A (2:48)

I can't give away my secrets or my immortality, you know? Oops. I've said too much. No.

B (2:55)

All right, everyone, we're signing off for the day. Thanks for joining us.

A (3:00)

No, I do sleep. I do carve out some time for myself. It's not much, but I do. And you're gonna be taking the reins on October 22 and October 29. Because I'll be doing some travel days.

B (3:09)

That's right. Flying behind the wheel solo. Ever. Mata woot woot.

A (3:15)

So I don't know how I do it either. It's. It's probably not healthy, but. But I'm. I'm working on it. And I do my best to take care of. Of myself. And I've got a great support system. I've got you and I've got the wonderful listeners. I've got my family. So everything's going to be okay. We've got each other. Later in the show, Adam Klassfeld and I are going to discuss the latest in the Kilmara Brago case. And we'll discuss that blistering ruling I. I Talked about from 85 year old Reagan appointee Judge Young, who is out of fucks cannot wait out owt yesterday's news bell bottoms he's out of to give. Also, I just wanted to kind of bring up something fun that kind of happened right around the time we were recording yesterday. Carrie Lake got taken to the woodshed too. Let's listen to what the judge had to say to her.

C (4:03)

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

A (4:28)

Okay, that wasn't the judge, but that is your 80s 90s reference for today. Or maybe it was the early 2000s.

B (4:35)

I feel like it was totally appropriate.

A (4:36)

It's all just mushing together the decades for me at this point. But yeah, in light of what happened with Carrie Lake, U.S. district Judge Royce Lambert found himself in a scenario similar to that of judges who oversaw Lake's dubious election related lawsuits as a candidate. And he had to take her to task. The Reagan appointees ruling blocked the firings at Voice of America for now and described Lake's actions as potential contempt of court. He even said, the only reason I'm not finding you in contempt, Carrie Lake, is because no one asked me to. So he says. The court must offer an observation on the concerning disrespect the defendants have shown toward the court's orders since the entry of the preliminary injunction. It is the court's view that the defendant's disregard for its earlier orders to produce information would more than support a trial on civil contempt. The defendant's obfuscation of this court's request for information regarding whether the reduction in force plans comported with the preliminary injunction have has wasted precious judicial time and resources and readily support contempt proceedings. That said, the plaintiffs have not requested such proceedings, and the court declines to pursue contempt sua sponte, meaning like by ourselves. However, its deference to the plaintiffs with respect to further proceedings should not be mistaken for leniency toward the defendant's erstwhile conduct. That is a judge's way of saying, you know what they said in the clip that I just played to you? That's exactly it. So that. And listen for Adam Klasveld later on the show. We'll get to Young's ruling, which is honestly, of all the rulings I've read since I've been covering the court, this is by far, far and away, head and shoulders, the most excoriating of any of them. Love it. Yeah. All right, we have a ton to get to today, so let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. First up, from the Wall Street Journal of all publications, President Trump hailed the use of military force to police American cities, telling generals and admirals during a Tuesday address that it was important to quell the enemy from within. Now, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, they're very unsafe places. We're going to straighten them out one by one. That's what Trump told hundreds of senior US Military officers packed into a hall at Marine Corps Base in Quantico, Virginia. Quotes is going to be a major part of some of the people in this room. That's a war, too. It's a war from within. That's what Trump said. Now, Trump's speech, which lasted well over an hour, followed an address by Kegseth, who last week summoned generals and admirals from around the world to go to this meeting. Much of Hegseth's talk centered on his longstanding contention that US Military standards were relaxed during previous administrations in which diversity and inclusion were part of the Defense Department's personnel policies. Quote, when it comes to any job that requires physical power to perform in combat, those physical standards must be high and gender neutral. And if that means no women qualify for some combat jobs, so be it. That's what he said. Trump praised Hegseth's talk and doubled down on the role that he sees from the National Guard and active duty military in stopping what the president described as disorder at home, preventing illegal immigration and targeting suspected drug smugglers in Latin America. Quote, I told Pete we should use some of these dangerous cities as training grounds for our military. National Guard, but military because we're going into Chicago very soon. Training grounds, Dana. Mm. Now, Trump also underscored his policy of conducting airstrikes against suspected drug traffickers. Those strikes have been carried out against boats at sea, and Trump has previously suggested they might be conducted against targets on land as well. The military is now the knife's edge in combating this sinister enemy. We have to put the traffickers and cartels on notice. Hegseth on Sunday ordered 200 National Guard troops to be sent to Portland, Oregon under federal authority to fight what the White House has described as rampant lawlessness in the Democratic led city. The deployment is, quote, to protect federal property where protests are, quote, occurring or likely to occur. So likely to occur. That kind of takes away their. You remember the emergency that you were talking about yesterday? Yep. This is an emergency because stuff might happen. And by the way, you can't issue an emergency restraining order because there's not an emergency.

B (8:57)

Yeah. Whoopsie.

A (8:59)

Oregon's Governor Tina Kotak has charged that the deployment of the National Guard is unnecessary and it's an abuse of power. And it is. And the state is suing to try to block it. There's going to be a hearing Friday on that.

B (9:10)

Fantastic. And yes, in a related story, this one's from Politico. Mayors from the Portland metro area, they sharply criticized Trump's threat to deploy National Guard troops to the city as unnecessary act of aggression that could endanger residents of the region. And that's exactly what it is. Portland Mayor Keith Wilson now this time appearing on a news conference Monday with mayors of cities nearby, echoed Oregon Governor Tina Kotech's declaration that the state's largest city does not need assistance from the National Guard, despite Trump's claim that the city has been ravaged and local immigration facilities are under siege. No, what they're doing is they're violating, I think their contracts is what they're doing. And I quote, this type of help that's being offered isn't being asked for. That's Wilson. It's not necessary. The number of troops that we want or need is zero. Very clear 17 mayors from around the state formed a coalition committing to coordinate efforts to protect civil rights and public safety should the National Guard be deployed. In a joint statement, the mayors denounced using the military to support immigration enforcement. They said enforcement of civil immigration laws by militarized forces has no legitimate role in our community, no support from local elected leaders, and little public support. This is what the letter from all of these mayors said. Trump's depiction of Portland, by the way, rooted in longstanding fixation with the city, dating back to the city's volatile protests following the killing by police of George Floyd in 2020. It didn't align with the reality. This is what several mayors are saying because Trump was showed bullshit videos from Stephen Miller, by the way. And this is a quote, we stand here today to tell the president he's listening to the wrong people. This is from Mayor Lacey Beatty of Beaverton, Oregon. She said the president cannot watch footage from over a half a decade ago and believe this is the Portland that we're standing in today. And that's what Stephen Miller did. A Justice Department attorney argued Monday that Oregon's urgency to block the Guard deployment was largely manufactured. No, and he said what's happening here is very limited in nature, said the attorney, Christopher Edelman, who noted that the 200 troops amounted to just 3% of the state's total Guard contingent. They didn't ask for any. They asked for zero.

