Marisi Vinton (14:29)

What are you guys doing?

Alison Gill (14:33)

Our good trouble comes from a video on Tick Tock from former Scadden Arps attorney Rachel Cohen.

Rachel Cohen (14:38)

Nine very large corporate law firms in the United States have entered into deals with the Trump administration where they basically promise him free legal work in exchange for him, like, not illegally coming after them. And they thought there would be no downside of this because it's a notoriously, like, esoteric industry. One of the things that was missing here was individual consequence. All of the negative attention was focused on the law firms themselves as opposed to the individual decision makers who made the decision. And so we got a hold of lists of the executive committees or like governing bodies of each of the law firms that had made deals with Donald Trump. And then we also pulled all of their board memberships at other boards or of, of like nonprofit institutions or law schools or wherever else. We put them all in a toolkit. We put them all in a spreadsheet. This is all available at Bitly Slash Bad decision makers, all lowercase. I'll make sure it's on the screen. The screen as well. We put together this spreadsheet and this toolkit that has letters that are pre filled. It's abundantly clear that law firm leaders did not think that anyone would ever go to the trouble of figuring out who each of them individually were. And some of the people who have been sending the emails have been getting back, like, truly unhinged responses, like about how upstanding these members of their board are, how lucky they are to have them. And honestly, I kind of thought that they would just auto file these straight to trash. But it turns out that partners are really, really pissed about this. So I really wouldn't want us to send a bunch more emails and I really wouldn't want you to share this video or share the toolkit with your friends because I feel so bad.

Alison Gill (15:57)

All right, everybody, we will have a link to that site in the show. Notes so feel free to click on that and send your feedback. All right, everybody, stick around after this break. I'll be speaking to a former Doge employee. You don't want to miss it. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll be right back. Hey everybody. For a long time, I didn't think food had anything to do with how I felt. But then I noticed patterns. Low energy after certain meals, mood dips, digestive issues that would pop up out of nowhere. So I finally decided to get some expert guidance. And that's where Faye came in. This podcast is sponsored by Faye, so go to feynutrition.com dailybeans to qualify to see a registered dietitian for as little as $0. Faye matches you with a dedicated dietitian who helps you understand your body's needs and how food fits into the bigger picture of your health. My D we spent an hour together. She was amazing. She just gave me an incredible plan. She helped me connect the dots between my meals and my mood and it's been a game changer so far. Even better, all of Faye's dietitians take insurance and 95% of users pay nothing for your sessions. You can check out coverage before signing up too, so there's no surprises. So whether you're managing a chronic condition, trying to figure out food sensitivities, or just want to feel better in your body, Faye gives you access to science backed support that is actually personalized. And I'm proud to work with a brand that's making nutrition less overwhelming and more accessible for everyone. So if you're ready to stop guessing and start truly fueling your body for better health, take control with personalized nutrition support from a registered dietitian through fay because you deserve to feel energized, healthy and confident in your health choices. Having a personalized nutritionist used to cost big bucks, but not with fay. Listeners of the Daily Beans can qualify to see a registered dietitian for as little as $0 by visiting Faye. Feynutrition.com DailyBeans that's FayNutrition.com DailyBeans one last time. Feynutrition.comDailyBeans all lowercase and make sure to use our URL so they know I sent you. Hey everybody, welcome back. I'm really excited today to be joined by a senior fellow at the Federation of American Scientists. She was formerly an advisor at the US Digital service, the US which became doge, the so called Department of Government Efficiency also worked with the IRS and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Been all over the place. She was also the original architect of the IRS's free tax filing service direct file. So if you've used that, you can thank her. Please welcome Marisi Venton. Hi, Marisi, how are you?

Marisi Vinton (18:31)

I'm doing great, thanks. Thanks so much for having me.

Alison Gill (18:33)

I am really excited to talk to you about this because you know my friend Anna Bauer from Lawfare and I go back and forth a lot on social media about Witoed, who is the administrator of DOGE and whomst is it, because we had these conflicting reports about it being Amy Gleason. But meanwhile, everybody, including Elon Musk, says he's in charge and in several lawsuit filings, they're trying to dance their way around it because, you know, what they want to do is put it up under the executive office of the President, avoid FOIA and, and also not be considered an executive agency so that they don't have to answer to the rules and statutes that govern executive agencies. So talk a little bit about the transition from USDS, where you worked and what you did there to Doge. Let's start there.

