B (2:38)

There you go. Anyway, it's rad. Like recording with you is rad.

A (2:42)

Dude. It's tubular. You're tubular. Dana.

B (2:44)

Oh my God. So many people just signed off.

A (2:47)

I know. But what's interesting is all those words, like we didn't have the Internet. Now a lot of these are social media driven. So it's a, it's a very interesting context.

B (2:55)

And the gen before us was like this PODC podcast as swell and how and how dad gum podcasts dad gum Republicans.

A (3:07)

Oh. So anyway, we're gonna do that. We're gonna have Martha Barnett. She's fantastic. She has a new book out. You got to get it. It's called Friends with Words. And I mean, we have so much news that we have to get to. I am sick to death about State Representative Nicole Collier. We're going to talk about her. She's been doing dispatches from the state House. She's locked in there. It's insane by Republicans in this redistricting effort. So we're going to talk about that and then of course we're going to get to the good news. So why don't we kick it all off with the hot notes. Hot notes. All right, first up from cbs, Democratic state Rep. Nicole Collier from Fort Worth returned to the Texas Capitol on Monday, but says she remains locked inside because she wouldn't sign a permission slip to be under escort by the Texas Department of Public Safety. The escorts for all House Democrats who left the state earlier this month preventing a vote on the GOP led redistricting effort are meant as a guarantee that they will return to the house by 10am Wednesday for the next special session. CBS News Texas spoke with Collier via Zoom on Monday and she said the situation is wrong, just like the new congressional maps that she and other Democrats have tried to block from being passed. Quote, I have a right to resist, I have a right to oppose, just like my voters do, just like Texans have a right to challenge government. And that's what I'm doing. I'm challenging these decisions that are being made. I don't agree with them. That's what she said. She went on to say all the Democrats will be working together to get that legal record set so that we can take this fight to court. Now, initially, Collier was being forced to stay in the House chamber, but was later allowed to go to her office in the Capitol. Representative Jean Wu, House Democratic Caucus Chair, said that their efforts to block the potential five Republican leaning seats have now moved into the second phase, the legal phase. On Monday evening, the House Select Committee on Congressional Redistricting approved new maps along party lines by a 12 to 8 margin. The legislation goes to the full House, which could vote on the maps as early as Wednesday. The Texas Senate Redistricting committee approved the maps last Sunday and the full Senate will take them up sometime this week.

B (5:14)

It'll be interesting to see if they pull out of all this because of what California's got their finger on the trigger ready to do. So we'll find out. This one's also from cbs. Trump is working to coordinate a meeting between Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which would be the first face to face interaction between the two leaders since Russia invaded Ukraine. Not since the war started. Since Russia invaded Ukraine more than three years ago. Uh huh. Asked about arranging the meeting on Tuesday, Trump sat on Fox and Friends that he would let Putin and Zelensky meet first before getting involved himself, saying they haven't been exactly best friends. Oh, my God, I hope President Putin is going to be good. And if he's not, that's going to be a rough situation. This is the fucking President of the United States. He noted that he's hopeful Zelensky will, and I quote, do what he has to do, saying he has to show some flexibility. He was fucking invaded and they're holding Russia in a way that they never thought the world never thought would happen. Okay. Budapest, Hungary. Now, this is among the locations being considered for possible meeting between Zelenskyy and Putin. This is from a source with knowledge of the planning. That's what they told CBS News. Hungary has expressed its openness and willingness to host the talks, as have a handful of other countries. Well, Politico first reported that Budapest was under consideration to host the talks. Attention is now turned to a possible summit between Putin and Zelensky. All of this attention after Monday's meetings. Trump said he placed a call to Putin during a meeting with world leaders to set it up and he, quote, picked it up very happily. That would be the call from Trump despite the late hour in Russia. That's what Donald called a very good call. Well, last time he didn't he just call someone something he got impeached for. A very good call.

A (7:10)

The perfect call, right?

B (7:11)

A perfect call. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Monday that the U.S. will work with European and other allies to provide security guarantees for Ukraine after the war, although he did not provide specifics. And Macron said discussions on what the US Is willing to provide could begin as soon as Tuesday. Marjorie. Taylor Greene warns Trump against agreeing to give security guarantees to Ukraine as he presses for a peace deal. I don't know why the fuck she's a deciding factor in this. But apparently they still listen to her.

A (7:44)

She's very important, Dana.

B (7:48)

I guess she just bangs that gavel.

A (7:51)

That's what she'll just bring her gavel and be like, listen, bang, bang, bang, bang.

B (7:54)

You know, the gavels the least of what she's banging. But anyway, next door. Hey.

A (8:00)

Oh, all right.

B (8:01)

Next gym, bathroom.

A (8:04)

Also from CBS News. Yeah. Laura Loomer hates her. They're fighting big time right now.

B (8:08)

That's such a joy to watch.

A (8:09)

It is. That's like the bag of rats, right? You love to see it. All right. So this also comes from cbs. Several New York physicians are speaking out against what they say are inhumane conditions at an immigration holding facility in lower Manhattan. Monday, physicians from the nonprofit New York Doctors Coalition tried to get into 26 Federal Plaza requesting access to assess conditions on the 10th floor. That's where the doctors say U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement has an overcrowded and unsanitary holding facility for detained immigrants. The Department of Homeland Security calls it a processing center. Yeah. You're being processed here for three weeks with no food or water and have next to a poopy toilet and sleeping on the concrete floor with your children with the lights on 24. 7. That's their processing center. And that we've seen this in court, too, right? A court was like these, you have to stop doing this. You have to let doctors in. You have to make sure they have two meals a day. They have to be given showers, et cetera. Because we know last month the video released by the New York Immigration Coalition and verified by CBS showed conditions, the real conditions on the 10th floor, although it was unclear when the footage was taken. But the person taking the video was heard saying, look how they have us here like dogs.

