Beans Talk | David Hearn Pleads Not Guilty to Vandalizing the Reflecting Pool

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Daily Beans – Beans Talk | David Hearn Pleads Not Guilty to Vandalizing the Reflecting Pool

Date: July 10, 2026
Hosts: Allison Gill & Dana Goldberg

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Beans Talk" on The Daily Beans dives into the arraignment of Olympian David Hearn, who pled not guilty to felony destruction of property charges for allegedly vandalizing the Reflecting Pool in D.C. The hosts, Allison Gill and Dana Goldberg, deliver their signature blend of sharp political analysis and humor, dissecting the legal situation, satirizing the contrasts with January 6th prosecutions, and providing context for the public reaction. They also highlight notable moments from Hearn’s legal team and revisit “sandwich guy” in a lighter segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Charges Against David Hearn

• Introduction to Case: David Hearn, described as a “decorated Olympian” and “water toucher,” pled not guilty to felony destruction of property after allegedly touching the lining of the Reflecting Pool during an incident.
  • “He pled not guilty today to destruction of property. Felony destruction of property charges.” – Allison Gill [01:24]
• Legal Proceedings:
  • The arraignment took place at D.C. Superior Court.
  • Hearn was released on his own recognizance; the judge declined a request to impose a stay-away order from the reflecting pool.
  • Next court status hearing: August 5th; no trial date set due to court backlogs (earliest would be for detainees before February 2027).
  • “Judge declined to issue an order to stay away from the reflecting pool. You guys, that means… he can not cause further death.” – Allison Gill [01:27]
  • Judge Carmen McClain profile: Nominated by both Obama and Trump, confirmed in 2019.

2. Satirizing the Severity of the Charges

• Contrast to January 6th:
  Hosts express outrage and sarcasm at the severity of Hearn’s charge compared to the treatment of January 6th rioters.
  • “When you look at the fucking January Six riders and what they did... they're charging this guy with the same thing for touching... the lining of the reflecting pool.” – Dana Goldberg [02:40]
  • “Meanwhile, their people... pooping on the Capitol walls and smearing it around and stealing lecterns... they're fine. But Olympian touching the reflecting pool—we gotta charge it.” – Allison Gill [03:03]

3. The Legal Defense & Norm Eisen’s Press Briefing

• Defense Team: Hearn is represented by Norm Eisen (Democracy Forward), with significant legal firepower for a seemingly minor offense.
• Press Statement: Norm Eisen vigorously defends Hearn outside the courthouse.
  • Quotes:
    • “If Mr. Hearn can be charged with a felony for touching the reflecting pool, every American is at risk. And every American should be alarmed about this prosecution.” – Norm Eisen, [04:26]
    • “We have confidence in our justice system to see through this misuse of government power against an ordinary American based on a false and politicized narrative.” – Norm Eisen, [04:45]
    • “…It is not a crime to touch the reflecting pool, to touch water in the United States of America.” – Norm Eisen, [05:54]
    • “This is a case that should never have been brought. Davey Hearn is innocent and we are going to fight this case and entrust the justice system to do the right thing.” – Norm Eisen, [06:23]
  • Eisen mentions an “active motions practice,” signifying numerous pretrial legal maneuvers like dismissals, claims of selective/vindictive prosecution, etc.

4. Court Process Peculiarities

• Why Superior Court:
  • Superior Court is busier and more likely to indict due to its high case volume—a “rubber stamp.”
  • Federal court would have required more rigorous grand jury scrutiny.
• Backlog Impact:
  • Judge McClain expresses court resource strains: no early trial dates for non-detainees.
  • “…we just don't have any time and resources. We can't even start scheduling trials…until February next year.” – Allison Gill [07:34]

5. Government’s Blame and Infrastructure Issues

• Root Cause Analysis:
  • The government’s own actions led to algae growth and subsequent problems at the Reflecting Pool, not Hearn.
  • Use of city water (high in phosphates) for the pool is blamed, along with questionable choices on pool equipment and materials.
  • “…if you use city water to refill the reflecting pool, it's full of phosphates, which is algae food.” – Allison Gill [09:23]
  • “They did that because it looked bad in front of the UFC weigh in at the Lincoln Memorial, which is just disgusting anyway.” – Dana Goldberg [09:54]