Marisi Vinton (19:21)

Yeah, absolutely. So U.S. digital Service was founded, you know, out of a crisis, out of healthcare.gov's collapse. And what they wanted to do was to bring in the best technical talent into government to help not just fix and restore healthcare.gov but then also apply that approach to other products and services across government. In its infancy, it was a little team that was really mostly focused on firefighting. And over the years it really grew to more, you know, a bigger team focused across different agencies across the federal government. I think what's, what's so important about the US Digital Service is that everything that that team did was put users at the heart. So if we were launching a new form or a new thing, you would always want to check with your users, often early and often, always actually to make sure that it made sense. It was something that you liked and something that, you know, because government lingo is confusing, especially taxes. And so we really designed things in a way that tried to simplify and make government more efficient. I was at the US Digital Service when we were effectively converted into doge, the US DOGE service. And we had absolutely no idea it was coming that night. So the executive order dropped. And then that night we all received invitations to meet with our new DOGE teammates. And then the next day we were brought in for interviews. All 162 U.S. digital Service. We had 15 minute interviews with Doge.

Alison Gill (20:59)

And what, what were the, what were those interviews? Like, did they feel like loyalty tests? What was the gist?

Marisi Vinton (21:05)

They did. So one of the questions was, how do you feel about doge? What, you know, what's your impression at that point? We knew nothing. You know, we, we knew absolutely nothing other than like the name of Elon Musk and Steve Davis, and we didn't know about their intent. So it was. The other questions, you know, were about, like, who's your favorite teammate? What makes you exceptional? U.S. digital Service. You mentioned, you know, kind of where it was sat. It used to be sat within the Office of Management, Management and Budget. When you sign up for a job in government, there's typically, you typically expect, like when you're going to go in for an interview with strangers, that council knows or that ethics has been informed. Like, typically you expect a process. There was no process here. You know, people were wearing temporary badges. They only provided their first names. It was very out of sorts from what you would expect joining government. And that's, you know, when it kind of became clear that they were just going to container themselves in a different bit of the White House within omb, you know, to. That's when it kind of all became clear the broader plan of not having the OMB lawyers check in on us and doing what they're doing.

Alison Gill (22:14)

Yeah. And it's kind of frightening what they ended up doing. Exfiltrating data, you know, from the Social Security Administration, you know, putting like DOGE members at every agency. But then they worked for the agency, but they didn't. It was all very, just like every move they made was to kind of escape accountability. And what was your impression about who was in charge of the new Doge service?

Marisi Vinton (22:38)

In the early days, there was, we, the U.S. doge service had no leadership. So after those interviews, there was no direction. We just told ourselves kind of where to show up and we work with our agency partners. On Valentine's Day, 43 of my teammates were fired. And that's when Doge took a stronger hand in our day to day, you know, our day to day existence inside USDs. And Amy Gleason a couple weeks later stepped in as the acting administrator. But Amy always made it pretty clear that she wasn't calling those shots. You know, we would ask at staff meetings to kind of explain. So at this point, you know, we're almost a month in and DOGE has tried to take down USAID and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and Amy Gleason, is that what we're a part of? And we were always told that it was actually kind of a separate, a separate effort that wasn't a part of what we were up to from day to day.

Alison Gill (23:39)

Hmm. So did you have any contact or know anybody who had any contact with whoever DOGE leadership was and who you understood it to be? Because from, from what we know from public reporting, I don't even think Amy Gleason knew she was in charge of.

Marisi Vinton (23:56)

DOGE during the transition. I had a call, so several teams within USDS had calls with Steve Davis. And so that seemed to be kind of some of that touch point, touch bases continued afterwards, not with me, but with other teams. The way I would think about this, Austin, is there are three different, almost teams or approaches. There's the US DOGE service, so people who still are there doing mission driven work, like working on passports and visas for the World cup or kind of what you'd expect from the old U.S. digital Service. And then there's agency teams. So somebody like Sam Corcos at Treasury and IRS had a lot of interaction with Sam. And then there's also this roaming pack and they just go from agency to agency and, you know, do fire people, you know, kind of almost raid that agency. And that's kind of my perspective and how I view these three different teams, or I wouldn't even say teams, just these three different approaches to helping DOGE achieve whatever their objectives are from day to day. And they, they try out different ones. You know, if one agency, if the one character got a different set of skills, then that person will do the riffs and the other one, the roaming one, will do the it. It seems to be just based on whatever approach is working within that agency.