A (11:26)

Not an emergency, but definitely an emergency. It's Schrodinger's emergency. I get it. All right, next up from the Times, the Trump administration is deporting a plane load of about 100 Iranians back to Iran from the United States after a deal between the two governments. That's according to two senior Iranian officials involved in the negotiations and a U.S. official with knowledge of the plans. Iranian officials said the plane, a US Chartered flight, took off from Louisiana on Monday night and was scheduled to arrive in Iran by way of Qatar on Tuesday at the earliest. The US Official confirmed that plans for the flight were in the final stages, and all of the officials spoke to the New York Times on the condition of anonymity. The identities of the Iranians on the plane and their reasons for trying to immigrate to the United States were not immediately clear. The deportation is one of the starkest efforts yet by the Trump administration to deport migrants, no matter the human rights conditions in the country. Countries on the receiving end the expanding deportation campaign has sparked lawsuits by immigrant advocates who have criticized the flights now for decades. Dana the United States has given shelter to Iranians fleeing their homeland, which has one of the harshest human rights records in the world. Iran persecutes women's rights activists, political dissidents, journalists, lawyers, religious minorities, and members of the LGBTQ community, among others. I think we're well on our way. In the past several years, there's been an increase in Iranian migrants arriving at the southern US Border and crossing illegally, including many who have claimed fear of persecution back at home for their political and religious beliefs. In addition to inflicting political oppression, Iran is in the throes of an economic and energy crisis with a plunging currency, sky high inflation, unemployment and water and power cuts. The economic situation is bound to get even worse with the return of the UN Security Council sanctions, which went into effect on Saturday. So that's just pure punishment. Just pure punishment.

B (13:20)

Yep, cruelty's the point. Do have some better news from Politico, everyone. The federal judge blocked the Trump administration on Tuesday from permanently steering 233 million in FEMA disaster relief funds away from 12 blue states, issuing a restraining order just hours before a deadline that would have seen the funds lost forever. U.S. district Judge Mary McElroy, a Trump appointee, by the way, to a Rhode island based court, said the administration's abrupt decision to repurpose the funds from those states just days before the September 30 end of the current fiscal year, it seemed to be plainly illegal. Her ruling ensures that the funds remain available while the states continue to litigate to reclaim them. It's, and I quote, yet another case where the administration is saying I'm going to do what I want to do and not what the law says and and make the court make me. That's what McElroy said in a hastily convened court hearing Tuesday. Well, earlier this month, the same judge similarly barred the Trump administration from attempting to coerce homelessness organizations to adopt gender related policies. Her new decision ensures that when the fiscal year ends at midnight Tuesday, the funds will still be available in case the states win their legal battle. The states say the Trump administration's last second decision to pull the funding it seemed intended to punish states that the Trump administration is deemed to be uncooperative, cooperative with its immigration enforcement priorities. That's notable, they say, because other federal judge another one in Rhode Island, George W. Bush appointee William Smith, ruled last week that the administration's bid to go states to comply with its immigration enforcement priorities was illegal. Another one that's a Republican appointee now, McElroy said the administration's decision to pull the fund so quickly after Smith's decision was. Was of great concern. McElroy said this sort of last minute changing of the way the funding happens, and especially when it happens right in the wake of Judge Smith's decision, is concerning. A Justice Department lawyer had urged McElroy to reject the state's emergency effort to preserve the funding, saying it would deprive other states where the Department of Homeland Security had intended to reallocate the funds. But what I know. McElroy said she wanted to preserve the status quo and ensure that the funds would still be there if the states prevail in their laws. Lawsuit.

A (15:41)

What? So he just wanted to gobble up all that 233 million in FEMA to blue states and send it to red states?

B (15:48)

Yep, that's exactly it. What a bunch of dicks they really are. I mean, come on.

A (15:55)

I can't. And this military that Hegseth wants to build a bunch of. He wants to build the like the date rape brigade, you know.

B (16:02)

Yeah.

A (16:03)

Just a bunch of dickheads practicing war fighting on US citizens in blue cities.

B (16:11)

Exactly it.

A (16:12)

To prepare them for fighting our foreign foes. He even pulled out the old 1984 thing that peace can only be achieved through violence.

B (16:23)

Yeah.

A (16:24)

It's just. It's just awful.

B (16:26)

It's just crazy. And this been reversed and this son of a. Tried to do this with red states. And I'm telling you right now with all these.

A (16:32)

Oh, the fear and stuff.

B (16:34)

No, I'm just talking about this military stuff like going in there. If this happened to be a Democratic president, this would never happen. But let's say Trump was a Democrat and he was like, well, he was a long time ago, but let's say he still was. And he was going to do this with the red states. He would never do it because of Obukhari, those people. You want to see him defend the second Amendment. I think what he's really. He's really trying to instigate a fight with peaceful cities.

A (17:00)

Yeah.

B (17:00)

But not everyone in that city is gonna let them just roll over. And that's one of the things I worry about. Portland. So Portland, if the military goes in there, I just be pleased, be smart, be safe, but be chill. And they want you to escalate this. They're trying to get you to escalate this.

A (17:16)

Yeah. So that they can say, look at the Democrats. Terrorists in the anarchic jurisdictions. We need the Insurrection Act. We need to secure the polling places and all antifa. And they. Everybody wants the transgender. Whatever that means.

B (17:30)

Oh my God. One of the podcasts of the two women, the Kinkles, she calls them. Kink.

A (17:35)

Oh, the I've had it podcast.

B (17:37)

Oh, my God. It was. No, it was on the CNN have I Got news for you? And it was like, Joy Reid was on there, and they were talking about everyone gets a transgender. And I. I'm saying the word like that because that's what Trump said. And Joy Reid was like, wait, wait, wait. Like, we get. Do we get to pick the transgender? Like, we all get a transgender. Like, to hang out with. Like to bro out with. Like, I'm in. I'm in. I mean, it was ridiculous.

