Democracy Sausages (feat. Adam Klasfeld)

Summary

The Daily Beans Podcast – Episode: Democracy Sausages (feat. Adam Klasfeld)
Release Date: May 5, 2025
Host/Author: MSW Media
Description: Women-owned progressive news podcast delivering social justice and political news with a touch of snark.

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Introduction

Allison Gill ([00:00]) kicks off the episode by highlighting the day's hot topics:

• Donald Trump's wavering stance on upholding the Constitution.
• His declining approval ratings in rural America.
• Legal setbacks, including a federal judge blocking Trump’s attempt to dissolve the Institute of Museum and Library Services.
• Other significant events like border agent activities in Tucson and United Airlines' flight cancellations.

Dana Goldberg ([01:33]) joins Allison, and they extend greetings to listeners both in the U.S. and Australia, setting a friendly and inclusive tone for the episode.

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Honoring Jill Buell

Allison Gill ([04:02]) and Dana Goldberg ([04:02]) take a heartfelt moment to remember Jill Buell, a beloved singer-songwriter known for her standout performances and activism. They express deep sorrow over her untimely death in a house fire in Minnesota, praising her as "one of the most ethereal people" and an inspirational figure who touched many lives ([04:02]-[06:12]).

Dana Goldberg ([05:44]) shares personal reflections, highlighting Jill’s profound impact on their community and expressing hopes for her peaceful afterlife.

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Main News Discussion

Trump’s Constitutional Comments and Approval Ratings ([07:37]-[23:31])

• Trump’s Stance on the Constitution ([07:37]-[09:22])

  • In a Meet the Press interview, Trump admits uncertainty about his obligation to uphold the Constitution, stating, “[07:37] I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know.”
  • Allison Gill ([07:37]) expresses disbelief, emphasizing the gravity of a president questioning constitutional duties.

• Declining Approval in Rural America ([23:31]-[23:31])

  • Recent polls show Trump’s approval among rural voters is decreasing, with Dana Goldberg ([23:07]) noting a significant drop in support.

Environmental and Infrastructure Issues in Alabama ([08:14]-[10:19])

• Human Waste Backup Crisis ([08:14]-[09:22])
  • Residents in Lowndes County, Alabama, face severe wastewater contamination due to failing septic systems. A 2017 study revealed that one in three adults in the area had the intestinal parasite hookworm.
  • The Biden administration allocated nearly $26 million to address this issue, labeling it “environmental racism.”
  • Trump’s executive order labeled the program as “illegal DEI” and aimed to dismantle it, prompting outrage from the hosts ([09:03]-[10:19]).

Allison Gill ([10:06]) criticizes the administration’s rationale: “We can’t stop shit from backing up in people’s toilets because a majority black people live there. Like, that doesn’t make any sense to me.”

Judicial Actions Against Trump’s Policies ([10:26]-[17:32])

• Blocking the Institute of Museum and Library Services ([10:26]-[11:25])

  • A federal judge, Richard Leon, temporarily blocks Trump’s attempt to dissolve the Institute of Museum and Library Services, citing overreach of legal authority.

• Deportation at Tucson Maternity Ward ([11:25]-[12:46])

  • A pregnant Guatemalan woman is facing expedited removal immediately after giving birth in Tucson, Arizona. Border agents are denying her access to legal counsel.
  • Allison Gill ([11:48]) responds vehemently: “Pro life, my ass.”

Voice of America Legal Battle ([12:46]-[14:50])

• Uncertain Future for VOA ([12:46]-[14:50])
  • A federal appellate court pauses a ruling to restore operations at Voice of America, leaving its future uncertain. The decision indicates potential jurisdictional issues.
  • Allison Gill ([14:35]) remarks on the unpredictability of the situation, noting the court's divided stance.

United Airlines Flight Cancellations ([14:50]-[17:32])

• Air Traffic Chaos ([14:50]-[16:08])
  • United Airlines cancels 35 daily round-trip flights from Newark due to air traffic controller departures following equipment outages.
  • Dana Goldberg ([15:27]) explains the issue is compounded by previous staff firings affecting radar and radio maintenance.

Justice Department Settlement with Ashley Babbitt’s Family ([16:08]-[17:32])

• Settlement Over Capitol Riot Incident ([16:08]-[17:32])
  • The Trump administration preliminarily agrees to settle a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Ashley Babbitt’s family after her shooting during the Capitol riot. Details remain confidential.

Mike Waltz and Signal App Controversy ([17:32]-[19:25])

• Use of Third-Party Messaging Apps ([17:32]-[19:25])
  • Former National Security Advisor Mike Waltz is scrutinized for using Telemessage, a third-party app similar to Signal, raising concerns about secure communications within the administration.

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Interview with Adam Klasfeld ([30:39]-[63:34])

Allison Gill ([30:39]) welcomes Adam Klasfeld from All Rise News to discuss the recent judicial ruling by Judge Beryl Howell against Trump’s executive order targeting the law firm Perkins Coey.

Key Highlights from the Interview:

• Judge Howell’s Landmark Ruling ([31:27]-[36:33])

  • Judge Howell permanently blocks Trump’s executive order, comparing Trump’s tactics to Shakespeare’s "kill all the lawyers" from Henry VI, emphasizing the threat to the rule of law.
  • Adam Klasfeld ([31:27]) explains the ruling invalidates the executive order entirely, unlike previous temporary measures that only blocked sections.

• Implications for Law Firms ([36:33]-[43:49])

  • The decision impacts law firms either resisting or capitulating to Trump’s policies, with potential appeals heading to the Supreme Court.
  • Discussions revolve around the resilience of the legal system and the judiciary’s role in upholding constitutional norms.

• Broader Judicial Pushback ([43:49]-[62:39])

  • Klasfeld highlights a trend of judges issuing strong rulings against Trump’s administration across various courts, viewing these actions as critical defenses of democracy and the rule of law.
  • References historical parallels to democratic crises and the importance of maintaining judicial independence.

• Role of All Rise News ([48:31]-[55:20])

  • All Rise News focuses on providing actionable information for citizens to engage in upholding the Constitution, such as participating in the notice and comment process on federal regulations.

Notable Quote from Adam Klasfeld ([36:33]): “This ruling that just came down from Judge Howell blocks the entire executive order in its entirety. Before today, before now, the temporary restraining orders didn't go that far. This one. It’s as if this order never existed.”

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Good News Segment

Katie Ledecky Breaks Her Own World Record ([23:31]-[26:22])

• Katie Ledecky’s Achievement ([23:31]-[26:22])

  • Olympic swimmer Katie Ledecky sets a new world record in the women’s 800-meter freestyle with a time of 8 minutes 4.12 seconds, breaking her own previous record from the 2016 Rio Olympics.
  • Allison Gill ([24:13]) and Dana Goldberg ([23:31]) celebrate her remarkable performance, highlighting her dominance in the sport and inspirational journey.

• Gretchen Walsh’s Record ([24:18]-[26:22])

  • Gretchen Walsh becomes the first woman to compete in the 100-meter butterfly in under 55 seconds, further showcasing outstanding athletic achievements.

Allison Gill ([26:15]) remarks on Ledecky’s unparalleled consistency: “She’s been only competing against herself.”

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Good News from Australia

Australia’s Election Victory for Labor Party ([02:11]-[23:31], Featured in Listener Submissions ([67:02]-[71:39]))

• Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s Re-Election ([02:10]-[03:30])

  • Anthony Albanese secures a second term for Australia’s Labor Party, overturning months of poor polling and leading to a decisive victory over the conservative opposition led by Peter Dutton.
  • Dana Goldberg ([02:30]) praises the result as a rejection of Trump-like conservative politics, emphasizing the lessons learned from the U.S. political climate.

• Listener Submissions Celebrating Australia’s Victory ([67:02]-[71:39])

  • Australian listeners share their joy over the election results, highlighting the defeat of Trump-like candidates and celebrating the Labor Party’s success.
  • Carly ([67:02]-[71:39]) and other listeners express solidarity and happiness, sharing photos and personal stories about the impact of Australia’s political shift.

Dana Goldberg ([66:59]-[71:39]) humorously explains the concept of "democracy sausages," Australian festival food used at polling places during elections.

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Listener Submissions and Good Trouble

Listener Stories ([63:26]-[76:11])

• Veronica’s Vegas Trip and Matching Tattoos ([63:26]-[66:13])

  • Veronica shares her five-day trip to Vegas with a lifelong friend, culminating in matching tattoos to commemorate their enduring friendship.
  • Allison Gill ([66:10]) and Dana Goldberg ([65:43]) express admiration for the meaningful gesture.

• Cindy’s 30th Anniversary and Academic Achievements ([70:02]-[73:40])

  • Cindy celebrates her 30th anniversary with her wife, highlighting her academic career focused on marginalized voices and queer literature.
  • Dana Goldberg ([73:40]) praises Cindy’s dedication and contributions to academia and activism.

