding after bad nights | | 20:48 | The scale of standup and handling nerves | | 23:02 | Starting out—Funny Bone in St. Louis | | 26:13 | Acting vs. Stand-up; Lewis Black stories | | 33:18 | Madigan on Robin Williams & performance | | 37:41 | Using family in material; network legalese | | 46:52 | Trends in comedy: Clean/dirty, authenticity| | 52:52 | Pandemic—hangs with Ron White, coping | | 61:27 | Upcoming tour, podcasts, final plugs |

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Tone & Takeaways

The vibe is warm, unscripted, and brimming with sharp, observational humor. Madigan fits seamlessly into the TCB universe—her comedy is self-aware, quietly biting, and distinctly Midwestern. Her wisdom for comics old and new: stay authentic, keep evolving, and don’t overthink the size of the room—or the latest trend.

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Where to Find Kathleen

• Tour dates, tickets, & merch: kathleenmadigan.com
  • Never Ending Tour—dates year-round
• Podcast: Pubcast (available everywhere)
• Specials: Netflix, Amazon Prime, YouTube, Comedy Central, etc.

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Kathleen Madigan remains a hilarious, grounded force in American comedy—someone who, as Bryan puts it, “sneaks the edge in the back door.” Whether she’s riffing on family, the business of comedy, or simply fishing on a Tennessee lake, Madigan’s voice is unmistakable and enduring.

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Transcript

[Kathleen Madigan]

My mom was a nurse for 30 years. She's retired. I said, out of nowhere, while we're pushing a cart, God, I have a splitting sinus headache. She goes, oh, here. And roots through a giant purse and goes, take this. And I took it. And about a second later, I hear, oh. I said, what? What was that all about? She goes, you swallow that? Yep, sure did. Swallow. What color was it? I don't know, Mom. I don't know. I didn't look at what color it was. Kathleen, why didn't you look at what color the pill was? Why? Why? Cause you're not somebody I met at a party. You were my mom. You were a nurse for 30 years. I bought the whole story.

[Brian Green]

I did.

[Kathleen Madigan]

I trusted you. I ate it blind. I just ate it blind.

[Brian Green]

On this episode of the commercial break, there's these, you know, thousands of people that are watching you, and it's just you with a microphone. Microphone. That's it. That's got to be a strange sensation.

[Kathleen Madigan]

If you think about it too hard, you will run away. You would just go, this is crazy. What do we do? You know, I started at a funny bone, you know, in a mall. Like, did you maybe 50 people on a Monday night, you know, not like, this is crazy.

[Brian Green]

It.

[Kathleen Madigan]

You can't overthink it. Me and Ron White always talk about that. He's like, you can't think about. Just act like it's the funny bone. Just walk out and do what you do. And I'm like, yeah. I mean, I've never freaked out enough to actually think about running away. But if thought about it too long, you might. The next episode of the commercial break starts now.

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best of you, Chris. Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Thanks for joining us. Here we are. And yet another Tuesday morning or Tuesday afternoon or whenever you're listening to this. It's a TCB infomercial Tuesday with noted storied comedian Kathleen Madigan coming in. This one is years in the making, actually, for us. Yeah, we've been trying to get Kathleen on the show for a very long time, and we're super excited that our schedules collided in the universe, and we're finally now getting Kathleen in here. Kathleen has been around for a very long time. I don't want to date her. She's a young lady. But I still want to share that she's grown up with some of the best.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Oh, God.

[Brian Green]

The Jerry Seinfelds of the world. Lewis Black, Mitch Hedberg. Jerry Seinfeld. Did I already say Jerry Seinfeld? I'll say it twice. Jerry Seinfeld. Because, you know, he's a big deal. Chris Rock, she's been around for a very long time.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Tons of specials, tons of touring.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, she's. She grew. I think she kind of hit her stride during the Comedy Central boom, when Comedy Central actually had comedians on.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah, that's how it started.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that's how it started. That's how Comedy Central started.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Comedy Central used to be three to five minute clips like MTV was. Videos. Three to five minutes. Comedy Central, 24 hours a day would do nothing but play little sets from stand up comedians. They would go in, they would record a set, they would cut it up, they would put it on in rotation. And I will always remember when Comedy Central came on the television watching that endlessly, like just watching comedian after comedian after comedian. I think at first they didn't even have commercials. It was just them doing comedians, which was really cool. But, oh, how things have changed. I mean, Comedy Central is still a good channel, whatever. They still have good comedy shows. But Kathleen is here and I can't wait to dig into, you know, some of her. I. Whenever somebody comes out like Lewis Black or Margaret Cho or Kathleen Madigan, when you have someone who's been around for a long time, you get to dig into some of the dirt, like figure out, you know, they've been around long enough to see some things happen. And so I get curious about what was it like when. Who is your favorite? What did you do? Where did you go?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

How things change.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. How are things changed? Yeah. And you know, listen, when you're an old codger like me, when you're old coot like Brian and you want to reminisce about the old days. Yeah. It's like just two people sitting around the retirement home remembering. Remembering when, you know, when I go to my mom's retirement home and they're always playing that old music and I, every time I go there, like I went there the other day, you think about Pearl Jam. I think about Pearl Jam being played. Yeah. Pearl Jam is now classic rock. It is. I'm not even kidding. I heard Alive on a classic rock radio station. This is a couple months ago. We went down to Florida to have my surgery. And so they didn't have Sirius in the car. So I just.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Not Danya Beach.

[Brian Green]

Not Danya, Not Danya Beach. Not Dania Beach. Daniel Point.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Daniel Point.

[Brian Green]

Oh, my God. There's still people asking about that. Did I miss the Dania Point shows? Yes, you did. But good news. So did we. We also additionally missed the Daniel Point show. No, there's no Daniel Point on the. Not on the calendar yet, but we're getting there. First we're going to do a Netflix show and then to Daniel Point. You might be waiting a while.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I was laughing so hard. We get a group text going the other night. I was laughing so hard thinking about Daniel Point. I was like, your family.

[Brian Green]

I know. They still. I think they are still waiting. Here's the funny part. I mean, this is kind of adjacent, I guess, to Kathleen Madigan Said. She's like, that's what she does. She's just stand up. The funny thing is we were going to go to Daniel Point, and it's close to where a lot of Astrid's family lives. So they bought a bunch of tickets and God bless them. And they have no fucking clue what the commercial break is all about. They have no idea. They think it's just some fun project Brian's got going on on the side. They still think I'm in real est. And so. And I'll keep it that way as long as possible.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, keep that perception going.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that's right. So we canceled those Daniel Point shows because I was not feeling well. But we still managed to make it to Spain a couple weeks before my surgery to go to the. Go to a wedding that I talked about. And everybody, and I mean everybody is like, oh, I got tickets to your show. When is the. You know, when are you changing the show for? And I'm like, oh, hold on tight.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Keep those same in a drawer.

[Brian Green]

That's right. I'm not even sure cell phones will be a thing anymore by the time we get to Daniel Point. Take a. Take a screenshot. We'll get to it, I promise. So anyway, I'm really interested to talk to Kathleen because I know she's been around the block and she's seen a few things, and I like to dig in. I like to dig into that stuff. You know, we have a lot of. We have a lot of new comics that come on. I say new comics. They've been doing it for a long time, but they're just kind of hitting their stride. And Kathleen's been doing this for a long time. One thing I've noticed about Kathleen, following her on social media is that she sells out theaters. I mean, she's doing theaters. And to be a comic she's got.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

A big fan base.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And to be a comic for that long and still be selling out theaters is, you know, it's, there's got to be a real sense of accomplishment about that. You've hit it, you've done it, you, you're moving into your, you know, the later stage of your life and you're still selling out theaters. I wonder if you ever, like when you're a stand up comic like that, do you think about retirement or do you, you know, like here with the commercial break and this is not a joke. I've actually thought about this. Like, how long can we actually do this?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I thought about it too.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Do we go to we're 55. Do we go to, we're 60. I mean, I guess that largely depends on how little money we make over the next couple of years. But it's like how long do we do this before we just say, okay, I think we're too old to be doing a comedy podcast that's any, that's at all relevant. I, you know.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Well, we'll see.

