My conversation with Richard Hanania, author of The Origins of Woke and contributor on Project 2025 is one of the most important conversations I’ve had on this show.

Important for you and important for his audience too.

If you want to know why I say that, you’ll have to give it a listen because I’m way too smart to lay it out here for you!

You’ll learn from the conversation Hanania’s break with the Trump Cult over the insanity of DOGE and Trump’s tariffs has produced a predictable backlash from MAGA.

There is only one rule of MAGA Fight Club and its never, ever insult the boss or admit he’s wrong.

Last week Hanania put up a really compelling article on his own Substack you can find right here titled: What I Got Wrong About Trump.

Again as a political behaviorist, let me reiterate that two things are particularly hard psychologically for anyone to do (and most can’t do at all) and those two things are:

* admitting you got something wrong

* Breaking with your own “tribe” to do so.

Show Richard Hanania some grace folks, and give his mea culpa a read:

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