• Tony’s Wife’s 70th Birthday and Activism ([70:02]-[73:40])

  • Tony shares a touching story about celebrating his wife’s 70th birthday, honoring her lifelong commitment to scholarship and advocacy for marginalized communities.
  • Allison Gill ([73:40]) and Dana Goldberg ([73:40]) commend the couple’s contributions and highlight their activism efforts.

Good Trouble Segment ([55:20]-[63:34])

• Encouraging Political Engagement ([55:20]-[63:34])
  • Allison and Dana urge listeners to take actionable steps to support the rule of law, such as participating in the Federal Register’s notice and comment process and supporting progressive law firms resisting Trump’s policies.
  • They share examples of how organized efforts, like a Georgia law student’s spreadsheet of law firms opposing Trump, can create meaningful change.

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Conclusion

Allison Gill ([75:48]-[76:11]) and Dana Goldberg ([75:48]-[76:11]) wrap up the episode by thanking listeners, emphasizing the importance of community, and encouraging continued engagement through sharing good news and participating in good trouble. They remind listeners to send their good news stories and pet photos to be featured in future episodes, fostering a sense of community and positivity.

Final Thoughts:

• Dana Goldberg ([76:01]) expresses ongoing love and remembrance for the late Jill Buell, underscoring the episode’s balance of hard-hitting news and heartfelt moments.
• Allison Gill ([76:11]) concludes with warm wishes, urging listeners to take care of themselves and others.

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Notable Quotes

• Allison Gill ([10:06]): “We can’t stop shit from backing up in people’s toilets because a majority black people live there. Like, that doesn’t make any sense to me.”
• Dana Goldberg ([07:54]): “Impeach him.”
• Adam Klasfeld ([31:27]): “This ruling that just came down from Judge Howell blocks the entire executive order in its entirety. Before today, before now, the temporary restraining orders didn't go that far. This one. It’s as if this order never existed.”

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Key Takeaways

1. Judicial Pushback Against Trump: Federal judges, notably Judge Beryl Howell, are actively blocking Trump’s executive orders and policies, emphasizing the protection of constitutional norms and the rule of law.

2. Declining Trump Support in Rural America: Recent polls indicate a significant drop in Trump’s approval among rural voters, suggesting waning support in traditionally loyal constituencies.

3. Environmental and Infrastructure Struggles: Rural Alabama faces ongoing wastewater contamination issues, with Trump’s administration rolling back Biden-era initiatives aimed at combating “environmental racism.”

4. Voice of America’s Uncertain Future: Legal battles continue to determine the operational status of Voice of America, reflecting broader tensions between the media and the current administration.

5. Celebrating Resilience and Achievement: Amidst political turmoil, the podcast highlights uplifting stories such as Katie Ledecky’s athletic achievements and Australia’s reaffirmation of progressive politics through recent elections.

6. Community and Activism: The hosts encourage listeners to engage in meaningful political action, support progressive causes, and celebrate personal and community victories.

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For more information and to submit your good news, visit mswmedia.com or contact @dailybeanspod.com.

Transcript

[Allison Gill]

MSW Media. Hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Monday, May 5, 2025. Today, Donald Trump tells Kristen Welker that he doesn't know if he has an obligation to uphold the Constitution. Trump's approval rating is collapsing in rural America. A federal judge has blocked Trump's bid to dissolve the Institute of Museum and Library Services. Harmeet Dhillon at the DOJ has canceled a Biden era program that ended human waste backing up into people's homes. In Alabama. Judge Beryl Howell has issued a blistering ruling against Trump's actions against the law firm Perkins Coey. Border agents are posted up at a Tucson maternity ward to quickly deport a migrant mom as soon as she gives birth. Trump's Department of Justice is going to give a bunch of our taxpayer money to Ashley Babbitt's family. Trump folds his lawsuit against Maine over trans athletes. United Airlines cancels Newark flights over FAA staffing. The Pentagon inspector general is expanding his investigation into Pete Kegseth over Signal Gate. Mike Waltz accidentally reveals he's using a third party app to archive signal chat messages. The fate of Voice of America is up in the air again. And Katie Ledeki breaks her own 10 year old world record for the 800 Met freestyle. I'm Allison Gill.

[Dana Goldberg]

And I'm Dana Goldberg.

[Allison Gill]

Happy Monday, my friend. And Happy Monday to everyone in Australia.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yes, happy Monday to them. I love that. Our good news. In order to get a good news story we had to go to sports. We're like, we're going to sports people.

[Allison Gill]

Sports beans. But I, you know, I just, I've always been, I've been following Ledecky since.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, Katie's amazing. She's incredible.

[Allison Gill]

2012 and this is just brilliant. And so I thought everybody could use that little bit of uplifting good news at the end of our hot notes.

[Dana Goldberg]

Not the only good news. Australia.

[Allison Gill]

Right.

[Dana Goldberg]

Congratulations. My God. The prime minister Anthony Albanese of Australia. He won his second term. He completing a stunning turnaround by the way for his governing center left party. That labor party. They trailed in the polls for months. They trailed as a festering cost of living crisis weighed on voters. But man.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. And ABC Australian Broadcasting Corp. That's the public broadcaster in Australia called the election for Albany's just a half hour after the last polls closed on Saturday. It's got to be some kind of record. It was a resounding defeat of the conservative opposition led by Peter Dutton. He also lost his seat just like Poliev did.

[Dana Goldberg]

Love it.

[Allison Gill]

He began the campaign riding the dissatisfaction with the status quo that's kind of what happened to us in November. But he was hamstrung by a string of missteps and his association with. With Trump's messaging and policies. So let that be a lesson.

[Dana Goldberg]

I mean, my God, think about this. I mean, things are so bad here that two countries were. Their conservative parties were in the lead, and then they looked at the United States and went, oh, shit, we do not want this to turn into that. And they got out and they voted.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. Except in Hungary, where they did a. I think a first ballot, and it looked like the Trump candidate, the Trumpy candidate there is doing well. So we'll keep an eye on that.

[Dana Goldberg]

It's also so gross that now we call him Trump candidates. Like, how did he get so much power? You know what I mean? Like, ew.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, we do it in an insulting way, but a lot of people don't.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Allison Gill]

And I just wanted to take a minute to remember a friend and an incredible performer. I kissed a girl and Supermodel from Clueless and just a whole host of just incredible songs. One of the most underappreciated singer songwriters I've ever known. Jill. So Buell has passed away. Away. And this is just devastating.

[Dana Goldberg]

It is Jill. If you've ever had a chance to meet, see here the best way we can describe Jill and I can. She is a unicorn. She's one of the most ethereal people, humans, that I'd ever met in my life. Full of joy, full of resistance, full of doing the right thing. And when I got news of her death, the spider web, I. I think you'll agree with this, Alison. The people posting that were all connected by Jill so that are in my world and in my sphere that otherwise have nothing to do with each other, but she touched all of their lives. You know, my. My dear friends, Julie Wolf and all of Antigone Rising, they were doing the show, you know, seventh grade off Broadway with her, and she just was something special. She's gonna be deeply missed. She was a groundbreaking singer, songwriter, and one of the best that I think we've ever seen.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. She just transcended all kinds of groups and cliques and genres and people, and it's just. She's one of those rare people that everybody loves.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah. And if for some reason this news is reaching you for the first time just listening to this, it's a horrifying story. She. She died in a house fire in Minnesota. She was staying, from what I understand, with friends on her tour. And I'm not sure the specifics of it. But when the first responder showed up to the house, it had already been engulfed in flames. So my, my praying and my hope as I can feel it coming up in my throat, the tears. I'm just, I hope that she went peacefully and she will be deeply missed. Deeply missed.

[Allison Gill]

She will. So this show, this is for, this is for you, Jill. And I'm just gonna, I'm just, all weekend, I'm just listening to Jill Sobyel and the Beastie Boys. Those are my two go to May 4th. We record this. And, you know, while it is May 4th be with you, it's also MCA Day. It's been 13 years since we lost MCA of the Beastie Boys as well. So that's what's in my playlist. And I'm just gonna keep honoring her fantastic, beautiful, bright, amazing memories.

[Dana Goldberg]

I will as well. So sorry to bring that somber news up front at the top of the show, but it is important that we honored her and she's probably the best part of this, of this episode, her life and her legacy. So thank you, Jill, for all the.

[Allison Gill]

Gifts you gave us 100%. All right, everybody, it's time for some news. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right, everybody. First up, Trump argued in an interview with NBC News Meet the Press that fulfilling his ambitious campaign promise to rapidly carry out mass deportations may take precedence over giving immigrants the right to due process under the Constitution as required by law and the Constitution and the courts. In an interview last month with Meet the Press, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, yes, of course. When asked whether every person in the United States is entitled to due process, Trump, however, not so sure. Quote, I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. That's what Trump said. When asked by Kristen Welker whether he agreed with Marco Rubio. His comments came during a wide ranging interview at his Mar a Lago resort in Florida, which aired Sunday. When Welker tried to point out that what the Fifth Amendment actually says, Trump suggested that such a process would slow him down too much. The Constitution slows me down too much. So then Welker said, don't you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as President? And Trump said, I don't know. Now, can you imagine?