[Brian Green]

It might be next year, right?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

It might be dictate.

[Brian Green]

Well, the market is already spoken, Chrissy. The market has already spoken. We're just not listening. So kathleenmadigan.com is where you can get tickets to her tour. She's on the Never Ending Tour. This is not like Kathleen is is doing a tour. It's not Ari Shafir. She's not going away next year to go on long. Yeah. It's not a farewell tour. She is doing this all the time. So it's likely she's going to somewhere near you. Kathleen is really funny. If you go check out.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Tickets are on sale this week, right?

[Brian Green]

Tickets are on sale this week for her fall tour. She is currently on her spring tour, spring and summer tour. And I was just looking. There's like 26 more dates still available for the spring summer tour. I'm sure she takes a little bit of a break and then she'll do the fall tour and that's going to be extensive. Also she has many specials available. You can go to kathleen madigan.com she's got netflix specials, Amazon specials, comedy central specials, YouTube specials. She's got all kind of material out there. And she's really funny. She's got that midwestern charm and politeness with a very witty and edgy sense of humor. You have to be good at what you're doing to do it for 30 plus years and love what you're doing, I would think. Oh, yeah. For sure.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

And you can tell.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I mean, like some other folks we've had here or some comedians who have been doing this for a long time. Chris Rock, you know, Jerry Seinfeld. You have to be really good, and you have to really enjoy the art and craft of standup. And that is not easy because, like, we've talked about with so many comedians on this show, this is not Led Zeppelin. You don't get to go and play your greatest hits. You have to keep coming up with new material. If Kathleen wants to sell out some shows in Chicago in 2025 and then do it again in 2026, you just can't do the same act over and over again.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

People are gonna constantly be coming up with fresh, new material.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Evolve. But the thing about Kathleen is she kind of reminds me of a. Ants.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. She's got that same sense of humor. It's dry, it's witty, it's funny. She makes up words, you know, like, she makes up words for things. She calls people by little, like terms of endearment. But it's really not a term of endearment. You know, a little chicken.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Bless your heart.

[Brian Green]

Bless your heart. Little chicken. And it's just not. Not. It's not in the term of endearment. It's a term of biting and cunning. And she is just like my aunts in that way. It reminds me so much. She actually reminds me of one, specifically, my aunt Sandy, who has since passed, who was one of the funniest ladies ever. And Sandy had the entire family convinced, but not talking about the lady she lived with for 47 years of her life was just her best friend. It was just her best friend.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

It was such a Catholic thing to do. Yeah, it was so Catholic. I mean, short hair. Both of them. Short hair. They would work out together. They had naked statues of women everywhere around their house. They both drove a Jaguar. This. I have never seen a more lesbian couple in my entire life. But no one ever said it out loud. And everyone pretended like they were just best friends living together. And that's what they told the kids. Oh, they're best friends. They live together now. I also lived with my best friend, too, who was a guy, but that lasted for about six months until the apartment got too smelly, too full of beer can. Too much. Too much biohazard material around. And then we. Until we forgot to pay rent, and then we got kicked out. I mean, this was not that. These two were definitely married essentially, for so many years, and it was a loving relationship, but The. And I'm not saying that's Kathleen. That's not what I'm. I'm not saying she's trying to hide the fact of anything, but she. But Aunt Sandy was so funny because I think she had this different perspective on life, and her comedy was sly, biting under. It was just quiet. It was quiet comedy. And if you didn't, if you weren't picked, she was so smart, too. And if you weren't picking up on it, then you may not have known that Aunt Sandy was actually making fun of you. But I quickly caught onto it, and I loved it. Everything about Aunt Sandy was awesome to me. I really enjoyed it, including the statues of the naked ladies all around her house.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That's true.

[Brian Green]

It was my favorite house to go to. And I don't think my mom brought us over there very often because of all the naked ladies hanging around, all the pictures and portraits of nude women all around the house. Anyway, you get what I'm saying. Okay. Kathleenmadigan.com links in the show notes. Chrissy, let's do this. Why do we not take a break? And then when we get back through the magic of this awkward transition phase and telepodcasting, we'll bring Kathleen Madigan on from wherever in the world she is. I think Nashville. We'll grab her, we'll talk to her. We'll keep her here as long as we can. Like a hostage situation. We'll keep her here just as long as we can.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Brian Green]

All right. We'll be back with Kathleen Foreign.

[Rachel]

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[Brian Green]

And thank you, Kathleen, for joining us. We really appreciate it. How are you?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Hello.

[Kathleen Madigan]

I'm good. I'm good. I'm trying to figure out where I'm going to hide from a tornado tonight with my bottle of Jameson and a hockey.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

There you go. The important things.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Because I don't have a basement in Tennessee. Because they said it would cost too much money to blow up all that rock.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You can't dig in the rock.

[Kathleen Madigan]

No. When they call it Rocky Top, that song's not kidding. That's. That's real.

[Brian Green]

What do you got under you? What's under there? That's granite under there. Or what's going on down there?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Hard white rock. That's all I know. Like, to build a basement would be like an extra 200 grand because of the dynamite.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Don't do it. Yeah. It's not. It's not worth it.

[Kathleen Madigan]

You think?

[Brian Green]

95.

[Kathleen Madigan]

5 rule, right? I might die.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

95 chance I won't.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You could get struck by a bus tomorrow, though. So you take your chances. Where? You know, $200,000. That's a lot of money. That could go to use somewhere else, right? You get a pool. I mean, you get a pool for 200. You got a pool over there in Nashville?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah, I got a pool. That wasn't cheap either. That was a big dynamite. That was a big blast.

[Brian Green]

You'll be fine from the tornado. Do you live in the city of Nashville? Are you, like, city proper?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Well, Davidson county, but I'm not like. I'm not downtown. I'm out by the airport, which is even better. It's only eight minutes door to door from the airport. But it's on a lake, which is really a river. I've come to figure out Tennessee. We. We all have different definitions of lakes.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

This is a working river. Like, barges come through and stuff. Oh, yeah. And I was fishing, like, three coves over, and they're actually. Actually cows in it. So, you know, they came down to get a drink and they went all the way in. But I just wouldn't wear your best swimming suit here. Probably not. Not a white one. Not a white one. Just. Yeah. I mean, I'll still get in and I. I'll still eat, although I probably should. There's a DuPont chemical factory. Not.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Oh, God.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah, I know. But I ate a bass out of here like two years ago. I'm fine.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, you're still alive and you're looking great. Hey, you know, Chattahoochee river is very much the same way. We've talked about this on the show. The Chattahoochee, which runs through Atlanta. The Chattahoochee coochie. All the way down there, there's, you know, they have. They find cows floating in there. Like upside down cows floating in there. You just don't want to eat anything that comes out of the river. And the people who tube down those rivers, they're young and they have immune systems that can deal with it. Not us.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah, snakes. The good thing, though, if you're on a river, the snakes are less likely than a man made lake where they get very comfortable in those coves.

[Brian Green]

They sit there for years.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah, for years and years. And the water vaccas are. They're violent, they're aggressive. And here, the river part at least keeps everything moving.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

So, yeah.

[Brian Green]

You have been doing stand up comedy for a. A lot of years. And I wanted to ask you a question.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Has there ever been a time or a gig, like a specific thing you could think about where you were just like, holy shit, I'm gonna. This is the worst. I'm quitting. I'm done with this. This sucks. I've had the worst night of my life or run of my life, and this is it. I'm wondering because, you know, some of the comics that we talk to are fresh face comics. Right. And that they don't have the experience behind them. I think maybe to experience those ups and downs. But there has there been a moment when you could where you're like, holy shit, I'm done with this.

[Kathleen Madigan]

No, I would have. I would never go beyond the night I'm in. But that's just. That's kind of how I live all my entire life. Like, I. There have been nights or a corporate gig that just terrible. Like, I did one in Miami and half of them didn't speak English. I'm like, really did. It was. I think it was Deutsche Bank. I'm like, did we have to ask this on the questionnaire? Do you speak English? I thought that was a given. There have been nights that have been very frustrating. But that's the great thing about Stand up to me is that tomorrow's a brand new day. Like, this is where I was saying to my brother after the super bowl, like, if you're Patrick Mahomes, you have to wait all the way till next September to be able to correct that.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Like, you have to sit with a bad show for months and months and months and months and months versus stand up. Okay, say I suck tonight. Right. I'll. I'll go tomorrow. Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That's a whole new day.