A (18:00)

Yeah. Anyway, by the time you're listening to this show, the government will probably be shut down because Mike Johnson took. Everybody went home. He wants it shut down. Trump wants it shut down. Trump said it today. He said today shutdowns are great because I can get rid of Democrat stuff. And he said he wants to fire Democrats. It's just.

B (18:22)

I know, everybody, thank God all the Democrats have been documenting them being in the chamber ready to vote and documenting the doors being locked. Documenting them, not calling on them for role, documenting them, just adjourning and sending everybody home without calling for any floor votes. Like, Democrats are at least documenting this. I'm not saying the Republicans are going to see it because it might just be in our algorithm, but at least they're documenting on video and posting it on social media.

A (18:47)

Yeah, agreed. All right, everybody, after this break, well, we're going to have some good trouble. It's going to be first up in the good news. And then after this break, we're going to talk to Adam Klassfeld for a bit. We're going to talk about the latest filing in the Kilmar Abrego case and that there's a hearing coming up on Monday. And then we're also going to talk about this amazing ruling from Judge Young. So stick around. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the breakdown, and welcome to All Rise News. Thank you so much for joining us. I woke up today to my phone blowing up. There were, like, 26 things going. I'm on the west coast, so I tend to get things pretty early in the morning. The first thing everybody wanted to alert me to was what was going on with Pete Hegseth and his Macho man rally at. At Quantico and in Quantico, Virginia. And then the HUD website has a big red alert on it saying the Democrats are going to shut down the government, which is an absolute lie. The Republicans don't need a single Democratic vote to, to fund their own, whatever they want to do for the next two, two and a half months. And I can talk about that separately. I know some people think that 60 votes are required, but that is not the case. In fact, 11 days ago, the Republicans used their simple majority to change a rule to get 48 Trump nominees appointed all at once. They know exactly how to poke a hole in the filibuster. They can do it here if they want, if they really cared about keeping the government open, but they don't. They want to shut it down and they want to shoulder it on Democrats so that every single crappy thing they do in the next couple of months, they can try to blame on Democrats. But we're not that stupid. Anyway, I digress. But then I started getting texts and emails about not just an Abrego motion that was filed as a reply in the habeas case in Judge Sinis courtroom for Mr. Abrego, not just from the lawyers, but from Adam. You sent me a message on that, too. And we'll get to that in a minute. But then Judge Young's ruling came out a scathing, one of the most, I mean, I've used scathing so many times when I talk about court rulings or things that are going on from the bench when it comes to this Department of Justice and the Trump administration, Kristi Noem, you know, whoever's being sued de jure. And I'm out of adjectives to describe what Judge Young put out today, who's a Reagan appointee. And I wanted to bring Adam Klassfeld. I wanted to jump onto a live conversation with you because you read through this Young ruling. And let's, let's start there, because I can tell you that even though I'm out of adjectives, this is the most scathing ruling that I've ever seen against the Trump administration since I've been covering the Trump administration. And it's not even close. So talk about this case and we can dive into what the ruling says, right?

C (21:52)

Well, this is a ruling in the case of the advocacy groups for academic institutions who are challenging Trump's policy of targeting pro Palestinian students for deportation. But it goes so far beyond that in this ruling. As a matter of fact, one of the things that made this ruling so extraordinary, Alison, is how it began. I mean, you see just right above the caption is Judge Young has a. He includes a note that was sent to his chambers in this scrawled text on a postcard says, trump has pardons and tanks. What do you have he replies to that heckler, dear Mr. Or Mrs. Anonymous, alone I have nothing but my sense of duty. Together we, the people of the United States, you and me, have our magnificent Constitution. Here's how that works out in this particular case. And that just sets the tone because he gets to the heart of it. It's about bullying, a word that he uses explicitly. It's about the First Amendment. It's about a tax on the First Amendment. It has the right to speak in this country after he issues this ruling. And it's more than 160 page ruling. Right after the conclusion, there are more than a dozen pages called under the heading justice in the Trump Era. And a kind of fearful meditation on his part that says Trump seems to be winning and that there aren't, that the constraints aren't working. He talks about how federal courts have been moving slowly. And in moving slowly, in a footnote, he writes us that it keeps people from actually using the court because that is too expensive for most litigants. This ruling finds the Trump administration in violation of the First Amendment, says that Marco Rubio and Kristi Noem together and through officials in the Department of State and the Department of Homeland Security work together to violate the First Amendment rights of protesters. This isn't only the case of Mahmoud Khalil, Ramesa Ozturk, Mohsen Madawi, all the names that you have heard. This is the case that's taking on that policy writ large. And it's the first part of the ruling. There is going to be a separate stage of the proceedings to determine remedy. But I will, I want folks to read this ruling because as you said, Alison, I haven't seen anything like this. I haven't seen a judge start an opinion with a frankly threatening letter that he received on a postcard scrawled by the supporters of a president who's a litigant in that case. And answering that person's supporters with a real palpable sense of fear for the Constitution and the constitutional order. There are, as I said, more than a dozen pages about justice in the Trump era. And it ends on this note of questioning. Is he correct? Now, I should say, who is this fire breathing judge that we've been talking about, a Reagan appointee, William Young, appointed more than 40 years ago to the federal bench. He quotes the man who appointed him to the bench, Ronald Reagan, talking about how freedom is a fragile thing. And he quotes that inaugural event address, not as president, but as a governor of California. And he ends with a meditation about the, the free, about Freedom being a fragile thing. And that he fears that Trump took out a cynical message that yes, it is fragile, a darker, more cynical message. He describes it, that it, yes, it, it is fragile. And maybe, you know, he doesn't say this outright that he can break it. I'm going to read directly from the ruling and how it ends. I fear President Trump believes the American people are so divided today that they will not stand up, fight for and defend our most precious constitutional values so long as they are lulled into thinking their own personal interests are not affected. Is he correct? And that's a tone that ends the ruling. It gets more scathing throughout. We'll have a lot to talk about. He, in talking about Ramesa Ozturk and the fact that she was arrested by masked ICE agents, he goes through a blistering aside where he compares the mask wearing by ICE agents to, quote, cowardly desperados and the despised Ku Klux Klan. That, that's the association that comes into his mind when you think about masks. And in our, all our history, we have never tolerated an armed, masked secret police. This is a federal judge appointed by a conservative president sounding the alarm in the, in the most, in the highest pitch warning you can imagine. I mean, steadily, you know, I shouldn't say, you know, he, he, he, this is a steady ruling, this is a strong ruling, this is a blistering ruling. But there is no doubt, anyone reading this ruling that he is sounding an alarm, hoping that people will listen to it.