[Dana Goldberg]

No.

[Allison Gill]

Biden had said, are you kidding?

[Dana Goldberg]

They would do the 25th amendment immediately.

[Allison Gill]

I know.

[Dana Goldberg]

I'm just so tired of this double standard. And I wish that Republicans, these people that actually care about the Constitution and the Constitutionalists in this country, speak up.

[Allison Gill]

Impeach him.

[Dana Goldberg]

Impeach him.

[Allison Gill]

Jesus.

[Dana Goldberg]

All right, deep breath. This one's from NBC for the last 14 years. Well, when it rains. In louds. No. How do you.

[Allison Gill]

Loud.

[Dana Goldberg]

Lounged.

[Allison Gill]

Lounge.

[Dana Goldberg]

How do you say that?

[Allison Gill]

I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to have somebody write in. Anybody from Lowndes County, Alabama, let us know how to.

[Dana Goldberg]

Like how I did that. I was looking. Lounge. Nope. Lounged lounge. We're going to go with Loun County, Alabama. Please write in and correct me. And when it rains, it contaminated standing water. What it does is it builds up around Annie Burke's home. So when the septic tank breaks down, raw sewage backs up into her toilet. This is what she said. This is from her own account. Although, quote, frustrated by the unhealthy and inconvenient conditions, Burke said she doesn't let it get her down. Human wastewater contaminating homes and yards in these rural parts of central Alabama, quote, has become a way of life. She said, this is totally unacceptable. The problem has existed so long and was so pervasive that a 2017 study determined one in every three adults in that specific county had the intestinal parasite hookworm.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, my God.

[Dana Goldberg]

This is horrifying. The Biden administration, by the way, investigated and allocated nearly $26 million to rebuild that county's water infrastructure, with the Department of Justice declaring the majority black area was suffering from, quote, environmental racism.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. Here, here.

[Dana Goldberg]

Statement. Absolutely. But earlier this month, guess what happened? No surprise, Donald Trump issued an executive order killing the deal. Called it, and I quote, and I just want to tell him to go himself. He called it illegal DEI.

[Allison Gill]

Jesus.

[Dana Goldberg]

The DOJ's hermetic, K. Dhillon, the Assistant Attorney General for civil rights under Trump, said the agency, and I quote, will no longer push environmental justice as viewed through a distorting DEI lens. Referring to, of course, diversity, equity, inclusion programs. This is so grotesque on so many levels, and so many of those people probably voted for him.

[Allison Gill]

I don't know. I don't know. It's like, it's. It's. We can't stop shit from backing up in people's toilets because a majority black people live there. Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

[Dana Goldberg]

I know. I. I agree with you. And it's amazing how much we're hearing about water problems in the United States in rural areas.

[Allison Gill]

Well, now, you know, Trump wants to redefine the epa. Trump's EPA wants to define what waters are so they don't have to keep them clean under the Clean Waters Act. Yep, here we are. We reported about that, too. Next up from the Associated Press, A federal judge agreed to temporarily block the Trump administration from taking any more steps to dismantle an agency that funds and promotes libraries across the United states. This is U.S. district Judge Richard Leon. He ruled Thursday that plaintiffs who sued to preserve the Institute of Museum and Library Services are likely to show that the Republican administration doesn't have the legal authority to unilaterally shutter the agency, which Congress created. It's ongoing theme here. The American Library association and the American Federation of State, county and Municipal Employees filed a lawsuit last month to stop Trump from gutting the institute after he signed a March 14 executive order that refers to it and several other federal agencies as, quote, unnecessary. So this is temporarily blocked by Judge Richard Leon. I believe he's a GW Bush appointee as well.

[Dana Goldberg]

Thanks, Allison. This one's from the Arizona Daily Start. Guatemalan woman who gave birth in Tucson on Wednesday, days after entering Arizona through the desert and getting arrested, by the way, by border agents, is facing rapid deportation proceedings under Trump's expedited removal policy, which could put her and her baby's health and safety at risk. This is according to the immigration attorney.

[Allison Gill]

Pro life, my ass.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yep. But Department of Homeland Security officers who are posted outside the woman's Tucson medical Center hospital room, they're refusing to let the new mother speak to a lawyer and she requested one. This is what the Tucson attorney, Luis Campos, told the Arizona Daily Star on Thursday. After days walking through the Southern Arizona desert, the woman was apprehended by Border Patrol earlier this week. Mind you, she was clearly nine months pregnant when she was doing this Border Patrol earlier this week and put into detention until agents transported her to the hospital to give birth on Wednesday. CPB spokesman John Manell confirmed Thursday that the woman at TMC faces expedited removal. And that's a rapid deportation process without the ability to see an immigration judge first and by law now, and the way the Constitution is set up, that child is an American citizen.

[Allison Gill]

Yep. Yeah. And so, you know, DHS is saying, oh, yeah, sure, no, they'll have the choice about whether to have the child stay, but she has to go. But we know from other reporting that, you know, some of the two and four year old children, US Citizens, same kind of situation with, you know, in cancer treatment, were deported with their mother. And when DHS said, oh, yeah, the mom had a choice, they didn't. They were coerced into doing that. So when the DHS says, oh, we'll give the mom the choice. I don't believe them for one second. Next up from Politico, the future of Voice of America remains in flux after a federal appellate court this past Saturday paused a ruling that reversed dismantling of the embattled news outlet a day after journalists were told they could soon return to work. A Justice Department email sent to attorneys representing VOA employees on Friday said the agency would begin a phased return to office and resume programming next week. But by Saturday afternoon, a divided D.C. circuit Court panel issued a stay of a lower court order that would have restored these people to their jobs and restored Voice of America. They found the lower court likely didn't have jurisdiction to order the employees back to work. Judge Nina Pollard, an Obama appointee, is the single judge dissenting on Saturday. And she wrote the decision is tantamount to silencing Voice of America for the foreseeable future. We'll see whether other VOA lawyers file for a rehearing on bonk, and we'll let you know because the past three months, all the emergency reconsiderations for three judge panels have all drawn two Trump appointees each. And I don't know what's going on. They're supposed to be randomly assigned, but that's a weird like all of them have gotten these two to one Trump appointees to like one Obama appointee or one Biden appointee.

[Dana Goldberg]

That is bizarre.

[Allison Gill]

And so, you know, I think they might go en banc and get the full panel since there are seven judges on that, on that panel that have been of the 11, seven of them have been appointed by Democratic presidents. So we'll see if they go en banc and we'll let you know.

[Dana Goldberg]

All right. Thanks, A.G. a little bit of air traffic chaos because of some layoffs. This is from the Wall Street Journal. United airlines is canceling 35 daily round trip flights from Newark, New Jersey, starting this weekend after a group of air traffic controllers, well, they took leave following equipment outages, actually. My apologies, this wasn't the firing. Now chief Executive Scott Kirby said Friday the decision came after Federal Aviation Administration controllers who oversee airspace surrounding Newark left their post Monday after problems with their radar and radios. Several controllers took trauma related leave after a similar outage last fall.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, and we should say that this actually is because of the firings because the reasons that the radars and the radios aren't working is because while they didn't fire a lot of air traffic controllers, they did fire all of the people who maintain their Equipment.

[Dana Goldberg]

Ah, well, shit. Thank you. Good to know. Quote from the story. Newark Airport cannot handle the number of planes that are scheduled to operate there in the weeks and months ahead. Head Kirby said in a message posted on United website. So if you can try, avoid going into EWR because it's going to be a mess. And not only that, one of their runways has been down for weeks. It happens about every 10 to 20 years, but they don't know when it's going to be back up and running.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, and that's a problem. A lot of people who live on the west coast or elsewhere don't realize Newark is a pretty much a de facto airport for New York. And so you either fly into JFK or you fly into Newark, you know, or LaGuardia. But it is, it's right there, you know, across the river from Manhattan.

[Dana Goldberg]

So it's one of the easiest airports, if you are in Manhattan, to get in and out of normally.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah.

[Dana Goldberg]

But I tell you what, they've been doing a lot of work with LGA LaGuardia. They've been redoing it. And I mean if you can, JFK still a mess, bless their heart. But LaGuardia has actually done a lot of upgrades. It's nice. They've done. They've done well.

