Where TF Is Grandma!

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Commercial Break – "Where TF is Grandma!"

Date: October 23, 2025
Hosts: Bryan Green and Krissy Hoadley

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Main Theme

This episode dives into the wild world of 80s and 90s daytime talk shows, centering on an especially chaotic episode of Sally Jesse Raphael about family pressure around losing virginity, teen sexuality, and baffling family dynamics—including the mysterious whereabouts of a pivotal grandma. Bryan and Krissy riff on the absurdity and culture clash of vintage tabloid TV, blending nostalgia, shock, and their signature irreverent humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Virginity: Personal Tales and Societal Hang-Ups

• Early Experiences ([04:48]–[11:00])

  • Bryan and Krissy open up about the age they lost their virginity—Bryan at 15, Krissy at 17.
  • They reflect on Catholic guilt, the lack of useful sex education, and awkwardness of those first experiences.
  • Bryan shares, “Back in my day, you could die from having sex. You could get snatch cocked, your dick could fall off!” ([06:00])
  • Insight: Both emphasize the importance of self-protection and making your own choices, not yielding to peer or partner pressure.

• Sex Ed: Past vs. Present

  • Comparisons between repressed 90s America and more direct, even graphic, European sex education.
  • Bryan describes Danish instructional documentaries: “It was incredibly instructive… Not porn, but you could probably whack off to it.” ([11:01])
  • Both critique how porn gives a completely inaccurate view of sex for teens.

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2. Daytime Talk Show Nostalgia & Satire

• Rise of the Tabloid TV Format ([13:41]–[17:32])

  • The hosts discuss how Sally Jesse Raphael, Oprah, Jenny Jones, Ricky Lake, and others filled daytime TV with wild, unfiltered conversations about taboo topics.
  • Krissy: “It was basically the internet on tv.” ([15:48])

• Sensationalism and Family Airing Dirty Laundry

  • They joke about the clickbait nature of these shows, how producers stoked controversy for ratings, and how it socially normalized talking about previously private issues.

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3. The Main Event: Sally Jesse Raphael, Lost Virginities, & Bizarre Families

[26:17] onwards: Watching and Commenting on the Old Episode

The Family

• Takisha (16), Natasha (13), Mom Darlene, and a Sometimes-Present Grandma
  • Takisha is pressured by her mom and 13-year-old sister to lose her virginity.
  • The mom offers Takisha condoms and negligees, insisting it will “loosen her up” and help her make friends.
    • Bryan: “Mama of the year award.” ([33:07])
  • Natasha, 13, is already sexually active. Both mom and sister shame Takisha for wanting to wait.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Respect & Values

  • Sally: "So your self-esteem and your respect is very important, right?"
  • Takisha: "Because I think if you wait till you're married, you stay in the marriage for a lifetime." ([34:52])

• On Family Dynamics and Social Pressure

  • Bryan: “Why the grandmother lives… only lives there half the time, and where is she the other half? Where’s grandma? On cruises or something? Where’s the documentary on this family?" ([37:43])
  • Krissy: “Where is the grandmother? Get the grandmother. This is the piece of the puzzle!” ([40:55])

• Insanity Ensues

  • The family’s stories spiral into the surreal:
    • Car bashing, abusive friends, and someone “shooting blood” after a stroke.
    • Bryan, lost: “TBC audience, I’ve completely lost track of what’s going on here. I don’t even know what this episode is about anymore.” ([44:47])

• Audience Interventions

  • The talk show’s live audience weighs in, often shaming the mom and supporting Takisha’s choice to wait.
  • One man chides, “You ought to be ashamed of yourself, trying to tell your daughter to make sex…” ([47:51])
  • Krissy quips, “‘To make sex.’ I agree. Don’t make no more sex.” ([47:57])

Cultural Reflections

• The hosts are both appalled and amused at the open shaming, use of “slut” and “whore” on TV, and the normalization of airing family dysfunction for entertainment.
• Bryan: “What a wild, wild episode. A lot of them showed up on Sally Jesse Raphael. Most of the people are not well!” ([66:44])
• Krissy: “That was some good stuff.” ([66:37])

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4. Secondary Segment: Friendship, Peer Pressure, and Teen Sexuality

• Interview with a second pair of teen girls, Jessica and Crystal; the latter is accused of stripping for $50 at a party and sleeping with her friend’s boyfriend.
• The episode satirizes the way female friendships, pressure, and reputation played out, both on TV and in real life.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On Puritanical Society:
  “The fact that this is even a conversation that is happening on television…just an indication of how puritan society was not even 30 or 40 years ago. Now you show your labia on Instagram as a fundraiser for kids with cancer. It’s a labiathon for cancer.”
  – Bryan Green ([18:42])

• On Sex Ed Realness:
  “Teenagers are going to go ahead and do it anyway. You might as well be informed.”
  – Krissy ([11:44])

• On Awkward First Times:
  "Sloppy. It's ugly. It's not usually all that much fun. I mean, the first time you do anything..."
  – Bryan ([10:00])

• On Parenting and Pressure:
  “Please, somebody in government…figure out a way to have licensing for parents. This is almost secondary to the conversation we need to have about this mother.”
  – Bryan ([36:18])

• On Keeping Perspective:
  "Here's my bottom line on this: you'll know when you're ready."
  – Bryan ([66:44])
  "Don't be pressured. Talk with your parents. If you choose to wait till marriage or when you're an adult or forever, that's your choice. The great news is, it's your willy hoo hoo or ping pang!"
  – Bryan ([66:44])

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Recurring Comedy and Running Gags

• Joking confusion about family relationships and Grandma's whereabouts:
  “Where TF is Grandma!” (motif throughout)
• Revisiting absurd TV production values (e.g., dramatic audience reactions, split screens).
• Advertisements and thunderous snark about podcast self-promotion, sponsor reads.

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Flow of the Episode:

• [00:00–04:45] Sponsor reads and banter
• [04:45–13:41] Personal stories about losing virginity; Catholic guilt; sex education
• [13:41–24:36] The rise and mechanics of 80s/90s talk shows
• [26:17–48:53] Main Sally Jesse Raphael segment—verbatim reactions, riffing, and incredulity at the events
• [52:04–66:37] Further talk show clips, more audience shaming, exploration of peer pressure
• [66:37–68:26] Takeaways, life advice, and closing thoughts

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Takeaway Messages

• Don’t succumb to family or peer pressure—your sexual decisions are your own to make.
• Open, honest, and accurate sexual education is crucial.
• Daytime TV in the 80s/90s was as absurd as it was formative, both a time capsule and a warning.
• Some people should probably not have parenting licenses.

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Final Thoughts (Hosts' Tone & Advice)

True to their signature “Cheesecake Factory of comedy podcasts” style, Bryan and Krissy blend nostalgia, parody, real talk, and utter disbelief as they explore the intersection of American prudishness, tabloid exploitation, and personal story. Their central message: Know yourself, protect yourself, and—whatever your grandma is up to—don’t let anyone else decide what to do with your hoo-hoo.

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Engagement Links:

• Check out the referenced “Nacho Redondo” episode ([03:37]).
• Listeners can text/call in at 212-4333-TCB.
• More episodes and ways to get a free sticker at tcbpodcast.com.

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Memorable Quote:

“I’ve completely lost track of what’s going on here. I don’t even know what this episode is about anymore.” – Bryan Green ([44:47])

Episode Vibe:
Off-the-rails, hilariously exasperated, and delightfully irreverent—just the way TCB fans like it.

Transcript

[Brian Green]

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[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Hey, they told me it was family.

[Brian Green]

Only, but Craig was my. That was my brother, bro. Hey, when I started my first club.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

In Bakersfield, Craig said, Stacy P. I'mma.

