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Tuesday, July 22nd, 2025 Today, Trump removes the Wall Street Journal from his Scotland trip press pool; Donald’s second favorite island and another list; the new VA budget pushes to privatize healthcare for veterans; administration officials have been accused of defying about a third of the court orders against them; ICE agents are harassing the courthouse volunteers who assist besieged immigrants; more than 200 Venezuelans disappeared to a megaprison in El Salvador returned home and they’re telling their stories; Fox News’ Jesse Watters was forced into an embarrassing walk-back over his claims about Gavin Newsom; we finally know how much Martin Shkreli’s Wu-Tang album cost; and Allison and Dana deliver the good news.
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Alison Gill
MSW Media hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Tuesday, July 22, 2025. Today, Donald Trump removes the Wall Street Journal from his Scotland trip. Press pool, Donald's second favorite island. And another list, the new VA budget pushes to privatize health care for veterans. Administration officials have been accused of defying about a third of the court orders against them. ICE agents are harassing the courthouse volunteers who assist besieged immigrants. More than 200 Venezuelans disappeared to a mega prison in El Salvador, returned home, and they're telling their stories. Fox News. Jesse Waters was forced into an embarrassing walk back over his claims about Gavin Newsom. And we finally know how much Martin Shkreli's Wu Tang album cost. I'm Alison Gill.
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Dana Goldberg
And I'm Dana Goldberg.
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Alison Gill
Hey, my friend. Wu Tang Clan forever. How are you?
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Dana Goldberg
I'm good. I'm good. How are you?
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Alison Gill
I'm all right. I'm all right. It was a busy weekend.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah.
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Alison Gill
A lot of exclusive scoops for the Daily Beans. I'm super proud of us, so I'm proud of you.
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Dana Goldberg
And I just realized it's Monday. I got so confused. I'm traveling for work, but I brought my rig with me so that we could record. And when you said, happy Monday, it was a busy weekend, I was like, what are you talking about? It's still the weekend. It is not still the weekend. It is Monday as we record this.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, it could be Thursday. I don't even know anymore. But I do have some good news. Later in the show, I'll be speaking with a New York Times opinion columnist and author of the book Hate Monger, Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White Nationalist Agenda. Her name is Jean Guerrero, and we're going to be talking a little bit about what she had written and that has come to pass. Her book Hate Monger came out in 2020.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, boy.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. So it's still very relevant. Also, President Donald Trump and his appointees have been accused of flouting courts in a third of more than 160 lawsuits against the administration in which a judge has issued a substantive ruling. And that's a Washington Post analysis that found that. And that suggests obviously widespread non compliance with America's legal system. So a third of the court orders he's just ignoring and we. Nobody can do anything about it.
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Dana Goldberg
Nope.
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Alison Gill
Because, you know, I mean, I guess judges could find him in contempt, but that takes a really long time. And then the only people who can execute that contempt are the Department of Justice and the marshals who answer to Pam Bondi. So that's just where we are.
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Dana Goldberg
All right. And the White House, the press secretary, Caroline Ledat, said the Wall Street Journal has been removed from the press pool covering President Donald Trump's Scotland trip because of the paper story about his sexually suggestive birthday letter. Trump allegedly once gave Jeffrey Epstein. And you sent me the funniest blue sky post that you did because he went judge shopping in Florida hoping to get Eileen Cannon and got an Obama appointee in that lawsuit.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, yeah. We cover that in depth, by the way, on tomorrow's cleanup on aisle 45. But yeah, that oops.
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Dana Goldberg
So good.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, that is good.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh my God, we do have stuff. I just want to, if I can just thanks the listeners. If you're in the San Diego area, I announced my show a week ago. The 7pm show sold out in four days. Hopefully there's some beans in there. And I know there's other fan base, but hopefully some beans got in there. And Stephanie Miller listeners. So we opened up a 9pm show in San Diego on August 15th. So definitely go to my website, danagoldberg.com hit appearances. It is going to be now the first probably event after you hear this because my gig tonight will go off my calendar. But make sure you get tickets to the 9pm show, which is often quite rowdy because people have had some cocktails or mocktails and it's late and, you know, might get a little more edgy than normal. The other thing I wanted to thank, you know, on this podcast we we had that series of Hallelujah verses that you all sent in. I don't know why I had the desire to do this and sort of troll Epstein and Trump on my Instagram, but I did two verses of Hallelujah that have gone pretty viral. But I realized I never even asked you to share them. So I don't even know if some of you know that they're there on my Instagram, which is DG comedy. You'll really enjoy them. If you want to share them, I would love that. But it's been fun. It's been fun to do it. I can see why you all submitted so many to us when we asked about it. It's just nice creative outlet to have.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, that was a. By the way, if you're new to the Daily Beans, we change up the good news games every once in a while. And that was one for a while is to send in your parody verse for the song Hallelujah, which I love from Jeff Buckley's Grace, but was made.
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Dana Goldberg
Popular by one of my favorite Shrek it's one of my favorite songs of all time.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, that album is brilliant. I think Lover your Should have Come over is like one of the best songs ever written. Best opening line of any song easily. So if you haven't heard Lover your Should have Come over by Jeff Buckley, you should check it out. Listen to. Great. So it's a great record. All right, everybody, we have a lot of news to get to, including some music news at the end. We did sports yesterday. Now we're going to do music. Look at us. We're branching out. But first we have a lot of stories. So let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right, first up, and this is some really great reporting. And it comes from a high school journalism person. He wants to, like, get into journalism. His name is Zach Kahn and he has a substack. You can find it at zachcon.substack.com@z a C H K A H N And he's got some great reporting. Zach says. GUAM It's a U.S. territory in Micronesia. 168,000 people call home. A World War II battleground in the western Pacific. An island known for its warm climate, beautiful beaches, and rich chamorro culture. But it turns out Guam is also a paradise for the Republican Party. Fact the Republican Party of Guam had one donor in 2023 who gave $48. One. Fact number two, the Republican Party of Guam had 193 donors who gave $1.93 million in.