A (27:27)

Yeah, and it's quite something to hear a Reagan appointed federal judge that's been on the bench for 40 years echo what we were saying last year after we had read Project 2025 and then we're told that we were overreacting and being crazy and that just egg prices were going to go down. So you said there's no remit, the remedy is going to follow on to this. So because people are asking is this a good ruling, bad ruling? We don't quite know the full ruling yet. This is just kind of the opinion and the remedy comes shortly. Is that correct? So we what, what the, what the ruling ruling is yet?

C (28:08)

What the ruling is is that they violated the First Amendment. So it's a findings of fact, it's a now a finding of fact that Christine Marco Rubio and the Trump administration violated the First Amendment. What that means for these academic freedom group, what that means for academic freedom in the United States is to be determined. This is just, he held a nine day trial on this. He heard the testimony and, and he Came out with this sense of alarm and laying it all out there saying, yes, they were retaliated against for their political associations because of their speech. That he shows the kind of antagonism toward the First Amendment that this case has engendered and that this is a trying to chill again. There's just so much to read from. From the ruling that I really want to that the effect of this targeted deportation proceedings continues unconstitutionally to chill freedom of speech to this day. He says of the mask wearing that ice goes masked for a single reason to terrorize Americans into quiescence. Another thing about Judge Young, I mentioned that you number of times now he's a Reagan appointee. On top of that, he is the judge who presided over RFK Jr's funding cuts to NIH grants on the supposed DEI crackdown. He's a judge who said that it is the worst case of government racial discrimination that he has experienced in four decades. I see people saying, asking rightly what can be done. I think that there's that.

A (30:09)

I think Judge Young is asking the same question, which is why he is waiting to put out his remedy. Right. The remedy is what can be done and we don't have that yet.

C (30:18)

Right. And I think it's also he is using this language that to jolt us out of complacency. That this is not a ruling.

B (30:31)

That folks.

C (30:33)

It's a sounding of the alarm for folks to wake up and to act and to protect their freedoms. I think this is that a passage like that would generate a discussion on why do we collectively tolerate the masking of. Of government agents in the streets. That in our all of our history, he says, we have never tolerated an armed masked secret police. I don't think we in that sentence refers to federal judges like me. Judge Young. I think he is saying us collectively, what do we tolerate? What do we as Americans speak out against? So this is. It's an extraordinary ruling. I have it up in full on the website All Rise News. You can see top left of your screen now if you're watching, you can access the full ruling and some highlights of this. But it's an extraordinary, extraordinary decision.

A (31:41)

It is. And somebody asked, are we going to hope that the military generals save us? I just want to address that. No military generals. First of all, people, I see a lot on social media, people are under the impression that military generals can arrest the president. They cannot. The president is not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. As a civilian, I know he's the commander in chief, but he's the civilian Commander in chief. That's by design. It would need to be the Attorney general or a state attorney general or district attorney to apply the law and, and go forward from there. And we know this attorney general isn't going to do anything. But some of the things in this ruling, very important part, he says. Judge Young says this case perhaps the most important ever to fall within the jurisdiction of this district court. And we could look back and see what important cases have fallen on the jurisdiction of this court, and there have been many. He sees this as the most important. It squarely presents the issue whether non citizens lawfully present here in the United States have the same free speech rights as the rest of us. The court answers this constitutional question unequivocally. Yes, they do. No law means no law. The First Amendment does not draw President Trump's invidious distinction, and it's not to be found in our history or our jurisprudence. No one's freedom of speech is unlimited, of course, but these limits are the same for both citizens and non citizens. So this was that whole Christy Noem in front of the Congress testifying that habeas corpus is actually a right of the President and not a right of the people. Another quote, and I think you brought this one up. This court finds by clear and convincing evidence that Noem and Rubio deliberately and with purposeful aforethought, took actions to intentionally chill the rights to freedom of speech and peacefully to assemble of these noncitizen plaintiffs. They have. It's so important, and he drives this point home, that noncitizens are protected by the Congress, Constitution and responsible to it as well. If you break a law and you're a non citizen, you will go through due process here in the United States and you are protected by the Constitution. Whether you're a visitor, a non citizen, a citizen, it doesn't matter. If you're here, you are protected and under the authority of the Constitution of the United States. As a footnote, you talked about the masks, and he says it appears to be a byproduct of using special agents who worked, whose previous work was focused on criminals. And that's interesting, too, because we have a massive diversion of resources in this country in federal law enforcement, where we've got folks on the Joint Terrorism Task Force at the FBI, we've got folks at hsi, we've got folks at the dea, we've got all sorts of agencies that have been pulling agents to work in ICE and this mass deportation effort. And it appears, according to the judge, that the reason they're wearing masks is because they used to, you know, be law enforcement for the FBI, for example. And so they used to do jobs that focused on criminal law and now they're doing jobs focused on civil law because immigration is not a crime, it is a civil issue, it's not a criminal issue. And so former criminal law enforcement people now working in the civil space are wearing masks. And that's a resource problem. He also talks about true patriots who in order to do their duty, have been weaponized by their highest superiors to reach foregone conclusions for most ignoble ends. He's talking about the ICE agents or the federal agents that testified in his nine day trial about what they've been asked to do and what they've seen. And he wanted to reach a hand out to them and said, thank you for your bravery and standing up and telling the truth about what happened here. Because they're being asked to do these, what is it, ignoble, ignoble ends things for ignoble ends. So there's just tons in here. And like you said, you've written this up, pointed out some of the just incredible highlights at All Rise News. So everybody make sure you subscribe to All Rise News and if you can, if you can become a paid subscriber to help out Adam, that would be wonderful because he's going to be doing some traveling pretty soon. And so I think unless you have any final thoughts on this young ruling, which is gonna, I have a feeling, is gonna be all over the news for quite a while with these quotes, people are gonna be digging quotes out of this 160 page ruling for a while.