[Brian Green]

Give you the money.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Make sure my name is on the flyer.

[Brian Green]

And we did that.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Craig Hunter. Hey, bro. I love you.

[Brian Green]

I love you, bro.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

I don't even want to like put you in the grave right now, Mike.

[Brian Green]

But we going to do this though. On east side on this episode of the commercial break.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

I say she has a good sense.

[Takisha]

Of self esteem, but she was gonna take it out on my car. You know what happened to her? She turned around to my mom in their apartment with a club in her hand, getting ready to leave and she shot blood all over my mom, soaked.

[Darlene]

My mom had a stroke. That was what the problem was. Blood.

[Brian Green]

What? How do you shoot blood? Holy shit. And what did she just say? I had a stroke? Did she say I had a stroke? That's what happened.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

This is the wildest, but it sounds like the grandmother lives close because the daughter went over and grabbed a club at the grandmother's and was coming back, but that's when she shot blood.

[Brian Green]

I'm sorry, TCB audience, I've completely lost track of what's going on here. I don't even know what this episode is about anymore. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Oh, yeah. Cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co host of this show, Kristen Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Kristen. Best to you, Brian, and best to you out there in the podcast universe. Thanks for joining us. We've been getting a lot of compliments on the Nacho appearance. I appreciate it. People, even though they have no idea who Nacho is. Not joke. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. He did most of the talking, but I was there also and I was prompting, I was egging it along and. But a lot of our, I assume, American listeners, the way that I know them, maybe some of them are bilingual, but they didn't know who Nacho was. But they said, such a great conversation. Thanks so much. So do go listen to the Nacho Red episode if you haven't heard it yet. It's a long one. Strap in. You'll be there for a while. But I think it's well worth the hustle, if you will. Chrissy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think so too. Well worth the time.

[Brian Green]

Well worth the time. Okay, personal question. You can answer or you don't have to answer. You can give me a range. You don't have to be specific. Give me a range. It is expose. Eh. Expose, eh. At what age did you lose your virginity? Oh, like you can give me a range. It doesn't have to be specific.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, 17.

[Brian Green]

17. I was 15.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

I think a lot of my friends were probably in that 15, 16, 17, 17 year old range. I do know a couple people who were later. I don't many know many that were earlier. I know one or two that was like 13, 14, but they turned out to be not so great adults. You know what I'm saying? Well, I'm kidding. Yeah, there were a couple like really early bloomers, but 15, 16, 17, I think is one most. I think, at least in my age, like your experience with my experience, your friend group. Yes. Is when most of us became like hyper sexually aware and were willing to give it a try.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And what a big deal it was. Oh, yeah, what a big deal it was. And of course it's made out to be a big deal. Should be a big deal.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It is. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

You know, back in the day, back in my day, you could die from having sex. You could get snatch cocked, your dick could fall off, your dick could fall off, you could get snatch cocked. Should trap your cock and just choke it to death because especially as a Catholic, you know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, God, you guys have the guilt going on too.

[Brian Green]

Oh, man, do we. I'm still. I still feel guilty about it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It never really leaves you, does it?

[Brian Green]

No, it doesn't. That original sin never leaves you. They get you from the moment you're born. And that's how they keep you around for so long, I've learned, is that they just fill you with guilt and then you're always going back to apologize for something.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But you know, virginity is a. Is a big deal as it should be treated, I think.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, definitely.

[Brian Green]

When you can start a new life through one particular act of seemingly orgasmic temptation, then you should, you know, it's a big deal. Keep it in your pants until you're ready to handle that or wrap it up or whatever. Some combination of something. Right. And never leave it up to somebody else's. No, never leave it up to somebody else to do. To do. That's all I gotta say. No matter who you are, no matter what kind of sex you choose to have, never leave it up to somebody else to protect yourself.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That's right.

[Brian Green]

That's it. Always make sure that you're protecting yourself. And then no matter what anybody else says or does, you got yourself covered, literally and figuratively. This episode brought to you by Trojan.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I know, right?

[Brian Green]

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[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Sure.

[Brian Green]

And as one of the first in my group to lose my virginity, I didn't do it for some like trophy. I just did it because I.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The opportunity presented itself.

[Brian Green]

It presented itself. There was a willing participant. We found ourselves ready, willing and able. And we did it. Right. And then again and again. And then again and again and again and again. Yes.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

Well, at least. Well, no. With the first time I ever had sex, I had sex with a girl, and then supposedly, at least she told me she had gotten pregnant. It turned into a whole debauch. I told you that story.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, you did. God, that's like the first time you drank, how you got sick.

[Brian Green]

I know. The first time I drank, I got. I ended up in not such great shape, and it scared me away. But this didn't scare me away from sex. No. I was right back at it a couple months later, just with someone else.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But, you know, there were other. There were girls in my life that, you know then they were also virgins and all that other stuff. So, you know, I.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Was it like a girlfriend or was it a friend that you guys kind of just were like, let's see what this is all about?

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I wouldn't call her a girlfriend. It was a friend. It was my sister's friend. It was my friend's sister.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

But you don't have a sister.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, I don't have a sister.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

I don't anymore. After that moment. After that moment, we decided we weren't going to be siblings anymore, just lovers.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That's very. Game of Thrones.

[Brian Green]

This episode canceled by Spot. It was my friend's sister.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Gotcha.

[Sponsor Voice]

Older.

[Brian Green]

She. The sister was my age.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, okay.

[Brian Green]

The friend was a little bit older by like a year and a half, two years.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

The sister went out to go study in somewhere for the summer abroad in Europe, like some kind of exchange program. And I ended up sleeping with her sister.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, okay.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. So it's fun for the whole family.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

His s.

[Brian Green]

No, hers.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, her. Oh, it was your friend. My friend was a girl, and then her sister got.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. So you can imagine. You can imagine all the fun and hijinks we all had together that summer. Anyway.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes, I can imagine.

[Brian Green]

It was a whole thing. But then I had. Then shortly thereafter, I got involved with what I would call a more serious girlfriend. You know, like kind of a love of, you know, your true love, your first love. And then she was a virgin. And then we tried many times to figure that out, and then we finally figured that out, you know, Also, it's sloppy. It's ugly. It's not usually all that much fun. I mean, you know, it's the first time you do anything. You're going to have to get used to it and figure it all out. Right. And there's. There are instruction books, but no one was in Catholic school. No one was telling you how to do it. They were telling you how to stay away from it. Yeah. Is what they were doing. They. They were explaining that it could happen, but they were saying it shouldn't happen to you. So there was not a lot of instruction. You know, like, now I imagine there's some finesse that goes on. Like, have you seen those? I think we talked about this one time in Denmark and other countries in Europe, they have paid for extensive documentaries on teenage sex.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

Where it is highly graphic. It's not porn. It's instructive. But you could probably whack off to it. You know what I'm saying? You could probably whack off to it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Especially if you're 15.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, if you're 15. I'd be whacking off to it. Right. It shows a bunch, you know, all the parts and the boobs.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Fantastic.

[Brian Green]

Different shapes. And here's a small labia and here's a big labia. And here's a thing. And here's the inside of a vagina. It was all kinds of. I watched probably three episodes of the Denmark one, which made a lot of news at the time, probably back in 2019, 2020 I. And it was English subtitles. It was incredibly instructive. I think it probably is like a green light to just go ahead and do it, but teenagers are going to go ahead and do it anyways.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You might as well be informed about all aspects of it.

[Brian Green]

I agree. Well, not this generation.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Not having porn teach you.