[Kathleen Madigan]

It's a. It's a very lucky position to be in because a lot of people, whether it's sports or just other entertainment, it's. It's for. You don't get that chance the next night.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, no, it's true. And, And. And also, you depend only on yourself at the end of the. At the end of the day. Right. So it's like you like Patrick Mahomes. He depends on however many other people to make sure that he wins from. From challenge from season to season. For you, you can just kind of, you know, throw some cold water on your face and say, okay, Kathleen, you know how to do this. Go up and get them. Go to get him tomorrow night.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. I like being solo because I feel like it's all on me, whether it's good or bad. I. That's why I hate improv. Like, I just don't want to rely on other people.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Like, if we're going to win, I'm winning.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

If I lose, I lose. But this whole, you know, there's six of us, and let's see what happens. And then I used to do a joke a long time ago about the figure skaters that are the pairs, and like, you know, when the other person falls, the other person's always very nice about it. And I just don't know that I could control my temper like that. Like, I might skate around just to chop off one of his fingers while he's down there and then go, yeah, so this is why we're not on the cereal box, because you couldn't keep. Keep your together. And now I don't get a medal. Like, I. I don't know that I could be that forgiving when that you. All you've done for 10 years is work on one thing.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

And then you it up. Yeah. You also say at the end of it, you also say at the end of the joke, you say, I'm skating up to those judges and goes, I don't know who that guy is. I don't know how. Why we're wearing the same thing.

[Kathleen Madigan]

That guy threw me way too far. We practiced that a million times. That was complete bullshit. And I think I deserve another chance. That would be my argument. I just Don't I like that. Stand ups all by ourselves. The only time I feel weird about it is like in the Chicago theater or something. Very large.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

I feel like, God, I don't have any dancers or like I'm only five foot tall. I just. Just don't feel like I'm enough for a stage that large. You don't seems like we're missing people.

[Brian Green]

You feel like you're like your actual physical presence. You're like, I need something to fill the stage out. That's got to be a kind of strange feeling is when you're in those, you know, wherever you are. I don't know where you're playing, but. And it's just you sitting on the stage and there's these, you know, thousands of people that are watching you and it's just you with a microphone. That's it. That's gotta be a strange sensation.

[Kathleen Madigan]

If you think about it too hard, you will run away. Like you would just go, this is crazy. What do we do? You know, I started at a funny bone in a mall. Like, did you maybe 50 people on a Monday night. You know, not like, this is crazy. You can't overthink it. Me and Ron White always talk about that. He's like, you can't think about. Just act like it's the funny bone. Just walk out and do what you do. And I'm like, yeah. I mean, I've never freaked out enough to actually think about running away. But if you thought about it too long, you might. I think if you're a normal person and not some crazy, malignant narcissist.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

I mean, you're gonna go, whoa.

[Brian Green]

Of course. Do you still get nerves?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Only at corporate gigs. And I try not to do them anymore because that. People don't understand that a corporate gig, not everybody there wanted to see comedy. They're not my fans, they're whoever they are. It's playing Russian roulette.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

There's gonna be four shows that went fine, but two are gonna be bullets to your soul.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

And they will kill you.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

And it's awful, but otherwise. No. I don't get nervous.

[Brian Green]

So I get it's good money, but it's not. It's good money, but you just don't know what you're getting. Too many X factors.

[Kathleen Madigan]

There's too much. Yeah. That's ill defined. And at this point, thankfully I make enough money. I don't need that money. So I can just. Which is great.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. You have such a long and storied career and you're still doing it very successfully. Over all of these years, you've seen comedy. When did you get started, Kathleen? When was your first gig at the Bone? The Bone?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah, the Bone. But I was lucky because I was in St. Louis and that was their headquarters back then.

[Brian Green]

Oh, okay.

[Kathleen Madigan]

So as soon as I got good enough to be an opening act, they booked me in all the funny bones twice a year. So, boom. That's a 30 week. Yeah, I started in 88, like, going to open bike nights and stuff. And then In August of 89, I went on the road, like, forever. Like, I never came back.

[Brian Green]

So.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah, you just travel constantly.

[Kathleen Madigan]

I'm sure that's why when people go, how long's the tour? I'm like, well, so far, 35 years.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Right?

[Kathleen Madigan]

I'll let you know when I put my suitcase away for real and the cat doesn't get mad at me. I'll let you know. But right now.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. We were talking about this before you came on, and I was telling the people here in the studio, I was like, I don't think Kathleen ever stops touring. I think she. Every time I look, she's doing, you know, there's another reel, there's another post. She's got another set of shows coming on. But I think that's, I guess after 35 years, that feels very normal to you. And, you know, do you enjoy that part of it, like being out and traveling, or would you rather spend more time kind of sitting and doing what you want to do?

[Chrissy Hoadley]

And do you have any true pet peeves when you're out on the road like that?

[Kathleen Madigan]

I still love the road. I don't care where it's at. I'll go anywhere. I just like. I like to see what's going on. I like to know. I don't care if it's Cedar Falls or Chicago or Minneapolis, wherever. I don't care if it's cold. I just. I like the. I don't like the. The airport part. Yeah, that's that. That part. Even if you have all the fancy stuff. Yeah. You know, I have cleared. I have TSA PreCheck.

[Brian Green]

It doesn't matter.

[Kathleen Madigan]

No, the flying first class now is really privately.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

I mean, come on.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. They put you in a room, essentially.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Right, right, right. So that part absolutely sucks. And it keeps getting worse every year. Every year. Every year. That's why when I see the older flight attendants, I know they're going to be crabby. They're my age, and they've been doing this forever. And the situation Gets colossally worse every year. People are crabby it. The planes. There's doors flying off, for Christ's sake. I mean, it's crazy. Like, I don't necess really. I never thought about, well, if I'm in the exit row, if that door flies off. I used to always go for that. Not anymore. I'm gonna sit where there's no door. So I hate that part. But I like when I get there, I have so much fun to see what's going on. So I. But I never wanted to do anything else either. Like, I know a lot of people like acting. And now I zero interest. I went one time, Lewis Black's one of my best friends and he was doing an episode of the Big Bang Theory and he made me go. I did not want to go. I'm like, lou, I'll watch it when it's on. I don't want to. Seven hours from 4 to 11. Me and his assistant drank a bottle of wine. I memorized his lines. I memorized the whole script by 11 o'clock @ night. And I'm like, was this fun for you, Lou, because you're not making good.

[Brian Green]

Money?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Like, you'd have made a lot more money going on the road this week. Like, did you enjoy that? Now he does. He likes acting. Lou's been in a bunch of movies and he likes the craft of it or whatever. We had him, I don't.

[Brian Green]

Know. Yeah, we had Lewis on. It's one of my favorite guests. He's so good at what he does.

[Kathleen Madigan]

He's. He's a ton of fun and he's got a lot of interest. He, he writes plays and I always make fun of him. I'm like, you majored in playwriting. What year was that? Like, that's like saying you're a cobbler. Who does that? Lou? And he's like, oh, they just didn't reach the Midwest, Kathleen. You don't know. There's things going on. There are things. Things going on. He's right. In New York. It's a.

[Brian Green]

Thing. Yeah, he was a playwright. His origin story is rather weird. Yeah, he had a rather strange origin story. It was like writing one act plays down in some basement in New York or something like that. Yeah. People didn't like.

[Kathleen Madigan]

It. Yeah, no, he. He's. He was the weirdest person I think I ever initially met. Like, he. We were at Catch a Rising Star in Chicago. It was like in a Hyatt. And he went up and I'm like, who is this? He is not doing Traditional stand up. I mean, I'd only been doing it maybe four years, so I wasn't. I hadn't seen everything, but I'd seen a lot and I'd seen the ones, you know, everybody, the Jeff Fox where they used to Seinfeld's in the clubs, Rich, Jenny, all those guys. And then Lou comes. I'm like, oh, he doesn't understand this format at all. But I love.