C (36:29)

Oh yeah.

A (36:30)

Unless you have any final thoughts on that, I'd like to ask you about the update in the Abrego case because we got a little bit of information about new conversations surrounding his. Everybody remembers that he was offered Costa Rica if he pled guilty to both counts of human smuggling. And if not, he's going to go to Uganda or somewhere else in Africa and as you know, punishment for exercising his rights to oppose what is happening. And so this was filed, this reply was filed. It's a reply to the response, the government's response to his original habeas petition to Judge Sinis. And so this reply is addressing the government's arguments that they made against his original habeas petition, which you have covered. And I think we talked about when that petition was filed. So talk a little bit about what's come up new because when the government files their response and they make arguments against the initial habeas petition. Abrego's attorneys have the right to address those arguments, even if they weren't in the original brief. So talk about what's new in this reply in the habeas case in front of Judge Sinis.

C (37:58)

Absolutely. And I'll do this a little bit obliquely in a way that gives Judge Young a transition to Kilmar Abrego Garcia. There's a quote that he says, we are not and must not become a nation that imprisons and deports people because we are afraid of what they have to tell us. Now Abrego has filed a vindictive prosecution motion because he says he is being punished for fighting back, for asserting his rights, for vindicating his rights. And what happened in this new motion, Alison, is that there is a the Abrego's attorneys pointed out that while the government is trying to deport him, they could have done so, and this is a direct quote, immediately had they sent him to Costa Rica, which is the place that he designated as a place, it was a country where he that provided written guarantees that they wouldn't send him back to El Salvador where he is facing danger, that they could have tried to just deport him immediately, effectively sabotaging the right to a truck trial, that the trial wouldn't have existed if they sent him out of the country. But now they're trying to send him to Uganda and Eswatini, Eswatini being the only the the last country, last remaining absolute monarchy in the African continent. So why are they trying to send him to Eswatini or Uganda? That the argument from Abrego's attorneys is they want to make an example for him of him because he fought back after being expelled from the United States to a terrorism prison in El Salvador where he was tortured. So that in order to prevent him from asserting those rights, they give him this ultimatum. If you plead guilty to these charges that justify retroactively or you're being expelled from the country, we'll send you to Costa Rica. If you assert your right to pretrial release that two federal judges found you were entitled to, we will send you to one of these two human rights abusing nations. And they're saying that this gamesmanship has made it so that the federal government shouldn't is now unauthorized to hold him. They are not going to be able to send him, Abrego's attorneys argue, to Eswatini quickly because the Eswatini government has publicly declared they will send him right back to El Salvador. They said that In a social media post on Twitter, you had the Eswatini government telling Reuters that they were not even notified that by the U.S. government that they would try to send Abrego there. And so they're saying if there is no immediate plan to send Kilmar Abrego Garcia to, to Eswatini, then the government cannot justify holding him for an indeterminate period of time. Therefore, he must be released.

A (41:24)

That indeterminate period of time is the punishment. Right. Like it's designed here. I think I read when I skimmed the reply here from Sean Hecker, who's a great lawyer for Mr. Abrego, you know, that was kind of his assertion or definitely his assertion. He's like, this indefinite detention is a punishment for Mr. Abrego exercising his rights. Things that were granted by judges, by the way, and that would otherwise not be available. So I'm sorry to interrupt you. I just wanted to throw that in there, but please continue.

C (42:04)

Yeah. Well, this comes on the heels of a status conference on Monday in Judge Zinisi's courtroom in Maryland. There will eventually be an evidentiary hearing. The evidentiary hearing hearing was postponed, but Judge Zinis has the habeas case in front of her. She can decide to release him if she agrees that his ongoing detention is unauthorized under Supreme Court precedent. Because there is no real plan to send him out of the country. Because they are trying to set him into a place where they have no. They cannot guarantee a legally a deportation that passes legal muster.

A (42:49)

Remember, the deportation to Eswatini or Uganda as opposed to Costa Rica is evidence that they are punishing him as well as the indetermined detention. Indeterminate attention. Is that the idea?

C (43:06)

That's absolutely one of the arguments. Another is that, but remember, there's a binding court order that, that prohibits his detention to El Salvador. If they send him to Eswatini and Eswatini goes to Twitter and says everyone the United States sends us, we are going to send to their. Repatriate them to their respective countries. Well, that's just a way of doing the thing that a court order has prevented you from doing. So I think that is the argument. They're saying that, look, you had a chance to send Kilmar Abrego Garcia to a country that he designated as something that would be acceptable to him, that you offer you the government put on the table originally with written assurances from the Costa Rica government that they would protect his rights, that they're a human rights respecting country and have committed not to refoul him. Right back to El Salvador that this was an option that you, the government had. But because you want to punish him, you have determined to send him a place to a place where you do not have the ability because of a binding court order to do so. And so I think that's the argument. It's a little bit of a bank shot. It's about, I think, what has been described as chain deportation. That you're sending him free Foulmet. Yeah. And that if you have, you know, you're sending him to this absolute monarchy in Africa that has publicly declared, we'll just send him back to the place that the US Government was not allowed to send him to.

A (44:56)

So the prayer for relief here, what is Shawn Hecker asking for on behalf of his client? Is he asking that Mr. Abrego be released pending his criminal trial and his immigration proceeding?

C (45:10)

Well, so this one, this wasn't filed by Sean Hecker. This was filed by his habeas corpus team. So this is a Maryland case. Oh my God. That's okay. So. But they are arguing that they don't have the right to hold him anymore, that it's unauthorized. So that would mean his release pending trial. He was originally, after being released from pre trial detention criminal custody, he was allowed briefly to reunite with his family back in Maryland before at the end of that one weekend, had to turn himself into surrender at an AT ISIS facility in Baltimore. And then when taken into ICE custody at the ICE office in Baltimore, they sent him to Virginia. He is now currently in Pennsylvania. This is all playing out in multiple courts now. We're going to have the status conference in the habeas case on Monday. Meanwhile, the case, the criminal case in Tennessee where Shawn Hecker is.

B (46:20)

Yeah, that's the one.

A (46:21)

I'm like, I get that confused. Sean Hecker is the criminal case in Tennessee. His ABS attorneys are the. This filing. And I think I got confused because Sean Hecker sent me the habeas filing. I was like, wait, what are you doing on the. Totally understand.