B (9:21)

Awful.

A (9:23)

So these doctors were just turned away by security. I'm hoping they go back and get a court order.

B (9:27)

I hope so, too. This next story is from the Times. The measles outbreak in West Texas that hospitalized nearly 100 and killed two young children. Apparently it's officially over. This is from state health officials. That's what they announced in a news release Monday. Officials declare an outbreak over after no new cases have been reported for 42 days. That's because a lot of them have moved into the state of New Mexico.

A (9:51)

Yeah.

B (9:52)

Yep. For local officials in Texas, Monday's announcement is bittersweet. The outbreak did not appear to end as a result of large groups of local residents getting measles, mumps or rubella shot. This is from Dr. Phil Huang. He's the director of the Dallas County Health Department. Instead, it seemed that the virus had ripped through the community, sickening hundreds until it just ran out of vulnerable people to infect. Yeah, I guess they're calling that herd immunity. Uh huh. I doubt it. The Southwest outbreak has served as an alarming case study of what may become more common as Trump administration moves to pull funding from local health departments, legitimize health misinformation and dismantle international safeguards. It also disabused many public health experts of the hope that living through a deadly measles outbreak would change public perceptions about the importance of vaccination. While Dr. Wells thought it might have convinced some parents who were on the fence about getting their children vaccinated, she actually thought the outbreak may have had the opposite effect for the firm believers because it infected what it needed to and then moved on.

A (10:57)

Hundreds were sick, two died.

B (10:59)

Yeah, that's not enough.

A (11:01)

I guess that's okay for as long as they don't have to get a vaccine. So zero people die and zero people are infected. Unbelievable. All right, from cbs. Republican state legislators. Republican state legislators have filed an emergency petition with the California Supreme Court to put a Democratic led mid decade redistricting effort on hold. Filed Tuesday by the Dylan Law Group. That's Hermet Dylan. Right. Our quote, unquote civil rights DOJ person for white people. Civil rights for white people. Anyway, the Dylan Law Group and a number of California Republican lawmakers filed this. It's a petition that challenges what they say is an attempt by the Democratic control legislature to bypass the 30 day public review period for such measures mandated by the state constitution. Quote, I believe Democrats, independents and Republicans want a voice on who represents them. Yeah, that's Republican State Senator Tony Strickland of Huntington Beach. He said that Tuesday at a press conference announcing the petition. This is for Proposition 50, by the way. It would redraw five of California's nine current GOP districts so Democrats can win them. And that's offsetting Texas's plan. Newsom wants a system where it's predetermined who wins an election. No, Mr. Strickland, that's what Greg Abbott wants. Okay. Newsom's office responded to the petition on Tuesday saying they were not surprised or worried. Quote, republicans are filing a deeply unserious and truly laughable lawsuit to stop Americans from voting. That's what a spokesperson for Newsom's office said. Their comms team is killing it, by the way.

B (12:39)

Yeah, they are.

A (12:40)

Now the bill is scheduled to be heard in committees through Wednesday. That's today with a possible full vote by the California Legislature needing to happen by Thursday. And it has to happen by Thursday because California Secretary of State gave Thursday as the deadline to get the initiative on the November 4th special election ballot. And so it's interesting that our deadline is Thursday and that Texas might pass their bill on Wednesday to approve their maps. So it's a time thing right now. Now, also, check out this clip. There was a press conference. It was really sad. I watched it.

B (13:13)

With these Republicans and.

A (13:15)

The people from the Dylan law firm who were petitioning the Supreme Court in California. They're the ones saying, hey, you got to have a 30 day open comment period. Here's my open comment. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. But anyway, check out this clip from this very sad Republican presser. We need to promote what we have.

C (13:31)

Not throw it out.

A (13:32)

And when Gavin Newsom says, you know, I want to fight fire with fire, first of all, I'm offended by that, especially with the recent fires that we had. It's really insensitive for him to say that. That's number one. Number two, he's not saving democracy. What he's doing is throwing out democracy. Oh, my God. Okay. Where do we even start?

B (13:53)

I can't. We're actually trying to fight fascism with democracy is what we're trying to do.

A (13:59)

He fired with. I'm very offended by him. By Gavin Newsom using the word fire.

B (14:05)

Yeah. Not using fire with, you know, regard to, let's say, shootings like fire with fire. That. No, it's because California's had wildfires. I'm very offended by this.

A (14:15)

And because of Republicans, I'm offended we haven't gotten our money to help in.

B (14:19)

Our disaster relief for the fires. Yeah, there's that. How about that? How about them apples?

A (14:23)

Yeah, how do you like them apples, sir? And then. Oh, you know, does want to take away the voice of the voters? No. What Texas is doing does that. They aren't asking the voters shit. We want to put it on the ballot so that the voters have a say. We are seeking consent of the voters here in California because that's what we do.

B (14:40)

And Democrats know more about consent than Republicans, according to every fucking news story I've seen on consent.

A (14:47)

Fire. Right. So, you know, that's anyway, just ridiculous. It was like a Jacob Wool, Jack Bergman press conference. So terrible. It was so terrible. Anyway, I'm really excited about this and I hope that if Texas goes forward and passes their maps on Wednesday, I hope we get ours done by Thursday. Here. Yeah.

B (15:08)

All Right. This one's in the news of foreign agents. This is from Politico. Oh, the Director of National Intelligence. That's Tulsi Gabbard. Yep. She revoked the security clearances of 37 former intelligence officials. The Trump administration's latest move against Obama era officials whom the White House accuses of undermining the Trump administration. I can't believe we are living in this fucking world right now. In a memo she posted Tuesday on social media, Gabbard directed the heads of several national security agencies to immediately revoke the clearances of the officials at the direction of the President, alleging they politicized or weaponized intelligence for personal or partisan gain. I mean, the nerve. Several of the officials targeted worked in senior roles for the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Defense Department, and the National Security Council. That includes several intelligence officials who advised then Vice President Joe Biden and some officials who worked on review of possible Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. I don't know why they say possible. It has been proven by several nonpartisan committees that Russia meddled in the 2016 election.