[Brian Green]

Now, porn is not going to tell you anything. You don't. Porn is not going to tell you anything. Good. I don't even like porn to this day. And here's the reason why. It's completely and absolutely obnoxiously incorrect. It does not have. These people are trained professionals. It's just like when you see someone jump a car or the BMX guy, you know, go over 50 cars. You cannot go tomorrow and take your BMX bike, or any bike for that matter, and jump over 50 cars. You know why? Because you're not a trained professional. Yeah, sex workers are trained professionals. It's what they do. They're given all kind of aids and edits and all this other stuff to make it look like that's what's happening, but that's not really what's happening. It's a job for them. Right. Anyway, all of this said, you know, when you first have sex, it's a very sloppy, ugly, sometimes painful thing to do, and you're going to have to get through that. Part in order to learn what you like and what you don't like and how to do it and where it's at, where the hole even lies. I mean, that's part of the complication is that when both of you don't know what's going on. You know, it was like, where do you stick it? I don't know. I have no idea. I say all this to say that I was watching Instagram the other day and somebody who I follow, he's got like a. It's. I wish I could remember the name of the account. I'll put the link down in the show notes. He's got something like can't camp with David or. And by when he means camp, it mean campy. Like, not like camp like you're going to camp, but like. And he shows all these clips of this old stuff that he considers campy. Right. A lot of Teresa Caputo stuff, which is why I started following him. A lot of TV psychics from the 80s and the 90s and just all this weird mix of all the stuff we like. Yeah, like nostalgia stuff. Right. And he the other day put together a clip from a Sally Jesse Raphael show.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, the red glasses.

[Brian Green]

The red glasses.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Takes me back.

[Brian Green]

Take Calgon, take me away. Do you remember Sally Jessai Raphael?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes, of course.

[Brian Green]

In the 90s, 80s and 90s, there was a smorgasbord, a proliferation of these daytime talk show televisions.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, God, so many. Did Oprah kind of start it?

[Brian Green]

She definitely started it. She started it locally in Chicago.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Phil Donahue.

[Brian Green]

Well, Phil Donahue was well before.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think so. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

There were a couple of nighttime versions like Robert Downey Jr. Senior. Robert Downey Jr. Senior.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Jr. Senior.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Robert Downey Senior, I think was his name. He was like this loudmouth brashed. Geraldo was there loudmouth brass guys that would put together these like crazy nighttime or daytime, basically radio on tv, like these radio talk shows, these Howard Sternish type shows. Radio on tv. And then came a more refined version of that, like your morning wake up show locally. But it would be like an hour long where they would talk to people. You know, my boyfriend, you know, I have a 75 inch penis. You know, like bringing subjects.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just let it fly.

[Brian Green]

Oh, no, no, no, no. You just let fly. You just let rip. What did she say?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Oh, no, that's not it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

You just let fly.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Just let fly.

[Brian Green]

Right? So there's all like they're. They're finding their way in the early mid-80s with the Donahues. And if you don't know who Donahue is, I'm not. I'm not gonna try and school you on it, but go. Go Google it with the Donah locally in Chicago. And then her show starts getting syndicated everywhere. Then you've got Oprah. But she very much starts not as the Oprah you would know today.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No.

[Brian Green]

But as like a junkie daytime talk show host. She would bring on weird people and races or. I. I've been pregnant, you know, I was pregnant at this. I was twice pregnant at the same time.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No, I was pregnant.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I didn't know I was pregnant or my daughter's out of control, whatever.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It was basically the Internet.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

On tv.

[Brian Green]

There you go. That's a good one. That is it. You're right. The Internet on tv. All the oddities and weird things and the stuff that you don't talk about in. In Common Company, you would see some.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Of your family at the dinner table until.

[Brian Green]

Until these shows started talking about it more and more. It's very much following the flavor of pop culture and society and talking more and more about things that typically were not talking about bringing it out into the light. So then you get this. Then you get another string after kind of the Oprah Donoghue. Hugh. You get bring it down a lower rung that's even a little bit later. But you're talking about now, like Jenny Jones.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Green]

Sally Jesse Raphael, Ricky Lake. That's right. And. And others who kind of come in and they have their daytime. Daytime TV from like 2 o' clock to like 5:30 was filled with these programs.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah. And it was basically looking back on it too, because now I'm thinking about daytime talk shows now, like say, Drew Barrymore. And it. It was very, very different. This was like. All of the sets kind of looked the same. There was like a. You were kind of in the round.

[Brian Green]

You were sitting on a chair much like this. Yeah. Like, you know, in a semi circle.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Amphitheater type thing where they stacked up, you know, went up and then in the middle was the stage and basically just chairs. And these people just sat there and were interviewed by the host. And then they would take questions from the audience.

[Brian Green]

The crowd would get involved. That's right. It was very, very simple, very straightforward. Question answer, question answer, question answer. And then it got more and more rowdy. And then they, the producers looked for more, more and more things that could kind of get people talking. Right. Whatever the.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It was clickbait.

[Brian Green]

It was it was tabloid tv. Yeah. For the most part. Oprah went a different way, but she was the only one. Yeah. Everyone else went the other way. She's the only one who went up. They went down until, you know, then you get Jerry Springer and all those other shows that Maury Povich and all that other shit that comes along. Sally Jesse Raphael, while she tried to start off semi serious, had to go down that route, too, because that's what gets the clicks, that's what gets the eyeballs. And so I found an episode that this guy cut a clip of that I then went and watched, you know, most of the episode, about a pair of sisters, one who loses her virginity and one who doesn't as teenagers. And the fact that this is even a conversation that is happening on television that everyone thinks is a big deal is just an indication of how puritan society was not even 30 or 40 years ago. We're not even a generation out. And now you show your labia on Instagram as a fundraiser for kids with cancer. Right. It's a labiathon for cancer. It's insane. Insane. So what I'd like to do, if you don't mind, let's all go back nostalgically to Sally Jesse Raphael and a time when not only were we pure as human beings, but the society in general was puritanical. And we all got upset about talking about virginity on tv. Not to mention these two sisters are. These two sisters are characters. I mean, it's a very. It's very interesting. It's bad sister, good sister, mom in the middle, trying to figure it all out. It's. It's so fascinating to watch this.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, yeah, time capsule.

[Brian Green]

It's a little snapshot, a little Americana for you. Now, I don't even know what part of evolution in Americana we are, I think pretty much the.

[Rachel]

The end.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, the end. I think the year 2000, the year 1998, was the last great year of America, let's put it that way. Maybe 2000. Maybe 2000. But we had Y2K and everyone was all freaked out. Anyway, let's take a break, and when we get back to the magic of my tv, I'm going to put Sally Jesse Raphael on, and we're going to watch these clips together as a family. We're going to talk about it as a family. Let's get it out in the open. You're not losing your virginity. Yeah. Family talk.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Who's.

[Brian Green]

Who's lost their virginity. Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Living room.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. And if you think I had the type of parents that I would go and be like, hey, dad, guess what? I boned somebody. Fuck. No. But then I had to tell him because she said she was pregnant.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, my God. I remember you telling the whole story.

[Brian Green]

And my dad had the following words of wisdom for me. Well, you're fucked. You've fucked your life. You've fucked it all up.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, my God, my earpieces fell out.

[Brian Green]

You laugh so hard. Those are my dad's words. He said, well, you fucked it all up, kid.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Now you've done it.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, well, it ended up she wasn't pregnant. Just to put a cap on that story, she wasn't pregnant. I don't have a love child out there somewhere. But needless to say, there wasn't a second merry go round on that. There was a second ride on that merry go round. All right, we'll take a break. We'll be back.

[Rachel]

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[Brian Green]

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[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

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[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

A galaxy far, far away.