C (46:40)

Yeah, well, you know, the, the issues, it's very easy thing to mix up because the issues are relevant to both cases. You know, it's at the core of both the civil case and right now, the vindictive prosecution motion. In the criminal cases, the government, it's the coercion, it's the saying, okay, well if you plead guilty before you're released. And that embarrasses us because Kristi Noem publicly declared that he wouldn't step foot on US soil again. They wanted to spare themselves the embarrassment of him stepping foot on US Soil again and visiting his family. That didn't happen. He asserted his right to release. That was that he won in front of two federal judges, a magistrate and district judge, for asserting his rights. That's the vindictive prosecution argument, that he's being punished for asserting his rights, that no more is Costa Rica on the table, a country that would be acceptable to him. Now they're contemplating sending him to Trump friendly autocracies, that we'll just send him.

A (48:04)

Right back to El Salvador.

C (48:06)

Correct.

A (48:07)

Against his deportation block order from 2019. And I think what's interesting is again, the reason he's able to apply for asylum again in the immigration court system, which is the third piece of this case, is because he's been in the country less than a year now. And the reason he's been in the country less than a year now is because he was sent to El Salvador in March to seek out by this regime, admittedly, erroneously, and they just refused to bring him back. And honestly, if you were asking my opinion, and I know we've talked about this a lot, they went and tried to put together a criminal case so that they could stop the discovery process in the deportation to El Salvador case, which was going to be wholly embarrassing for the Department of Justice and the Trump regime. And so they cooked up the charges. The government's done this before. They did it in a case way back in the day with somebody in Saudi Arabia in order to not have to go through discovery for why they, you know, sent someone away unlawfully under, under weird and illegal means. They just charged him with a crime so they could bring him back to try to save face and not have to go through that discovery process. So we'll see what happens. There's, there's a lot to come. There's many, many cases. But the reason that he lost his asylum case in 2019 was because he had been in the country for more than a year before he applied. But he did get a cat fear interview and said that he couldn't go to El Salvador. And that's when a judge said, okay, anywhere but El Salvador. And so what does the Trump administration do? They sent him to El Salvador, but again, because he's been here, back from El Salvador less than a year, he's able to file that asylum claim again. Now, immigration judges work for Pam Bondi and Donald Trump. We know that a ton of them have been fired. And he's trying to move a bunch of JAG lawyers from the Department of War to be temporary immigration judges. So I don't have too much faith in that particular course of action. But we'll see. And you and I have talked about the best case scenarios. I personally would love to see this go to trial and I would like to see him out of prison pending that trial. But after that, he probably is deportable. But like you said and like the lawyers here said, because Costa Rica was available and they got guarantees from Costa Rica, a court should compel Costa Rica as the answer if the immigration courts do find him deportable at all. So that's what we're looking at. That's the big picture. And of course, you could follow all of it on All Rise News. When is the next hearing in Abrego that you're going to be attending? And between now and then, didn't you say that you were also going to be traveling for another case?

C (51:13)

Right. So Abrego's hearing is scheduled for Monday. The plan is to go to federal court in Maryland, Greenbelt, Maryland, for Judge Zinis to check in on many of the things that we've been talking about. We'll see if there will be some arguments, arguments on a lot of these issues we've been discussing. Then at the end of the week, there is the arraignment of a former FBI director of the name of James Comey that next week, the Friday after this coming. So it's going to be a big week next week. And the hope is both of them are pretty close to where I am here in New York City and tried to catch both of them and report on the ground.

A (51:59)

Yep. You're gonna be spending a lot of time on the train, my friend.

C (52:01)

Oh, yes, that northeast corridor.

A (52:05)

Yep. Just hold your nose through New Jersey. I'm kidding. I love.

C (52:10)

I am a Jersey Boy. I disclosed that this morning. So and all the time I am proudly a Jersey Boy.

A (52:18)

It's just a very industrial area that the train happens to roll through. That's all.

C (52:22)

I understand. I understand.

A (52:24)

Anyway, thank you so much again for, for joining me. I'm going to be replaying this on my sub stack. You'll be replaying this on your sub stack. If you missed any part of it, you want to watch the whole thing. I'm also going to be putting this interview in tomorrow's Daily Beans podcast. If you haven't listened to the Daily Beans yet, it is free. Wherever you get your podcasts, it's a quick way to get your news and maintain your sanity because there's appropriate profanity and we always end the show with some good news, whether it's listener submitted, if we can't find any good news in the actual news. But it is, I think, something that one of the things I'm most proud of that I've created is this podcast. It helps keep people informed without having to pull your hair out every day. So check it out if you get a chance. Like I said, it's absolutely free to listen wherever you get your podcasts. And this interview will be in tomorrow's Daily Beans as well. Again, subscribe to All Rise News. If you can financially support. All the content is available. But if you can financially support Adam, it really helps. He's out there doing all the traveling and all the reporting on his own in an independent way. It helps keep him independent and so he doesn't have to answer to any major corporate conglomerates. And the same.

B (53:43)

Same with the breakdown.

A (53:45)

Absolutely free to subscribe. If you're able to support us, that's great, but it's not a requirement to get our content. So I want to thank you for joining us today. And if you have any final words to share with. Gosh, we have a thousand and a half people here listening. Thank you so much for being here. If you have any final thoughts to share with them.

C (54:05)

Well, thank you very much, Allison. Always a pleasure chatting. I'm sure I'll be chatting more with the big hearings next week, and I really appreciate everything you're saying. And you're right. This is a moment to support independent media that will not be intimidated, will not back down, and we'll work hard to get the facts.

A (54:25)

So we wouldn't fire Jimmy Kimmel.

C (54:29)

Exactly. Exactly. And we also will provide the resources for when folks do try to fire Jimmy Kimmel. How do you speak out and make those corporations back down as they did so quickly?

A (54:49)

Yes. All right, well, before my phone continues to blow up anymore, I'd like to bid everyone farewell again. Click subscribe up here. Smash the heart button, as the kids say. Set up the algorithm here. And we appreciate everybody joining us and we'll see you next time. Thanks very much. I'm Allison Gill.

C (55:09)

Well, I'm Adam Classfeld. Thanks again, everybody.

A (55:14)

Welcome back. It's time for the good news. Who likes good news? Everyone.

C (55:18)

Then good news, everyone.