[Brian Green]

It.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Like, it was crazy. It was. It was a crazy.

[Brian Green]

Person.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. But I liked.

[Brian Green]

It. Yeah. That was when he was on Comedy Central, when he was on the Daily show, which is, I think, where a lot of people got exposed to Lewis Black and in Mass. It's just he's so cantankerous and so smart and so sharp at what he does. It's hard to ignore the brilliance in all that screaming. Right. It's. And I think for me, that just really. That was a really attractive form of comedy to me, is the way that he was doing. And he said, I used to take headlines up on stage and that's what I would do. I'd read the newspaper, I'd circle headlines. And that's how I got started. I just yell and scream. And people liked it. And he said, okay, why.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Not? I had to teach him, though. Like in the Midwest. I remember we did Omaha one time and we're. I guess we were co headlining, maybe. I said, I'll go first, you go second. I'm always. I'll go first. First one to the bar as soon as I'm done with the bar. That's true. I don't have a ego thing about being the headliner or going last. But he, he was going on stage and he was. He's always very political. And we're in Omaha, Nebraska, and he's like, I don't think it's going as well here. I said, here's the thing, Lou, it's the Midwest. We're a little polite and we'd like to. Maybe you could open your act with like something about the.

[Brian Green]

Weather.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Just a little tiny thing. Not.

[Brian Green]

Hard.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Like, yeah, you don't need to come out screaming to. George W. Bush is an asshole. Like, let's just, just maybe start with your impression on Nebraska. And he was like, yeah, you're right. I'm probably. I'm a little. I go, you're a lot for the Midwest. You're a lot. You're a big barking dog. And they don't know if you're friendly or not friendly, so come out a little friendly. He got.

[Brian Green]

It. That's a smart observation. As a guy who grew up in Chicago, you have a very familiar sense of humor, way of talking that Midwest, that flavor of Midwest comes out in you. And I think that feels very familiar to me. It's like what I grew up, up around with the, the voices that I heard and the, the kind of sharp witted but quiet and polite comedy that you do is very, Is very good. Do you. Is there a place where you feel, where your comedy feels? I guess people respond to it better. Like, when you go to the Midwest, do you feel like you get a warmer reception than you do in certain places in the country? Or does your comedy. Have you been doing this for so long, your comedy kind of resonates wherever.

[Kathleen Madigan]

You'Re. Well, that was the weird thing. I was terrified being from the Midwest. Like, my first week was the Philadelphia funny mode. And Philly, Philly to this day, is it. And they know it. Yeah, they're a hard. It's a hard city. They are hardcore. They. And I mean, I got it now, but initially I was like, are they going to laugh at the same stuff? And they did. I mean, I think always my act will be more. It will resonate more with the Midwest or South than like, I'm not very woke, but I don't like the term woke either because it implies the other side's asleep. I'm like, no, I'm like a dog on an old dog with one eye open on the couch. Yeah, I'm kind of.

[Brian Green]

Awake. You're a blue.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Dog. I'm not woke. I'm never gonna be the, the one, like, trying to, I don't know, make new waves or con convince people of anything. It's complete nonsense. Like, I view my act like the movie Arthur, which I.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Love. Oh, I love.

[Kathleen Madigan]

That. It's an hour and a half. It's an hour escape. You're not gonna probably. Well, you might learn a few things, but they won't be valuable. They'll just be. It ain't bad that, like, you.

[Brian Green]

Know, that's the new tagline for our.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Podcast. You might learn some things, but it's not.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Valuable. No, I mean, it'll help you and maybe in a fun bar conversation, but it's, it's. And a couple legal advice things I throw in there from my dad. It might help you if you're, like, getting a dui. Just keep your mouth shut. But yeah, you know, like, I'm never going to be known for, like, a lot of comics are like, oh, that's so groundbreaking or edgy or. I'm edgy in my own Midwest polite way. Yes, but you have to be looking for. You have to know exact. I'm tricking people.

[Brian Green]

Sometimes. I see what you're saying, and I agree with you. So here, the funny thing is the. The bit about the ice skating. The ice skaters. Right. And practicing all your life to do this one thing with somebody else who might fuck up. That comes from one Comedy Central specials. That was way back when. And I just watched that last night. It popped up on my YouTube and I'm like, let me. Let me watch this. Really funny. But you are edgy in your own way. But it is kind of this polite Midwestern way. You're. You're kind of sneaking in the back door. Right? It's edgy and there's some commentary there, but you have to know where to find it. You have to know how to listen to it in that own Midwestern way. You have worked with probably a lot of the greats, Seinfeld, Lewis, Black. And I always wanted to ask a question. Do you ever get advice from one of those people, like one of those huge success stories that you were like, I don't think that's great advice. They gave you advice and then you were like, I actually don't think that's great advice. You don't have to tell me.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Who. No. Yeah, but no, I can't even remember who. It's somebody who paced a lot. Like Chris Rock. It might have been like Chris or something. We're like, Madigan. You gotta move it a little bit more. I'm like, no, I don't. Yeah, the job says stand up. Comedy standing up. It doesn't say walk around. It doesn't say, me and Ron White, who's one of my best friends, we are. Of the opinion for us, if you can stand still for an hour and keep everyone's attention, your material is.

[Brian Green]

Great. Fair.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Enough. I the like it used to. And I became friends with Robin Williams because we did all those Iraq tours. He's a very sweet man, but the running around and the sweating and the jumping, I want to grab him and go. Just stand still for two.

[Brian Green]

Jokes.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. Just to humor me. Just stand there. But, you know, everybody's got their own little style, little.

[Brian Green]

Whatever. And Robin was one of the best, in my opinion. But he was a frenetic. And I think watching some of his old stuff, like back in the 80s, sometimes it's a little bit disconcerting how much he's moving around. And obviously, I think he's powered by something besides Wheaties, you know what I'm.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Saying? Back in the 80s, I mean, he admitted what was going on. She also shouldn't be sweating that.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Perfume.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Right? I'm like, like, in a theater, they'll go, do you need any towels? I'm like, if I need a towel, you need to take me to a hospital. Yeah, I'm going out there talking. There shouldn't be any sweating involved. The lights aren't that hot. Like, come on, you guys. They're.

[Brian Green]

Not. So do you want to know where I found the most touching Robin Williams, like, documentary? Film footage was not on a Robin Williams documentary. It was on that Christopher Reeves documentary because I had no idea the two of them were, like, best friends. And then when they got to the part where they started talking about how when. After Chris had his accident, Robin was there, but they never talked about the accident or his disability. And one of the. His children was saying, I think that Robin gave Chris some sense of normalcy back. And because he never mentioned anything about the accident or anything about being in a wheelchair or anything like that. And I found. I don't know, there was something very touching and sweet about that. He's like. They both kind of confided in each other. Robin was amazing. It's. How sad were you guys? How many shows did you guys do together? How many tours did you go.

[Kathleen Madigan]

On? Well, we went on two, but they were long. They were like all of December. And here was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I'd never been around a global star. Like, I've been around comedians, you know, Garry Shand, like, people that were stars.

[Brian Green]

Here.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Even. Even Roseanne, like, she really wasn't a movie global star. Like, Robin. Like, so everybody knows Robin. Everybody. And we were in a hospital and they said, there's this. How not paying attention. I was. They're like, oh, there's some soldiers from Georgia. And I was like, like what? Like from Atlanta. They meant the country. Right, right. I forgot there was a country in Georgia. But they kind of speak Russian. And Robin went in there to this kid, like 18 year old, a guy, and just started speaking Russian. Really? It was the craziest I've ever seen. I'm like, is that from Moscow on the Hudson? Did you really.

[Brian Green]

Learn?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. All that. He's like, yeah. I just became interested. It. It was crazy. It was like watching, I don't know, like a. A magic.

[Brian Green]

Trick. A magician. Yeah, I was gonna say.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. He was very sweet and soft spoken. I actually preferred his serious work over the comedy, because the comedy was too frenetic for me. But I. I mean, he know. He knew that. I told him that. I'm like, I wish you would just settle.