6. Cultural & Comedic References

• “Sandwich Guy” Callback:
  The hosts revisit the infamous “sandwich guy” video as a humorous comparison to Hearn's case, driving home the absurdity of minor infractions blowing up in the media.
• Moxie Moment:
  • The segment closes with a palate cleanser—a whimsical Instagram post where a dad turns his kid's stories into songs (“make a purple bear talk!”), highlighting creativity on social media [11:13–12:35].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On government overreach:
  “If Mr. Hearn can be charged with a felony for touching the reflecting pool, every American is at risk.” – Norm Eisen, Hearn's attorney [04:26]

• On legal tactics:
  “Very active motions practice is lawyers speak for: we're going to file lots of motions before the trial.” – Allison Gill [08:57]

• On DC court overload:
  “We can't even start scheduling trials for people who weren't detained before February next year.” – Allison Gill [07:34]

• On government mismanagement:
  "If you use city water to refill the reflecting pool, it's full of phosphates, which is algae food." – Allison Gill [09:23]

• On public infamy:
  “He is going to become another, like, sandwich guy... the guy that touched the reflecting pool and probably got, you know, set free.” – Dana Goldberg [07:11]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [01:24] – Details on Hearn’s indictment and arraignment
• [02:40] – Hosts challenge the proportionality of the charges (compared to Jan. 6th)
• [04:19–06:23] – Norm Eisen’s press briefing & quotes
• [07:34–08:57] – Explanation of Superior Court and court delays
• [09:17] – Critique of government actions leading to Reflecting Pool issues
• [10:25] – "Sandwich guy" segment for comedic relief
• [11:13–12:35] – “Moxie moment” Instagram positivity segment

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Wrap-up

The episode’s tone is sharp, irreverent, and heavy on legal critique mixed with humor, highlighting the perceived absurdity and selective severity of prosecutions in politically charged cases. By contextualizing the Hearn case with both serious legal commentary and playful banter, Gill and Goldberg not only inform but entertain—leaving listeners with both a sharper understanding and a few much-needed laughs.

Transcript

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That's right.

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We think you need to hear it. Okay. Yeah. It's what we say. So.

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That's right.

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And because all we do is give. Every Thursday, you can listen to our hysterical podcast, Idiot of the Week. We round up the stupid. Because you know what? Somebody has to.

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Okay?

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All we do is give. Hey, Everybody. It's Friday, July 10th, 2026. I'm Allison Gill.

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And I'm Dana Goldberg. And this is Beanstalk.

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All right.

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Davey Hearn. Davey Hearn. Davey. Davey, Davey.

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We'll get to that in a minute.

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Decorated Olympian all around. Awesome guy, I'm assuming. I would love to meet him. I would love to meet him. And Shonda and sandwich guy.

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Water toucher.

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Water toucher. It's like pant liquor. Remember that old commercial? Oh, what was the phrase you. Lint liquor.

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He.

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He pled not guilty today.

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Yeah.

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To destruction of property. Felony destruction of property charges. He did that Thursday in an arraignment hearing covered by senior editor at Lawfare, Roger Parloff. And I love that we've got a guy who touched water that's being covered by the senior editor at Lawfare is being defended by Norm Eisen, Democracy Forward. And I'm like an incredible, like, full ass legal team. And here's a brief recap of what Roger Parloff had to say. Let's put this up on the screen. The arraignment in USA v. David Hearn, Olympian, charged with felony destruction of property relating to incident at reflecting pool, just concluded at D.C. superior Court. Next status hearing, August 5th. So mark your calendars. He's been released on his own recognizance. Judge declined to issue an order to stay away from. From the reflecting pool. You guys, that means that the Department of Justice and Jeanine Pirro said, I demand you issue an order to keep him away from the reflecting pool so he can not cause further death. Do you believe that he.