[Allison Gill]

They really have. But a lot of people relied on Newark. I did. When I fly in and out of New York, I prefer used to prefer Newark. So Next up from 10News, the Trump administration has reached a preliminary agreement to settle a wrongful death lawsuit brought by the family of Ashley Babbitt over her shooting by an officer during the Capitol riot. That's what her attorney said. On Friday. Lawyers for Babbitt's estate and the Justice Department told a judge in Washington's federal court they've reached a settlement in principle. Oh, that's interesting. When the Insurrectionist takes over the Department of Justice and reaches a deal with an insurrectionist. But the details are still being worked out and the final agreement has not yet been signed. The terms of the settlement have not been disclosed. And we'll cover this in more detail on Wednesday's cleanup on aisle 45 podcast because I got to know what Harry Dunn thinks of this.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh my God. I just feel like some of this is such a mess. From NBC as well, former National Security Advisor Mike Walls, that fella. You know the signal chat. Yep. Well, he was photographed using a signal like messaging app during Wednesday's Cabinet meeting. That was more than a month after he up the first time under intense scrutiny for accidentally including a Journalist in a group chat that disclosed military plans. A photo was published by Reuters showing the screen of Walls's smartphone with the message threads labeled And I quote, J.D. vance and Gabard. The app had a similar interface to Signal and that's that encrypted messenger that was at the heart of that signal gate. But it appear to instead be an app called Telemessage, which seemingly uses some of Signals encryption technology while also allowing clients to archive messages for compliance purposes. The image adds to ongoing concerns about how Walls and other members of the Trump administration are communicating, and it should be, especially how they're discussing classified or sensitive information. Walls is apparent use of the app. It was first reported by 404 Media. So this guy doesn't seem to get it.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, either that or Waltz has been on this third party app so he could archive everybody's Signal chat messages and he has all the goods against everybody. Which is why maybe he wasn't outright fired and instead made the ambassador to the UN Oof.

[Dana Goldberg]

That is a good assumption, but you know, who knows?

[Allison Gill]

But I just want to draw the attention to Mr. Stebbins, who happens to be the Pentagon's Inspector general. And we're going to talk about that in a minute. But if you're listening, Mr. Stebbins, if you're listening, please subpoena, subpoena Mike Waltz's. What's it called, what's the app called? Telemessage messages. Because he might have all the stuff you need to archive. Because in the original Signal chat, they disappeared their messages, remember?

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah.

[Allison Gill]

So they're not there. All right.

[Dana Goldberg]

Of course they did.

[Allison Gill]

Let's shift to some good news. Speaking of Kegseth. This story is from the Wall Street Journal. The Pentagon inspector general has expanded the investigation into Kegseth's sharing of military plans to a second signal chat that included his wife and his brother. And that's according to a congressional aide and another person familiar with the investigation. Acting Inspector General Stephen Stebbins announced last month he was going to investigate Hegseth's use of the first signal chat group with it. You know, the discussions for airstrikes in Yemen. The move pertained to a signal chat involving Kegseth and other senior administration officials that was disclosed by Atlantic magazine when the when Jeffrey Goldberg from Atlantic was accidentally added to the chat. But it hasn't been clear before that the probe also was including the second Hegseth chat, which was disclosed by the Times after Stebbins's announcement. The expanded investigation increases the risks for Kegseth, who has denied posting classified information and said the controversy over his use of signal has been fueled by leaks from opponents. And if by opponents you mean all of your old weird drinking buddies from, you know, Concerned Veterans for America that you frog walked out of the Pentagon, then, yeah, I guess you could call them opponents, but. Ye fun.

[Dana Goldberg]

I don't know why I like that term, frog walked, by the way. That made me very happy.

[Allison Gill]

It's probably the wrong term, but I like it, too, so I keep using it.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, no, it's not anymore. We can. If it is the wrong term, I think we should coin it. There's gotta be something. All right. There's more good news coming from the Guardian. The Trump administration has agreed not to freeze funds. This is interesting to me. To Maine's school. That's a win for the state that was targeted by the president over its support of transgender rights. And a settlement disclosed on Friday. The USDA said it would halt all efforts to withhold the funds for a child nutrition program in Maine. Good. The USDA had suspended those dollars after Maine officials said the state would not comply with Donald Trump's demands that trans girls be barred from participating in girls sports. Now think about that.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, they wanted to starve.

[Dana Goldberg]

He wanted to starve children because of bigotry.

[Allison Gill]

Yep. Yep.

[Dana Goldberg]

In February, the president directly threatened to revoke funding for the state at a White House meeting with Governors Janet Mills, Maine's Democratic governor. And she responded, well, we'll see you in court. In a widely shared exchange. That was beautiful. And I quote, it's good to feel a victory like this. The governor said in a press conference. The Portland Press Herald reported this. She said, I stood in the White House, and when confronted by the President of the United States, I told him I'd see him in court. Well, we did see him in court, and we won.

[Allison Gill]

Love her so much. I love her so much. You're gonna starve kids because of the two trans athletes in the state of Maine that you hate because you're bigots. Wow. Well, they settled and won. Maine won. Congratulations to Governor Mills from Newsweek. Trump's support among one of his most loyal constituencies, rural Americans. It's tanking. It's eroding. The 2024 election saw Trump with 63% of rural voters, up from 60% that he got in 2020. So he got more rural voters in 2024 than he did in 2020. But in a PBS NPR Marist poll conducted between April 21st and 23rd among about 1500 adults shows that Trump's support among rural voters is declining. Activotes latest poll conducted, like I said, between March 31 and April 29among 576 voters, also showed a decline in support among rural voters for Trump. The poll showed 49% approve, while 46% disapprove. His approval rating is down 9 points in rural America since March.

[Dana Goldberg]

I'm surprised it's not higher.

[Allison Gill]

I know.

[Dana Goldberg]

Or more I should say. Excuse me.

[Allison Gill]

Meanwhile, his disapproval is up 6 points since March and 11 points since January. The poll has a margin of error of about 4.1 percentage points, plus or minus. The recent polling trend shows a consistent decline in Trump's approval rating across multiple demographic groups in rural America, by the way. So you love to see it?

[Dana Goldberg]

Sure do love to see it. All right, and here's our sports beans, everyone. Katie Ledecky broke her own world record in the women's 800 meter freestyle, lowering the mark she set almost a decade ago at the 2016 Rio Olympics. Eight years ago, she broke her own record. That was eight years ago, almost nine now. She recorded a time of 8 minutes 4 seconds and 12.12 at the TYR Pro Swim Series in Fort Lauderdale, shaving sixth tenths of a second off of her previous record in finishing almost 20 seconds, 20 seconds ahead of her closest competitor. She now holds the top 10 times ever recorded in this event.

[Allison Gill]

Top 10 times ever recorded?

[Dana Goldberg]

All 10 of them.

[Allison Gill]

Okay, so Trump has broken a record for the lowest approval rating after 100 days. And the other record that he broke was his own in 2017. And the top 10 worst days on Wall street are all Trumps. So we're flipping the script here.

[Dana Goldberg]

I love it. I love it. And Katie said, I can't stop smiling. It's been like this all week though, so it's not really new. That's what she said after the race, per USA Swimming. She said, it's been so many years in the making to do it tonight. It's been an incredible night. The crowd was amazing tonight. I couldn't have done it without that. I flipped at the 750 mark and it was so loud in here, I just told myself, I'm not letting this opportunity go to waste, and started sprinting. As Ledecky touched the wall and looked up at the screen to see her time, the crowd erupted, knowing that she had broken her own record. Now, a fraction of a second later, Ludecky celebrated as well, smashing the water. I love when they do this too, with their hands and raising a fist in triumph. And on the same day, by the way. Her compatriot Gretchen Walsh, who I also love watching, she's a powerhouse, became the first woman to compete in the 100 meter butterfly in less than 55 seconds. That's recording a time of 54.6 to lower the world record she set earlier that day. Decky noted after her own record that quote, tonight is the first record I've done when another American has done it. Hats off to Gretchen for getting us rolling this morning and starting a world record party. Katie Ledecky was 15 years old when she made her Olympic debut in 2012 in London. She won gold in that, by the way, in the women's 800 meter freestyle and was the youngest athlete on the US Olympic swimming team. She's a, a badass and my hat goes off to her now.

[Allison Gill]

She has so dominated long distance freestyle for the last 13 years that she's really only, she's been only competing against herself.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah, truly since 20. Funny when they show the scoreboard because it's like Ledecky LA all 10 down.

[Allison Gill]

20 seconds ahead of anybody else in the field. Shaving a 6:10. That's just incredible. Breaking her own records. Love it. Love to hear it. I needed that good news. And we, we also need your good news. Send us your good newsailybeanspot.com click on contact. Let us know what world records you're breaking or, you know, what you're planting for spring in your garden. Curious as to your zone and what you're planting. I love spring. I love gardening. I love planting. So let us know that among any other good news, you have and the correct pronunciation of that county in central Alabama. Yes, please, we can make sure that we get that right. This is just. I love this story. So, so thanks for sharing it. Everybody. Time for a little good trouble. Hey, trouble. Yes. All right. I snagged this one from Chaotic Good. On Reddit it says super cunt. White House Faith Office Director Paula White is asking for prayers to be uploaded to a public Google Drive. Paula White and friends. Here's what it says. Paula White and friends are asking pastors to record videos of themselves calling for prayers and whatnot and to upload them to the National Faith Advisory Council's Google Drive folder.