A (16:18)

It was even proven by a Republican committee.

B (16:21)

Yep.

A (16:21)

Dudes, like it's now. I looked at the list. You're not going to recognize most of these names. I don't recognize most of these names. I think the only name I recognized was Sam Vinograd on this list of 37 people. Andy McCabe and I are going to discuss this in a lot more detail on this weekend's episode of Unjustified. So tune in for that. We'll have more information as it happens. Next up, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee ranking member Robert Garcia said that the plan for the Department of Justice to respond in batches to the committee's subpoena for Epstein files amounts to a cover up. Batches. We don't need no stinking batches.

B (16:58)

No fucking release at unredacted. Let's go.

A (17:01)

Quote, releasing the Epstein files in batches just continues. This White House cover up. That's what Garcia said in a statement Tuesday. The American people will not accept anything short of the full unredacted Epstein files, Correct? That is correct. Garcia's statement came as the clock struck noon on Tuesday, which was the deadline for the DOJ to turn over all of the documents and communications relating to the Epstein files pursuant to an oversight panel subpoenaed issued earlier this month and signed by Jim Comer. Quote, in a bipartisan vote, the committee demanded compliance, complete compliance with our subpoena. That's what Garcia said in a statement. Handpicked partial productions are wholly insufficient and potentially misleading, especially after Attorney General Pam Bondi bragged about having the entirety of the Epstein files on her desk just months ago. Now, Comer issued the subpoena to the DOJ pursuant to a Democratic led motion. See, that's the thing. It's it. I don't like Democratic led motion.

B (17:57)

Yeah. Unless we're actually talking about democracy and voting on something like how democracy actually works, the democratic process.

A (18:05)

Because Comer is the chair of this committee and it is run by Republicans. Pursuant to a motion in subcommittee in July to seek the full unredacted Epstein files, which passed with support from three Republicans on the panel. There you go. In that same subcommittee meeting, Republicans offered a successful motion to subpoena a swath of former federal officials in the Epstein probe, including Clinton, Hillary and Bill, several former attorneys general and FBI directors, including Jim Comey. The first of those depositions occurred Monday when former Attorney General Bill Barr, who held the job in President Trump's first term, spoke to the panel and whose.

B (18:45)

Father had a school that hired Epstein at To teach math with no experience. But please continue.

A (18:53)

Weird. Right? Now, Comer told reporters on Monday that Bill Barr testified that he didn't know of any information that would implicate Trump. Now, that's a very specific statement because that's not exactly what he said. He said he doesn't know of anything. He said he didn't see anything that would implicate Trump in Epstein's crimes. That's a very specific legal statement because Epstein's crimes are two that he pled guilty to of prostitution in that sweetheart deal. So even if Bill Barr saw a video of Donald Trump raping a minor, he would still be legally correct in saying he didn't see anything that implicated Trump in Epstein's crimes. Right. Okay. Now, Comer told reporters Monday that Bill Barr testified that he didn't know any information. Okay, so that's. We already know that. Now, Garcia, though, said bar during his deposition, quote, could not clear President Trump of wrongdoing, calling on Comer to release the full, unedited transcript of Barr's deposition to the public. So either Comer's lying or Bill Barr misled with fancy legal words, which he normally does. He does that all the time. What do you mean, suggest that President Trump open it?

B (20:06)

I'm grappling with the words. Suggest.

A (20:09)

Dude, grapples with. Grapple these balls, man. I'm tired of you. Anyway, he's. So we have a disagreement on material fact here because Garcia says Barr couldn't clear Trump, and Comer says Barr cleared Trump from participating in Epstein's crimes. So clearly, the way to resolve this is to release the full, unedited transcript of Barr's deposition to the public, which is what he's calling for. I don't think we'll get it, but that's what's going on. Yeah.

B (20:38)

All right, thanks, Ag. This one's from the Daily Beast. At least Stefanik of New York was drowned out by relentless booze while she spoke at the memorial event on Monday. Protesters heckled the Republican lawmaker at a ceremony in honor of John Zurlo. And that's a Clinton county clerk in Plattsburgh who died at the age of 86 in December. Republicans have been booed at town halls and other events in recent months as people protest Trump's policies and the administration. Issues that have caused anger among constituents include Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill act, which affects Medicaid and veterans health care. One person could be heard shouting at Stefanik and I quote, unseal the Epstein files, echoing the ongoing backlash against the Trump administration's handling of files associated with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Thank you for not calling him. What did they call him? Like, a businessman and all these other things?

A (21:31)

Financier.

B (21:32)

Financier. Thank you for whoever wrote this and called him a convicted sex offender. Now, others shouted traitor and go home. That's according to some news reports. Some attendees yelled out Nazi. Stefanik later returned to the stage to finish her speech, but was again met by booze.

A (21:48)

She got booed twice off the stage. Yeah.

B (21:51)

Mavis Agnew, one of the protesters, told NBC 5, and I quote, Elise has not shown up in our district for months and months. She won't hold a town hall. She won't take questions. She's never in her office. So this was the first appearance, the first opportunity we had to let her know we're unhappy. And, boy howdy, going back to that generation, did they.

A (22:11)

They sure did. And. And again, this was at a memorial event. And so, of course, Republicans are like, how dare you disrespect the memory of, you know, whatever. And. And that's why this protester, Mavis, was like, she never comes here. We. The only way we can talk to her and let her know how we feel is when she makes these public appearances. So good on them. I say nice. All right, everybody, the good trouble today is going to be up first in the good news. But coming up after this quick break, we were going to talk to Martha Barnett from away with words. And we're going to talk about, you know, stuff like skibidi and tradwife and all sorts of other interesting slang terms that have now made their way into the dictionary. So stick around. We'll be right back after these messages.