[Brian Green]

Down. Yeah. I. I don't disagree with you. I think some of the stuff that he did on film that was more serious just. Just felt more earnest to me. And sometimes I think he could be more funny when he was delivering a ry line rather than something, you know, jumping out of a box and, you know, with suspenders and trying to make everybody laugh when.

[Kathleen Madigan]

He'S. Yeah, like, Awakenings was a great movie. I know. Like, there's where he. That, to me, was the real Robin and then the standup. Like, he's an. He went to Juilliard. He's an actor. I felt like sometimes he was an actor and acting as a.

[Brian Green]

Comedian. Ah, that's a very interesting.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Observation. And, you know, no harm, no foul. People could do whatever they want on stage. But I just preferred the regular guy that I sat on a bus with for hours riding around Afghanistan. That.

[Brian Green]

Guy. Yeah. I preferred his awakenings to his Mork and Mindy.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Years. Yeah. Although as a kid, I really did look forward to Morgan Mindy, that 7:30 on Tuesday nights. I remember when it was.

[Brian Green]

On. It was. It was very interesting. So you. You are a storyteller by nature. I would share that. You're a storyteller. Do you ever tell stories about people in your personal life where they're like, hey, what's up? I prefer that you don't share that.

[Rachel]

Story.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Right. No. I think I'm a pretty good editor in my mind of what my family will tolerate. Although I did post a joke from a while back about me ruining Christmas. My sister. My sister goes, this was recently. She goes, hey, all these people are from Facebook. All my friends are calling. I never said you ruined Christmas. I said, you absolutely did. How do you think I. I didn't write that as a joke. That whole situation happened. She goes, oh, well, maybe I did. I said, I have never said anything on stage. It did not happen or was not the truth. Now, like, let's say a sibling gets divorced, and it's terrible. I'm not.

[Rachel]

Gonna. Of.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Course, seven of us. And, you know, my dad passed away, but my mom's alive, so I have eight people. So I'll just move off you if your life is.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Sad. I'll just move on to somebody.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Else. I'll just focus on somebody else for a.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

While. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Exactly. Yeah. We do a lot of content here. We do I mean, we're on 700 plus episodes at this point. Thousand hours of.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Content. We pull from.

[Brian Green]

Everything. Yeah, we pull from everything. But I have learned, and I learned very quickly, there are people aren't volunteering to be on your show. This wasn't their life choice. And you have to be careful about what you say. But it's easy to edit and change names and, you know, flip things around. When you tell the story, you just change the faces and the names just get changed to protect the innocent. Chrissy. That's how you do it. But still, some people know, like, you know, if I tell a story about my brother, I'll change some of the details. But sometimes he's like, dude, I really didn't want that, Shay. Or that's. And I'm like, I didn't even say, you know, you. How no one would ever piece that together. But they know. And he gets up, you know, sometimes he's gotten upset and I'm like, okay.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I'll. Well, meanwhile, I wanted to be on the.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Show. Yeah, I will run it by him if I think I'm on the.

[Brian Green]

Edge. That's okay. That's a fair.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Policy.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Like, I'm like, do you care if I say Matt, that's my sister, one of my sister's husbands, that when you met Matt, he didn't know what religion he was. Like, is that gonna make him seem stupid or. And she goes, oh, I don't think he'd care at all. I'm like, great, great. Because I'm already doing it on stage. I just wanted permission to do it on.

[Brian Green]

Film.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. On April.

[Brian Green]

26Th. Wait, can we follow this down the rabbit hole just for a second? Your. Your what? Your. Your brother in law did not know what religion he.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Was? Not really, no. So my sister, we're all Catholic and like, if I married you, I don't really care if you become Catholic. But my sister did because they're going to have kids and she wants this cohesive. And I think on some level my sister still thinks you might not make it into heaven if you didn't sign up. Like, I don't agree with that. But this is where we part ways. She's got Catholic and Matt's like, well, I'm Christian. He's like a rural guy, will rule to us. I go, right, but what kind of Christian? He goes, well, Kathleen, I don't really know. I go, okay, Matt, when you drove up to the building, what did it say? Did it say like United Methodist or Lutheran? He goes, well, I don't know. I don't think it really said anything. Just a white building. It was cr. I'm like, well, this is some Little House on the Prairie ship. Like, wow, it's just a white country.

[Brian Green]

Building.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. I go, so you were obviously some form of Protestant. He goes, no, no, we weren't protesting nothing. I'm like, okay, all right, Matt, I'm just telling you, don't agree to her terms. Because if you have, it's like six weeks of classes. It's not like joining a megachurch where you just walk right.

[Brian Green]

In. Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

That'S. No, no, no, no.

[Brian Green]

No. Six weeks of classes and then you got a whole Lent situation you gotta deal with every year. You gotta give up smoking.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Drinking. Yes. But here was the greatest part, though, about making fun of people in your own personal life. So the last Amazon special I did, or it might have been a Netflix, one of them. I don't know. It doesn't matter. They were like, oh, you have all these jokes about your parents, and do you think you could get them to sign, like, a disclosure saying it's okay? I go, no, not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I go, no, I don't. I go, I've been making fun of my parents for 35 years. And I go, you know what's going to be great if you want to get that? They go, well, we email you the disclosure, and then they could scan. Print it out and scan it and say, oh. I go, you know what? I'm going to give you their cell phone number. And if they answer, which they won't, because the cell phones are never.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Charged.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Right. And I'm going to give you their email. They'll probably open it in 2027. I'm not doing that. I'm not going through that with my mom and dad. So you're just gonna have to take the risk that I've made a lot of fun of Jack and Vicki, and I just. That's the first time anybody ever.

[Brian Green]

Said, that's a ridiculous amount of ass covering right there, isn't.

[Kathleen Madigan]

It? Like, well, you really think my own family is gonna sue you for employing.

[Brian Green]

Me?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. Like, I was just like, this is really. I guess it's cover your ass. But, I mean, Jack and Vicky at age 78, really? I mean, he was a lawyer, but he's not even licensed any. I can't do anything. That expired years.

[Brian Green]

Ago. He's a shark who's lost his teeth. He's not going to do anything. You're not going to worry about it. Don't get all fussy about something. It's. I. If that's the level of ass covering that Amazon is doing with all of these specials, I can only.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Imagine. Right? But then on Baby Rainier, you didn't check anything, right? I'm like, oh, my God. You're telling me that I need to get all this clearance to make fun of my mom and dad at Home Depot or something? Meanwhile, you've got a. You're. You have a lady's life that you said is a true story. And that's not the lady. Yeah, that's.

[Brian Green]

True. It's.

[Kathleen Madigan]

True. Oh, my God. I'm like, where were your lawyers then? Where? I don't get that. I never did get that.

[Brian Green]

One. That is selective lowering the wrong.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Woman. Well, you said they didn't do one thing to change her identity. They matched it identically. She was a little overweight, Scottish, a lawyer. Those were her jobs. So all you would have had to do is make her American or why can't a crazy person be skinny? Yeah, make it a skinny lady or make her make her British. Or they just copied exact. And then the Internet immediately knew exactly who she was. It's.

[Brian Green]

Fiona.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Uh. Oh. And you presented it as a true story. And then when you go look at it all. She didn't go to prison. There's all kinds of stuff in it that's not.

[Brian Green]

True. Well, he presented it as a true story to Netflix. Netflix took it on. On verb. They didn't.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Do.

[Brian Green]

Right. They didn't check. And now the judge went. So she sued them for, like, 150 million. She's gonna win. Yes, because they did nothing to protect her identity. And she. And. And Kathleen's. Right. All they had to do was skinny African American. There you go. Church secretary. And then. Yeah, they would have. You. You could have made the case that, oh, this was a fictional story that we made up whole cloth, even though it was very similar to something that happened to me. So while this guy got all these props and it was a true story. That makes that. It makes it interesting. But it would have been interesting even without the true story part.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Right? There's just one word missing. Based on. Yeah, that's it. They were two words. They just said, this is a true.

[Brian Green]

Story.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. I mean, the. The. I'm not the first one to bring that up. I'm not saying I'm a genius, but they. That's it. Based on. Based on is.