[Dana Goldberg]

This is a bad idea.

[Allison Gill]

Which appears to be a public folder quote. We're asking pastors nationwide to post a 60 second video on their personal or church's social media account for the National Day of Prayer and upload the video to our drive. This is a powerful opportunity to unite the body of Christ, encourage bold Prayer for America and remind believers of the power of faith, truth and action. So feel free to send your video input using the link in the show notes. Make sure it's 60 seconds long. And thanks to Chaotic Good for today's Chaotic Good Trouble. I love that. I love that super cunt. White House faith office director Paula White.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, man, she really is.

[Allison Gill]

Thank you so much.

[Dana Goldberg]

You know, she's married to one of the band members of Journey.

[Allison Gill]

No.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yep.

[Allison Gill]

I don't know if there's still believing.

[Dana Goldberg]

No, don't, don't, don't. I just, I. I mean, you can Google it. I think they're still married, but yeah.

[Allison Gill]

Come on, Journey. Dump her. Dump the super. All right, everybody. Over the weekend, Judge Beryl Howell issued a blistering ruling for the ages in the Trump case against the law firm Perkins Coey. I discussed that and more with Adam Classfeld from All Rise News during a substack Live over the weekend. I love subst. I love Substack Live. And we're going to have that interview in its entirety for you after this break. You can subscribe, by the way, to my substack, totally free. Muellershirote.com would love to see you over there. So stick around. We'll be right back. Delete Me makes it easy, quick and safe to remove your personal data online at a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable. Today's episode is brought to you by Delete Me. And I can't recommend them enough. Personal privacy is harder to maintain than ever. With just a name, anyone can find your phone number, address, or even your family's information online. That data is out there and it can be used in dangerous ways against you. This isn't hypothetical. We've all seen stories of people who were targeted, harassed, or even threatened because of what was found online. For anyone with an opinion or a public presence, it's a serious risk. I've seen it happen to friends and I felt the anxiety myself. And that's why I use DeleteMe. They work behind the scenes to remove all your personal data from literally hundreds of data broker sites. It's not a one time scrub. This is a continuous monitoring. They keep working all year long, updating and removing your info so you don't have to chase it down yourself. It's like whack a mole. It's one of the most important steps I've ever taken to protect both my personal privacy and my business and my family. It doesn't make you invisible, but it does make you safer and in today's world, that matters more than ever. So if you care about privacy and safety online, this is a no brainer. Delete Me helps you take control. So take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now at a special discount for listeners. Get 20% off your Delete Me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com DailyBut and use promo code Daily Beans all one word at checkout. Again, the only way to get 20% off is to go to JoinDeleteMe.comDailyBeans and enter code DailyBeans at checkout. Again join DeleteMe.comDailyBeans code DailyBeans. You'll be glad you did we are live.

[C]

Hi, it's Alison Gill with the breakdown Melushi Road Daily beans cleanup on L45 the unjustified podcast. Welcome to everybody. I'm so excited, especially right this minute, to be talking with Adam Klassfeld, good friend. He's been on the pod a million times, going all the way back to the kitchen table days of Mueller, she wrote. And he's now launched a great new substack and platform called All Rise News. And boy, I've been following All Rise News on Blue sky like crazy because your coverage is just so in depth and you're so good at explaining things in a way that a non lawyer like myself can understand. So we really appreciate you and I'm glad to have you here because some breaking news from All Rise News just happened.

[D]

Thank you so much, Alison. Yeah, huge news. It's the first shot across the bow in the cases involving big law, the first ruling by Judge Howell permanently blocking Trump's executive order against Perkins Cohey. And we saw, you know, the flood of TROs and all of the judges really up in arms knowing what a real threat to the rule of law this is. And, and you know, this happened minutes before we were going live and we long planned to go live. It's a sort of gift from Judge Howell here. So if folks don't mind, I think I'm just going to read her opinion because this is one for the ages. It starts, no American president has ever before issued executive orders like this. The one at issue in this lawsuit targeting a prominent law firm with adverse actions to be executed by all executive branch agencies. But in purpose and effect, this draws from a playbook as old as Shakespeare, who penned the phrase the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. When Shakespeare's character, our rebel leader intent on becoming King hears this suggestion, he promptly incorporates this tactic as part of his plan to assume power, leading in the same scene to the rebel leader demanding away with him, referring to an educated clerk who can make obligations and write court hand. Eliminating lawyers as the guardians of the rule of law removes a major impediment to the path to more power. That's how it begins. You know, this is, this is a judge who is talking about the serious threat to the rule of law. Law. And let's not forget that Judge Howell knows all about that in terms of Donald Trump. She's the one who presided over the grand juries in the criminal cases when she was chief judge of the District of D.C. and I think we can fully, fully expect decisions like that following suit in the same court. We, you know, at All Rise News, we recently covered one in the Jenner case by a different judge. And it's, and this was a judge appointed by George W. Bush. I was listening in on that hearing. They have some remote coverage of the courts in the District of D.C. giving the public more of a chance to engage with these cases. And the pull quote that I came out of that hearing with was this judge saying, give me a break. This was U.S. district Judge John Bates summarizing the Trump administration's argument, trying to defend that, you know, that that was all that he could say to that, give me a break. That it was such a frivolous argument. And he what in particular the Trump administration judge was trying to say that because the law firm embraces diversity initiatives, that that somehow justifies keeping the lawyers, all of the lawyers and employees away from government buildings. That's what got the judge so dismissive, because it was a very dismissive making argument. It was a ridiculous argument. So I think we can fully expect rulings like this. And I want to make just one important point here. This ruling that just came down from Judge Howell blocks the entire executive order in its entirety. Before today, before now, the temporary restraining orders didn't go that far. They blocked sections of the order because it's hard when you're giving temporary relief. There's some things where a US President has broad power, like security clearances and so on a Trojan. None of the judges felt they, it was within their power to do this. This one. It's as if this order never existed. And that is one of the things that the lawyers were saying here. And this was a very powerful quote in the Jenner and block hearing that I was listening to earlier, that one of the lawyers was saying that don't make it that the only way to escape the entirety of this order was, in his words, on bended knee, like the Paul Weiss's of, of the legal community who had entered into settlement agreements. So that was. This is a major development in this whole litigation. And it happened just minutes before we had long planned to speak tonight.

[C]

Yeah. Very serendipitous and quite a strong ruling. And I think it's going to be interesting to see with these law firms because we've got a handful of law firms that are pushing back and a handful of law firms that have caved and given 40 to $140 million in pro bono work. And in Pam Bondi's latest, I don't know, proclamation about the police state, she is now offering these lawyers up for use by local and state law enforcement to defend them in cases of excessive force or whatever. And it'll be very interesting to see based on this ruling and where it goes on appeal and likely up to the Supreme Court, whether these law firms that have bent the knee and offered pro bono work will rescind it. Maybe at some point, depending on what this court or higher courts do. That doesn't make them brave in my eyes. I'm still firmly behind law firms like Perkins Coey as opposed to law firms like Paul Weiss. But it'll be interesting to see how these law firms, when they are asked to provide their pro bono services to probably unlawful things, or at least highly skeptical. Awful. Awful, but lawful things, how they respond to that call given this ruling or future rulings. I'm not sure if once it gets up to the Supreme Court, maybe parts and pieces of the executive order can be reinstated, like the withdrawing of security clearances, for example, because he's got a broad power to do that and the Supreme Court and him are pals. Even though John Roberts seems completely flabbergasted as to why he's acting like a king when he's the one who handed him the crown. But it'll be interesting to see how these law firms that have subjugated themselves react to this particular ruling and future rulings.

[D]

Right, right. And because this live happens minutes after the ruling came out, I should say I have not read this 102 page ruling that. That is the length of this ruling. This is a judge who is taking her time on an appeal and making sure that the, you know, as you noted, is going, this is going up. And she is clearly in taking that intro, starting off with Shakespeare and then moving forward, she's writing this one for the ages.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'M glad she is. And you're you're right in that she knows a lot more than we do about what has happened in past Trump cases and Trump allied cases because she was the chief judge there in the D.C. circuit or in the D.C. district Court. It let's talk about some more things that All Rise is reporting because I've been following you closely and we've also been doing this over on Unjustified. These kinds of bench slaps, these kinds of very forceful rulings have been happening a lot to Trump's Department of Justice. And one of my favorites recently is a Fourth Circuit opinion by Judge Wilkinson. And I know that y'all read that and covered that. I wrote about it here on my substack on the breakdown. Talk a little bit about just in general. We've been seeing a lot of judges. Not only do I have whiplash from what happened last November, just with politics in general, but with having to adjust now to the government being the one that's getting yelled at and castigated and bench slapped versus the defendants, namely Trump, who switched places kind of quickly. And a lot of judges are really coming out forcefully against this administration. Whether those orders hold is another thing entirely. But Ketanji Brown Jackson said in Puerto Rico this weekend, it's important that the judges stand strong and that history will favor them.