[Brian Green]

Seriously, there's a kid that I know. His name is Chris. What's up, Chris? Chris Z. Let's leave. Let's leave it at that. Chris Z was like one of my few friends that I had in grade school when I lived back in Chicago. And when we left Chicago, we left not in a hurry, but we'd only, you know, the kids only got a month or two notice that we were going, that I remember. And we came back down, we came down here to Atlanta. And while we visited, you know, I wouldn't say frequently, but enough when we went back, I never really got reconnect with Chris until about six weeks ago when after decades of searching for him, I finally got a bone. Like I got a bite somewhere on the Internet and I was like, I think that's him. And I sniffed it all the way to a place where I could contact him. And so we've been going back and forth and it's been a lot of fun. He has kept, he kept all the. We went to grade school from, from first to fourth grade together. And he has all of the yearbooks. Yes. And he has been sending them to me. And we have been commiserating about the people in the class, you know. Oh, who did you go to the skating party with? Oh, I think I wrote her a Valentine's Day, you know, like all that stuff. And this would have, I mean, this is probably later than this episode is on, but still not that much later. And it feels to me like this was that time, right? This 80s, late 80s when life was just a little different. It was different and you didn't. You'd be lucky if you knew who was president, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, you knew who was president, but you'd be lucky if you ever heard about politics, at least the way that I remember it. Of course, I was seven, so why would I know about politics? But anyway, here's Sally Jesse Raphael and we're talking about virginity. All right, let's get into it.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There she is, the signature red rimmed glasses with the big shoulder pads.

[Brian Green]

Yes, huge shoulder pads. They really are. For some reason.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

For some reason is right.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. All right. Why is this. Okay, all right, so let's take a listen. Here is the old Sally Jesse Raphael show.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Raphael, Come on, everybody's doing it. Oh, don't worry, this thing doesn't hurt. Seems these days that sex and especially this thing.

[Brian Green]

What are you talking about specifically, Sally, please tell me.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

I think your virginity is on every teenager's mind when it comes to it's.

[Brian Green]

Always been on every teenager's mind, Sally.

[Darlene]

Yeah, I'm just not interested right now.

[Brian Green]

I just want to wait to find the right girl.

[Darlene]

I would like to keep my vagina.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I love that they're playing let's talk about Sex.

[Brian Green]

Let's talk about sex, baby. Let's talk about you and me let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be. Let's talk about sex. Remember they had sex that was revolutionary at the time because they were holding condoms up and they were putting them.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Like Left eye was early 90s then. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Oh, this is early 90s.

[Darlene]

Okay, mom, just stop pressuring me.

[Takisha]

She does not get a along with people her age.

[Darlene]

No more negligees and no more condoms.

[Brian Green]

Okay, so she's just holier than all. No, I do not.

[Takisha]

Every time a guy looks at her, all they think about is sex.

[Darlene]

I just can't handle.

[Brian Green]

Thanks, mom. Why is mom getting involved in your virginity? Mom.

[Darlene]

Of the way that you act.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

My guests today say they're doing what most teenagers today would consider unthinkable.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I've got a little thing too that says says lose your virginity or else.

[Brian Green]

Or else.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Is that what somebody was saying her mom.

[Brian Green]

Their mom.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, the mom.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Wait, okay, okay.

[Brian Green]

So Sally's saying we're having people on that most teenagers their age wouldn't think about doing. I do remember feeling like when I had sex at 15 years old, I was like way ahead of the curve.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Like my friends were talking about it, but certainly we're not doing it.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

They feel that they want to save their virginity.

[Brian Green]

Oh, okay. So she's saying that the teenagers want to save their virginity.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Their family, their friends. They say these virgins are cheating themselves out of this terrific experience. They're so desperate for their friends to lose their virginity that they go to any lengths to help them. As they say, lose it.

[Brian Green]

Now, as the kids say, lose it. Lose it. I never once said that. No kid ever said that.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Please meet 16 year old Takisha. Takisha says she was so tired of her mother and her 13 year old sister Natasha constantly pressuring her to lose her virginity. 13, she couldn't take anymore. She moved out of the house.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. 13. Why is your 13 year old sister out? Yeah. Pressuring you to have sex. This is a way advanced family.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

These are not Irish Catholics. I'll tell you that right now.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

She says her 13 year old sister Natasha just lost her virginity and is nothing more than a cheap slot.

[Rachel]

Wow.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay. Slut shaming at the OG level.

[Brian Green]

Imagine, farts are wonderful things. She's nothing but a cheap slut. 13 is a little young. I gotta. I gotta tell you. I mean, no shade if that's. What if you feel you're mature enough to have sex. Listen, if you can get it hard and someone can get it in, I. I guess it's time to have sex, right? I don't know. I have no idea.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Also blames her mot.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, you're a cheap slut. I know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The audience is clapping because she called her a cheap slut.

[Brian Green]

Geez, it's awesome.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Takisha blames her mother for mold.

[Brian Green]

And we wonder why we're at where we're at societally today.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Her sister that.

[Brian Green]

Meanwhile you and I are sitting here.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Yakkling about it now. Takisha's mom Darlene and Takisha's sister Natasha are listening backstage. They'll be out with us in a minute.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I was picturing a different look from the sister.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I was picturing very matronly.

[Brian Green]

She does Laura Ashley pullover, white long sleeve shirt. Her mom, by the way, has the haircut. The young boy of a 1992 race car driver. But not like a NASCAR race car driver, like a race car driver at your local track. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Short on the top, party in the back.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Wanted to talk to Takesha alone. Takesha is 16 years old. Very nice name. She's 1/2American Indian, right?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

What tribe?

[Darlene]

Itochi, Waxachi and Cherokee.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay, we've got an Itaki in the crowd.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, Wataki, Otaki. Watachi.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

After talking to a lot of teens on my show, I think you're definitely at 16, among the minority of your generation. Now.

[Brian Green]

If you're looking for a lover, I'm right here.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

You say that you disapprove of your mother and your sister's lifestyle and you were tired of them harassing you mother.

[Brian Green]

And the sister's lifestyle.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, they're in the lifestyle.

[Brian Green]

They're in the lifestyle. And why would Mom. Why would we know about mom's lifestyle?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Like when you lived with them.

[Darlene]

It was horrible. I was always being pressured. They constantly had boys in the house.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

To try to introduce you.

[Darlene]

Yeah, she gave me promiscuous items.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

What do you mean promiscuous items like.

[Darlene]

A negligee and condoms and anything that she could think of that would.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, condoms are good. Okay. When you turn, when you get to a sexually mature age, you should at least know what a condom is and probably have access to them. That's my opinion. I haven't gotten to that point with any of my children, so maybe I'll feel differently then. But I'm not handing my son like, you know, a banana hammock and telling him to go to it. Go get it. Do you want to lose it, son? Are you interested in losing it? Everybody's losing it. Who?

[Darlene]

My mother.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Your mother gave you a negligee? Yeah, it's over there. Right, right.

[Brian Green]

It's right here.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Let me see.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh my God. That's like nothing now.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that is. That's fully clothed.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

And condoms.

[Darlene]

Yes, she gave me these right here. I have a whole big bottle full and they're in storage.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Why did your mother do this? I don't understand.

[Darlene]

She says that by losing my virginity it will loosen me up and I'll get more friends and boyfriends and.

[Brian Green]

Wow, mama. The year award.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, they're doing a split screen too. So you can see the mother's in.

[Brian Green]

The mother's in the background. Yeah, she's in the back. Yeah, she's going, that's not true. I lost two of my teeth this morning.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I think she did.

[Brian Green]

She did.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

And your sister feels the same way?

[Darlene]

Yes, she's all right. She's already lost her virginity and she's, you know, she goes out with all these guys and everything and I just don't want that.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

You know, I'm worried about. It was so bad that your mother and sister pressuring you. Where do you live now?