B (22:54)

We'll be right back.

A (22:56)

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C (25:01)

Hey, it's great to be back. Great to see you, ag.

A (25:04)

Good to see you. I was so happy to run into you at Dana Goldberg's show at the Diversionary Theater.

C (25:08)

Oh, my God. Did she crush it or not? Oh, my God.

A (25:12)

She always crushes it.

C (25:15)

My cheeks are still sore from laughing, I swear.

A (25:18)

Yes, it is side splitting. And it was such an honor to be asked by her to introduce her. So it was so wonderful to be there and to get to see her comedy. So I'm glad she came down to San Diego. I hope she comes back again soon.

C (25:31)

Yeah, for sure.

A (25:32)

And I wanted to talk to you today about the influence of social media and the Internet on language, because we know especially the influence of TikTok is pretty big and we've seen all sorts of skibidi d, Lulu, tradwife. You know, I use all sorts of terms that I've never used before because of social media. And so I think this is fascinating and I wanted to ask you about it.

C (26:01)

Yeah, for sure. And you know what's really interesting is that the Cambridge Dictionary, which is the dictionary that's put out by Cambridge University Press in Oxford. Yeah. I mean, in England, has just published a list of its new additions to the dictionary every few years, every. Every few months, dictionaries will tell you about some of the words that they've added to the dictionary. And Cambridge has added some 6,000 words to the dictionary in just in the last year. And some of them are words that you just mentioned, like delulu, which fascinates me that it's now made it into a dictionary because it started out in K pop forums, you know, where people were talking about their fandom of Korean pop singers. And people started making fun of people in the forums who were DeLulu. That is, they were delusional about their parasocial relationship with the singers. Like they were. They were absolutely convinced that, you know, somehow or other this singer or that singer was going to discover them and be in a relationship with them. And so delulu has made its way into the dictionary, and the definition there is believing things that are not real or true, usually because you choose to. You know, that's interesting, isn't it? Isn't that kind of a word for our times?

A (27:38)

I Think so. I was delulu when I was younger because I was certain Robert Smith was looking right at me when I was at the CARE concert. I was certain of it because he and I were going to be married and everything was going to be wonderful after that. I love Delulu. I also use Menti B a lot, which is short for mental breakdown. Yeah.

C (28:00)

And that's a nice euphemism. Right? It's sort of a nice shorthand way to talk about that. And speaking of Delulu, we can't leave Delulu without talking about the Prime Minister of Australia, of course, Anthony Albanese, who criticized his rival's energy and economic plans by saying he was talking about how they would require cuts to public services and it just wasn't a good idea. And the Prime Minister of Australia earlier this year said that his opposition was Delulu with no Solulu.

A (28:33)

Oh, as in no solutions.

C (28:36)

Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I mean, people are just endlessly creative with language. And this is one of the wonderful things, things about monitoring language like this and seeing these little linguistic snapshots that pop up like that.

A (28:50)

Something I got really into for a little while right around the time of the. I think the movie, it wasn't the Hangover. It was the one with Jonah Hill and Mike, Sarah and McLovin. Super bad because everything ended in IES. Like something was funsies. Or if somebody said something and I agreed, I said samesies. I feed my cat softies. Like everything ends in ies. That was a little interesting word trick that people were doing for that caught on for a little while there. But let's talk about some other stuff that's ended up in the Cambridge dictionary here. Let's talk about mouse jiggler. What?

C (29:33)

Yeah, I had to look that one up myself because I did not know what a mouse jiggler was. You can let your imagination run wild, of course, but a mouse jiggler is a device or a piece of software that makes it seem like you're still at work. If you're working remotely, it can either virtually move your cursor so that your. Your computer doesn't shut off and it looks like you're working when you're not. So that's. That's a mouse jiggler.

A (29:59)

Right. You can stay in green mode on messenger, for example.

C (30:03)

Exactly, exactly.

A (30:04)

Or your computer doesn't go into sleep mode because there's action going on. And it does that for you.

C (30:10)

It jiggles your mouth.

A (30:12)

Now something else. Yeah.

B (30:13)

And.

A (30:14)

And honestly, I mean, we can tie this and I can tie this into politics a million ways.

B (30:17)

Of course.

A (30:17)

Because, you know, all of these return to office orders in the federal government.

C (30:21)

Yes.

A (30:22)

With all sorts of false accusations against our amazing federal government workforce. Also, we can talk about trad wife, which we know as traditional wifery.

B (30:33)

Right.

A (30:35)

I. That is not the same Z's for me. I am very not a trad wife.

C (30:40)

Right.

A (30:41)

But that is another term. Right. That is, that is making it in. Into the dictionary.

C (30:45)

Yeah, yeah. I'm not a trad wife and neither is my wife. But a trad wife, according to the dictionary, is a married woman, especially one who posts on social media, who stays at home doing cooking and cleaning and has children that she takes care of. And of course, it's a portmanteau word. It's a blend of two words, traditional and wife. And there are plenty of people who are embracing that, particularly in Gen Z. One of the, one of the sample sentences in the dictionary is Gen Z is watching a lot of trad wife content. Yeah.

A (31:18)

And I'll tell you what, if that's your, if that's your gig, more power to you as part of feminism. If that's, if that's how you want to express your womanhood, go get it. But to, but the political idea to force it upon others or to look down upon others who are not trad wives, I think is kind of part of being one of these content creator tradwives.

C (31:42)

Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, I mean, I love watching Mad Men on tv, but kind of, kind of the vibe. Otherwise it's not my jam.

A (31:51)

No.

B (31:51)

Yeah.

