Transcript

A (0:00)

Hi, Adam here. If you liked the commune, there's a new eight part series Eugene and I have been making for staff over the past year, which you might be interested in. It's called Quarantine Nation and, well, rather than giving anything away, we're just going to drop the first couple of episodes into this feed and see if you like it. So, without further ado, here's episode one of Quarantine Nation, made with the support of Nzonair.

B (0:30)

If someone was ever making the movie of the pandemic, this might be one of those opening scenes.

A (0:36)

On a Grey Wednesday in November 2019, a small crowd gathered in a park in Wellington in Aotearoa, New Zealand. It was a low key event, but the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, was there and some of her cabinets. Also present an esteemed historian, civil servants, including a senior official called Ashley Bloomfield, some iwi representatives, some local MPs, plus some epidemiologists, people who are expert in diseases and how they spread. One of them was this guy.

B (1:12)

So you've got enough there, have you?

C (1:14)

Yeah.

B (1:14)

Ok, that's good.

A (1:15)

That's Michael Baker and. And this was before he became famous enough in New Zealand to be thanked by strangers in the street and also to receive death threats. Anyway, the gathering at Pukeahu War Memorial in Wellington was to unveil a plaque marking the centennial of New Zealand's experience of the devastating 1918 influenza pandemic.

B (1:39)

And we'd been advocating for having a proper influenza memorial. This virus swept through the country in six to eight weeks and it killed almost 1% of people.

A (1:49)

It's estimated 9,000 New Zealanders died in the outbreak, a quarter of them mori. But plans for the centennial memorial got delayed and the unveiling finally happened on November 6, 2019. The memorial read in part, e korera warato e warewaretia te reo mori for they will never be forgotten. The Prime Minister read from an account by someone who was there in 1918.

D (2:20)

Everyone was sick, no one to help. They were dying one after the other.

A (2:25)

The organisers had also pinned up reproductions of antique public health posters with the advice that had guided our great grandparents through one of the most lethal events in New Zealand history.

Summary

Podcast Summary: Introducing: QUARANTINE NATION Ep1

Podcast: The Commune
Host: Stuff Audio (Adam Dudding & Eugene Bingham)
Episode Title: Introducing: QUARANTINE NATION Ep1
Date: March 3, 2026

Episode Overview

The first episode of Quarantine Nation launches a new eight-part documentary series examining New Zealand’s experience with the COVID-19 pandemic. Rather than focusing on a single mystery or event, the series asks the “whydunnit” question: What led to the country's strict response, and how did the pandemic years unfold for New Zealand? Through interviews with key figures—including health officials, scientists, and everyday citizens—the episode traces the narrative from complacency in late 2019 to the national lockdown in March 2020, emphasizing the chaos, tough decisions, turning points, and sheer luck that shaped New Zealand’s pandemic course.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. A Premonition at the Influenza Memorial

Timestamps: 00:30–03:25

The episode opens with a scene at the November 2019 Pukeahu War Memorial plaque unveiling in Wellington, commemorating the 1918 influenza pandemic.
Michael Baker, an epidemiologist, recalls how politicians dismissed the chances of another pandemic:
- Quote:
  “They said, oh, we're not going to get another pandemic like that, are we?” – Michael Baker (02:57)
Unbeknownst to the attendees, the COVID-19 virus was making its first jump to humans in Wuhan, China, at that exact moment.

2. COVID-19’s Global Emergence and New Zealand’s Late Start

Timestamps: 03:32–06:39

By March 2020, New Zealand had only 28 known cases, no deaths, and was one of the last countries to experience the outbreak.
On March 19, 2020, PM Jacinda Ardern announced the closing of the borders—an unprecedented move in New Zealand’s history.
- Quote:
  "From 11:59pm tonight, the Prime Minister shut the gates. We will close our border to any non-residents attempting to travel here." (04:39)
The international context was dire, with case numbers and deaths climbing worldwide, and other countries already locked down.

3. The Early Days of the Pandemic: Uncertainty and Scattered Response

Timestamps: 06:58–11:20

Adam and Eugene recount launching the Coronavirus NZ daily podcast to document the fast-moving, chaotic early response.
The show included both the serious (case counts, official policy) and the lighter pandemic culture (sourdough, Zoom, Netflix, viral songs).
- Notable pandemic musical moment: Jack Buchanan’s COVID-19 song, later theme for the podcast.

4. Pre-Pandemic Innocence: Voices from December 2019

Timestamps: 13:15–16:49

Interviews with various New Zealanders evoke the “last moment of innocence” before COVID’s arrival:
- TV presenter Hilary Barry celebrating her 50th birthday with overseas travel.
- Helen Clark deeply involved in global health initiatives but unaware of what was coming.
- Nurse Jenny McGee managing an ICU team in London; scientist Dame Juliet Gerrard dealing with disasters like the Whakare eruption.
Most describe being “oblivious to what was to come” (16:43).