A (55:34)

And boy, could we use your good news. Please send it to us. All of it. Whether it's a tiny little bit of good news or a big giant awesome good news, whether it's from yesterday or from 25 years ago. Any fun story? Hey, remember, Dana, we were doing street jokes. Send us your favorite street joke. Street joke is like a. You know, jokes you tell that don't that aren't from comedians.

B (55:54)

But I'll tell you my favorite street joke right now. Everyone, you ready for this?

A (55:58)

Do it.

B (55:58)

This turtle got jumped by three snails and when the cops asked him what happened, he goes, I don't know. It all happened so fast. It's one of my favorite jokes of all time. And it gets funnier and funnier when you think about it.

A (56:12)

That's a good one. So send us your street jokes. We could all use a laugh. We all need to microdose that. Hope you can also send a shout out to a loved one or yourself or a small business or a nonprofit you want to highlight. Shout out to a government program that's helped you or a loved one. Maybe it's a government program that's not around anymore and you would like to bring it back. We'd love to hear from you. And all you got to do to get your submission read on the air is submit your POD pet tariff, which really just means attach any photo that you want. It's fine. You can attach your pet. We'll see if we can guess the breeds. If you want us to an adoptable pet in your area. If you don't have a pet, you can also just grab a random photo of an animal on the Internet. We love animal photos, especially baby animals. I know Dana loves baby otters, especially all otters.

B (56:55)

They don't even have to be babies.

A (56:57)

You could send that to us. You can send us a photo of some rallies you've been to, some of your favorite protest signs. Maybe a photo of you and your friends having a sign making party or a postcard writing party. Or text banking. Maybe you've been to a town hall recently and you want to share some photos from that. A photo of sunset, your happy place, your garden. What are you growing, what are you knitting, crocheting, quilting, painting, writing? We would love to see and hear all of it. Send it all to us dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. All right, first up is your good trouble. This is from Anonymous Pronouns he and him. Good morning leaders of the Laguminati. A good news slash good trouble combo. Oh, all right. Oklahoma has put some less than quality people in positions of power. Not leadership, just power positions. We apologize for that. We're trying to change the outcome of our elections where we rank last in voter turnout, causation and correlation all in one act. Too many Oklahomans do not feel their vote matters and so they don't vote with state question 836. We want to give them their electoral Voice back. About 80% of our elections are decided before the general elections. Oklahoma has a closed primary system and we hope to have this state question approved by the voters of Oklahoma to encourage more voter participation and even encourage folks to run for something. So good news first. State question 836 is about creating open primaries and it's been approved by the Oklahoma Supreme Court. The folks working on this for Oklahoma are a mixture of Republicans, Democrats, Independents and even Libertarians. And we are waiting for the go ahead from our Secretary of State to begin gathering signatures to get this on the ballot in 2026 to change our state's constitution. I love it when they're like even libertarians, people who don't want government to happen are participating in government. Now for some good trouble. Oklahoma has the shortest signature gathering window, 90 days. We must collect a minimum of 173,000 valid signatures, which in reality means we need to get about 300,000 voters to sign our petitions in that 90 day time frame. If any of the Leguminati in Oklahoma or elsewhere want to help spread the word and want to find out when and where to sign the petition to get state question 836 on the ballot, we will have a link in the show notes. It is voteyes836.com and we will need people to help gather signatures. As always, a task this large can use a bit of money too. State Question 836 is at the Tulsa State Fair until October 5th. If anyone's visiting the fair wants to stop by and learn more, we are in the Sage Net building in booth 527 for podpet tax. Here's a few pictures of Frances Kate, AKA Francine. Her breed should be an easy win for you. Showing her support for open Oklahoma's primaries at the Tulsa State Fair. Look at this baby poodle.

B (59:40)

Oh sweetness.

A (59:42)

Oh my gosh. Is that you? Anonymous as Uncle Sam?

B (59:46)

I mean that would be pretty awesome.

A (59:48)

Because holy cow, you have your election outfit and your Halloween outfit and your 4th of July outfit all in one outfit.

B (59:55)

And maybe he wears this all the time. Maybe that is who he is.

A (59:58)

I would wear this all the time if I if I had this outfit. And that would. Absolutely I would. Thank you.

B (60:05)

Thanks for kicking us off. All right, this is from Jill Pronoun. She and her dear fearless leaders of the Laguminata, Allison and Dana. I've been a listener since the Kitchen table days. I especially love it when the two of you are on together and we are treated to your infectious peels of laughter. Thank you for keeping us informed and smiling. Honestly Jill, those are some of my favorite times too. I need to share a shout out to the Affordable care Act, the ACA. My son and my brand new daughter in law eight years ago, just days before my son turned 26, he hit bottom with a substance use disorder. He became alarmed for his health after several trips to the ER due to alcohol induced seizures, shakes and increasing neuropathy. Fortunately, he finally reached out to me to get help. My experience working with healing to wellness courts so treatment courts helped us navigate the insurance approval process and find a rehab that would admit him immediately. The rehab was costly, but fortunately his dad's and my insurance were able to cover a lot of the costs thanks to the aca. My son was always a competitive kid and he put that competitive energy into getting and staying sober. After about a year and a half of sobriety, he was fully employed living independently. He decided to try a dating app for the first time. His third conversation with a beautiful red haired author. They met and fell in love very quickly. They shared a love of tattoos and an inability to resist adopting pets.

A (61:30)

Same right.

B (61:31)

She had independently published over 43 books, all of which had the most gorgeous sensuous covers you can imagine. She writes in the fantasy and romance genres with a strong focus on romantasy, monster romance and stories featuring strong feminist characters and magical worlds. This past August Simon and Schuster published the first of her three book series the Deathless One now available in bookstores. So I so admire how she stayed true to her dream of being a full time writer. The past weekend they were married on a perfect day surrounded by so much joy and love of family and friends. I'm including the COVID of the Deathless One and a picture of the happy newlyweds and for podpet tax, a picture of my son holding a bouquet of three kittens that they rescued. So much of. This would not have happened without the aca. I hope everyone will keep fighting for it. This is a gorgeous wedding photo first of all. Secondly, congratulations to your son for taking control of his life and living his most beautiful for falling in love with this gorgeous human being for holding three kittens and to the gorgeous human being for writing this book of a trilogy that is going to Simon and Schuster. This is beautiful. This is the whole submission is fantastic. It brings me so much joy.