A (31:52)

When people are like, oh, I wish I could go back and live in the 60s, I'm like, go ahead, I'll stay right here. Like, you know, if you've ever. Listeners, if you've ever seen Mad Men, that's how it was. Like, that's how it was not that long ago they would chase you around the office and try to reveal what color underwear you were wearing.

C (32:11)

Right, right.

A (32:12)

In the office. Yeah.

C (32:13)

I have a friend who couldn't get a credit card, you know, because on her own, because she wasn't married to a man and she had, she couldn't wear pantsuits to the office. And I've told her again and again, it's a great show, you gotta watch it. And she's like, I'm too traumatized. I couldn't watch it.

A (32:33)

Now let me ask you this. What does it take to get a word in the dictionary? Is it just like, if something goes viral, it becomes common vernacular? Does it have to have a certain Amount of followers or likes or shares. What is the process like and who does it? Is it a person who says, I nominate this, or is there a board that's like, we've heard a lot of trad wife recently. We should put this in the thing. Like how does it. Because it, I'm assuming there's a process.

C (33:00)

Oh yeah, Ag, that's a great question because actually it is super, super hard to get a word in the dictionary. I mean, your chances of, of winning the lottery or being struck by lightning or maybe being struck by lightning while you're winning the lottery or the other way around, that's probably more likely than getting a word in the dictionary because you can have the best, most creative, wonderful word that you've come up with. And, and I hear this all the.

A (33:26)

Time, you know, how do I get.

C (33:27)

A word in the dictionary? This word is really great, but it's really, really hard to do because there are professional dictionary editors, lexicographers, who are constantly monitoring the Internet, monitoring, monitoring publications, monitoring speech, and they are looking for evidence, if they don't have evidence that a word is used really frequently or it's unobtrusive and it's just sort of finding its way into the language. Like a word like doom scrolling, you know, I mean, we just all started doom scrolling during COVID right? And it just sort of naturally found its way into the language. And you don't even think about that word. Right. It's just unobtrusive. But you also have to look at how diverse the usage is. I mean, if it's in a really, really, really small group, like, you know, an obscure name that scientists use, that's not going to find its way into the dictionary. And the concept also has to be enduring, you know, like, like mansplain. I think that's going to be around for quite a while because it's such a useful, enduring concept. But the one that really surprises me actually is skibidi, you know, which you mentioned earlier, that one has found its way into the Cambridge dictionary. And I wasn't really sure that that would happen. I mean, do you use that in the daily life?

A (34:53)

I do not. But I am 51.

C (34:56)

True, true. If you were around middle schoolers or kids in elementary school, you would probably hear this word all the time. But the fact is that those of us who are over 50 are familiar with this word, more or less, right? Because we've heard it talked about and we've heard it used in different contexts, even if we don't, don't use it ourselves. And I think when slang migrates outside of a group, then it becomes less cool, you know, And I'm kind of surprised that, that it's still making the rounds. Although, you know, it goes back to this computer animation, this little series that this guy in his 20s did of the skibidi toilet, you know, which was, which were these Skibidi toilets. They, they had little human heads sticking up out of the bowl and they went to war with these weird humanoid robot like creatures. And there was a whole series about this and that caught on the Skibidi toilet. And it, you know, it. If you watch a little bit of that series, as I did, I mean, it makes very little sense. There's a lot of movement. Movement, a lot of, a lot of noise. And it's just kind of, kind of crazy. But, but I think that's part of the appeal for younger kids. And I think, you know, we've always had some kind of brain rot, you know, growing up. I mean, I don't, I, I looked up jive turkey in the, in the Cambridge dictionary because I thought, you know, that was something that, that we used when I was growing up. That's not in there. And I'm kind of surprised that skimity wormed its way in there.

A (36:35)

Interesting. Yeah. When it was, when I was young, it was things like radical and tubular to the max and.

C (36:41)

Right, right.

A (36:42)

And stuff like that. A lot of the valley girl speak that came out of me with a spoon came out of San Fernando, the beautiful San Fernando Valley in Southern California. If you had brain one in that huge melon that sits on your shoulders, that is Ghostbusters 2 he Bill Murray speaking to the Vigo. Anyway, a lot of that stuff, kind of. And we did it without the Internet.

C (37:11)

Right, right.

A (37:14)

So how does the dictionary, do people submit the words? Did somebody write in and say, make trad wife, put trad wife in the dictionary, or do they monitor and see what bubbles up to the surface and then decide from that, or does somebody actually have to submit it?

C (37:30)

Well, some of both. I mean, certainly, you know, the lexicographers have their radar on all the time. They're reading so much content and watching so much content. I mean, they're really looking around, seeing how people are using language and how language changes. For example, they were watching prep. They were watching TikTok. And youngsters were talking about preppy meaning not what we thought of as preppy growing up. You know, conservative dress. Preppy now to younger kids means sort of pink and girly. Isn't that amazing?

A (38:07)

Oh, that is interesting.

C (38:09)

Yeah. How the word has changed. You look at TikTok for Kids, and Preppy is all about pink.

A (38:16)

Now, that was a whole group in high school. We had the jocks, the preps.

C (38:21)

Right.

A (38:22)

The nerds, the goths, the Hessians.

C (38:26)

Right, Hessians. Yeah, yeah. And the Greasers. Sometimes they were called the Greasers.

A (38:31)

We didn't have. I'm a little young for that, Martha, but I have seen Greece.

C (38:37)

Okay, all right.

A (38:39)

Which came out in the 70s, but, yeah, it was about them. Like Happy Days.

B (38:42)

Right.

C (38:43)

Yeah, yeah.

A (38:44)

A show about the 50s in the 70s.