[Brian Green]

Different. And then they will. And then they could have just said, well, kind of loosely based on you. But it wasn't you? Do you remember every time we think I think about, like, based on true story. Do you remember when Fargo came out, the movie Fargo, and the beginning of the movie, it said, you know, the events in this movie are all true. Right? And everybody was like, when did this happen? Where did this happen? Well, the thing that the Coen brothers didn't mention is, yeah, all the events are true, but they didn't happen in one story. That's like 100 stories they took the pieces from. Those guys are so genius. I think I know that one of my favorite movies is quintessential Midwestern Fargo. And I know that it's exaggerated, you know, accents and, you know, kind of tropes, but when you see that movie, if you grew up in the Midwest, if you've ever been up there, then you. That really hits home to you. Like, oh, yeah, that's. That's how they talk. Oh, yeah, that's how they act. Oh, yeah, that's how polite they are in the face of murder. Do you have a. Do you. Over the years that you've been doing comedy, has there been like, trends that you've seen in comedy? Have you changed your comedy over? I mean, I'm sure I know your comedy's evolved over the years, but is there like a trend and you're like, I'm not jumping on that bandwagon. No, thanks. Like, like now I, I feel like comedy is. Some comedians, they're not really comedians. They're. They're clickbait, so to speak. Right. They are going for shock value. The louder we can be, the more edgy things we can say. The more people we can offend, then the better off I'll be because I'm doing it for the algorithm and not for comedy purposes. Now, some people, I'm sure like that, but that's how some comedy, some comedy feels to me right now. Have you seen trends where you're like, oh, no, no, no. This is just not, not.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Great? Well, this wasn't really a trend that would have affected me, but I never stopped laughing. For a two year period, every guy I sounded like Mitch.

[Brian Green]

Hedberg. Oh, my.

[Kathleen Madigan]

God. Oh, my God. I would just sit in the back of the room and go, no, no, no. There was only one Mitch. He's not here anymore. We're moving on. The trends, the trends that I always see and they come and they go is dirty comedy, clean comedy, and like this whole not cussing thing. I. I'm going on stage and being who I.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Am.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Exactly. You can take it or Leave it. I'm clean at a corporate event because I am paid specifically not to.

[Brian Green]

Cuss.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. But in real life, I cuss. Like, yeah, I, it just approved that to me. Like the cussing debate. Words don't matter. It's the person receiving the words. It's on you. Because like I had this homeless lady come down the street in Oklahoma City and she was dragging a blue tarp and she was, she, she clearly, she was smoking like an unlit cig and I had a lighter, so I thought, well, I'll let see if she wants a light. But she already came up yelling at me in Spanish. Spanish. Just screaming. And I was like, I don't know, lady. Yeah, I don't know what she said. She could have called me a hundred cuss words. It doesn't matter because I didn't understand.

[Rachel]

It.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Right. It's your interpretation of that, that, so the clean, dirty thing, I've just always, well, I've never been like dirty. Like I'm not gonna get up and do the, the, the, yeah, you're not doing stick jokes. Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not. I just wouldn't ever. Don't we have anything else to talk about? I mean, my God, like, I just always thought that was low hanging.

[Brian Green]

Fruit.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yep. I'm not doing it. And clean. Define clean. I, I, I don't, I don't even like the labels of all that. Like, yeah, I mean, people are making money off of it. Good for you guys. But I, I just don't. What does that mean? So it's not offensive to an eight year old, but I mean, that's fine if that's what you want to do. But you know, I'm 38, I'm 48, I'm 58, I'm not 80. Like that's.

[Brian Green]

True. Yeah, it's true. And I, I think that there are comedians who do that to great effect. Like, I think Nick Bargazi is an example of this. Right. His comedy is slow, it's plotting, but it's funny. And there's not a cuss word in there. Right. And I think there are other comedy comedians who I won't name. I don't want to offend anybody who just don't do it to Great. I think they're just like the, I agree with you. Why are you not saying the words that you could say? You could punctuate these things with something a little bit.

[Kathleen Madigan]

More. If it's your normal, if it's.

[Brian Green]

Your normal way of.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Doing.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Conversation. I mean, My parents. Parents. It was always, it was always breaking news to me that like in the south specifically, God damn is more offensive than other words that you would think would be more. But like when my, my mom, I mean that was said every week in my house. But like when my mom would say God damn it, I really thought she was asking God to damn it. I mean it wasn't just a throwaway word. She was pissed. Like yes. The, the, the crock pot didn't broke or something. And then it would be like God damn it. And I thought.

[Brian Green]

Okay.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. And they never seem to care if we said it. Yeah. I mean as when we're like 18, not when we're.

[Brian Green]

8.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Sure. 8 to 18. So I don't have the same relationship. Like cursing was going on in my house all the time. Not they wouldn't go say or they wouldn't go that far but. And God damn it and all.

[Brian Green]

That.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. So to me that's just the way you.

[Brian Green]

Talk. I, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't shy away from cussing around the kids again. There are some words that I just choose. Not like I'm not going to teach them at their young tender age. But then I let them know that this may not be a word you want to say in public because other people might be offended by it. Right. But words are just words. It's not, you know, it's not going to slice anybody open. Their eyeball's not going to come out because you said it's not going to happen. And I think the general attitude toward cussing is to going got much more loose since the 80s. I mean if you heard the word on broadcast.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Television. Yeah. On TV that was a big.

[Brian Green]

Deal. Now there's a. Every 15 seconds on NBC at 7 o' clock at night. You can't even watch Jeopardy. Without hearing the word. I mean it's a.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. They keep expanding the. And not that everybody needs to talk. It's the clean dirty. And then there's specifically a lot of women comics that I think go dirty er to try to, to be one of the.

[Brian Green]

Guys.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. And you can, I can feel it when it's happening. I'm like, oh man. And I know they're smarter than.

[Brian Green]

That.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. Like that's the frustrating part. Like there are some really dumb road comics out there that get up and do dick jokes but you go drinking with it. I'm like, oh, sweet, sweet little, sweet little rabbit's not smart. Sweet little rabbit can't think of nothing. This Is I literally don't hate him. Then I'm like, okay. Oh. Oh, tiny dancer. You just can't. You know, this is all he's.

[Brian Green]

Got.

[Kathleen Madigan]

So. Okay. Yeah, I. That. Those people never, never make me frustrated because they're doing what they can do. Yeah. That's the best they can.

[Brian Green]

Do. I. I bet off air we could name three of them. I bet we'd be thinking about the same.

[Kathleen Madigan]

People. There's at least 10 throughout the years I could put on a. On. On a vision board that I remember from the day. And they. They make their money, they get their free drinks, and they're happy. So, you know, it's a nice little job. If you don't mind being gone. We got. We got a dumb rabbit with a dumb act, but, hey, it was five bucks to get in, and it's a.

[Brian Green]

Tuesday. They got three drink tickets and a shitty cheeseburger, and they're gonna stay the night at the Howard Johnson at the HoJo. What do you. What are you gonna do? It shows. Schaumburg, Illinois. What are you gonna.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Do? Right.

[Brian Green]

Right. You have got to have seen and done a lot of sets with very successful, famous comedians. Ron White, you've been mentioning, is one of your friends. You guys hang out a lot? You and.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Ron? Oh, yeah. He came up here during COVID He had nowhere to.

[Brian Green]

Go. Oh, you guys just hung out during COVID.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. I go, well, you. Last I heard, you have a bus and a plane. Yeah. Come from the Nashua and, like, the golf court. We like to golf, and he loves to fish. I'm like, like, yeah, come on up. So he was here for a while. We. A few weeks at least. And he was like, after a week of it, he goes, matty, isn't it just amazing how seamlessly we've slipped into retirement? Love it. I go, I love it. I love it. I don't miss the road. I don't need to be on stage. I mean, I love the road, but this is awesome. I might get a cat. This is crazy. I've never been home for more than two weeks in a row since I was 23 years old. We had a blast. We got up, we went fishing, then we go golfing. Then we come back and go fishing again. It was.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Just. That's.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Fun. And, like, anything we wanted to do was still. Oh, like, you go on the lake, you can go golfing. Even the. The golf course up by my house has, like, outdoor. Outdoor bar and all that so we could still drink. And, like. Like, Lewis was trapped in an Apartment in New York.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Couldn't.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Go. And he started going crazier and crazier, like week by week, like this cooped up crazy person and I dude, you need to get out of there. Yeah. So then he came here and I'm like, you're gonna have to. He was screaming at this television. Yeah, dude, I am already in realization fun.