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Dana Goldberg
Interesting.
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Alison Gill
So in 2024, 193 people donated $10,000 each to a political party located 6,000 miles away from the United States on an island that can't vote for president. So what's going on here? Why do these people donate to the GOP in Guam? As you probably guessed, it's not because they wanted a GOP majority on a remote island. On February 14, 2024, Jamie McCourt, former LA Dodger CEO, high profile divorcee and Trump mega fundraiser, donated $10,000 to the Republican Party in Guam. McCor Interesting character. Check out a podcast and there's a link in his sub stack to this podcast. McCourt was the first of 193 donations of $10,000 to the Republican Party of Guam in 2024. 10,000 is the max that you can that a single person can donate to a state party. All of the 193 donors, including McCourt, donated to GOP Guam through the Trump 47 Committee, Inc. A joint fundraising committee. Knowing that there was some other reason why 193 people donated $10,000 to the Republican Party of Guam. I followed the money, and I found that 98% of the money that was donated to the GOP Guam was transferred to the RNC.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, wow.
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Alison Gill
This is technically legal because unlimited transfers between political party committees is allowed. That's right. Almost all of the money that was supposed to go to the Republican Party of Guam went right back to the RNC instead. Wait, but why didn't they just donate that money directly to the RNC in the first place? Zack asks. I love this kid.
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Dana Goldberg
Me too.
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Alison Gill
Well, it turns out that all of the people who donated to the Republican Party of Guam had already reached the legal contribution limit to the RNC.
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Dana Goldberg
Ah.
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Alison Gill
So, essentially, through this loophole, 193 donors were able to funnel an additional $10,000 each to benefit the RNC. That's $1.93 million they were not supposed to give. Now, legal or not, it's pretty obvious that this isn't right. Donation limits on national parties like the DNC and RNC are necessary because they prevent wealthy donors from exerting influence over national parties, which shape policies and impact the lives of Americans. Without donation limits, anyone with enough money can buy influence over either party's policies and candidates. And Dana, Zach brought the receipts.
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Dana Goldberg
Atta boy.
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Alison Gill
He's got charts. He's got lists. Full lists of all of the cabinet members and Trump appointees that used this workaround. List of ambassadors that made this donation that Trump appointed. A list of Kennedy center board member appointees.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, wow.
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Alison Gill
A bunch of crypto Trump crypto investors. A list of random zillionaires. A bunch of oil barons. You have to check out his reporting again. It's Zach Khan. Substack.com that's Z A C, H, K A H, N. This young man is doing better reporting than a lot of our corporate media friends.
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Dana Goldberg
Seriously, Nice work, Zach. All right, this one's from Mother Jones. On Friday, Maria Daniela learned that her younger brother, Nero Alvaretto Borges, and more than 200 other Venezuelans sent by Trump administration to El Salvador were being released after spending more than four months in an infamous prison. Now it's done. That's what Maria Daniela said in a call from Venezuela. She said, now we can say we are done with this nightmare. Alvarado's case, which Mother Jones reported in March, was emblematic of the cruelty of the Trump administration's decision to send hundreds of Venezuelans to Salvadoran President Nayib Buqueles. Centro de Confinamiento de Torres which is sicote, which. I'll never say that again. I'm sorry. I butchered it. That prison. Like many others, Alvarado, who worked as a baker in the Dallas area, appears to have been targeted simply because he was a Venezuelan man with tattoos. It did not matter that his most prominent tattoo was an autism awareness ribbon adorned with the name of his teenage brother. The Venezuelans were released as part of a prisoner swap dealing, including 10Americans. The Venezuelan government has been reported to imprison foreign nationals to gain diplomatic leverage. The exchange comes after previous deal being negotiated fell through. And despite the Trump administration's insistence in court and in public statements that it did not have the power to compel El Salvador to return the removed migrants to the United States. Court records show that Bukele's government told the United nations the men were under the authority of the United contradicting what the White House had claimed. Shocking. Now, a relative shared a video of Venezuelan broadcaster Telesur featuring his brother. That's Arturo Suarez on the plane after it landed near Caracas. And I quote, we spent four months without any contact with the outside world. This is from Suarez. That's what he said. We were kidnapped. He went on to say, we got a beating for breakfast, we got a beating for lunch, and we got a beating for dinner. For some relatives, the news of the men's return to Venezuela evoked much mixed feelings. Maria Cuevedo, the mother of Eddie Adolfo Hurtado Cuevedo, told Mother Jones she was feeling relieved but still scared. She said, happy because God gave me the gift of seeing my son free on my birthday. Scared because my son is going to Venezuela where he was threatened by the paramilitary group Colectivos. All of these people are still in danger. That's why they were seeking asylum in the United States. Dozens of Venezuelans sent a C code had pending asylum applications in the U. S. Immigration courts. When they were removed, in some instances, their cases have been dismissed by immigration judges. They could now be vulnerable, potential harm and persecution back in Venezuela. So it is just cruelty. These are not criminals. Many of them have never been convicted of a crime. And this was just some sort of a. A money switch between us and the Venezuelan government so that they could fill some beds in Seacoat. That's what it looks like.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And I have to wonder if this wasn't the plan the whole time, I.
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Dana Goldberg
Would not be surprised.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. All right, Next up from Military.com while the recent headlines have been dominated by the passage of Trump's big ugly bill and its impacts on Medicaid and food assistance. Something critical is happening that every veteran and every American who honors their service needs to know. On the surface, the new Department of Veterans affairs budget proposal from the Trump administration and House Republicans looks generous. It increases total VA health care funding. However, nearly 75% of all new medical care funding is not going to the VA system at all. Instead, it's being shifted to outside private providers. I told you. I told you. I told everybody this was going to Happen. This includes $14.4 billion in an increase in funding for community care, a 67% jump from last year. And there has been no clear explanation for why this massive increase is necessary. I tell you why they're doing it. It's so that they can funnel your tax dollars away from veterans into the private health care system and their donors.