C (38:46)

Right. But to your point, I mean, people do sometimes submit words that they think lexicographers should be watching. Like, for example, Quit Talk, which is like, you know, like TikTok, only it's quit Talk, which is a bunch of people are now posting Quit Talk videos of themselves quitting their jobs or talking about why they just quit their jobs. There's also conscious quitting, which is when you quit a job because the workplace just doesn't fit with your values. People are talking about conscious quitting, and those haven't made it into the dictionary yet. But it's something that lexicographers are evaluating. And you can actually go to the Cambridge Dictionary's website and look those up and vote for them. And you can see the results of, you know, if people are saying that. Oh, yeah, people are starting to use this. I've heard it a bunch. Or, you know, I've heard of Quiet Quitting. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

A (39:44)

People keep their jobs but just don't do them.

C (39:46)

Exactly, exactly. They do a lot of mouse jiggling right during that time.

A (39:51)

Quiet Quitter's Mouse Jiggle, for sure.

C (39:55)

There's your episode title right there.

A (39:58)

Yeah, it's not a mouthful or anything. Anyway, it's always wonderful to talk to you and to look at what's going on with language. So I really appreciate you joining me today, and again, it was great to see you on Friday and meet your wife and everybody. You need to grab a copy of Friends with Words Adventures in Language Land. It's out now. Buy 10 copies. Go put them around in your little libraries around your neighborhood all year long. Martha. I buy just books and books, and I've got a closet full of them. I wrap them at the holidays and I just give them out. Whatever they are, I know they're gonna be good. And so I think that that's. Friends with Words would be really, really great for that particular purpose. So I appreciate you joining me today. Let everybody know where they can find and follow you. We know where we can hear Away with Words, but there other places. Yeah.

C (40:43)

Well, you can find out a lot at my website, which is MarthaBarnett.com that's Martha Barnett with an e on the end. And you can go check out our show@waywardradio.org and I'm all over the usual social media under my name.

A (41:00)

Cool. And if you have a question about a word, you can send it in to Away with Words at Wayward Radio. And, and they. I love listening to those listener questions or people calling in and saying I heard this. And then you try to be like, well, where are you from and what region of the country do you live in and where did you see it first? And it's just, it's a super fascinating show. I love all that. So we really appreciate you coming on and joining us today.

C (41:26)

Thank you so much, Dr. Gill.

A (41:28)

No problem. You can call me Allison. Only Republican men have to call me doctor.

C (41:32)

Okay. I thought maybe it was just on Fridays, you know, that you were called Dr. Gill.

A (41:37)

That's the. Nope, Just. Just Republican men. That's it. That's the rule.

C (41:40)

Okay, cool.

A (41:41)

Yeah. All right, everybody, please stick around. We're going to be right back with the good news. You don't want to miss it. All right everybody, welcome back. It's time for the good news. Who likes good news?

B (41:50)

Everyone.

A (41:51)

Then good news, everyone. Good news. Good news. And if you have any good news confessions. Corrections, pronunciation corrections like Chincoteague, which I think we didn't say right yesterday, anything like that. If you have a shout out to a loved one, a small business in your area, great community organizing, a non profit that you'd like to shine a light on, maybe your small business, a government program that's helped you or a loved one, any kind of great shout out, any little bit of good news that's happened to you in the last zillion years. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday, doesn't matter if you were and you enjoyed carrying your brand new strawberry shortcake lunchbox to the bus stop on Whittlesea Drive in Akron, anything like that, you can send that into us@dailybeadspod.com click on Contact. And to get your stuff right on the air, you just gotta pay your pod pet tariff, which means attach a photo of your pet. If you don't have a pet, you can send an adoptable pet in your area. We'll see if we can find him a home. We're pretty good at it. If you don't have that really just grab any random animal photo off the Internet. We especially love baby animals, otters, pandas, black and white or red out of secretary birds, capybaras, baby capybaras, being friends with chickens, Anything really send it to us. And also anything counts like for happy place photos, your garden or baby pictures, family photos, awkward family photos. Anyway, send it to us dailybeanspot.com click on contact. First step. This is our good trouble. What are you guys doing? And we're making this the full good trouble today.

B (43:30)

Oh my gosh.

A (43:31)

This is from Chris A. I have nominated Dana for the out 100 list. Here is the nomination message that I sent. Quote, I am proud to nominate Dana Goldberg for the out 100 list in recognition of her unwavering commitment to LGBTQ advocacy, her fearless political voice, and her powerful impact as a comedian and commentator. Dana has long used her platform to champion equality, amplify marginalized voices, and call out injustice with razor sharp witnesses and unflinching honesty. As a co host of the Daily Beans podcast, she brings clarity, humor and truth to the chaos of American politics, especially in the face of rising authoritarianism and attacks on civil rights. Her commentary is not just entertaining, it's a rallying cry for resistance and progress. Beyond her voice, Dana has put her values into action. Through her work with organizations like the Human Rights Campaign and countless benefit performances, she has helped raise millions of dollars for LGBTQ causes, hiv, AIDS research and progressive political candidates. Her tireless fundraising and advocacy have directly supported the fight for equality and justice across the country. In a time when truth tellers are more vital than ever, Dana Goldberg stands out as a bold, brilliant force for good. She embodies the spirit of the out 100. Resilient, unapologetic, and deeply committed to making the world better for all of us. I have also included pics of my newborn nephew, my sister, who just graduated and now has a job as a nurse and works as a cosmetologist part time. And a bird watching picture from my recent trip to Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

B (45:05)

Chris, how you doing?

A (45:07)

Dana, I'm crying.

B (45:16)

Oh man, it's all true. Thank you. I also just wanted to emphasize that the listeners, if you know people in your community and that you want to nominate under the link that we put in the show notes yesterday, please feel free. It doesn't have to be me, but Chris, I'm. I feel like you wrote my new bio for me.

A (45:39)

That's a good. Like I wish I had that when.

B (45:41)

I introduced you up on Friday night. Oh shit. I Don't know what to say, but I am very deeply grateful. So thank you. Oh, I can't see this. I gotta read a script. People can't see my computer.

A (45:52)

Well, take a look at the baby picture first.