[Darlene]

Well, I live in. Well, it's sort of my own apartment. I live half with my grandma and just half by myself. I live in an apartment, but in an apartment.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

And half by your grandma and half by herself. What does that mean? Does that mean you have two separate rooms? Because that's just called living with your grandma.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That seems like ideal. When you were 16, you wanted your own place.

[Brian Green]

Fuck yeah. I mean, you're not having much fun, it sounds like. But that's okay. Whatever you're into. I'm not here to judge whether or not you have sex or don't have sex. But I am going to get a little judgy about the 13 year old. I can already see that. I'm not. I'm going to.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I'm a little judgy about them letting a 16 year old live in her on her own.

[Brian Green]

What's half with her grandma? She's at least she's taken care of half the time.

[Darlene]

She lives there, but she's not there all the time.

[Brian Green]

What does grandmother say?

[Darlene]

Grandma says that moms.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

So it's a Good generational thing that's happening here.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The grandmother to the mother to the child.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Important to ask you, Takisha. Why do you want to wait to have sex?

[Darlene]

Because I think if you wait till you're married, then. Well, most people that keep their virtue till they're married, they. They stay in the marriage for. For lifetime. And that's what I want. I don't want to.

[Brian Green]

I don't know what, what stats you're reading, girl, but that's not true. Wasn't true back then. Not true now.

[Darlene]

I don't want to respect me.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

So your self esteem and your respect is very important. Right.

[Brian Green]

To you.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

All right.

[Brian Green]

Admirable.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You know. Yeah, that's good.

[Brian Green]

All right. Sounds like she's got a right head on her shoulders. Yeah.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Your mom and sister will have a lot to say. Come on out.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

If she gets divorced later. But anyways.

[Brian Green]

Exactly.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Darlene and Natasha.

[Brian Green]

Darlene. Darlene and Natasha.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There they go, the Scarlet Scarlet women.

[Brian Green]

Yes. Now coming around the track, number 15, Darlene. And now entering the ring, Natasha, the ugly slut.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Darlene. You heard the audience. They're kind of appalled at this. And you also heard what Takisha was saying and we were kind of surprised. You told our producers that you wanted your daughter to lose her virginity.

[Takisha]

Yes.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Why?

[Takisha]

Because she has no social life.

[Brian Green]

Life. Oh my. We're just talking about this with a guest you'll hear in the future. But it's like, please, please, somebody in government. I know you're not doing any work right now, but when you get back to work, could you please do us a favor and figure out a way to have some kind of licensing for parents or would be parents. This is. I don't care what your reasoning is for wanting to be a virgin. Not wanting to be a virgin. This is almost secondary to the conversation we need to have about this mother. She looks mean. I mean, this lady looks like she was rode hard and put out wet.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I was thinking the same. Yeah.

[Brian Green]

She's had a hard life. Yeah. Maybe that's where her perspective comes from.

[Takisha]

She does not understand people her age. She does not get along with people her age. For one, for men, our boys either want. You cannot put her in a room with them for longer than 10 minutes and she don't get along with them.

[Darlene]

I like adults. I like adults. That is what my. My social life is around people that are older than me. And I think that is good because.

[Brian Green]

The teenagers, that's not too good for these.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I said for the adults.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Why are they hanging out with 16? Yeah, 16 year old. I mean, listen, if it's purely innocent and you just happen to be hanging around your grandma's friends. Yeah, your grandma's friends or whatever. Okay, I can understand, but why the grandmother lives.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Only lives there half the.

[Brian Green]

And where is she the other half of the time? Where is grandma? On cruises or something? This is so weird. Where's the documentary on this family? Because I need to watch it immediately.

[Darlene]

Netflix, they are just. They're not like me.

[Brian Green]

Look at the opinionated crowd.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right girl?

[Brian Green]

You so right, girl.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I'll hang out with you.

[Brian Green]

You know, this is why we can't go to a concert without the crowd getting involved by throwing up phones or something. It's all started with Sally, Jesse, Raphael and the likes when the crowd is just way too animated for a crowd.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Darlene, most teenagers today can't even talk about sex. But your 13 year old daughter Natasha is sexually active.

[Takisha]

Yeah.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Is that a good thing?

[Takisha]

To a point, yeah.

[Brian Green]

To a point. Yeah. It brings in extra revenue.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh my God.

[Takisha]

I mean, I mean, why? It depends, you know, I mean, how many teenagers do you have nowadays that aren't, you know, I watch her, you know, and I mean, I'm not going to be against her because more I'm against her, the more she's going to do, you know.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

But 13 isn't 13.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I mean, does the difference between encouraging.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, and there's a difference between giving the absolute green light and saying it's good for your social life.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

And saying, I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think you're ready.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

But here's some condoms.

[Brian Green]

But here's some condoms.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

If you have any questions just in case.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, that's right.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Stuff that comes with being active.

[Takisha]

Yeah, there is a lot.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Natasha, you lost your virginity at 13. Was that the right thing to do?

[H]

Yeah, I think it was, you know.

[Brian Green]

It was a guy I cared about, you know, and she really. God, let her talk. What?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I said God, let her talk.

[Brian Green]

They don't, they don't ever let her talk. Why do we come here? I want to be at the racetrack playing the ponies.

[Darlene]

She really doesn't have no self respect or morals.

[Brian Green]

Or teeth for that matter. This runs in the family, yeah? Yes, sir.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

To be fair, she's 13. Her baby teeth might have just gone.

[Brian Green]

Well, that's true. You might be right about that. Do you, do you think that only thing that guys want from your daughters.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Is sex or something?

[Takisha]

No. I'll tell you one thing right now. My daughter has Every time a guy looks at her that all they think about is sex. My daughter's life is sitting in the apartment eating and watching tv. The only time she gets out, she don't do nothing. You don't think there's anything other, other.

[Brian Green]

Constructive things she can do rather than have sex? Amen.

[Takisha]

No, but I mean, if she would even find a guy. I have a job.

[Darlene]

I have a job. I have a job at home. I read books and I make money for it.

[Brian Green]

Wait, ah, wait. You want to tell me we've been doing this for five years and you can sit at home, read books and make money? God damn it, lakeisha, tell us how to do this.

[Darlene]

And plus, I worked for my grandmother and I had things to do at home.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Working for the grandmother.

[Brian Green]

Where is the grandmother?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Get the grandmother.

[Brian Green]

This is the part we wanted. This is the piece of the puzzle.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

We'Re missing There have the time. She also has her 16 year old working for her. Yeah. Doing what?

[Brian Green]

I, I, I don't know. It seems like mom has the 13 year old working for her in a whole different capacity, if you ask me. And then where is grandma? And why isn't she home all the time with a 16 year old? I mean, at least most of the time. Like the occasional weekend out. Yeah. If you could drive and all that, you know, you had a neighbor check in or something, I could get that.

[Darlene]

A home person. I don't really like going to clubs or bars or anything else.

[Brian Green]

You shouldn't be. You're 16.

[Darlene]

Staying at home and, and you know, I'm a reading person, y'.

[Brian Green]

All.

[Darlene]

I like my friends to come over.

[Takisha]

And she don't even get out to go to the park or do nothing.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

But let me ask. Get out and go into the park.

[Brian Green]

Get out and go into the park.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Going and having sex.

[Brian Green]

Going. You're absolutely right, Chrissy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Big shift.

[Brian Green]

Although there's a lot of things in.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Between going to the park and having sex.

[Brian Green]

For a period of my life. Going to the park. That's right. For a period of my life, going to the park and having sex, we're in fact intertwined. But I can understand what you're.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Darlene, how do you feel about your mother who's taking care of her now?