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Dana Goldberg
Gross.
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Alison Gill
Community care was created. Now, this is a little bit of a incorrect statement, but the Military.com says community care was created during the Obama administration and expanded during the first Trump administration. Dana, that is not correct. The community care program's been going on at the VA for decades. If you couldn't get something done at the va, you were allowed to go out to a partner private doctor who we had a contract with, that you could get your care. I worked at the va. I worked in community care. It had been going on far before the Choice act came out in 2014. But anyway, if a veteran lives in a rural area and faces long wait times or needs care at the VA that they cannot provide, they should be able to get help from a provider in their community. That's something I have long supported. But what is happening now is something very different. We are watching the slow dismantling of the VA from the inside out, buried in a budget document. If left unchecked, this will fundamentally weaken the VA system that millions of veterans rely on. This is not just bad policy, it's also unnecessary. In 2024, veteran trust in VA healthcare reached a record 92%. Veterans are increasingly choosing the VA for their health care needs, not because they're forced to, but because they trust the care they receive. Study after study after study shows that the VA outpatient care is as good or better than care in the private sector, especially when it comes to mental health and chronic conditions, because VA doctors treat those every day. That kind of expertise and continuity cannot be replaced by for profit networks that do not speak the same language. This is. This was expected. I expected this. This was in Project 2025.
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Dana Goldberg
Yep.
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Alison Gill
That they want to privatize the VA and that's looks like what they're doing with his budget. So I'm heartbroken.
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Dana Goldberg
I saw a meme that Trump has accomplished 40% of what's in Project 2025 already and it's only been six months. Yeah, there's a tracker out there, 40%. I knew nothing about it. Anyway, this one's also from Mother Jones. Mother Jones is putting out some good reporting the recent nationwide phenomenon of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Of course, that's ice. Those agents showing up at federal courthouses to arrest undocumented people after their immigration hearings has inspired an outpouring of volunteers who come to observe the hearings and assist the immigrants and their families. ICE personnel in Sacramento, California clearly aren't happy about this. Volunteers say agents there have been obstructing their work and harassing them even though court hearings are open to the public under federal law and the First Amendment. And I quote, they have been taking photos of our volunteers and have made threatening comments. This is from Autumn Gonzalez, a volunteer with a non profit norcal Resist. People have been pushed, shoved. Officers have locked people in an elevator and pushed all the buttons. There's very open hostility from the ICE agents toward people who are just community volunteers trying to make sure that nobody disappears and gets lost in the system without anyone knowing. On June 12, volunteer Morgan Murphy was escorted immigrants into an elevator at the Sacramento courthouse when two ICE agents got in with them, rode with them down to the lobby, then before they could get out, proceeded to push every single elevator button and say, we'll just go for a little ride. The federal agents also have been photographing them, escorting families, volunteers said, and sometimes threatening to use facial recognition tech to identify them, which the view as another intimidation tactic. One of the agents from the elevator incident, Phipps said, has even been sexually harassing her. She now asked colleagues to escort her to her car. At the end of the day, she says, it's sexualized, flirtatious, unwarranted attention that I do not like and I will turn my back when that agent is around and it's just non stop. In another troubling incident about a week after the I Love Leader ride, two female volunteers were escorting a man from his hearing when more than a dozen plain clothed ICE officers swooped in, pulling up their masks, of course, to hide their faces and forcefully snatch the man out of the grasp of the women. This is from Robin Epley, an opinion contributor for the Sacramento Bee, who witnessed that encounter. The agent shoved the volunteers to the ground and against the wall, leaving them with bruises and welts on their arms, she said. I find myself struggling to describe just how terrible this situation truly was. More recently, there's, quote, no loitering signs have appeared in courthouse hallways, further discouraging volunteers who say agents have sometimes physically blocked them from interacting with the immigrants who show up for a hearing. Limited access is just one way the Trump administration has tried to shield itself from accountability. While pursuing its mass deportations. The officers arrested immigrants out in the community now routinely wear masks and sunglasses to hide their faces.
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Alison Gill
Yeah.
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Dana Goldberg
God, yeah.
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Alison Gill
Just people trying to help these folks out and they're shoving them to the ground and sexually harassing them and pushing all the elevator buttons. Like these guys. Fuck em.
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Dana Goldberg
Seriously. And it's not just guys. I've seen women working for ICE as well. If you're working for this organization and you're holding these things. Things and you're in. I don't. You should be. I'm sure there's some good ICE agents, but the ones that are not speaking out and the ones that are just going with this, I don't know, I just. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, sorry about that. When I say guys, I just mean everybody. That's my. Yeah, I need. I've been trying to work on that because I know it's pretty binary. All right, everybody, it's time for a little schadenfreude. All right? From the independent. Fox News host Jesse Waters reluctantly apologized to Gavin Newsom amid their escalating legal battle during Thursday's episode of his show. The host walked back accusations that the governor lied about a phone call with Trump during an anti ICE protest in Los Angeles. Quote, he didn't deceive anybody on purpose. So I'm sorry. He wasn't lying. He was just confusing and unclear. Next time, Governor, why don't you say what you mean? That's what Jesse Waters said. They always have to do that.
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Dana Goldberg
You just, you.
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Alison Gill
I'm sorry, you said it wrong. Like, fuck you, dude.
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Dana Goldberg
Just Jesse Waters about to get his ass suit off.
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Alison Gill
He. He is there. Last month, Newsom filed that $787 million defamation suit against Waters and Fox News, accusing the primetime guy of misleadingly editing a video of Trump to support his claim. So after filing the lawsuit on June 28th in Delaware court, Newsom's lawyers said they would drop the case if the governor received a retraction and a formal on air apology. But after Waters apology and I put apology in quotes, Newsom showed little signs of remorse or backing down. Quote, discovery will be fun. He said to the LA Times See you in court, buddy.