5. The Virus Rises: First Alerts and Growing Alarm

Timestamps: 16:49–21:10

New Year’s Eve 2019: Microbiologist Gemma Geegan first notices alerts about a mysterious pneumonia in Wuhan.
- Quote:
  “It was just about that time that New South Wales had really bad bushfires and the sky in Dunedin was kind of orange because of the smoke... I was doomscrolling Twitter… it said four cases of an undiagnosed pneumonia at Wuhan Central Hospital.” – Gemma Geegan (16:57)
Juliet Gerrard (Chief Science Advisor) and Helen Clark follow the emerging news with increasing concern.
- Quote:
  “We began to see what was happening in Wuhan.” – Helen Clark (18:58)
By mid-January, international alarm grows as cases and deaths rise and evidence of human-to-human transmission emerges.

6. Science Advisors, Modellers, and the Power Structure

Timestamps: 21:10–24:47

Michael Baker joins the COVID-19 Technical Advisory Group and finds the initial Ministry of Health response “not doing very much… and that I did find quite alarming.” (22:00)
Juliet Gerrard, Sean Hendy, and others start building and interpreting models, advising government on potential scenarios.
Ashley Bloomfield, Director General of Health, holds legal pandemic response powers.

7. Critical Timelines: Delays, Denials, and Luck

Timestamps: 24:47–33:40

WHO finally declares a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) on January 30, 2020—a step most experts consider too late.
Helen Clark:
- Quote:
  “It took a trip to China to remove obstacles to that and that was a week of inaction which the world didn’t need.” (25:48)
New Zealand’s early luck:
- Planned influx of Wuhan students is averted by the timing of the city’s lockdown:
  “If students had arrived and brought the virus, we could have been Italy… dumb luck at the beginning of a pandemic.” – Juliet Gerrard (33:40)

8. Panic Grows: Community Spread and Public Reaction

Timestamps: 34:03–37:58

By early March, community transmission is detected in New Zealand.
Jack Buchanan and friends joke about the virus at gigs, underestimating potential local impact.
Jenny McGee’s desire to return to London to join the battle feels “like a novelty” but also daunting.
Scenes of panicked toilet paper buying in New Zealand, echoing global behaviors.

9. The Shift to “Go Hard and Go Early”

Timestamps: 38:11–44:43

March 11, 2020: WHO declares COVID-19 a pandemic.
Juliet Gerrard and Sean Hendy’s modelling makes clear: “Flattening the curve wasn’t going to work in any modern health system… We needed to do something more drastic.” (43:13)
Michael Baker becomes a “convert to elimination” after observing Wuhan’s success with containment.

10. Government Actions Rapidly Escalate

Timestamps: 46:14–47:52

New committees and crisis groups activated; border closures and public information campaigns roll out.
By mid-March, New Zealand is less than a week away from one of the world’s strictest national lockdowns.
The implications are vast: job losses, social disruption, “survivor guilt,” and a sense that nothing will be the same.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“If someone was ever making the movie of the pandemic, this might be one of those opening scenes.”
– Michael Baker (00:30)
“Back then, things were moving so fast, it often felt impossible to get a sense of the bigger picture.”
– Adam Dudding (11:23)
“By the end of 2019, I had a big focus on the Extractive Industry’s Transparency Initiative.”
– Helen Clark (14:26)
“If students had arrived and brought the virus, we could have been Italy. So it’s dumb luck at the beginning of a pandemic. Who flies where, when? And we had a stroke of early luck, I think.”
– Dame Juliet Gerrard (33:40)
“Flattening the curve wasn’t going to work in any modern health system, because too many people were going to get sick at once and overwhelm the health system.”
– Dame Juliet Gerrard (43:13)
“By March, it's becoming clear we have a window of opportunity to lock down early... you can wait until your health system is overwhelmed and lots of people are very sick and dying... or you can lock down before that happens.”
– Dame Juliet Gerrard (44:43)
“Our own country, like many, was still in a state of denial about the severity of what could happen... That’s the state of denial the world was in. So February was a lost month.”
– Helen Clark (31:53)

Timestamps for Important Segments

00:30: Opening scene at 1918 influenza memorial; foreshadowing.
04:39: NZ border closure announced.
07:12: Episode’s main question: how did complacency turn to panic?
13:15–16:49: Interviews with key New Zealanders, December 2019.
16:57: Gemma Geegan’s first COVID alert memory.
22:00: Michael Baker joins advisory group; initial alarm.
25:48: WHO’s delayed declaration discussed by Helen Clark.
33:40: Juliet Gerrard on early pandemic luck.
37:58: WHO declares COVID-19 a pandemic.
43:13: Juliet Gerrard and Sean Hendy discuss modelling and policy shift.
46:14: Chronology of crisis measures in March 2020.
47:26: End-of-episode teasers for next episode.

Recurring Themes and Tone

Reflective and sometimes rueful: The show is candid about government missteps and lucky escapes.
Conversational and personal: Mixes interviews, diary-style narration, and lightness amid heaviness ("We're baking sourdough... Society's upended...").
Nuanced and analytical: Balances emotional impact (fear, uncertainty, public confusion) with rigorous chronology and scientific explanation.

Takeaway

Quarantine Nation Episode 1 masterfully reconstructs the crucial early months of New Zealand’s COVID-19 experience—how initial complacency and scattered preparation gave way to an extreme, widely praised elimination strategy. The episode blends human stories with political, scientific, and cultural analysis, setting the stage for deeper exploration in subsequent episodes.

For more, and to continue the story, search “Quarantine Nation” in your podcast app or visit www.stuff.co.nz/qn.