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I mean, what infuriates me is the felony. The charge. When you look at the fucking January Six riders and what they did to the Capitol, they're charging this guy with the Same thing for touching. Touching the lining, going, what is this? Touching the lining of the reflecting pool. And they pardoned all of the people that pled guilty to that felony charge.

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Yeah. Meanwhile, their people, the Maga people, on January 6th, they're pooping on the Capitol walls and smearing it around and stealing lecterns and smashing windows. They're fine.

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They're totally fine.

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Oh, yeah, totes but Olympian. Touching the reflecting pool. We gotta charge it now. Here's, here's his next update that came shortly after Hearn's attorneys asked for a quick TR date, which I would do as well. But Judge McClain said that due to strains on court resources, she couldn't actually set one for someone who hadn't been detained before February 2027. So no trial date has been set yet. Judge camera. Carmen McClain was nominated, by the way, by Obama in 2016 and renominated by Trump in 2017 and confirmed in 2019. So, yeah, it's an interesting history there for that judge. But she, she's like, I'm not going to charge bail and I'm not going to put an order out saying that he can't go near the reflecting. Are you in? Like, that's just bonkers.

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I love it. He's got a great lawyer, actually. So after the arraignment, Davey's attorney, this is Norm Eisen, he gave a speech, he took questions basically outside the courthouse. It's a little bit of a couple minute watch, but it's worth it, especially for the end. So take a look.

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Today, Davey Hearn pled not guilty

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because

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he is not guilty. If Mr. Hearn can be charged with a felony for touching the reflecting pool, every American is at risk. And every American should be alarmed about this prosecution. This indictment reflects the administration's effort to scapegoat Davy and to shift blame for their own failures. We will litigate these issues vigorously. We have confidence in our justice system to see through this misuse of government power against an ordinary American based on a false and politicized narrative. I'll take just a couple questions. Government says they have a lot of evidence. You guys call it weak. Where does, where does it all stand?

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How much evidence do they have?

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We will now engage in the discovery process. We anticipate receiving substantial discovery. The evidence will establish, as we have stated today, Mr. Hearn is innocent.

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What were your intentions behind reaching into the rubber buggy pool? And did you see anything down there? Did you actually cause any damage?

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We will reserve questions about exactly what happened for the trial. That is what the justice system is for. It is not a crime to touch the reflecting pool, to touch water in the United States of America.

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We.

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One last question. Hold on. One last question from this gentleman, sir. Do you think this case will actually go to trial?

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Do you think the prosecution might drop it at a certain point when. What's the potential timeline?

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We will vigorously contest the case at every stage of the trial. You will see very active motions practice. You'll find a statement from Congressman Raskin. This is a case that should never have been brought. Davey Hearn is innocent and we are going to fight this case and entrust the justice system to do the right thing. That's all the questions for today. Thank you, friends. Thanks, everybody.

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They're chanting his name.

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Davey. Davey. Davey. Davey. Rudy. Rudy.

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He is going to become another, like, sandwich guy. This guy is going to go down in infamy as the guy that touched the reflecting pool and probably got, you know, set free. Yeah.

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If you will, acquitted. Now, this is Superior Court. They didn't go to federal court because it's a lot easier to get a grand jury to indict you on felony charges in Superior Court. We've talked about this.

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Box of Wine did that.

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Yeah, that's why Box of Wine did that because it's more of a rubber stamp because Superior Court hears so many cases. You heard Judge McClain. Well, you didn't hear, but you saw what Parloff said. Judge McClain said. We, we just don't have any time and resources. We can't even start scheduling trials for people who weren't detained before February who are, excuse me, who have been detained before February next year. Like, that's how far off this. Their, their schedule is. And it's because. So everything's just kind of rubber stamped through. Now, I want to explain something really quick that Norm Eisen said he talked to will have a very active motions practice because somebody, one of the questions was, do you think it'll even make it to trial? And I just wanted kind of break that down just for a second. Very active motions practice is lawyers speak for. We're going to file lots of motions before the trial. Yeah, it's going to be very robust. We're going to file motions for vindictive and selective prosecutions, motions to dismiss, motions to like, all of these different kinds of motions that have been, you know, getting filed more often, as we've seen now with Trump's Department of Justice, who has lost any semblance of credibility with the courts. It's called the presumption of regularity. Andy and I actually have a segment in the Unjustified podcast, which comes out on Sunday. Andy McCabe and I, it's the last segment, and we talk about what a judge has said this week about the Department of Justice having no credibility. And we call the segment Hit Me in the Head with a Bat.