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Dana Goldberg
Love it. Right?
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Alison Gill
Like, I'm sorry, if you're gonna give me one of those backhanded DV abuser narcissistic apologies.
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Dana Goldberg
Yep.
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Alison Gill
No, you can't be like, oh, you said it wrong. You should be more clear.
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Dana Goldberg
Sorry.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, you.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah. Keep on going, Gavin. This one's from Gizmodo. The saga of Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. The one of a kind Wu Tang Clan album that Martin Farmaboy Shkreli. Is that how he says his last name? Yeah. Bought for approximately $2 million in 2015. Well, that saga continues. The album, the contents of which have always been a highly guarded secret, was seized by the US government in 2018 after Farmer Boy was convicted of securities fraud for years, it was reported that the government had sold the album directly to Pleaser Dao, a crypto collective that specializes in NFTs. However, Bloomberg now reports that this wasn't the case. According to new FOIA documents, the government actually sold the album off to another company before Pleaser Dao acquired it in 2021. Bloomberg sued the Justice Department for more information on the heavily redacted case, and the government has finally revealed the buyer's identity. WTC Endeavors Limited, which was set up for the express purpose of purchasing the album in 2020, was incorporated in Hong Kong. The company was dissolved some two years after the album was purchased by the pleaser Dao in 2023. Bloomberg writes that WTC Endeavors purchased the album from the US government for $2.2 million, which was the amount that. I can't. This is Shkreli. Yeah, his last name's Shkreli. He just sounds like a little creep. Shkreli owed the government at the time. Now, Pleaser Dao then subsequently procured the album through crypto payments equivalent to $4 million. The DOJ made it clear to my FOIA attorney that Pleaser Dao wasn't connected in any way to the corporate entity of the individual who purchased the album. Okay. Shkreli subsequently became the face of the pharmaceutical industry's sociopathic price gouging and has been notorious ever since. He went to prison, by the way, for securities fraud in 2018. A thoroughly ridiculous individual, Shkreli subsequently managed to seduce a journalist while in prison. And I'm telling you, this guy's skeevy. He seduced a journalist who left her husband for him. Since getting out of prison, Shkreli and the journalist. Oh, shocking. They've parted ways. I wonder if they feel used. And Shkreli's now thoroughly entrenched in the cryptocurrency community, which is probably where he belonged all along. Creepy, swarmy little punk.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, fuck that guy. Well, now we know. Now we know. $2.238 million. All right, everybody, it's time for some good trouble.
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Jean Guerrero
What are you guys doing?
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Dana Goldberg
Getting in trouble.
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Alison Gill
All right. This comes from AltSpaceForce. NASA and her beloved caretakers have issued the NASA Voyager Declaration, a letter of formal dissent as defined in NASA procedural requirement 7120.5 F. They join the NIH and the EPA in voicing their clear objection to the illegal and immoral objectives of the Trump administration. It says in part the letter. Interim Administrator Duffy, we urge you not to implement the harmful cuts proposed by this administration as they are not in the best interest of NASA. We wish to preserve NASA's vital mission as authorized and appropriated by Congress. We look forward to working alongside you and all of NASA leadership to continue that mission. Quote, to explore the unknown in air and space, innovate for the benefit of humanity and inspire the world through discovery. You can read the whole letter and add your name using the link in the show notes. So thank you very much. That is the Voyager Declaration from Alt Space Force. And I love this. I love this so much. So that is your good trouble today, should you choose to accept it. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk to Gene Guerrero and then we're going to have the good news. Stay with us after these messages.
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Dana Goldberg
We'll be right back.
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Alison Gill
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Jean Guerrero
Hi, Alison. Good to be here. I'm doing all right. Thanks.
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Alison Gill
No problem. I hate to ask people how they're doing these days. All right, you know, question.
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Jean Guerrero
No, I know, I know.
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Dana Goldberg
I feel you.
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Jean Guerrero
I feel you on that.
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Alison Gill
It's pretty loaded these days. We actually started this back in, I don't know, 2019 when we first had Mary Trump on the show. She's like, just stop asking me how I am. And ever since then, it's kind of been a loaded question. So let's talk first about, because, you know, we know we've talked long and in detail about Stephen Miller and his influence at the White House, particularly when it comes to the Department of homeland security and ICE and the mass deportation effort as outlined in Project 2025 and ongoing now. But this comes as no surprise to a lot of us, and especially a lot of us who read your book back in 2020. Talk about how, you know, first of all, what prompted you to write it and its pertinence and its prescience today?
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Jean Guerrero
Yeah, so I was an immigration reporter for kpbs, the NPR and PBS affiliate in San Diego, and I was reporting on the human consequences of the first Trump administration's immigration policies. And I became interested in Stephen Miller because I kept hearing this narrative out of the White House that their crackdown was about law and order. This is the narrative that they kept putting out, that they were targeting criminals, that the families that they were separating at the border, they were separating them because they were breaking the law. And I kept speaking with parents and doing stories about parents who had been separated from their children after presenting legally at ports of entry, who had not broken any laws. You know, they had simply requested asylum at a port of entry with their children's documents, and they were being torn apart from children as young as 1 years old, 1 year old. So this motivated me to try to understand, if this is not about law and order, which clearly it is not, what is it about? And I knew that to find out, I had to understand the architect of these policies.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And recent polling has shown, and we've seen that when you ask people about deportations, most people are for it until you say, what if they aren't criminals? What if they aren't? What if they're your neighbor? I remember Jelani Cobb going on all in with Chris Hayes and saying, the fundamental civic unit in our nation is neighborhood. And he compared it going back to the Civil War, and people thought that everyone who was against them rounding up the slaves that were wanting to be free at the time were actually abolitionists. And he's like, no, it was just anybody. People were really, really upset when they found out that these were their neighbors and their friends and people in their communities that weren't like these criminals that Donald Trump and Stephen Miller had promised to sort of get rid of. And we saw that. And you reported on it in the first Trump term when we talked about the tender age facilities and minors being forced to represent themselves in immigration court. And we're seeing it again now. And the polling is tanking.