[Takisha]

I disagree with her because she tells my daughter that she's not supposed to have guys for friends, that it's not right to have guys for friends.

[Darlene]

She had this program, very old fashioned. But, you know, I think it's all right to have guys for friends. But when it comes to guys I'm just not interested right now.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Right.

[Brian Green]

All right. It's 2025. We're gonna call back to you and just let you know from the future that there's a whole community of people that are with you and you don't have to be afraid of whatever it is.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What's the show? Have you been watching that show? Did you continue watching the Virgin show?

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, the Virgin show got cut short. Did you know that? It got cut short? Yeah. I don't know. Why?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, they. Well, because they all had sex.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, they all had sex. That's right.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Yes.

[Darlene]

How is having sex? Sex is gonna get your daughter a lot more friends.

[Takisha]

For one, she's real high strung when she talks to anybody.

[Brian Green]

God, this mom is losing her eyes. So great. Oh, my God.

[Takisha]

Gets the least little mad like she did with a friend of ours who is. I have to say, he is abusive mentally and physically, and he's 17 years old.

[Brian Green]

Okay, so what? Huh? Hold on. Wait. What? You want her to have sex with a dude who's mentally and physically abusive? Hold on.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I do have to say.

[Brian Green]

I do have to say. I do have to say. He didn't beat the shit out of her.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

God.

[Takisha]

Abusive mentally and physically, and he's 17 years old. She got into a fight with him. He almost pushed her into a glass table while she went back to my mom's got a club and was gonna come back and beat my car, which me and half my youngest daughter beat my car.

[Brian Green]

What?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I'm so.

[Brian Green]

I'm sorry. I didn't follow any of this. What does this have to do with the question was living there.

[Darlene]

Okay.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, yeah, because the other woman said, how do you. How will that make her more social?

[Brian Green]

More social.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And then she brought up this incident.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, there was a guy and he was abusive, and then they got a club and then there was a glass t. We're all going to McDonald's for dinner. I don't know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

She won't be friends with him.

[Brian Green]

Well, sounds like she's making the right choice.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

I say she has a good sense.

[Takisha]

Of self esteem, but she was gonna take it out on my car. You know what happened to her? She turned around to my mom in their apartment with a club in her hand getting ready to leave, and she shot blood all over my mom. Soaked my bottle of pest.

[Darlene]

Stroke. That was what the problem was.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Blood.

[Brian Green]

What? How do you shoot blood?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Holy shit.

[Brian Green]

And what did she just say? I had a stroke? Did she say I had a stroke?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That's what happened.

[Brian Green]

My God. Wait. This is so wild. This is the wildest.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It sounds like the grandmother lives close because the daughter went over and grabbed a club at the grandmother's and was coming back, but that's when she shot blood.

[Brian Green]

I'm sorry, TCB audience. I've completely lost track of what's going on here. I don't even know what this episode is about anymore. Hold on, let's listen. Did she say she had a stroke?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, God.

[Takisha]

In their apartment with a club in her hand, getting ready to leave. And she shot blood all over my mom. Soaked my mom.

[Darlene]

I almost had a stroke. That was what the problem was.

[Brian Green]

I go, how do you. How does a stroke. I've never seen anyone bleed from a stroke.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Not out their mouth, like Exorcist style, I guess.

[Brian Green]

I don't know what's going on.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Takisha]

I almost had a shot to 300 and something, you know. And she could have died.

[Brian Green]

What does that have to do with friends?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And why did blood shoot out of the mouth? I still don't know.

[Brian Green]

I don't know. This is. This family needs to be monitored by some kind of authority.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I hope that somebody was monitoring after this air.

[Brian Green]

Yes.

[Darlene]

He really pissed me off.

[Rachel]

First of all, I'm finding this totally appalling.

[Brian Green]

I have my 16 year old here and we spend hours talking. Oh, God. Okay. There's a lady standing up to get a question. There's a kid that's. She's standing up and there's a kid sitting next to her. And that kid. I. I don't even know how to describe this without. I mean, poor kid. Poor guy. Yeah. Let's just put it this way. I don't think anybody's looking to lose their virginity to this guy. Reputation and just values. And she shouldn't have to defend having values like that.

[Darlene]

You know what? In my hometown, they call me a whore.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And not. What?

[Rachel]

Because.

[Brian Green]

Because, that's why.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Because she doesn't.

[Takisha]

To have a daughter like you with.

[Brian Green]

Values like that and you have to live with yourself.

[H]

I know.

[Brian Green]

Sorry, I disagree.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Noted.

[Brian Green]

Thanks for your opinion.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And noted.

[Brian Green]

Yes, sir.

[Rachel]

Sorry.

[Brian Green]

I have two.

[Takisha]

I got.

[Brian Green]

I have two things I want to say.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Is she getting called a when she won't have sex?

[Brian Green]

Yeah. I'm completely bizarro episode.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Bizarro.

[Brian Green]

Bizarro county that they're living in and where do they live is the question. I want to stay away from this.

[Takisha]

The young ladies. I'm very proud of you, you understand?

[Brian Green]

Because first of all, is he wearing a medal with his graduation photo on it? What is going on in this town? Sally? Jesse Raphael was the wildest show on tv, and I never watched it. Okay, now there's another guy getting up to stand up to ask a question. And he has a medallion on a black, like yarn swinging around his neck that's got his graduation photograph.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Is it either his or his child?

[Brian Green]

Maybe.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

I don't know. What's.

[Brian Green]

Is that a purity picture? Oh. First of all, I think you're more mature than your mother is. Well, I agree with you there.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Brian Green]

And I like to say you used.

[Takisha]

To be ashamed of yourself trying to tell your daughter to make.

[Brian Green]

To have sex.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

To make sex.

[Brian Green]

To make sex. I agree. Don't make no more sex. No. And Sally, see, she can't catch AIDS.

[Takisha]

By sitting in the house reading books.

[Brian Green]

Well, even the mom said that's true.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That.

[Brian Green]

That's true. Good. Good point.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Natasha. Natasha, why do you think your sister ought to have sex?

[Brian Green]

What?

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Why do you think so?

[Brian Green]

Well, she thinks men are just sex crazy.

[Darlene]

No. And they're not. They, you know, they have feelings. No, they're not. Most of teenagers are, believe me. Not if you get a nice guy. In my hometown, all the guys that I have ever met are sex crazed.

[Brian Green]

And, I mean, how would you know that?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You could just take some blood from your mouth.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, just spit out some blood on everybody. I don't think you're gonna have a hard time keeping the guys away. All right, well, we're gonna try and figure out what's going on and where they live and where they live next.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

And we'll be back on the commercial break.

[Brian Green]

On the commercial break. We'll be back after the break.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. You just let fly.

[Rachel]

Okay. You're probably wondering why I, Rachel, have taken over the voice duties at tcb. It's pretty simple. Astrid asked me to shut Brian up, even for a minute. Well, lovely Astrid, your wish is my command. Do you want to help Astrid, too? You know you do. Leave a message for her or me or Chrissy at 212-4333. That's 212-433-3822. You can be on the show, too. Just call and say something, anything. Or text us, and we'll text you right back. Promise. Then head over to tcbpodcast.com and get your free sticker. It's your constitutional right to a sticker, and we must abide. You get the point? Follow us on Instagram at the commercial break and watch all the episodes on [e-mail] break the commercial break Best to you and Astrid. Especially Astrid.

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[Brian Green]

Okay, we're back with a Sally Jessie Raphael. You better lose your virginity or else.

[Darlene]

I've heard it from dozens of girls who live where I live.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Well, let me be honest. There are some very nice young men.