[D]

Right. And I think that they understand what kind of historical moment we're in. You know, I keep but harkening back to when I was covering the post 2020 election litigation that was happening at one court after another. And when judges realize there's something serious that's happening, a threat to the rule of law, threat to the constitutional order, you see opinions like this one after another. And yes, you're starting to see opinions like this with the Wilkinson opinion, Ronald Reagan appointee, who's speaking directly to the Trump administration, speaking directly to people in the White House, trying to essentially get them off the ledge, saying that you might succeed in trying to discredit the judiciary among your supporters in the public eye. But this is something that's going to boomerang against you because, as he put it, the perception of lawlessness is going to infect. It's going to be a contagion that's going to have law in its epitaph. And so I encourage everyone to read that ruling. Sometimes these decisions just speak to history. There was one earlier this week that flagged in the case of one of the Columbia students who were targeted for his activism, another green card holder, not Mahmoud Khalil and it was a case in Vermont where the judge said, likened it to the Red Scare and talked about other times in our history where there was a moral panic or an anti communist or an anti anarchist witch hunt. And he took that broad historical view, didn't go as far back as Shakespeare, but did go back more than a century to the Palmer Raids in the early 20th century. And talking about the moral panics of our time and how this anti First Amendment crackdown, it harkens to that and how he said, in his view that the fever will eventually pass, that he, he had a pretty hopeful note that particular judge. But it's, you know, covering this beat for a couple decades, you see opinions like this once in a while. Judges are writing them one after another after another because I think they understand the danger. They understand why they had an ambition to become a federal judge and to because they wanted to uphold the law and see the lawlessness surrounding them. And by the way, there are four federal judges who describe what's going on as lawlessness. An entire panel of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals and Judge Zinis in the district court below in the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case. So you're seeing judges sinking very deeply on this note, not only within the confines of these cases, but the lawlessness that these cases represent.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm also thinking of, I think last week on Unjustified, Andy and I talked, Andy McCabe, who's my co host on that show, talked about Judge Lamberth's ruling in Voices of America and how he was like, you didn't even give me an even if scenario here. Normally, if you're going to make an argument on the law, you're like, well, we don't think this applies because of this. And even if you think it applies, Judge, we don't think it does because of this. And even if you think those two things were wrong on here's a third thing. And the judge was like, you didn't even give me a second option. And you didn't even mention arbitrarian capricious anywhere in your thing. Your reasoning is completely void. It's like, I award you zero points. May God have mercy on your soul. And now we notice in Trump's, Trump's reply to the ACLU's case about the Alien Enemies Act. Now in Boasberg's court, Trump's opposition came into that motion, amended complaint and motion for preliminary injunction. And now he's maybe, maybe they've learned a lesson because now they've said, well, there's no agreement with Bukele. But even if there was, it's not a valid agreement. And even if all that. You think it's a valid agreement, I, the president am able, I get to decide what the definitions of words in laws mean. And in the Alien Enemies act case, I say that Trenda Aragua is an incursion or an invasion into the United States by a foreign government. And the judge down in the Southern District of Texas in a different case about the Alien Enemies act ripped him.

[Allison Gill]

Apart for that argument as well and.

[C]

Entered I think a permanent injunction.

[Allison Gill]

For.

[C]

Those folks down in the Southern District of Texas in their habeas petition. So it's going around these judges are tired and a lot of them are Trump appointed judges like Fernando Rodriguez, I think in the Southern District of Texas. Trump appointed.

[D]

Right. That was a Trump appointee. Absolutely. And Fernando, Fernando Rodriguez, he did the, he went down the definition of the Alien Enemies act case saying that it was that this was not a declared war. Congress declares war. It was not an invasion and not a predatory incursion. Just went down all the ways that it was inapplicable. Want to go to one of the things that you mentioned, another of those very sweeping opinions by Judge Lamberth, another Reagan appointee. And as you mentioned, this was in defense of Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty. And this is another one of these rulings that happens usually once every couple of years maybe where he's taking the historical sweep of history, Talking about the 250-year-old republic of ours and that if liberty and the freedom that we enjoy is going to survive another 250 years, every CO equal branch of government needs to use their powers bravely. Judges don't. These are red blinking alarms by all of these judges from all of these different presidential appointments from various different jurisdictions, all sounding the same note about the survival of democracy, the survival of the rule of law. They're telling you the same thing and they're coming from various different backgrounds and various different presidents and they're certainly alarmed. Another thing about his ruling regarding Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, it he, you know, it's interesting to note that these were organizations that were meant to get beyond the iron curtain, that were meant to get through to authoritarian spaces. And so that was a very important ruling into rescuing these, you know, these entities, their funding and their ability to do their important work.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah.

[C]

So talk a little bit about the concept of All Rise News as it relates to having to cover the Department of Justice.

[Dana Goldberg]

Now.

[C]

I mean, you and I, going back to the First Trump administration covered the Department of Justice in the first Trump administration. Then we covered the Department of Justice under President Biden. And now we're back to covering the Department of Justice in this administration. And I want to talk about All Rise News because it's not just breaking down what these rulings mean. It's not just talking about what happened in the courts today. It talks about practical things that people can do to have an impact on the rule of law. And I think that that's exceedingly important because, you know, I've always, I have a good trouble segment in my show and we always, you know, we like to especially like flood these snitch lines and render them inoper. But to be able to participate as a regular citizen, a non lawyer, somebody who doesn't work at the Department of Justice in Justice, I think is so important. And I think that you're one of the only publications that I know of that's doing that. So talk a little bit about the birth of that and how it's working.

[D]

Well, thank you so much, Alison. It's basically a conviction that journalism needs to step it up a few notches. I want to to respond. I saw a comment there about how the GOP isn't expressing alarm. Another interesting thing about Lambert's ruling is that he calls out the Congress for saying that it's not acting like a co equal branch of government. It's in control of the power of the purse. It's the one who appropriated the money in a legislation signed by Trump. He made sure to mention. But about All Rise News, and thank you for asking. Asking All Rise News is, as we discussed very recently, a quadruple quintuple play on words that everyone needs to do their part, essentially. And we look for places where people can use the power afforded to them in a constitutional democracy. Sometimes it's by spotlighting actions that were effective and related to what we're talking now. Now, we ran a story that featured an interview with a Georgia law student who created a spreadsheet of more than 800 rows listing law firms that were capitulating to Trump or fighting back to Trump. And it was originally started so that students could make informed decisions about who they work for in summer internships or anything like that. And you know what? Students were taking it seriously and they weren't working for the Trump capitulating firms. And it became a recruiting problem with a spreadsheet with data. They made huge impact. And that's at anyone's fingertips. They just did in an organized fashion with I believe 18 people were directly involved in the creation of that public list that anyone could go to. It's linked to in our story on all risenws.com Another thing that we highlight, there is a process called notice and comment when there's a rule on the Federal Register. Right now there's a rule on the Federal Register that will be the next proposed purge of the civil service that the Trump administration has proposed a rule that would mean replacing up to 50,000 federal civil servants with political appointees that are under Trump's thumb that is up for notice and comment, which means anyone watching this stream right now can go to the Federal Register and say, you know what? We don't want that. We want civil servants. We want, we want a government that's comprised of professionals, not just the president's, you know, chosen, you know, lackeys or Apparatchee. Yes, 50,000, I saw that question there. 50,000 federal employees are on the line in this proposed rule. So we're going to feature notice and comment. When you can place, everyone can place a comment either anonymously or in their name on the Federal Register expressing their viewpoint on this, we're going to make that a regular feature. We say, what is a proposed rule? What is your ability to comment? And folks, what's the URL? Well, for this particular rule, the rules are generally on regulation.gov but you can go for this specific rule. It's on an article on all risenews.com youm'll find it on how the next that Donald Trump hopes that you won't notice. The next government purge is the title of that article. So all rise News in every kind of capacity. The way we're going to approach the story is to try to locate where your power is and that not treating these stories as, you know, we find out what happens on the next stage of a litigation. This is what happens at the courts. We find actionable information because unlike during a press conference, unlike during a White House press release, the arguments and the facts that are brought forward in those proceedings need to be verified and lawyers can be held accountable. And if you look at, for example, the kind of bluster of the Trump administration. Oh, we don't need to listen to any judge. Well, you should listen to a lot more of the proceedings to see how sincere they are about that. Because every proceeding, nearly all of these proceedings that I listen to, the government attorneys are tripping on themselves to try to persuade the judge. Oh, yes, your honor, we're trying to comply. We just, we interpret the ruling this way. Now, is it a cat and mouse game? You bet. But it's not that. If you want to know about whether these proceedings are working, working, whether, whether they are having the intended effect, that, yes, there is very real change that this litigation causes. Is it enough? No. That's why All Rise News is designed the way it is. We're, we're saying that it, we're, we're not just spectators on the attack on our constitutional order, but at the same time, and let's not take a totally fatalistic view of what's going on, there is a lot happening in the court, courts that really do matter.