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Jean Guerrero
Exactly. Because most Americans do not have the appetite for suffering of ordinary people that Stephen Miller appears to have. And this is why you saw the public outcry during the first administration to the family separation policy, once people started to understand, see the images, hear the audio of what was really happening, which forced the Trump administration to stop the policy. And I think we're beginning to see, you know, early signs of an outcry to the mass deportations that we're seeing, which are a new form of family separation. You know, they're taking fathers, mothers, sons from their families. Many cases. They've been here for years and decades. They have homes here they have jobs here, they have friends, family members, and they're being torn apart. And I think most Americans, once they realize who these people who are being targeted are, are really turned off by it. And we're seeing even Trump supporters coming out and saying, you know, this is not what I voted for. I thought that the administration was going to be targeting serious criminals. And part of that is just the effectiveness of the propaganda, the way that Miller and are able to work together to create an image of millions of immigrant gang members running wild in the streets. But that simply does not exist. And people are starting to understand.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And in order to make these horrible quotas that Stephen Miller has put on ice, 3,000 arrests a day, they're having to go into our neighborhoods and farms and, you know, arrest workers and families and things like that, and people aren't having it. And along with the prescience of the book Hate Monger, which again, came out in 2020, which everybody should pick up, if you haven't read it yet, you recently penned an opinion guest essay for the New York Times about how the protests in Los Angeles could break Trump's deportation machine. Again, very prescient, because as we have seen, the polling is really starting to turn on these policies. And only, I think, half of the National Guard now has been pulled back. But it's being pulled back. Right?
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Jean Guerrero
Exactly. And it's because of the power of these images and the power of the human story, which the administration understands and has weaponized for so many years. You know, they created an office called the Victims of Immigration Crime Enforcement where they center the human story. But it's around Americans who've had family members killed or assaulted by immigrants in this country, which creates the false perception that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than people born in this country, which research shows the exact opposite is true. But now the human story is being wielded as a form of resistance, where family members of people who are being detained, neighbors, co workers, they're pulling out their smartphones and they are recording the reality of who ICE is targeting. And these are not, you know, gang members. They're not serious criminals. They're people who are trying to work to put food on the table for their family members. They're people who, you know, are beloved by Americans and in some cases, even Trump supporters. And these images show suffering. They show people being picked up from the streets in front of their children and out of their homes. You see their. Their daughters, their sons crying, begging ICE to let their parents go. And what this is doing is it's because these images, these videos are going viral on social media, and they're destabilizing the narrative coming out of the White House, which is that they are targeting serious criminals. And that is what Trump depends on, is for people to continue to believe that. And a recent survey showed that a majority of Americans, not just Trump supporters, but a majority of Americans, still believed that the administration was prioritizing serious criminals with its ICE operations. But now I think people are starting to see the truth through these videos, which form a kind of destabilization of that narrative.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, and along with destabilization, that kind of journalism, that kind of citizen journalism, also creates a permission structure for more people to stand up and show up. Like at the no Kings rally, for example. I mean, here in San Diego, the central focus was this mass deportation of our neighbors and our community members. That was kind of the number one, you know, sort of issue and complaint that people were having. And, you know, we saw it in movements like MeToo and the George Floyd protests, and, you know, people getting their phones out of their pockets and recording what's going on to, first of all, counteract the disinformation and misinformation coming from people like Stephen Miller and the Trump White House, but also to, you know, create that permission to destabilize, like you said, what their propaganda is, but to create a permission structure for other people to do the same thing and join in.
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Jean Guerrero
Yeah, it inspires resistance, because in these videos, not only do you see valued community members being separated from their families, being kidnapped and disappeared, you also see neighbors, family members, friends resisting, putting their bodies on the line to try to protect these people. And that is something that, you know, humans are fundamentally mimetic creatures. And when we see other people being courageous in this way, we are much more likely to feel inspired to do the same. And so I think these videos are creating a real problem for the administration because it's impossible to squash and it's impossible to manipulate. And, yes, we do have echo chambers where it's a lot harder for someone who doesn't want to see this footage to see it. But I do believe it's the most effective way to penetrate those echo chambers. And you might have someone receive one of these videos through text message, through direct message from. From a friend who wants them to see what's happening.
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Alison Gill
And.
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Jean Guerrero
And it. And it is the most likely. It is the most powerful way to change hearts and minds is. Is to show people a human story. And. And the administration knows this, and this is why they have, like the. The Victims of Immigration Crime Enforcement Office. It's, it's dedicated to uplifting these human stories that manipulate people's perceptions of reality. And it's why Stephen Miller, for so many years, has not only on social media, uplifted these stories of immigrants committing crimes and being criminals, but also inserted them into Trump's speeches, these extremely gory, visceral anecdotes of immigrants that. That portray them as. As bloodthirsty and as. As violent.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And that's kind of where the class situation comes in, too, because now they're trying to, in order to keep these stories from coming out, suppress things like the media, the corporate media, firing Stephen Colbert, suppressing the arts, taking over the board of the Kennedy center, defunding the National Indominity Arts to funding KPBS through the defunding of NPR and pbs, for example, and, you know, buying up social media platforms like Elon Musk did over on Twitter. So control the narrative. Isolate us so that we don't see these. These things. But at some point, and I think we see this happening, and you imply this in your recent guest essay, which we'll have a link to in the show Notes today over at the New York Times, is that eventually it's going to penetrate through the echo chambers because it comes to where you live. I mean, when we had our Buona Forcheta restaurant rated here a couple blocks from me in San Diego, I think that that opened the eyes of a lot of people who didn't necessarily hear or they weren't getting the messages out from, you know, wherever they tend to get their news. But eventually this is going to come to your front door, whether you're on Blue sky or not.