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So I don't care how long you workshop that. That's fantastic.

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That's the very active motions practice. That's what he means by that.

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And Ag, one thing I love about Norm Eisen, he talked about how this is actually all the government's fault. And we've been talking about these. There's a litany of things the government did wrong.

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Oh, absolutely. I mean, you and I have been covering this for how long now on the Daily Beans audio podcast.

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Yeah.

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We talked about how that one expert who talked to the New York Times said if you use city water to refill the reflecting pool, it's full of phosphates, which is algae food.

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Yep.

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We also talked about how they wanted to remove the big kind of ugly bubblers that were preventing the algae from forming after they refilled it with city water. And they said they knew, showing that they knew that city water would create algae. And they did that because it looked bad in front of the UFC weigh in at the Lincoln Memorial, which is just disgusting anyway. Right.

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Yeah, they could. They also talked about how it could actually be the materials they use to coat the bottom of the pool. I. Someone said, and I don't know if it was true, that some of this stuff is used for truck liners. I guess the company does both. But that's all according to the New York Times review. And I really do love, though, that this is probably going to go down. Like I said before, the same kind of funny case as the sandwich guy is Sean Dunn.

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Yeah. Oh, and hey, you know, just for fun and because it brings me joy,

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it's one of my favorites.

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Let's watch the sandwich guy video again.

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Oh,

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Is he in flip flops? He's in flip flops, right? In, like, shorts or in loafers? It's flip flops or loafers.

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Oh, God, I absolutely love that video. So thought we'd replay it for you.

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Give us a little palette cleanser. What's our moxie moment for today?

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Ah, our moxie moment comes from Steven Spencer on Instagram, who turns his three year old's stories into songs. Here you go.

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There was a purple bear princess. She was a grown up dog. She was a grown up purple bear princess doll. Yeah. What Was her name Unblossom?

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That's a nice name.

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Actually, it's Greta. And she really didn't. Really couldn't know how to talk.

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Right.

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Cuz she was a dog. But I am a fairy and I have one. One I can do magic. So she can just talk. You can make a purple bear talk. Make a purple bear talk.

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I have been getting these in my Instagram feed for so long and I love him.

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Me too. Absolutely.

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It's just creativity. There's so many creative people out there.

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Really.

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I know that, you know, the social media is accessible and a lot of our listeners are like, I gave up Facebook. I'm not on Instagram. If you decide that you do ever want to reconnect, there is a way to make sure your algorithm just gets these sorts of videos.

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Yeah. Or you could just have a best friend like mine who sends them to me.

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Yeah, there you go. You can have your own moxie.

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Yeah, get your own moxie. No, everybody's got a little moxie. So that's our show. And you know, I'm, I'm. If there's ever like a poster, you know how they did those like Banksy style drawings of the sandwich guy. I hope they. I hope we start to see street art of the.

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Our kayaker. I love it.

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The water toucher. Thank you all so much for watching this week. We really appreciate it. Everybody, you're going to want to check out the breakdown, which I do as a show, I do on the Midas Touch Network, noon Pacific time on Sunday. I've got massive, massive breaking news and it's not out there. I'm the only one. It's me and my lawyer have this letter in our hands from the FBI and you're not going to believe it. We're going to talk about that on Sunday and then we'll be back. We'll be back Monday. Thanks so much for watching. We really appreciate you. I'm Allison Gill.

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I'm Dana Goldberg.

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And that was beans talking.

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