A (62:54)

I need to get these books. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That is a gorgeous cover. Thank you so much for that Good news. That was a good one. Now we have one from Anonymous. No pronouns given. Good morning, Beans Queens. My note is for DG and it's a recommendation as well as a shout out to an amazing pizza joint in Minneapolis as well as the surrounding suburbs. It's called Pizza Luce. It's a local chain with three or so locations. Amazing pizza. Worth the wait. Check them out if you're in town. Okay, writing that down. You got your list of Minneapolis stuff.

B (63:25)

Doing it.

A (63:25)

Attaching a photo of our rescue hound, Leia. Yes, she as in Princess Leia. My family are all big Star wars fans. Enjoy the pizza. Oh, look at the baby dog. So cute. I'll grab the next one too. From Heidi. Pronoun. She and her hi bean famous. I love that Bean fam. That sounds like a great shirt. Bean fam. I want to give a shout out to my brother in law, Paul. He married my sister when my niece was three. From the first day he met her, he was smitten. He played Barbies, put on jewelry and makeup to play princess, learned all about the Cheetah Girls, went to Taylor Swift concerts and coached over a decade of soccer. He let her dictate the rules of their relationship and over the years went from Paul to stepdad to dad. He loved her from day one. Saturday, he walked her down the aisle as she got married. My niece is an amazing young woman and a big part of that is because of the amazing man who helped raise her as pod Pic tariff. I'm including a picture I snapped of my niece dancing with her dad with an expression of full joy. Heidi, I'm tearing up. This is so beautiful.

B (64:30)

This is so beautiful. I feel like I have seen that photo, but maybe I am wrong. Okay, this one is from Anonymous. Hi, ladies. I'm a member of a school board in Oklahoma City.

A (64:44)

Hey.

B (64:45)

Often known as being super conservative, although I actually think we are very quietly progressive.

A (64:51)

Oh, quietly. I see.

B (64:52)

Quiet quietly. Thank you. If I could read that sentence would have made more sense. The good news is that everybody, and I do mean everybody, in the state is happy to see Walters go. This makes me very happy. Anonymous bars across the state held bye bye rye parties.

A (65:09)

Oh my God.

B (65:10)

I have never seen people from such different ends of the political spectrum come together in dissatisfaction and dislike for the same person. I do want to point out that as of the time I'm sending this about noon on September 30, he has not actually. Oh, he has not actually resigned. Which means we are stuck in limbo where our governor can't Appoint someone new.

A (65:31)

What a dick. Just sticking his where it doesn't belong.

B (65:34)

Yeah. Our state school board had to put up with him leading their meeting last Thursday, the day after he went on Fox News to announce that he was resigning. Side note, he asked a studio from a local station if he could use their studio for his interview. They agreed on the grounds that he would answer their questions after he did not stick around. And there is a glorious video going around we're calling the walk of shame, where a badass reporter keeps following him him as he leaves the studio. I saw this. Asking questions that he just blatantly ignores. We're gonna have a link in the show notes so everyone can see this.

A (66:07)

Joy, it's great.

B (66:08)

Tuesday, Walter sent out an email to all parents in Oklahoma that talks about his transition out of the state department. I love that. But I guess he's allowed to transition, but, you know, trans kids aren't. But as of yet, there has been no formal resignation. I'm gonna stay anonymous to protect my district, but just know there are lots of us down here fighting the good fight and doing what can to protect all of our kids. Anonymous. I don't know who you are, but I love you.

A (66:37)

Yes.

B (66:37)

Sending a pic I found online of our state bird, the scissor tail. I also, as a lesbian, I know something. There's got to be a lesbian joke in a scissor tail.

A (66:47)

Yep, yep. I was gonna. I was waiting for the joke when I saw the scissor tail.

B (66:51)

Yeah.

A (66:53)

It's a beautiful bird, though. Oh, my gosh. Okay. That's so cool. You're on the school board in Oklahoma City.

B (67:00)

Thank you for doing the Lord's work. The actual Lord that we respect and love, I think.

A (67:05)

You know, like, it just. It makes me, like, super proud that there's somebody on a school board listening to the daily beans in Oklahoma.

B (67:12)

And maybe you don't even believe in the Lord and that's okay, too. All people are welcome here. I just want to be clear because I'm not a religious person. I think there's a higher power. I don't know who they are. I just like to think I'm not alone out here. The universe.

A (67:24)

The universe. Yep. Indeed. All right, next up, from Kate Pronoun. She and her. Here's a little bit of levity for our leguminous community. Today, our family has a foster dog who we're hoping to adopt. We've named him Captain Raymond Holt, AKA Cappy, because he's just like his namesake. He's stalwart Meticulous, disciplined, wicked smart and fiercely loyal. Unlike his namesake, Cappy has a favorite yard for depositing his gifts. I'm not a jerk, so I do clean up after him. But darn if it isn't tempting to let the Trumpers who live here see what Cappy and I really think of their hate mongering sign. Okay, so this is where the dog likes to take a shit. And it is a Trump supporting house. That's what's happening. You may have to zoom in, but that's a Trump 2024 yard sign in the background. Here's another pic of him and his wild ears in a more dignified pose. You're what the mutt guess is as good as mine. We'll do a DNA test on him when he's officially ours. Congratulations. I hope you get him. Catch. Kate, he's fantastic. Look how. Look how cute he is.

B (68:25)

Adorable.

A (68:26)

The ears are everything like a Boston terrier, German shepherd. He's just cool looking dog. Yeah, can't wait till you get those DNA results. Send them into us and send us all your good news. Dailybeanspod.com click on Contact. We need it all. Just sit and think. Actually, it's probably a good exercise to stop thinking about the news, stop doom scrolling for a second and just think about good stuff that's happened to you in your life.

B (68:49)

Yeah, do it.

A (68:50)

And then pick your favorite and send it in to us. We would love to hear from you. And thanks to everyone who sent in their stuff. Again, that's DailyBeansPod.com click on Contact. We're halfway through the week. There's still more of this week to go. We'll see where we end up, but we'll be back in yours tomorrow. Do you have any final thoughts, Dana?

B (69:07)

I do not.

A (69:08)

All right, until tomorrow. Please everyone, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been hiding. I've been dg and them's the beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information, please visit MSW media network.com MSW Media.