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Jean Guerrero
Exactly. And this is why you see people who voted for Trump, in some cases questioning their decision because they have friends or, you know, their classmates, their student's classmate's parent, or somebody down the street that they really loved being taken away. And they're like, this is not what I voted for. This is not what I thought was going to happen. And so I do believe that this is going to change. It is slowly changing public perception.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. And so before I let you go, where do we go from here? I mean, you know, obviously you keep writing your essays or do you have another book that you're going to work on? You know, what comes next and what comes next for us? I mean, I do see a lot of groups, like, for example, when you talk about schools, just local groups of people in parent teacher organizations getting together and Forcing a school district administration or a school board to come up with a policy about what to do when ICE shows up at their schools, and they're getting those policies in their hands, so the people are doing it. And so what are some other things that people can do? Where do we go from here to continue this? I mean, it seems to be snowballing, and we want it to keep doing that. We want to keep bringing this more attention than it. Than it gets the day before.
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Jean Guerrero
Yeah, well, you're seeing the formation of ICE watch groups, people putting out information of where they see ICE vans and operations. And it's not always, you know, to put out this human story that challenges the narrative, but in some cases, simply providing information to their community members to keep them safe, like, this is where ICE is operating, so you can avoid this area. But I think when it comes to the general public and keeping the momentum going, I really just do believe in sharing the reality of what is happening through this human lens. So these videos that show the arrests with everyone that, you know, like I said, I used to be an immigration reporter, and I did straight news, and my job was to tell human stories. And when I did that, when I was only focused on telling human stories, reporting on people who were suffering the consequences of Trump's immigration policies, I could see my reporting making a real difference in the hearts and minds of people who were very different from me. For example, my aunt, who voted for Trump during the first administration and leans conservative, she used to comment on my reports and say, like, I had no idea that Trump was doing this, that he was going to target moms. Like this. This is making me very upset. I don't want this. And then later, when I became a columnist and started doing opinion commentary that was more overtly critical of the administration, she began to dismiss my work as propaganda. And so I do believe that, you know, a lot of the pushback against the administration is rooted in moral outrage and sort of criticism is completely understandable. But I think it's actually a lot less effective than simply showing this, the human stories and showing who is being impacted without commentary, just being like, is this. Is this what you want to be happening in your neighborhoods?
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Alison Gill
Here's the story.
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Dana Goldberg
You.
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Alison Gill
You choose, you decide.
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Jean Guerrero
Exactly.
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Alison Gill
And like I said, I think it's coming more and more to our front doors everywhere. So thank you so much, Jean, for the work that you do. Everybody pick up the book. I know it came out in 2020, but it is. It's like, you could have wr it last week. It's called. It's called Haymonger. You can pick that up wherever books are sold and tell everyone where they can find and follow you and your work.
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Jean Guerrero
Yeah, my website is Jeanne Guerrero.com and I'm on Instagram at Jean Guerre. So it's J J E A N G U E R R E. All.
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Alison Gill
Right, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate you and all the work that you're doing to. To tell these human stories through the lens of lived experience. It's just so important. So thank you.
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Jean Guerrero
Thanks, Allison.
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Alison Gill
All right, everybody, stick around. We'll be right back with the good news. All right, here's something I didn't know until recently. The thing making me sneeze every time I snuggle with my kitties wasn't their fur. It was their saliva that was the problem. Turns out cats are little grooming machines and that spit gets everywhere, leaving allergens behind. On fur furniture, on your clothes, the air. Over a hundred million Americans suffer from allergies every single year. And that's why I use Packagen. This podcast is sponsored by Packaging. Owning a cat doesn't have to mean endless itching and sneezing and watery eyes. Yet almost 20% of people suffer from cat allergies. And three out of four people are not happy with their current allergy solutions. Packagen's Cat Allergen neutralizing spray targets the allergens around your home that trigger your cat allergies. And it breaks them down so you and your family can live and breathe in peace. For 15% off your order and a special gift, head to packagen.com DailyBeans the Cat Allergen neutralizing spray uses a patent pending whisker block protein to neutralize the allergens. There's no masking, it's got no harsh chemicals. It's just science. This stuff works. I sprayed it the night that I got it and I noticed relief within two days. No side effects, no weird smells, just clean air, happy sinuses, and several cats who don't even notice the difference. Obviously, I love that. Packagen was founded by scientists and top universities. Harvard, Princeton. Everything is vet approved and allergist recommended. Plus, they've got a spray for dogs, too, and dust allergens. It's a whole allergen defense system you can trust. And now our home feels like a home again with the cats on the couch. No allergy flare ups in sight. Your pets aren't just pets, they're family. So get the relief you need with packaging. Head to packagen.com dailybeans Use promo code dailybeans at checkout for 15% off your order plus an exclusive gift for listeners at checkout. That's Packagen P A C A G E N dot com DailyBeans for 15% off plus an exclusive gift. Make sure you use my promo code DailyBeans one last time. Packaging.com DailyBeans and promo code DailyBeans. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It's time for the good news. Who likes good news? Everyone? Then good news, everyone. Good news. All right. If you have any good news confessions, corrections, you, I don't know, want to send a hallelujah chorus into us if you want to, I don't know, give a shout out to maybe a small business in your area. By the way, speaking of that, I got my shipment from Toasted Mallow. Dana. Oh, my God.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah. And I'm telling you, so good for all of you that bought from Toasted Mallow, a friend's small business, you know, Latina owned, operated, queer woman. You really changed things for her. I mean, so many of you went and did that. And I'm glad you got your shipment. The s' mores marshmallows are by far my favorite. I love them. I love them. They're addictive.