[Brian Green]

Mode.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. And you're gonna need to catch.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Up.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. Or you're going back to New York to your little chicken and I'm put you back there. Cuz I. I can't live like this. I know, I know, I know. It's just so maddening. Like, like he then ranch is like, let's go get a 12 pack of Micheloma Ultra and Fireball shots in case we get a.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Birdie.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Right?

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That's. That's what I want to.

[Brian Green]

Do. To be the bartender at the outdoor bar where Lewis Black, Kathleen Madigan and Ron White.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Show.

[Brian Green]

Yes. It's like a life's achievement. Die happy if I'm the bartender at the golf course. And for a few weeks, that's all what I've got at my bar is those three just entertaining.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Me. And I felt so bad saying, like, well, I'm having a blast during Company because, like, I have relatives that are nurses and teachers. And it was brutal. My one sister's a teacher and the Zooms and the kids aren't showing up and people are yelling and hollering and I was like, oh, yeah, I don't know. I caught three crappie, two bass.

[Brian Green]

And Adam Margarita and a Ron.

[Kathleen Madigan]

White. Yeah, yeah. And me and. Me and Ron saw two snakes. That's my day. That's my.

[Brian Green]

Day. You know, that was when Covid happened. We. Our first episode was released like the same week that all of the lockdowns started happening. So. April 15, 2020. And this podcast may have saved my life because at least I had something to come do. Like I had some outlet, some way. And we just didn't talk about any of it. I mean, you know, of course we mentioned masks or whatever on occasion, but we just didn't talk about any of it. That's why the show's named the Commercial Break, but so we would just kind of shut it out. And I gotta be honest, that hour and a half or two hours at that time, once a week.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

That. Yeah, once a.

[Brian Green]

Week. Yeah. Now it's four times a week. That really, like, allowed me to decompress in a way that I think saved me from just going absolutely fucking stir.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Crazy. Were you Guys in Atlanta.

[Brian Green]

Then. Yeah, we were in.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Atlanta. Okay. Because the south was a lot more loosey goosey with the.

[Brian Green]

Rules. If you remember, our governor opened up the bowling alleys and the nail.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Salons. That's.

[Brian Green]

Right. And I thought to myself, I mean, at the time. Now, at hindsight, I think it was a good idea that he was saying, hey, we can't just shut down everything forever. Right. But at the time, it was the funniest thing ever to know that our governor had made some decision somewhere at the highest powers of local government. He said, nail salons, bowling alley, life, that's done. That's it. And he liked bowling or.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Something. The nail one makes more sense to me than the.

[Brian Green]

Bowling.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. I mean, I'm not against bowling. I've. I've done it when I bartended. Like, it for fun and all that. But that's a very odd. Yes, especially if you're not a professional bowler. Like, I'm touching strange bowling.

[Brian Green]

Balls. That's.

[Kathleen Madigan]

It. Strange.

[Brian Green]

Shoes.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yes. Everything's. Everything's.

[Brian Green]

Borrowed. Yeah, you're touching.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Everything. Everybody else. I think there'd be an indoor sport that would be less kind of gross. Like, you know, I'm wearing someone else's gross.

[Brian Green]

Shoes. At the time, no one would have accused Brian Kemp of being the sharpest tool in the shed. Now, he's proven to be somewhat smart on occasion, but at the time, you would have gone, well, that makes a lot of sense for Brian Kemp. But we were doing video. We were doing it over video for, like, the first month and a half. And then we're like, okay, let's just test and, you know, get together, and then we'll. And. And that just kind of saved us. And I can't. I. I can only imagine that for you, like, your entire life changes. No more shows out. You know, we're not doing any more shows. We're not doing any more traveling. A complete disruption. But then you've got Lewis Black and Ron White to come over and keep you company. That must.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Be. Yeah, and then there's, like, Brian, who owns Zany's here in Nashville. Little. Little Dorf. He's out there golfing every day. Like, all my Nate was here. All my good golf buddies are here and friends are here, and we all. Still. Nothing really changed, except we're outside. I mean, but we're out there anyway. Like, I don't really. Turns out I don't do much inside.

[Brian Green]

So.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. I mean, you could still go on these. Awesome. Then I got every hike that was available. Tennessee I always wanted to do. I could drive up to Missouri and hang out in the Ozarks. That was. We went viral. Yeah. Remember that games? Yeah, No, I did not partake in that. But that's just because I know everyone's pissing in those pools. They're drinking, and I'm not. That's not about COVID Yeah, that's just. That's too many young people. Not for me anymore. But yeah, I, I, I just feel like the, the south in the Midwest was a little more unleashed than New York. No. Oh, my God. New York. Yeah.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah. And how long did it take you to actually go back on the road.

[Kathleen Madigan]

After? Well, as soon as they let us. I wasn't gonna do that. Like, let's do a comedy show on Zoom. I know younger people need the money, so they took the gigs. I get it. But I, I didn't have to do any of that. Thank God. But as soon as they said, okay, we're back up and rolling, and then I was like, huh, I better get my. I'm gonna get my ass down to Zanies and remember my act. Because that's the problem with me. You can't tell me I'm off for a year and expect me to do.

[Brian Green]

Anything.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Until that 11th. The 11th month, I'll go, okay. I gotta get serious now. I gotta get the muscle up. I'm not gonna other except have fun right off. And. Yeah. There's an old saying, never give an Irish person enough money. And it's very true. Don't. Like, I have enough. I don't, I don't need. I'll never understand the, the people, the Elon's, the Dick.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Cheney's. Like, how much money do you have to.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Have? Yeah, well, when is it enough? When is enough enough for me? I know it's enough when all the bills are.

[Brian Green]

Paid.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yep. And then there's a retirement savings things. And my brother says, I'm good. Yeah. Then I'm. That's.

[Brian Green]

Enough. My grandfather put out. And I've said this a couple times on the show. He was in a nursing home with. He was unable to walk because he had so many broken hips. Colon cancer for the second time. You know, he was like 98 years old, and he was taking his resume and giving it to the nurses in the nursing home and telling them to please fax it to this phone number. He tried to find work until the day that he died because he had a very. He was Irish, too. I mean, of Irish.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Descent. And.

[Brian Green]

He. And he had a very similar way of thinking it's that you. You work or you die. Right. Number one. Number two, never give me too much money. Because, you know, what do they say? They say an addict's worst enemy is time and money. I really think that's an Irish person's worst, worst enemy, is time and money. You don't want either of those things.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. Because time, it was always the devil's workshop. According to my grandma. You've got too much free time. It's devil's workshop. Devil's.

[Brian Green]

Workshop. Yeah. Yeah. Kathleen is on the never ending Tour. She will one of your dates. The tickets go on sale this week, so the tickets are either now available or will be available over the next couple of days for your fall dates. Yes. And then there'll be the winter dates and then the spring dates and then the summer dates until, you know, Ron comes back over and kills another three or four weeks with.

[Kathleen Madigan]

You. That's right. Until he retired and then he unretired. So I lost my retirement buddy. He's got a.

[Brian Green]

Retirement? Yeah. Then, listen, I know we aren't great friends, but next time you, Ron Lewis, and Nate get together up there to play around the golf, it's easy. I'll carry your.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Bag from.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Atlanta. There's really. There's no rules at our golf board. We could go out as a five. So it's no problem. They don't care. There's no rules.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I love it. I will. I love golf, and I'll be happy to play around with you. I'll even. I'll pay for the fireball. I'll put a link to all of Kathleen's stuff inside of the show. Notes, notes. I could talk to you for another hour and a half. Kathleen, I hope that you come back because I. I enjoy your comedy and I think you're a great person to talk to. This is a ton of.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Fun. Thanks, guys. I had a good time, too. I watched some of your other ones, too. So I'm just here to say, as a custom viewer person, you should go watch their other ones. The one with Fortune I liked a lot. I love Fortune. And I watched. I watched. I watched a lot of Lewis's, but I. I just feel like he's just in my living.