[Darlene]

Yes, but they're very rare.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It looks like there was one in the audience there next to the yeah.

[Brian Green]

That woman has a lovely, lovely young man if you want to meet him. He doesn't seem like he'd know what to do with it if he found it. So there you go.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Brandon.

[Brian Green]

I can't.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Hi. I don't know your hometown. What would you like to say? This is your chance. What? You're on national television. What do you want to say to.

[Brian Green]

Your mother and the exact right place to be settling family disputes.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

This is your chance.

[Brian Green]

If we've learned anything, it's that settling family disputes on national daytime tv, the.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Only way to go.

[Brian Green]

Men's fences in a way that in a counselor's office. This reminds me, I'm watching that 7 Little Johnston's is back and one of the children is kind of wilding out. She's an adult, but she's kind of wilding out. She was adopted. She's Russian. Seems like just a kid that's a little bit lost.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

But man, that family, for all the seven little Johnson's, all kind of the formulaic episodes where they play a game and they take some pictures and they do a TikTok or whatever. They air every bit of laundry all the time on that show.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You have to after this many seasons.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, they just let fly. I mean, they let fly. They really do. And I just keep thinking myself, God, are you doing irreparable damage to the family unit by telling millions of people.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

That is correct.

[Brian Green]

How you feel about your daughter when it's not that complimentary. Like, I'm sure we all. I'm sure I'm going to feel that way about some of my kids at some point, but I'm not going to go on the podcast and talk about it. No, I said I don't think I will.

[Sponsor Voice]

Mom.

[Darlene]

Just stop pressuring me because, you know, I'm going to live my own life the way. The way I want to live it. You know, at least if you stop pressuring me, then, then, you know, I can start coming around again. And, you know, I just can't handle the way that you act. You know, no more negligees and no more condoms.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Okay.

[Brian Green]

Coming up. Yeah, that mom looks scary. Scary. All right, let's see what's up next. All right, that was the other thing is, is this is really the advent of like the five minute storyline. And what I mean by that is, is that this is when TV starts moving a little quicker. Right. You're not spoiled. Spend spending as much time on one particular story. You're just pushing it along.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

But he's doing it these days. They really are. Today we're talking to teens who say, gosh, they're happy that they have their virginity. The problem is there's tremendous pressure. Their friends and in some cases, their family are pressuring them to have sex. I want you to meet Jessica and Brooke. Now, they say they've made the decision to.

[Brian Green]

Jeez, look at that hair.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

The hair?

[Brian Green]

Yeah. One hair looks wet and, like, padded, like, matted down to the head, and one looks wet and teased.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Wait for sex until they meet the right man and they don't want to sleep around.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

However, I have to say, you know, a lot of times fashion stuff, you know, makes its way back, and I'm so happy that hairstyle never did.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. That hairstyle go away. Same with the Laura Ashley dress. I mean, I can understand why it's cute on children. I get that. That part. They're.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Really tired of this enormous social and family pressure, and they want the harassment to stop. Crystal and Donnie have lost their virginity. They're the girls friends, and they say Jessica and Brooke should just get it over with and stop teasing.

[Brian Green]

Oh, okay.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

The guys they date, Crystal and Donnie are listening backstage. They'll join us in a minute. So they're each girl's girlfriend, right? You got that? Jessica, let me start with you. Just like Takisha, you. You're 16 and you're a virgin. What is it about your friend Crystal's sexual behavior that causes you problems that you don't like?

[H]

Well, because I love her very much, and I just don't want to see her get hurt. I'm afraid that she could get any kind of disease. She doesn't know, you know, and she says that she uses protection. I don't know that. We've been friends for five years and I'd hate to see something.

[Brian Green]

How would you know that?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, I know.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Like, I mean, she said she did. Yeah, she said she did. She did. What are you going to do? You want to be involved?

[H]

Because I really love her a lot.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

And she loves you. And she pressures you, too, a little.

[H]

Yeah, to an extent.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Okay. How do you stand up among your friends? I mean, isn't that kind of difficult thing?

[Brian Green]

I use my legs and I push my upper quadrants, and then I balance on my toes.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

You do?

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[H]

I kind of ignore it, but I kind of tell them, hey, this is me, and if you don't like me, you don't have to be my friend.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Good.

[Brian Green]

Good for. It actually is good. It's a little refreshing to see teenagers who stand on business. You know what I'm saying?

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Jessica, you were dating someone that wanted to have sex with you, but you refused. Right?

[H]

Yes.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

What happened?

[Darlene]

We were together.

[H]

We weren't together that long. Maybe two months. And he wanted to do. I was like, no. Well, then that's when him and Crystal started talking. And some things happened between.

[Brian Green]

Oh, snap.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Now we're in a whole other quadrant.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Now, this is Sally. Jesse knows how to make it interesting. Interesting. Now, I also am remembering back to that time when it was like, how long you had been dating was, like, maybe an indication of when you should be doing certain things. Like, you know, a week or a month in. Second base. Third base. Yeah. You know, you're fingering at a month in or whatever. And then just. I also remember a time, it's sometime in high school, when I just started thinking all of that was very ridiculous. Like, what? What. What do we. Wait. What's. How there's a time period. We need to be waiting.

[H]

I personally believe she slept with him.

[Brian Green]

She says no, and that's when I started pressuring my friends, lose your virginity or else.

[H]

But he's told me that she did sleep in. People at school that's got around say she told him that, and I don't know what.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

So he told you he slept with her? And a lot of friends have told you. Do you still love her if she slept with your boyfriend?

[H]

Oh, yeah. I don't want to have anything come between our friendship. I don't want to have something like that. I'm hurt because I can't believe she did that to me.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

You're hurt, but you still love her?

[Brian Green]

Oh, yeah.

[H]

A guy isn't anything to throw a good friendship over.

[Brian Green]

All right, all right. I like this girl's way of thinking so far. But then again, if your friend really did sleep with your boyfriend, then I don't know that she's the best friend to have.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Is there something wrong?

[Brian Green]

That said, when you're a teenager, it's all just gray area. It's so gray, Ray, with Crystal's behavior.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

You said that she does things that kind of make you feel very uncomfortable. Like she was stripping. Was she?

[H]

Oh, yes.

[Brian Green]

What?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What Things that make me feel uncomfortable. She was stripping.

[Brian Green]

Stripping. Now stripping, like getting ready to go to the pool or stripping professionally, you gotta add some context.

[H]

Strip for $50 on a table.

[Brian Green]

That bothers me.

[H]

And I'm afraid that.

[Brian Green]

Look at the girl in the back is like, vehemently denying all of it. But you know for a fact that she is the one lying. She did it.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

What? What?

[Brian Green]

Where?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

What happened?

[H]

Guys are gonna think she's so easy. And she does have a reputation. Around school. And I try to defend her, but it's hard for me to defend her when sometimes I feel the same way. Way. And I don't know how to help her.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Stripping incident.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's go back. What happened?

[Sponsor Voice]

She.

[H]

She was at a party with another friend. I wasn't there and she was. Some guy told her he'd give her 50 bucks. So she stripped on the table. You know, she sit on this table and stripped down to the nude.

[Brian Green]

Yeah. Like down to the nude or into her bra and panties or. I mean, I don't want to get graphic because the girls are young, but I. I want to know because I think it almost matters. You know what I'm saying? Like, stripping nude.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Right.

[Brian Green]

At 15, 16 years old, for a guy that's giving you 50 bucks is way fudgeing weird. Yeah, yeah. Bra and panties. And there's a bunch of other teenagers in the room. That's just teenage bullshit. You know what I'm saying? That's just. I did that. I stripped down to my panties a lot.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Why don't we hear what Crystal has to say? Crystal, come on out. We'll find out.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, let's get Crystal out here. It's not time to meet your maker on national tv. That's right, on national tv, where all good arguments are settled.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

If they want to.