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Alison Gill
And there's some birthday cake ones and I got like a little moon pie. Oh, my God, they're so good. Thank you. Toasted Mallow. So if you have a small business you want to give a shout out to or you're a small business or a government program that's helped you or a loved one, it can be Medicare, Medicaid, Affordable Care act, snap, wic, maybe some local municipal, state government program that's helped you or a family member, we want to shout out those government programs because when need to, you know, be reminded of their importance now that the Republicans are trying to gut them all. And by the way, the new CBO estimate, $3.4 trillion added to the debt and over 10 million people kicked off health care with this big, ugly bill. So send everything into us. And if you want to get your submission read on the air, you just got to pay your POD pet tariff, which means attach a photo of your pet. We've got three right now. I'm surprised we're back today.
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Dana Goldberg
I really am. We were going to retire. We were going to go buy lottery tickets and call it a day. Let's call it a day.
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Alison Gill
And if you don't have a POD pet, of course you can attach an adoptable pet in your area. If you don't have that. Just grab a photo, a random photo of an animal on the Internet. We love baby animals. And if you don't have that, pictures of your happy place. Picture of a rally you've been to recently or in the past. Maybe somebody's. Maybe somebody's been to like marches in the 60s. And you have photos of that with some great signs. Love to see that stuff. Family photos, baby photos, especially awkward family photos. And of course, bird watching, which can be a bird. Or you and your family and friends flipping the bird to Trump and Musk Properties. Send it all to us@dailybeanspod.com and click on Contact. All right, first, we have a note from Kanai. He's our network director. He says a quick note about Monday's beans. Our usual A editor, Desiree, had the night off. Our backup editor experienced a few technical difficulties. Sorry. And thank you to all of you who suffered through an extremely odd audio experience. And if you missed Monday's beans or only heard the messed up version, please go back and check out those interviews. It's the kind of work on this podcast that I am most proud of and happiest to be a part of. Thank you for that note. Can I and you know, we're people sometimes. Sometimes tech gets the best of us.
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Dana Goldberg
Tech happens. All right, this is from Debbie Pronouns she and her hello Beans Queens. This is a shout out to loved ones. The two of you. Oh, it's early Monday morning. As I write this, I just finished listening to Waj Ali's wonderful interview with AG regarding her Substack Scoop article on the COVID up going on at the FBI and the DOJ regarding Epstein. As we hear on a regular basis, courage is contagious and I am thrilled that you're getting current and former employees of these agencies reaching out to spill the beans. Congratulations. I look forward to your follow up reporting over the course of this week. I also want to say I loved DG's two part Instagram Chef's Kiss rendition of Hallelujah with your lyrics specifically created requesting the release of the Epstein files. Kudos to you both. I shared both widely on my socials. Thank you so much for that. I hope all of it goes viral and you continue to see a spike in your subscriptions as a result. For tariff purposes, I have submitted the sign I made for my Good Trouble Lives on protest last Thursday with help from Michaels for the lettering and the Environmental Defense Fund for the pictures and the stickers of the monarch butterflies made from cut up greeting card stickers and parts of Address labels. I went to two protests in Thornton and Arvada, Colorado. We had hundreds come to both, which is pretty good considering they were from 4 to 6 and 5 to 7pm respectively. I had to leave Thornton early to get to Arvada, and I imagine the numbers grew once people were done with work. If they have nine to fives, of course. Again, thanks to both of you for helping me and countless others navigate the current hellscape we are living through. I know I speak for many listeners when I say your laughter and your swearing means the world to us. Debbie, this is really beautiful.
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Alison Gill
Yeah, this is like art right here. Sorry, I was staring at it.
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, no. Bizarre. This is really beautiful. Thank you for sharing and thank you for amplifying AG substack and my Instagram stuff, my creative projects. I appreciate it. Every share helps both of us out. So you were wonderful.
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Alison Gill
I know it sounds weird too. Like back in the day you used to get jobs and gigs by being good and now it's strictly based on your followers and your reach and your impressions and all this other stuff. So.
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Dana Goldberg
And luckily we are both. We have. We are good and we have reach.
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Alison Gill
Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much. Next up from Sheila F. Pronoun. She and her Good morning. Good Monday morning Beans Queens. Here is some good news from upstate New York. Yesterday, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and our congressman Paul Tonko held a town hall in Plattsburgh, deep into the hapless Elise Stefaniks Congressional district. Ha ha ha ha. As you can see from the local coverage, turnout was big with the both the venue and the street outside packed, if you'll pardon the expression, to the gills. It's so uplifting to see Democrats do smart stuff like this. More, please. For my podpet tariff, I'm submitting an appropriate photo of our hooligan cat, Birdie, who likes to read the newspaper. Thanks for everything you do. For some reason, Sheila the cat, the photo of your cat did not come through. But we do have that link to the town hall information and the story in our show notes from my NBC 5 there and local news station. And always support your local news stations and local newspapers. Thank you so much. And you know I'm super with you about seeing Democrats do smart stuff like this. Please. We have Sarah Jacobs coming to Escondido to sit in for a Darrell Issa empty chair town hall and I'm gonna be hosting that this Sunday. I have that information on my site.
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Jean Guerrero
I love that.
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Dana Goldberg
I'm so proud of you.
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Alison Gill
So it's Truly an honor to be a part of those indivisible events and those local Democratic Party events. And I agree with you, Sheila. Thanks for that information. By the way. I'm gonna check this out.
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Dana Goldberg
All right, this one's from Christina. No pronouns given. Hi, ladies. I'll skip all the beans references and just say that you are both the best at what you do. I listen every morning and I've lost count of the people I you to. As people tell you constantly, you make this, these hideous times more bearable. I'm in my 70s, so therefore I grew up in the 70s. Little did I know after all the protesting we did for women's rights and we would be back here 50 years later. I could go on and on. But my reason for writing is to give a shout out to my son, Sean Delon. Now, when he was leaving the elementary school after for middle school, the head of the very small Quaker school informed me that my son was probably never going to be able to read at an adult level. He was brilliant in math, so he should pursue that. Needless to say, I was pissed. After learning he was dyslexic, I found this wonderful young man who tutored him all summer and somehow got his issue and helped him work out his reading issues. He graduated from school majoring in economics and maths, but hated the financial world. He got into and graduated from Columbia's journalism program. He now works as an editor for Simon and Schuster. This is a fucking great story.