B (45:56)

Ah, the baby.

A (45:57)

Yeah. And then I think that's a picture of Trump Burgers, which, by the way, that guy has been detained by ice.

B (46:04)

Oh, my God, that's amazing.

A (46:05)

The owner of Trump Burgers. I think he's being deported because he overstayed his visa. I'll look into that.

B (46:12)

But oh, my God.

A (46:13)

Anyway. And look at this.

B (46:14)

Your sister's beautiful, Chris.

A (46:15)

I know, right?

B (46:16)

My gosh, Wonderful. Thank you for that. And thank you for. Even if I don't. Even if I don't get on the list, I can't even tell you what that just meant to me to read that. So. Makes the hard days easier. Okay, this is from Jenn E. Pronoun. She and her. First off, a little six degrees of separation from you two. For dg, I was born in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And as for ag, I went to nau. Anyway, for my good news submission, I just wanted to share a fun month long activity I got to do with my rescue dog, Kels. I work at Oregon State University, and the animal science department is doing a study on the impact of smelling for dogs and if increasing its activity will decrease a dog's cortisol levels. Yeah, this was a fun activity to do with my dog. And even though we've had her for almost 10 years, I got to learn a little bit more about her through this study, and we'll be implementing these activities into her new daily routines. For my pod pet tax, I've included a photo of Kels with her certificate of completion of this activity. She's a rescue, so I'll give you a chance to guess her breed.

A (47:20)

Oh, my goodness, she's adorable.

B (47:23)

Definitely golden in there, right?

A (47:25)

But there's something with, like, perky ears.

B (47:28)

Yeah.

A (47:29)

I don't know. So cute. She's adorable.

B (47:34)

Oh, there's actual answer.

A (47:35)

Oh. All right, let's see. We've never had a DNA test, but kava shell or cavalier spaniel?

B (47:42)

There's not. Golden retriever Dana.

A (47:44)

Oops.

B (47:45)

That's why I do advocacy and not dog guess guessing.

A (47:51)

Somebody needs to raise a bunch of money so you can get better at dog guessing. I've also included a photo of all our fur babies. Heather as Sheltie and our new acquisition after the passing of my father a little over a year ago. And Mary from Lord of the Rings is our Rescue cat. Wonderful. Thank you for that. Next up from Pat, no pronouns. Oh, my God.

B (48:12)

This kitty cat.

A (48:13)

Okay, happy to hear today's good news about Assateague asset. I thought it was Chincoteague National Seashore. Oh, and the Chincoteague. Oh, Chincoteague.

B (48:26)

Chincoteague. I was definitely not correct there.

A (48:29)

The Chincoteague pony swim. I live on the island and I volunteered with the event for several years. This was the 100th anniversary and the crowds were enormous and just happy to be here. While the voters here are historically conservative and sadly, many are now macaque, we have been having very visible rallies at the end of the bridge to protest the orange man's damaging orders. We have many federal workers, migrant workers, and of course, national seashore, which may soon be gone with the 8 to 12 foot waves breaking on the beach from hurricane Erin. It may be gone forever since this administration cut all funding for lifeguards, and I doubt they'll rebuild as they have in the past. You are my morning source of news and hope. Thank you. Podpet taxes. My foster may right before surgery to remove her eye. She's now ready for adopt Island Kitties rescue on Chincoteague. So we will have a link. And if you've ever wanted a totally beautiful gray tabby, one eyed kitten, you are in luck, especially if you're in the Chincoteague area. So thank you, Pat.

B (49:30)

Thank you indeed. All right. This is from Josh B. Pronounce he him. I own the Play It Again sports in Roswell, Georgia. Josh, I love that you do. I love the Play It Again sports in Albuquerque. His name's John. I don't know if you know him. He's an amazing guy. Anyway, I want to shout out. My store and other play it Agains across the country, we buy and sell used sporting goods. It keeps equipment out of landfills, helps people get quality gear for less. And of note, currently avoid tariff costs. You can also tell me the breed of my pod pet, Ozzy, because we don't know what this mud is. And Josh, I gotta tell you, I got my first set of golf clubs that have played again and I still have them. Yeah, if you have a play it Again in your city, definitely go there for you. A lot of the lesbians listene like happy hour. It is an fantastic place to go, especially youth sports. If you're a parent and you're like, oh, my God, I got to get sporting equipment for my kid. It's so expensive. Go to Play it Again. It's like new everything there. And I'm not, I'm not even BSing because I didn't know this was going to come in. I love played again. Sports.

A (50:33)

Yeah, yeah, they're absolutely fantastic. I've been a ton of like, when I was growing up, I wanted to play soccer. All the shin guards and the, the little net and the soccer, but that was all like too expensive for us. So we went to play it again and got all that stuff for a really good deal. And what a good point that it avoids the tariff increase. Now this dog is beautiful. I have no idea. I like his eyebrows. He's an eyebrow hound.

B (50:59)

I love it. And this one again is specifically in Roswell, Georgia. So if you're in the area, go support Josh.

A (51:04)

Heck yeah. All right, next up from Anonymous. Hi Beans, Queens News with swearing is the only news I can stomach these days. I so appreciate both the content and delivery and I'm a proud Patreon supporter. Thank you. Anonymous I work at the CDC and the lingering silence from our leadership is painful. So I wanted to turn up the volume and give a shout out to the dedicated public health workforce who were the target of the terrorist attack on August 8th. We are all very much not okay. I see you all busting your ass to keep people alive, only to become the bullseye for people radicalized by politicians who decided that science was scarier than extremism. So here's to you, my colleagues, still showing up, still standing up, and still holding a moral line. You're the backbone, they're the infection. Hold the line. And to the officer who was killed, you deserved better than to die defending a system that couldn't even bother to defend its own people. I hope the history books accurately reflect that you died as a hero defending us all from fascism for my tariff. I hope you'll accept this link instead and encourage your listeners to check it out. DOGE fucked up firing a bunch of savvy comms and policy folks and they're fighting back. So go to firedbutfighting.org Very cool. Anonymous thank you for that and well said.