[Brian Green]

Yeah, let them hug and kiss it out.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

She says, because she wouldn't have sex with a former boyfriend. You did, she says. Is it true or is it not?

[Brian Green]

It's not true. I can't believe she doesn't trust me. It's just. Cause people told her that.

[Darlene]

Why did he tell me that?

[Brian Green]

Cause he's a liar. He lied to us so bad. He was trying to go out with us at the same time. And then she. And then one day Jessica was just like, brad, just tell me.

[H]

What about the girl at school?

[Brian Green]

That's.

[H]

Girls at school that. Tell me that.

[Brian Green]

You said you know about the girls at school. Jessica. They're all lying. And I'm not. I don't believe everything I hear about you, which is like. Not that you're very innocent either. Well, you know. Oh, what kind of thickens? What kind. What in the heathers is going on here?

[H]

I don't sleep around.

[Brian Green]

She thinks she's this holier than all. No, I do not.

[H]

Yeah, I do not think I'm holy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes, you do.

[Brian Green]

No, I do. She has the power because she's. She has the power.

[Sponsor Voice]

You're right.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

You are right.

[Brian Green]

She does not know.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

It seems healthy.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Brian Green]

Jessica, I'm not. Or whatever her name is. I'm not sure this is the hill you want to die on here.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Had a lot of partners. Sexual partners?

[Brian Green]

I wouldn't say a lot. 50 or 60?

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

No.

[Takisha]

I wouldn't say.

[Brian Green]

About 10, 15 years old.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Yikes.

[Brian Green]

Well, okay. To each their own. Two years. 10 guys. That's like five a year. Yes. Yeah. We can do this math. Thanks. It's like five a year. She did the math for her.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Figured that out.

[Brian Green]

That's like a lot of people.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Crystal, you are just for your sexuality.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Want to tell Crystal anything in front of us?

[H]

I love you very much. I'm afraid you're gonna get hurt.

[Brian Green]

You know that? I'm not gonna do anything that's stupid or ridiculous. Well, how do I know I'm not? I'm not. I have not.

[Takisha]

No, no, no.

[Brian Green]

I have. Have not slept around lately. I don't do that anymore. It was just. Yeah, it was just. It was about a month ago. That's when I was sleeping around. I'm. I'm cured of it now. When. It was just when I was younger. When I was younger and now I slowed down a lot because I care about her. Because I know how she feels about it, and I know that she's worried about. Why is everybody talking? Why are there so many people talking?

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

I think she's a good influence on you. I'd like you to meet brooke. Brooke is 18 now.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

We're done with it.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

And she's. She wants to wed. Brooke does not look eight to lose her virginity.

[Brian Green]

Brooke looks 27.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yes.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

And she doesn't want to have sex for the sake of it. Now, her friend Donnie will be out in just a minute. Brooke, why has your friend been pressuring you to have sex?

[Darlene]

Basically, Donnie and I have known each other for a very long time. We've known each other since kindergarten, and we've been best friends for a long time. I think she's been pressuring me because we've had a really close relationship and we've done everything to get. And this is the only thing that we cannot talk about. You know, I mean, I ask her questions, and I'm really nosy about it, but we haven't shared it. So I don't really know what she's talking about when she talks about sex. So I think that it's a little bit of wanting me to do something that she's done. And also, I think it might be just a little bit of jealousy. I still have my virginity. I have something special to give to the right guy.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Well, now, if the other girl's 18, then that's. You're in a whole other territory.

[Brian Green]

Yeah.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Talking about 14.

[Brian Green]

All right, 14, 10 guys between 14 and 15. 14 is a whole different animal than 18. And it may sound trite and it's just a number, and I get it, but when you're 18, I still think.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

There'S statutory rape laws.

[Brian Green]

When you're 18?

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

No, below 16, right?

[Brian Green]

Oh, for sure. Well, I think below 18.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Oh, is it below 18?

[Brian Green]

I don't know, because I've never had sex with anyone under the age of 18 as an adult. But you know what I'm saying. Brooke.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

What box bothers you most? About what? Donnie.

[Brian Green]

If I was single today. If I was single today, I think my cutoff line would be 30. I think that would be the cutoff line today.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

It does.

[Darlene]

What bothers me most? Well, basically, it's just that it's my personal feeling that I would like to keep my virginity. I want to wait until I meet the right guy. I'm not going to. I mean, it's not necessarily that I want to wait till marriage. It's just that I want to wait till I meet the right guy and then give him what I have to offer. But she just pressures me. And sometimes when a good friend wants you to do something, you kind of take it into consideration.

[Sally Jesse Raphael (Host)]

Oh, a lot. Yes. Oh, it's a lot. Teenage pressure is very strong. Brooke, while you were on vacation with Donna, you said she told a whole crowd of people that you were a virgin. Did that embarrass you?

[Darlene]

Yeah, it embarrassed.

[Brian Green]

Who's talking about this? I didn't grow up around these kind of people. I don't know. We weren't talking about this in large crowd, crowds like, it just. She's a virgin. She's a virgin.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

When they. She say when they were in Vegas.

[Brian Green]

When they were on the beach or something like that, meanwhile, the other one's stripping. This one's 13, and grandma's not home and. Wow, it's wild out there. You got to be careful. Yeah. Blood's being spewed everywhere. It's a. It's a. Here's the point. The world. The world is full of people. And most of them are not well. And a lot of them showed up on Sally, Jesse Raphael on this one episode. What a wild, wild episode. I could. I mean, I watched some of it, so I already knew, but it is really fucking wild. This. This particular episode. But this got me going on a whole, like, daytime talk show back in the 80s and 90s. Oh, it's so much fun. We'll have to. Maybe we'll make it a regular segment, I think. So yank an old daytime talk show and throw it out there.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Yeah, that was some good stuff.

[Brian Green]

Oh, it's really good. All right. Well, here's my bottom line on this. You'll know when you're ready. How's that?

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And, you know, talk with your parents.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

Don't be pressured.

[Brian Green]

Don't be pressured. Talk with your parents. And if you choose to wait till marriage or when you're an adult or forever or whatever, that's your choice. The great news is it's your willy hoo hoo or ping pang. You get to do whatever you want with them or you, you should get to do whatever you want with it. So don't let anybody else tell you what to do. Who cares, you know, if you're a virgin, you're a virgin.

[Kristen Joy Hoadley]

But if you're 13, really think about it.

[Brian Green]

If you're under the age of 15 years old, 15 and under, give it some thoughts. It can change your life. Like my dad said, you're. If you're 16 and above, you're in the go zone. But just also, yeah, think about it. You need to protect yourself. But that's a good rule of thumb. Till the time you die, you need to protect yourself. Take it from someone who knows. Children will change your life. And I can't imagine that changing like that. When I was 16 years old, I would have been royally screwed. Royally screwed. But then I know young mothers who did just fine. Now they're living their life. Teen moms. Yeah, that's right. Some of my best friends. They're fine. Everything turned out great for them. Well, they get paid a lot of money to do team up anyway, you know, whatever. All right, a couple things. Go watch the Nacho Redondo episode or listen to it, it's Tuesday's episode. And tell us what you think by dialing in 212-4333, TCB. Follow us at the commercial break TCB podcast on Tik Tok. Also, if you want to check out my new podcast after the break, now available, just search on any of the podcast podcasts, players that you're listening to and tcb podcast.com. you can still get your free sticker by hitting the contact us button. Give us your physical address and we'll send you one. Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for today?

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I think so.

[Brian Green]

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