[Brian Green]

Room.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. I'm like, okay. He's.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I feel the same way about my own.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Voice. It's a good podcast, so thank you.

[Brian Green]

Congratulations. Your podcast is great, too. Pubcast. Which. And can I. Can I just share one thing with you, Kathleen? Please don't take any offense to this. I will not put a microphone on your producer. Because we.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Want. No, they don't. No.

[Brian Green]

No.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Okay. All.

[Brian Green]

Right. She says.

[Kathleen Madigan]

No. She says no. I have to respect.

[Brian Green]

That. Oh, she says.

[Kathleen Madigan]

No.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I can't. But I want to hear what she has to say, and I can't hear.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Her. She doesn't want it. She wants no part of, like. So I'll. I do the comic trick. I repeat what she says. Yeah, yeah, but. But I can't make another adult. And. And that was my tech guru during. When Covid. When I started the podcast. So I can't camp. Can't fire.

[Brian Green]

Paddles. Yeah, well, no, don't fire her. I just. I was listening to or watching it, actually, on YouTube. YouTube this morning, and I was like, I can't hear what she's saying. But you do repeat a lot of the stuff that she.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Says. I try to repeat it. I take no offense to the. Believe me, I've heard it before through the team email and stuff. And they're like, give. Give her a microphone. I'm like, I can't make adults do what they don't want to.

[Brian Green]

Do. Well.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Yeah. And then I just say, it's free.

[Brian Green]

Man.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Exactly. Exactly. That's what we've.

[Brian Green]

Said. That's what we've said.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Too. Sorry we've.

[Brian Green]

Offended. It's not for everyone. We've had a million tackles, lines. Yeah. And we'll have a new one after this, too. So, Kathleen Madigan, you're fantastic. Thanks. And you're welcome back anytime, and we hope you do come back.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Bye. See you soon. See you in Atlanta. Okay.

[Brian Green]

Bye.

[Rachel]

Bye. Let me do something Brian has never done. Be brief. Follow us on Instagram at the commercial break. Text or call us 212-4333, tcb. That's 212-3822. Visit our website tcvpodcast.com for all the audio, video and your free sticker. Then watch all the [e-mail] thecommercial break and finally share the show. It's the best gift you could give a few aging podcasters. See, Brian, that really wasn't that difficult, now, was it? You're.

[Brian Green]

Welcome. Okay. Kathleen.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Madigan. What a delight she was. That's honestly.

[Brian Green]

Fun. Yeah, we say this a lot, but it is true. I mean, I don't want to just sound repetitive, but it is. But it is fun talking to these people because, you know, they. They're human beings, but they don't have to be interesting and fun to talk to. You know what I'm saying? If I went to a bar tomorrow and I talked to 20 people. I think probably 10 of them at least. I would be like, okay, all right, whatever. I don't. I don't wish to have another conversation with them. And then five of them would be kind of interesting. And then five of them you would want to follow up with. You'd be like, those are cool people. You know, I want to hang out with. I think 90% of the guests that we've had on the commercial break are people you want to hang out with. Again, definitely. They probably aren't saying the same thing about us, but at least. At least we have a good impression, at least from our perspective. It was a lot of fun. And Kathleen was. And I swear to God, that is like my dream date. Get Nate Bargazzi, Lewis Black, Ron White, Kathleen Madigan and a bottle of Fireball, and let's go play 18. Yeah, that's.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Awesome. And.

[Brian Green]

Fish. Yeah, yeah. And go see fish. Let's all go see fish. That's what it.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Is. Well, we also have a new tagline. I mean, that's it. You're gonna hear a lot of.

[Brian Green]

Stuff. You're gonna hear a lot of stuff. Most of it's not valuable.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Not. Not of any. Not anything of real.

[Brian Green]

Value. No value in this. Yeah, there's no.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Value. Fun.

[Brian Green]

Stuff. We're not. Joe Rogan. We're not informing you about how Doge is saving your money. That's not our lot in life. Good old Joe. I wanted to really ask her about her thoughts on. Well, never mind. I'm not gonna get into it. I wanted to ask her her thoughts on something, but I refrained. Maybe conversation number two. I'll ask her a.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

About. I hope she comes.

[Brian Green]

Back. Yeah, some of the. The quote unquote comedians that are out there right now doing their thing. Anyway, she's got pubcast, which is her. I think it's weekly podcast. You can find that wherever you're listening to this, you can go on the free Odyssey app. Of course, all of the podcasts are free. You can download that. You can also get the commercial break there and a lot of other great podcasts where. That's our home. But Kathleen's podcast is available everywhere. You're listening to this podcast, Apple, Spotify, Google, and then, of course, course, tickets to her fall tour are now on sale@kathleen madigan.com. i will put that link in the show notes for you. And Lincoln.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Bio. Lincoln.

[Brian Green]

Bio. Lincoln bio. Lincoln bio. And yeah, of course, there's a special right around the corner, but we can't talk about it. Keep an eye out for Kathleen's new special sometime later on this.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Year. I would imagine she's working on.

[Brian Green]

It. She's working on it, as are we. We're working on it, too. All right. Well, what else is there to.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Say? She was great. It was so easy and.

[Kathleen Madigan]

So. Just.

[Brian Green]

Relatable. Yeah. She's my Aunt Sandy. Well, without the gay part. I mean, I don't know if she's gay and who gives a. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Anyway. It doesn't really matter. But I'm saying Aunt Sandy is Kathleen. Kathleen is Aunt Sandy. They are both. They both have the exact same sense of humor. It's so familiar and relatable to.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Me. That's so.

[Brian Green]

Good. Yeah. I wish Aunt Sandy was still.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Here. I.

[Brian Green]

Know. I wish she could come on the phone and. And talk, because you would be like, she's a laugh a minute. Yeah. She made and lost hundreds of millions of dollars in her life. Hundreds of millions of dollars when.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

I was the cat.

[Brian Green]

Lady. Not as much as the cat lady who lost billions of dollars. Well, Aunt Sandy lost it for a different reason. But I won't get into all the family drama, but I will just share this. That Aunt Sandy, for one of our birthdays, came to our house in Chicago, picked Kevin and I up, took us two Toys R Us, gave us each a cart, and said, go for it. Can you.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Imagine? Of.

[Brian Green]

Course. Best day of my.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Life. Oh.

[Brian Green]

God. GI Joe's left and right. A Teddy.

[Rachel]

Ruxpin.

[Brian Green]

Crazy. I think I got a speaking spell. I think I even got a Cabbage Patch doll, which my mom, like, you know, went to war over to get us for Christmas. And then Aunt Sandy comes and we just throw in the basket. Yeah. Swoop. Mom got us one Cabbage Patch.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Dolphin. I should be that aunt. I think I'm gonna be that.

[Brian Green]

Aunt. You should be that aunt. You're gonna need a different job, but you can be that.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Aunt.

[Brian Green]

Right. You're gonna need a different line of work, but. Or at least not this podcast.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Anyway. All.

[Brian Green]

Right. 212-4333. TCB 212-43-3-3822. Questions, comments, concerns, content, ideas. We take them all right there. Also, if you want to be the next voice, just open the commercial break. Leave us a voicemail. Make it short. Make it sweet. Say what you're going to say. And if you don't want your name said, don't say your.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Name. Or just change.

[Brian Green]

It. Yeah, just change it. That's what I do. I call I call customer service and just change my.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Name.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Also at the commercial break on Instagram. Please follow us there. TCB podcast on TikTok. For every episode on video, you can go to YouTube.com the commercial break the same day they air here on the audio feed. 99% of the time, they're out there already. Unless YouTube has flagged the video. And tcb podcast.com for audio, video, and your free swag, just give us your address and we'll send it off. Okay, Chrissy, I guess that's all I can do for.

[Chrissy Hoadley]

Now. I think.

[Brian Green]

So. But I'll tell you that I love you. Best to you and best you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, Chrissy and I will say, we do say, and we, we must say.

[Kathleen Madigan]

Goodbye. All right, put them.