[C]

Yeah. And that's why we have the Good Trouble segment. Our good trouble was to go on the Federal Register and make a comment about that rule and a few others, too. So if you need the links to those, they'll be in the show notes for the Daily Beans podcast. But also, I think we got 54,000 non real complaints at the anti Christian reporting thing at the Department of Veterans affairs, for example, I'm suing MSW Media is suing DOGE for Freedom of Information act requests, along alongside the First Amendment coalition with Kel McClanahan and National Security Councilors. So before I let you go, because we got a couple minutes left here, I wanted to ask you, when you're in court and you're watching these proceedings, you were mentioning you were getting at this a little bit at the end of what you were saying just a minute ago. I've been in court a few times, but it was during the Biden administration. But I'm hearkening back to. I remember there was a case in the first Trump administration where Donald Trump wanted to add a citizenship question to the census. And it went to court and the courts came up with a decision, and they all decided, okay, we're not gonna be able to put the citizenship question on the census. And everybody thought it was done. And then Donald Trump is like, it's not done. Go back. I'm putting it on there. And the lawyers had to show up in court for the Department of Justice and be like, you, Honor, we are so sorry. Because the judge had called an emergency hearing to be like, excuse me, what's going on? It was on a weekend. And the Department of Justice lawyers were like, they know. I think, as Judge Boasberg said in one of his recent hearings, I always tell my staff and my clerks that your trustworthiness is your treasure. Your candor is of the utmost importance in this court. Kind of given side eye over to the Department of Justice lawyers. And they were like, we're so sorry, you, Honor. We had no idea that this wasn't over. We thought it was over too. Or when the Mueller thing ended, when the Mueller report, the Mueller investigation ended and a bunch of court dates had to be canceled. The Department of Justice lawyers were like, we're sorry. When we scheduled this hearing, we didn't think that this was going to be over. We're really sorry. And they were like super apologetic. When you're in these hearings, what is the sense you're getting from the Department of Justice lawyers now? Because I keep thinking like a lot of these folks are left over the Biden administration, many are left over from the first Trump administration. Some have been there for four or five presidents and back into the Obama administration. What is it like for these DOJ lawyers to put forth these bullshit arguments knowing like I'm, I'm especially thinking of the one guy who got fired in the was it was, I think it was either the Abrego Garcia case.

[D]

Yes, was. I believe it. I believe it was because he had mentioned that he was the one who let it slip that was mistakenly deported in his words and, you know, not let it slip. He was fulfilling his obligation of candor with the court. I, you know, it's a good question, Allison. I think that one of the real takeaways are where are all the line prosecutors? And I'll explain what I mean by.

[C]

That because they have Drew Ensign arguing.

[D]

Exactly. Exactly. My, you know what, what is their reaction? My thoughts are that the main justice lawyers are overextended in doing the work that the line prosecutors do not and will not do. It's to expand on that. I have covered a lot of this. I'm a New Yorker. I've covered the Southern district of New York for a very long time. And us it's a very, it's a very fiercely independent jurisdiction and they don't cede their turf to Washington easily. And all of these big cases, you have high ranking officials from Washington and main justice going up on the Acela presumably. I don't know how they get here to argue the cases that New York isn't touching. And all of these big cases, you have the deputy assistant attorney general arguing alone in court. You have Emil Bovey arguing alone in the Eric Adams case there they appear to be jet setting around the country. And I think it's really telling. You have all the political appointees or the people who work for the political appointees as close to Washington doing the work that, you know the, the line prosecutors would usually do or the, you know, the, the civil division of the respected U.S. attorney's office. And it just shows how much Washington is in control of all this, how much the real professionals and career people aren't touching this. And I'll end with this one moment that was recent in the Alien Enemies act litigation where one of these lawyers who was again from Washington was trying to defend the Alien Enemies act proclamation and said that it is one of President Trump's most popular policies. And the judge shot back, it's not a popularity contest. This is the department trying to turn this into a White House press release. And that's not how it's supposed to work in court.

[C]

Yeah, like I saw somebody on, I think Abby Phillips show, I saw a clip where, I don't know, Scott Jennings probably was arguing that most Americans want people to be sent to El Salvador without due process. And you know, there's people there trying to argue like, look, but you realize what the Constitution says, right? Again, it's not a popularity contest. I'm sure slavery was very popular in the South. That's not a legal argument. And so it's fascinating to see the very gifted line prosecutors being pushed aside for very political and mealy mouthed Trump allies arguing for the Department of Justice. And I think that's one of the things to bring it back around to where we started with Judge Beryl Howe's opinion. It's one of the things causing these judges to write these rulings for the ages and speak in historical contexts and to make clear that, as Wilkinson said, the law will sign its epitaph that history is not going to be kind to this administration and those who defend ended it.

[D]

Looking back, absolutely. Very well put, Allison. And to your point, the reason we have a Constitution, the reason we have civil rights laws, is because this stuff doesn't go to a referendum. It's not a person, it's not a popularity contest. And that's why we have these constitutional protections. That's why we have a constitution.

[C]

Agreed. Thanks to everyone for joining. But I could get addicted to these substack lives. All the hearts, all the love that keeps effort vessing up from everybody that's here. Really appreciate you being here and following the breakdown, my substack. And if you aren't already following All Rise News, there's so much important information coming out and not just the kind of coverage that you can get anywhere else. You're also going to get practical things that you can do to help balance the scales of justice and help uphold the Constitution and the rule of law in the United States. So thank you again. Thanks for starting All Rise News. I'm so excited for you and where this goes and I'm sure we'll have you back or I'll be over on yours or something.

[D]

Excellent. I'm looking forward to it. Have a great weekend.

[C]

All right everyone. Have a great weekend. Thanks so much for joining us everybody.

[Allison Gill]

Welcome back. It's time for the good news. Who likes good news? Everyone? Then good news everyone. And if you have any good news confessions corrections, pronunciation corrections like, you know, counties in central Alabama, for example, we want to hear about that. If you have a shout out to yourself or a loved one or a small business in your area or some great community activism that's happening or your small business, we want to hear about that too. Shout outs to government programs that have helped you or a loved one. Anything from the Affordable Care act, subsidies to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, anything like WIC or Snap Head Start, free school lunches, a student debt relief, great VA health care you've received. We want to hear all about [e-mail] click on contact and to get your submission read on the air, all you have to do is pay your POD pet tariffs, which means attach a photo of your pet. If you want us to guess the breeds of your shelter pup and or cat we can try. We're not very good, but we also can guess the breeds of cows, horses and turtles and we can also that guess the model of your axolotl which is fun. If you don't have a pet, you can send us an adoptable pet in your area. We'll see if we can find him a home. If you don't have that, any animal photo off the Internet will suffice. That's totally fine and acceptable. If you don't have that bird watching photos, which can be an actual bird or a photo of you and your family and friends flipping the bird to Trump and Musk Properties. Those are always a joy. They bring me so much like laughter. And then if you don't have that you can just send your baby pictures which you should just send anyways. Send it all to us dailybeanspod.com click on contact first up from Veronica Pronouns she and her hello Queens of the Beans. I just spent a much needed five days in Vegas with my very best friend of 40 years who knew that the kids who showed up wearing the same outfit at summer camp would still be besties after all these years. We make a point to Travel together annually. And after the first part of this year, the break was definitely needed. We celebrated this trip by getting matching tattoos to commemorate our friendship.

[Dana Goldberg]

Nice.

[Allison Gill]

My first tattoo and I love, love it. Just like our tattoos, our friendship will last forever. I also made sure to get my bird watching photo in because the first hundred days of this travesty shouldn't go by without the recognition it deserves. Thank you for everything you do. I listen to the beans daily and look forward to your delivery of the news with the wit and sarcasm that make it a little more bearable. Veronica, thank you. Look at this beautiful bird flipping here to the Trump Tower in Vegas.

[Dana Goldberg]

Those hearts.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, I love these little tattoos. They're so beautiful.

[Dana Goldberg]

They're very sweet.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, one on the ankle and one on the wrist, it looks like.

[Dana Goldberg]

I love tattoos with a good story. Most of them have them. Not always.

[Allison Gill]

Congrats.

[Dana Goldberg]

Yeah. This one. This next one's from Perry. No pronouns given. Great news from Australia. Yep. Love your show. By the by. My favorite uplifting news from the United States. Only good thing about the Trump presidency so far is that his authoritarian rule has helped our center left government retain office at this weekend's election. Election. We have compulsory voting in Australia and I highly recommend it. It ensures the parties remain in the center and saves loads of money being spent on trying to get people out to vote. Plus, we have democracy sausages.