B (52:24)

Oh my goodness. Oh Ag. This photo. This is from Anne. No pronouns given. Hi AG and DG. This is a shout out out to USAFacts.org that's the site USAFacts.org, which lately has been quick to share data that disputes the lives of Donald's Donald face trump that ones that he's been spewing. Today's email was about the actual murder rate in cities across the U.S. i recommend this site to the Leguminati. It was created by former Microsoft executive Steve Ballmer, and I first learned of it when he was interviewed by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show. It's just the facts and the data to support them. Podpet tariff. My foster dog, Jade. She's a bit of a howler. Look at this cute little hound on.

A (53:08)

She looks really suspicious of me.

B (53:10)

Oh my gosh, she's cute.

A (53:12)

Thank you, Anne. All right, next up, Anonymous pronoun She and her hi, wonderful podcasters. I got this idea off Resistance Kitty. They are wake up notes. I write them out as I'm checking out Bluesky, substack and Reddit. I'm obsessive about recycling and I cut up old envelopes and use them for the notes. I keep them in my bag and my car and when I think of it, I slip them onto shelves in all types of stores. But I prefer leaving them in stores in red areas of Minnesota. Just one or two per aisle. Not too many. I'm including my Podpet tax Pearl. She has a glorious coat and a major purr engine. She grew up in a barn in Lanesboro, Minnesota. She loves the purple pillow on my husband's chair and the kitchen table. She's a good kitty and has caught mice on our farmhouse. Can you guess her breed? So here's these notes, an idea from Resistance Kitty. Wake up notes and you leave them in stores. Trump is a cheater. He cheats on his wives. He cheats at golf. Now he's trying to cheat Americans out of their votes. So stuff like this, okay, so stuff that you pick up on social media, you just leave those notes around town. I love it. Anonymous.

B (54:18)

Me too. This is great.

A (54:20)

Okay, this kitty is.

B (54:23)

I mean, I only know a few and it looks like it's a calico, but not as orange as I'm used to.

A (54:28)

Yeah, so she's a calico by color, but I'm not sure what her breed is. Let's see, let's scroll. Let's watch. Calico and Russian Blue.

B (54:36)

All right, look at me getting half of that.

A (54:37)

You've got half a cat.

B (54:38)

I got a half a kitty.

A (54:40)

That is impressive.

B (54:41)

We have another side eye dog in this next image.

A (54:44)

It's side eye dog day on.

B (54:46)

All right, this is from Anonymous. Pronouns he and him. No idea where this fits in, but after the election, I completely lost interest in Beltway news, which has always been so close to me. I always loved esoteric bits of politics and long form journalism. The rising tide of authoritarianism drew me back into everything and this podcast, by simple coincidence, was one of the first political pods I began to follow and now is how I start every day. I just recently started to use my voice on X Twitter because I want to. Literally. That's what it says. Spitz twice. Because I wanted to run into the fire, not away from it. My experience has been overall rewarding. Thank you all so much. From a small blue collar lib guy in Texas, I've attached a pic of my pup, the Babs who crossed the rainbow bridge a few years back but walks with me always. Thanks again and God bless. Anonymous. Thank you for such a sweet submission and welcome. I'm glad you're here.

A (55:42)

Yes, hello. The dog is adorable.

B (55:45)

I know.

A (55:46)

I love the side eye puppies. All right, our last submission is from Mary. No pronouns given. Mary says laguma.

B (55:54)

Ladies.

A (55:54)

I've attached a bit of a beauty from my garden, plus a bit of resistance spotted in a parking lot in lieu of pod pet tax. Keep up the cussing. Love you and all MSW media does for everything that you do during these trying times. It helps us so much. Big hugs.

B (56:11)

Nice.

A (56:11)

Great photos. Great resistance photos. Thank you so much for that, Mary and thanks to everybody for all your side eye dogs and your wonderful stories. If you have any good news you want to send into us, send it to us@dailybeanspod.com and click on contact. Any final thoughts today, my friend?

B (56:30)

Just a thank you and thank you to the listeners for reminding me, and specifically Chris, a why I do what I do. Even on the days where I'm like, am I screaming into a void? Is this really affecting anyone? Is still doing my purpose of bringing joy. And so thank you for the affirmation today. You have no idea what it just meant for me.

A (56:50)

Love it. Love it so much. I was. It was an honor to read. Thanks AG everybody. I'm about to start a new video podcast. It's going to be a weekly video podcast where I because you have so much time on your hands, I've been told I have to do video and I hate video. But I'm going to do it. I won't be wearing makeup because I refuse to pay the glam tax that women have to pay in this business. So you just gonna have to deal with my face. But I'm gonna do video. It's gonna be weekly and you know, I mean, I write what we cover 60, 75 headlines a week on across three different podcasts. Yeah, I'm gonna wrap it all up for you.

B (57:27)

That's amazing.

A (57:28)

On a weekly basis. Every single headline that we cover. I'm even gonna tell you what percentage of the headlines were good news for the week. So we can just look back and judge our weeks by the percentage of good news headlines. They'll be swearing and video and so all you got to do is go to our YouTube channel and subscribe to our daily beans YouTube channel MSW Media YouTube channel, same thing. I'll also be putting it on my substack which is free to subscribe to melisserote.com so if you want to subscribe so you can be updated about when that show starts. Music again they Might Be Giants. Very excited about that, that collaboration. I've been working on this for a while, so I look forward to finally bringing it out to the forefront for everybody to be able to watch. And we'll be back in your ears tomorrow. So until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health and take care of your family. I've been ag. I've been DG and them's the Beans. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information please visit mswmedia.com msw media.