Alison Gill (25:30)

Yeah, and let's talk about the IT because, you know, we've had reports, I, I had spoken to someone early on about, you know, DOGE kind of taking over the Office of Personnel Management and, you know, how their, their servers were available to the public for a minute and people were logging in as DOGE from other countries. And there were reports of boxes being installed maybe to exfiltrate our data from certain agencies up into the cloud, Azure or using Starlink. What do you know about the compartmentalization of our private data as citizens and what DOGE was attempting to do to get at it.

Marisi Vinton (26:14)

So I can only answer from my experience, which was at the irs. And so taking a step back at the US Digital Service, our operating models, we would be sent out to different agencies, you know, almost like deployed or assigned to fix a specific problem or in my case, to help launch Direct File, the free tax filing product. And so that, so that was already embedded within the irs, even though I wore this other hat at the digital service. And so my interactions were through the irs and the IRS was in a situation actually, which I'm really grateful for, which is we were under a temporary restraining order, which meant that DOGE could not access individual data within the irs. And that was due to temporary restraining order after they tried to. Well, once they were stopping the USAID payments and courts stepped in to say, this is enough, we need to sort this out. And so that temporary restraining order effectively covered the individual data, like taxpayers individual data. The way that it works inside the IRS is that data is the most special thing. The IRS holds taxpayer data, federal taxpayer information, fti. It's protected by money, multiple laws and policies, a countless number of policies inside the irs. And so it was really a relief because what they were asking for when they arrived was access to individual level data. And that would mean that you could. The systems that they were asking access to meant that I could go in and delete, delete my own tax liabilities or increase your tax liabilities. This was access that no one could has access to. Unless you're actually. It's your job to do that, right. A customer service agent, if you're giving them a call, they're allowed to do that because that is part of their job. But no one else had that level of access. So we were really lucky that, that those TROs kind of put everything in on hold. And that remains, I believe, today.

Alison Gill (28:22)

Yeah, I'm also very glad about that as a taxpayer. Yeah, um, it's, you know, kind of frightening. And then of course we have all the stories about DHS using the IRS to, after taking decades of payments from immigrants, using that to find them and deport them, betraying that trust, that promise that the IRS made to, to those migrants who generate so much revenue for us.

Marisi Vinton (28:49)

Again, this, this kind of betrayal of trust has been one of the more devastating, if not the most devastating thing that we've seen happen at the irs. Yeah, when people file their taxes, it's like the first step towards becoming a legal citizen.

Alison Gill (29:07)

What was your red line when you left?

Marisi Vinton (29:09)

So I actually left. I was, I left with my own volition. My term was running out and I found a new job. So I'm pretty lucky. I stayed for a number of reasons, mostly to make a case about direct file and try to convince DOGE that it's something that should exist. And, you know, it was just really devastating to watch the series of interactions around the dhs immigration data. Because that is, you know, that process is something that people are really proud of. When you talk to taxpayers, they're really proud that they get to participate and they get to do what they think they need to do to become a citizen. It's. It's legal migration. That's what we want. That's. That's what we've been saying we want. It is legal migration. And to. To give that data over for. For purposes for which it was not intended. That's the whole protecting taxpayer information. That's a huge betrayal. When you submit your tax return, it's a social and probably legal contract between yourself and the IRS that that's going to be used for tax purposes and, you know, not to be deported, not to, you know, so it's a total can of worms, and it's just devastating.

Alison Gill (30:23)

Yeah, no, I agree. And I think it's horrific to tell immigrants, first of all, they're being taxed without a representation because they can't vote but say, please pay your taxes, and they do. And then we use that against them. And it's gotta be devastating betrayal, you know, that, that DOGE participated in. So before I let you go, is there, is there anything you want the public to know that you saw while you were still there? Because I think, you know, we have a chance to get the word out about what's going on at Doge for that, you know, brief overlap where you, you know, were still there, but then, you know, before you left.

