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The Credit Edge by Bloomberg Intelligence
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The Credit Edge reviews the top credit news of the week and looks at the week ahead, with in-depth research of the most important corporate sectors, trends and themes. Analysis of specific corporate bonds and credit default swaps is backed by Bloomberg Intelligence's robust data sets and indexes.
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Europe's Largest Asset Manager Warns of AI Debt Deluge Crowding Out
4d ago00:49:35Tap to summarizeFurther acceleration in AI debt issuance has the potential to steer demand away from government bonds, according to Amundi, Europe’s largest asset manager. “At some point it could have a crowding effect, but we are not there yet,” Gregoire Pesques, the firm’s chief investment officer for global fixed income, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Tolu Alamutu in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “It’s a risk that we monitor,” says Pesques, whose company has $2.7 trillion under management. They also discuss value in corporate debt relative to government bonds, how G7 countries are behaving more like emerging markets and Amundi’s concerns about central bank independence. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Real Estate Is Next Bet for Debt Investors Avoiding Private Credit
2w ago00:45:20Tap to summarizePrivate credit disarray spells opportunity for housing giant Pretium, which targets high returns by lending to US homebuilders. “Our private credit looks a little bit different than other private credit in the sense that we are secured, we have real good downside protection,” Jon Pruzan, the company’s co-president, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Erica Adelberg in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “We have a lot of people who want capital and not a lot of people providing capital — that puts us in an opportunity to continue to generate attractive returns,” says Pruzan, who was previously chief financial officer at Morgan Stanley. They also discuss housing fundamentals, opportunity by region, how Pretium achieves midteens returns and political risks going into the November US midterm elections.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Oaktree Says Boring is Beautiful In Dicey Private Credit Market
3w ago00:56:25Tap to summarizePrivate lenders are going back to basics as debt trouble spreads, market participants tell Bloomberg News’ James Crombie in this special episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “Boring is beautiful, boring is better right now,” says Christina Lee, managing director at Oaktree Capital Management. The podcast also explores AI debt risks, software distress, how tight bond spreads can go and the state of US consumers with the following guests: Matt Brill, head of North America investment-grade credit at Invesco; Anish Shah, global head of debt capital markets at Morgan Stanley; Lotfi Karoui, multi-asset credit strategist at Pimco; Jody Lurie, Bloomberg Intelligence senior credit analyst; Na Wei, global head of leveraged finance at Barclays; Sheel Patel, head of Mayer Brown’s private credit practice in New York; Shalini Sriram, Third Point’s head of structured credit; and Scott Goodwin, co-founder of Diameter Capital Partners. Interviews were recorded June 3 at Bloomberg’s Global Credit Forum in New York. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Goldman Sachs Sees ‘Uncomfortable Tension’ in Credit Markets
4w ago00:46:24Tap to summarizeRobust demand from pensions and insurance companies will support corporate debt through macroeconomic headwinds and record supply, according to Goldman Sachs. “Spreads are tight to the prewar levels when the facts on the ground have unquestionably become more challenging,” Amanda Lynam, Goldman’s chief credit strategist, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Robert Schiffman in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “That is this uncomfortable tension that we have in the credit market,” Lynam says. “Sentiment around the yield-based buyer is really in the driver’s seat.” They also discuss the AI funding boom, private-credit risks, CCC underperformance and where to find value in structured products.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Veteran ABS Investor Sees ‘Max Uncertainty With Max Complacency’
May 2800:54:29Tap to summarizeBad software loans will cause credit-market trouble that recalls aspects of the global financial crisis, according to American Century Investments. “We call it max uncertainty with max complacency,” says Paul Norris, referring to tight credit spreads, in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “What’s interesting to me is the subprime crisis was very similar,” Norris, who leads the $330 billion asset manager’s securitized markets team, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Reto Bachmann. They also discuss growing risks to business development companies and collateralized loan obligations, advantages of public over private asset-backed debt and why residential mortgages are a buy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Principal Sees High-Grade Downgrade Risk as Issuance Ramps Up
May 2100:42:40Tap to summarizeBlue-chip companies, including hyperscalers, may be jeopardizing their credit ratings by piling on debt, according to Principal Asset Management. “We have seen some downgrades, and I would expect that that would continue as borrowing ramps up,” Mike Goosay, the $600 billion manager’s global head of fixed income, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Julie Hung on the latest Credit Edge podcast. “I don’t think that’ll have a behavioral effect on the way that investors look at the market, nor does it — to date, anyway — change the borrowing costs of those corporates,” he adds. They also discuss the artificial-intelligence funding frenzy, why junk bonds are attractive despite macroeconomic risks and how global government-bond volatility affects demand for credit.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Private Credit Has a Weak Underwriting Discipline Problem
May 1900:30:01Tap to summarizeLoose underwriting standards are increasingly troubling for private credit market participants, according to Bloomberg Intelligence. “This concern has been growing for a period of time,” David Havens, BI’s senior analyst for private credit, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie in this special episode of the Credit Edge podcast. Weak underwriting discipline was flagged by private debt market participants in a recent global BI survey, rising in prominence compared with a poll conducted in September. In addition, direct lenders face lingering pressure from retail redemptions at business development companies. “Headlines are still going to be negative, focused on that very small portion of the market — it’s becoming slightly infectious and weighing on the wealth side of the business,” says Paul Gulberg, a senior analyst who covers global banks and asset managers. The trio also discuss the drivers of private credit growth, loan valuations, the liquidity premium and fund fees.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →JPMorgan Is Wary of Another Big Leap in AI-Related Spending
May 1400:50:21Tap to summarizeJPMorgan Asset Management sees value in the debt of companies building out AI, but it’s keeping a close eye on how much more they plan to spend next year. “If we’re seeing capex increase at the same rate that we saw 2025 to 2026, I think that’s probably a little bit of a red flag,” Stephanie Doyle, a portfolio manager at the $4.3 trillion firm, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Arnold Kakuda in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “I think the issuance is an opportunity,” said Doyle, who’s part of the money manager’s global fixed income, currency and commodities team. They also discuss the potential for credit spreads to tighten, rising net new bond issuance, the earnings outlook and growing macro risks.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →HarbourVest Expects Private Credit Secondaries Volume to Double
May 700:50:43Tap to summarizeSecondary trading of private credit is on track to more than double last year’s record volume, according to HarbourVest Partners. “Through the first quarter we’re run-rating above $50 billion this year,” Greg Ciesielski, the $150 billion global private markets firm’s head of credit secondaries, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Jean-Yves Coupin in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “It’s certainly a buyer’s market at the moment, which is what you generally see in dislocation,” he adds. They also discuss the impact of private credit stress on pricing, opportunities to buy assets from business development companies and how HarbourVest uses AI for valuation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcribe →Citi Warns of Private Debt Risk as ‘Tourists’ Are Forced to Sell
Apr 3000:49:56Tap to summarizeRookie private lenders that have to sell in a downturn are a potential threat to credit markets, according to Citi. “If the cycle turns and these tourists, rather than working out loans, just start selling them at below the economic value — what happens to the rest of the market?” Mickey Bhatia, the firm’s head of spread products, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Sam Geier in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. “That’s a big worry,” says Bhatia. They also discuss global fund flows, investment in AI infrastructure and expansion of electronic trading to incorporate collateralized loan obligations.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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