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Alison Gill
Oh, my God.
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Dana Goldberg
My introduction.
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Alison Gill
He works at a publishing editor, right? And the teachers were like, he can't read.
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Dana Goldberg
Yep. Moral of the story, don't ever give up on your kid. I would like to make his day by telling all your brilliant listeners, who I am certain our group who loves to read, to subscribe to his newsletter. It is Dear Head of Mine. Dear Head of Mine, that's brilliant. You can subscribe for free. He writes about authors, old and new, and he gives recommendations, among other things. I personally think it's brilliant, but I might be slightly biased. He recently reached a thousand subscribers and was over the moon. Imagine how great it would be if we could get a thousand or more. It's free to subscribe. And again, his name is Sean Delone. There are so many dyslexic people in this world who are dismissed. He is one example of not giving up on your dreams. Thank you both for all the great things you've done. Too many to mention. You guys rock my pet tax. After losing my two beloved labs, my sons, and my daughter in Laws pushed me to get another dog rescued from the streets of Houston. Six months old, the sweetest cuddle bug ever. She's part Louisiana Kalahula Leopard dog, which is plain to see. And she's actually 14 breeds according to her DNA. Can you guess three others? Answer.
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Alison Gill
Oh, they put the answer right in the thing. Producers, please put the answers down.
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Dana Goldberg
German Shepherd, American Staffordshire Terrier, Pitbull, and Great Pyrenees. These pictures are of my sweet labs, Molly and Misha and our new Magnolia, AKA Maggie May.
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Alison Gill
Maggie May.
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Dana Goldberg
Oh, wow. That a beautiful dog.
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Alison Gill
Oh, so adorable. Oh, man, Maggie Mae is just super sweet. And these labs. Yep, I love Choco Labs by the way. They're beautiful little Choco tacos. They're so cute. All right, next up, Beba, the blue dot in red red Louisiana pronoun she and her. I hope I said all that right. Hi, Beans goddesses. In these troubling times, I want you to know that you are my salvo to the wounds appearing on my very thin skin these days. I think sav. I think I've got a typo here. I live with a Trumplican sycophant, married for 35 years and not ready to leave. We were a blended family and he, as well as two of his three children have managed to alienate my two daughters with their votes. They are hardly ever overt, but they are consumers of right wing media and frequently parrot misinformation. With information on my side, I no longer keep silent and I'm quick to repeat information I learned from you and all of your shows. Yes, I'm an admiring fan of all the MSW podcasts and have frequently used your fact driven reporting to my advantage. I have made a commitment this year to become more involved and get souls to the polls. I never thought at 70 years old I would be protesting again. This is the second person in their 70s who's like, what the fuck are we doing this shit?
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Dana Goldberg
Yeah, fuck this shit.
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Alison Gill
But I make every protest I can. Living in deep Cajun county, in a particularly red, red parish, I remain the bluest ever Dot. I never miss a chance to recommend all of your podcasts. I hope I'm responsible for many of your followers. It's just one more way I can make good trouble. Please give a shout out to my kid who does research in autism. She's losing all of her research funding due to the NIH cuts and is looking to continue it abroad. The brain drain in this country is going to be unreal. Yeah. In addition to the two of you, please extend my thanks To Andy and Harry and especially the handsome John Fugal saying as well as all of your many brilliant guests. Sending you a couple of pictures of my doodles. So much better than Donald's, which helps me relieve anxiety. Look at these. These are cool as.
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Dana Goldberg
These are cool as. What do you mean? Donald doesn't doodle? He's never doodled in his life.
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Alison Gill
I don't write pictures.
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Dana Goldberg
I don't write pictures.
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Alison Gill
I don't write.
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Dana Goldberg
I've never written a picture in my life. I think he says that shit on purpose because he probably has never written a picture. He's drawn a picture. He's just a can't that.
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Alison Gill
He's just stupid, that's all. Yep.
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Dana Goldberg
All right, we are close. No, we're not closing out, but I'm giving you Lynn pronoun. She and her just wanted to report that while walking by Trump Tower this weekend, I saw so many tourists taking their pictures in front of it. Ironically, a lot of them were brown families and I was genuinely confused and alarmed and worried for their safety. I also saw a guy walk by haughtily and flip it the bird. I did the same and didn't get the best pick, but you get the idea.
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Alison Gill
Nice. Yeah. It's hard to focus on the lettering on Trump Tower and your bird at the same time, so. But very well done. All right, last one from Judy. She her I want to do a shout out to the Daily Bird in the river west neighborhood of Milwaukee on Saturday. A pastel group I'm a member of was having an annual plein air picnic in a beautiful local county park. Unfortunately it began to rain buckets so we made lemonade by heading to a coffee shop nearby and creating meeting with our pastels, pencils and pens. I've never been to this place, but the vibe was just right. Check out the first pick which made me think of y'. All. Second pick continues the vibe. The final pick is of me last Thursday contributing to the local good trouble at the no Kings I saw a woman who'd made a sandwich board of her signs and I decided to make a single highly recommended hands free. Thanks for my daily news. Xxoo nice. Tomorrow would be a great day to off. Yes. Effin birds E F F I N birds in is one of the coolest things ever. All right, look at this. The Daily Bird and impeached on the con. The sandwich board is fantastic. It's perfect. Judy, thank you for that. And everybody, thank you so much for your good news input and we'll be back in your ears tomorrow. There'll also be a new episode of cleanup on aisle 45 with Harry Dunn out tomorrow that you'll definitely want to check out. And Dina, do you have any final thoughts before we get out of here today?
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Dana Goldberg
No, we covered it. I appreciate y'.
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Alison Gill
All. All right, we covered it all. We'll see you tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health, and take care of your family. I've been ag. I've been DG and them Sabines. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giant Plants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information, please Visit mswmedia.com.msw media.