Marisi Vinton (31:03)

So what I saw was a group of people who, DOGE employees who really had no interest in understanding what they were getting into. They. There was absolutely no listening. There was no kind of understanding what a strategic priority was or what an outcome we were driving to, you know, should be. And it was just cutting for cut's sake. And you. There was no rationalizing or having a conversation. It was really hard to make an argument because the mindset was just about line items and it wasn't about outcomes, which is what happened. I think what happened to Direct File. This Direct File just became a line item on an Excel spreadsheet. And we would make the case, look at, look taxpayers, it is rated higher than. Than Apple, you know, and then that promoter score. And I mean, what the heck, right? And, you know, people love it. And this is what government should be doing and also making a case for how that team can help modernize the irs. All this great technical talent, and there was just no conversation or interest. And that's the concerning part, because when we're in this situation, these people have maybe a couple of years of experience at a small size. Not about age. It's, you know, but it's about understanding, like, what you're getting yourself into and that these are systems that people rely on their tax refund for lots of families. It is their biggest paycheck a year. People rely on their Social Security benefits. The federal government operates at a scale that is unmanageable for most technologists. And you need to have a backup plan. And there was no interest in understanding what the backup plans were. And there's one more point, Allison, because you brought up data. There's so much talk about the individual data, which is really important. But I also think the way I think about is all these different buckets. There's the regulatory data, so the Consumer Financial Protections Bureau data that they hold about banks. There's the Department of Transportation holds data about car safety. And sec, all these government regulatory agencies hold this proprietary information as part of the regulatory work. And now it could be that that access, that information is being viewed by people who are being regulated by those entities. So cars, you know, X wants to become a payments platform. And so there's, there's a whole lot going in there in data that I think is also really important and making, you know, a site in addition to the individual data, which is that all that, you know, effectively, that all of the regulatory information can also be accessed by DOGE employees who've not completed their background checks, who might have conflicts we're not aware of, and many conflicts that we are aware of. And so that's another thing that I'm just watching out for.

Alison Gill (33:59)

Yeah, that was pretty frightening, too, to think about that. Like, all the information about businesses, all of the evidence that anything the SEC was investigating and discovery against, perhaps something like Tesla or Twitter or SpaceX, all available to Doge at that point.

Marisi Vinton (34:16)

And the competition, it's like you can go learn about their business practices. Right. Like, it's, it's, it's a lot of information.

Alison Gill (34:23)

Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's the level, like when you, once you start thinking about it, it's. The deeper and deeper it goes, the more frightening it gets. One last thing. What can people do to protect their data? Like, I have locked down all three of my credit, you know, accounts on the three reporting agencies, and, you know, I use like, delete me to keep my private information off the Internet. But, like, what can consumers do to protect their data, do you think?

Marisi Vinton (34:49)

I mean, what you just said are great steps and Those are advanced steps, I think, even for a lot of people, starting with two factor authentication, you know, for the past, for email, for social media, that a lot of people still aren't doing that. So taking there's this kind of a spectrum of engagement here to protect yourself. And I would start with two factor on, you know, just about everything, if not everything, and then using those services that you mentioned, actually those are all the right things. And then just being smart, you know, about, about situational awareness and your own physical security, thinking about, am I? So for example, I'm selling some stuff on Facebook, Marketplace, making sure that I don't, you know, put my address out there, things like that. And, and I know that that seems like common sense, but I've caught myself saying, oh, that's, you know, a bit too obvious. And so just making sure that anything we're putting out there and what is on our, you know, our passwords and that whole spectrum is secure.

Alison Gill (35:50)

Yeah, good idea to two factor auth. Use strong passwords. Be mindful of what data you put out on the Internet. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for creating Direct File. We don't know the fate of Direct File at this point, but what an incredible service that that is to the taxpayers. I know Elizabeth Warren, who I love and cherish, was a big proponent of Direct Files. So thanks for all the work you did and best of luck in the future and hopefully we can maybe have you back on in a few months when we find out some more information on the programs that you worked on.

Marisi Vinton (36:25)

I'd love to come back. Thank you so much for having me.

Alison Gill (36:28)

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Thought I'd share a link to the substack Hopium Chronicles Simon Rosenberg that pulled me out of a very deep, dark hole of despair. After news today that Timothy Snyder and other notable academics are leaving the United States due to unmistakable echoes of the 1930s Germany and the beginnings of fascism, Simon is focused on what we can do today to move the ball forward and take our power back. He'd be a great interview and all can benefit from his Hopium. So we'll have a link to that substack in our show. Notes. Love all you do. P.S. pics of our dog Saga who left us in 2013. We found her starving on a street in Greenpoint, Brooklyn on a night in 2001 during the marathon. The vet said she was 9 months old then. Bless her, she was a skeleton at 65 pounds. That's a big dog, even a starving 65 pound weight. It's a very long story, but her top weight was 145 pounds. Let's just say she lived up to her name and will miss her every day. Can you guess her breed? 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