[Allison Gill]

What is. What is a democracy sausage? I don't know.

[Dana Goldberg]

I'm clicking on this link as we're.

[Allison Gill]

Recording on the link. Democracy sausage. It's a map.

[Dana Goldberg]

What in the world? Look at this. They're little sausages.

[Allison Gill]

Cupcakes. Cupcakes and sausages.

[Dana Goldberg]

Where's the key? What does this mean?

[Allison Gill]

I don't know.

[Dana Goldberg]

But you can't just drop democracy sausages and not tell us what this means.

[Allison Gill]

This is amazing. We'll definitely put this link in the show. Notes.

[Dana Goldberg]

I need to know what the cupcakes are as well.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah. Follow up with why. Why do you have democracy sausages? And what are the cupcakes? I want to know too.

[Dana Goldberg]

I want to know.

[Allison Gill]

Thank you so much, Perry. Next up from Claudia W. Hi, Daily Beans. I'm an Australian. We had an election last week and decisively rejected Trumpism. The opposition leader lost his seat. I do not partake in democracy sausage. Only because I was too early. Okay.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh, my God. More democracy sausage.

[Allison Gill]

There's another. And I go to the link. Democracy sausage or sausages wrapped in a slice of bread bought from a sausage sizzle. Operated as a fundraiser in the Australian polling Places on election Election day often in aid of the institutions that house the polling place one in 2016, almost 2000 polling booths, just under a third across Australia had a sausage stand by the count of the election Sausage Sizzles website. Okay. That's what they are. You can get sausages at the polls.

[Dana Goldberg]

That's amazing.

[Allison Gill]

Thank you for the link to the Wikipedia and not just straight to the democracy sausage map.

[Dana Goldberg]

At least we know where can go get sausages with the map.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, look at the Pupper. Hi Pupper.

[Dana Goldberg]

I know. Even though you did the definition. That was a short one. Do you want to take the next one?

[Allison Gill]

Sure. And oh, I get it. Instead of anonymous, it's an Ozymus. Queens of the Beans DG and Ag. Here's a bit of news to raise your spirits. We just had an election in Australia and not only did the country resoundingly reject the Trumpist vision of our conservatives, but the leader lost his seat. Just like in Canada four days earlier, we overwhelmingly reelected a Labor government and routed the conservative conservatives for pod pet tariff. Here's a photo of my 83 year old mom assisted by my best boy handing out how to vote cards on Saturday and doing their bit to promote progressive politics. Look it. Oh so so adorable. That's a. That's a. Looks like a very regal and loyal pup, right?

[Dana Goldberg]

Absolutely. All right. This is from Cindy Pronoun. She and her my lovely wife and I are celebrating our 30th anniversary this year. Happy anniversary Cindy and lovely wife. We met in a lesbian chat room on AOL. I was soccer babe 22 on AOL, by the way. If anyone wants to know. Never suspecting that the scratchy scratchy sound of dial up would be so life changing as she battles daily to keep her job with the Feds. We are staying positive that there is still much joy to be found in our future together as we continue to explore the world and nurture the nature filled sanctuary in which we live. Love you sweet cheeks. That I believe is to her wife but I'm going to think it's to us.

[Allison Gill]

Yeah, we can be sweet cheeks.

[Dana Goldberg]

Love this. My baby dear friend who I lost tea used to call me sweet cheeks.

[Allison Gill]

Sweet cheeks. Love it. Thank you so much Cindy. Next up from Carly. She her. Hi again fabulous AG&DG. This is that Australian from the other day. I don't have good news but great news on the Australian election. Voldemort AKA Teu, Trump Thug and Spud got vanquished. Not only did he lose did did he lose the election he lost his seat. I included a photo so you can see where we're coming from. Despite the Murdoch media billionaires backing the lnp, which is like your Republican Party got smashed by our Labor Party comparable to your Democrats. Very happy. Australia's richest person is hopefully having the biggest soup today. Thank you for your podcast. I listen on the way home from work each day even though I'm not in America. We do feel the impact of some decisions. I feel for you all there who are struggling through this, this. And seriously, if either of you are ever in Perth, Western Australia, please come over for a feed. Another photo of my Marley Moo. Please pass on my thoughts to your friend who lost their Marley Moo. I gave my little man an extra little squeeze after you shared that. Take care, Carly. Thank you. Yeah, look right Voldemort.

[Dana Goldberg]

My goodness, he does look like. It literally looks like if you mix Trump and Musk in a photo, that's what this guy guy would look like, right?

[Allison Gill]

I feel like if he. If Trump like opened his shirt, that guy's face would come out of his chest.

[Dana Goldberg]

Look at the puppers on the last picture.

[Allison Gill]

Oh yeah, a little Marley Moo. What a sweetie.

[Dana Goldberg]

Oh my goodness. Thank you for this. All right, this is from Tony. Pronouns he and him. Hello Alice and Dana and all the ships at sea. I did not take the giant flags to mayday rally last Thursday because I was celebrating my extraordinary wife's having a accomplished 70 years. I love that. What a great way to say it. We mark the occasion with white roses, freshwater pearls, a bottle of 18 year old glamorange single malt scotch. I hope that was close. And dinner in our favorite restaurant. That sounds like a hell of a birthday. She had spent the last 34 years with me, a feat in and of itself. Brought forth two brave, brilliant and beautiful children and spent nearly 40 years in the trenches of Ecken academia as an African American woman literary theorist. She has had to spend her entire career swimming upstream as she has centered authors and genres that are often marginalized. African American literature and poetry, indigenous creators, Irish African and African diasporic writers and the like. All of them. One of her most popular courses that she created at the behest of her students was queering the literary landscape that celebrated the queer voices, particularly of women, women and of people of color that have always been here, but we usually are usually ignored. Now in retirement, she's continuing to spin and knit and is working on paper making and book binding. She's already sold a number of small bound writing journals with Quotes from queer authors. Your wife sounds incredible, by the way. Queer authors and poets on each page. And she should, because you're incredible. You guys are a power couple. She dedicated her career to guiding students to look at the world through many different eyes and experiences and to apply critical thinking skills. Should grow beyond just accepting the world as given. She had been dreading this milestone as it approached, and it would mark the end of an era of academics and scholarship. But she now embracing. She's now embracing a vision of herself not as old, but as an elder.

[Allison Gill]

Oh, I love that.

[Dana Goldberg]

What a beautiful statement. And now for some good trouble. I've been to quite a few marches and rallies since the installation of Putin's poodle. On the least three occasions since January 18, People's March in D.C. at least three more people have come up to me and asked me if I'm the Tony at the Daily Beans. It's absolutely wonderful to find Leguma knots all over the place.

[Allison Gill]

Leguma knots.

[Dana Goldberg]

I love that we are a growing army, and I believe we will prevail. I had been seriously considering going down to international pride in D.C. this June, which is World Pride. And when you suggested that I might want to go to the gay men's choir and orchestral performance to stand against any protesters, that sealed it. Oh, my God, I am in. I'll be bringing the big American and pride flags. And my favorite chant from the 2023 Transgender Day of Awareness. We're here. We're queer. We're fabulous. Don't fuck with us. Pod pet tariff. Is Ellie and the dachshund enjoying the sun? Tony, I hope one day I get to meet you and your wife, because you both sound absolutely incredible.

[C]

Incredible.

[Allison Gill]

I know. Created the course. Queering the literary landscape.

[Dana Goldberg]

I mean, come on.

[Allison Gill]

That's beautiful. Oh, wonderful. Thank you so much, Tony, and thanks to everybody. In case you didn't know, Tony's been writing in for a while. He's. He. He will show up at rallies and he has this, what, probably 20 foot long flagpole with an American flag and a pride flag, and. And it's huge, and it can be seen from anywhere at the rally. It's so recognizable that people are like, who need to meet up or like, meet me at that flag. It's because it's so. It's so. It stands out so much and it's so wonderful. So we always have been for a long time now, getting photos from Tony and his flag rallies. So we look forward to seeing him down in Bethesda for World Pride Day since it got kicked out since the Kennedy center moved it to Strathmore. So thank you so much, Tony. Thanks to everyone, everybody. If you have good news, send it to us dailybeanspod.com click on Contact. We'd love to know what you're up to. Do you have any final thoughts today?

[Dana Goldberg]

I think just again, I'm sending love to my dear friend Jill. I hope wherever you are, and I know it's somewhere ethereal that you are at peace and making music and I know that you'll always be with us. So we love you. We love you.

[Allison Gill]

She was just such a brilliant, ethereal angel here. I can't imagine her afterlife being that much of a stretch.

[Dana Goldberg]

I agree. Well said.

[Allison Gill]

All right, everybody, we'll see you tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been AG and I've been DG and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information, please Visit mswmedia.com msw media.